Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos are arguing over the moon already. Here's what it all means

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New York (CNN Business)Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk, the two wealthiest people on this planet, both want to be center stage when NASA returns astronauts to the moon. But NASA only has enough money for one...

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koolgal
2021-08-24
koolgal
Round One to Elon Musk??
- John_Chew:
  Moon race.. ??
- koolgal:
  Definitely! Space is infinite but Jeff and Elon are very competitive people. Both are also billionnaires??
- Wayneqq:
  Space is big enough to do a lot of things… jeff bezos can always go do something else such as build big space station or colony ships to go to Mars… no need to fight [Happy]
- shirlyn_lee:
  like like
- koolgal:
  ??
Landis
2021-08-23
Landis
Well said， Elon
滚筒
2021-08-23
滚筒
Maybe one day I will buy a vacation house on Moon. Of cause it has to have Earth view. Then I will rent it out. Profit. YEAH!
- cuteprincess:
  what u mean
- 滚筒:
  Oh. what do u mean they just going to spend 6b to go up there to put up a feel good flag?
  No gold rush?
LixNg
2021-08-23
LixNg
??
KamenR
2021-08-23
KamenR
Roll eyes over this pissing contest.

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