Intel Is Just Getting Started

Seeking Alpha09-18

SummaryIntel plans to establish Intel Foundry as an independent subsidiary, aiming to compete with TSMC and secure external customers with strong U.S. government support.Intel's 5N4Y target focuses on...

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gfoong
09-18
gfoong
These post always trying to control investors direction to their own profit. When I know Lunar Lake, Battlemage, Arrow Lake then 18A combo coming. I expected bad news from these crap media. This is happening so big shark can buy in low. 🙃 Look at the post from them before Lunar Lake release.
King19
09-18
King19
lol... I tot he said intel was a value trap company and I said if buy intel now would easy gain 20%... this guy is full of crap
Lio23
09-18
Lio23
Good company with legacy. I have faith that it will be able to turn around.

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That's essential for the next generation.Intel Financial PerformanceIntel is eking out financial viability as the company continues to struggle through these expensive ramps.Intel Investor PresentationIntel Investor PresentationThe company recently announced its latest set of cost-cutting measures which is tough for morale. The company needs to find a way to cut 15k jobs at the same time as the company is asking and leaning on its employees more than ever to get 18A out the door. It's an incredibly tough spot for the company to be in.The company is at more than $10 billion in annual losses from Intel Foundry despite the almost $20 billion in revenue the company is pulling in. Operating income from its overall business is roughly flat. The company is managing to survive, but there's no secret that the company has dropped almost 60% YTD as its financial picture remains weak.However, our view is that this is the weakest time for the company. The company is receiving subsidies and 18A should start next year. With Intel as a customer as well that could help revenue grow and losses come that substantially. That could also combine with the company's external customers and next generation CPUs along with cost savings.All of that shows Intel's strength.Thesis RiskThe largest risk to our thesis is whether Intel can remain competitive in a market with wealthy customers. Gone are the days where Intel was larger than all of its customers who happily bought its CPUs. Apple realized years ago it was cheaper to move that division in-house. Large customers like Amazon demand lower margins. That's a consistent risk for the company.ConclusionAt the end of the day, when you bet on a company, you're betting on management. In a capital intensive and risky business where most competitors no longer exist, that's even doubly true. Intel's management made a bad call and had some bad luck with the company's 10 nm node, and they've been paying ever since.Pat inherited Intel in the same way John Flannery inherited General Electric in 2017. The company's 5N4Y plan was tough and it's had its hiccups. However, the company is still working to achieve 18A in 2025, and we expect it to be able to achieve that. 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The company made a flurry of announcements, including a multi-billion dollar deal with Amazon AWS, and billions in government support for Secure Enclave. As we&#39;ll see throughout this article, Intel is just getting started.</p><h2 id=\"id_2612380616\" style=\"text-align: left;\">Intel Foundry</h2><p style=\"text-align: left;\">The biggest source of Intel&#39;s issues over the last several years have been the company&#39;s foundry business. Similarly, it has been among the largest source of the company&#39;s focus to improve its business. The company&#39;s announced plan is to:</p><blockquote><p>To build on our progress, we plan to establish Intel Foundry as an independent subsidiary inside of Intel. This governance structure will complete the process we initiated earlier this year when we separated the P&amp;L and financial reporting for Intel Foundry and Intel Products. - Intel Press Release</p></blockquote><p style=\"text-align: left;\">Essentially, the company is planning to separate its business into a separate foundry business that competes with TSMC. Intel has spent roughly $25 billion on the foundry business in each of the last two years, and the company, as the only U.S. based fab company, is receiving strong government support to remain competitive.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">The company has received a number of U.S. government grants, including a recently announced $3 billion Secure Enclave. Additionally, the U.S. government through the Chips Act will be providing Intel with $8.5 billion in subsidies and $11 billion in loans. This support will make it much easier for Intel to once again become competitive.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">More importantly, making Intel Foundry an independent business will enable the business to competitively gain external customers. It&#39;ll enable the company to gain customers who want to focus on the United States. Intel Foundry with an 18A node will be competitive again with TSMC, and it&#39;ll be able to generate revenue.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">On top of all of this, fabs are a relatively concentrated business. TSMC, Intel, and Samsung are the only companies offering it. An example of the new strength of Intel foundry is the company&#39;s recent deal with AWS. As part of this multi-billion deal, Intel will produce an 18A AI custom chip for AWS, and produce a custom AWS chip for Xeon on Intel 3.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">This combination shows the strength of Intel Foundry and how the worst is over.</p><h2 id=\"id_7019636\" style=\"text-align: left;\">Intel 5N4Y</h2><p style=\"text-align: left;\">Intel is focused on its 5N4Y target, which is primarily focused on launching its 18A CPUs in the next year.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/c24a196984eb3283bf32a3171bc504c0\" alt=\"Intel Investor Presentation\" title=\"Intel Investor Presentation\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"234\"/><span>Intel Investor Presentation</span></p><p style=\"text-align: left;\"><strong>Intel Investor Presentation</strong></p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">The essential products for the company are both Panther Lake and Clearwater Forest. These are products that have powered on and booted into operating systems. This was announced in August 2024, which, with our experience, means a late-2025 launch for the product. It&#39;s key for the company to manage to hit this launch date.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">The company is effectively skipping ramping 20A entirely with this move which makes 18A even more make-or-break for the company. Microsoft and the U.S. Department of Defense are part of the 18A node as well, which is essential to the company&#39;s success.</p><h2 id=\"id_3149655616\" style=\"text-align: left;\">Intel Next Generation</h2><p style=\"text-align: left;\">The planned next generation of Intel CPUs, Arrow Lake, has had its specs leaked, with a planned launched (with iGPUs) in the next month or two.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/501e45a26f7e06e20cf9c01ab8afbb45\" alt=\"Tech Power Up\" title=\"Tech Power Up\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"277\"/><span>Tech Power Up</span></p><p style=\"text-align: left;\"><strong>Tech Power Up</strong></p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">The specs are strong with P-cores being able to boost clock to 5.7 GHz and 16 E-cores with 24 total cores. The TDP is expected to be able to reach 250W. These are strong multi-core processors that are expected to be able to achieve double-digit multi-core performance improvements. Most important, they&#39;re only manufactured with partner TSMC.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">Intel, in its separation of the foundry business, now requires the foundry to win over itself. The company has announced products on the 18A node, which require the foundry to operate for Amazon as well. That&#39;s essential for the next generation.</p><h2 id=\"id_2575067204\" style=\"text-align: left;\">Intel Financial Performance</h2><p style=\"text-align: left;\">Intel is eking out financial viability as the company continues to struggle through these expensive ramps.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/376f65ed50c7531975a033eaae2cff32\" alt=\"Intel Investor Presentation\" title=\"Intel Investor Presentation\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"265\"/><span>Intel Investor Presentation</span></p><p style=\"text-align: left;\"><strong>Intel Investor Presentation</strong></p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">The company recently announced its latest set of cost-cutting measures which is tough for morale. The company needs to find a way to cut 15k jobs at the same time as the company is asking and leaning on its employees more than ever to get 18A out the door. It&#39;s an incredibly tough spot for the company to be in.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">The company is at more than $10 billion in annual losses from Intel Foundry despite the almost $20 billion in revenue the company is pulling in. Operating income from its overall business is roughly flat. The company is managing to survive, but there&#39;s no secret that the company has dropped almost 60% YTD as its financial picture remains weak.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">However, our view is that this is the weakest time for the company. The company is receiving subsidies and 18A should start next year. With Intel as a customer as well that could help revenue grow and losses come that substantially. That could also combine with the company&#39;s external customers and next generation CPUs along with cost savings.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">All of that shows Intel&#39;s strength.</p><h2 id=\"id_3568054764\" style=\"text-align: left;\">Thesis Risk</h2><p style=\"text-align: left;\">The largest risk to our thesis is whether Intel can remain competitive in a market with wealthy customers. Gone are the days where Intel was larger than all of its customers who happily bought its CPUs. Apple realized years ago it was cheaper to move that division in-house. Large customers like Amazon demand lower margins. That&#39;s a consistent risk for the company.</p><h2 id=\"id_4153705843\" style=\"text-align: left;\">Conclusion</h2><p style=\"text-align: left;\">At the end of the day, when you bet on a company, you&#39;re betting on management. In a capital intensive and risky business where most competitors no longer exist, that&#39;s even doubly true. Intel&#39;s management made a bad call and had some bad luck with the company&#39;s 10 nm node, and they&#39;ve been paying ever since.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">Pat inherited Intel in the same way John Flannery inherited General Electric in 2017. The company&#39;s 5N4Y plan was tough and it&#39;s had its hiccups. However, the company is still working to achieve 18A in 2025, and we expect it to be able to achieve that. That will enable foundry losses to decline and future shareholder returns.</p></body></html>","source":"seekingalpha","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Intel Is Just Getting Started</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nIntel Is Just Getting Started\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2024-09-18 16:40 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://seekingalpha.com/article/4721615-intel-is-just-getting-started><strong>Seeking Alpha</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>SummaryIntel plans to establish Intel Foundry as an independent subsidiary, aiming to compete with TSMC and secure external customers with strong U.S. government support.Intel's 5N4Y target focuses on...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4721615-intel-is-just-getting-started\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"INTC":"英特尔"},"source_url":"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4721615-intel-is-just-getting-started","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/5a36db9d73b4222bc376d24ccc48c8a4","article_id":"1116711223","content_text":"SummaryIntel plans to establish Intel Foundry as an independent subsidiary, aiming to compete with TSMC and secure external customers with strong U.S. government support.Intel's 5N4Y target focuses on launching 18A CPUs by late 2025, with key products Panther Lake and Clearwater Forest being crucial to success.Next-gen Arrow Lake CPUs are expected soon, boasting strong specs and significant multi-core performance improvements, essential for Intel's competitive edge.Despite financial struggles and job cuts, Intel's future looks promising with subsidies, 18A launch, and potential revenue growth from internal and external customers.Intel, a company we last discussed in early-August as not a value trap, saw >6% returns today and similar returns after-hours. The company made a flurry of announcements, including a multi-billion dollar deal with Amazon AWS, and billions in government support for Secure Enclave. As we'll see throughout this article, Intel is just getting started.Intel FoundryThe biggest source of Intel's issues over the last several years have been the company's foundry business. Similarly, it has been among the largest source of the company's focus to improve its business. The company's announced plan is to:To build on our progress, we plan to establish Intel Foundry as an independent subsidiary inside of Intel. This governance structure will complete the process we initiated earlier this year when we separated the P&L and financial reporting for Intel Foundry and Intel Products. - Intel Press ReleaseEssentially, the company is planning to separate its business into a separate foundry business that competes with TSMC. Intel has spent roughly $25 billion on the foundry business in each of the last two years, and the company, as the only U.S. based fab company, is receiving strong government support to remain competitive.The company has received a number of U.S. government grants, including a recently announced $3 billion Secure Enclave. Additionally, the U.S. government through the Chips Act will be providing Intel with $8.5 billion in subsidies and $11 billion in loans. This support will make it much easier for Intel to once again become competitive.More importantly, making Intel Foundry an independent business will enable the business to competitively gain external customers. It'll enable the company to gain customers who want to focus on the United States. Intel Foundry with an 18A node will be competitive again with TSMC, and it'll be able to generate revenue.On top of all of this, fabs are a relatively concentrated business. TSMC, Intel, and Samsung are the only companies offering it. An example of the new strength of Intel foundry is the company's recent deal with AWS. As part of this multi-billion deal, Intel will produce an 18A AI custom chip for AWS, and produce a custom AWS chip for Xeon on Intel 3.This combination shows the strength of Intel Foundry and how the worst is over.Intel 5N4YIntel is focused on its 5N4Y target, which is primarily focused on launching its 18A CPUs in the next year.Intel Investor PresentationIntel Investor PresentationThe essential products for the company are both Panther Lake and Clearwater Forest. These are products that have powered on and booted into operating systems. This was announced in August 2024, which, with our experience, means a late-2025 launch for the product. It's key for the company to manage to hit this launch date.The company is effectively skipping ramping 20A entirely with this move which makes 18A even more make-or-break for the company. Microsoft and the U.S. Department of Defense are part of the 18A node as well, which is essential to the company's success.Intel Next GenerationThe planned next generation of Intel CPUs, Arrow Lake, has had its specs leaked, with a planned launched (with iGPUs) in the next month or two.Tech Power UpTech Power UpThe specs are strong with P-cores being able to boost clock to 5.7 GHz and 16 E-cores with 24 total cores. The TDP is expected to be able to reach 250W. These are strong multi-core processors that are expected to be able to achieve double-digit multi-core performance improvements. Most important, they're only manufactured with partner TSMC.Intel, in its separation of the foundry business, now requires the foundry to win over itself. The company has announced products on the 18A node, which require the foundry to operate for Amazon as well. That's essential for the next generation.Intel Financial PerformanceIntel is eking out financial viability as the company continues to struggle through these expensive ramps.Intel Investor PresentationIntel Investor PresentationThe company recently announced its latest set of cost-cutting measures which is tough for morale. The company needs to find a way to cut 15k jobs at the same time as the company is asking and leaning on its employees more than ever to get 18A out the door. It's an incredibly tough spot for the company to be in.The company is at more than $10 billion in annual losses from Intel Foundry despite the almost $20 billion in revenue the company is pulling in. Operating income from its overall business is roughly flat. The company is managing to survive, but there's no secret that the company has dropped almost 60% YTD as its financial picture remains weak.However, our view is that this is the weakest time for the company. The company is receiving subsidies and 18A should start next year. With Intel as a customer as well that could help revenue grow and losses come that substantially. That could also combine with the company's external customers and next generation CPUs along with cost savings.All of that shows Intel's strength.Thesis RiskThe largest risk to our thesis is whether Intel can remain competitive in a market with wealthy customers. Gone are the days where Intel was larger than all of its customers who happily bought its CPUs. Apple realized years ago it was cheaper to move that division in-house. Large customers like Amazon demand lower margins. That's a consistent risk for the company.ConclusionAt the end of the day, when you bet on a company, you're betting on management. In a capital intensive and risky business where most competitors no longer exist, that's even doubly true. Intel's management made a bad call and had some bad luck with the company's 10 nm node, and they've been paying ever since.Pat inherited Intel in the same way John Flannery inherited General Electric in 2017. The company's 5N4Y plan was tough and it's had its hiccups. However, the company is still working to achieve 18A in 2025, and we expect it to be able to achieve that. That will enable foundry losses to decline and future shareholder returns.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"tweetType":1,"langContent":"EN"},{"id":350717603758328,"gmtCreate":1726649973629,"gmtModify":1726650176339,"author":{"id":"4088135301967120","authorId":"4088135301967120","name":"King19","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","vip":1,"crmLevel":7,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"authorIdStr":"4088135301967120","idStr":"4088135301967120"},"htmlText":"lol... I tot he said intel was a value trap company and I said if buy intel now would easy gain 20%... this guy is full of crap","listText":"lol... I tot he said intel was a value trap company and I said if buy intel now would easy gain 20%... this guy is full of crap","text":"lol... I tot he said intel was a value trap company and I said if buy intel now would easy gain 20%... this guy is full of crap","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":2,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/350717603758328","repostId":1116711223,"repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"1116711223","pubTimestamp":1726648824,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/1116711223?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2024-09-18 16:40","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Intel Is Just Getting Started","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1116711223","media":"Seeking Alpha","summary":"SummaryIntel plans to establish Intel Foundry as an independent subsidiary, aiming to compete with TSMC and secure external customers with strong U.S. government support.Intel's 5N4Y target focuses on","content":"<html><head></head><body><h2 id=\"id_881606286\" style=\"text-align: left;\">Summary</h2><ul style=\"\"><li><p>Intel plans to establish Intel Foundry as an independent subsidiary, aiming to compete with TSMC and secure external customers with strong U.S. government support.</p></li><li><p>Intel&#39;s 5N4Y target focuses on launching 18A CPUs by late 2025, with key products Panther Lake and Clearwater Forest being crucial to success.</p></li><li><p>Next-gen Arrow Lake CPUs are expected soon, boasting strong specs and significant multi-core performance improvements, essential for Intel&#39;s competitive edge.</p></li><li><p>Despite financial struggles and job cuts, Intel&#39;s future looks promising with subsidies, 18A launch, and potential revenue growth from internal and external customers.</p></li></ul><p><a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/INTC\">Intel</a>, a company we last discussed in early-August as not a value trap, saw &gt;6% returns today and similar returns after-hours. The company made a flurry of announcements, including a multi-billion dollar deal with Amazon AWS, and billions in government support for Secure Enclave. As we&#39;ll see throughout this article, Intel is just getting started.</p><h2 id=\"id_2612380616\" style=\"text-align: left;\">Intel Foundry</h2><p style=\"text-align: left;\">The biggest source of Intel&#39;s issues over the last several years have been the company&#39;s foundry business. Similarly, it has been among the largest source of the company&#39;s focus to improve its business. The company&#39;s announced plan is to:</p><blockquote><p>To build on our progress, we plan to establish Intel Foundry as an independent subsidiary inside of Intel. This governance structure will complete the process we initiated earlier this year when we separated the P&amp;L and financial reporting for Intel Foundry and Intel Products. - Intel Press Release</p></blockquote><p style=\"text-align: left;\">Essentially, the company is planning to separate its business into a separate foundry business that competes with TSMC. Intel has spent roughly $25 billion on the foundry business in each of the last two years, and the company, as the only U.S. based fab company, is receiving strong government support to remain competitive.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">The company has received a number of U.S. government grants, including a recently announced $3 billion Secure Enclave. Additionally, the U.S. government through the Chips Act will be providing Intel with $8.5 billion in subsidies and $11 billion in loans. This support will make it much easier for Intel to once again become competitive.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">More importantly, making Intel Foundry an independent business will enable the business to competitively gain external customers. It&#39;ll enable the company to gain customers who want to focus on the United States. Intel Foundry with an 18A node will be competitive again with TSMC, and it&#39;ll be able to generate revenue.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">On top of all of this, fabs are a relatively concentrated business. TSMC, Intel, and Samsung are the only companies offering it. An example of the new strength of Intel foundry is the company&#39;s recent deal with AWS. As part of this multi-billion deal, Intel will produce an 18A AI custom chip for AWS, and produce a custom AWS chip for Xeon on Intel 3.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">This combination shows the strength of Intel Foundry and how the worst is over.</p><h2 id=\"id_7019636\" style=\"text-align: left;\">Intel 5N4Y</h2><p style=\"text-align: left;\">Intel is focused on its 5N4Y target, which is primarily focused on launching its 18A CPUs in the next year.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/c24a196984eb3283bf32a3171bc504c0\" alt=\"Intel Investor Presentation\" title=\"Intel Investor Presentation\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"234\"/><span>Intel Investor Presentation</span></p><p style=\"text-align: left;\"><strong>Intel Investor Presentation</strong></p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">The essential products for the company are both Panther Lake and Clearwater Forest. These are products that have powered on and booted into operating systems. This was announced in August 2024, which, with our experience, means a late-2025 launch for the product. It&#39;s key for the company to manage to hit this launch date.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">The company is effectively skipping ramping 20A entirely with this move which makes 18A even more make-or-break for the company. Microsoft and the U.S. Department of Defense are part of the 18A node as well, which is essential to the company&#39;s success.</p><h2 id=\"id_3149655616\" style=\"text-align: left;\">Intel Next Generation</h2><p style=\"text-align: left;\">The planned next generation of Intel CPUs, Arrow Lake, has had its specs leaked, with a planned launched (with iGPUs) in the next month or two.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/501e45a26f7e06e20cf9c01ab8afbb45\" alt=\"Tech Power Up\" title=\"Tech Power Up\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"277\"/><span>Tech Power Up</span></p><p style=\"text-align: left;\"><strong>Tech Power Up</strong></p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">The specs are strong with P-cores being able to boost clock to 5.7 GHz and 16 E-cores with 24 total cores. The TDP is expected to be able to reach 250W. These are strong multi-core processors that are expected to be able to achieve double-digit multi-core performance improvements. Most important, they&#39;re only manufactured with partner TSMC.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">Intel, in its separation of the foundry business, now requires the foundry to win over itself. The company has announced products on the 18A node, which require the foundry to operate for Amazon as well. That&#39;s essential for the next generation.</p><h2 id=\"id_2575067204\" style=\"text-align: left;\">Intel Financial Performance</h2><p style=\"text-align: left;\">Intel is eking out financial viability as the company continues to struggle through these expensive ramps.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/376f65ed50c7531975a033eaae2cff32\" alt=\"Intel Investor Presentation\" title=\"Intel Investor Presentation\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"265\"/><span>Intel Investor Presentation</span></p><p style=\"text-align: left;\"><strong>Intel Investor Presentation</strong></p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">The company recently announced its latest set of cost-cutting measures which is tough for morale. The company needs to find a way to cut 15k jobs at the same time as the company is asking and leaning on its employees more than ever to get 18A out the door. It&#39;s an incredibly tough spot for the company to be in.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">The company is at more than $10 billion in annual losses from Intel Foundry despite the almost $20 billion in revenue the company is pulling in. Operating income from its overall business is roughly flat. The company is managing to survive, but there&#39;s no secret that the company has dropped almost 60% YTD as its financial picture remains weak.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">However, our view is that this is the weakest time for the company. The company is receiving subsidies and 18A should start next year. With Intel as a customer as well that could help revenue grow and losses come that substantially. That could also combine with the company&#39;s external customers and next generation CPUs along with cost savings.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">All of that shows Intel&#39;s strength.</p><h2 id=\"id_3568054764\" style=\"text-align: left;\">Thesis Risk</h2><p style=\"text-align: left;\">The largest risk to our thesis is whether Intel can remain competitive in a market with wealthy customers. Gone are the days where Intel was larger than all of its customers who happily bought its CPUs. Apple realized years ago it was cheaper to move that division in-house. Large customers like Amazon demand lower margins. That&#39;s a consistent risk for the company.</p><h2 id=\"id_4153705843\" style=\"text-align: left;\">Conclusion</h2><p style=\"text-align: left;\">At the end of the day, when you bet on a company, you&#39;re betting on management. In a capital intensive and risky business where most competitors no longer exist, that&#39;s even doubly true. Intel&#39;s management made a bad call and had some bad luck with the company&#39;s 10 nm node, and they&#39;ve been paying ever since.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">Pat inherited Intel in the same way John Flannery inherited General Electric in 2017. The company&#39;s 5N4Y plan was tough and it&#39;s had its hiccups. However, the company is still working to achieve 18A in 2025, and we expect it to be able to achieve that. That will enable foundry losses to decline and future shareholder returns.</p></body></html>","source":"seekingalpha","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Intel Is Just Getting Started</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nIntel Is Just Getting Started\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2024-09-18 16:40 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://seekingalpha.com/article/4721615-intel-is-just-getting-started><strong>Seeking Alpha</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>SummaryIntel plans to establish Intel Foundry as an independent subsidiary, aiming to compete with TSMC and secure external customers with strong U.S. government support.Intel's 5N4Y target focuses on...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4721615-intel-is-just-getting-started\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"INTC":"英特尔"},"source_url":"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4721615-intel-is-just-getting-started","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/5a36db9d73b4222bc376d24ccc48c8a4","article_id":"1116711223","content_text":"SummaryIntel plans to establish Intel Foundry as an independent subsidiary, aiming to compete with TSMC and secure external customers with strong U.S. government support.Intel's 5N4Y target focuses on launching 18A CPUs by late 2025, with key products Panther Lake and Clearwater Forest being crucial to success.Next-gen Arrow Lake CPUs are expected soon, boasting strong specs and significant multi-core performance improvements, essential for Intel's competitive edge.Despite financial struggles and job cuts, Intel's future looks promising with subsidies, 18A launch, and potential revenue growth from internal and external customers.Intel, a company we last discussed in early-August as not a value trap, saw >6% returns today and similar returns after-hours. The company made a flurry of announcements, including a multi-billion dollar deal with Amazon AWS, and billions in government support for Secure Enclave. As we'll see throughout this article, Intel is just getting started.Intel FoundryThe biggest source of Intel's issues over the last several years have been the company's foundry business. Similarly, it has been among the largest source of the company's focus to improve its business. The company's announced plan is to:To build on our progress, we plan to establish Intel Foundry as an independent subsidiary inside of Intel. This governance structure will complete the process we initiated earlier this year when we separated the P&L and financial reporting for Intel Foundry and Intel Products. - Intel Press ReleaseEssentially, the company is planning to separate its business into a separate foundry business that competes with TSMC. Intel has spent roughly $25 billion on the foundry business in each of the last two years, and the company, as the only U.S. based fab company, is receiving strong government support to remain competitive.The company has received a number of U.S. government grants, including a recently announced $3 billion Secure Enclave. Additionally, the U.S. government through the Chips Act will be providing Intel with $8.5 billion in subsidies and $11 billion in loans. This support will make it much easier for Intel to once again become competitive.More importantly, making Intel Foundry an independent business will enable the business to competitively gain external customers. It'll enable the company to gain customers who want to focus on the United States. Intel Foundry with an 18A node will be competitive again with TSMC, and it'll be able to generate revenue.On top of all of this, fabs are a relatively concentrated business. TSMC, Intel, and Samsung are the only companies offering it. An example of the new strength of Intel foundry is the company's recent deal with AWS. As part of this multi-billion deal, Intel will produce an 18A AI custom chip for AWS, and produce a custom AWS chip for Xeon on Intel 3.This combination shows the strength of Intel Foundry and how the worst is over.Intel 5N4YIntel is focused on its 5N4Y target, which is primarily focused on launching its 18A CPUs in the next year.Intel Investor PresentationIntel Investor PresentationThe essential products for the company are both Panther Lake and Clearwater Forest. These are products that have powered on and booted into operating systems. This was announced in August 2024, which, with our experience, means a late-2025 launch for the product. It's key for the company to manage to hit this launch date.The company is effectively skipping ramping 20A entirely with this move which makes 18A even more make-or-break for the company. Microsoft and the U.S. Department of Defense are part of the 18A node as well, which is essential to the company's success.Intel Next GenerationThe planned next generation of Intel CPUs, Arrow Lake, has had its specs leaked, with a planned launched (with iGPUs) in the next month or two.Tech Power UpTech Power UpThe specs are strong with P-cores being able to boost clock to 5.7 GHz and 16 E-cores with 24 total cores. The TDP is expected to be able to reach 250W. These are strong multi-core processors that are expected to be able to achieve double-digit multi-core performance improvements. Most important, they're only manufactured with partner TSMC.Intel, in its separation of the foundry business, now requires the foundry to win over itself. The company has announced products on the 18A node, which require the foundry to operate for Amazon as well. That's essential for the next generation.Intel Financial PerformanceIntel is eking out financial viability as the company continues to struggle through these expensive ramps.Intel Investor PresentationIntel Investor PresentationThe company recently announced its latest set of cost-cutting measures which is tough for morale. The company needs to find a way to cut 15k jobs at the same time as the company is asking and leaning on its employees more than ever to get 18A out the door. It's an incredibly tough spot for the company to be in.The company is at more than $10 billion in annual losses from Intel Foundry despite the almost $20 billion in revenue the company is pulling in. Operating income from its overall business is roughly flat. The company is managing to survive, but there's no secret that the company has dropped almost 60% YTD as its financial picture remains weak.However, our view is that this is the weakest time for the company. The company is receiving subsidies and 18A should start next year. With Intel as a customer as well that could help revenue grow and losses come that substantially. That could also combine with the company's external customers and next generation CPUs along with cost savings.All of that shows Intel's strength.Thesis RiskThe largest risk to our thesis is whether Intel can remain competitive in a market with wealthy customers. Gone are the days where Intel was larger than all of its customers who happily bought its CPUs. Apple realized years ago it was cheaper to move that division in-house. Large customers like Amazon demand lower margins. That's a consistent risk for the company.ConclusionAt the end of the day, when you bet on a company, you're betting on management. In a capital intensive and risky business where most competitors no longer exist, that's even doubly true. Intel's management made a bad call and had some bad luck with the company's 10 nm node, and they've been paying ever since.Pat inherited Intel in the same way John Flannery inherited General Electric in 2017. The company's 5N4Y plan was tough and it's had its hiccups. However, the company is still working to achieve 18A in 2025, and we expect it to be able to achieve that. That will enable foundry losses to decline and future shareholder returns.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"tweetType":1,"langContent":"EN"},{"id":350715147055256,"gmtCreate":1726649287570,"gmtModify":1726649292127,"author":{"id":"3576111671550713","authorId":"3576111671550713","name":"Lio23","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/b6135851ddbd7ec6027deecfbe758d41","vip":1,"crmLevel":9,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"authorIdStr":"3576111671550713","idStr":"3576111671550713"},"htmlText":"Good company with legacy. 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I have faith that it will be able to turn around.","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":1,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/350715147055256","repostId":1116711223,"repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"1116711223","pubTimestamp":1726648824,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/1116711223?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2024-09-18 16:40","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Intel Is Just Getting Started","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1116711223","media":"Seeking Alpha","summary":"SummaryIntel plans to establish Intel Foundry as an independent subsidiary, aiming to compete with TSMC and secure external customers with strong U.S. government support.Intel's 5N4Y target focuses on","content":"<html><head></head><body><h2 id=\"id_881606286\" style=\"text-align: left;\">Summary</h2><ul style=\"\"><li><p>Intel plans to establish Intel Foundry as an independent subsidiary, aiming to compete with TSMC and secure external customers with strong U.S. government support.</p></li><li><p>Intel&#39;s 5N4Y target focuses on launching 18A CPUs by late 2025, with key products Panther Lake and Clearwater Forest being crucial to success.</p></li><li><p>Next-gen Arrow Lake CPUs are expected soon, boasting strong specs and significant multi-core performance improvements, essential for Intel&#39;s competitive edge.</p></li><li><p>Despite financial struggles and job cuts, Intel&#39;s future looks promising with subsidies, 18A launch, and potential revenue growth from internal and external customers.</p></li></ul><p><a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/INTC\">Intel</a>, a company we last discussed in early-August as not a value trap, saw &gt;6% returns today and similar returns after-hours. The company made a flurry of announcements, including a multi-billion dollar deal with Amazon AWS, and billions in government support for Secure Enclave. As we&#39;ll see throughout this article, Intel is just getting started.</p><h2 id=\"id_2612380616\" style=\"text-align: left;\">Intel Foundry</h2><p style=\"text-align: left;\">The biggest source of Intel&#39;s issues over the last several years have been the company&#39;s foundry business. Similarly, it has been among the largest source of the company&#39;s focus to improve its business. The company&#39;s announced plan is to:</p><blockquote><p>To build on our progress, we plan to establish Intel Foundry as an independent subsidiary inside of Intel. This governance structure will complete the process we initiated earlier this year when we separated the P&amp;L and financial reporting for Intel Foundry and Intel Products. - Intel Press Release</p></blockquote><p style=\"text-align: left;\">Essentially, the company is planning to separate its business into a separate foundry business that competes with TSMC. Intel has spent roughly $25 billion on the foundry business in each of the last two years, and the company, as the only U.S. based fab company, is receiving strong government support to remain competitive.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">The company has received a number of U.S. government grants, including a recently announced $3 billion Secure Enclave. Additionally, the U.S. government through the Chips Act will be providing Intel with $8.5 billion in subsidies and $11 billion in loans. This support will make it much easier for Intel to once again become competitive.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">More importantly, making Intel Foundry an independent business will enable the business to competitively gain external customers. It&#39;ll enable the company to gain customers who want to focus on the United States. Intel Foundry with an 18A node will be competitive again with TSMC, and it&#39;ll be able to generate revenue.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">On top of all of this, fabs are a relatively concentrated business. TSMC, Intel, and Samsung are the only companies offering it. An example of the new strength of Intel foundry is the company&#39;s recent deal with AWS. As part of this multi-billion deal, Intel will produce an 18A AI custom chip for AWS, and produce a custom AWS chip for Xeon on Intel 3.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">This combination shows the strength of Intel Foundry and how the worst is over.</p><h2 id=\"id_7019636\" style=\"text-align: left;\">Intel 5N4Y</h2><p style=\"text-align: left;\">Intel is focused on its 5N4Y target, which is primarily focused on launching its 18A CPUs in the next year.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/c24a196984eb3283bf32a3171bc504c0\" alt=\"Intel Investor Presentation\" title=\"Intel Investor Presentation\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"234\"/><span>Intel Investor Presentation</span></p><p style=\"text-align: left;\"><strong>Intel Investor Presentation</strong></p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">The essential products for the company are both Panther Lake and Clearwater Forest. These are products that have powered on and booted into operating systems. This was announced in August 2024, which, with our experience, means a late-2025 launch for the product. It&#39;s key for the company to manage to hit this launch date.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">The company is effectively skipping ramping 20A entirely with this move which makes 18A even more make-or-break for the company. Microsoft and the U.S. Department of Defense are part of the 18A node as well, which is essential to the company&#39;s success.</p><h2 id=\"id_3149655616\" style=\"text-align: left;\">Intel Next Generation</h2><p style=\"text-align: left;\">The planned next generation of Intel CPUs, Arrow Lake, has had its specs leaked, with a planned launched (with iGPUs) in the next month or two.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/501e45a26f7e06e20cf9c01ab8afbb45\" alt=\"Tech Power Up\" title=\"Tech Power Up\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"277\"/><span>Tech Power Up</span></p><p style=\"text-align: left;\"><strong>Tech Power Up</strong></p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">The specs are strong with P-cores being able to boost clock to 5.7 GHz and 16 E-cores with 24 total cores. The TDP is expected to be able to reach 250W. These are strong multi-core processors that are expected to be able to achieve double-digit multi-core performance improvements. Most important, they&#39;re only manufactured with partner TSMC.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">Intel, in its separation of the foundry business, now requires the foundry to win over itself. The company has announced products on the 18A node, which require the foundry to operate for Amazon as well. That&#39;s essential for the next generation.</p><h2 id=\"id_2575067204\" style=\"text-align: left;\">Intel Financial Performance</h2><p style=\"text-align: left;\">Intel is eking out financial viability as the company continues to struggle through these expensive ramps.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/376f65ed50c7531975a033eaae2cff32\" alt=\"Intel Investor Presentation\" title=\"Intel Investor Presentation\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"265\"/><span>Intel Investor Presentation</span></p><p style=\"text-align: left;\"><strong>Intel Investor Presentation</strong></p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">The company recently announced its latest set of cost-cutting measures which is tough for morale. The company needs to find a way to cut 15k jobs at the same time as the company is asking and leaning on its employees more than ever to get 18A out the door. It&#39;s an incredibly tough spot for the company to be in.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">The company is at more than $10 billion in annual losses from Intel Foundry despite the almost $20 billion in revenue the company is pulling in. Operating income from its overall business is roughly flat. The company is managing to survive, but there&#39;s no secret that the company has dropped almost 60% YTD as its financial picture remains weak.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">However, our view is that this is the weakest time for the company. The company is receiving subsidies and 18A should start next year. With Intel as a customer as well that could help revenue grow and losses come that substantially. That could also combine with the company&#39;s external customers and next generation CPUs along with cost savings.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">All of that shows Intel&#39;s strength.</p><h2 id=\"id_3568054764\" style=\"text-align: left;\">Thesis Risk</h2><p style=\"text-align: left;\">The largest risk to our thesis is whether Intel can remain competitive in a market with wealthy customers. Gone are the days where Intel was larger than all of its customers who happily bought its CPUs. Apple realized years ago it was cheaper to move that division in-house. Large customers like Amazon demand lower margins. That&#39;s a consistent risk for the company.</p><h2 id=\"id_4153705843\" style=\"text-align: left;\">Conclusion</h2><p style=\"text-align: left;\">At the end of the day, when you bet on a company, you&#39;re betting on management. In a capital intensive and risky business where most competitors no longer exist, that&#39;s even doubly true. Intel&#39;s management made a bad call and had some bad luck with the company&#39;s 10 nm node, and they&#39;ve been paying ever since.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">Pat inherited Intel in the same way John Flannery inherited General Electric in 2017. The company&#39;s 5N4Y plan was tough and it&#39;s had its hiccups. However, the company is still working to achieve 18A in 2025, and we expect it to be able to achieve that. 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The company made a flurry of announcements, including a multi-billion dollar deal with Amazon AWS, and billions in government support for Secure Enclave. As we'll see throughout this article, Intel is just getting started.Intel FoundryThe biggest source of Intel's issues over the last several years have been the company's foundry business. Similarly, it has been among the largest source of the company's focus to improve its business. The company's announced plan is to:To build on our progress, we plan to establish Intel Foundry as an independent subsidiary inside of Intel. This governance structure will complete the process we initiated earlier this year when we separated the P&L and financial reporting for Intel Foundry and Intel Products. - Intel Press ReleaseEssentially, the company is planning to separate its business into a separate foundry business that competes with TSMC. Intel has spent roughly $25 billion on the foundry business in each of the last two years, and the company, as the only U.S. based fab company, is receiving strong government support to remain competitive.The company has received a number of U.S. government grants, including a recently announced $3 billion Secure Enclave. Additionally, the U.S. government through the Chips Act will be providing Intel with $8.5 billion in subsidies and $11 billion in loans. This support will make it much easier for Intel to once again become competitive.More importantly, making Intel Foundry an independent business will enable the business to competitively gain external customers. It'll enable the company to gain customers who want to focus on the United States. Intel Foundry with an 18A node will be competitive again with TSMC, and it'll be able to generate revenue.On top of all of this, fabs are a relatively concentrated business. TSMC, Intel, and Samsung are the only companies offering it. An example of the new strength of Intel foundry is the company's recent deal with AWS. As part of this multi-billion deal, Intel will produce an 18A AI custom chip for AWS, and produce a custom AWS chip for Xeon on Intel 3.This combination shows the strength of Intel Foundry and how the worst is over.Intel 5N4YIntel is focused on its 5N4Y target, which is primarily focused on launching its 18A CPUs in the next year.Intel Investor PresentationIntel Investor PresentationThe essential products for the company are both Panther Lake and Clearwater Forest. These are products that have powered on and booted into operating systems. This was announced in August 2024, which, with our experience, means a late-2025 launch for the product. It's key for the company to manage to hit this launch date.The company is effectively skipping ramping 20A entirely with this move which makes 18A even more make-or-break for the company. Microsoft and the U.S. Department of Defense are part of the 18A node as well, which is essential to the company's success.Intel Next GenerationThe planned next generation of Intel CPUs, Arrow Lake, has had its specs leaked, with a planned launched (with iGPUs) in the next month or two.Tech Power UpTech Power UpThe specs are strong with P-cores being able to boost clock to 5.7 GHz and 16 E-cores with 24 total cores. The TDP is expected to be able to reach 250W. These are strong multi-core processors that are expected to be able to achieve double-digit multi-core performance improvements. Most important, they're only manufactured with partner TSMC.Intel, in its separation of the foundry business, now requires the foundry to win over itself. The company has announced products on the 18A node, which require the foundry to operate for Amazon as well. That's essential for the next generation.Intel Financial PerformanceIntel is eking out financial viability as the company continues to struggle through these expensive ramps.Intel Investor PresentationIntel Investor PresentationThe company recently announced its latest set of cost-cutting measures which is tough for morale. The company needs to find a way to cut 15k jobs at the same time as the company is asking and leaning on its employees more than ever to get 18A out the door. It's an incredibly tough spot for the company to be in.The company is at more than $10 billion in annual losses from Intel Foundry despite the almost $20 billion in revenue the company is pulling in. Operating income from its overall business is roughly flat. The company is managing to survive, but there's no secret that the company has dropped almost 60% YTD as its financial picture remains weak.However, our view is that this is the weakest time for the company. The company is receiving subsidies and 18A should start next year. With Intel as a customer as well that could help revenue grow and losses come that substantially. That could also combine with the company's external customers and next generation CPUs along with cost savings.All of that shows Intel's strength.Thesis RiskThe largest risk to our thesis is whether Intel can remain competitive in a market with wealthy customers. Gone are the days where Intel was larger than all of its customers who happily bought its CPUs. Apple realized years ago it was cheaper to move that division in-house. Large customers like Amazon demand lower margins. That's a consistent risk for the company.ConclusionAt the end of the day, when you bet on a company, you're betting on management. In a capital intensive and risky business where most competitors no longer exist, that's even doubly true. Intel's management made a bad call and had some bad luck with the company's 10 nm node, and they've been paying ever since.Pat inherited Intel in the same way John Flannery inherited General Electric in 2017. The company's 5N4Y plan was tough and it's had its hiccups. However, the company is still working to achieve 18A in 2025, and we expect it to be able to achieve that. 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