The 2022 Bear Market Cycle May Be Far From Over

Seeking Alpha2022-10-10

SummaryThe bear markets of 1937, 2000, and 2008 suggest a short-term bottom may be found in October.However, that doesn't mean it will be the bottom.Whether the market bottoms or not will depend on ...

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The earnings yield is simply the inverse of the PE ratio, which means the current PE ratio is 16.2 and would need to fall to 15.4 or 14.7 to bring the S&P 500 back to a historically average fair value.With the earnings estimates for 2022 currently tracking at $224.73, it would value the S&P 500 in a range of 3,460 to 3,300. That would equal a further decline in the index of around 5% to 9%.BloombergWhat will tell us when this bear market is over is more likely to be interest rates and the dollar index, as these will likely provide a much better signal than other metrics. Because if rates continue to rise, the S&P 500 will need to continue to decline with the pace of rates risings.Rate Cuts?Typically, the 10-year minus the 2-year spread tells us when the Fed is about to start cutting rates. It is at the point where the spread begins to rise that tends to serve as the best reference for the end of a rate-hiking cycle and the start of a rate-cutting cycle.BloombergAs the market anticipates Fed rate cuts, the 2-Year yield begins to fall back to the 10-Year. It is the opposite, with the 10-2 year spread just recently making a new low in September and showing very little if no signs of turning higher.BloombergMeanwhile, the best way to determine when the 10-2 Year spread may begin to rise is by looking at the unemployment rate because that tends to be a very good predictor of where yields are heading. Typically, when the unemployment starts to run higher, it indicates that the 10-2 year spread will widen, suggesting a rate cut cycle is near.BloombergIn this case, Friday's job report showed the unemployment rate fell to 3.5% from 3.7% last month and back to its July lows. That leaves the spread between the ten and 2-year Treasury nowhere close to putting in a bottom, and means the Fed is probably nowhere close to finishing its rate hiking cycle.If the Fed is nowhere close to finishing its rate hiking cycle, then rates probably aren't finished rising. 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