Uber and Lyft are staging a ridiculous race for fake profits

MarketWatch2021-08-06

Lyft finally showed positive adjusted Ebitda in the second quarter, while Uber promises it by the end of the year, but none of it is worth cheering as companies continue to run businesses with little ...

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Anjerin
2021-08-06
Anjerin
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2021-08-06
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2021-08-06
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Please like
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2021-08-06
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Pls like. Thanks
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2021-08-06
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Omg
- 88huat:
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2021-08-06
KeenLee
Very disappointing

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