Dan Loeb Surrendered But Meme Army Still Hits Bears for Millions

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Tupperware, Nikola, Yellow rallies hit bearish investorsFundamentals take back seat to options and Reddit, Loeb saysDan Loeb is hardly the first Wall Street titan to lament how meme stock traders have...

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Sunshinekim
2023-08-07
Sunshinekim
Exactly my views. Fundamentals will attest to the stocks worth investing in.
Sunshinekim
2023-08-07
Sunshinekim
Stay at least a pole away!
Guavaxf30
2023-08-07
Guavaxf30
All three of these stocks are prime ripe for a total collapse. The meme crowd always gets played out by the bug boys.
Cedric77
2023-08-07
Cedric77
It is difficult to say for sure what the next meme stocks will be, as the meme stock market is very volatile and unpredictable. However, some stocks that are currently being discussed on social media as potential meme stocks include: Blink Charging (BLNK): This electric vehicle charging company has seen its share price surge in recent months, and it is possible that it could continue to be a target for meme investors. Marathon Digital (MARA): This cryptocurrency mining company has also seen its share price rise sharply, and it could be another potential target for meme investors. GitLab (GTLB): This software development platform is another stock that is being discussed on social media as a potential meme stock. Dave & Buster's Entertainment (PLAY): This restaurant and entertainment cha
yobobs
2023-08-07
yobobs
oh dear

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Those sudden pops can leave money managers with short positions exposed to big losses.“The ability to have your price whipped around you, on the long or short side, is like never before,” says Peter Atwater, an adjunct professor of economics at William & Mary. “The speed at which the crowd can assemble, target and move is unprecedented.”The latest barrage from the Reddit crowd only adds to the peril for short sellers, a group of investors that often comes under fire for taking negative stances on companies. The U.S. Justice Department launched a criminal probe into short selling by hedge funds and research firms with both the Securities and Exchange Commission and Justice Department going after hedge funds for running “short and distort” campaigns.Distressed drugstore chain operator Rite Aid Corp. seemed to capture the attention of meme traders on Wednesday, spiking as much as 68% when a record 57 million shares changed hands. The company attempted to attract the meme spotlight last year, setting up a virutal event in an effort to appeal to the amateur crowd.Short selling has always come with the threat that the bearish thesis won’t pan out or will take longer to play out than an investor can afford to wait. It’s only in the past two years that the threat of getting squeezed by an internet mob has emerged. For Loeb, that’s more than enough to signal a permanent change in the landscape.“The short selling environment is much more challenging than it has been historically,” he wrote. 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Fundamentals will attest to the stocks worth investing in.","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/206297371762888","repostId":1136225576,"repostType":2,"isVote":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"tweetType":1,"langContent":"EN"},{"id":206295844258032,"gmtCreate":1691374614947,"gmtModify":1691374618401,"author":{"id":"4108879863251380","authorId":"4108879863251380","name":"Sunshinekim","avatar":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/4aa06f704f2b302b4af731a1567add49","vip":1,"hat":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/a3dee1aa3a3a3c1814833a4d3f8a5669","crmLevel":6,"crmLevelSwitch":1,"idStr":"4108879863251380","authorIdStr":"4108879863251380"},"htmlText":"Stay at least a pole away!&nbsp;","listText":"Stay at least a pole away!&nbsp;","text":"Stay at least a pole away!","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/206295844258032","repostId":1136225576,"repostType":2,"isVote":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"tweetType":1,"langContent":"EN"},{"id":206264142786768,"gmtCreate":1691366831853,"gmtModify":1691366836084,"author":{"id":"3576140222331577","authorId":"3576140222331577","name":"Guavaxf30","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/1ff15ff6aa254c9130f9af922f7e2447","vip":1,"crmLevel":9,"crmLevelSwitch":1,"idStr":"3576140222331577","authorIdStr":"3576140222331577"},"htmlText":"All three of these stocks are prime ripe for a total collapse. The meme crowd always gets played out by the bug boys.","listText":"All three of these stocks are prime ripe for a total collapse. The meme crowd always gets played out by the bug boys.","text":"All three of these stocks are prime ripe for a total collapse. The meme crowd always gets played out by the bug boys.","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":3,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/206264142786768","repostId":1136225576,"repostType":2,"isVote":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"tweetType":1,"langContent":"EN"},{"id":206260506124440,"gmtCreate":1691366106556,"gmtModify":1691371971140,"author":{"id":"3575196385895354","authorId":"3575196385895354","name":"Cedric77","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/e5ee082b05004f20d3486afedee30814","vip":1,"crmLevel":4,"crmLevelSwitch":1,"idStr":"3575196385895354","authorIdStr":"3575196385895354"},"htmlText":"It is difficult to say for sure what the next meme stocks will be, as the meme stock market is very volatile and unpredictable. However, some stocks that are currently being discussed on social media as potential meme stocks include: Blink Charging (BLNK): This electric vehicle charging company has seen its share price surge in recent months, and it is possible that it could continue to be a target for meme investors. Marathon Digital (MARA): This cryptocurrency mining company has also seen its share price rise sharply, and it could be another potential target for meme investors. GitLab (GTLB): This software development platform is another stock that is being discussed on social media as a potential meme stock. Dave &amp; Buster's Entertainment (PLAY): This restaurant and entertainment cha","listText":"It is difficult to say for sure what the next meme stocks will be, as the meme stock market is very volatile and unpredictable. However, some stocks that are currently being discussed on social media as potential meme stocks include: Blink Charging (BLNK): This electric vehicle charging company has seen its share price surge in recent months, and it is possible that it could continue to be a target for meme investors. Marathon Digital (MARA): This cryptocurrency mining company has also seen its share price rise sharply, and it could be another potential target for meme investors. GitLab (GTLB): This software development platform is another stock that is being discussed on social media as a potential meme stock. Dave &amp; Buster's Entertainment (PLAY): This restaurant and entertainment cha","text":"It is difficult to say for sure what the next meme stocks will be, as the meme stock market is very volatile and unpredictable. However, some stocks that are currently being discussed on social media as potential meme stocks include: Blink Charging (BLNK): This electric vehicle charging company has seen its share price surge in recent months, and it is possible that it could continue to be a target for meme investors. Marathon Digital (MARA): This cryptocurrency mining company has also seen its share price rise sharply, and it could be another potential target for meme investors. GitLab (GTLB): This software development platform is another stock that is being discussed on social media as a potential meme stock. 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