Speak No Evil of the S&P 500’s Neverending Records

The Wall Street Journal2021-09-03

Investors buying stocks no matter what shouldn’t fool themselves that the future will deliver the chunky returns of the past decade. The S&P 500 is like the three wise monkeys: See no evil, hear no ...

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NoPainNoGain
2021-09-06
NoPainNoGain
Correction coming?
Rashamon96
2021-09-06
Rashamon96
Tina, Up,up,up….
JoelLee
2021-09-06
JoelLee
Reply and comment pls thx
- JeremyKok:
  hi. please like and comment back. thank you.
Deonc
2021-09-06
Deonc
S&P 500 has been increased 24% YTD. Please like and comment.
- Deonc:
  ??
- Chris1368:
  [Wow][Wow][Wow][Wow]
- Huathk:
  Gd
Wallstrtbets
2021-09-06
Wallstrtbets
Speechless.
mikeong
2021-09-06
mikeong
Thanks

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If companies match analyst profit forecasts, future returns should be about 4%—only slightly higher than was suggested by the measure at the height of the dot-com bubble in 2000. If corporate earnings miss forecasts, future returns could be substantially lower. If valuations fall too, returns are doubly hit, as they were after the dot-com bubble burst, when returns ended up negative for years.\nQuantifying risks is much harder. Inflation risk is higher than before, and so are political (tax and regulation) and geopolitical (trade and supply chain) threats to stocks. The risk that analysts have horribly overestimated earnings or companies are massively overstating earnings is at least as high as usual. Central banks are sure to try to help if stocks plunge, but can’t use the traditional support of rate cuts. Alternative tools such as negative rates and buying a wider range of assets are available, but their risks are less well understood.\nGetting a lower reward for the same or higher risk may still be acceptable, given how expensive the safer alternatives are. 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