The End of Tesla’s Dominance May Be Closer Than It Appears

Bloomberg2021-03-24

Elon Musk’s upstart still rules, but traditional automakers are catching up fast. He doesn’t date a synth-pop star, publicly puff on blunts, or profess to want to die on Mars, but Herbert Diess is ...

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Allofatso
2021-03-25
Allofatso
My take is Tesla don't make much from sales of their cars but more on subsidies given by governments. Most importantly, they sell direct without agents making price more attractive to buyers, can VW move in this direction worldwide? I doubt do
Minr5
2021-03-24
Minr5
[驚訝] [驚訝] [驚訝]
真的钻石手
2021-03-24
真的钻石手
End your head, it’s competitors are few thousand miles behind ???
KL123
2021-03-24
KL123
Wow
- alexteoh90:
  comment me
KTWM
2021-03-24
KTWM
This article is a joke. How is scaling 27 vehicles to mass production faster than just a couple? Comparing video streaming to car subscription is another total opposite. Market in EU for tsla is still the beginning as the giga Berlin is not up yet to compete on a fair ground with VW.
Assassin008
2021-03-24
Assassin008
Tesla is so much more than just EV. Their energybusiness and SpaceX will worth so much more in future
- Tuxn:
  energy biz and spaceX not directly under Tesla right

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How is scaling 27 vehicles to mass production faster than just a couple? Comparing video streaming to car subscription is another&nbsp;total opposite. Market in EU for tsla is still the beginning as the giga Berlin is not up yet to compete on a fair ground with VW.&nbsp;","listText":"This article is a joke. How is scaling 27 vehicles to mass production faster than just a couple? Comparing video streaming to car subscription is another&nbsp;total opposite. Market in EU for tsla is still the beginning as the giga Berlin is not up yet to compete on a fair ground with VW.&nbsp;","text":"This article is a joke. How is scaling 27 vehicles to mass production faster than just a couple? Comparing video streaming to car subscription is another total opposite. Market in EU for tsla is still the beginning as the giga Berlin is not up yet to compete on a fair ground with VW.","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/351889540","repostId":1178385748,"repostType":4,"isVote":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"tweetType":1,"langContent":"EN"},{"id":351814638,"gmtCreate":1616583952724,"gmtModify":1704795975367,"author":{"id":"3577941402391013","authorId":"3577941402391013","name":"Assassin008","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/c5e965d5831434de6e47ab643e2a8812","vip":1,"crmLevel":8,"crmLevelSwitch":1,"authorIdStr":"3577941402391013","idStr":"3577941402391013"},"htmlText":"Tesla is so much more than just EV. Their energybusiness and SpaceX will worth so much more in future","listText":"Tesla is so much more than just EV. Their energybusiness and SpaceX will worth so much more in future","text":"Tesla is so much more than just EV. Their energybusiness and SpaceX will worth so much more in future","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":1,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/351814638","repostId":1178385748,"repostType":4,"isVote":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"tweetType":1,"comments":[{"id":3871428,"gmtCreate":1616589904894,"gmtModify":1680781546201,"authorId":3570273121072466,"author":{"id":3570273121072466,"idStr":"3570273121072466","authorId":3570273121072466,"name":"Tuxn","avatar":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/963eaca2dfb6315915f9fdf5c24024fa","vip":1,"currentWearingBadge":{"badgeId":"a83d7582f45846ffbccbce770ce65d84-1","templateUuid":"a83d7582f45846ffbccbce770ce65d84","name":"Real Trader","description":"Completed a transaction","bigImgUrl":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/2e08a1cc2087a1de93402c2c290fa65b","smallImgUrl":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/4504a6397ce1137932d56e5f4ce27166","grayImgUrl":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/4b22c79415b4cd6e3d8ebc4a0fa32604","redirectLinkEnabled":0,"hasAllocated":1,"isWearing":1,"stampPosition":0,"hasStamp":0,"allocationCount":1,"allocatedDate":"2021.12.21","individualDisplayEnabled":0,"individualDisplaySort":0,"categoryType":1100},"crmLevel":5,"crmLevelSwitch":1,"individualDisplayBadges":[]},"repliedAuthorId":0,"objectId":351814638,"type":1,"supId":0,"prevId":0,"content":"energy biz and spaceX not directly under Tesla <u>right</u>","text":"energy biz and spaceX not directly under Tesla <u>right</u>","html":"energy biz and spaceX not directly under Tesla <u>right</u>"}],"langContent":"EN"}],"isCommentEnd":false,"newsSizeData":{"likeSize":37,"commentSize":33,"repostSize":0,"favoriteSize":0,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false},"APP":{"userAgent":"Mozilla/5.0 AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko; compatible; ClaudeBot/1.0; +claudebot@anthropic.com)","isDev":false,"isTTM":true,"deviceId":"web-server-community-laohu8-v3","version":"4.29.1","shortVersion":"4.29.1","platform":"web","vendor":"web","appName":"ttm","isIOS":false,"isAndroid":false,"isTiger":false,"isTHS":false,"isWeiXin":false,"isWeiXinMini":false,"isWeiBo":false,"isQQ":false,"isBaiduSwan":false,"isBaiduBox":false,"isDingTalk":false,"isToutiao":false,"isOnePlus":false,"isHuaWei":false,"isXiaomi":false,"isXiaomiWebView":false,"isOppo":false,"isVivo":false,"isSamsung":false,"isMobile":false},"href":"/m/news/1178385748"}