Palantir Technologies: Another One In Trouble

Seeking Alpha2022-11-08

SummaryPalantir Technologies Inc. beat Q3 estimates and reiterated 2022 revenue guidance.However, Palantir's Q4 YoY revenue growth is expected to slow to 16%.This seems quite aggressive compared to ...

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tradelaggard
2022-11-09
tradelaggard
Thx for sharing
Cedric77
2022-11-09
Cedric77
Great writeup! Good understanding why Palantir is not a Buy. But, in reality many Tech Coy are still burning lots of money. These Companies are not profitable at all and with the current market condition they are in the same situation as Palantir. So in my view, that's our golden opportunity to Buy Growth stock at a steal now.
- JohnL:
  Ok
- elvinfu:
  [smile]
- Dodonan:
  K
- KH321:
  OK
- Brocco:
  K
MightyJoe
2022-11-09
MightyJoe
oh no
HF133
2022-11-09
HF133
Ok
- HF133:
  ok
CaseyLKC
2022-11-09
CaseyLKC
Ok
Dhalsim Wee
2022-11-09
Dhalsim Wee
agree

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