Intel's Comeback Looks Impossible. So Did AMD's.

Motley Fool2021-05-05

Years of manufacturing issues for Intel (NASDAQ:INTC) has led to a situation that would have been unthinkable five years ago: The manufacturing edge the chip giant long enjoyed is gone. Taiwan ...

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JCJC87
2021-05-09
JCJC87
Good article
AcidIce
2021-05-07
AcidIce
Intel WILL proceed & grow once they break out of the x86 war fight. They NEED to go 5nm-7nm within 3 years IF not they're toast!
- 病书生:
  都不用怕
- AungKoMin:
  I'm not scare to AMD. I'm just afraid of Apple M series chip.
HTHT
2021-05-06
HTHT
Ball is round. Just like stocks. Some play for shorterm gain, some play as die hard fans.[Smile]
DDDKKK
2021-05-06
DDDKKK
Why isn't shortage of chips moving the price?
joshc
2021-05-06
joshc
Actually it depends very much on its next gen designs
Benstonk
2021-05-06
Benstonk
Comeback isn’t real

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I'm just afraid of Apple M series chip.","text":"I'm not scare to AMD. I'm just afraid of Apple M series chip.","html":"I'm not scare to AMD. I'm just afraid of Apple M series chip."}],"langContent":"EN"},{"id":105830577,"gmtCreate":1620287092499,"gmtModify":1704341356305,"author":{"id":"3578445674164471","authorId":"3578445674164471","name":"HTHT","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","vip":1,"crmLevel":3,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"idStr":"3578445674164471","authorIdStr":"3578445674164471"},"htmlText":"Ball is round. Just like stocks. Some play for shorterm gain, some play as die hard fans.[Smile]&nbsp;","listText":"Ball is round. Just like stocks. Some play for shorterm gain, some play as die hard fans.[Smile]&nbsp;","text":"Ball is round. Just like stocks. 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