Epic-Apple Judge Signals Her Ruling Won’t Please Either Side

Bloomberg2021-05-26

(Bloomberg) -- With billions of dollars up for grabs, neither Apple Inc. or Epic Games Inc. will get what they want out of their court fight if the judge’s ruling embraces the concerns she voiced at ...

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Tiggermum
2021-05-26
Tiggermum
Oh oh.
newwen
2021-05-26
newwen
Apple up
- newwen:
  moon
Derrick0359
2021-05-26
Derrick0359
[Miser] [Miser]
kwwh
2021-05-26
kwwh
Wow
- Derrick0359:
  Ok
- kwwh:
  yes
- kwwh:
  okay
Sumei
2021-05-26
Sumei
I’m rooting for Apple. They deserve to reap the benefits of an ecosystem they have built up which is secure and updated. I am aware that some may consider this a monopoly butusers can choose to use the android OS if they don’t like Apple’s IOS.Epic has gotten very very greedy. They now want a much bigger slice of the pie after having gotten to Apple’s billions of users through Apple’s App Store. Now they don’t want to pay any fees but yet want the ability for apple users to go directly to their site on the iPhone.
- LynnyReplySumei:
  Yup
- Sumei:
  As if Epic has not made tons from the Apple Store - now they want it all. Talk about bIting the hand that feeds you...
- Lynny:
  I agree. Epic signed contract with full knowledge of the terms. Now that Fortnite is a big hit they are upset that Apple stops them cutting Apple off their 30% share.
Marcus1993
2021-05-26
Marcus1993
Wow
- SimonChan:
  Pls help me too. thanks

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This would result in no forced changes to the App Store, allowing Apple to continue to require developers to distribute their software exclusively through its store and ban third-party in-app-purchase systems.Tweaks to App Store policies: The judge modifies Apple’s license agreements to allow third-party App Stores on iOS. She could also rule that Apple has to provide ongoing support for third-party stores so that they don’t break from future software updates. The judge will decide whether this exemption to App Store rules applies only to Epic or is required for all developers.Sweeping changes: The judge finds the App Store is anticompetitive and issues an injunction, as requested by Epic, that blocks the store from carrying on business as usual. 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