‘Not a chance’ Tesla will dominate car industry in 20 years: legendary investor Bruce Greenwald

Yahoo Finance2021-05-26

Tesla (TSLA) short sellers are up $4 billion so far this year, driven by the stock's fall back to earth after a steep rise of more than 695% last year, according to an analysis by S3 partners that CNN...

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tkj
2021-05-27
tkj
It is a given, there is no way Tesla is going to dominate the market in the long term. The big and famous boys will be in with full force, Mercs, BMWs with established branding. Competition will heat up
- WX86:
  Lol... there's BMW solar and Mercedes powerwalls?
- CHENBL:
  DONKEY!!!
- etf29:
  tesla is more than EV. they are selling energy storage and SaaS (autopilot) to other automakers, e.g. toyota. future is bright baby!
- Pepeflabs:
  spot on
- geraldwwx:
  Hahaha best joke of the day
GiselleC
2021-05-27
GiselleC
Pls like n comment thanks. Always follow Elon tweet!
JCai
2021-05-27
JCai
Like and comment pls
Acella
2021-05-27
Acella
Good?
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TerenceD
2021-05-27
TerenceD
That’s ??
nananan
2021-05-27
nananan
At least 20% of total market in 20 years.Tesla has always been supply constrainted, even before the pandamic. That is the only reason why the number isnt higher now.Greenwald is a fool, every other automakers share their profits with distributors, 3rd party vendors, marketing...Tesla does none of those.

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??&nbsp;","listText":"That’s ??&nbsp;","text":"That’s ??","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":1,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/132132820","repostId":2138486271,"repostType":4,"isVote":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"tweetType":1,"langContent":"EN"},{"id":132377931,"gmtCreate":1622074325923,"gmtModify":1704178841466,"author":{"id":"3555214777256239","authorId":"3555214777256239","name":"nananan","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","vip":1,"crmLevel":5,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"idStr":"3555214777256239","authorIdStr":"3555214777256239"},"htmlText":"At least 20% of total market in 20 years.Tesla has always been supply constrainted, even before the pandamic. That is the only reason why the number isnt higher now.Greenwald is a fool, every other automakers share their profits with distributors, 3rd party vendors, marketing...Tesla does none of those.&nbsp;","listText":"At least 20% of total market in 20 years.Tesla has always been supply constrainted, even before the pandamic. That is the only reason why the number isnt higher now.Greenwald is a fool, every other automakers share their profits with distributors, 3rd party vendors, marketing...Tesla does none of those.&nbsp;","text":"At least 20% of total market in 20 years.Tesla has always been supply constrainted, even before the pandamic. 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