Cathie Wood Buys the Dip, Ray Dalio Does the Maths

The Australian Financial Review2022-09-15

Cathie Wood sees deflation coming, but Ray Dalio has a very different view. He thinks higher rates could force stocks down another 20 per cent.It’s pretty wild out there. Just a day after Wall Street ...

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Cam20
2022-09-15
Cam20
[Cool] [Cool] [Cool]
- Squ00:
  Ok
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  Ok
- Squ00:
  Ok
- Squ00:
  Ok
- Squ00:
  [Observation]
Bull1973
2022-09-15
Bull1973
Ok
Scpy
2022-09-15
Scpy
50% Likely even guesstimate. Still room for further dip. Hold on
NgKenny
2022-09-15
NgKenny
Nice
- snd:
  Thanks
Ahsiang
2022-09-15
Ahsiang
Sure Bo

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