Big Investor in Credit Suisse Bonds Says Bail-in System Worked

Reuters2023-03-22

One of the largest investors of the Credit Suisse bonds that were wiped out in the UBS takeover of the troubled Swiss bank still believes in the value of the debt class and the "bail-in" system ...

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ocsamk
2023-03-22
ocsamk
talking crap. if the fund didn't manage to exit and still say it is fair, then that would be something...
POHSWEEGUAN
2023-03-22
POHSWEEGUAN
Credit suiss$Lipella Pharmaceuticals Inc(LIPO)$
JimmyChua
2023-03-22
JimmyChua
Give good news to let them exit

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