Amazon: Risks Keep Accumulating

Seekingalpha2023-05-01

Amazon posted a solid Q1 performance that initially prompted the stock to jump as much as 12% in afterhours trading. However, as expected, investors eventually turned bearish following management ...

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来人
2023-05-01
来人
Ok
jpe
2023-05-01
jpe
comparing last 5 years with Azure and AWS, Azure has been growing slower. if you really look at the numbers of cloud customers. remember that many are in azure because if office 365 MS do not earn extra for that outside of the office subscription . AWS customer are paying for the use of the infrastructure AI has been in play for 20 years,this is something these companies are equaly good in. It is just a marketing thing, buz wordright now. Most analytics dont even know what this is (exept for chatGPT, wich is just a chat robot). True AI and machine mearing is something completly diffwrent and has been partof AWS from beginning. I had this in school 25 years ago. I work in Telecom service, we see where companies move their server software. more than double of our customers are moving
- jennyvu:
  😊
- jpe:
  we first have to build 5G. all service providers are building 5G core now and next 5 years. That is key for 5G. 5G standard is not even complete yet. So, 6G wiill come, but we are talking 10-15 years in the furure
- maxcheng:
  good
- Pandaaa:
  ok
- mathslover74:
  Gg
TigerHulk
2023-05-01
TigerHulk
With Amazon most profitable AWS facing ubcertainity and dropped in revenue, I am very bearish on this counter and will not accumulate as I forsee the share price price to drop below $90 in May. I might be wrong, and trade with care everyone.

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In the U.S., however, both e-commerce and AWS customers are increasingly focusing on attractive value-for-price opportunities, pressuring profit margins. With regards to potential cost efficiency, and in addition to the layoffs already announced, Amazon highlighted increased profitability anchored on the introduction of a decentralized fulfillment model, which has eight interconnected regions across the U.S., resulting in faster and more cost-effective delivery services for customers.AMZN Q1 2023 reportingZooming into Amazon's operating segments, the North America segment increased sales by about 11% YoY, to $76.9 billion. Operating income was $0.9 billion (finally green numbers), versus an operating loss of $1.6 billion for the same period in 2022.AMZN Q1 2023 reportingThe International segment increased sales by only 1% YoY, to $ 29.1 billion, while the segment's operating loss only narrowed slightly, to a loss of 1.3 billion in the first quarter 2023.AMZN Q1 2023 reportingGrowth for the AWS segment slowed sharply, as sales increased by only 16% YoY, to $21.4 billion. Likewise, also AWS segment operating income disappointed at $5.1 billion (mid-20% operating margin), compared to $6.5 billion in Q1 2022 (mid-30% operating margin). In the call with analysts, Amazon management highlighted that the company has been 'supporting' AWS customers in managing costs (which is fancy expression for Amazon saying that AWS offered discounts and incentives).AMZN Q1 2023 reportingNot a growth company's typical guidanceAmazon has provided guidance for the second quarter of 2023, which, although solid, clearly lacks growth or profitability expansion that a growth company should bring to the table. Amazon's group net sales are expected to grow between 5% and 10% YoY only, to an estimated range of approximately $127 billion to $133 billion (with Q2 mid-point guidance projecting a flat quarter vs Q1). Operating income for the March quarter is expected to be somewhere between $2.0 billion and $5.5 billion, potentially losing profitability as compared to the $3.3 billion reported in the second quarter of 2022 and the $4.8 billion reported in Q1 2023.Most disappointing are Amazon's projections with regards to the AWS segment, where growth is expected to drop further, to 11% YoY. Amazon's Brian Olsavsky commented that AWS 'customers of all sizes in all industries' are trying to save costs, and 'these optimizations continuing into the second quarter' could likely pressure both growth and profitability margins by 500 basis points.Valuation Update: Raise TPAmazon's slowing growth is well noted; but so is the conglomerates ambition to cut costs across units. Reflecting on Amazon's incremental shift towards a more reasonable growth strategy that is also anchored on profitability considerations, I raise my EPS expectations for AMZN through 2025: I now estimate that Amazon's EPS in 2023 will likely expand to somewhere between $2.2 and $2.7. Likewise, I also raise my EPS expectations for 2024 and 2025, to $3.15 and $3.7, respectively.I continue to anchor on a 4.5% terminal growth rate (still giving Amazon a growth premium versus the broader economy), as well as an 8.75% cost of equity (risk discount versus the market)Given the EPS updates as highlighted below, I now calculate a fair implied share price for Amazon of equal to $76.68, versus $70.65 previously.Author's EPS Estimates and CalculationsBelow is also the updated sensitivity table.Author's EPS Estimates and CalculationsRisksAs a counter-thesis against my bearish arguments, I would like to highlight what I have written before:There are two risks to point out. First, betting against Amazon is hardly ever a smart move - or at least it has not been in the past. Despite the short-term headwinds Amazon remains one of the best managed companies in the world, and the long-term outlook for the e-commerce giant remains bright. Second, investors should consider that Amazon frequently misses earnings estimates (less so revenues) and the market does not very much care. Arguably, Amazon has taught its investors to look past short-term accounting and profitability targets. And accordingly, the (expected) earnings miss may fail to materialize a stock sell-off.ConclusionAmazon reported better than expected Q1 2023 estimates, but clearly missed investors' expectations for Q2, especially with regards to AWS topline and profitability. Accordingly, the Amazon equity story continues to be a difficult pitch, with the narrative being pressured by multiple headwinds, most notably: sharply slowing growth across business segments, lack of profitability on group level, and a still clouded macroeconomic outlook.Personally, I estimate that Amazon stock should be priced at approximately $76.68/ share. I base my argument on a residual earnings framework, which is anchored on updated EPS estimates, an 8.75% cost of equity and a 4.5% terminal growth rate. Notably, as compared to my prior valuation, I have materially raised EPS expectations through 2025. But Amazon still looks overvalued, compared to reasonable growth and profitability estimates. 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