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2021-06-16

Most analysts love to talk down APPLE stock. They are always harping on 1) the company only being a hardware company; 2) the services segment not being able to make up fortheir loss of competitiveness in the hardware space; 3) it’s too big a company for any more growth and so on …

However Aaple keeps on improving and innovating. They have an entire ecosystem with their App Store plus wearables plus now going into health with the Apple Watch.

I would not bet against Apple …

Why Goldman Sachs Changed Its Mind On Apple Stock

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我i168
2021-06-22
我i168
Apple car? Coming?!
- Sumei:
  Hope so!
Evey77
2021-06-16
Evey77
Agree, though the upside seems limited vs. other growth stocks?
- Sumei:
  Yes true, so one should have a long term (do nothing) portfolio and a trading portfolio for the growth stocks which can be somewhat more volatile.
  That said, Apple has been rewardin…
glee5551
2021-06-22
glee5551
Time to Buy apple?
- PeterLim007:
  Wait for dip
Turtlebizkit
2021-06-23
Turtlebizkit
Love anything that is ? [Love you]
KLok
2021-06-21
KLok
time will tell.....
Turtlebizkit
2021-07-02
Turtlebizkit
[Anger]

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