Is EV ready a delusion? Heard

2021-03-10

Is EV ready a delusion? Heard and read that EV is really booming in China. May be friends of Tiger brokerage can confirm too. ☺️

Tesla and Other EV Stocks Are Bouncing Back. That Doesn’t Mean the Bubble Won’t Pop.

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Hayz
2021-03-10
Hayz
EV stocks are overpriced in general, but I am vested because $$ stuck with no where to park. China already have EV (bus), as soon so many more on wheels.

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