I love this stock. Under value

2021-04-08

I love this stock. Under value, Super potential if only Jack can control his mouth :)

Charlie Munger Just Bought Alibaba Stock: Should You?

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JeremyKok
2021-04-09
JeremyKok
what is the real value of baba?
- HunterX:
  Baba hit 309 on 23/10/20 due to Ant ipo hot news but we all know why it falls. Current intrinsic value @ 288. MOS 20%

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Munger, 97, is still active in the investing world, not only through his activities at Berkshire, but also as chairman of the <b>Daily Journal Corporation </b>(NASDAQ:DJCO).</p>\n<p>Munger bought the Daily Journal decades ago when he was still running his own investment fund, for just $2.5 million. After his fund dissolved, Munger distributed shares to his partners, but he still owns around 3.6% of the company, now valued at a whopping $455 million.</p>\n<p>One interesting feature of the Daily Journal, which historically published a legal newspaper and more recently began selling courthouse software, is that it takes cash flow from its core businesses and reinvests it into equities, mostly large U.S. banks.</p>\n<p>This week, Munger and company turned some heads when the Daily Journal disclosed a $37 million stake in Chinese e-commerce giant <b>Alibaba Group Holding</b>&nbsp;(NYSE:BABA), good for 19% of the company's equity portfolio, making it the company's third-largest position behind <b>Bank of America</b>&nbsp;and <b>Wells Fargo</b>.</p>\n<p>Is Alibaba really a Munger-style value stock? 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Furthermore, Alibaba is facing stiff competition in the e-commerce space from <b>JD.com</b>&nbsp;as well as the explosive discount-buying upstart <b>Pinduoduo</b>.</p>\n<p>However, Buffett once quipped, \"You pay a high price for a cheery consensus.\" Amid these concerns, Alibaba trades just around 25 times trailing earnings and under 19 times this year's earnings estimates. That's much cheaper than all of the FAANG stocks in the U.S., which is surprising given Alibaba's still strong growth rates and the growing middle class in China.</p>\n<h2>But Alibaba may be even cheaper than that</h2>\n<p>As is the case with several large technology conglomerates, Munger may be looking at various parts of Alibaba's sprawling empire, and might have realized these parts add up to much more than Alibaba's current market value.</p>\n<p>For <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/AONE.U\">one</a> thing, Alibaba has a significant amount of cash on its balance sheet, along with large stakes in private companies like Ant Group as well as publicly traded companies. As of Dec. 31, 2021, its balance sheet included $47.8 billion in cash, $22.1 billion in short-term securities, $36.8 billion in other publicly traded equity securities, and another $28.4 billion in equity method investees, such as Ant Group. 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Over the past nine months, these cumulative losses decreased real operating income by about $5 billion, even though these divisions likely have significant positive value.</p>\n<h2>It all adds up to a bargain, in Munger's eyes</h2>\n<p>One could say Alibaba's core e-commerce operating income was almost $20 billion for the nine months ended in December, good for an annual run rate around $26 billion. Against $500 billion in enterprise value, that's less than a 20 times EBIT multiple. And this is for a company that grew revenue 37% last quarter. That seems like a pretty good deal.</p>\n<p>One particular reason to be bullish is Alibaba's cloud computing division. Last quarter, cloud revenue was up 50%, and that division also just recorded its first quarter of positive adjusted EBITA. 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Munger, 97, is still active in the investing world, not only through his activities at Berkshire, but also as chairman of the Daily Journal Corporation (NASDAQ:DJCO).\nMunger bought the Daily Journal decades ago when he was still running his own investment fund, for just $2.5 million. After his fund dissolved, Munger distributed shares to his partners, but he still owns around 3.6% of the company, now valued at a whopping $455 million.\nOne interesting feature of the Daily Journal, which historically published a legal newspaper and more recently began selling courthouse software, is that it takes cash flow from its core businesses and reinvests it into equities, mostly large U.S. banks.\nThis week, Munger and company turned some heads when the Daily Journal disclosed a $37 million stake in Chinese e-commerce giant Alibaba Group Holding (NYSE:BABA), good for 19% of the company's equity portfolio, making it the company's third-largest position behind Bank of America and Wells Fargo.\nIs Alibaba really a Munger-style value stock? And should you follow him into the Chinese giant?\nImage source: Getty Images.\nThe case for Alibaba as a value stock\nAlibaba's stock has languished somewhat recently despite delivering good results, so it's no wonder Munger might have thought the company a good value at today's prices. The recent controversy around founder Jack Ma and the aborted IPO for Ant Financial, of which Alibaba holds a one-third stake, has likely played a role. Antitrust concerns in China have been an added drag. Furthermore, Alibaba is facing stiff competition in the e-commerce space from JD.com as well as the explosive discount-buying upstart Pinduoduo.\nHowever, Buffett once quipped, \"You pay a high price for a cheery consensus.\" Amid these concerns, Alibaba trades just around 25 times trailing earnings and under 19 times this year's earnings estimates. That's much cheaper than all of the FAANG stocks in the U.S., which is surprising given Alibaba's still strong growth rates and the growing middle class in China.\nBut Alibaba may be even cheaper than that\nAs is the case with several large technology conglomerates, Munger may be looking at various parts of Alibaba's sprawling empire, and might have realized these parts add up to much more than Alibaba's current market value.\nFor one thing, Alibaba has a significant amount of cash on its balance sheet, along with large stakes in private companies like Ant Group as well as publicly traded companies. As of Dec. 31, 2021, its balance sheet included $47.8 billion in cash, $22.1 billion in short-term securities, $36.8 billion in other publicly traded equity securities, and another $28.4 billion in equity method investees, such as Ant Group. Those assets add up to $135.1 billion, against just about $18 billion in short and long-term debt.\nSo while Alibaba currently sports a market cap of $615 billion or so, it's really only about $500 billion when stripping out these net assets. That's very cheap compared with Alibaba's current operating income, which totaled $14.9 billion through the first nine months of fiscal 2021, good for nearly a $20 billion run rate.\nYet even that operating income figure may underrate Alibaba's true earnings power. That's because the company is aggressively investing the large cash flows from its core e-commerce platform into other parts of its operations. In fact, Alibaba is experiencing losses in a large number of its higher-growth business, including its local consumer services business, logistics arm Cainiao, Southeast Asian e-commerce firm Lazada Group, and its cloud computing and digital entertainment businesses. Over the past nine months, these cumulative losses decreased real operating income by about $5 billion, even though these divisions likely have significant positive value.\nIt all adds up to a bargain, in Munger's eyes\nOne could say Alibaba's core e-commerce operating income was almost $20 billion for the nine months ended in December, good for an annual run rate around $26 billion. Against $500 billion in enterprise value, that's less than a 20 times EBIT multiple. And this is for a company that grew revenue 37% last quarter. That seems like a pretty good deal.\nOne particular reason to be bullish is Alibaba's cloud computing division. Last quarter, cloud revenue was up 50%, and that division also just recorded its first quarter of positive adjusted EBITA. Most think cloud is in its relatively early stages, especially in China, so that division likely has significant value going forward that hasn't contributed anything to overall company operating profits yet.\nAlibaba looks like a good deal, if you can handle the China risk\nAll in all, Alibaba stock looks like a great value, provided investors can handle the China risk. Of note, the SEC just adopted a rule that will require U.S.-listed Chinese companies to be audited by U.S. tax authorities, as well as disclose Communist Party affiliations. Therefore, some Chinese securities have sold off on further U.S.-China tension fears.\nHowever, Munger is a noted bull on China. He may think these headlines are more dire than the business reality. 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