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2021-03-30

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CFDs - The Dirty Little Secret Behind The Collapse Of Archegos

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Daveb
2021-03-30
Daveb
Its still coming..☹️☹️
- Daveb:
  Yes better to miss a few trades than rush in and get caught in a second slide. remember fools rush in where angels fair to tread.
- Kel9670ong:
  Time to keep watch
- Daveb:
  See above, i think the trigger may have been pulled as banks and lending institutions will start to protect their positions and expose extreme short positions. this is exciting news.
- Avestor:
  Agree... it is coming
- Daveb:
  Difficult to know how to manage it other than to keep away from mainstream stocks. i am happy with gme and amc because they are not driven by fundamentals.

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In the U.S., CFDs are largely banned for amateur traders... but not for hedge fund managers who are \"sophisticated\"?</p>\n<p>But,<b>banks still favor them because they can make a large profit without needing to set aside as much capital versus trading actual securities</b>(driven to this opaque market as an unintended consequence of heavy regulation following the 2008 financial crisis).</p>\n<p>In the case of Archegos, there is very little transparency about Hwang’s trades, but market participants suggest his assets had grown to anywhere from $5 billion to $10 billion in recent years with<b>total exposure topping $50 billion</b>. And bear in mind,<b>this is not 'leverage' in the old-fashioned sense</b>(i.e. banks allow you buy X-times the amount of stocks relative to your capital); this is<b>purely synthetic</b>- the firm has no actual underlying asset to fall back on, but is linearly exposed to losses (and gains) on a margined basis.</p>\n<p>And as we noted at the beginning,<b>this has the potential to be much more systemic</b>as the losses created by Archegos' margin calls trigger more margin calls and more potential losses for the prime brokers. Think we are exaggerating, then explain why the costs of counterparty risk hedging for Credit Suisse for example, has exploded in the last few days...</p>\n<p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/28842de72b88aa4010edfcfa798fa5af\" tg-width=\"500\" tg-height=\"273\"><i>Source: Bloomberg</i></p>\n<p>Mohammed El-Erian told CNBC this morning that<i><b>\"It seems to be a one-off ... for now, it looks contained. 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fools rush in where angels fair to  tread."},{"id":3923895,"commentId":"3923895","gmtCreate":1617123203611,"gmtModify":1680782340026,"authorId":3578468158955348,"author":{"id":3578468158955348,"idStr":"3578468158955348","authorId":3578468158955348,"name":"Kel9670ong","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/bd86c42e207fbd94e7f8877a29457d71","vip":1,"crmLevel":2,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"individualDisplayBadges":[]},"repliedAuthorId":0,"objectId":355119443,"objectIdStr":"355119443","type":1,"supId":3915256,"supIdStr":"3915256","prevId":0,"prevIdStr":"0","content":"Time to keep watch","text":"Time to keep watch","html":"Time to keep 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to protect their positions and expose extreme short positions. this is exciting news."},{"id":3915761,"commentId":"3915761","gmtCreate":1617059047950,"gmtModify":1680782219904,"authorId":3574810128035926,"author":{"id":3574810128035926,"idStr":"3574810128035926","authorId":3574810128035926,"name":"Avestor","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/6f3c3d4807f1c348bda9590766e78f13","vip":1,"crmLevel":2,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"individualDisplayBadges":[]},"repliedAuthorId":0,"objectId":355119443,"objectIdStr":"355119443","type":1,"supId":3915256,"supIdStr":"3915256","prevId":0,"prevIdStr":"0","content":"Agree... it is coming  ","text":"Agree... it is coming  ","html":"Agree... it is coming  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