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Bull1973

2022-05-19

Ok//@hiryan:But morewhich world is the author living in.... (1) On market share... Tesla's market share is bound to drop over time - do some math and you realise it's technically impossible for tesla to maintain a majority market share in an industry like autos. Elon is well aware of this. 2. On getting FAT, which other ICE auto make out there has Q1 sales higher than Q4? It's seasonality. Do you even know how challenging it is to have a higher Q1 vs Q4, in a climate such as 2022? (3) on service... which other auto maker can make through the air updates as well as Tesla? Which auto maker has their own charging network? Which other automaker has a better FSD in the works? Which automaker is going into insurance the way Tesla is? (4) are you kidding me about Tesla management of supply chains...

Tesla: Never Bought it and Never Will

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KittyBruno
2022-05-19
KittyBruno
I said this before and say it again. Tesla’s were only popular for the “cool” and “unique” factor. Now due to pandemic even McDonald worker have model 3–no longer interesting
LeilaLynch
2022-05-19
LeilaLynch
Really looking dire here, although lately the market has a way of faking everyone out. Although it certainly looks like TSLA's long awaited correction is in the making.
FranklinMorley
2022-05-19
FranklinMorley
Has Tesla even created a new technology since the electric car (2008)? Self driving won’t be here for another 5-10 years and the Ai robot chick to jerk me off won’t be here until 15-20?
blo
2022-05-19
blo
wonderful
Tiger Lim
2022-05-19
Tiger Lim
good
FreeAcc
2022-05-19
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But for most people it’s still a question of small steps. That’s why I recently became the fifth homeowner on my street to buy a Toyota hybrid. It cuts my gas use in half, but I don’t have to worry about finding a plug in the middle of West Virginia. It also cost half what a Tesla costs.Cars with plugs, like Tesla, still represent just 5% of the U.S. car market. Hybrids are where the growth is in today’s mass market, which is dominated by Japanese, Korean and Chinese names.Tesla’s market share in China is falling. In Europe, Volkswagen(OTCMKTS:VWAGY) and Stellantis(NYSE:STLA) now have bigger shares of the plug-in market.The Bottom Line on TSLA StockBulls look at CEO Elon Musk’s effort to buy Twitter(NASDAQ:TWTR) and worry that might distract him. They even bought Tesla when it seemed he might back off the Twitter purchase.The Twitter saga tells me Musk is bored. Tesla is being run by car guys. The great strategic cut-and-thrust is mostly over. He wants to do something else. 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