Its still too early to judge.

2022-05-29

Why the Dow Finally Bounced, and What It Will Take to Convince Investors It's for Real

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Nomo77
2022-05-29
Nomo77
That is true..overall macro environment still too challenging. Hope this isnt a one off bounce!
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2022-05-29
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Real, or inflation-adjusted, interest rates fell over the past week, corporate credit spreads -- the yield premium over U.S. Treasurys demanded by investors to buy bonds issued by companies -- tightened, and investor expectations for future Federal Reserve rate increases moderated, noted Mahmood Noorani, chief executive of research firm Quant Insight, in an interview (see chart below).</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/7521bdd8c826278369d3b7ba280e9bac\" tg-width=\"700\" tg-height=\"599\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>That gave some breathing room for a bounce. Quant Insight&#39;s model showed the S&amp;P 500 had sunk below fair value but is now right in line with the metric.</p><p>The S&amp;P 500  had narrowly averted a close in bear-market territory on May 19 after hitting a session low more than 20% below its Jan. 3 record close. It then rose 6.6% over the past week, ending Friday 13.3% below its early January peak as it snapped a streak of seven straight weekly declines.</p><p>The Nasdaq Composite , which remains solidly in bear-market territory, also broke a run of seven weekly falls, rising 6.8%. The Dow&#39;s  matching 6.8% rise marked the end of an eight-week run of losing weeks, its longest since 1932.</p><p>Kevin Dempter, an analyst at Renaissance Macro Research, also pointed to a handful of positive factors, including a significant pullback by the U.S. dollar, deeply oversold technical conditions and extremely bearish sentiment, while some stocks, such as that of <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/NVDA\">Nvidia Corp.</a>, managed to reverse to the upside despite bad news.</p><p>Neither Noorani nor Dempter were prepared to call a market bottom, however. And there was no shortage of outright bearish expectations. 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Real, or inflation-adjusted, interest rates fell over the past week, corporate credit spreads -- the yield premium over U.S. Treasurys demanded by investors to buy bonds issued by companies -- tightened, and investor expectations for future Federal Reserve rate increases moderated, noted Mahmood Noorani, chief executive of research firm Quant Insight, in an interview (see chart below).That gave some breathing room for a bounce. Quant Insight's model showed the S&P 500 had sunk below fair value but is now right in line with the metric.The S&P 500  had narrowly averted a close in bear-market territory on May 19 after hitting a session low more than 20% below its Jan. 3 record close. It then rose 6.6% over the past week, ending Friday 13.3% below its early January peak as it snapped a streak of seven straight weekly declines.The Nasdaq Composite , which remains solidly in bear-market territory, also broke a run of seven weekly falls, rising 6.8%. The Dow's  matching 6.8% rise marked the end of an eight-week run of losing weeks, its longest since 1932.Kevin Dempter, an analyst at Renaissance Macro Research, also pointed to a handful of positive factors, including a significant pullback by the U.S. dollar, deeply oversold technical conditions and extremely bearish sentiment, while some stocks, such as that of Nvidia Corp., managed to reverse to the upside despite bad news.Neither Noorani nor Dempter were prepared to call a market bottom, however. And there was no shortage of outright bearish expectations. 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The move was likely an oversold bounce rather than a bottom, he argued, explaining that RenMac would be more optimistic \"if growth were weaker, and inflation had peaked.\"\"History suggests that both growth and inflation need to weaken further before a bottom occurs,\" he said, noting that the energy sector's continued outperformance of healthcare suggests that inflation has yet to peak.\"We'll be watching next week's ISM (manufacturing index) number, as a weak reading may shift the market-cycle clock closer to a more favorable zone for a bottom,\" he said.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":175,"commentLimit":10,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"symbols":[],"verified":2,"subType":0,"readableState":1,"langContent":"EN","currentLanguage":"EN","warmUpFlag":false,"orderFlag":false,"shareable":true,"causeOfNotShareable":"","featuresForAnalytics":[],"commentAndTweetFlag":false,"andRepostAutoSelectedFlag":false,"upFlag":false,"length":24,"xxTargetLangEnum":"ORIG"},"commentList":[{"id":102029462,"commentId":"102029462","gmtCreate":1653786576761,"gmtModify":1663250476953,"authorId":4101449357353590,"author":{"id":4101449357353590,"idStr":"4101449357353590","authorId":4101449357353590,"name":"Nomo77","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","vip":1,"hat":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/0a8758340a08196056f8bc1e54805193","crmLevel":6,"crmLevelSwitch":1,"individualDisplayBadges":[]},"repliedAuthorId":0,"objectId":9024013439,"objectIdStr":"9024013439","type":1,"supId":0,"supIdStr":"0","prevId":0,"prevIdStr":"0","content":"That is true..overall macro environment still too challenging. 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