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2022-07-18

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Alibaba: A Qualitative Breakdown Of $500 Billion In Disappeared Market Cap

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ngchris
2022-07-18
ngchris
losing value mainly due to politic
4XKEYQ
2022-07-18
4XKEYQ
Agree
Txxl
2022-07-18
Txxl
yes
Longshot
2022-07-18
Longshot
Ok

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This article will review the tangible economic effects of the SAMR’s anticompetition policies on BABA’s business performance, including: (i) lower profitability, (ii) slower growth and (iii) higher risk premiums / required rates of returns by investors. Current market valuations are effectively assuming these effects will persist into perpetuity. Out of the three, lower profitability is likely reflective of a structural shift, but the other two may prove to be temporary and could change with time.Lower profitabilityA direct consequence of SAMR’s rules was to tilt the market landscape in favour of number two and smaller players relative to the incumbent. 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Similarly, BABA’s current investments in strategic initiatives reflect structural changes to the company’s business mix, and the most recent gap-down in margins may be here to stay.Slower GrowthI include slowing growth as one of the economic effects resulting from SAMR’s anticompetition policies, but anticompetitive regulations drag on BABA’s growth only to the extent that they pressure BABA to reduce merchant fees (mentioned in point 1 under &#34;Lower Profitability&#34; above), which result in customer management revenue growing slower than GMV growth.Given BABA’s 950 million annual active consumers covers two-thirds of the country’s 1.4 billion population, it is inevitable that the company’s growth trajectory will be affected by the macroeconomic picture, and this is regardless of what SAMR does and says. 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A rough graph plotting that against the index of YoY change in China Retail Sales Value suggests a certain degree of correlation between the two. Retail sales over 4Q 2021 was USD 1.9 trillion, a paltry 7% increase over 4Q 2020 (even with the Singles Day shopping festival in November). BABA is due to report 1Q 2023 results around August (so there is no company GMV / GTV datapoints yet for 2022) but I note that China retail sales growth was negative for 3 out of the first 6 months of 2022.<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/0830e999c0b3c721cb9eace36437be38\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"440\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/>Bloomberg, BABA company filingsEven though there is a lot of talk about China growth being “slowest in three decades” etc., I propose to frame the picture in another way. China population (1.4 billion) is slightly more than 4 times that of US (320 million). 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This article will review the tangible economic effects of the SAMR’s anticompetition policies on BABA’s business performance, including: (i) lower profitability, (ii) slower growth and (iii) higher risk premiums / required rates of returns by investors. Current market valuations are effectively assuming these effects will persist into perpetuity. Out of the three, lower profitability is likely reflective of a structural shift, but the other two may prove to be temporary and could change with time.Lower profitabilityA direct consequence of SAMR’s rules was to tilt the market landscape in favour of number two and smaller players relative to the incumbent. 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Similarly, BABA’s current investments in strategic initiatives reflect structural changes to the company’s business mix, and the most recent gap-down in margins may be here to stay.Slower GrowthI include slowing growth as one of the economic effects resulting from SAMR’s anticompetition policies, but anticompetitive regulations drag on BABA’s growth only to the extent that they pressure BABA to reduce merchant fees (mentioned in point 1 under \"Lower Profitability\" above), which result in customer management revenue growing slower than GMV growth.Given BABA’s 950 million annual active consumers covers two-thirds of the country’s 1.4 billion population, it is inevitable that the company’s growth trajectory will be affected by the macroeconomic picture, and this is regardless of what SAMR does and says. I review the latest macro indicators and then express my thoughts on how I view these levels of growth rates.Beijing is targeting 5.5% annual GDP growth for 2022, but with first half growth at 2.5%, most analysts / economists do not expect that to be achieved. The marked deceleration was in 2Q when numerous cities implemented anti-virus curbs starting in March, in line with the country’s zero tolerance towards COVID. 2Q 2022 GDP growth was 0.4% YoY, barely escaping a contraction, and is below the 1.2% forecast by economists, and down from the 4.8% recorded in 1Q 2022.Financial TimesAs far as BABA is concerned, a more relevant metric is perhaps retail sales growth. BABA’s growth in retail GMV and GTV (combined) have slowed from 20% to 30% before 2019 to an average of 14% in 2021 (average of 4 quarters from Mar 2021 (4QFY21) to Dec 2021 (3QFY22)). A rough graph plotting that against the index of YoY change in China Retail Sales Value suggests a certain degree of correlation between the two. Retail sales over 4Q 2021 was USD 1.9 trillion, a paltry 7% increase over 4Q 2020 (even with the Singles Day shopping festival in November). BABA is due to report 1Q 2023 results around August (so there is no company GMV / GTV datapoints yet for 2022) but I note that China retail sales growth was negative for 3 out of the first 6 months of 2022.Bloomberg, BABA company filingsEven though there is a lot of talk about China growth being “slowest in three decades” etc., I propose to frame the picture in another way. China population (1.4 billion) is slightly more than 4 times that of US (320 million). Intuitively, that implies that when the average Chinese is one-quarter as rich as the average American*, their consumption economy will be same size as that of US. In other words, there is a long runway for growth, provided that China is able to shift from “easy” growth (large-scale infrastructure projects) to quality growth (improved labour productivity, technological advancements, etc.). If so, then even after the Chinese consumption economy catches up with that of the US in terms of absolute size, there is still the differential between income per capita to bridge.*The average Chinese is less than one-quarter as well off as the average American. As of 2021, China constant GDP per capita was$11,200vs US constant GDP per capita of$61,280according to data from the St Louis Fed.Higher risk premiums / required rates of returnMost people are likely to agree that the stock is currently trading at an undervaluation, regardless of whether you are a BABA fan or not. Lower profitability and slower growth are two explaining factors, but they seem insufficient to fully account for such a large gap - $500 billion is a lot. The last component is higher risk premiums / required rates of returns by investors. This is what people call the “unknowns”, “uncertainties”, or CCP wildcard risk, hanging over the stock, which should be thought of scientifically as risk premiums (multiple compression in some ways is the flip side of the same coin) instead of some elusive construct. Investors are spooked and they need higher required returns to compensate.Closing RemarksCompanies can survive, and even thrive, following intense regulatory cycles. Take the Dodd-Frank Act as example, the introduction of close to 28,000 new rules and restrictions curtailed banks’ revenue pools, doubled their capital requirements and compliance costs. On the upside, in the years following the passage of Dodd-Frank, banks restructured, changed their business mix, became more efficient, learned to optimize capital, and developed new competitive edges in areas of technology and marketing. This regulatory adaptation separated the winners from the losers. Starting in 2013, a few large bank stocks went on to significantly beat the broader market over the rest of the decade. 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