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the slack with RTX 30XX making up less than 4% of the market.</li>\n</ul>\n<p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/00e894af87a4cdb30b9a1f647d2ee42d\" tg-width=\"1536\" tg-height=\"1024\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"><span>StefaNikolic/E+ via Getty Images</span></p>\n<p>Another record quarter was put on the table just over two weeks ago when Nvidia (NVDA) announced even better revenue than even it anticipated&nbsp;in a late quarter update. But the guide was even more out of this world, showing analysts they're way off base in their models. This is causing the bears to move from one argument to another as each gets debunked through raw financial numbers. But now they're walking into a crypto debate where the bulls have more transparency and data on their side than any other time. Unfortunately, the crypto bear thesis is not the one to take this time around. Gaming revenue growth will not slow as there's a huge RTX 3000 series opportunity with less than 4% of the GPU market share, just as supply receives a much-needed reprieve with crypto migrating to a new SKU altogether. The market appreciates the mitigated risk with crypto revenue transparency, allowing the stock to sustain a premium valuation.</p>\n<p><b>Paper Launch, Remember?</b></p>\n<p>At first, the bears postulated the RTX 3000 series debut was a paper launch because there was such limited supply. Gamers across the internet were up in arms because so few cards could be bought, sold out everywhere. Limited supply has continued to plague the 3000 series since then.</p>\n<p>But Gaming revenue has gone from $1.65B before the RTX 3000 launch to $2.76B in the latest quarter, causing this bear talking point to fade over the last several months.</p>\n<p>If the 3000 cards were so limited in supply, what accounts for the consistent monstrous quarter-over-quarter growth in the Gaming division?</p>\n<p>Ah, I'm glad you asked.</p>\n<p>It's clearly the selling of more than just a few (paper) RTX 3000 cards.</p>\n<p><b>Crypto Is The Talking Point, Again</b></p>\n<p>That question brings us to the latest bear talking point - crypto. If the bears move to this point, they have given up on the paper launch argument. That's because to mine crypto, you need a powerful GPU, and that powerful GPU is an RTX 3000 series card. So either there are very few 3000 series being sold (paper launch) - which doesn't allow a crypto bubble to be an issue - or there are indeed enough 3000 cards to meaningfully show up on the top line and debate how much is due to crypto-related sales.</p>\n<p>But the crypto debate is much harder to prove for either side. Historically it has been a bit of a closed box in terms of what cards have been sold to crypto miners and which ones have gotten into \"real\" gamers' hands. The bears can point to this and say that whatever RTX 3000 series cards have been sold over the last several months were for crypto mining.</p>\n<p>And you might be wondering, \"Why is this a big deal? Revenue is revenue, regardless of who's buying the card.\"</p>\n<p>This might be true if it wasn't for the volatile nature of the cryptocurrency world. Mining crypto is a profitability equation of how high the hash rate of a processor is (how fast it can complete the crypto calculations on the blockchain to receive a reward) and how much that particular crypto is worth on the market. The higher the crypto price, the higher the incentive to mine (the reward is bigger in pure dollar terms).</p>\n<p>But in 2018, after the \"crypto bubble\" deflated when the price of Bitcoin (BTC-USD) and Ethereum (ETH-USD) plummeted 85% from then all-time highs, Nvidia's revenue took a hit. Suddenly the cards of 2018 were not profitable to mine at depressed prices. It appeared a lot of the Gaming division sales were tied to crypto, or at least enough to knock growth off-kilter. As a result, the company experienced negative top-line growth throughout the following year.</p>\n<p>This is why the word crypto spoken by management, along with the crypto volatility with Bitcoin and Ethereum 50% off the latest all-time highs, brings a shiver down the market's spine.</p>\n<p>It sees 2018 playing out all over again.</p>\n<p><b>Facing The Crypto Thesis Head On</b></p>\n<p>However, bulls have more data over the last two quarters than they did in the 2018 crypt bust, with the strongest talking point to date coming just a few weeks ago. That point is the new RTX 3000 SKUs which will physically limit the hash rate of the cards, deterring miners from buying cards and opening up supply to gamers for typical GPU use.</p>\n<p>But if crypto is a major part of Gaming division revenue and the company is going to hardware limit the hash rates to make them unprofitable to mine crypto, future Gaming revenue will undoubtedly suffer.</p>\n<p>Right?</p>\n<p>Apparently not; guidance isn't telling us that story. With the current quarter running from May through July and the&nbsp;new \"hash lite\" RTX cards shipping at the end of May, guidance was still $6.3B in revenue versus The Street consensus of $5.48B.</p>\n<p>The hidden gem in the guide was the additional data bulls have needed for some time: a breakdown of revenue from CMPs (crypto mining processors). The company created CMPs to serve the industrial crypto mining community to provide better performance (by focusing processing power specifically on hashing and removing graphic rendering capabilities) and separate the supply between miners and gamers. This works to benefit investors as this breakdown of revenue allows for better risk analysis of overall revenue.</p>\n<p>And that is the key to the crypto cycle this time around.</p>\n<p>The&nbsp;guide for FQ2 included $400M of revenue for CMP products&nbsp;(as shown under the OEM/Other category). You might see this as a huge risk (relative to overall revenue), but this has now made the risk a solid number. Before this CMP breakdown, the market and analysts had to rely on rough estimates based in wide ranges to understand how much the Gaming division had downside risk built into it due to crypto.</p>\n<p>Why has the market responded positively to the expected 158% quarter-over-quarter growth, which follows 114% sequential growth in the just reported quarter for CMP? Because the market can assess the risk to the downside now - uncertainty has been mitigated.</p>\n<p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/10c92c645e86c40c1af4be579b56fab8\" tg-width=\"635\" tg-height=\"403\"><span>Data byYCharts</span></p>\n<p>The market knows $400M is the mark now. The rest of the divisions are more understood, and channel checks are more accurate there. The question mark has been crypto, and the company is now being the most transparent about it.</p>\n<p><b>Outlook For Gaming</b></p>\n<p>This then begs the question: how much will be cannibalized from the Gaming division?</p>\n<p>Not much if we continue doing the math on the FQ2 guide. After backing out the $400M of CMP sales, we're left with a guide of $5.9B. That's still $420M of outperformance analysts didn't account for, while the Gaming division will technically see two \"hits\" to its growth, each for the same reason. Not only is there a separate product line for crypto, but the RTX cards will also have their inherent mining performance throttled. This should provide no reason to continue using RTX cards as the best value for mining (relatively cheap compared to ASICs with still profitable processing power).</p>\n<p>Of course, not all of the $420M guidance raise is for Gaming. Still, considering it's the largest division with 48% of revenue in the last quarter, it stands that analysts will meaningfully raise estimates for the Gaming division.</p>\n<p>But then, where's the Gaming growth coming from in the quarters ahead?</p>\n<p>Gamers will be the clear demand driver now. Supply should now make its way toward the gamers who have been trying to get a 3000 series card for the last eight months. You don't have to Google very much to find folks still patiently - and impatiently - waiting for their 3000 series card.</p>\n<p>There's a huge runway for upgrades from prior RTX cards and GTX cards as the market penetration of RTX 30XX cards is still less than 4%, around 3.64%, according to Steam's monthly hardware survey. And that's growing each month since January across the SKU board. This compares to the current gamer market share of all other Nvidia cards of 68.6%.</p>\n<p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/828d8670b5f989162d31b002ead58ab0\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"109\"><span>(Source:Steam Hardware Survey)</span></p>\n<p>And if you're concerned about the lack of upgrades from RTX 20XX cards since they're only one generation behind, the non-RTX portion of the market makes up 55.11%. So there's a huge greenfield for upgrades to the 3000 series ahead with supply opening up to the real gamers.</p>\n<p><b>Outperformance To Continue</b></p>\n<p>Management has been tackling the market's concerns head-on, contrary to 2018. It has been able to capitalize on a strained crypto market because its GPU-based CMP processors are above and beyond anything anyone has ever produced. This time it did it correctly with much better transparency - the market appreciates the calculated risk.</p>\n<p>There's still further bullishness as Nvidia enters a crypto market dominated by ASICs, which tend to have very limited supply and very long lead times. Nvidia is capitalizing on the market using its larger contract position with fabs like Taiwan Semiconductor (TSM) and Samsung (OTC:SSNLF)(OTC:SSNNF) to produce competitive mining processors.</p>\n<p>Eventually, the transition of Ethereum (ETH-USD) to proof-of-stake from proof-of-work may serve as a headwind rather than a tailwind. Still, this risk is much further out as not only will the transition start in early 2022, but miners are expected to remain on the network&nbsp;for at least a year after the transition.</p>\n<p>It comes down to this: if the market has the data it needs to calculate the at-risk revenue easily, the market won't be as skittish to value Nvidia at the multiples it has grown to. Add in the huge upside to revenue for FQ2 with gamers now able to dive into the consumer market more fully, and you have a continuation for the Gaming division to outperform through at least year-end, if not well into 2022. For a long-term shareholder, there are further returns ahead for the stock.</p>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Nvidia's Crypto Concerns Are Cancelled, Gaming To Reign Supreme</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nNvidia's Crypto Concerns Are Cancelled, Gaming To Reign Supreme\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2021-06-15 15:49 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://seekingalpha.com/article/4434754-nvidias-crypto-concerns-are-cancelled-gaming-to-reign-supreme><strong>seekingalpha</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>Summary\n\nNvidia's massive FQ2 guidance raise brings bears (back) to the crypto talking point.\nBut if they move to crypto, they admit RTX 3000 series cards have been selling in droves - negating any ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4434754-nvidias-crypto-concerns-are-cancelled-gaming-to-reign-supreme\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"NVDA":"英伟达"},"source_url":"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4434754-nvidias-crypto-concerns-are-cancelled-gaming-to-reign-supreme","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1130157766","content_text":"Summary\n\nNvidia's massive FQ2 guidance raise brings bears (back) to the crypto talking point.\nBut if they move to crypto, they admit RTX 3000 series cards have been selling in droves - negating any paper launch theories.\nManagement, though, is now becoming much more transparent with crypto revenue as it dives directly into the growing market.\nThe market can now assess the at-risk revenue and understand the risk-adjusted return for Nvidia, which is why the stock has risen in the face of growing crypto revenue.\nThere won't be any cannibalizing of Gaming division revenue as gamers will now take up the slack with RTX 30XX making up less than 4% of the market.\n\nStefaNikolic/E+ via Getty Images\nAnother record quarter was put on the table just over two weeks ago when Nvidia (NVDA) announced even better revenue than even it anticipated in a late quarter update. But the guide was even more out of this world, showing analysts they're way off base in their models. This is causing the bears to move from one argument to another as each gets debunked through raw financial numbers. But now they're walking into a crypto debate where the bulls have more transparency and data on their side than any other time. Unfortunately, the crypto bear thesis is not the one to take this time around. Gaming revenue growth will not slow as there's a huge RTX 3000 series opportunity with less than 4% of the GPU market share, just as supply receives a much-needed reprieve with crypto migrating to a new SKU altogether. The market appreciates the mitigated risk with crypto revenue transparency, allowing the stock to sustain a premium valuation.\nPaper Launch, Remember?\nAt first, the bears postulated the RTX 3000 series debut was a paper launch because there was such limited supply. Gamers across the internet were up in arms because so few cards could be bought, sold out everywhere. Limited supply has continued to plague the 3000 series since then.\nBut Gaming revenue has gone from $1.65B before the RTX 3000 launch to $2.76B in the latest quarter, causing this bear talking point to fade over the last several months.\nIf the 3000 cards were so limited in supply, what accounts for the consistent monstrous quarter-over-quarter growth in the Gaming division?\nAh, I'm glad you asked.\nIt's clearly the selling of more than just a few (paper) RTX 3000 cards.\nCrypto Is The Talking Point, Again\nThat question brings us to the latest bear talking point - crypto. If the bears move to this point, they have given up on the paper launch argument. That's because to mine crypto, you need a powerful GPU, and that powerful GPU is an RTX 3000 series card. So either there are very few 3000 series being sold (paper launch) - which doesn't allow a crypto bubble to be an issue - or there are indeed enough 3000 cards to meaningfully show up on the top line and debate how much is due to crypto-related sales.\nBut the crypto debate is much harder to prove for either side. Historically it has been a bit of a closed box in terms of what cards have been sold to crypto miners and which ones have gotten into \"real\" gamers' hands. The bears can point to this and say that whatever RTX 3000 series cards have been sold over the last several months were for crypto mining.\nAnd you might be wondering, \"Why is this a big deal? Revenue is revenue, regardless of who's buying the card.\"\nThis might be true if it wasn't for the volatile nature of the cryptocurrency world. Mining crypto is a profitability equation of how high the hash rate of a processor is (how fast it can complete the crypto calculations on the blockchain to receive a reward) and how much that particular crypto is worth on the market. The higher the crypto price, the higher the incentive to mine (the reward is bigger in pure dollar terms).\nBut in 2018, after the \"crypto bubble\" deflated when the price of Bitcoin (BTC-USD) and Ethereum (ETH-USD) plummeted 85% from then all-time highs, Nvidia's revenue took a hit. Suddenly the cards of 2018 were not profitable to mine at depressed prices. It appeared a lot of the Gaming division sales were tied to crypto, or at least enough to knock growth off-kilter. As a result, the company experienced negative top-line growth throughout the following year.\nThis is why the word crypto spoken by management, along with the crypto volatility with Bitcoin and Ethereum 50% off the latest all-time highs, brings a shiver down the market's spine.\nIt sees 2018 playing out all over again.\nFacing The Crypto Thesis Head On\nHowever, bulls have more data over the last two quarters than they did in the 2018 crypt bust, with the strongest talking point to date coming just a few weeks ago. That point is the new RTX 3000 SKUs which will physically limit the hash rate of the cards, deterring miners from buying cards and opening up supply to gamers for typical GPU use.\nBut if crypto is a major part of Gaming division revenue and the company is going to hardware limit the hash rates to make them unprofitable to mine crypto, future Gaming revenue will undoubtedly suffer.\nRight?\nApparently not; guidance isn't telling us that story. With the current quarter running from May through July and the new \"hash lite\" RTX cards shipping at the end of May, guidance was still $6.3B in revenue versus The Street consensus of $5.48B.\nThe hidden gem in the guide was the additional data bulls have needed for some time: a breakdown of revenue from CMPs (crypto mining processors). The company created CMPs to serve the industrial crypto mining community to provide better performance (by focusing processing power specifically on hashing and removing graphic rendering capabilities) and separate the supply between miners and gamers. This works to benefit investors as this breakdown of revenue allows for better risk analysis of overall revenue.\nAnd that is the key to the crypto cycle this time around.\nThe guide for FQ2 included $400M of revenue for CMP products (as shown under the OEM/Other category). You might see this as a huge risk (relative to overall revenue), but this has now made the risk a solid number. Before this CMP breakdown, the market and analysts had to rely on rough estimates based in wide ranges to understand how much the Gaming division had downside risk built into it due to crypto.\nWhy has the market responded positively to the expected 158% quarter-over-quarter growth, which follows 114% sequential growth in the just reported quarter for CMP? Because the market can assess the risk to the downside now - uncertainty has been mitigated.\nData byYCharts\nThe market knows $400M is the mark now. The rest of the divisions are more understood, and channel checks are more accurate there. The question mark has been crypto, and the company is now being the most transparent about it.\nOutlook For Gaming\nThis then begs the question: how much will be cannibalized from the Gaming division?\nNot much if we continue doing the math on the FQ2 guide. After backing out the $400M of CMP sales, we're left with a guide of $5.9B. That's still $420M of outperformance analysts didn't account for, while the Gaming division will technically see two \"hits\" to its growth, each for the same reason. Not only is there a separate product line for crypto, but the RTX cards will also have their inherent mining performance throttled. This should provide no reason to continue using RTX cards as the best value for mining (relatively cheap compared to ASICs with still profitable processing power).\nOf course, not all of the $420M guidance raise is for Gaming. Still, considering it's the largest division with 48% of revenue in the last quarter, it stands that analysts will meaningfully raise estimates for the Gaming division.\nBut then, where's the Gaming growth coming from in the quarters ahead?\nGamers will be the clear demand driver now. Supply should now make its way toward the gamers who have been trying to get a 3000 series card for the last eight months. You don't have to Google very much to find folks still patiently - and impatiently - waiting for their 3000 series card.\nThere's a huge runway for upgrades from prior RTX cards and GTX cards as the market penetration of RTX 30XX cards is still less than 4%, around 3.64%, according to Steam's monthly hardware survey. And that's growing each month since January across the SKU board. This compares to the current gamer market share of all other Nvidia cards of 68.6%.\n(Source:Steam Hardware Survey)\nAnd if you're concerned about the lack of upgrades from RTX 20XX cards since they're only one generation behind, the non-RTX portion of the market makes up 55.11%. So there's a huge greenfield for upgrades to the 3000 series ahead with supply opening up to the real gamers.\nOutperformance To Continue\nManagement has been tackling the market's concerns head-on, contrary to 2018. It has been able to capitalize on a strained crypto market because its GPU-based CMP processors are above and beyond anything anyone has ever produced. This time it did it correctly with much better transparency - the market appreciates the calculated risk.\nThere's still further bullishness as Nvidia enters a crypto market dominated by ASICs, which tend to have very limited supply and very long lead times. Nvidia is capitalizing on the market using its larger contract position with fabs like Taiwan Semiconductor (TSM) and Samsung (OTC:SSNLF)(OTC:SSNNF) to produce competitive mining processors.\nEventually, the transition of Ethereum (ETH-USD) to proof-of-stake from proof-of-work may serve as a headwind rather than a tailwind. Still, this risk is much further out as not only will the transition start in early 2022, but miners are expected to remain on the network for at least a year after the transition.\nIt comes down to this: if the market has the data it needs to calculate the at-risk revenue easily, the market won't be as skittish to value Nvidia at the multiples it has grown to. Add in the huge upside to revenue for FQ2 with gamers now able to dive into the consumer market more fully, and you have a continuation for the Gaming division to outperform through at least year-end, if not well into 2022. For a long-term shareholder, there are further returns ahead for the stock.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":314,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":187664167,"gmtCreate":1623752588359,"gmtModify":1704210523729,"author":{"id":"3574168861827591","authorId":"3574168861827591","name":"Jaykay","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"3574168861827591","authorIdStr":"3574168861827591"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"[What]&nbsp;","listText":"[What]&nbsp;","text":"[What]","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":1,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/187664167","repostId":"2143730722","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"2143730722","kind":"highlight","weMediaInfo":{"introduction":"Reuters.com brings you the latest news from around the world, covering breaking news in markets, business, politics, entertainment and technology","home_visible":1,"media_name":"Reuters","id":"1036604489","head_image":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/443ce19704621c837795676028cec868"},"pubTimestamp":1623745356,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/2143730722?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2021-06-15 16:22","market":"hk","language":"en","title":"Geely's EV brand Zeekr sells out of deliverable cars for this year","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2143730722","media":"Reuters","summary":"BEIJING, June 15 (Reuters) - Zeekr, a new premium electric vehicle $(EV)$ brand launched this year b","content":"<html><body><p>BEIJING, June 15 (Reuters) - Zeekr, a new premium electric vehicle <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/EV\">$(EV)$</a> brand launched this year by Geely   , has sold out of deliveries for this year, Chief Executive An Conghui said on Tuesday.</p><p>   Geely, the owner of Volvo Cars, in April launched Zeekr to target growing Chinese demand for premium EVs that has boosted sales for Tesla Inc    and Chinese peer Nio Inc   .</p><p>   Parent Zhejiang Geely Holding Group and Geely Automobile</p><p>  jointly invested 2 billion yuan ($306 million) in the Zeekr venture. </p><p>   Executives said that Zeekr would use a direct sales model to manage pricing and inventory. The brand plans to open more than 100 stores this year. Geely is making Zeekr 001 cars in China's eastern city of Ningbo.</p><p> (Reporting by Yilei Sun and Tony Munroe, editing by Louise Heavens)</p><p>((Y.Sun@thomsonreuters.com; +86 10 66271262; Reuters Messaging: y.sun.thomsonreuters.com@reuters.net))</p></body></html>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Geely's EV brand Zeekr sells out of deliverable cars for this year</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nGeely's EV brand Zeekr sells out of deliverable cars for this year\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n<a class=\"head\" href=\"https://laohu8.com/wemedia/1036604489\">\n\n\n<div class=\"h-thumb\" style=\"background-image:url(https://static.tigerbbs.com/443ce19704621c837795676028cec868);background-size:cover;\"></div>\n\n<div class=\"h-content\">\n<p class=\"h-name\">Reuters </p>\n<p class=\"h-time\">2021-06-15 16:22</p>\n</div>\n\n</a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<html><body><p>BEIJING, June 15 (Reuters) - Zeekr, a new premium electric vehicle <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/EV\">$(EV)$</a> brand launched this year by Geely   , has sold out of deliveries for this year, Chief Executive An Conghui said on Tuesday.</p><p>   Geely, the owner of Volvo Cars, in April launched Zeekr to target growing Chinese demand for premium EVs that has boosted sales for Tesla Inc    and Chinese peer Nio Inc   .</p><p>   Parent Zhejiang Geely Holding Group and Geely Automobile</p><p>  jointly invested 2 billion yuan ($306 million) in the Zeekr venture. </p><p>   Executives said that Zeekr would use a direct sales model to manage pricing and inventory. The brand plans to open more than 100 stores this year. Geely is making Zeekr 001 cars in China's eastern city of Ningbo.</p><p> (Reporting by Yilei Sun and Tony Munroe, editing by Louise Heavens)</p><p>((Y.Sun@thomsonreuters.com; +86 10 66271262; Reuters Messaging: y.sun.thomsonreuters.com@reuters.net))</p></body></html>\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"00175":"吉利汽车","TSLA":"特斯拉","NIO":"蔚来"},"source_url":"http://api.rkd.refinitiv.com/api/News/News.svc/REST/News_1/RetrieveStoryML_1","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"2143730722","content_text":"BEIJING, June 15 (Reuters) - Zeekr, a new premium electric vehicle $(EV)$ brand launched this year by Geely   , has sold out of deliveries for this year, Chief Executive An Conghui said on Tuesday.   Geely, the owner of Volvo Cars, in April launched Zeekr to target growing Chinese demand for premium EVs that has boosted sales for Tesla Inc    and Chinese peer Nio Inc   .   Parent Zhejiang Geely Holding Group and Geely Automobile  jointly invested 2 billion yuan ($306 million) in the Zeekr venture.    Executives said that Zeekr would use a direct sales model to manage pricing and inventory. The brand plans to open more than 100 stores this year. Geely is making Zeekr 001 cars in China's eastern city of Ningbo. (Reporting by Yilei Sun and Tony Munroe, editing by Louise Heavens)((Y.Sun@thomsonreuters.com; +86 10 66271262; Reuters Messaging: y.sun.thomsonreuters.com@reuters.net))","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":156,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":187665971,"gmtCreate":1623752563493,"gmtModify":1704210521790,"author":{"id":"3574168861827591","authorId":"3574168861827591","name":"Jaykay","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"3574168861827591","authorIdStr":"3574168861827591"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"??","listText":"??","text":"??","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/187665971","repostId":"2143011730","repostType":2,"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":201,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0}],"hots":[{"id":187664167,"gmtCreate":1623752588359,"gmtModify":1704210523729,"author":{"id":"3574168861827591","authorId":"3574168861827591","name":"Jaykay","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"3574168861827591","authorIdStr":"3574168861827591"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"[What]&nbsp;","listText":"[What]&nbsp;","text":"[What]","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":1,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/187664167","repostId":"2143730722","repostType":2,"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":156,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":187621171,"gmtCreate":1623752765693,"gmtModify":1704210530687,"author":{"id":"3574168861827591","authorId":"3574168861827591","name":"Jaykay","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"3574168861827591","authorIdStr":"3574168861827591"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"?","listText":"?","text":"?","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/187621171","repostId":"1167720481","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"1167720481","kind":"news","pubTimestamp":1623723356,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/1167720481?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2021-06-15 10:15","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Apple: Meme Stocks Or Apple, I Choose Apple Every Time","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1167720481","media":"seekingalpha","summary":"Apple has been a negative investment in 2021 while Meme stocks have exploded which is ridiculous.Investors have been granted an opportunity to purchase Apple before its next leg up while the attention has shifted to chasing the quick buck with Meme stocks.Apple is on pace to generate more than $300 billion in revenue for fiscal year 2021 and $75 billion in net income.Eventually Apple will be invested back to the party and their numbers will be celebrated.So what does AAPL do with all of the cash","content":"<p><b>Summary</b></p>\n<ul>\n <li>Apple has been a negative investment in 2021 while Meme stocks have exploded which is ridiculous.</li>\n <li>Investors have been granted an opportunity to purchase Apple before its next leg up while the attention has shifted to chasing the quick buck with Meme stocks.</li>\n <li>Apple is on pace to generate more than $300 billion in revenue for fiscal year 2021 and $75 billion in net income.</li>\n <li>Eventually Apple will be invested back to the party and their numbers will be celebrated.</li>\n</ul>\n<p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/54c3b80a3353ef82f618688f13f74658\" tg-width=\"1536\" tg-height=\"1024\"><span>Nikada/iStock Unreleased via Getty Images</span></p>\n<p>In 2021, Apple (AAPL) has become a negative returning investment underperforming the SPDR S&amp;P 500 Trust ETF (SPY) by a margin greater than 15%. In May of 2021, one of the hottest fund managers&nbsp;Cathie Wood&nbsp;of&nbsp;Ark Invest, sold nearly 300,000 shares of AAPL from the ARK Fintech Innovation ETF (ARKF). It was reported that ARK, at one point, was reducing their stake in AAPL to add to their positions in&nbsp;Coinbase (COIN) and DraftKings (DKNG). Actively managed funds such as the one's ARK oversees buy and sell equities daily and could have been using AAPL as an alternative to cash. AAPL has a mixed bag of reviews as some believe its best days are ahead of it while others believe the glory days won't be reclaimed. I think the market is granting investors an opportunity as AAPL should breakout from its sideways pattern in the 2ndhalf of 2021.</p>\n<p>The market wasn't impressed by the blowout AAPL delivered in Q1 and Q2. Instead of an upside climb supported by fundamentals, shares of AAPL have been treading water. As an AAPL bull, it's perplexing that so much attention is placed on meme stocks instead of companies such as AAPL when it's setting the stage for their best year ever. After reading the comments of the recent articles on MEME stocks, I have written, then looking back at the comment sections of some AAPL articles, I just don't understand how the mindset is shifting to outright speculation &amp; gambling rather than investing. In the first 2 quarters of the fiscal year, 2021 AAPL has generated $3.08 in EPS while the entire 2020 fiscal year delivered $3.31 in EPS. AAPL is solidifying the foundation for its best year ever in many metrics, yet the market isn't impressed. I believe there will be impressive fireworks in the 2ndhalf of 2021, and patient shareholders will be rewarded as Q3 and Q4 numbers are reported.</p>\n<p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/e86cb02096dfa9c6da05e350f274aa64\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"556\"><span>(Source: Seeking Alpha)</span></p>\n<p><b>Apple believes it's the best investment in the market and puts their money where their mouth is</b></p>\n<p>So what does AAPL do with all of the cash it generates? For starters, they spend tens of billions annually building out their businesses while investing in research and development [R&amp;D]. In&nbsp;2020, AAPL spent $169.56 billion on their cost of generating revenue. The fruits of their labor can be seen in their product offerings and how quickly their newest business segments, including services and wearables, Home, and accessories, have grown. AAPL allocated $18.75 billion in 2020 to R&amp;D, generating advancements to their beloved products. One of the reasons AAPL has a cliental that could resemble a cult-like mentality is because AAPL doesn't stop innovating. They are always at the forefront pushing the boundaries of how technology can enhance an individual's daily life.</p>\n<p>So what about the remaining cash after AAPL's business expenses are fulfilled? AAPL bets on themselves and views their stock as an investment. Since the fiscal year 2012, AAPL has repurchased $421.7 billion in its own stock. In 2021 AAPL has repurchased $43 billion in stock, indicating that senior leadership believes there is tremendous value in owning shares of AAPL. I remember the days where everyone got excited when insiders purchased shares of their company. For AAPL buying back stock is just an ordinary Monday. AAPL has repurchased more in stock over the past decade than most companies will ever see their market caps grow to. AAPL's&nbsp;board&nbsp;authorized an additional $90 billion to its existing share repurchase plan, and AAPL returned almost&nbsp;$23 billion&nbsp;in capital to shareholders in Q2 2021, it doesn't get more bullish than that.</p>\n<p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/3dbaf61374104ed17e51201af591ab7d\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"349\"><span>(Source: Apple)</span></p>\n<p><b>Meme stocks vs. Apple and the insanity of this market</b></p>\n<p>GameStop (GME) and AMC Entertainment Holdings (AMC) have decimated AAPL in share price appreciation throughout the first half of 2021. Regardless of why GME and AMC are up, the fact of the matter is GME has generated a return that exceeds 1,100%, and AMC has returned over 2,000%. Anyone who has ridden GME or AMC up, I congratulate and tip my hat to you. The market is being fueled by delusions of grandeur as AAPL is negative for the year, yet GME &amp; AMC have absolutely exploded to the upside.</p>\n<p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/c85258331453c02381346f8b6c676cec\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"499\"><span>(Source: Seeking Alpha)</span></p>\n<p>What's changed for AMC in the past several months? I can tell you, not a single thing. AMC is still a company that is in the red and barely makes money. I get it investing in companies like AMC can generate huge returns due to volatility, and I am not knocking it. If you can make money on it, by all means, don't let anyone stand in your way but be careful. When you read through&nbsp;AMC's income statement, they have never exceeded $400 million in net income. In the past decade, AMC's most profitable year was 2013, as their net income was $364.4 million. In 2019 which had zero ramifications from COVID, AMC generated $5.47 billion in revenue and couldn't even turn a profit as they lost -$149.1 million. AMC's last quarterly report had -$2.3 billion in equity on its balance sheet. The reality is AMC can issue additional shares and sell them to raise capital. This would benefit AMC by improving its balance sheet and increase its cash on hand. It seems like people don't understand that when a company issues more shares, the initial batch becomes diluted and is worthless because of the additional supply. AMC can issue shares and strengthen its balance sheet, but it won't solve its profit problems. AAPL pays more in dividends to its shareholders every quarter than the profit AMC has generated in the past decade, yet AMC is the stock generating larger returns.</p>\n<p>When investors purchase shares of AMC, they are buying a company with negative EPS. AMC's P/E ratio isn't measurable on a trailing twelve-month or a forward basis, yet investors are willing to pay for nonexistent earnings. In the comments of my&nbsp;AMC article, people said fundamentals don't matter. I understand that AMC has been a technical trade, but that doesn't change the reality that investors are paying for a company with negative earnings.Currently, the average PE Ratio for the S&amp;P is 45.02. If I use the EPS AAPL generated in the first 6 months of the fiscal year 2021 of $3.08, their PE Ratio would be 40.55. For the TTM, AAPL has generated $4.49 in EPS, which brings their PE Ratio down to 28.09. Currently, investors are paying $28.09 for every $1 in earnings AAPL generates, which is low for the tech industry.Amazon (AMZN)&nbsp;has a PE of 62.44,Microsoft (MSFT)34.93, and&nbsp;Google (GOOGL)of 32.05. Call me old-fashioned, but I like to invest in companies that turn a profit.</p>\n<p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/79e06d9bc68454731c984429111ff056\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"661\"><span>(Source:multpl.com)</span></p>\n<p><b>Laying out the bull case for Apple and why a breakout to the upside is inevitable</b></p>\n<p>AAPL has a cult-like following that gravitates to its products and services. For the first 6 months of 2021,AAPLhas generated $201.02 billion in revenue, $82.41 billion in gross profit, and $52.39 billion in net income. In 2021 AAPL has already generated 73.23% ($201.02 billion) of 2020's total revenue, then 78.51% of 2020's gross income ($82.41 billion) and 91.25% of 2020's total net income ($52.39 billion). AAPL is on track to decimate its previous records, and unless something unfathomable occurs, 2021 will be AAPL's best year ever.</p>\n<p>So the real questions are what's causing the surge in AAPL's financials, and are they sustainable? Part of the reason is AAPL has seen an increase in its hardware sales from iPhone 12's down to iPads. An argument can be made that many people needed to upgrade their technology during the pandemic due to working from home or remote learning, but that logic can't be used for 2021. At the end of April, when&nbsp;AAPL reported Q2,their iPhone sales exceeded expectations by $7.14 billion, Mac sales by $2.2 billion, and iPad sales by $2.01 billion. These numbers were a year later, and while the iPhone 12, which was AAPL's first 5G release, was expected to create tailwinds, I believe the pandemic pushed society into a place where a greater emphasis is placed on technology.</p>\n<p>I believe AAPL will continue to see strong hardware sales, but that's only one piece of the puzzle. Services and Wearables Home and Accessories are becoming huge components of AAPL's financial metrics. In&nbsp;2018 Services&nbsp;generated $39.75 billion in revenue. In 2019 Services increased by $6.54 billion (16.46%) as they finished the year with $46.29 billion in revenue. In 2020 Services grew by $7.48 billion (16.15%) as its revenue totaled $53.77 billion. In the first 6 months of 2020, Services has already generated $32.66 billion in revenue, which is 60.75% of 2020's total revenue. Services continue to grow creating a true business segment of reoccurring revenue for AAPL. The beauty of Services is with each piece of hardware AAPL sells; there is an opportunity to generate additional revenue through Services every month.</p>\n<p>Services are becoming a home run for AAPL as it diversifies its revenue mix away from being solely constructed from physical products. At the close of the fiscal year 2020, Services had increased its annual revenue by $29.42 billion (120.83%) in just 4 years. In the first 6 months of 2021, Services has generated $32.66 billion, which is 60% of 2020's annual revenue. AAPL is on track to crack $60 billion in revenue from Services in the fiscal year 2021. Looking further out, Services could be a $100 billion revenue generator in the not-too-distant future.</p>\n<p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/5f044f79f7525038fb94ed27b6a92209\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"373\"><span>(Source: Steven Fiorillo) (Data Source: Apple)</span></p>\n<p>Wearables Home and Accessories continues to follow in Service's footsteps as it has become a larger revenue segment than iPad and Mac. With the inception of the Apple Watch, this category has grown from generating $11.13 billion in 2016 to $30.62 billion in 2020. Over 4 fiscal years, Wearables Home and Accessories has increased its revenue by $24.48 billion (175.06%), and its growth keeps expanding. In the first 6 months of 2021, Wearables Home and Accessories have generated $20.81 billion in revenue, which is 67.95% of 2020's total revenue. AAPL is certainly on track to generate $35 billion-plus in revenue from Wearables Home and Accessories in the fiscal year 2021. Over the next several years, AAPL is on track to generate $50 billion in annual revenue from Wearables Home and Accessories.</p>\n<p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/d7071ec652302c6cab585fef4c408d65\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"373\"><span>(Source: Steven Fiorillo) (Data Source: Apple)</span></p>\n<p>By the end of the Fiscal Year 2025, there is a good chance that Services can generate more than $78 billion, and Wearables Home and Accessories could generate over $44 billion in annual revenue if they both grow at a 10% rate. These two categories are on pace to exceed $100 billion in revenue combined, which could grow into $150 billion annually in the late 2020s. I am shocked investors haven't been piling into AAPL, and it's even more ludicrous that an emphasis on AAPL's numbers isn't being discussed in greater detail. What's AAPL worth down the road when Services reaches $100 billion in revenue and Wearables Home and Accessories reaches $50 billion? Over the past decade, AAPL has continued to innovate and change how technology is used, and to think their best days are behind them is a notion I refuse to believe.</p>\n<p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/62cd231b75d9f875329f6713debe846b\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"191\"><span>(Source: Apple)</span></p>\n<p><b>Conclusion</b></p>\n<p>The meme stocks are causing a lot of excitement for some investors while they leave a whole other group shaking their heads. Other than a gamble, I can't understand why people want to invest in AMC when you could buy shares of AAPL on sale. AAPL should have exploded to the upside, but its 2 recent blowout quarters didn't move the needle. I believe it's going to be different once the Q3 numbers are reported. We're going to find out that once again, AAPL continues to buy shares by the billions while reporting that in 9 months, they have generated more net income than all of 2020. In the first 6 months of operations, AAPL has generated $201.02 billion in revenue and $52.39 billion in net income while giving back $53.2 billion in buybacks and dividends. Investors have been granted an opportunity to buy more AAPL before the next leg up. I am a shareholder of AAPL, and I plan on buying more before Q3 earnings.</p>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Apple: Meme Stocks Or Apple, I Choose Apple Every Time</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nApple: Meme Stocks Or Apple, I Choose Apple Every Time\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2021-06-15 10:15 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://seekingalpha.com/article/4434600-apple-meme-stocks-or-apple-i-choose-apple-every-time><strong>seekingalpha</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>Summary\n\nApple has been a negative investment in 2021 while Meme stocks have exploded which is ridiculous.\nInvestors have been granted an opportunity to purchase Apple before its next leg up while the...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4434600-apple-meme-stocks-or-apple-i-choose-apple-every-time\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"AAPL":"苹果"},"source_url":"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4434600-apple-meme-stocks-or-apple-i-choose-apple-every-time","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1167720481","content_text":"Summary\n\nApple has been a negative investment in 2021 while Meme stocks have exploded which is ridiculous.\nInvestors have been granted an opportunity to purchase Apple before its next leg up while the attention has shifted to chasing the quick buck with Meme stocks.\nApple is on pace to generate more than $300 billion in revenue for fiscal year 2021 and $75 billion in net income.\nEventually Apple will be invested back to the party and their numbers will be celebrated.\n\nNikada/iStock Unreleased via Getty Images\nIn 2021, Apple (AAPL) has become a negative returning investment underperforming the SPDR S&P 500 Trust ETF (SPY) by a margin greater than 15%. In May of 2021, one of the hottest fund managers Cathie Wood of Ark Invest, sold nearly 300,000 shares of AAPL from the ARK Fintech Innovation ETF (ARKF). It was reported that ARK, at one point, was reducing their stake in AAPL to add to their positions in Coinbase (COIN) and DraftKings (DKNG). Actively managed funds such as the one's ARK oversees buy and sell equities daily and could have been using AAPL as an alternative to cash. AAPL has a mixed bag of reviews as some believe its best days are ahead of it while others believe the glory days won't be reclaimed. I think the market is granting investors an opportunity as AAPL should breakout from its sideways pattern in the 2ndhalf of 2021.\nThe market wasn't impressed by the blowout AAPL delivered in Q1 and Q2. Instead of an upside climb supported by fundamentals, shares of AAPL have been treading water. As an AAPL bull, it's perplexing that so much attention is placed on meme stocks instead of companies such as AAPL when it's setting the stage for their best year ever. After reading the comments of the recent articles on MEME stocks, I have written, then looking back at the comment sections of some AAPL articles, I just don't understand how the mindset is shifting to outright speculation & gambling rather than investing. In the first 2 quarters of the fiscal year, 2021 AAPL has generated $3.08 in EPS while the entire 2020 fiscal year delivered $3.31 in EPS. AAPL is solidifying the foundation for its best year ever in many metrics, yet the market isn't impressed. I believe there will be impressive fireworks in the 2ndhalf of 2021, and patient shareholders will be rewarded as Q3 and Q4 numbers are reported.\n(Source: Seeking Alpha)\nApple believes it's the best investment in the market and puts their money where their mouth is\nSo what does AAPL do with all of the cash it generates? For starters, they spend tens of billions annually building out their businesses while investing in research and development [R&D]. In 2020, AAPL spent $169.56 billion on their cost of generating revenue. The fruits of their labor can be seen in their product offerings and how quickly their newest business segments, including services and wearables, Home, and accessories, have grown. AAPL allocated $18.75 billion in 2020 to R&D, generating advancements to their beloved products. One of the reasons AAPL has a cliental that could resemble a cult-like mentality is because AAPL doesn't stop innovating. They are always at the forefront pushing the boundaries of how technology can enhance an individual's daily life.\nSo what about the remaining cash after AAPL's business expenses are fulfilled? AAPL bets on themselves and views their stock as an investment. Since the fiscal year 2012, AAPL has repurchased $421.7 billion in its own stock. In 2021 AAPL has repurchased $43 billion in stock, indicating that senior leadership believes there is tremendous value in owning shares of AAPL. I remember the days where everyone got excited when insiders purchased shares of their company. For AAPL buying back stock is just an ordinary Monday. AAPL has repurchased more in stock over the past decade than most companies will ever see their market caps grow to. AAPL's board authorized an additional $90 billion to its existing share repurchase plan, and AAPL returned almost $23 billion in capital to shareholders in Q2 2021, it doesn't get more bullish than that.\n(Source: Apple)\nMeme stocks vs. Apple and the insanity of this market\nGameStop (GME) and AMC Entertainment Holdings (AMC) have decimated AAPL in share price appreciation throughout the first half of 2021. Regardless of why GME and AMC are up, the fact of the matter is GME has generated a return that exceeds 1,100%, and AMC has returned over 2,000%. Anyone who has ridden GME or AMC up, I congratulate and tip my hat to you. The market is being fueled by delusions of grandeur as AAPL is negative for the year, yet GME & AMC have absolutely exploded to the upside.\n(Source: Seeking Alpha)\nWhat's changed for AMC in the past several months? I can tell you, not a single thing. AMC is still a company that is in the red and barely makes money. I get it investing in companies like AMC can generate huge returns due to volatility, and I am not knocking it. If you can make money on it, by all means, don't let anyone stand in your way but be careful. When you read through AMC's income statement, they have never exceeded $400 million in net income. In the past decade, AMC's most profitable year was 2013, as their net income was $364.4 million. In 2019 which had zero ramifications from COVID, AMC generated $5.47 billion in revenue and couldn't even turn a profit as they lost -$149.1 million. AMC's last quarterly report had -$2.3 billion in equity on its balance sheet. The reality is AMC can issue additional shares and sell them to raise capital. This would benefit AMC by improving its balance sheet and increase its cash on hand. It seems like people don't understand that when a company issues more shares, the initial batch becomes diluted and is worthless because of the additional supply. AMC can issue shares and strengthen its balance sheet, but it won't solve its profit problems. AAPL pays more in dividends to its shareholders every quarter than the profit AMC has generated in the past decade, yet AMC is the stock generating larger returns.\nWhen investors purchase shares of AMC, they are buying a company with negative EPS. AMC's P/E ratio isn't measurable on a trailing twelve-month or a forward basis, yet investors are willing to pay for nonexistent earnings. In the comments of my AMC article, people said fundamentals don't matter. I understand that AMC has been a technical trade, but that doesn't change the reality that investors are paying for a company with negative earnings.Currently, the average PE Ratio for the S&P is 45.02. If I use the EPS AAPL generated in the first 6 months of the fiscal year 2021 of $3.08, their PE Ratio would be 40.55. For the TTM, AAPL has generated $4.49 in EPS, which brings their PE Ratio down to 28.09. Currently, investors are paying $28.09 for every $1 in earnings AAPL generates, which is low for the tech industry.Amazon (AMZN) has a PE of 62.44,Microsoft (MSFT)34.93, and Google (GOOGL)of 32.05. Call me old-fashioned, but I like to invest in companies that turn a profit.\n(Source:multpl.com)\nLaying out the bull case for Apple and why a breakout to the upside is inevitable\nAAPL has a cult-like following that gravitates to its products and services. For the first 6 months of 2021,AAPLhas generated $201.02 billion in revenue, $82.41 billion in gross profit, and $52.39 billion in net income. In 2021 AAPL has already generated 73.23% ($201.02 billion) of 2020's total revenue, then 78.51% of 2020's gross income ($82.41 billion) and 91.25% of 2020's total net income ($52.39 billion). AAPL is on track to decimate its previous records, and unless something unfathomable occurs, 2021 will be AAPL's best year ever.\nSo the real questions are what's causing the surge in AAPL's financials, and are they sustainable? Part of the reason is AAPL has seen an increase in its hardware sales from iPhone 12's down to iPads. An argument can be made that many people needed to upgrade their technology during the pandemic due to working from home or remote learning, but that logic can't be used for 2021. At the end of April, when AAPL reported Q2,their iPhone sales exceeded expectations by $7.14 billion, Mac sales by $2.2 billion, and iPad sales by $2.01 billion. These numbers were a year later, and while the iPhone 12, which was AAPL's first 5G release, was expected to create tailwinds, I believe the pandemic pushed society into a place where a greater emphasis is placed on technology.\nI believe AAPL will continue to see strong hardware sales, but that's only one piece of the puzzle. Services and Wearables Home and Accessories are becoming huge components of AAPL's financial metrics. In 2018 Services generated $39.75 billion in revenue. In 2019 Services increased by $6.54 billion (16.46%) as they finished the year with $46.29 billion in revenue. In 2020 Services grew by $7.48 billion (16.15%) as its revenue totaled $53.77 billion. In the first 6 months of 2020, Services has already generated $32.66 billion in revenue, which is 60.75% of 2020's total revenue. Services continue to grow creating a true business segment of reoccurring revenue for AAPL. The beauty of Services is with each piece of hardware AAPL sells; there is an opportunity to generate additional revenue through Services every month.\nServices are becoming a home run for AAPL as it diversifies its revenue mix away from being solely constructed from physical products. At the close of the fiscal year 2020, Services had increased its annual revenue by $29.42 billion (120.83%) in just 4 years. In the first 6 months of 2021, Services has generated $32.66 billion, which is 60% of 2020's annual revenue. AAPL is on track to crack $60 billion in revenue from Services in the fiscal year 2021. Looking further out, Services could be a $100 billion revenue generator in the not-too-distant future.\n(Source: Steven Fiorillo) (Data Source: Apple)\nWearables Home and Accessories continues to follow in Service's footsteps as it has become a larger revenue segment than iPad and Mac. With the inception of the Apple Watch, this category has grown from generating $11.13 billion in 2016 to $30.62 billion in 2020. Over 4 fiscal years, Wearables Home and Accessories has increased its revenue by $24.48 billion (175.06%), and its growth keeps expanding. In the first 6 months of 2021, Wearables Home and Accessories have generated $20.81 billion in revenue, which is 67.95% of 2020's total revenue. AAPL is certainly on track to generate $35 billion-plus in revenue from Wearables Home and Accessories in the fiscal year 2021. Over the next several years, AAPL is on track to generate $50 billion in annual revenue from Wearables Home and Accessories.\n(Source: Steven Fiorillo) (Data Source: Apple)\nBy the end of the Fiscal Year 2025, there is a good chance that Services can generate more than $78 billion, and Wearables Home and Accessories could generate over $44 billion in annual revenue if they both grow at a 10% rate. These two categories are on pace to exceed $100 billion in revenue combined, which could grow into $150 billion annually in the late 2020s. I am shocked investors haven't been piling into AAPL, and it's even more ludicrous that an emphasis on AAPL's numbers isn't being discussed in greater detail. What's AAPL worth down the road when Services reaches $100 billion in revenue and Wearables Home and Accessories reaches $50 billion? Over the past decade, AAPL has continued to innovate and change how technology is used, and to think their best days are behind them is a notion I refuse to believe.\n(Source: Apple)\nConclusion\nThe meme stocks are causing a lot of excitement for some investors while they leave a whole other group shaking their heads. Other than a gamble, I can't understand why people want to invest in AMC when you could buy shares of AAPL on sale. AAPL should have exploded to the upside, but its 2 recent blowout quarters didn't move the needle. I believe it's going to be different once the Q3 numbers are reported. We're going to find out that once again, AAPL continues to buy shares by the billions while reporting that in 9 months, they have generated more net income than all of 2020. In the first 6 months of operations, AAPL has generated $201.02 billion in revenue and $52.39 billion in net income while giving back $53.2 billion in buybacks and dividends. Investors have been granted an opportunity to buy more AAPL before the next leg up. I am a shareholder of AAPL, and I plan on buying more before Q3 earnings.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":205,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":187623670,"gmtCreate":1623752736090,"gmtModify":1704210529397,"author":{"id":"3574168861827591","authorId":"3574168861827591","name":"Jaykay","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"3574168861827591","authorIdStr":"3574168861827591"},"themes":[],"htmlText":":(","listText":":(","text":":(","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/187623670","repostId":"2143753193","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"2143753193","kind":"news","pubTimestamp":1623725580,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/2143753193?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2021-06-15 10:53","market":"sg","language":"en","title":"Apple back under the microscope over Trump-era subpoenas","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2143753193","media":"BusinessDay","summary":"Washington — Apple  is facing renewed scrutiny in Washington over its compliance with secret Trump-e","content":"<div>\n<p>Washington — Apple  is facing renewed scrutiny in Washington over its compliance with secret Trump-era subpoenas for user data on more than 100 users including US legislators, highlighting the bind ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://www.businesslive.co.za/bd/companies/2021-06-15-apple-back-under-the-microscope-over-trump-era-subpoenas/\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n","source":"businessday_stock","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; 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The senate judiciary committee also said it would look into the matter.Technology companies are already facing criticism for their economic power, privacy policies and role in public discourse. With this episode, policymakers will turn their attention to risks involved with the sheer amount of user data tech companies divulge when served with routine subpoenas, according to privacy experts.“The explosion in digital data that is held by internet companies and other third parties has made these subpoenas much more powerful and much more intrusive on people’s privacy,” said Elizabeth Goitein of the Liberty & National Security Programme at the Brennan Centre for Justice. “We rely on companies that hold this data to stand up for us and protect our interests and our privacy rights in response to these kinds of demands, and it’s not always clear that they have the incentive to do that.”The justice department is already investigating Apple’s app store practices, Bloomberg has reported, which have also been questioned by Congress.Gag orderApple, which touts its security and privacy protections to customers, last month notified Democratic representatives Schiff and Eric Swalwell, as well as house intelligence committee staff, that their user information was the subject of a gag order that expired after being renewed three times.The iPhone maker also informed former White House counsel Don McGahn last month that the company handed over his user information in response to a subpoena, according to a person familiar with the investigation. The New York Times earlier reported that Apple had turned over McGahn’s records and had been subpoenaed for the accounts of the Democratic legislators.Apple said Friday that it did not know at the time that the list of about 100 customers in the subpoenas included the legislators and said that it provided metadata and subscriber information, but not the content of e-mails or pictures.Microsoft  confirmed it got a similar subpoena and said it was barred from notifying the individuals due to a gag order. Alphabet’s Google did not answer a question about whether it was subpoenaed in this case, but a spokesperson  pointed to the company’s policy for responding to government requests for user information, which says the company often tries to narrow the request and occasionally resists providing any information.Google said it received 15,537 subpoenas in the US in the first six months of 2020, but did not disclose how it responded to all of them.Schiff said he wants to better understand when and how companies respond to subpoenas for different kinds of users, and how nondisclosure orders work in practice.“It certainly was distressing to see that among some tech policies they had a different policy with respect to their corporate clients than they do to average citizens or even members of the Congress,” said Schiff. “We intend to learn more about the tech practices.”Mobile phone and e-mail data held by a third party — in this case, Apple — is different from the landline phone or bank records that would have been subpoenaed in the past, according to Julian Sanchez, a tech and privacy expert at the Cato Institute, a libertarian think-tank. Even turning over the time, date and length of calls and texts — without the content of those messages — could reveal critical information about a user’s activity, Sanchez said.“The metadata in these cases is giving you a level of visibility into the nature of those communications and the potential relationship that doesn’t really exist with a telephone record,” Sanchez said.Subpoenas are easy to obtain, Sanchez said. They can be issued for the information of someone merely relevant to the investigation, he said, arguing that the standard should be much higher to obtain such personal details. The Fourth Amendment of the US constitution protects against “searches and seizures” without a warrant, said Sanchez, noting that certain internet data should meet the standard to be constitutionally protected.Demanding personal information about an individual from a company is also problematic if the person isn’t aware that they have been targeted, according to legal experts. In this case, Apple said that it was given a one-year gag order along with the subpoenas, which was then extended.Microsoft president and chief legal officer Brad Smith on Monday urged legislators to limit this sort of of nondisclosure order that prevents a company from telling a user when their information is sought by law enforcement. Microsoft in 2016 filed a case against the justice department related to this issue and a year later the department issued new guidelines it said would scale back the practice of these kinds of confidential orders.“If we fail to do so, we undermine long-standing fundamental freedoms in the country and frankly, for those of us in the tech sector, we’re put in the middle and that’s not where we should be,” Smith said in an interview with Bloomberg TV. “This should be an issue where the government has to go most of the time to the individuals whose information they are seeking.”Illinois representative Raja Krishnamoorthi, a Democrat on the intelligence committee, said even though Apple has positioned itself as a leader in privacy practices, there is not much the company can do to protect metadata from a lawful subpoena or, in this case, notify users that they were targeted.“The big question mark is did they attempt to fight the gag order and, if not, why not,” Krishnamoorthi said. “In this particular case it’s problematic, and a shocking use of a subpoena.”Bloomberg News. More stories like this are available on bloomberg.com","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":326,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":187629471,"gmtCreate":1623752712893,"gmtModify":1704210528425,"author":{"id":"3574168861827591","authorId":"3574168861827591","name":"Jaykay","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"3574168861827591","authorIdStr":"3574168861827591"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"????","listText":"????","text":"????","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/187629471","repostId":"1106218942","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"1106218942","kind":"news","pubTimestamp":1623734282,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/1106218942?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2021-06-15 13:18","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Tesla Takes A Step Back","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1106218942","media":"seekingalpha","summary":"Model S Plaid event falls a bit flat.Last week was supposed to be a good time for fans of Tesla , with the company finally holding its meaningfully delayed Model S Plaid reveal event. Fans and investors were not only looking to see the latest performance details, but were hoping for other big surprises from the automaker. Unfortunately, the company's event was pretty much a dud, and other news out during the week raised even more questions about the company's near term future.I'm more curious th","content":"<p><b>Summary</b></p>\n<ul>\n <li>Company loses its second most important executive.</li>\n <li>Model S Plaid event falls a bit flat.</li>\n <li>Stock can't make meaningful move above key technical level.</li>\n</ul>\n<p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/707bb99dcaa93d75f576a78ef1ecd11c\" tg-width=\"768\" tg-height=\"512\"><span>jetcityimage/iStock Editorial via Getty Images</span></p>\n<p>Last week was supposed to be a good time for fans of Tesla (TSLA), with the company finally holding its meaningfully delayed Model S Plaid reveal event. Fans and investors were not only looking to see the latest performance details, but were hoping for other big surprises from the automaker. Unfortunately, the company's event was pretty much a dud, and other news out during the week raised even more questions about the company's near term future.</p>\n<p>Perhaps the biggest surprise to many&nbsp;was the departure&nbsp;of Jerome Guillen, the head of the heavy trucking division. Back in March, Guillen got that new title after formerly being the head of automotive. I had said then that this was a demotion, as he was leaving the bulk of Tesla's business&nbsp;for a niche segment&nbsp;with no revenues yet, but Tesla fans told me I was wrong. Well, now the company's second most important executive is definitely gone, leading many to question the future of the Tesla Semi.</p>\n<p>I'm more curious though if Guillen's departure raises a major question about Tesla's battery ambitions. The Semi was supposed to be here in 2019 with the new Roadster a year later, and neither are here yet. Both were dependent on Tesla's next generation battery, and just a week ago&nbsp;the company cancelled&nbsp;its Model S Plaid Plus. Elon Musk said that Plaid was just too good, but perhaps Tesla couldn't get the batteries needed to meet promised range specs? There have been questions for years about the numbers Tesla has given for the Semi, Roadster, etc. I should also note that while not totally related, the new Long Range Model S has seen its estimated range&nbsp;on the website configurator&nbsp;reduced from 412 to 405 miles since its soft launch a few months ago.</p>\n<p>The second item to think about is what's happening with Tesla sales in China. As the graphic below shows, the first two months of Q2 2020 saw the lowest first two months sales in that country in the last three quarters. Yes, Tesla is exporting a large number of vehicles to other markets, more than 11,500 Model 3 units in May. However, the original plan for the Shanghai factory was&nbsp;to serve China only&nbsp;with affordable 3/Y units. More expensive variants were to be produced in the US, and Tesla can't even sell out China production in its home market. Delivery estimates in that country remain at 1-3 weeks for both the 3 and Y, and new reports suggest&nbsp;loan rates have been slashed&nbsp;if you take delivery this month, implying that demand just isn't where management expected it to be.</p>\n<p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/c75e330376fd6f9a20e5e006f359508f\" tg-width=\"516\" tg-height=\"181\"><span>(Source: Carsalesbase,and Moneyball Twitter)</span></p>\n<p>Later in the week, Tesla finally unveiled the new Model S Plaid after months of delays, at an event&nbsp;that was more hype&nbsp;than anything else. A few things stated by the CEO didn't match up with the graphics behind him during the presentation, and it was&nbsp;reported earlier in the day&nbsp;that the vehicle can't even do the promised 200mph at this point. If you're in the market for a $130,000 vehicle that you only want to take to the track, however, then maybe this is for you.</p>\n<p>The Model S event was not a great show for electric vehicles overall in my opinion. Elon Musk boasted that the Plaid can get 187 miles of range with 15 minutes of charging, but a decent family gas-powered sedan can get 700 miles of highway range in a 5 minute gas stop. This is not going to be a high volume vehicle that will add anything meaningful to Tesla's financials, especially as the high end EV segment continues to become more crowded. Remember, this event was only after numerous delays, and Tesla's Model S page linked above still shows June availability for this new vehicle. Elon Musk highlighting some new features that will eventually help if Tesla solves its full self-driving ambitions, but that timeline remains uncertain.</p>\n<p>One other item that some investors continue to fret about is Tesla's Bitcoin position. With the cryptocurrency falling tremendously from its all-time high, the company could have left more than a billion dollars on the table by not selling it all already. While that doesn't represent a large portion of the company's cash, it would have made a nice profit, and now the position is getting closer to facing impairment charges. In the end, the concern is that the Bitcoin position takes some focus away from management and has been a major distraction for investors.</p>\n<p>Last week, Tesla shares finished up a little more than $10. A gain of almost 2% may not have been satisfying for the bulls given the company's big event. However, I'm more disappointed in the stock because the 10-Year US Treasury bond yield dropped by 10 basis points last week, which should have really helped Tesla shares and other big growth names to rally. Also, the stock has still not been able to make a major move away from its 200-day moving average (purple line) as seen in the chart below. The gap between that long term trend line and its shorter term technical counterpart is now less than $44 after peaking at nearly $320 earlier this year. This means that the dreaded death cross is more and more likely to happen in the coming weeks.</p>\n<p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/4c236196cd82611a795260278e4a2d92\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"270\"><span>(Source: Yahoo! Finance)</span></p>\n<p>In the end, last week probably wasn't the one that Tesla fans and investors were really hoping for. The company lost its second most important executive, which puts into question progress on the Semi and other new battery related programs. Additionally, China sales haven't progressed much on their own, definitely not to the point where that factory only supplies to that country. Late in the week, the Model S event was not very exciting, and did little to energize the stock. At the same time, investors still fret over the Bitcoin position, while shares remain unable to make a solid move above their long term moving average. It probably will be a few weeks until we get a new catalyst to watch, with the Q2 production and delivery report scheduled for early July.</p>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Tesla Takes A Step Back</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nTesla Takes A Step Back\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2021-06-15 13:18 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://seekingalpha.com/article/4434829-tesla-takes-a-step-back><strong>seekingalpha</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>Summary\n\nCompany loses its second most important executive.\nModel S Plaid event falls a bit flat.\nStock can't make meaningful move above key technical level.\n\njetcityimage/iStock Editorial via Getty ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4434829-tesla-takes-a-step-back\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"TSLA":"特斯拉"},"source_url":"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4434829-tesla-takes-a-step-back","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1106218942","content_text":"Summary\n\nCompany loses its second most important executive.\nModel S Plaid event falls a bit flat.\nStock can't make meaningful move above key technical level.\n\njetcityimage/iStock Editorial via Getty Images\nLast week was supposed to be a good time for fans of Tesla (TSLA), with the company finally holding its meaningfully delayed Model S Plaid reveal event. Fans and investors were not only looking to see the latest performance details, but were hoping for other big surprises from the automaker. Unfortunately, the company's event was pretty much a dud, and other news out during the week raised even more questions about the company's near term future.\nPerhaps the biggest surprise to many was the departure of Jerome Guillen, the head of the heavy trucking division. Back in March, Guillen got that new title after formerly being the head of automotive. I had said then that this was a demotion, as he was leaving the bulk of Tesla's business for a niche segment with no revenues yet, but Tesla fans told me I was wrong. Well, now the company's second most important executive is definitely gone, leading many to question the future of the Tesla Semi.\nI'm more curious though if Guillen's departure raises a major question about Tesla's battery ambitions. The Semi was supposed to be here in 2019 with the new Roadster a year later, and neither are here yet. Both were dependent on Tesla's next generation battery, and just a week ago the company cancelled its Model S Plaid Plus. Elon Musk said that Plaid was just too good, but perhaps Tesla couldn't get the batteries needed to meet promised range specs? There have been questions for years about the numbers Tesla has given for the Semi, Roadster, etc. I should also note that while not totally related, the new Long Range Model S has seen its estimated range on the website configurator reduced from 412 to 405 miles since its soft launch a few months ago.\nThe second item to think about is what's happening with Tesla sales in China. As the graphic below shows, the first two months of Q2 2020 saw the lowest first two months sales in that country in the last three quarters. Yes, Tesla is exporting a large number of vehicles to other markets, more than 11,500 Model 3 units in May. However, the original plan for the Shanghai factory was to serve China only with affordable 3/Y units. More expensive variants were to be produced in the US, and Tesla can't even sell out China production in its home market. Delivery estimates in that country remain at 1-3 weeks for both the 3 and Y, and new reports suggest loan rates have been slashed if you take delivery this month, implying that demand just isn't where management expected it to be.\n(Source: Carsalesbase,and Moneyball Twitter)\nLater in the week, Tesla finally unveiled the new Model S Plaid after months of delays, at an event that was more hype than anything else. A few things stated by the CEO didn't match up with the graphics behind him during the presentation, and it was reported earlier in the day that the vehicle can't even do the promised 200mph at this point. If you're in the market for a $130,000 vehicle that you only want to take to the track, however, then maybe this is for you.\nThe Model S event was not a great show for electric vehicles overall in my opinion. Elon Musk boasted that the Plaid can get 187 miles of range with 15 minutes of charging, but a decent family gas-powered sedan can get 700 miles of highway range in a 5 minute gas stop. This is not going to be a high volume vehicle that will add anything meaningful to Tesla's financials, especially as the high end EV segment continues to become more crowded. Remember, this event was only after numerous delays, and Tesla's Model S page linked above still shows June availability for this new vehicle. Elon Musk highlighting some new features that will eventually help if Tesla solves its full self-driving ambitions, but that timeline remains uncertain.\nOne other item that some investors continue to fret about is Tesla's Bitcoin position. With the cryptocurrency falling tremendously from its all-time high, the company could have left more than a billion dollars on the table by not selling it all already. While that doesn't represent a large portion of the company's cash, it would have made a nice profit, and now the position is getting closer to facing impairment charges. In the end, the concern is that the Bitcoin position takes some focus away from management and has been a major distraction for investors.\nLast week, Tesla shares finished up a little more than $10. A gain of almost 2% may not have been satisfying for the bulls given the company's big event. However, I'm more disappointed in the stock because the 10-Year US Treasury bond yield dropped by 10 basis points last week, which should have really helped Tesla shares and other big growth names to rally. Also, the stock has still not been able to make a major move away from its 200-day moving average (purple line) as seen in the chart below. The gap between that long term trend line and its shorter term technical counterpart is now less than $44 after peaking at nearly $320 earlier this year. This means that the dreaded death cross is more and more likely to happen in the coming weeks.\n(Source: Yahoo! Finance)\nIn the end, last week probably wasn't the one that Tesla fans and investors were really hoping for. The company lost its second most important executive, which puts into question progress on the Semi and other new battery related programs. Additionally, China sales haven't progressed much on their own, definitely not to the point where that factory only supplies to that country. Late in the week, the Model S event was not very exciting, and did little to energize the stock. At the same time, investors still fret over the Bitcoin position, while shares remain unable to make a solid move above their long term moving average. It probably will be a few weeks until we get a new catalyst to watch, with the Q2 production and delivery report scheduled for early July.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":169,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":187629393,"gmtCreate":1623752677712,"gmtModify":1704210527295,"author":{"id":"3574168861827591","authorId":"3574168861827591","name":"Jaykay","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"3574168861827591","authorIdStr":"3574168861827591"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"?","listText":"?","text":"?","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/187629393","repostId":"1130157766","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"1130157766","kind":"news","pubTimestamp":1623743342,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/1130157766?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2021-06-15 15:49","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Nvidia's Crypto Concerns Are Cancelled, Gaming To Reign Supreme","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1130157766","media":"seekingalpha","summary":"Summary\n\nNvidia's massive FQ2 guidance raise brings bears (back) to the crypto talking point.\nBut if","content":"<p><b>Summary</b></p>\n<ul>\n <li>Nvidia's massive FQ2 guidance raise brings bears (back) to the crypto talking point.</li>\n <li>But if they move to crypto, they admit RTX 3000 series cards have been selling in droves - negating any paper launch theories.</li>\n <li>Management, though, is now becoming much more transparent with crypto revenue as it dives directly into the growing market.</li>\n <li>The market can now assess the at-risk revenue and understand the risk-adjusted return for Nvidia, which is why the stock has risen in the face of growing crypto revenue.</li>\n <li>There won't be any cannibalizing of Gaming division revenue as gamers will now take up the slack with RTX 30XX making up less than 4% of the market.</li>\n</ul>\n<p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/00e894af87a4cdb30b9a1f647d2ee42d\" tg-width=\"1536\" tg-height=\"1024\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"><span>StefaNikolic/E+ via Getty Images</span></p>\n<p>Another record quarter was put on the table just over two weeks ago when Nvidia (NVDA) announced even better revenue than even it anticipated&nbsp;in a late quarter update. But the guide was even more out of this world, showing analysts they're way off base in their models. This is causing the bears to move from one argument to another as each gets debunked through raw financial numbers. But now they're walking into a crypto debate where the bulls have more transparency and data on their side than any other time. Unfortunately, the crypto bear thesis is not the one to take this time around. Gaming revenue growth will not slow as there's a huge RTX 3000 series opportunity with less than 4% of the GPU market share, just as supply receives a much-needed reprieve with crypto migrating to a new SKU altogether. The market appreciates the mitigated risk with crypto revenue transparency, allowing the stock to sustain a premium valuation.</p>\n<p><b>Paper Launch, Remember?</b></p>\n<p>At first, the bears postulated the RTX 3000 series debut was a paper launch because there was such limited supply. Gamers across the internet were up in arms because so few cards could be bought, sold out everywhere. Limited supply has continued to plague the 3000 series since then.</p>\n<p>But Gaming revenue has gone from $1.65B before the RTX 3000 launch to $2.76B in the latest quarter, causing this bear talking point to fade over the last several months.</p>\n<p>If the 3000 cards were so limited in supply, what accounts for the consistent monstrous quarter-over-quarter growth in the Gaming division?</p>\n<p>Ah, I'm glad you asked.</p>\n<p>It's clearly the selling of more than just a few (paper) RTX 3000 cards.</p>\n<p><b>Crypto Is The Talking Point, Again</b></p>\n<p>That question brings us to the latest bear talking point - crypto. If the bears move to this point, they have given up on the paper launch argument. That's because to mine crypto, you need a powerful GPU, and that powerful GPU is an RTX 3000 series card. So either there are very few 3000 series being sold (paper launch) - which doesn't allow a crypto bubble to be an issue - or there are indeed enough 3000 cards to meaningfully show up on the top line and debate how much is due to crypto-related sales.</p>\n<p>But the crypto debate is much harder to prove for either side. Historically it has been a bit of a closed box in terms of what cards have been sold to crypto miners and which ones have gotten into \"real\" gamers' hands. The bears can point to this and say that whatever RTX 3000 series cards have been sold over the last several months were for crypto mining.</p>\n<p>And you might be wondering, \"Why is this a big deal? Revenue is revenue, regardless of who's buying the card.\"</p>\n<p>This might be true if it wasn't for the volatile nature of the cryptocurrency world. Mining crypto is a profitability equation of how high the hash rate of a processor is (how fast it can complete the crypto calculations on the blockchain to receive a reward) and how much that particular crypto is worth on the market. The higher the crypto price, the higher the incentive to mine (the reward is bigger in pure dollar terms).</p>\n<p>But in 2018, after the \"crypto bubble\" deflated when the price of Bitcoin (BTC-USD) and Ethereum (ETH-USD) plummeted 85% from then all-time highs, Nvidia's revenue took a hit. Suddenly the cards of 2018 were not profitable to mine at depressed prices. It appeared a lot of the Gaming division sales were tied to crypto, or at least enough to knock growth off-kilter. As a result, the company experienced negative top-line growth throughout the following year.</p>\n<p>This is why the word crypto spoken by management, along with the crypto volatility with Bitcoin and Ethereum 50% off the latest all-time highs, brings a shiver down the market's spine.</p>\n<p>It sees 2018 playing out all over again.</p>\n<p><b>Facing The Crypto Thesis Head On</b></p>\n<p>However, bulls have more data over the last two quarters than they did in the 2018 crypt bust, with the strongest talking point to date coming just a few weeks ago. That point is the new RTX 3000 SKUs which will physically limit the hash rate of the cards, deterring miners from buying cards and opening up supply to gamers for typical GPU use.</p>\n<p>But if crypto is a major part of Gaming division revenue and the company is going to hardware limit the hash rates to make them unprofitable to mine crypto, future Gaming revenue will undoubtedly suffer.</p>\n<p>Right?</p>\n<p>Apparently not; guidance isn't telling us that story. With the current quarter running from May through July and the&nbsp;new \"hash lite\" RTX cards shipping at the end of May, guidance was still $6.3B in revenue versus The Street consensus of $5.48B.</p>\n<p>The hidden gem in the guide was the additional data bulls have needed for some time: a breakdown of revenue from CMPs (crypto mining processors). The company created CMPs to serve the industrial crypto mining community to provide better performance (by focusing processing power specifically on hashing and removing graphic rendering capabilities) and separate the supply between miners and gamers. This works to benefit investors as this breakdown of revenue allows for better risk analysis of overall revenue.</p>\n<p>And that is the key to the crypto cycle this time around.</p>\n<p>The&nbsp;guide for FQ2 included $400M of revenue for CMP products&nbsp;(as shown under the OEM/Other category). You might see this as a huge risk (relative to overall revenue), but this has now made the risk a solid number. Before this CMP breakdown, the market and analysts had to rely on rough estimates based in wide ranges to understand how much the Gaming division had downside risk built into it due to crypto.</p>\n<p>Why has the market responded positively to the expected 158% quarter-over-quarter growth, which follows 114% sequential growth in the just reported quarter for CMP? Because the market can assess the risk to the downside now - uncertainty has been mitigated.</p>\n<p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/10c92c645e86c40c1af4be579b56fab8\" tg-width=\"635\" tg-height=\"403\"><span>Data byYCharts</span></p>\n<p>The market knows $400M is the mark now. The rest of the divisions are more understood, and channel checks are more accurate there. The question mark has been crypto, and the company is now being the most transparent about it.</p>\n<p><b>Outlook For Gaming</b></p>\n<p>This then begs the question: how much will be cannibalized from the Gaming division?</p>\n<p>Not much if we continue doing the math on the FQ2 guide. After backing out the $400M of CMP sales, we're left with a guide of $5.9B. That's still $420M of outperformance analysts didn't account for, while the Gaming division will technically see two \"hits\" to its growth, each for the same reason. Not only is there a separate product line for crypto, but the RTX cards will also have their inherent mining performance throttled. This should provide no reason to continue using RTX cards as the best value for mining (relatively cheap compared to ASICs with still profitable processing power).</p>\n<p>Of course, not all of the $420M guidance raise is for Gaming. Still, considering it's the largest division with 48% of revenue in the last quarter, it stands that analysts will meaningfully raise estimates for the Gaming division.</p>\n<p>But then, where's the Gaming growth coming from in the quarters ahead?</p>\n<p>Gamers will be the clear demand driver now. Supply should now make its way toward the gamers who have been trying to get a 3000 series card for the last eight months. You don't have to Google very much to find folks still patiently - and impatiently - waiting for their 3000 series card.</p>\n<p>There's a huge runway for upgrades from prior RTX cards and GTX cards as the market penetration of RTX 30XX cards is still less than 4%, around 3.64%, according to Steam's monthly hardware survey. And that's growing each month since January across the SKU board. This compares to the current gamer market share of all other Nvidia cards of 68.6%.</p>\n<p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/828d8670b5f989162d31b002ead58ab0\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"109\"><span>(Source:Steam Hardware Survey)</span></p>\n<p>And if you're concerned about the lack of upgrades from RTX 20XX cards since they're only one generation behind, the non-RTX portion of the market makes up 55.11%. So there's a huge greenfield for upgrades to the 3000 series ahead with supply opening up to the real gamers.</p>\n<p><b>Outperformance To Continue</b></p>\n<p>Management has been tackling the market's concerns head-on, contrary to 2018. It has been able to capitalize on a strained crypto market because its GPU-based CMP processors are above and beyond anything anyone has ever produced. This time it did it correctly with much better transparency - the market appreciates the calculated risk.</p>\n<p>There's still further bullishness as Nvidia enters a crypto market dominated by ASICs, which tend to have very limited supply and very long lead times. Nvidia is capitalizing on the market using its larger contract position with fabs like Taiwan Semiconductor (TSM) and Samsung (OTC:SSNLF)(OTC:SSNNF) to produce competitive mining processors.</p>\n<p>Eventually, the transition of Ethereum (ETH-USD) to proof-of-stake from proof-of-work may serve as a headwind rather than a tailwind. Still, this risk is much further out as not only will the transition start in early 2022, but miners are expected to remain on the network&nbsp;for at least a year after the transition.</p>\n<p>It comes down to this: if the market has the data it needs to calculate the at-risk revenue easily, the market won't be as skittish to value Nvidia at the multiples it has grown to. Add in the huge upside to revenue for FQ2 with gamers now able to dive into the consumer market more fully, and you have a continuation for the Gaming division to outperform through at least year-end, if not well into 2022. For a long-term shareholder, there are further returns ahead for the stock.</p>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Nvidia's Crypto Concerns Are Cancelled, Gaming To Reign Supreme</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nNvidia's Crypto Concerns Are Cancelled, Gaming To Reign Supreme\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2021-06-15 15:49 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://seekingalpha.com/article/4434754-nvidias-crypto-concerns-are-cancelled-gaming-to-reign-supreme><strong>seekingalpha</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>Summary\n\nNvidia's massive FQ2 guidance raise brings bears (back) to the crypto talking point.\nBut if they move to crypto, they admit RTX 3000 series cards have been selling in droves - negating any ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4434754-nvidias-crypto-concerns-are-cancelled-gaming-to-reign-supreme\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"NVDA":"英伟达"},"source_url":"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4434754-nvidias-crypto-concerns-are-cancelled-gaming-to-reign-supreme","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1130157766","content_text":"Summary\n\nNvidia's massive FQ2 guidance raise brings bears (back) to the crypto talking point.\nBut if they move to crypto, they admit RTX 3000 series cards have been selling in droves - negating any paper launch theories.\nManagement, though, is now becoming much more transparent with crypto revenue as it dives directly into the growing market.\nThe market can now assess the at-risk revenue and understand the risk-adjusted return for Nvidia, which is why the stock has risen in the face of growing crypto revenue.\nThere won't be any cannibalizing of Gaming division revenue as gamers will now take up the slack with RTX 30XX making up less than 4% of the market.\n\nStefaNikolic/E+ via Getty Images\nAnother record quarter was put on the table just over two weeks ago when Nvidia (NVDA) announced even better revenue than even it anticipated in a late quarter update. But the guide was even more out of this world, showing analysts they're way off base in their models. This is causing the bears to move from one argument to another as each gets debunked through raw financial numbers. But now they're walking into a crypto debate where the bulls have more transparency and data on their side than any other time. Unfortunately, the crypto bear thesis is not the one to take this time around. Gaming revenue growth will not slow as there's a huge RTX 3000 series opportunity with less than 4% of the GPU market share, just as supply receives a much-needed reprieve with crypto migrating to a new SKU altogether. The market appreciates the mitigated risk with crypto revenue transparency, allowing the stock to sustain a premium valuation.\nPaper Launch, Remember?\nAt first, the bears postulated the RTX 3000 series debut was a paper launch because there was such limited supply. Gamers across the internet were up in arms because so few cards could be bought, sold out everywhere. Limited supply has continued to plague the 3000 series since then.\nBut Gaming revenue has gone from $1.65B before the RTX 3000 launch to $2.76B in the latest quarter, causing this bear talking point to fade over the last several months.\nIf the 3000 cards were so limited in supply, what accounts for the consistent monstrous quarter-over-quarter growth in the Gaming division?\nAh, I'm glad you asked.\nIt's clearly the selling of more than just a few (paper) RTX 3000 cards.\nCrypto Is The Talking Point, Again\nThat question brings us to the latest bear talking point - crypto. If the bears move to this point, they have given up on the paper launch argument. That's because to mine crypto, you need a powerful GPU, and that powerful GPU is an RTX 3000 series card. So either there are very few 3000 series being sold (paper launch) - which doesn't allow a crypto bubble to be an issue - or there are indeed enough 3000 cards to meaningfully show up on the top line and debate how much is due to crypto-related sales.\nBut the crypto debate is much harder to prove for either side. Historically it has been a bit of a closed box in terms of what cards have been sold to crypto miners and which ones have gotten into \"real\" gamers' hands. The bears can point to this and say that whatever RTX 3000 series cards have been sold over the last several months were for crypto mining.\nAnd you might be wondering, \"Why is this a big deal? Revenue is revenue, regardless of who's buying the card.\"\nThis might be true if it wasn't for the volatile nature of the cryptocurrency world. Mining crypto is a profitability equation of how high the hash rate of a processor is (how fast it can complete the crypto calculations on the blockchain to receive a reward) and how much that particular crypto is worth on the market. The higher the crypto price, the higher the incentive to mine (the reward is bigger in pure dollar terms).\nBut in 2018, after the \"crypto bubble\" deflated when the price of Bitcoin (BTC-USD) and Ethereum (ETH-USD) plummeted 85% from then all-time highs, Nvidia's revenue took a hit. Suddenly the cards of 2018 were not profitable to mine at depressed prices. It appeared a lot of the Gaming division sales were tied to crypto, or at least enough to knock growth off-kilter. As a result, the company experienced negative top-line growth throughout the following year.\nThis is why the word crypto spoken by management, along with the crypto volatility with Bitcoin and Ethereum 50% off the latest all-time highs, brings a shiver down the market's spine.\nIt sees 2018 playing out all over again.\nFacing The Crypto Thesis Head On\nHowever, bulls have more data over the last two quarters than they did in the 2018 crypt bust, with the strongest talking point to date coming just a few weeks ago. That point is the new RTX 3000 SKUs which will physically limit the hash rate of the cards, deterring miners from buying cards and opening up supply to gamers for typical GPU use.\nBut if crypto is a major part of Gaming division revenue and the company is going to hardware limit the hash rates to make them unprofitable to mine crypto, future Gaming revenue will undoubtedly suffer.\nRight?\nApparently not; guidance isn't telling us that story. With the current quarter running from May through July and the new \"hash lite\" RTX cards shipping at the end of May, guidance was still $6.3B in revenue versus The Street consensus of $5.48B.\nThe hidden gem in the guide was the additional data bulls have needed for some time: a breakdown of revenue from CMPs (crypto mining processors). The company created CMPs to serve the industrial crypto mining community to provide better performance (by focusing processing power specifically on hashing and removing graphic rendering capabilities) and separate the supply between miners and gamers. This works to benefit investors as this breakdown of revenue allows for better risk analysis of overall revenue.\nAnd that is the key to the crypto cycle this time around.\nThe guide for FQ2 included $400M of revenue for CMP products (as shown under the OEM/Other category). You might see this as a huge risk (relative to overall revenue), but this has now made the risk a solid number. Before this CMP breakdown, the market and analysts had to rely on rough estimates based in wide ranges to understand how much the Gaming division had downside risk built into it due to crypto.\nWhy has the market responded positively to the expected 158% quarter-over-quarter growth, which follows 114% sequential growth in the just reported quarter for CMP? Because the market can assess the risk to the downside now - uncertainty has been mitigated.\nData byYCharts\nThe market knows $400M is the mark now. The rest of the divisions are more understood, and channel checks are more accurate there. The question mark has been crypto, and the company is now being the most transparent about it.\nOutlook For Gaming\nThis then begs the question: how much will be cannibalized from the Gaming division?\nNot much if we continue doing the math on the FQ2 guide. After backing out the $400M of CMP sales, we're left with a guide of $5.9B. That's still $420M of outperformance analysts didn't account for, while the Gaming division will technically see two \"hits\" to its growth, each for the same reason. Not only is there a separate product line for crypto, but the RTX cards will also have their inherent mining performance throttled. This should provide no reason to continue using RTX cards as the best value for mining (relatively cheap compared to ASICs with still profitable processing power).\nOf course, not all of the $420M guidance raise is for Gaming. Still, considering it's the largest division with 48% of revenue in the last quarter, it stands that analysts will meaningfully raise estimates for the Gaming division.\nBut then, where's the Gaming growth coming from in the quarters ahead?\nGamers will be the clear demand driver now. Supply should now make its way toward the gamers who have been trying to get a 3000 series card for the last eight months. You don't have to Google very much to find folks still patiently - and impatiently - waiting for their 3000 series card.\nThere's a huge runway for upgrades from prior RTX cards and GTX cards as the market penetration of RTX 30XX cards is still less than 4%, around 3.64%, according to Steam's monthly hardware survey. And that's growing each month since January across the SKU board. This compares to the current gamer market share of all other Nvidia cards of 68.6%.\n(Source:Steam Hardware Survey)\nAnd if you're concerned about the lack of upgrades from RTX 20XX cards since they're only one generation behind, the non-RTX portion of the market makes up 55.11%. So there's a huge greenfield for upgrades to the 3000 series ahead with supply opening up to the real gamers.\nOutperformance To Continue\nManagement has been tackling the market's concerns head-on, contrary to 2018. It has been able to capitalize on a strained crypto market because its GPU-based CMP processors are above and beyond anything anyone has ever produced. This time it did it correctly with much better transparency - the market appreciates the calculated risk.\nThere's still further bullishness as Nvidia enters a crypto market dominated by ASICs, which tend to have very limited supply and very long lead times. Nvidia is capitalizing on the market using its larger contract position with fabs like Taiwan Semiconductor (TSM) and Samsung (OTC:SSNLF)(OTC:SSNNF) to produce competitive mining processors.\nEventually, the transition of Ethereum (ETH-USD) to proof-of-stake from proof-of-work may serve as a headwind rather than a tailwind. Still, this risk is much further out as not only will the transition start in early 2022, but miners are expected to remain on the network for at least a year after the transition.\nIt comes down to this: if the market has the data it needs to calculate the at-risk revenue easily, the market won't be as skittish to value Nvidia at the multiples it has grown to. Add in the huge upside to revenue for FQ2 with gamers now able to dive into the consumer market more fully, and you have a continuation for the Gaming division to outperform through at least year-end, if not well into 2022. 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The EU Court of Justice (CJEU) ruling could encourage national agencies to act against U.S. tech companies such as Google   , Twitter    and Apple   , which all have their European Union headquarters in Ireland.   Many national watchdogs in the 27-member European Union have long complained about their Irish counterpart, saying that it takes too long to decide on cases.    Ireland has dismissed this, saying it has to be extra meticulous in dealing with powerful and well-funded tech giants.   The CJEU got involved after a Belgian court sought guidance on Facebook's challenge against the territorial competence of the Belgian data watchdog's bid to stop it from tracking users in Belgium through cookies stored in the company's social plug-ins, regardless of whether they have an account or not.   \"Under certain conditions, a national supervisory authority may exercise its power to bring any alleged infringement of the GDPR before a court of a member state, even though that authority is not the lead supervisory authority with regard to that processing,\" the EU Court of Justice (CJEU) said.   Under landmark EU privacy rules known as GDPR, Facebook faces oversight by the Irish privacy authority because it has its European head office in Ireland.    The case is C-645/19 Facebook Ireland & Others. 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