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11-27

Indian are scammers

Apple Contests India's Antitrust Penalty Law with Risk of $38 Billion Fine, Filing Shows

11-13

Just shut the f up

"Big Short" Michael Burry De-Registers Scion Asset Management

11-11

He just need to shut up

Michael Burry Warns of $176 Billion Depreciation Understatement by Tech Giants

09-29

Xiaomi how to fight. Got hardware but no software

Xiaomi 17 Series Update & Analysis From Analyst Ming-Chi Kuo: Shipment Cut, Challenges, and Paths Back to Growth

05-17

Good idea. Shld raise it to 10 percent. If they can pay 18 percent for tips, 5 percent is peanuts.

USA Proposes 5% Tax on Remittances by Non-Citizens – What It Could Mean for Indians

02-15

Just shut up and take your opinion to your grave .

Time To Downgrade Palantir Technologies Over This Insanity

01-30

RIP. You will lose a lot of money.

Palantir: 3 Reasons To Short The Stock

01-16

This guy hoping for Palantir price to drop then he Quietly buy back . Scammer

Palantir: Great Business At A Wrong Price - I Sold My Shares

2024-12-05

Yields will continue to improve and will top estimates.

Nvidia's Pullback: The Calm Before Takeoff

2024-12-05

Palantir will continue to soar to 100+. Don't listen to this kind of useless analyst

Palantir Technologies: Taking Profits Makes Sense (Rating Downgrade)

2024-12-05

They should use Palantir

Grab Holdings Chooses Amazon Web Services as Preferred Cloud Provider

2024-11-20

This guy has zero credibility. He shld go work in the gas station. He is full of that

Is Palantir Stock in Trouble? Jefferies Predicts a 60% Crash

2024-11-20

These are the same analyst who said it was too ex when the stock was right below $30. I am 318% up now. Holding 20k stocks

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2024-10-25

This guy is not trustworthy. He shld shut up

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2024-09-20

Isnt HK = China ?

DBS Sees Wealth Fees Doubling by 2027 as the Rich Head to Asia

2024-08-20

This guy talk nonsense. Sore loser

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2024-07-16

No brain analyst

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2024-04-30

Well fargo cannot be trusted

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2024-03-14

Holding on to 13.5k since $15

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2023-11-23

Sore loser

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09:34</p>\n</div>\n\n</a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<html><head></head><body><ul style=\"\"><li><p>Apple locked in antitrust battles in India, globally</p></li><li><p>Company challenges penalty rules in India</p></li><li><p>Match pushes for high penalty, document shows</p></li></ul><p>Apple is challenging India&#39;s new antitrust penalty law under which the U.S. company could potentially face a fine of up to $38 billion, a court filing at the Delhi High Court, seen by Reuters, shows.</p><p>The challenge is the first against India&#39;s antitrust penalty law that since last year allows the Competition Commission of India <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/CCI\">$(CCI)$</a> to use global turnover when calculating the penalties it imposes on companies for abusing their market dominance.</p><p>Since 2022, Tinder-owner Match MTCH.O and Indian startups have been locked in an antitrust battle with Apple at the CCI, where investigators last year issued a report saying the U.S. 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Recent filings from Scion showed he purchased puts for 1 million shares in the artificial intelligence major, at a notional value of $186.6 million. </p><p>Burry, famous for predicting and trading off the 2008 subprime mortgage crisis, had returned to social media in recent weeks with a cryptic warning on a bubble in the market. He had also criticized major tech and cloud companies for allegedly underreporting the amount of depreciation in their computing assets, mainly chips.</p></body></html>\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"PLTR":"Palantir Technologies Inc."},"source_url":"","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1188410210","content_text":"Investor Michael Burry, famous for calling the 2008 financial crisis, appeared to have de-registered his hedge fund, Scion Asset Management, from the Securities and Exchange Commission this week.Burry also hinted at a big release on November 25, although it was unclear what he was referring to. Burry posted an image on social media that showed Scion’s SEC registration status had been terminated. A letter from Burry to Scion’s investors outlining its closure, dated October 27, also appeared to be circulating on social media. Deregistration from the SEC could also indicate that Burry plans to run Scion as a family office, a type of advisory that does not necessitate a SEC registration.  Burry also clarified on his short position against Palantir, stating that he had spent about $9.2 million to buy options on the stock which will expire only in early-2027. “Each of those doodads let me sell $PLTR at $50 in 2027,” Burry said, referring to the options which will allow him to sell about 5 million shares in Palantir. Earlier reports had focused on the notional value of Burry’s bet against Palantir, which is far greater at $912 million. Burry did not clarify his position against Nvidia. Recent filings from Scion showed he purchased puts for 1 million shares in the artificial intelligence major, at a notional value of $186.6 million. Burry, famous for predicting and trading off the 2008 subprime mortgage crisis, had returned to social media in recent weeks with a cryptic warning on a bubble in the market. 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According to Burry, &#34;hyperscalers&#34; are doing exactly this.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Burry estimates these companies will understate depreciation by $176 billion between 2026-2028. By 2028, he projects  <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/ORCL\">Oracle</a>  will overstate earnings by 26.9% and  <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/META\">Meta Platforms, Inc.</a> by 20.8%. He promised more details would be coming on November 25.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">The &#34;Big Short&#34; investor has been increasingly vocal on social media platform X since October 30, when he posted a cryptic message about bubbles and market participation. That post came just days before he disclosed owning put options on Palantir and NVIDIA.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Burry is not alone in raising these concerns. 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While Pro Max and Pro models have seen incremental orders, they don’t fully offset the order cuts on the standard 17, resulting in the ~20% overall revision.  </p><p>3. Competitive pressure from iPhone: A key reason the Xiaomi 17 standard model is underperforming is Apple’s stronger-than-expected iPhone 17 standard model in the Chinese market.  </p><p>4. Two premium-segment competition challenges for 2026 (Chinese market): 1)  Apple’s iPhone appears to have put the worst behind it in China. Xiaomi will need to face competitive pressure from Apple’s new 2026 models (a new iPhone SE in 1H26 and a new high-end iPhone series in 2H26). 2)  Demand for Huawei’s premium models has been softer than expected due to app-compatibility issues under HarmonyOS NEXT; this is expected to improve in 2026, or Huawei may roll out a broader official reflashing program (back to Android-compatible HarmonyOS).  </p><p>5. What to watch next: If sales of the Xiaomi 17 series during China’s National Day Golden Week do not improve further, lowering prices on select models is one lever to boost total shipments of its premium lineup. Looking ahead to 2026, Xiaomi 18 series competitive strategy and on-device (edge) AI roadmap will be key to whether its premium models can return to growth.</p></body></html>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Xiaomi 17 Series Update & Analysis From Analyst Ming-Chi Kuo: Shipment Cut, Challenges, and Paths Back to Growth</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nXiaomi 17 Series Update & Analysis From Analyst Ming-Chi Kuo: Shipment Cut, Challenges, and Paths Back to Growth\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n<a class=\"head\" href=\"https://laohu8.com/wemedia/1079075236\">\n\n\n<div class=\"h-thumb\" style=\"background-image:url(https://static.tigerbbs.com/8274c5b9d4c2852bfb1c4d6ce16c68ba);background-size:cover;\"></div>\n\n<div class=\"h-content\">\n<p class=\"h-name\">Tiger Newspress </p>\n<p class=\"h-time\">2025-09-29 15:02</p>\n</div>\n\n</a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<html><head></head><body><p>On September 29th, Ming-Chi Kuo, an analyst from TF International Securities, released the latest industry report on  <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/01810\">XIAOMI-W</a>.</p><p>Xiaomi shares fell 2% in Hong Kong trading.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/1c5874dbcf36b8d1a7f81de964d0c95a\" tg-width=\"354\" tg-height=\"93\"/></p><p>1. Shipment plan cut: My latest industry surveys point to a significant ~20% cut for the Xiaomi 17 series shipments (from an original target of ~10M units). If there is no further step-up in pricing or marketing going forward, total shipments for the 17 series could fall below the 15 series’ ~8M units.  </p><p>2. Mix shift behind the cut: The cut is mainly due to weaker-than-expected demand for the standard model. It was expected to account for ~50–55% of total 17 series, but after launch it’s tracking at only ~15–20%. While Pro Max and Pro models have seen incremental orders, they don’t fully offset the order cuts on the standard 17, resulting in the ~20% overall revision.  </p><p>3. Competitive pressure from iPhone: A key reason the Xiaomi 17 standard model is underperforming is Apple’s stronger-than-expected iPhone 17 standard model in the Chinese market.  </p><p>4. Two premium-segment competition challenges for 2026 (Chinese market): 1)  Apple’s iPhone appears to have put the worst behind it in China. Xiaomi will need to face competitive pressure from Apple’s new 2026 models (a new iPhone SE in 1H26 and a new high-end iPhone series in 2H26). 2)  Demand for Huawei’s premium models has been softer than expected due to app-compatibility issues under HarmonyOS NEXT; this is expected to improve in 2026, or Huawei may roll out a broader official reflashing program (back to Android-compatible HarmonyOS).  </p><p>5. What to watch next: If sales of the Xiaomi 17 series during China’s National Day Golden Week do not improve further, lowering prices on select models is one lever to boost total shipments of its premium lineup. Looking ahead to 2026, Xiaomi 18 series competitive strategy and on-device (edge) AI roadmap will be key to whether its premium models can return to growth.</p></body></html>\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"01810":"小米集团-W","XIACY":"小米集团ADR"},"source_url":"","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1187669645","content_text":"On September 29th, Ming-Chi Kuo, an analyst from TF International Securities, released the latest industry report on  XIAOMI-W.Xiaomi shares fell 2% in Hong Kong trading.1. Shipment plan cut: My latest industry surveys point to a significant ~20% cut for the Xiaomi 17 series shipments (from an original target of ~10M units). If there is no further step-up in pricing or marketing going forward, total shipments for the 17 series could fall below the 15 series’ ~8M units.  2. Mix shift behind the cut: The cut is mainly due to weaker-than-expected demand for the standard model. It was expected to account for ~50–55% of total 17 series, but after launch it’s tracking at only ~15–20%. While Pro Max and Pro models have seen incremental orders, they don’t fully offset the order cuts on the standard 17, resulting in the ~20% overall revision.  3. Competitive pressure from iPhone: A key reason the Xiaomi 17 standard model is underperforming is Apple’s stronger-than-expected iPhone 17 standard model in the Chinese market.  4. Two premium-segment competition challenges for 2026 (Chinese market): 1)  Apple’s iPhone appears to have put the worst behind it in China. Xiaomi will need to face competitive pressure from Apple’s new 2026 models (a new iPhone SE in 1H26 and a new high-end iPhone series in 2H26). 2)  Demand for Huawei’s premium models has been softer than expected due to app-compatibility issues under HarmonyOS NEXT; this is expected to improve in 2026, or Huawei may roll out a broader official reflashing program (back to Android-compatible HarmonyOS).  5. What to watch next: If sales of the Xiaomi 17 series during China’s National Day Golden Week do not improve further, lowering prices on select models is one lever to boost total shipments of its premium lineup. 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For non-resident Indians in the US, the proposed tax will apply to any income they earn in the US from investments or stock options as well.</p><p>So take for instance a typical Indian family in the U.S. which sends home $1,000 a month. With the 5% tax, they will be able to send 50 dollars less. Inversely, they will have to send back a lot more money to offset the tax and ensure their monthly remittances to their families here don’t dip.</p><p>The Bill, which has been backed by Republicans, is linked to Trump’s broader economic agenda – and it has sparked off debate in Washington D.C.</p><p>Detractors, especially back here in India, warn that it could push remittances into informal or unregulated channels and make the U.S. less attractive to skilled workers from abroad. Some also argue that this could put pressure on employers to hike salaries just to offset the tax. There is also an argument that the tax unfairly targets legal immigrants, and could damage U.S. ties with countries like India.</p><p>“This levy clearly discriminates against non-US citizens who are contributing to the US economy in the same way as US citizens do. It is interesting to note that it is proposed to be levied by the same country that found India’s Equalisation Levy to be discriminatory!&#34; says Akhilesh Ranjan, former Member CBDT, now with PwC.</p><p>Similarly, Sandeep Jhunjhunwala, M&amp;A Tax Partner at Nangia Andersen LLP says, “A new remittance tax proposal by the House Republicans could significantly impact NRIs and other foreign nationals living in the United States. This represents a notable shift in US tax policy, particularly for foreign workers. By exempting only US citizens and nationals making remittance through qualified remittance transfer provider, the proposal disproportionately affects millions of lawful immigrants including green card holders, work visa holders, and non-resident aliens, many of whom maintain ongoing financial obligations in their home countries.”</p><p>“In addition to personal remittances, the provision could also affect compensation practices. Many foreign nationals receive RSUs as part of their pay packages. When these RSUs vest and are sold, the sales proceeds are often transferred overseas to home country, for personal use, family support, or investment. Under the proposed remittance tax, such transfers even of post-tax proceeds could attract the 5% excise levy, adding a layer of cost to already-taxed income,&#34; Jhunjhunwala added.</p><p>Ajay Rotti, founder of Tax Compass, a tax consultancy firm too believes that the tax has much larger implications. “A new legislative proposal in the United States, officially titled &#34;The One Big Beautiful Bill,&#34; seeks to impose a 5% excise tax on all international remittances sent by non-citizens. This includes individuals on non-immigrant visas such as H-1B and those holding green cards.&#34;</p><p>&#34;The bill aims to generate revenue from outbound remittances by non-citizens and levies a 5% remittance tax on outward remittance from US. The proposed 5% excise tax on international remittances by non-U.S. citizens is detailed in Section 112105 of the proposed Bill. This section outlines the specifics of the tax, including its applicability to non-citizens sending money abroad. The provision requires that the tax be collected by the remittance transfer providers and the remittance transfer providers are responsible for remitting such tax quarterly to the Secretary of the Treasury,” Rotti added.</p><p>Amarpal Chadha, Tax Partner and Mobility Leader, EY India, says, “The newly introduced U.S. bill proposes a 5% tax on remittances outside US and is currently at an early stage of consideration. The measure—if enacted—could place added financial pressure on Indian nationals working in the United States. Many may be forced to re-evaluate their remittance patterns, including the amount and frequency of remittances for the purpose of maintenance of family or investment in India.”</p><p>A senior Indian government official who did not wish to be named said, &#34;if this law is enacted it would amount to tax treaty override. We know that US constitution allows treaty override,  unlike India where more favourable law prevails, but this would be a very unwelcome treaty override from various countries point of views.&#34;</p><p>For now, this tax is just a proposal—but it’s already set alarm bells ringing across quite a few immigrant communities.</p><p></p><p><br/></p></body></html>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>USA Proposes 5% Tax on Remittances by Non-Citizens – What It Could Mean for Indians</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nUSA Proposes 5% Tax on Remittances by Non-Citizens – What It Could Mean for Indians\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n<a class=\"head\" href=\"https://laohu8.com/wemedia/1079075236\">\n\n\n<div class=\"h-thumb\" style=\"background-image:url(https://static.tigerbbs.com/8274c5b9d4c2852bfb1c4d6ce16c68ba);background-size:cover;\"></div>\n\n<div class=\"h-content\">\n<p class=\"h-name\">Tiger Newspress </p>\n<p class=\"h-time\">2025-05-17 17:42</p>\n</div>\n\n</a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<html><head></head><body><p>For many Indian families, it’s been a point of pride – and often livelihood – that their children send money back from the United States. But these families may be in for a bit of a shock – when they see less money in their accounts. That’s because a new tax has been proposed in the US – one that is aimed at these remittances specifically.</p><p>A U.S. bill proposes a 5% excise tax on any remittances that originate in the US to any other country. Indians are among the top three immigrant communities in the US with nearly 2.3 million Indians working there under various visa programmes. And these Indians account for one of the largest sources of remittances into India. In 2023 alone, they sent home over $23 billion.</p><p>But it’s not just H-1B, F-1 visa holders and green card holders who will be affected by the new Bill, if it is passed. For non-resident Indians in the US, the proposed tax will apply to any income they earn in the US from investments or stock options as well.</p><p>So take for instance a typical Indian family in the U.S. which sends home $1,000 a month. With the 5% tax, they will be able to send 50 dollars less. Inversely, they will have to send back a lot more money to offset the tax and ensure their monthly remittances to their families here don’t dip.</p><p>The Bill, which has been backed by Republicans, is linked to Trump’s broader economic agenda – and it has sparked off debate in Washington D.C.</p><p>Detractors, especially back here in India, warn that it could push remittances into informal or unregulated channels and make the U.S. less attractive to skilled workers from abroad. Some also argue that this could put pressure on employers to hike salaries just to offset the tax. There is also an argument that the tax unfairly targets legal immigrants, and could damage U.S. ties with countries like India.</p><p>“This levy clearly discriminates against non-US citizens who are contributing to the US economy in the same way as US citizens do. It is interesting to note that it is proposed to be levied by the same country that found India’s Equalisation Levy to be discriminatory!&#34; says Akhilesh Ranjan, former Member CBDT, now with PwC.</p><p>Similarly, Sandeep Jhunjhunwala, M&amp;A Tax Partner at Nangia Andersen LLP says, “A new remittance tax proposal by the House Republicans could significantly impact NRIs and other foreign nationals living in the United States. This represents a notable shift in US tax policy, particularly for foreign workers. By exempting only US citizens and nationals making remittance through qualified remittance transfer provider, the proposal disproportionately affects millions of lawful immigrants including green card holders, work visa holders, and non-resident aliens, many of whom maintain ongoing financial obligations in their home countries.”</p><p>“In addition to personal remittances, the provision could also affect compensation practices. Many foreign nationals receive RSUs as part of their pay packages. When these RSUs vest and are sold, the sales proceeds are often transferred overseas to home country, for personal use, family support, or investment. Under the proposed remittance tax, such transfers even of post-tax proceeds could attract the 5% excise levy, adding a layer of cost to already-taxed income,&#34; Jhunjhunwala added.</p><p>Ajay Rotti, founder of Tax Compass, a tax consultancy firm too believes that the tax has much larger implications. “A new legislative proposal in the United States, officially titled &#34;The One Big Beautiful Bill,&#34; seeks to impose a 5% excise tax on all international remittances sent by non-citizens. This includes individuals on non-immigrant visas such as H-1B and those holding green cards.&#34;</p><p>&#34;The bill aims to generate revenue from outbound remittances by non-citizens and levies a 5% remittance tax on outward remittance from US. The proposed 5% excise tax on international remittances by non-U.S. citizens is detailed in Section 112105 of the proposed Bill. This section outlines the specifics of the tax, including its applicability to non-citizens sending money abroad. The provision requires that the tax be collected by the remittance transfer providers and the remittance transfer providers are responsible for remitting such tax quarterly to the Secretary of the Treasury,” Rotti added.</p><p>Amarpal Chadha, Tax Partner and Mobility Leader, EY India, says, “The newly introduced U.S. bill proposes a 5% tax on remittances outside US and is currently at an early stage of consideration. The measure—if enacted—could place added financial pressure on Indian nationals working in the United States. Many may be forced to re-evaluate their remittance patterns, including the amount and frequency of remittances for the purpose of maintenance of family or investment in India.”</p><p>A senior Indian government official who did not wish to be named said, &#34;if this law is enacted it would amount to tax treaty override. We know that US constitution allows treaty override,  unlike India where more favourable law prevails, but this would be a very unwelcome treaty override from various countries point of views.&#34;</p><p>For now, this tax is just a proposal—but it’s already set alarm bells ringing across quite a few immigrant communities.</p><p></p><p><br/></p></body></html>\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"QQQ":"纳指100ETF","SQQQ":"纳指三倍做空ETF","SPY":"标普500ETF",".SPX":"S&P 500 Index",".DJI":"道琼斯","TQQQ":"纳指三倍做多ETF",".IXIC":"NASDAQ Composite"},"source_url":"","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1199930645","content_text":"For many Indian families, it’s been a point of pride – and often livelihood – that their children send money back from the United States. But these families may be in for a bit of a shock – when they see less money in their accounts. That’s because a new tax has been proposed in the US – one that is aimed at these remittances specifically.A U.S. bill proposes a 5% excise tax on any remittances that originate in the US to any other country. Indians are among the top three immigrant communities in the US with nearly 2.3 million Indians working there under various visa programmes. And these Indians account for one of the largest sources of remittances into India. In 2023 alone, they sent home over $23 billion.But it’s not just H-1B, F-1 visa holders and green card holders who will be affected by the new Bill, if it is passed. For non-resident Indians in the US, the proposed tax will apply to any income they earn in the US from investments or stock options as well.So take for instance a typical Indian family in the U.S. which sends home $1,000 a month. With the 5% tax, they will be able to send 50 dollars less. Inversely, they will have to send back a lot more money to offset the tax and ensure their monthly remittances to their families here don’t dip.The Bill, which has been backed by Republicans, is linked to Trump’s broader economic agenda – and it has sparked off debate in Washington D.C.Detractors, especially back here in India, warn that it could push remittances into informal or unregulated channels and make the U.S. less attractive to skilled workers from abroad. Some also argue that this could put pressure on employers to hike salaries just to offset the tax. There is also an argument that the tax unfairly targets legal immigrants, and could damage U.S. ties with countries like India.“This levy clearly discriminates against non-US citizens who are contributing to the US economy in the same way as US citizens do. It is interesting to note that it is proposed to be levied by the same country that found India’s Equalisation Levy to be discriminatory!\" says Akhilesh Ranjan, former Member CBDT, now with PwC.Similarly, Sandeep Jhunjhunwala, M&A Tax Partner at Nangia Andersen LLP says, “A new remittance tax proposal by the House Republicans could significantly impact NRIs and other foreign nationals living in the United States. This represents a notable shift in US tax policy, particularly for foreign workers. By exempting only US citizens and nationals making remittance through qualified remittance transfer provider, the proposal disproportionately affects millions of lawful immigrants including green card holders, work visa holders, and non-resident aliens, many of whom maintain ongoing financial obligations in their home countries.”“In addition to personal remittances, the provision could also affect compensation practices. Many foreign nationals receive RSUs as part of their pay packages. When these RSUs vest and are sold, the sales proceeds are often transferred overseas to home country, for personal use, family support, or investment. Under the proposed remittance tax, such transfers even of post-tax proceeds could attract the 5% excise levy, adding a layer of cost to already-taxed income,\" Jhunjhunwala added.Ajay Rotti, founder of Tax Compass, a tax consultancy firm too believes that the tax has much larger implications. “A new legislative proposal in the United States, officially titled \"The One Big Beautiful Bill,\" seeks to impose a 5% excise tax on all international remittances sent by non-citizens. This includes individuals on non-immigrant visas such as H-1B and those holding green cards.\"\"The bill aims to generate revenue from outbound remittances by non-citizens and levies a 5% remittance tax on outward remittance from US. The proposed 5% excise tax on international remittances by non-U.S. citizens is detailed in Section 112105 of the proposed Bill. This section outlines the specifics of the tax, including its applicability to non-citizens sending money abroad. The provision requires that the tax be collected by the remittance transfer providers and the remittance transfer providers are responsible for remitting such tax quarterly to the Secretary of the Treasury,” Rotti added.Amarpal Chadha, Tax Partner and Mobility Leader, EY India, says, “The newly introduced U.S. bill proposes a 5% tax on remittances outside US and is currently at an early stage of consideration. The measure—if enacted—could place added financial pressure on Indian nationals working in the United States. Many may be forced to re-evaluate their remittance patterns, including the amount and frequency of remittances for the purpose of maintenance of family or investment in India.”A senior Indian government official who did not wish to be named said, \"if this law is enacted it would amount to tax treaty override. We know that US constitution allows treaty override,  unlike India where more favourable law prevails, but this would be a very unwelcome treaty override from various countries point of views.\"For now, this tax is just a proposal—but it’s already set alarm bells ringing across quite a few immigrant communities.","news_type":1,"symbols_score_info":{".SPX":1.1,".DJI":1.1,"TQQQ":1.1,".IXIC":1.1,"QQQ":1.1,"SQQQ":1.1,"SPY":1.1}},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":1598,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":403558691938776,"gmtCreate":1739549495999,"gmtModify":1739550119134,"author":{"id":"3582712972054494","authorId":"3582712972054494","name":"Tonykhoo","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":11,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"authorIdStr":"3582712972054494","idStr":"3582712972054494"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"Just shut up and take your opinion to your grave .&nbsp;","listText":"Just shut up and take your opinion to your grave .&nbsp;","text":"Just shut up and take your opinion to your grave .","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":2,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/403558691938776","repostId":"1158802712","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"1158802712","kind":"news","pubTimestamp":1739549212,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/1158802712?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2025-02-15 00:06","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Time To Downgrade Palantir Technologies Over This Insanity","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1158802712","media":"Seeking Alpha","summary":"SummaryDespite Palantir's strong financial performance and growth, I believe the stock is absurdly overvalued, prompting a downgrade to a ‘strong sell’.Palantir's revenue surged 36% to $827.5 million,","content":"<html><head></head><body><h2 id=\"id_3571315219\">Summary</h2><ul style=\"\"><li><p>Despite Palantir&#39;s strong financial performance and growth, I believe the stock is absurdly overvalued, prompting a downgrade to a ‘strong sell’.</p></li><li><p>Palantir&#39;s revenue surged 36% to $827.5 million, driven by significant growth in both commercial and government sectors, particularly in the US.</p></li><li><p>The company boasts a robust balance sheet with $5.23 billion in cash and no debt, yet its valuation remains unjustifiable even with aggressive growth assumptions.</p></li><li><p>Even under the most optimistic growth scenarios, Palantir&#39;s future cash flow and EBITDA multiples are excessively high, indicating a significant overvaluation.</p></li><li><p>My name is Dan Jones. I have degrees in accounting and economics, and ran a registered investment advisor for nine years. I lead the investing group Crude Value Insights.</p></li></ul><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/032c80f9e75029379c74205b43ec59e6\" alt=\"Palantir Technologies headquarters campus exterior view in Silicon Valley. - Palo Alto, California, USA - 2019\" title=\"Palantir Technologies headquarters campus exterior view in Silicon Valley. - Palo Alto, California, USA - 2019\" tg-width=\"750\" tg-height=\"500\"/><span>Palantir Technologies headquarters campus exterior view in Silicon Valley. - Palo Alto, California, USA - 2019</span></p><p></p><p>Contrary to what academics have long suggested, the market is not a place of efficiency., it does incorporate new information almost instantly. However, there are many instances where animal spirits prevail and shares of companies become either overvalued or undervalued. A case of overvaluation, in my opinion, involves none other than technology giant <strong>Palantir Technologies Inc.</strong> (NASDAQ:PLTR). Back in November of last year, I downgraded the company from a ‘hold’ to a ‘sell’. From a purely fundamental perspective, the business was doing great. Revenue and cash flows were surging, and the business was continuing to build up a hefty net cash position. At the end of the day, however, I could not get past the valuation of the company. Even assuming rapid growth, the stock did not make sense to me.</p><p>Since that time, the market has continued to push shares irrationally higher. Strong financial performance and expectations of continued growth have caused the share price to climb 66.4%. That&#39;s at a time when the S&amp;P 500 is up only 3.1%. While I do acknowledge that the fundamental condition of the company is certainly better than I expected it to be, and while I expect that trend to continue moving forward, I do think the stock has gotten absurdly expensive. In fact, as a result of this, I am left with no choice but to downgrade the company to a ‘strong sell’.</p><h2 id=\"id_3119742418\">Be worried</h2><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/5a0272fb69e0f934440f8166cef74b54\" alt=\"Financials\" title=\"Financials\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"241\"/><span>Financials</span></p><p></p><p>On February 3rd, the management team at Palantir Technologies reported financial results for the third quarter of the company&#39;s 2024 fiscal year. In almost every respect, the company did quite well. As an example, revenue for the firm came in at $827.5 million. That&#39;s an increase of 36% compared to the $608.4 million the company reported one year earlier. A lot of this growth came from the commercial side of the business. Commercial growth for the company skyrocketed 31% from $284 million to $372 million. It&#39;s driven by a rise in the number of commercial customers that the company has to 571. That compares to the 498 reported just one quarter earlier, and it&#39;s up about 52% compared to the 375 the business had at the end of the final quarter of 2023.</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/3840708de2da4c690187620982fd6e26\" alt=\"Presentation\" title=\"Presentation\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"616\"/><span>Presentation</span></p><p style=\"text-align: left;\"></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/41a4208f348399df45d94a636efe1591\" alt=\"Presentation\" title=\"Presentation\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"330\"/><span>Presentation</span></p><p></p><p>When it comes to the US side of things, the commercial customer account for the company jumped 73% year over year from 221 to 382. This resulted in US commercial revenue skyrocketing 64% from $131 million to $214 million. Early on in its life, Palantir Technologies made a name for itself focusing on government customers. But over the past couple of years now, the company has made a concerted effort to grow into the commercial side of the economy. This has been spurred especially by the rise of AI and the impact that could have on the firms that exist out there today. This strategy has proven to be very effective and was perhaps the best decision management ever made.</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/ea5f7c4b1312da08a43673305e21f026\" alt=\"Presentation\" title=\"Presentation\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"602\"/><span>Presentation</span></p><p style=\"text-align: left;\"></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/0d688514c5148128e8682532c88caaac\" alt=\"Presentation\" title=\"Presentation\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"649\"/><span>Presentation</span></p><p></p><p>This is not to say that the company has not enjoyed continued growth on the government side. Total government revenue jumped year over year by roughly 40% from $324 million to $455 million. This was an even greater growth rate than what the company saw on the commercial side of things. At the end of 2024, the firm had 711 customers. This means that 140 of its customers were on the government side of things. That&#39;s an increase of 15% compared to the 122 customers the business had that were government agencies. Not surprisingly, much of this expansion on the government side of the business was driven by the US. Here at home, government revenue soared 45% from $237 million to $343 million.</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/5dcda12318f0e2ee0d487287a2aa6f05\" alt=\"Presentation\" title=\"Presentation\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"630\"/><span>Presentation</span></p><p></p><p>Moving forward, it is all but certain that continued growth will occur. This is because the company continues to lock down contracts that will create significant value in the long run. During the final quarter of 2024 alone, the firm closed 129 deals that had a value of $1 million each or more. 58 of these are valued at $5 million or more, with 32 of them being worth $10 million or more. Before I get into what this might mean for 2025 and beyond, I do think I should touch on the bottom line and discuss, in more detail, what 2024 as a whole looked like.</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/5bd5149d0cb7a4cdb286616687b9f657\" alt=\"Presentation\" title=\"Presentation\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"686\"/><span>Presentation</span></p><p></p><p>On the bottom line, the firm did generate a net profit of only $79 million. That was down from the $93.4 million reported the previous year. However, during this time, the business did see a negative impact associated with stock appreciation rights. Without this, profitability would have been higher as the image above illustrates. We can actually see the bottom line improvement for the business when looking at adjusted profits and cash flows. Year-over-year, the adjusted net income for the business expanded from $189.6 million to $341.9 million. Operating cash flow jumped from $301.2 million to $460.3 million. If we adjust for changes in working capital, we get an increase from $218.6 million to $356.2 million. And finally, EBITDA for the firm expanded from $217.3 million to $379.5 million.</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/7c018cc9a80d1b1d741d80c68f802a9f\" alt=\"Financials\" title=\"Financials\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"237\"/><span>Financials</span></p><p style=\"text-align: left;\"><strong>Author - SEC EDGAR Data</strong></p><p></p><p>In the chart above, we can also see financial results for 2024 as a whole relative to 2023. Revenue, profits, and cash flows, all grew on a year-over-year basis. The exciting thing is that management also expects continued growth this year. They anticipate revenue, if it hits the midpoint of guidance, of $3.749 billion. That would represent an increase of 30.8% compared to the $2.866 billion reported for 2024. In terms of profitability, management said that the midpoint of guidance for adjusted operating income would be $1.559 billion. Seeing as how this is heavily correlated with cash flows, it would likely translate to an adjusted operating cash flow of $1.692 billion and EBITDA of $1.603 billion.</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/78e88efa825454cc665cb497ae5b87cb\" alt=\"Presentation\" title=\"Presentation\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"633\"/><span>Presentation</span></p><p></p><p>This is exciting. However, even this rapid growth is unlikely to justify the picture for the business in the long run. But before I get into my projections for the future, I do think a couple of other things are noteworthy. The first thing that I would like to point out is that the company&#39;s balance sheet continues to show improvements. During the quarter, the company had $5.23 billion in cash and cash equivalents on its books. This is up nicely from the $4.56 billion reported in the third quarter, and it compares favorably to the $3.67 billion the company ended 2023 with. Seeing as how the firm has no debt, this means that these cash figures are extra capital the firm can use without having to rely on paying back debt. Firms of this nature do deserve to trade at some sort of premium compared to those that are indebted. But even with this, I think the price is impossible to justify.</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/51cfdcb52a754ca83979bb2e2c31bde1\" alt=\"Financials\" title=\"Financials\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"293\"/><span>Financials</span></p><p></p><p>Now, when it comes to my model, I would like to make a very clear other point. And this is the fact that I am using some very aggressive assumptions regarding what the future might look like. Keep in mind that revenue growth this year is projected to be 30.8% year over year. For the future, I decided to assume that there would be three different scenarios. The first is a slowdown scenario where revenue would climb at 20% per annum after this year. The second assumes that revenue will continue growing at 30% per annum. And then, there is the aggressive scenario where I assume revenue will climb to 40% per annum for 2026 and 2027.</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/5dec167b1b767e38bca18789e136019c\" alt=\"Financials\" title=\"Financials\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"298\"/><span>Financials</span></p><p></p><p>Another thing to take into consideration is margin improvement. In the chart above, you can see what the adjusted operating cash flow margin and the EBITDA margin for the company have been for 2023 and 2024, as well as what has been estimated for 2025. The chart also shows what these margins look like using the most recent quarter, which would be the final quarter of 2024, and with that looks like compared to the final quarter of 2023. Historically speaking, we have seen margin improvement as the company scales. So for the purpose of my model, I have assumed further expansion. For 2026, I assumed that adjusted operating cash flow would come in at 50% of revenue. And for 2027, I increased that to 55%. When looking at the full fiscal years, we can see that the EBITDA margin for the company has generally fallen short of the adjusted operating cash flow margin. So I have assumed a 300 basis point reduction for it compared to the adjusted operating cash flow margin.</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/384688f91d62dd98720ecab399a92577\" alt=\"Estimates\" title=\"Estimates\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"167\"/><span>Estimates</span></p><p></p><p>Taking all of this into consideration, we can see the slowdown scenario with 20% annual growth in the table above. In this case, by 2027, the company would be generating about $5.40 billion in revenue. Adjusted operating cash flow would be $2.97 billion, while EBITDA would come in at $2.27 billion. While this is an impressive amount of growth compared to what the company generated last year, if the stock price doesn&#39;t change from where it is today, we would be looking at a price-to-adjusted operating cash flow multiple of 82.7 and an EV-to-EBITDA multiple of 106.1.</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/1264f613a4c478828ae9a33370504f6e\" alt=\"Estimates\" title=\"Estimates\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"169\"/><span>Estimates</span></p><p></p><p>In the next table above, you can see the 30% annual growth scenario. And in the table below, you can see what happens if revenue grows at 40% per annum. Even in this most aggressive case that I considered to be possible, the firm is still trading at 60.8 times future operating cash flow and at 63 times EBITDA. Depending on how much cash is ultimately retained from operations, the EV-to-EBITDA multiple might decline to some extent. But we are still looking at multiples that are in the stratosphere.</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/03c62ffa4cf7e8ec61ee6cf8d159783b\" alt=\"Estimates\" title=\"Estimates\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"168\"/><span>Estimates</span></p><p></p><h2 id=\"id_1123066975\">Takeaway</h2><p>To be honest with you, the valuation at which Palantir Technologies is trading seems to me to be the very definition of insanity. This doesn&#39;t mean that I am bearish about the company from an operational standpoint. I do think that, as AI continues to dominate the economic landscape, the firm will do quite well. But there is a big difference between doing well and making sense from an investment standpoint. Even incredibly aggressive growth assumptions make the stock look horrifyingly overpriced. In the short term, I would not be surprised to see the stock continue climbing. But at some point, I believe that the chickens will come home to roost. 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I have degrees in accounting and economics, and ran a registered investment advisor for nine years. I lead the investing group Crude Value Insights.Palantir Technologies headquarters campus exterior view in Silicon Valley. - Palo Alto, California, USA - 2019Contrary to what academics have long suggested, the market is not a place of efficiency., it does incorporate new information almost instantly. However, there are many instances where animal spirits prevail and shares of companies become either overvalued or undervalued. A case of overvaluation, in my opinion, involves none other than technology giant Palantir Technologies Inc. (NASDAQ:PLTR). Back in November of last year, I downgraded the company from a ‘hold’ to a ‘sell’. From a purely fundamental perspective, the business was doing great. Revenue and cash flows were surging, and the business was continuing to build up a hefty net cash position. At the end of the day, however, I could not get past the valuation of the company. Even assuming rapid growth, the stock did not make sense to me.Since that time, the market has continued to push shares irrationally higher. Strong financial performance and expectations of continued growth have caused the share price to climb 66.4%. That's at a time when the S&P 500 is up only 3.1%. While I do acknowledge that the fundamental condition of the company is certainly better than I expected it to be, and while I expect that trend to continue moving forward, I do think the stock has gotten absurdly expensive. In fact, as a result of this, I am left with no choice but to downgrade the company to a ‘strong sell’.Be worriedFinancialsOn February 3rd, the management team at Palantir Technologies reported financial results for the third quarter of the company's 2024 fiscal year. In almost every respect, the company did quite well. As an example, revenue for the firm came in at $827.5 million. That's an increase of 36% compared to the $608.4 million the company reported one year earlier. A lot of this growth came from the commercial side of the business. Commercial growth for the company skyrocketed 31% from $284 million to $372 million. It's driven by a rise in the number of commercial customers that the company has to 571. That compares to the 498 reported just one quarter earlier, and it's up about 52% compared to the 375 the business had at the end of the final quarter of 2023.PresentationPresentationWhen it comes to the US side of things, the commercial customer account for the company jumped 73% year over year from 221 to 382. This resulted in US commercial revenue skyrocketing 64% from $131 million to $214 million. Early on in its life, Palantir Technologies made a name for itself focusing on government customers. But over the past couple of years now, the company has made a concerted effort to grow into the commercial side of the economy. This has been spurred especially by the rise of AI and the impact that could have on the firms that exist out there today. This strategy has proven to be very effective and was perhaps the best decision management ever made.PresentationPresentationThis is not to say that the company has not enjoyed continued growth on the government side. Total government revenue jumped year over year by roughly 40% from $324 million to $455 million. This was an even greater growth rate than what the company saw on the commercial side of things. At the end of 2024, the firm had 711 customers. This means that 140 of its customers were on the government side of things. That's an increase of 15% compared to the 122 customers the business had that were government agencies. Not surprisingly, much of this expansion on the government side of the business was driven by the US. Here at home, government revenue soared 45% from $237 million to $343 million.PresentationMoving forward, it is all but certain that continued growth will occur. This is because the company continues to lock down contracts that will create significant value in the long run. During the final quarter of 2024 alone, the firm closed 129 deals that had a value of $1 million each or more. 58 of these are valued at $5 million or more, with 32 of them being worth $10 million or more. Before I get into what this might mean for 2025 and beyond, I do think I should touch on the bottom line and discuss, in more detail, what 2024 as a whole looked like.PresentationOn the bottom line, the firm did generate a net profit of only $79 million. That was down from the $93.4 million reported the previous year. However, during this time, the business did see a negative impact associated with stock appreciation rights. Without this, profitability would have been higher as the image above illustrates. We can actually see the bottom line improvement for the business when looking at adjusted profits and cash flows. Year-over-year, the adjusted net income for the business expanded from $189.6 million to $341.9 million. Operating cash flow jumped from $301.2 million to $460.3 million. If we adjust for changes in working capital, we get an increase from $218.6 million to $356.2 million. And finally, EBITDA for the firm expanded from $217.3 million to $379.5 million.FinancialsAuthor - SEC EDGAR DataIn the chart above, we can also see financial results for 2024 as a whole relative to 2023. Revenue, profits, and cash flows, all grew on a year-over-year basis. The exciting thing is that management also expects continued growth this year. They anticipate revenue, if it hits the midpoint of guidance, of $3.749 billion. That would represent an increase of 30.8% compared to the $2.866 billion reported for 2024. In terms of profitability, management said that the midpoint of guidance for adjusted operating income would be $1.559 billion. Seeing as how this is heavily correlated with cash flows, it would likely translate to an adjusted operating cash flow of $1.692 billion and EBITDA of $1.603 billion.PresentationThis is exciting. However, even this rapid growth is unlikely to justify the picture for the business in the long run. But before I get into my projections for the future, I do think a couple of other things are noteworthy. The first thing that I would like to point out is that the company's balance sheet continues to show improvements. During the quarter, the company had $5.23 billion in cash and cash equivalents on its books. This is up nicely from the $4.56 billion reported in the third quarter, and it compares favorably to the $3.67 billion the company ended 2023 with. Seeing as how the firm has no debt, this means that these cash figures are extra capital the firm can use without having to rely on paying back debt. Firms of this nature do deserve to trade at some sort of premium compared to those that are indebted. But even with this, I think the price is impossible to justify.FinancialsNow, when it comes to my model, I would like to make a very clear other point. And this is the fact that I am using some very aggressive assumptions regarding what the future might look like. Keep in mind that revenue growth this year is projected to be 30.8% year over year. For the future, I decided to assume that there would be three different scenarios. The first is a slowdown scenario where revenue would climb at 20% per annum after this year. The second assumes that revenue will continue growing at 30% per annum. And then, there is the aggressive scenario where I assume revenue will climb to 40% per annum for 2026 and 2027.FinancialsAnother thing to take into consideration is margin improvement. In the chart above, you can see what the adjusted operating cash flow margin and the EBITDA margin for the company have been for 2023 and 2024, as well as what has been estimated for 2025. The chart also shows what these margins look like using the most recent quarter, which would be the final quarter of 2024, and with that looks like compared to the final quarter of 2023. Historically speaking, we have seen margin improvement as the company scales. So for the purpose of my model, I have assumed further expansion. For 2026, I assumed that adjusted operating cash flow would come in at 50% of revenue. And for 2027, I increased that to 55%. When looking at the full fiscal years, we can see that the EBITDA margin for the company has generally fallen short of the adjusted operating cash flow margin. So I have assumed a 300 basis point reduction for it compared to the adjusted operating cash flow margin.EstimatesTaking all of this into consideration, we can see the slowdown scenario with 20% annual growth in the table above. In this case, by 2027, the company would be generating about $5.40 billion in revenue. Adjusted operating cash flow would be $2.97 billion, while EBITDA would come in at $2.27 billion. While this is an impressive amount of growth compared to what the company generated last year, if the stock price doesn't change from where it is today, we would be looking at a price-to-adjusted operating cash flow multiple of 82.7 and an EV-to-EBITDA multiple of 106.1.EstimatesIn the next table above, you can see the 30% annual growth scenario. And in the table below, you can see what happens if revenue grows at 40% per annum. Even in this most aggressive case that I considered to be possible, the firm is still trading at 60.8 times future operating cash flow and at 63 times EBITDA. Depending on how much cash is ultimately retained from operations, the EV-to-EBITDA multiple might decline to some extent. But we are still looking at multiples that are in the stratosphere.EstimatesTakeawayTo be honest with you, the valuation at which Palantir Technologies is trading seems to me to be the very definition of insanity. This doesn't mean that I am bearish about the company from an operational standpoint. I do think that, as AI continues to dominate the economic landscape, the firm will do quite well. But there is a big difference between doing well and making sense from an investment standpoint. Even incredibly aggressive growth assumptions make the stock look horrifyingly overpriced. In the short term, I would not be surprised to see the stock continue climbing. But at some point, I believe that the chickens will come home to roost. Because of how overvalued shares appear, I have no choice but to downgrade the company to a ‘strong sell’.","news_type":1,"symbols_score_info":{"PLTR":1.1}},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":1483,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":398196983173248,"gmtCreate":1738241168857,"gmtModify":1738241172112,"author":{"id":"3582712972054494","authorId":"3582712972054494","name":"Tonykhoo","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":11,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"authorIdStr":"3582712972054494","idStr":"3582712972054494"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"RIP. You will lose a lot of money.&nbsp;","listText":"RIP. You will lose a lot of money.&nbsp;","text":"RIP. You will lose a lot of money.","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":4,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/398196983173248","repostId":"1105965404","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"1105965404","kind":"news","pubTimestamp":1738239194,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/1105965404?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2025-01-30 20:13","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Palantir: 3 Reasons To Short The Stock","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1105965404","media":"Seeking Alpha","summary":"SummaryPalantir's stock is detached from reality as it trades at an irrationally exuberant price.The rise of macroeconomic risks makes it possible for the company to lose its growth momentum and for t","content":"<html><head></head><body><h2 id=\"id_3752926401\">Summary</h2><ul style=\"\"><li><p>Palantir&#39;s stock is detached from reality as it trades at an irrationally exuberant price.</p></li><li><p>The rise of macroeconomic risks makes it possible for the company to lose its growth momentum and for the stock to decrease in value.</p></li><li><p>We have recently opened a short position in PLTR.</p></li></ul><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/554bfffe59edb9acf6bf12d15a231da8\" alt=\"Palantir Technologies\" title=\"Palantir Technologies\" tg-width=\"750\" tg-height=\"500\"/><span>Palantir Technologies</span></p><p>We recently opened a short position in Palantir as we believe that the downside for its stock is significant. Last year we closed our previous short position at a loss and said in our latest article that while Palantir is greatly overvalued, we would wait for the right time to reopen the position. It was the right call to make, since Palantir&#39;s stock is currently up over 15% after our latest article was published.</p><p>However, we also believe that the time to act again has come. In this article, we will present three major reasons why we&#39;re shorting Palantir, the risks to our short position, and our action plan under different scenarios.</p><h2 id=\"id_3785883\">Reason To Short Palantir #1: The Stock Price Is Detached From Reality</h2><p>If we look closely at the performance of Palantir&#39;s stock in 2024, we will see that its rise in the second half of the year was fueled by positive Q2 and Q3 earnings reports. First, Palantir increased in the Q2 report its revenue guidance for the fiscal year 2024 to between $2.742 and $2.750 billion in August, which helped its stock rise above $30 per share for the first time since 2021. Then, in the Q3 report, the company once again increased its revenue guidance for the fiscal year 2024 to between $2.805 and $2.809 billion, which translates to a Y/Y growth rate of nearly 26%.</p><p>As the annual revenue outlook has been increased by around $60 million in the Q3 report in comparison to the outlook in the Q2 report, the market has positively reacted to it and helped Palantir to increase its market capitalization by over $50 billion in a few months. Right now, Palantir has a market capitalization of around $180 billion at the time of this writing.</p><p>Although Palantir&#39;s performance has been impressive in the last year, we don&#39;t believe that the performance justifies such an aggressive increase in capitalization. As of now, Palantir has a P/E of over 200x, while the sector has a P/E of only 26x. The current P/E of the S&amp;P 500 Index is only 28x. Those multiples show that Palantir&#39;s stock is detached from reality.</p><p>The combination of all of those factors makes Palantir an extremely overvalued company. In our previous article, we created a valuation model with pretty optimistic assumptions to see how big Palantir&#39;s intrinsic value could be under one of the most bullish scenarios. That model showed that Palantir&#39;s intrinsic value is only $23.27 per share.</p><p>We decided to take a step further and change some of the assumptions in this article to truly figure out Palantir&#39;s full potential to make sure that even under the most extreme assumptions, the upside for its stock at the current market price is not there.</p><p>The assumptions table below underwent several changes in comparison to the previous model. One of the most important things that we did in comparison to the previous model is we changed the tax rate in our model from 21% to 15%. The 21% rate is the current standard corporate rate in the United States. However, the potential tax reform under the Trump administration could decrease the tax rate to only 15%. Since our model includes pretty bullish assumptions, we decided to use the 15% for now.</p><p>We also slightly changed the assumptions in the tables that calculate the discount rate. We updated the risk-free rate in our cost of equity calculation because of the rising treasury yields and changed the market cap, which increased since the release of our latest article.</p><p>The share price in the entry data table has also been updated. Everything else remained the same as in the last article.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/d5f3850d207fc775c3328cd2d1dd4489\" alt=\"Palantir&#39;s valuation model (Bears of Wall Street)\" title=\"Palantir&#39;s valuation model (Bears of Wall Street)\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"182\"/><span>Palantir&#39;s valuation model (Bears of Wall Street)</span></p><p>In the forecast table below, we assume a 30% sales growth rate in FY24. This is the same rate as in the previous model. It is also above the management&#39;s current expectations of ~26%, but there&#39;s a possibility that Palantir will exceed expectations in Q4, which would result in higher sales for the year. For all the other years in the forecast table, we assume a gradual improvement in sales. This is above the overall expectations of a less than 25% growth rate in the following years, but it will help us understand Palantir&#39;s intrinsic value under the most extreme assumptions.</p><p>The EBIT margin remained the same as in the last model, and the tax rate decreased to 15%. The bottom part of the forecast table is mostly unchanged from our recent model.</p><p>Under those assumptions, our model shows that Palantir&#39;s enterprise value is $61.2 billion. At the same time, its equity value is $65.78 billion, which translates to an intrinsic value of $26.74 per share. While our improved assumptions led to the higher intrinsic value, we can still see that Palantir is extremely overvalued, and its current stock price is detached from reality.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/a3188adefb59abbb65b3ad9d7bbf1a5a\" alt=\"Palantir&#39;s valuation model (Bears of Wall Street)\" title=\"Palantir&#39;s valuation model (Bears of Wall Street)\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"228\"/><span>Palantir&#39;s valuation model (Bears of Wall Street)</span></p><h2 id=\"id_3342679600\">Reason To Short Palantir #2: The Macro Risks Are Increasing</h2><p>The potential worsening of the macroeconomic environment is another thing that can push Palantir&#39;s share price lower. In 2022, when inflation was rampant, the stock market was not performing well and Palantir&#39;s shares were traded mostly at single digits. At the beginning of 2023, the disinflationary process began, which helped revive the stock market growth and improve the economic forecasts. While the disinflationary process has been ongoing to this day, there&#39;s a risk that we could experience a return to the inflationary environment. Here&#39;s what the December Fed minutes stated:</p><blockquote><p><em>With regard to the outlook for inflation, participants expected that inflation would continue to move toward 2 percent, although they noted that recent higher-than-expected readings on inflation,</em> <strong><em>and the effects of potential changes in trade and immigration policy, suggested that the process could take longer than previously anticipated.</em></strong></p></blockquote><p>The potential policy changes likely mean the implementation of Trump&#39;s tariffs, which are expected to be imposed on February 1 on goods from various countries that trade with the United States. The tariffs over the long term might lead to the revival of inflation and once again prompt the Federal Reserve to enact a more hawkish policy that would likely diminish the growth outlook. This could negatively affect Palantir&#39;s outlook and lead to the depreciation of its stock.</p><h2 id=\"id_318610859\">Reason To Short Palantir #3: The Stock Is Losing Its Momentum</h2><p>Relying solely on fundamentals is not the way to go in the current market environment. In our latest article on Palantir, we said that the company is already extremely overvalued, but decided not to open a short position at that time because the stock has been experiencing an upward trend.</p><p>However, recently, Palantir&#39;s stock began to lose its momentum, which was a signal for us to act. Right now, the stock is range-bound between $60 and $85 per share. It failed to break the resistance level around $85 per share and reach new highs a couple of times already, as the selling of shares has been intense around that level.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/aff7c2b152314d29b766791eac7a2755\" alt=\"Palantir&#39;s stock price (Seeking Alpha)\" title=\"Palantir&#39;s stock price (Seeking Alpha)\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"324\"/><span>Palantir&#39;s stock price (Seeking Alpha)</span></p><p>If Palantir&#39;s stock once again fails to break the current resistance level in the foreseeable future, then we could expect a depreciation to its support level at around $60 per share, which already happened a couple of weeks ago. If the support level at around $60 per share is broken, then there&#39;s a possibility of a selloff to the next support level at around $40 per share. If that happens, we will be covering our position during the depreciation to realize a profit.</p><p>If Palantir&#39;s stock manages to overcome the resistance level that&#39;s around $85 per share, then the stock will reach another all-time high and will look for a new resistance level. We committed less than 5% of our portfolio to this short position, so we would have enough room to wait for the stock to find that new resistance level and figure out our next move. Our stop loss is above $100 per share.</p><h2 id=\"id_4151814212\">Risks To Our Bearish Thesis</h2><p>On February 3, Palantir will release its Q4 earnings report. There&#39;s a possibility that the company will exceed its annual outlook that was presented in the Q3 report and will also provide an outlook for 2025 that&#39;s much higher than the current street consensus. If that&#39;s the case, then we might see a further rise in share price, as it happened after the release of Q2 and Q3 reports last year.</p><p>The macro risks might also subside if the global economy manages to overcome the tariffs and trade war risks. The latest report by the OECD forecasts a global GDP growth rate of 3.3% in 2025.</p><p>As such, the potential better outlook along with a possible better macroeconomic environment could once again give a boost to Palantir&#39;s shares and undermine our bearish thesis.</p><h2 id=\"id_3793310222\">Final Thoughts</h2><p>In our opinion, the combination of weak fundamentals, rising macro risks, and a stock losing its momentum create a perfect opportunity to open a short position in Palantir. There&#39;s a risk to our short position if the fundamentals significantly improve or the macro challenges won&#39;t materialize and result in the appreciation of shares.</p><p>However, after weighing all the opportunities and risks, we believe that shorting Palantir makes sense at its current price, especially since the cost of borrowing its shares is less than 1%. The short position also represents less than 5% of our portfolio, which ensures that the risk of losing all of our capital is minimal in the worst-case scenario.</p></body></html>","source":"lsy1728464409321","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Palantir: 3 Reasons To Short The Stock</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nPalantir: 3 Reasons To Short The Stock\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2025-01-30 20:13 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://seekingalpha.com/article/4753204-palantir-3-reasons-to-short-the-pltr-stock><strong>Seeking Alpha</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>SummaryPalantir's stock is detached from reality as it trades at an irrationally exuberant price.The rise of macroeconomic risks makes it possible for the company to lose its growth momentum and for ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4753204-palantir-3-reasons-to-short-the-pltr-stock\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"PLTR":"Palantir Technologies Inc."},"source_url":"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4753204-palantir-3-reasons-to-short-the-pltr-stock","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1105965404","content_text":"SummaryPalantir's stock is detached from reality as it trades at an irrationally exuberant price.The rise of macroeconomic risks makes it possible for the company to lose its growth momentum and for the stock to decrease in value.We have recently opened a short position in PLTR.Palantir TechnologiesWe recently opened a short position in Palantir as we believe that the downside for its stock is significant. Last year we closed our previous short position at a loss and said in our latest article that while Palantir is greatly overvalued, we would wait for the right time to reopen the position. It was the right call to make, since Palantir's stock is currently up over 15% after our latest article was published.However, we also believe that the time to act again has come. In this article, we will present three major reasons why we're shorting Palantir, the risks to our short position, and our action plan under different scenarios.Reason To Short Palantir #1: The Stock Price Is Detached From RealityIf we look closely at the performance of Palantir's stock in 2024, we will see that its rise in the second half of the year was fueled by positive Q2 and Q3 earnings reports. First, Palantir increased in the Q2 report its revenue guidance for the fiscal year 2024 to between $2.742 and $2.750 billion in August, which helped its stock rise above $30 per share for the first time since 2021. Then, in the Q3 report, the company once again increased its revenue guidance for the fiscal year 2024 to between $2.805 and $2.809 billion, which translates to a Y/Y growth rate of nearly 26%.As the annual revenue outlook has been increased by around $60 million in the Q3 report in comparison to the outlook in the Q2 report, the market has positively reacted to it and helped Palantir to increase its market capitalization by over $50 billion in a few months. Right now, Palantir has a market capitalization of around $180 billion at the time of this writing.Although Palantir's performance has been impressive in the last year, we don't believe that the performance justifies such an aggressive increase in capitalization. As of now, Palantir has a P/E of over 200x, while the sector has a P/E of only 26x. The current P/E of the S&P 500 Index is only 28x. Those multiples show that Palantir's stock is detached from reality.The combination of all of those factors makes Palantir an extremely overvalued company. In our previous article, we created a valuation model with pretty optimistic assumptions to see how big Palantir's intrinsic value could be under one of the most bullish scenarios. That model showed that Palantir's intrinsic value is only $23.27 per share.We decided to take a step further and change some of the assumptions in this article to truly figure out Palantir's full potential to make sure that even under the most extreme assumptions, the upside for its stock at the current market price is not there.The assumptions table below underwent several changes in comparison to the previous model. One of the most important things that we did in comparison to the previous model is we changed the tax rate in our model from 21% to 15%. The 21% rate is the current standard corporate rate in the United States. However, the potential tax reform under the Trump administration could decrease the tax rate to only 15%. Since our model includes pretty bullish assumptions, we decided to use the 15% for now.We also slightly changed the assumptions in the tables that calculate the discount rate. We updated the risk-free rate in our cost of equity calculation because of the rising treasury yields and changed the market cap, which increased since the release of our latest article.The share price in the entry data table has also been updated. Everything else remained the same as in the last article.Palantir's valuation model (Bears of Wall Street)In the forecast table below, we assume a 30% sales growth rate in FY24. This is the same rate as in the previous model. It is also above the management's current expectations of ~26%, but there's a possibility that Palantir will exceed expectations in Q4, which would result in higher sales for the year. For all the other years in the forecast table, we assume a gradual improvement in sales. This is above the overall expectations of a less than 25% growth rate in the following years, but it will help us understand Palantir's intrinsic value under the most extreme assumptions.The EBIT margin remained the same as in the last model, and the tax rate decreased to 15%. The bottom part of the forecast table is mostly unchanged from our recent model.Under those assumptions, our model shows that Palantir's enterprise value is $61.2 billion. At the same time, its equity value is $65.78 billion, which translates to an intrinsic value of $26.74 per share. While our improved assumptions led to the higher intrinsic value, we can still see that Palantir is extremely overvalued, and its current stock price is detached from reality.Palantir's valuation model (Bears of Wall Street)Reason To Short Palantir #2: The Macro Risks Are IncreasingThe potential worsening of the macroeconomic environment is another thing that can push Palantir's share price lower. In 2022, when inflation was rampant, the stock market was not performing well and Palantir's shares were traded mostly at single digits. At the beginning of 2023, the disinflationary process began, which helped revive the stock market growth and improve the economic forecasts. While the disinflationary process has been ongoing to this day, there's a risk that we could experience a return to the inflationary environment. Here's what the December Fed minutes stated:With regard to the outlook for inflation, participants expected that inflation would continue to move toward 2 percent, although they noted that recent higher-than-expected readings on inflation, and the effects of potential changes in trade and immigration policy, suggested that the process could take longer than previously anticipated.The potential policy changes likely mean the implementation of Trump's tariffs, which are expected to be imposed on February 1 on goods from various countries that trade with the United States. The tariffs over the long term might lead to the revival of inflation and once again prompt the Federal Reserve to enact a more hawkish policy that would likely diminish the growth outlook. This could negatively affect Palantir's outlook and lead to the depreciation of its stock.Reason To Short Palantir #3: The Stock Is Losing Its MomentumRelying solely on fundamentals is not the way to go in the current market environment. In our latest article on Palantir, we said that the company is already extremely overvalued, but decided not to open a short position at that time because the stock has been experiencing an upward trend.However, recently, Palantir's stock began to lose its momentum, which was a signal for us to act. Right now, the stock is range-bound between $60 and $85 per share. It failed to break the resistance level around $85 per share and reach new highs a couple of times already, as the selling of shares has been intense around that level.Palantir's stock price (Seeking Alpha)If Palantir's stock once again fails to break the current resistance level in the foreseeable future, then we could expect a depreciation to its support level at around $60 per share, which already happened a couple of weeks ago. If the support level at around $60 per share is broken, then there's a possibility of a selloff to the next support level at around $40 per share. If that happens, we will be covering our position during the depreciation to realize a profit.If Palantir's stock manages to overcome the resistance level that's around $85 per share, then the stock will reach another all-time high and will look for a new resistance level. We committed less than 5% of our portfolio to this short position, so we would have enough room to wait for the stock to find that new resistance level and figure out our next move. Our stop loss is above $100 per share.Risks To Our Bearish ThesisOn February 3, Palantir will release its Q4 earnings report. There's a possibility that the company will exceed its annual outlook that was presented in the Q3 report and will also provide an outlook for 2025 that's much higher than the current street consensus. If that's the case, then we might see a further rise in share price, as it happened after the release of Q2 and Q3 reports last year.The macro risks might also subside if the global economy manages to overcome the tariffs and trade war risks. The latest report by the OECD forecasts a global GDP growth rate of 3.3% in 2025.As such, the potential better outlook along with a possible better macroeconomic environment could once again give a boost to Palantir's shares and undermine our bearish thesis.Final ThoughtsIn our opinion, the combination of weak fundamentals, rising macro risks, and a stock losing its momentum create a perfect opportunity to open a short position in Palantir. There's a risk to our short position if the fundamentals significantly improve or the macro challenges won't materialize and result in the appreciation of shares.However, after weighing all the opportunities and risks, we believe that shorting Palantir makes sense at its current price, especially since the cost of borrowing its shares is less than 1%. 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Scammer","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":4,"commentSize":3,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/393214330245512","repostId":"1164318115","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"1164318115","kind":"news","pubTimestamp":1737036000,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/1164318115?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2025-01-16 22:00","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Palantir: Great Business At A Wrong Price - I Sold My Shares","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1164318115","media":"Seeking Alpha","summary":"SummaryPalantir is a leading player in monetizing the AI revolution, serving nearly 630 customers consisting of large public and commercial organisations globally (mainly in the US).Founded in 2003, t","content":"<html><head></head><body><h2 id=\"id_1395999078\">Summary</h2><ul style=\"\"><li><p>Palantir is a leading player in monetizing the AI revolution, serving nearly 630 customers consisting of large public and commercial organisations globally (mainly in the US).</p></li><li><p>Founded in 2003, the Company initially focused on the public sector but has expanded to commercial sectors facing similar challenges.</p></li><li><p>PLTR reached a pivotal point early in 2023, when I first established my position, due to a successful deployment of the artificial intelligence platform showcasing tremendous cross-sell and growth potential.</p></li><li><p>Within this article, I explained my rationale behind selling all my shares at an average price of ~$75 per share despite the deep respect for Palantir&#39;s team and its achievements.</p></li></ul><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/92d92135e0d8cd56b21f40d970084e15\" alt=\"bunhill\" title=\"bunhill\" tg-width=\"750\" tg-height=\"500\"/><span>bunhill</span></p><p>Palantir (NASDAQ:PLTR) is an upcoming star and one of the best businesses when it comes to the capabilities of monetizing the AI revolution. Palantir serves mostly US customers (66% of revenue). During Q1-Q3 2024, it served nearly 630 customers (vs. 453 in the previous year).</p><p>Palantir was founded over 20 years ago (2003) with an aim to facilitate US counterterrorism operations. Since then, it&#39;s been focusing on the public sector and serves various government bodies across the world, but it has also expanded to the commercial sector within which large businesses often face similar struggles when it comes to data:</p><blockquote><p>For over a decade, Gotham has surfaced insights for global defense agencies, the intelligence community, disaster relief organizations and beyond. Foundry is becoming a central operating system not only for individual institutions but also for entire industries. Apollo, which we began offering as a commercial solution in 2021, is a cloud-agnostic, single control layer that coordinates ongoing delivery of new features, security updates, and platform configurations, helping to ensure the continuous operation of critical systems. Apollo allows our customers to run their software in virtually any environment.</p></blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/893f2de122cd5efcf5893a7ce73380fd\" alt=\"Data by YCharts\" title=\"Data by YCharts\" tg-width=\"635\" tg-height=\"491\"/><span>Data by YCharts</span></p><p>Over the first two years of PLTR&#39;s trading history, its market cap jumped as high as $60B, quickly retracted to ~$40–50B and later came crashing down to ~$15–20B range that lasted until Q1 2023. However...</p><h2 id=\"id_904035619\">Palantir Turned The Tables In 2023</h2><p>In 2023, Palantir joined forces with the ongoing and accelerating AI revolution driven by the likes of NVIDIA (NVDA), Microsoft (MSFT), OpenAI, Amazon (AMZN), Meta (META), etc. However, the result of Palantir&#39;s involvement in the AI very much differs from the abovementioned entities.</p><p>While NVIDIA facilitates the revolution with its state-of-the-art hardware, META increases the performance of marketing campaigns on its platforms, and AMZN with MSFT integrates AI-driven solutions to their existing products (AWS or Azure / Copilot), Palantir expanded its product offering with another platform—Artificial Intelligence Platform (AIP):</p><blockquote><p>AIP enables responsible AI-advantage across the enterprise by using primary, core components built to effectively activate LLMs and other AI within any organization. It provides unified access to open-source, self-hosted, and commercial LLMs that can transform structured and unstructured data into LLM-understandable objects and can turn organizations&#39; actions and processes into tools for humans and LLM-driven agents. AIP can allow organizations to power operational use of AI and LLMs with interfaces for decision making, feedback, and safe hand-off among AI agents and human operators with wide-spectrum security and audit controls, which allow for granular control over model usage and integrated human review checkpoints throughout the workflows. AIP is designed to be seamlessly bundled with existing Palantir offerings such as the Foundry, Gotham, and Apollo platforms.</p></blockquote><p>The fact that AIP is easily integrated with Palantir&#39;s other platforms largely facilitated the deployment process and enabled cross-sell opportunities to its existing clients. With Palantir&#39;s sales &amp; marketing efforts oriented around discussions with its clients, the Company has always been solution-oriented and aimed its platforms to respond to specific challenges faced by government bodies/large enterprises. That approach was also adopted at the early deployment stages of AIP, as Palantir held boot camps related to AIP, so its customers could witness first-hand the solution they were waiting for. Especially as most of Palantir&#39;s customers are risk-averse, with several cases of investing millions (or billions in some instances) in solutions that were never adopted.</p><p>With the &#39;quite a successful&#39; adoption of AIP, many investors already saw their window of opportunity. Palantir was (and I believe still is) accompanied by outstanding value drivers, which I cannot stress enough:</p><ul style=\"\"><li><p>A long-standing facilitation of public and commercial customers with increasing share of the commercial segment proves the top-tier quality of Palantir&#39;s platforms.</p></li><li><p>Palantir doesn&#39;t really have strong competitors and is far ahead of its &#39;peers&#39;.</p></li><li><p>Palantir showcased one of the most successful ways of monetizing the ongoing AI revolution.</p></li><li><p>Software-oriented business model, reflecting the scalability of its platforms across the dynamically increasing group of customers with high cross-sell and up-sell potential.</p></li></ul><p>The market recognised the abovementioned value drivers. I myself was lucky enough to establish a relatively large position in Palantir at an average cost of ~$10 per share during the first half of 2023. I made a few additions along the way, but I stopped increasing my position once the stock price exceeded $25 per share, as Palantir&#39;s share in my portfolio started to exceed my comfort level (I&#39;m a big advocate of diversification and saw too many ugly situations resulting from high concentration—whether in terms of portfolio or business performance).</p><p>When I was buying Palantir, I expected a solid upside and believed I would stick with the business for a long time. However, as its valuation recorded a completely outstanding growth in 2024, my primary assumption couldn&#39;t hold true—leading us to the next point.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/4b9994389a97250ba8ffd3d6aa1037ef\" alt=\"Data by YCharts\" title=\"Data by YCharts\" tg-width=\"635\" tg-height=\"491\"/><span>Data by YCharts</span></p><h2 id=\"id_3518363501\">This Week, I Sold All My Shares At ~$75 Per Share</h2><p>I feel it&#39;s appropriate to reserve a brief passage of my approach to investing to shed light on the rationale behind my exit from Palantir. I&#39;m an M&amp;A advisor (a fancy name for advising on buying and selling businesses) and an advocate of the timeless wisdom of investing legends such as Benjamin Graham or Warren Buffett. I tend to focus on the margin of safety, risk-to-reward profile, diversification, and often engage in income-producing businesses.</p><p>However, I&#39;m also a technological enthusiast with a particular interest in the ongoing AI revolution with established positions in leading players (MSFT, NVDA, AMZN, META, and until a few days ago... Palantir).</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/0b3e6fdbaae97f86f240335ddb2693e1\" alt=\"Seeking Alpha\" title=\"Seeking Alpha\" tg-width=\"636\" tg-height=\"704\"/><span>Seeking Alpha</span></p><p>To put it briefly, I lost comfort with holding on to Palantir at these prices. Its share in my portfolio reached a concerning level even though I stopped adding at the beginning of 2024.</p><p>It no longer provides investors with the margin of safety it used to, and I wouldn&#39;t feel comfortable with advising anybody on buying Palantir at these prices at the current stage of the business development. Before we jump to conclusions, let me state a few things.</p><p><strong>Yes</strong>, I believe Palantir is uniquely positioned to be a major technological player and has tremendous growth prospects ahead.</p><p><strong>No,</strong> I don&#39;t share the common belief that its growth is decelerating.</p><p><strong>However,</strong> even with upheld growth—I don&#39;t consider Palantir a $150B+ business (yet). It has quite a long way to go until it grows into its valuation. Please review the table and chart below, presenting Palantir&#39;s P/S ratio estimated through its current valuation and consensus sales estimated for the upcoming years.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/5426fecdf2b8d0a5e04c96f1cf43c065\" alt=\"Author\" title=\"Author\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"351\"/><span>Author</span></p><p>Please note that the projected sales revenue growth is pretty much in line with Palantir&#39;s growth history during the last several quarters.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/8bc1b6d1f231160085205a5b36c70ad7\" alt=\"Palantir&#39;s Q3 Earnings Presentation\" title=\"Palantir&#39;s Q3 Earnings Presentation\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"161\"/><span>Palantir&#39;s Q3 Earnings Presentation</span></p><p>For reference, as some may expect higher growth in the upcoming years, let&#39;s assume the highest y/o/y growth ratio Palantir experienced as our base scenario for 2025 and beyond.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/249d080814bfeac0c6b7243cf59b548a\" alt=\"Author\" title=\"Author\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"367\"/><span>Author</span></p><p>And now, let&#39;s take a look at some of the leaders in their respective fields, facilitating the AI revolution and the technological trends adopted worldwide: NVDA, MSFT, and META. Similarly, we took their current valuation and divided it by consensus sales estimates for the upcoming years.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/9d8a68271dc55d4235578638b92f689d\" alt=\"Author\" title=\"Author\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"248\"/><span>Author</span></p><p><strong>Conclusion:</strong> Even though the abovementioned businesses <em>DO NOT COMPARE</em> to Palantir and are at <em>VERY DIFFERENT GROWTH STAGES</em> as Palantir has a dynamic growth path ahead, I don&#39;t believe it justifies its current valuation—let&#39;s remember that each presented business holds leadership, well-established, and still growing position. Should Palantir deliver the expected growth metrics, it will certainly grow into its current valuation, but the place where the business is right now and the growth expectations set ahead don&#39;t leave much room for future upside from buying Palantir right now.</p><p>To put it frankly, I can&#39;t uphold a bullish outlook and expectations of meaningful upside potential for a business generating $2.8B in sales (even accounting for 20–30% growth prospects) valued at $150–160B.</p><p>I expect a downward movement from current levels and will certainly consider establishing my position once again, but for now—it was a time for me to take profits. I&#39;m aware of the large following of Palantir, and it doesn&#39;t surprise me—the business is set to record incredible performance in the upcoming years. However, business development is one thing and the price you pay for it is another.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/329c2429e2ecf3e8466feeda7e82ae6c\" alt=\"Seeking Alpha\" title=\"Seeking Alpha\" tg-width=\"527\" tg-height=\"252\"/><span>Seeking Alpha</span></p><p>For further reference, Wall Street Analysts expect very limited upside potential with the highest price target of $80 per share, an average of $45 (implying over 32% downside risk), and the lowest one (completely detached from Palantir&#39;s potential in my view—overly pessimistic) at $11 per share.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/82d7a1004c95483aabe93f1d4b37fc26\" alt=\"Seeking Alpha\" title=\"Seeking Alpha\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"190\"/><span>Seeking Alpha</span></p><p>It&#39;s also worth mentioning that more bearish voices have been raised recently, with Ark Invest unloading over 196 thousand shares and Morgan Stanley (MS) initiating its coverage with a price target of $60 per share.</p><h2 id=\"id_26700235\">The Bottom Line</h2><p>For transparency, I first established my position in Palantir at the beginning of 2023. It was quite large, and after I added a few times, I stopped reinvesting once the stock price increased over $25 per share at the beginning of 2024 as Palantir&#39;s share in my portfolio started to exceed my comfort level. My final average cost basis amounted to ~$11.6 per share (including several additions) and this week, I decided to sell all my shares at ~$75 per share.</p><p>As Benjamin Graham likes to portray with its wonderful &#39;Mr Market&#39; metaphor, the market often gets overenthusiastic with dynamically growing businesses, leading to valuation detached from fundamentals and growth prospects.</p><p>With all the respect to Palantir&#39;s outstanding team capable of creating great platforms serving leading institutions and businesses globally and tremendous growth potential, I consider its valuation detached from fundamentals and growth prospects. Palantir still has much business development to achieve until it grows into its current ~$150–160B valuation. I will follow Palantir closely and look forward to establishing another position at a different stage of its development.</p><p>I recognise numerous authors and analysts expressing continuous optimism and appreciation of Palantir&#39;s achievements. I share the appreciation, but as &#39;each to their own&#39;—I can&#39;t share the expectations of the upside potential justifying the risk accompanying investing in any business generating ~2.8B of sales at over $150B valuation (even with 20–30% growth rates for the upcoming years).</p><h4 id=\"id_1997545293\">Other Considerations</h4><p>Please note that I haven&#39;t established a short position in Palantir. I sold my shares and currently have no position in the Company. Should you be willing to take a step further than selling your currently owned shares and short the stock, please keep in mind that it may require deep pockets and expose you to additional risk factors.</p><p>Regarding Palantir&#39;s devoted bulls, please keep in mind that the stock price volatility and overvaluation are not sole risk factors accompanying Palantir, as it also has exposure to:</p><ul style=\"\"><li><p>Uncertainty regarding interest rate changes and their impact on the market as a whole.</p></li><li><p>Risk of other players entering the market and creating a competitive environment.</p></li><li><p>Uncertainty regarding the state of the economy and geopolitical tensions.</p></li><li><p>Risk of being unable to deliver solutions/updates/errors fixed in a timely and sufficient manner within the ever-changing technological space.</p></li></ul><p>Should you be willing to hold on to your shares or invest in Palantir—please make sure not to put all your eggs into one basket—diversification is key, especially within such volatile industries.</p></body></html>","source":"lsy1728464409321","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; 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Palantir serves mostly US customers (66% of revenue). During Q1-Q3 2024, it served nearly 630 customers (vs. 453 in the previous year).Palantir was founded over 20 years ago (2003) with an aim to facilitate US counterterrorism operations. Since then, it's been focusing on the public sector and serves various government bodies across the world, but it has also expanded to the commercial sector within which large businesses often face similar struggles when it comes to data:For over a decade, Gotham has surfaced insights for global defense agencies, the intelligence community, disaster relief organizations and beyond. Foundry is becoming a central operating system not only for individual institutions but also for entire industries. Apollo, which we began offering as a commercial solution in 2021, is a cloud-agnostic, single control layer that coordinates ongoing delivery of new features, security updates, and platform configurations, helping to ensure the continuous operation of critical systems. Apollo allows our customers to run their software in virtually any environment.Data by YChartsOver the first two years of PLTR's trading history, its market cap jumped as high as $60B, quickly retracted to ~$40–50B and later came crashing down to ~$15–20B range that lasted until Q1 2023. However...Palantir Turned The Tables In 2023In 2023, Palantir joined forces with the ongoing and accelerating AI revolution driven by the likes of NVIDIA (NVDA), Microsoft (MSFT), OpenAI, Amazon (AMZN), Meta (META), etc. However, the result of Palantir's involvement in the AI very much differs from the abovementioned entities.While NVIDIA facilitates the revolution with its state-of-the-art hardware, META increases the performance of marketing campaigns on its platforms, and AMZN with MSFT integrates AI-driven solutions to their existing products (AWS or Azure / Copilot), Palantir expanded its product offering with another platform—Artificial Intelligence Platform (AIP):AIP enables responsible AI-advantage across the enterprise by using primary, core components built to effectively activate LLMs and other AI within any organization. It provides unified access to open-source, self-hosted, and commercial LLMs that can transform structured and unstructured data into LLM-understandable objects and can turn organizations' actions and processes into tools for humans and LLM-driven agents. AIP can allow organizations to power operational use of AI and LLMs with interfaces for decision making, feedback, and safe hand-off among AI agents and human operators with wide-spectrum security and audit controls, which allow for granular control over model usage and integrated human review checkpoints throughout the workflows. AIP is designed to be seamlessly bundled with existing Palantir offerings such as the Foundry, Gotham, and Apollo platforms.The fact that AIP is easily integrated with Palantir's other platforms largely facilitated the deployment process and enabled cross-sell opportunities to its existing clients. With Palantir's sales & marketing efforts oriented around discussions with its clients, the Company has always been solution-oriented and aimed its platforms to respond to specific challenges faced by government bodies/large enterprises. That approach was also adopted at the early deployment stages of AIP, as Palantir held boot camps related to AIP, so its customers could witness first-hand the solution they were waiting for. Especially as most of Palantir's customers are risk-averse, with several cases of investing millions (or billions in some instances) in solutions that were never adopted.With the 'quite a successful' adoption of AIP, many investors already saw their window of opportunity. Palantir was (and I believe still is) accompanied by outstanding value drivers, which I cannot stress enough:A long-standing facilitation of public and commercial customers with increasing share of the commercial segment proves the top-tier quality of Palantir's platforms.Palantir doesn't really have strong competitors and is far ahead of its 'peers'.Palantir showcased one of the most successful ways of monetizing the ongoing AI revolution.Software-oriented business model, reflecting the scalability of its platforms across the dynamically increasing group of customers with high cross-sell and up-sell potential.The market recognised the abovementioned value drivers. I myself was lucky enough to establish a relatively large position in Palantir at an average cost of ~$10 per share during the first half of 2023. I made a few additions along the way, but I stopped increasing my position once the stock price exceeded $25 per share, as Palantir's share in my portfolio started to exceed my comfort level (I'm a big advocate of diversification and saw too many ugly situations resulting from high concentration—whether in terms of portfolio or business performance).When I was buying Palantir, I expected a solid upside and believed I would stick with the business for a long time. However, as its valuation recorded a completely outstanding growth in 2024, my primary assumption couldn't hold true—leading us to the next point.Data by YChartsThis Week, I Sold All My Shares At ~$75 Per ShareI feel it's appropriate to reserve a brief passage of my approach to investing to shed light on the rationale behind my exit from Palantir. I'm an M&A advisor (a fancy name for advising on buying and selling businesses) and an advocate of the timeless wisdom of investing legends such as Benjamin Graham or Warren Buffett. I tend to focus on the margin of safety, risk-to-reward profile, diversification, and often engage in income-producing businesses.However, I'm also a technological enthusiast with a particular interest in the ongoing AI revolution with established positions in leading players (MSFT, NVDA, AMZN, META, and until a few days ago... Palantir).Seeking AlphaTo put it briefly, I lost comfort with holding on to Palantir at these prices. Its share in my portfolio reached a concerning level even though I stopped adding at the beginning of 2024.It no longer provides investors with the margin of safety it used to, and I wouldn't feel comfortable with advising anybody on buying Palantir at these prices at the current stage of the business development. Before we jump to conclusions, let me state a few things.Yes, I believe Palantir is uniquely positioned to be a major technological player and has tremendous growth prospects ahead.No, I don't share the common belief that its growth is decelerating.However, even with upheld growth—I don't consider Palantir a $150B+ business (yet). It has quite a long way to go until it grows into its valuation. Please review the table and chart below, presenting Palantir's P/S ratio estimated through its current valuation and consensus sales estimated for the upcoming years.AuthorPlease note that the projected sales revenue growth is pretty much in line with Palantir's growth history during the last several quarters.Palantir's Q3 Earnings PresentationFor reference, as some may expect higher growth in the upcoming years, let's assume the highest y/o/y growth ratio Palantir experienced as our base scenario for 2025 and beyond.AuthorAnd now, let's take a look at some of the leaders in their respective fields, facilitating the AI revolution and the technological trends adopted worldwide: NVDA, MSFT, and META. Similarly, we took their current valuation and divided it by consensus sales estimates for the upcoming years.AuthorConclusion: Even though the abovementioned businesses DO NOT COMPARE to Palantir and are at VERY DIFFERENT GROWTH STAGES as Palantir has a dynamic growth path ahead, I don't believe it justifies its current valuation—let's remember that each presented business holds leadership, well-established, and still growing position. Should Palantir deliver the expected growth metrics, it will certainly grow into its current valuation, but the place where the business is right now and the growth expectations set ahead don't leave much room for future upside from buying Palantir right now.To put it frankly, I can't uphold a bullish outlook and expectations of meaningful upside potential for a business generating $2.8B in sales (even accounting for 20–30% growth prospects) valued at $150–160B.I expect a downward movement from current levels and will certainly consider establishing my position once again, but for now—it was a time for me to take profits. I'm aware of the large following of Palantir, and it doesn't surprise me—the business is set to record incredible performance in the upcoming years. However, business development is one thing and the price you pay for it is another.Seeking AlphaFor further reference, Wall Street Analysts expect very limited upside potential with the highest price target of $80 per share, an average of $45 (implying over 32% downside risk), and the lowest one (completely detached from Palantir's potential in my view—overly pessimistic) at $11 per share.Seeking AlphaIt's also worth mentioning that more bearish voices have been raised recently, with Ark Invest unloading over 196 thousand shares and Morgan Stanley (MS) initiating its coverage with a price target of $60 per share.The Bottom LineFor transparency, I first established my position in Palantir at the beginning of 2023. It was quite large, and after I added a few times, I stopped reinvesting once the stock price increased over $25 per share at the beginning of 2024 as Palantir's share in my portfolio started to exceed my comfort level. My final average cost basis amounted to ~$11.6 per share (including several additions) and this week, I decided to sell all my shares at ~$75 per share.As Benjamin Graham likes to portray with its wonderful 'Mr Market' metaphor, the market often gets overenthusiastic with dynamically growing businesses, leading to valuation detached from fundamentals and growth prospects.With all the respect to Palantir's outstanding team capable of creating great platforms serving leading institutions and businesses globally and tremendous growth potential, I consider its valuation detached from fundamentals and growth prospects. Palantir still has much business development to achieve until it grows into its current ~$150–160B valuation. I will follow Palantir closely and look forward to establishing another position at a different stage of its development.I recognise numerous authors and analysts expressing continuous optimism and appreciation of Palantir's achievements. I share the appreciation, but as 'each to their own'—I can't share the expectations of the upside potential justifying the risk accompanying investing in any business generating ~2.8B of sales at over $150B valuation (even with 20–30% growth rates for the upcoming years).Other ConsiderationsPlease note that I haven't established a short position in Palantir. I sold my shares and currently have no position in the Company. Should you be willing to take a step further than selling your currently owned shares and short the stock, please keep in mind that it may require deep pockets and expose you to additional risk factors.Regarding Palantir's devoted bulls, please keep in mind that the stock price volatility and overvaluation are not sole risk factors accompanying Palantir, as it also has exposure to:Uncertainty regarding interest rate changes and their impact on the market as a whole.Risk of other players entering the market and creating a competitive environment.Uncertainty regarding the state of the economy and geopolitical tensions.Risk of being unable to deliver solutions/updates/errors fixed in a timely and sufficient manner within the ever-changing technological space.Should you be willing to hold on to your shares or invest in Palantir—please make sure not to put all your eggs into one basket—diversification is key, especially within such volatile industries.","news_type":1,"symbols_score_info":{"PLTR":1.1}},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":3191,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[{"author":{"id":"4094001495024510","authorId":"4094001495024510","name":"Xingguo Li","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/18ff5843a1fff5ea4398d4fcd2beda32","crmLevel":12,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"authorIdStr":"4094001495024510","idStr":"4094001495024510"},"content":"How do you know he quietly bought back?","text":"How do you know he quietly bought back?","html":"How do you know he quietly bought back?"}],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":378260590514504,"gmtCreate":1733391559110,"gmtModify":1733391563126,"author":{"id":"3582712972054494","authorId":"3582712972054494","name":"Tonykhoo","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":11,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"authorIdStr":"3582712972054494","idStr":"3582712972054494"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"Yields will continue to improve and will top estimates.","listText":"Yields will continue to improve and will top estimates.","text":"Yields will continue to improve and will top estimates.","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/378260590514504","repostId":"1171018441","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"1171018441","kind":"news","pubTimestamp":1733379857,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/1171018441?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2024-12-05 14:24","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Nvidia's Pullback: The Calm Before Takeoff","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1171018441","media":"Seeking Alpha","summary":"SummaryNvidia’s Data Center revenue soared 112% YoY in Q3 FY2025, hitting $30.8 billion, driven by Hopper GPUs.Blackwell ramp-up reduced gross margins to the low 70s, signaling near-term profitability","content":"<html><head></head><body><h2 id=\"id_2518164054\">Summary</h2><ul style=\"\"><li><p>Nvidia’s Data Center revenue soared 112% YoY in Q3 FY2025, hitting $30.8 billion, driven by Hopper GPUs.</p></li><li><p>Blackwell ramp-up reduced gross margins to the low 70s, signaling near-term profitability challenges but long-term stability.</p></li><li><p>Revenue diversification across India and Japan counters U.S.-China tensions, doubling regional cloud revenue YoY.</p></li><li><p>Nvidia’s H200 and Blackwell GPUs deliver record efficiency, cutting compute costs by 4x and driving adoption.</p></li><li><p>Nvidia’s stock consolidation sets the stage for a bullish breakout, targeting a $204 price level.</p></li></ul><h2 id=\"id_2382634154\">Investment Thesis</h2><p>Since our last coverage, we anticipated Nvidia’s strong Q3 FY2025 results would fuel another bullish run. While Nvidia delivered an earnings beat, with Data Center revenue up 112% YoY to $30.8 billion driven by Hopper H200 GPUs and rising AI workloads, the stock has pulled back due to several factors.</p><p>Near-term gross margin compression from the Blackwell ramp, geopolitical risks from U.S.-China tensions, and market skepticism over AI growth sustainability have weighed on sentiment. Concerns over enterprise digestion phases for AI investments and reliance on China despite regional diversification also contributed. While Nvidia’s long-term outlook remains robust, these headwinds have tempered investor optimism, driving the stock’s decline.</p><p>However, we believe this pullback is a healthy consolidation phase, providing the stock with a necessary pause to absorb its recent gains and establish a stronger support base. This period of stabilization is crucial before Nvidia can build momentum for another bullish breakout toward our $204 technical price target, driven by the sustained demand for AI infrastructure and its robust market leadership.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/c66ab1443d3f34ac4303614fa250b332\" alt=\"Yiazou (trendspider.com)\" title=\"Yiazou (trendspider.com)\" tg-width=\"1200\" tg-height=\"700\"/><span>Yiazou (trendspider.com)</span></p><h2 id=\"id_1185090237\">High Demand for AI and Accelerated Computing</h2><p>Nvidia’s Data Center segment had a sequential rise of 17% and an impressive YoY increase of 112% in revenue for Q3 FY2025. From $3.8 billion in Q3 fiscal 2023 to $30.8 billion in Q3 fiscal 2025 (in just 2 years) points to an 8X boom in the segment performance. These revenue numbers are the primary driver of the company’s consolidated revenue. 65% of Nvidia’s revenue was derived from the data center segment in Q3 fiscal 2023, but now the segment contribution has hit 88%. The Hopper architecture (mostly the H200 GPU) holds for much of this growth.</p><p>Sequentially, H200 sales scaled to double-digit billions and marked the fastest ramp ever for Nvidia. Now, Cloud Service Providers (CSPs) contributed ~50% of the Data Center segment’s revenue, which is &gt;2X YoY and points to the scale of AI workloads demanded by cloud environments. Regionally, Nvidia saw a 2x YoY increase in its regional cloud revenue across North America, EMEA, and Asia-Pacific, reflecting its broad penetration that aligns with CSPs ramping their Nvidia GPU-backed cloud instances.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/b23f1065599e5d892cf075ce3c0efb94\" alt=\"Q3 Presentation\" title=\"Q3 Presentation\" tg-width=\"623\" tg-height=\"491\"/><span>Q3 Presentation</span></p><p>Moreover, enterprise AI demand led to growth in specific areas (like multimodal and generative AI applications) extending Nvidia’s Data Center products. Blackwell’s launch may extend these trends in the upcoming quarters. Why? The initial performance of Blackwells attained a 2.2x leap against Hoppers and cost metrics points that GPT-3 benchmarks run on only ~64 Blackwell GPUs against ~256 H100s that reduce compute costs by 4x. As adoption scales, this cost-efficiency ratio solidifies Nvidia’s business edge in compute markets. Looking forward, $37.5 billion (~70% YoY) in Q4 revenue is based on continued demand for Hopper architecture and the initial ramping of Blackwell.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/f9332a08bc6266bcdf093f4bc1f369b9\" alt=\"Q3 Presentation\" title=\"Q3 Presentation\" tg-width=\"820\" tg-height=\"632\"/><span>Q3 Presentation</span></p><p>Regarding the concerns on China-specific Data Center revenue, it grew sequentially in Q3 but remained capped due to export controls.</p><blockquote><p>From a geographic perspective, our Data Center revenue in China grew sequentially due to shipments of export-compliant copper products to industries. As a percentage of total Data Center revenue, it <strong>remains well below</strong> levels prior to the onset of export controls. We expect the market in China to remain very competitive going forward.</p><p>Colette Kress, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer (Q3 2025 Earnings Call).</p></blockquote><p>Now, India has emerged as a potential counterbalance, with CSPs like Tata Communications and Infosys scaling deployments to ~10x GPU capacity within a year. Japan is also a vital growth market. Here, Nvidia’s partnership with SoftBank to build the country’s most powerful AI supercomputer reinforces its market lead in the Asia-Pacific region. These geographic expansions obviously minimize the risk of export restrictions that may intensify more under Trump 2.0. So, Nvidia is diversifying revenue sources across regions with less regulatory friction.</p><p>On the bottom-line, Nvidia’s gross margins of 75% non-GAAP reflect a stable cost structure despite rising OpEx due to Blackwell. The sequential uptick in GAAP operating expenses (+9%) is tied to higher development costs for new products (like Blackwell) pointing to reinvestment for prolonged capability. While demand for Blackwell products may temper margins slightly in the near term (low-70s), these will normalize to mid-70s with a full ramp-up. This continued top-line boom with +70% gross margins is good for the stock in terms of valuation.</p><p>Nvidia’s price-to-sales (PS) ratio stands at 30, near the average of 29.8 (since the AI wave, November 2022). This PS ratio underpins Nvidia’s revenue generation capability at a premium of 1,592.74%. The normalized price-to-earnings (P/E) ratio of 55 is near the lowest level of 46.41 (since the AI wave, November 2022) while the stock offers a 1,744.91% premium on forward earnings. This disparity between current valuation and high growth premiums suggests a potential massive upside in upcoming quarters.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/02192da94d6dd6c2f13b16762c9d42d8\" alt=\"Data by YCharts\" title=\"Data by YCharts\" tg-width=\"635\" tg-height=\"491\"/><span>Data by YCharts</span></p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/cc0a066867866dfeacba675ecc03dc2a\" alt=\"seekingalpha.com\" title=\"seekingalpha.com\" tg-width=\"932\" tg-height=\"221\"/><span>seekingalpha.com</span></p><p style=\"text-align: left;\"></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/01645bc2e099890bc984a67c07ae18ae\" alt=\"seekingalpha.com\" title=\"seekingalpha.com\" tg-width=\"932\" tg-height=\"132\"/><span>seekingalpha.com</span></p><h2 id=\"id_262332301\">Scalability Concerns in Margin Pressures During Product Transitions</h2><p>Nvidia stock valuations, to some extent (based on the street sentiment), are dependent on the continued scalability of LLMs. There are three modes of LLM scaling for Nvidia—pre-training, post-training, and inference. Here, this dependence raises questions about the limits of scaling, as transitioning from 100K Hoppers to 100K Blackwells for foundation models may require rapid tech iteration with high CapEx cycles from clients again! Mag 7 (ex NVDA) is already under question for the ROI on AI investments. With a new cycle of Hopper to Blackwell replacement will create investor side concerns if the adoption of new scaling methods does not deliver proportional economic and operational benefits.</p><p>Additionally, as per the company, inference demand points to a growing installed base requiring upgrades but sustaining this demand assumes a constant appetite for AI-native services across enterprises. If industry enthusiasm for AI tapers and if enterprises face internal budget issues due to increasing bottom-line pressures, Nvidia’s infrastructure sales could encounter headwinds.</p><p>As Nvidia transitions from Hopper to Blackwell, gross margin pressure is a weak point. As the CFO projected, gross margins fell to the low 70s at the beginning of the Blackwell ramp, which is down from historically higher levels. The financial impact is critical. Why? First, this marks initial production inefficiencies and client onboarding for Blackwell systems. Further, mid-70s gross margins materialize in H2 2025. For the next quarters, the impact of this margin compression could be significant to dampen profitability (may result in earnings miss). The street may find it troubling as AMD (AMD) is closing the top-line growth gap and outpacing Nvidia in gross profit improvement since Q1 2024.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/7afca75a72af71720284c0f9e50d433f\" alt=\"Data by YCharts\" title=\"Data by YCharts\" tg-width=\"635\" tg-height=\"439\"/><span>Data by YCharts</span></p><p>Overall, Nvidia’s “trillion dollars of data center modernization” and “AI factories” assume a continuous upward demand. However, historical patterns in hardware deployment cycles suggest inevitable digestion phases, where clients pause to optimize and absorb CapEx. Nvidia’s projections may not account for these pauses as massive ROIs are also required for AI infrastructure. As Blackwell ramps, there is also the question of how long Nvidia can go on this pace before hitting saturation in major markets. The company assumes modernization will take several years but macro and geopolitical issues (Biden-Putin-Xi-Trump) can lead to reduced budgets and shifting priorities among enterprise clients and there will be a shift toward software-based optimizations that will for sure dilute demand for Nvidia’s hardware-centric products.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/46a5eb060785a7b5feb96a44e620d587\" alt=\"Company Overview IR\" title=\"Company Overview IR\" tg-width=\"932\" tg-height=\"559\"/><span>Company Overview IR</span></p><h2 id=\"id_3191182317\">Takeaway</h2><p>Nvidia’s recent pullback reflects short-term concerns over margin compression, geopolitical risks, and skepticism about the sustainability of AI-driven growth. However, the company’s exceptional Q3 results, driven by record Data Center performance and accelerating adoption of Hopper and Blackwell GPUs, underscore its leadership in the AI revolution. This consolidation phase is a healthy pause, setting the stage for future growth, as Nvidia remains well-positioned to capitalize on expanding AI infrastructure demand and its strong market foothold across diverse regions. With a $204 technical price target, the long-term investment case for Nvidia remains compelling.</p></body></html>","source":"lsy1728464409321","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Nvidia's Pullback: The Calm Before Takeoff</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nNvidia's Pullback: The Calm Before Takeoff\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2024-12-05 14:24 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://seekingalpha.com/article/4742050-nvidias-pullback-the-calm-before-takeoff><strong>Seeking Alpha</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>SummaryNvidia’s Data Center revenue soared 112% YoY in Q3 FY2025, hitting $30.8 billion, driven by Hopper GPUs.Blackwell ramp-up reduced gross margins to the low 70s, signaling near-term profitability...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4742050-nvidias-pullback-the-calm-before-takeoff\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"NVDA":"英伟达"},"source_url":"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4742050-nvidias-pullback-the-calm-before-takeoff","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1171018441","content_text":"SummaryNvidia’s Data Center revenue soared 112% YoY in Q3 FY2025, hitting $30.8 billion, driven by Hopper GPUs.Blackwell ramp-up reduced gross margins to the low 70s, signaling near-term profitability challenges but long-term stability.Revenue diversification across India and Japan counters U.S.-China tensions, doubling regional cloud revenue YoY.Nvidia’s H200 and Blackwell GPUs deliver record efficiency, cutting compute costs by 4x and driving adoption.Nvidia’s stock consolidation sets the stage for a bullish breakout, targeting a $204 price level.Investment ThesisSince our last coverage, we anticipated Nvidia’s strong Q3 FY2025 results would fuel another bullish run. While Nvidia delivered an earnings beat, with Data Center revenue up 112% YoY to $30.8 billion driven by Hopper H200 GPUs and rising AI workloads, the stock has pulled back due to several factors.Near-term gross margin compression from the Blackwell ramp, geopolitical risks from U.S.-China tensions, and market skepticism over AI growth sustainability have weighed on sentiment. Concerns over enterprise digestion phases for AI investments and reliance on China despite regional diversification also contributed. While Nvidia’s long-term outlook remains robust, these headwinds have tempered investor optimism, driving the stock’s decline.However, we believe this pullback is a healthy consolidation phase, providing the stock with a necessary pause to absorb its recent gains and establish a stronger support base. This period of stabilization is crucial before Nvidia can build momentum for another bullish breakout toward our $204 technical price target, driven by the sustained demand for AI infrastructure and its robust market leadership.Yiazou (trendspider.com)High Demand for AI and Accelerated ComputingNvidia’s Data Center segment had a sequential rise of 17% and an impressive YoY increase of 112% in revenue for Q3 FY2025. From $3.8 billion in Q3 fiscal 2023 to $30.8 billion in Q3 fiscal 2025 (in just 2 years) points to an 8X boom in the segment performance. These revenue numbers are the primary driver of the company’s consolidated revenue. 65% of Nvidia’s revenue was derived from the data center segment in Q3 fiscal 2023, but now the segment contribution has hit 88%. The Hopper architecture (mostly the H200 GPU) holds for much of this growth.Sequentially, H200 sales scaled to double-digit billions and marked the fastest ramp ever for Nvidia. Now, Cloud Service Providers (CSPs) contributed ~50% of the Data Center segment’s revenue, which is >2X YoY and points to the scale of AI workloads demanded by cloud environments. Regionally, Nvidia saw a 2x YoY increase in its regional cloud revenue across North America, EMEA, and Asia-Pacific, reflecting its broad penetration that aligns with CSPs ramping their Nvidia GPU-backed cloud instances.Q3 PresentationMoreover, enterprise AI demand led to growth in specific areas (like multimodal and generative AI applications) extending Nvidia’s Data Center products. Blackwell’s launch may extend these trends in the upcoming quarters. Why? The initial performance of Blackwells attained a 2.2x leap against Hoppers and cost metrics points that GPT-3 benchmarks run on only ~64 Blackwell GPUs against ~256 H100s that reduce compute costs by 4x. As adoption scales, this cost-efficiency ratio solidifies Nvidia’s business edge in compute markets. Looking forward, $37.5 billion (~70% YoY) in Q4 revenue is based on continued demand for Hopper architecture and the initial ramping of Blackwell.Q3 PresentationRegarding the concerns on China-specific Data Center revenue, it grew sequentially in Q3 but remained capped due to export controls.From a geographic perspective, our Data Center revenue in China grew sequentially due to shipments of export-compliant copper products to industries. As a percentage of total Data Center revenue, it remains well below levels prior to the onset of export controls. We expect the market in China to remain very competitive going forward.Colette Kress, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer (Q3 2025 Earnings Call).Now, India has emerged as a potential counterbalance, with CSPs like Tata Communications and Infosys scaling deployments to ~10x GPU capacity within a year. Japan is also a vital growth market. Here, Nvidia’s partnership with SoftBank to build the country’s most powerful AI supercomputer reinforces its market lead in the Asia-Pacific region. These geographic expansions obviously minimize the risk of export restrictions that may intensify more under Trump 2.0. So, Nvidia is diversifying revenue sources across regions with less regulatory friction.On the bottom-line, Nvidia’s gross margins of 75% non-GAAP reflect a stable cost structure despite rising OpEx due to Blackwell. The sequential uptick in GAAP operating expenses (+9%) is tied to higher development costs for new products (like Blackwell) pointing to reinvestment for prolonged capability. While demand for Blackwell products may temper margins slightly in the near term (low-70s), these will normalize to mid-70s with a full ramp-up. This continued top-line boom with +70% gross margins is good for the stock in terms of valuation.Nvidia’s price-to-sales (PS) ratio stands at 30, near the average of 29.8 (since the AI wave, November 2022). This PS ratio underpins Nvidia’s revenue generation capability at a premium of 1,592.74%. The normalized price-to-earnings (P/E) ratio of 55 is near the lowest level of 46.41 (since the AI wave, November 2022) while the stock offers a 1,744.91% premium on forward earnings. This disparity between current valuation and high growth premiums suggests a potential massive upside in upcoming quarters.Data by YChartsseekingalpha.comseekingalpha.comScalability Concerns in Margin Pressures During Product TransitionsNvidia stock valuations, to some extent (based on the street sentiment), are dependent on the continued scalability of LLMs. There are three modes of LLM scaling for Nvidia—pre-training, post-training, and inference. Here, this dependence raises questions about the limits of scaling, as transitioning from 100K Hoppers to 100K Blackwells for foundation models may require rapid tech iteration with high CapEx cycles from clients again! Mag 7 (ex NVDA) is already under question for the ROI on AI investments. With a new cycle of Hopper to Blackwell replacement will create investor side concerns if the adoption of new scaling methods does not deliver proportional economic and operational benefits.Additionally, as per the company, inference demand points to a growing installed base requiring upgrades but sustaining this demand assumes a constant appetite for AI-native services across enterprises. If industry enthusiasm for AI tapers and if enterprises face internal budget issues due to increasing bottom-line pressures, Nvidia’s infrastructure sales could encounter headwinds.As Nvidia transitions from Hopper to Blackwell, gross margin pressure is a weak point. As the CFO projected, gross margins fell to the low 70s at the beginning of the Blackwell ramp, which is down from historically higher levels. The financial impact is critical. Why? First, this marks initial production inefficiencies and client onboarding for Blackwell systems. Further, mid-70s gross margins materialize in H2 2025. For the next quarters, the impact of this margin compression could be significant to dampen profitability (may result in earnings miss). The street may find it troubling as AMD (AMD) is closing the top-line growth gap and outpacing Nvidia in gross profit improvement since Q1 2024.Data by YChartsOverall, Nvidia’s “trillion dollars of data center modernization” and “AI factories” assume a continuous upward demand. However, historical patterns in hardware deployment cycles suggest inevitable digestion phases, where clients pause to optimize and absorb CapEx. Nvidia’s projections may not account for these pauses as massive ROIs are also required for AI infrastructure. As Blackwell ramps, there is also the question of how long Nvidia can go on this pace before hitting saturation in major markets. The company assumes modernization will take several years but macro and geopolitical issues (Biden-Putin-Xi-Trump) can lead to reduced budgets and shifting priorities among enterprise clients and there will be a shift toward software-based optimizations that will for sure dilute demand for Nvidia’s hardware-centric products.Company Overview IRTakeawayNvidia’s recent pullback reflects short-term concerns over margin compression, geopolitical risks, and skepticism about the sustainability of AI-driven growth. However, the company’s exceptional Q3 results, driven by record Data Center performance and accelerating adoption of Hopper and Blackwell GPUs, underscore its leadership in the AI revolution. This consolidation phase is a healthy pause, setting the stage for future growth, as Nvidia remains well-positioned to capitalize on expanding AI infrastructure demand and its strong market foothold across diverse regions. With a $204 technical price target, the long-term investment case for Nvidia remains compelling.","news_type":1,"symbols_score_info":{"NVDA":1.1}},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":2239,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":378260410806560,"gmtCreate":1733391512450,"gmtModify":1733391798822,"author":{"id":"3582712972054494","authorId":"3582712972054494","name":"Tonykhoo","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":11,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"authorIdStr":"3582712972054494","idStr":"3582712972054494"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"Palantir will continue to soar to 100+. Don't listen to this kind of useless analyst&nbsp;","listText":"Palantir will continue to soar to 100+. Don't listen to this kind of useless analyst&nbsp;","text":"Palantir will continue to soar to 100+. Don't listen to this kind of useless analyst","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":7,"commentSize":1,"repostSize":1,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/378260410806560","repostId":"1122370904","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"1122370904","kind":"news","pubTimestamp":1733380559,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/1122370904?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2024-12-05 14:35","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Palantir Technologies: Taking Profits Makes Sense (Rating Downgrade)","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1122370904","media":"Seeking Alpha","summary":"SummaryPalantir has shown exceptional performance with strong revenue growth, but its current valuation is far overstretched, making it a risky investment at this time.Despite stellar Q3 results, Pala","content":"<html><head></head><body><h2 id=\"id_1134317926\">Summary</h2><ul style=\"\"><li><p>Palantir has shown exceptional performance with strong revenue growth, but its current valuation is far overstretched, making it a risky investment at this time.</p></li><li><p>Despite stellar Q3 results, Palantir&#39;s sales and EPS growth projections do not justify its high market cap and sales multiple.</p></li><li><p>Potential risks include an easing of geopolitical tensions and the incoming Trump administration, which could impact both Palantir&#39;s government and commercial segments.</p></li><li><p>Retail investors should consider taking profits now and wait for a more opportune time to reinvest, given the stock&#39;s premium valuation and potential headwinds.</p></li></ul><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/554bfffe59edb9acf6bf12d15a231da8\" alt=\"Palantir Technologies\" title=\"Palantir Technologies\" tg-width=\"750\" tg-height=\"500\"/><span>Palantir Technologies</span></p><h2 id=\"id_3653104960\">Prelude</h2><p>Palantir Technologies Inc. is an incredible company, there is no denying that. The company is one of the most hyped AI plays on the market and has greatly rewarded long-term investors. I initiated coverage of Palantir with a Buy rating back in January when the stock was trading below $20. I followed that up at the end of March with a Hold rating on valuation concerns. Clearly, I underestimated the extent to which the market loved this stock, even though my first article was titled &#34;There&#39;s A Lot To Love Here&#34;. I was analyzing the company through the lens of a value investor at a time when the market was pricing this as a hyper-growth stock. This was clearly a mistake.</p><p>The market has greatly rewarded Palantir for exceptional execution amidst surging demand for AI products. In the recent Q3 results, Palantir reported several very promising results. These included:</p><ul style=\"\"><li><p>US revenue grew 44% YoY and 14% QoQ, with US commercial revenue growing 54% YoY and 13% QoQ. US government revenue grew 40% YoY and 15% QoQ.</p></li><li><p>Total revenue grew 30% YoY and 7% QoQ.</p></li><li><p>The company closed 104 deals over $1 million.</p></li><li><p>Customer count grew 39% YoY and 6% QoQ.</p></li><li><p>GAAP net income reached $144m, marking a 20% net margin.</p></li><li><p>Adjusted income from operations of $276m, representing a 38% adjusted operating margin.</p></li><li><p>GAAP EPS grew 100% year-over-year to $0.06.</p></li><li><p>Adjusted EPS grew 43% year-over-year to $0.10.</p></li><li><p>Cash, cash equivalents, and short-term U.S. Treasury securities of $4.6b.</p></li><li><p>Adjusted free cash flow of $435m, representing a 60% FCF margin and over $1 billion on a trailing twelve-month basis.</p></li></ul><p>These are definitely stellar results. Despite the quality of the report though, the fact remains that Palantir is not even on track to break $3b in revenue this year. The company is currently trading at a market cap of $150b, leading to a ridiculous sales multiple of 50. Meanwhile, for every share you buy for $66 you are buying only $0.06 in earnings. Palantir is priced for ridiculous levels of growth. If both sales and EPS doubled each year for the next five years, this would bring 2029 sales to $96b and EPS to $1.92. Meaning, the five-year forward sales and earnings multiples respectively are still a ridiculous 1.5x and 34x. These forward multiples require growth to accelerate from its current levels, despite Palantir&#39;s already exceptional performance. This doesn&#39;t seem very realistic. This comes while stock-based comp continues to outpace share repurchases, diluting existing investors, and while management has been dumping shares for several months.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/a6e4afea213232e6728139d47c4949b2\" alt=\"Quiver Quantitative\" title=\"Quiver Quantitative\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"499\"/><span>Quiver Quantitative</span></p><p>Institution and insider selling alike has been offset by the wave of purchasing from retail, who now owns 43% of the company:</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/b41086036f118f8f3fbad09d0c5a0bef\" alt=\"Seeking Alpha\" title=\"Seeking Alpha\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"177\"/><span>Seeking Alpha</span></p><p>The retail community is chasing a hyped stock, while both insiders and institutions are taking profits. It makes sense for retail investors to take profits too.</p><p>With that said, I&#39;m downgrading Palantir again considering the ridiculous run the stock has had and the premium valuation that has resulted from it. The current price leaves very little room for upside and completely ignores the existence of any risks. While the past two years were comprised of exceptional execution by the company and lucrative stock performance, 2025 does not look as promising. The stock is priced for perfection, while the broader macro outlook is not as conducive to continued outsized stock returns.</p><h2 id=\"id_999461699\">Risks On The Horizon</h2><p>The Trump trade has accelerated Palantir&#39;s already fantastic year in 2024. It&#39;s unclear how beneficial the incoming Trump administration will be for Palantir in reality though. There are several reasons that Trump&#39;s presidency could produce meaningful headwinds for Palantir. Demand slowdowns in either the government or commercial end markets can lead to earnings misses, weaker than expected guidance, or a slowdown of growth. Any combination of these will severely hurt a stock with such a stretched valuation.</p><p>Palantir is a notable beneficiary of global conflicts because they stoke demand for the company&#39;s Gotham software. While it&#39;s undeniably good for humanity to end the current wars, it actually may not be great for Palantir. Trump has claimed that he will be able to negotiate a swift end to the Ukraine-Russia conflict. Trump has also told Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that he wants the conflict done by the time he enters office. The company sells Gotham to militaries and has been outspoken in support of Israel. A world that is entrenched in conflict creates a lot of demand for Gotham. Trump&#39;s plans to negotiate peace deals could harm a lot of this demand for Palantir and lead to weak growth in the coming years. While revenues sourced from the US military are likely safe, Palantir&#39;s Gotham sales into foreign markets could be at risk.</p><p>Additionally, government sales into non-military use cases are at risk due to the incoming Department of Government Efficiency, which has pledged to eviscerate costs across all levels of the bureaucracy. While I&#39;d expect Elon Musk would recognize the value of enterprise AI software like Palantir Foundry and Gotham, there may be contract re-negotiations or headcount reductions across government jobs. These could become headwinds for Palantir, something the company itself disclosed in the recent 10-Q:</p><blockquote><p>We continue to believe that our government customers remain a meaningful and resilient source of revenue for our business, particularly during periods of economic uncertainty. However, large government customers in particular are generally subject to a number of uncertainties regarding budgets and spending levels, changes in timing and spending priorities, and regulatory and policy changes, which can make it difficult to predict when, or if, we will make sales to such customers or the size and scope of any contract awards</p></blockquote><p>While this risk is unlikely to cause an outright decrease in sales, it could harm either sales growth or sales growth expectations in 2025. Something that, again, can really harm the performance of a stock with such stretched valuation.</p><p>On the other hand, the commercial segment has been turbocharging the stock this year. Many investors believe Palantir AIP (&#34;Artificial Intelligence Platform&#34;) is the product to beat for enterprise AI. It&#39;s true that Palantir has a big lead in this space and there are very few true competitors. The company says so itself in its annual report, in which it says that internal software development projects are the principal competitor. There are very few companies even capable of commercializing enterprise AI in the way that Palantir has done so far. However, the narrative around commercial has also hinted at Palantir AIP becoming the &#39;AI Operating System&#39;, something that would dethrone the Microsoft (MSFT) Windows OS. This is extremely unlikely and not an outcome that investors should expect.</p><p>The three dominant operating systems currently are Google&#39;s (GOOG) Android, Apple&#39;s (AAPL) iOS, and Microsoft&#39;s Windows. These companies have a stranglehold on the consumer electronics market and have all begun implementing their own homegrown AI solutions throughout their ecosystem. Meanwhile, Microsoft is by far the market leader in enterprise software with Windows and Office. It has already commercialized Copilot, the AI assistant, which isn&#39;t the same as Palantir AIP but demonstrates the ease at which these companies can implement AI products throughout their stack. To grow into a 100x earnings multiple, Palantir would have to make serious headway against three of the largest and most dominant companies the world has ever seen. This isn&#39;t impossible, but there&#39;s far too much uncertainty to invest with this expectation in mind.</p><p>Further, commercial spend on new software can be impacted by an economic recession. There has been euphoria since the election results came in, but Trump has several economic proposals that could harm economic growth. He has adopted a very protectionist geopolitical position, something that can very likely reignite inflation and keep rates higher for longer. On the other hand, tax cuts for businesses and individuals can stimulate spending, but again, could reignite inflation and expand an already problematic deficit. Trump has also made very protectionist comments regarding Taiwanese chip exports, signaling he favors developing a homegrown supply chain rather than this undue reliance on Taiwan. This could accentuate the supply shortages that Nvidia (NVDA) has been constrained by. Supply shortages can lead to rising cost of AI compute, which could ultimately impact Palantir&#39;s gross margin. Additionally, tariffs on Taiwanese chip imports would certainly raise prices on consumer electronics and could, again, reignite inflation.</p><h2 id=\"id_3793449471\">Investor Takeaway</h2><p>In this article, I&#39;ve taken on the challenging task of conveying a bearish sentiment on a company that, I believe, is exceptional. Very rarely would I suggest that investors sell such an exceptional stock, but this is an extreme circumstance. Palantir&#39;s valuation has become far too overstretched, and the market will come to this realization sooner than later. It&#39;s better for retail investors to secure some profits now and wait for a more opportune time to accumulate a larger position in the future.</p></body></html>","source":"lsy1728464409321","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Palantir Technologies: Taking Profits Makes Sense (Rating Downgrade)</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nPalantir Technologies: Taking Profits Makes Sense (Rating Downgrade)\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2024-12-05 14:35 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://seekingalpha.com/article/4742056-palantir-technologies-taking-profits-makes-sense-rating-downgrade><strong>Seeking Alpha</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>SummaryPalantir has shown exceptional performance with strong revenue growth, but its current valuation is far overstretched, making it a risky investment at this time.Despite stellar Q3 results, ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4742056-palantir-technologies-taking-profits-makes-sense-rating-downgrade\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"PLTR":"Palantir Technologies Inc."},"source_url":"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4742056-palantir-technologies-taking-profits-makes-sense-rating-downgrade","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1122370904","content_text":"SummaryPalantir has shown exceptional performance with strong revenue growth, but its current valuation is far overstretched, making it a risky investment at this time.Despite stellar Q3 results, Palantir's sales and EPS growth projections do not justify its high market cap and sales multiple.Potential risks include an easing of geopolitical tensions and the incoming Trump administration, which could impact both Palantir's government and commercial segments.Retail investors should consider taking profits now and wait for a more opportune time to reinvest, given the stock's premium valuation and potential headwinds.Palantir TechnologiesPreludePalantir Technologies Inc. is an incredible company, there is no denying that. The company is one of the most hyped AI plays on the market and has greatly rewarded long-term investors. I initiated coverage of Palantir with a Buy rating back in January when the stock was trading below $20. I followed that up at the end of March with a Hold rating on valuation concerns. Clearly, I underestimated the extent to which the market loved this stock, even though my first article was titled \"There's A Lot To Love Here\". I was analyzing the company through the lens of a value investor at a time when the market was pricing this as a hyper-growth stock. This was clearly a mistake.The market has greatly rewarded Palantir for exceptional execution amidst surging demand for AI products. In the recent Q3 results, Palantir reported several very promising results. These included:US revenue grew 44% YoY and 14% QoQ, with US commercial revenue growing 54% YoY and 13% QoQ. US government revenue grew 40% YoY and 15% QoQ.Total revenue grew 30% YoY and 7% QoQ.The company closed 104 deals over $1 million.Customer count grew 39% YoY and 6% QoQ.GAAP net income reached $144m, marking a 20% net margin.Adjusted income from operations of $276m, representing a 38% adjusted operating margin.GAAP EPS grew 100% year-over-year to $0.06.Adjusted EPS grew 43% year-over-year to $0.10.Cash, cash equivalents, and short-term U.S. Treasury securities of $4.6b.Adjusted free cash flow of $435m, representing a 60% FCF margin and over $1 billion on a trailing twelve-month basis.These are definitely stellar results. Despite the quality of the report though, the fact remains that Palantir is not even on track to break $3b in revenue this year. The company is currently trading at a market cap of $150b, leading to a ridiculous sales multiple of 50. Meanwhile, for every share you buy for $66 you are buying only $0.06 in earnings. Palantir is priced for ridiculous levels of growth. If both sales and EPS doubled each year for the next five years, this would bring 2029 sales to $96b and EPS to $1.92. Meaning, the five-year forward sales and earnings multiples respectively are still a ridiculous 1.5x and 34x. These forward multiples require growth to accelerate from its current levels, despite Palantir's already exceptional performance. This doesn't seem very realistic. This comes while stock-based comp continues to outpace share repurchases, diluting existing investors, and while management has been dumping shares for several months.Quiver QuantitativeInstitution and insider selling alike has been offset by the wave of purchasing from retail, who now owns 43% of the company:Seeking AlphaThe retail community is chasing a hyped stock, while both insiders and institutions are taking profits. It makes sense for retail investors to take profits too.With that said, I'm downgrading Palantir again considering the ridiculous run the stock has had and the premium valuation that has resulted from it. The current price leaves very little room for upside and completely ignores the existence of any risks. While the past two years were comprised of exceptional execution by the company and lucrative stock performance, 2025 does not look as promising. The stock is priced for perfection, while the broader macro outlook is not as conducive to continued outsized stock returns.Risks On The HorizonThe Trump trade has accelerated Palantir's already fantastic year in 2024. It's unclear how beneficial the incoming Trump administration will be for Palantir in reality though. There are several reasons that Trump's presidency could produce meaningful headwinds for Palantir. Demand slowdowns in either the government or commercial end markets can lead to earnings misses, weaker than expected guidance, or a slowdown of growth. Any combination of these will severely hurt a stock with such a stretched valuation.Palantir is a notable beneficiary of global conflicts because they stoke demand for the company's Gotham software. While it's undeniably good for humanity to end the current wars, it actually may not be great for Palantir. Trump has claimed that he will be able to negotiate a swift end to the Ukraine-Russia conflict. Trump has also told Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that he wants the conflict done by the time he enters office. The company sells Gotham to militaries and has been outspoken in support of Israel. A world that is entrenched in conflict creates a lot of demand for Gotham. Trump's plans to negotiate peace deals could harm a lot of this demand for Palantir and lead to weak growth in the coming years. While revenues sourced from the US military are likely safe, Palantir's Gotham sales into foreign markets could be at risk.Additionally, government sales into non-military use cases are at risk due to the incoming Department of Government Efficiency, which has pledged to eviscerate costs across all levels of the bureaucracy. While I'd expect Elon Musk would recognize the value of enterprise AI software like Palantir Foundry and Gotham, there may be contract re-negotiations or headcount reductions across government jobs. These could become headwinds for Palantir, something the company itself disclosed in the recent 10-Q:We continue to believe that our government customers remain a meaningful and resilient source of revenue for our business, particularly during periods of economic uncertainty. However, large government customers in particular are generally subject to a number of uncertainties regarding budgets and spending levels, changes in timing and spending priorities, and regulatory and policy changes, which can make it difficult to predict when, or if, we will make sales to such customers or the size and scope of any contract awardsWhile this risk is unlikely to cause an outright decrease in sales, it could harm either sales growth or sales growth expectations in 2025. Something that, again, can really harm the performance of a stock with such stretched valuation.On the other hand, the commercial segment has been turbocharging the stock this year. Many investors believe Palantir AIP (\"Artificial Intelligence Platform\") is the product to beat for enterprise AI. It's true that Palantir has a big lead in this space and there are very few true competitors. The company says so itself in its annual report, in which it says that internal software development projects are the principal competitor. There are very few companies even capable of commercializing enterprise AI in the way that Palantir has done so far. However, the narrative around commercial has also hinted at Palantir AIP becoming the 'AI Operating System', something that would dethrone the Microsoft (MSFT) Windows OS. This is extremely unlikely and not an outcome that investors should expect.The three dominant operating systems currently are Google's (GOOG) Android, Apple's (AAPL) iOS, and Microsoft's Windows. These companies have a stranglehold on the consumer electronics market and have all begun implementing their own homegrown AI solutions throughout their ecosystem. Meanwhile, Microsoft is by far the market leader in enterprise software with Windows and Office. It has already commercialized Copilot, the AI assistant, which isn't the same as Palantir AIP but demonstrates the ease at which these companies can implement AI products throughout their stack. To grow into a 100x earnings multiple, Palantir would have to make serious headway against three of the largest and most dominant companies the world has ever seen. This isn't impossible, but there's far too much uncertainty to invest with this expectation in mind.Further, commercial spend on new software can be impacted by an economic recession. There has been euphoria since the election results came in, but Trump has several economic proposals that could harm economic growth. He has adopted a very protectionist geopolitical position, something that can very likely reignite inflation and keep rates higher for longer. On the other hand, tax cuts for businesses and individuals can stimulate spending, but again, could reignite inflation and expand an already problematic deficit. Trump has also made very protectionist comments regarding Taiwanese chip exports, signaling he favors developing a homegrown supply chain rather than this undue reliance on Taiwan. This could accentuate the supply shortages that Nvidia (NVDA) has been constrained by. Supply shortages can lead to rising cost of AI compute, which could ultimately impact Palantir's gross margin. Additionally, tariffs on Taiwanese chip imports would certainly raise prices on consumer electronics and could, again, reignite inflation.Investor TakeawayIn this article, I've taken on the challenging task of conveying a bearish sentiment on a company that, I believe, is exceptional. Very rarely would I suggest that investors sell such an exceptional stock, but this is an extreme circumstance. Palantir's valuation has become far too overstretched, and the market will come to this realization sooner than later. 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Palantir stock closed higher 2.81% at $62.98 apiece on Tuesday.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/2af4b774d36b96e0e4b2199ff78efc39\" tg-width=\"873\" tg-height=\"622\"/></p><p>Palantir has long been a favorite of retail investors — in contrast, institutional investors spent most of the last couple of years openly doubting the stock. After a standout Q3 2024 earnings call on November 4, that perspective has shifted — hedge funds are now purchasing large quantities of PLTR shares, while Wall Street equity analysts are setting increasingly higher price targets.</p><p>It would not be a stretch to say that an atmosphere of greed is present — and with the hype surrounding both the wider AI industry and Palantir, it’s more important than ever to take note of and heed dissenting voices. Valuation has long been one of the primary concerns surrounding the Alex Karp-led business — and the recent surge in price has done nothing to dispel those worries.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">In stark contrast with most of his colleagues, one Jefferies researcher has set a price target that would correspond with a 60% decrease in PLTR share price — let’s take a closer look at his rationale.</p><h2 id=\"h-jefferies-analyst-brent-thill-sees-significant-downside-for-pltr-stock\" style=\"text-align: start;\">Jefferies analyst Brent Thill sees significant downside for PLTR stock</h2><p style=\"text-align: start;\">On November 7, Jefferies software and internet researcher Brent Thill downgraded Palantir stock to ‘Underperform’ from his prior ‘Hold’ rating. His previous price target of $28 remains unchanged.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Shares of the AI software infrastructure company are currently trading at a 43 times multiple of its calendar 2025 revenue. As noted by Thill, the last time such conditions were seen in the tech sector was the Covid bubble. However, seeing as how macro conditions have normalized, this is no longer a common sight — Palantir’s multiple is currently over four times as large as its next comparable peer.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">The expert added that although Palantir’s fundamentals ‘are alive,’ the company would have to accelerate growth to 40% for four years straight and trade at 12x estimated 2028 revenue ‘just for the stock to hold its price, which seems unlikely.’</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">At present, Thill deems even current prices unsustainable — and his arguments seem to hold water. In addition, the researcher pointed out that insider selling activity has picked up — most notably, CEO Alex Karp sold $398 million worth of PLTR stock on November 13.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">That’s not to say that he is completely bearish when it comes to the business — while he urged caution, the Jefferies analyst added that investors should wait for a better entry point — suggesting that, though he does believe in the company’s continued success, he foresees a steep correction in the short and medium term.</p></body></html>","source":"lsy1686302271270","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Is Palantir Stock in Trouble? 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Jefferies Predicts a 60% Crash\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2024-11-20 16:05 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://finbold.com/is-palantir-stock-in-trouble-jefferies-predicts-a-60-crash/><strong>Finbold</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>Thus far, 2024 has been the year of AI — and although stock market darling and semiconductor leader Nvidia (NASDAQ: NVDA) has been the most publicized winner of this new industry’s rapid rise, big ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://finbold.com/is-palantir-stock-in-trouble-jefferies-predicts-a-60-crash/\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"PLTR":"Palantir Technologies Inc."},"source_url":"https://finbold.com/is-palantir-stock-in-trouble-jefferies-predicts-a-60-crash/","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1101873677","content_text":"Thus far, 2024 has been the year of AI — and although stock market darling and semiconductor leader Nvidia (NASDAQ: NVDA) has been the most publicized winner of this new industry’s rapid rise, big data analytics company Palantir (NYSE: PLTR) could secure better yearly returns.Is Palantir stock in trouble Jefferies predicts a 60% crashAfter all, it is currently in the lead — whereas NVDA is up 196.86% since the beginning of the year, PLTR has secured gains of 266.80% in the same timeframe. Palantir stock closed higher 2.81% at $62.98 apiece on Tuesday.Palantir has long been a favorite of retail investors — in contrast, institutional investors spent most of the last couple of years openly doubting the stock. After a standout Q3 2024 earnings call on November 4, that perspective has shifted — hedge funds are now purchasing large quantities of PLTR shares, while Wall Street equity analysts are setting increasingly higher price targets.It would not be a stretch to say that an atmosphere of greed is present — and with the hype surrounding both the wider AI industry and Palantir, it’s more important than ever to take note of and heed dissenting voices. Valuation has long been one of the primary concerns surrounding the Alex Karp-led business — and the recent surge in price has done nothing to dispel those worries.In stark contrast with most of his colleagues, one Jefferies researcher has set a price target that would correspond with a 60% decrease in PLTR share price — let’s take a closer look at his rationale.Jefferies analyst Brent Thill sees significant downside for PLTR stockOn November 7, Jefferies software and internet researcher Brent Thill downgraded Palantir stock to ‘Underperform’ from his prior ‘Hold’ rating. His previous price target of $28 remains unchanged.Shares of the AI software infrastructure company are currently trading at a 43 times multiple of its calendar 2025 revenue. As noted by Thill, the last time such conditions were seen in the tech sector was the Covid bubble. However, seeing as how macro conditions have normalized, this is no longer a common sight — Palantir’s multiple is currently over four times as large as its next comparable peer.The expert added that although Palantir’s fundamentals ‘are alive,’ the company would have to accelerate growth to 40% for four years straight and trade at 12x estimated 2028 revenue ‘just for the stock to hold its price, which seems unlikely.’At present, Thill deems even current prices unsustainable — and his arguments seem to hold water. In addition, the researcher pointed out that insider selling activity has picked up — most notably, CEO Alex Karp sold $398 million worth of PLTR stock on November 13.That’s not to say that he is completely bearish when it comes to the business — while he urged caution, the Jefferies analyst added that investors should wait for a better entry point — suggesting that, though he does believe in the company’s continued success, he foresees a steep correction in the short and medium term.","news_type":1,"symbols_score_info":{"PLTR":1.1}},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":2257,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":372995203739896,"gmtCreate":1732073159693,"gmtModify":1732073162998,"author":{"id":"3582712972054494","authorId":"3582712972054494","name":"Tonykhoo","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":11,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"authorIdStr":"3582712972054494","idStr":"3582712972054494"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"These are the same analyst who said it was too ex when the stock was right below $30. 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servicing rich clients rose to more than S$2 billion ($1.5 billion) last year, doubling from 2015. It expects the same pace of increase in half that period as well-heeled people and family offices from various parts of the world head to Asia to park their money, said Shee Tse Koon, head of consumer and wealth banking at DBS.“Given the trajectory and traction we have had over the past years, our aim going forward is that by 2027 we want to double our wealth fees,” Shee said in an interview with Bloomberg News this week. Wealthy clients of Southeast Asia’s largest bank usually invest their cash to improve returns and many have also tapped DBS for their trust and legacy planning needs, he said.Shee’s optimism underscores the significance of rising wealth fees that boosted DBS’s income in recent years and will likely cushion its earnings with global interest rates set to decline. DBS is now the third-largest private bank in Asia, excluding China, only behind UBS Group AG and HSBC Holdings Plc, according to rankings by Asian Private Banker. The assets of DBS clients, including those at the private bank and lower-rung tiers, reached S$396 billion as of June. That is set to exceed S$500 billion by 2027 with the number of clients investing and buying insurance products expected to quadruple, Shee said without specifying the numbers. The bank also handles a third of Singapore’s 1,650 single family offices, he said.Singapore saw a $120 billion surge in financial assets booked from overseas last year, with China being the top source of new wealth in absolute terms, according to a Boston Consulting Group report published in July. Shee said there’s been “a good mix” of assets from North and South Asia, the Middle East and Europe with no particularly dominant region. The bank has grown its relationship manager headcount by around 20% since the middle of 2023, Shee said, adding that hiring continues and that they’re still working out future headcount. DBS had 730 relationship managers as of 2023, up 12% from a year ago and the second highest in Asia, excluding China, according to Asian Private Banker.DBS has two booking centers — Singapore and Hong Kong — for its wealthy clients across the regions. While the bank is seeing more traction from clients in Dubai, India and London, Shee said there is “no compelling reason” for now to consider the United Arab Emirates city as its third booking hub.DBS, like other banks, has grappled with ensuring that assets of its clients are clean. In July, the bank was fined HKD10 million ($1.3 million) by the Hong Kong Monetary Authority for lapses including failure to continuously monitor business relationships and to establish the source of wealth of high-risk customers between 2012 and 2019. In Singapore, DBS had some S$100 million exposure to clients who were convicted this year in the city-state’s largest money-laundering case where more than S$3 billion of assets were seized.DBS is constantly investing in both technology and people to detect misconduct and illicit flows, Shee said. It’s also boosting its surveillance and monitoring systems to keep pace with emerging criminal trends, he added. “The whole point is how you balance between being effective in anti-money laundering and risk management and yet remain efficient and open for business,” he said.Other highlights from the interview:DBS is open to additional partnerships in India where it has more than 500 branches. 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Don't listen to this kind of useless analyst","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":7,"commentSize":1,"repostSize":1,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/378260410806560","repostId":"1122370904","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"1122370904","kind":"news","pubTimestamp":1733380559,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/1122370904?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2024-12-05 14:35","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Palantir Technologies: Taking Profits Makes Sense (Rating Downgrade)","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1122370904","media":"Seeking Alpha","summary":"SummaryPalantir has shown exceptional performance with strong revenue growth, but its current valuation is far overstretched, making it a risky investment at this time.Despite stellar Q3 results, Pala","content":"<html><head></head><body><h2 id=\"id_1134317926\">Summary</h2><ul style=\"\"><li><p>Palantir has shown exceptional performance with strong revenue growth, but its current valuation is far overstretched, making it a risky investment at this time.</p></li><li><p>Despite stellar Q3 results, Palantir&#39;s sales and EPS growth projections do not justify its high market cap and sales multiple.</p></li><li><p>Potential risks include an easing of geopolitical tensions and the incoming Trump administration, which could impact both Palantir&#39;s government and commercial segments.</p></li><li><p>Retail investors should consider taking profits now and wait for a more opportune time to reinvest, given the stock&#39;s premium valuation and potential headwinds.</p></li></ul><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/554bfffe59edb9acf6bf12d15a231da8\" alt=\"Palantir Technologies\" title=\"Palantir Technologies\" tg-width=\"750\" tg-height=\"500\"/><span>Palantir Technologies</span></p><h2 id=\"id_3653104960\">Prelude</h2><p>Palantir Technologies Inc. is an incredible company, there is no denying that. The company is one of the most hyped AI plays on the market and has greatly rewarded long-term investors. I initiated coverage of Palantir with a Buy rating back in January when the stock was trading below $20. I followed that up at the end of March with a Hold rating on valuation concerns. Clearly, I underestimated the extent to which the market loved this stock, even though my first article was titled &#34;There&#39;s A Lot To Love Here&#34;. I was analyzing the company through the lens of a value investor at a time when the market was pricing this as a hyper-growth stock. This was clearly a mistake.</p><p>The market has greatly rewarded Palantir for exceptional execution amidst surging demand for AI products. In the recent Q3 results, Palantir reported several very promising results. These included:</p><ul style=\"\"><li><p>US revenue grew 44% YoY and 14% QoQ, with US commercial revenue growing 54% YoY and 13% QoQ. US government revenue grew 40% YoY and 15% QoQ.</p></li><li><p>Total revenue grew 30% YoY and 7% QoQ.</p></li><li><p>The company closed 104 deals over $1 million.</p></li><li><p>Customer count grew 39% YoY and 6% QoQ.</p></li><li><p>GAAP net income reached $144m, marking a 20% net margin.</p></li><li><p>Adjusted income from operations of $276m, representing a 38% adjusted operating margin.</p></li><li><p>GAAP EPS grew 100% year-over-year to $0.06.</p></li><li><p>Adjusted EPS grew 43% year-over-year to $0.10.</p></li><li><p>Cash, cash equivalents, and short-term U.S. Treasury securities of $4.6b.</p></li><li><p>Adjusted free cash flow of $435m, representing a 60% FCF margin and over $1 billion on a trailing twelve-month basis.</p></li></ul><p>These are definitely stellar results. Despite the quality of the report though, the fact remains that Palantir is not even on track to break $3b in revenue this year. The company is currently trading at a market cap of $150b, leading to a ridiculous sales multiple of 50. Meanwhile, for every share you buy for $66 you are buying only $0.06 in earnings. Palantir is priced for ridiculous levels of growth. If both sales and EPS doubled each year for the next five years, this would bring 2029 sales to $96b and EPS to $1.92. Meaning, the five-year forward sales and earnings multiples respectively are still a ridiculous 1.5x and 34x. These forward multiples require growth to accelerate from its current levels, despite Palantir&#39;s already exceptional performance. This doesn&#39;t seem very realistic. This comes while stock-based comp continues to outpace share repurchases, diluting existing investors, and while management has been dumping shares for several months.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/a6e4afea213232e6728139d47c4949b2\" alt=\"Quiver Quantitative\" title=\"Quiver Quantitative\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"499\"/><span>Quiver Quantitative</span></p><p>Institution and insider selling alike has been offset by the wave of purchasing from retail, who now owns 43% of the company:</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/b41086036f118f8f3fbad09d0c5a0bef\" alt=\"Seeking Alpha\" title=\"Seeking Alpha\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"177\"/><span>Seeking Alpha</span></p><p>The retail community is chasing a hyped stock, while both insiders and institutions are taking profits. It makes sense for retail investors to take profits too.</p><p>With that said, I&#39;m downgrading Palantir again considering the ridiculous run the stock has had and the premium valuation that has resulted from it. The current price leaves very little room for upside and completely ignores the existence of any risks. While the past two years were comprised of exceptional execution by the company and lucrative stock performance, 2025 does not look as promising. The stock is priced for perfection, while the broader macro outlook is not as conducive to continued outsized stock returns.</p><h2 id=\"id_999461699\">Risks On The Horizon</h2><p>The Trump trade has accelerated Palantir&#39;s already fantastic year in 2024. It&#39;s unclear how beneficial the incoming Trump administration will be for Palantir in reality though. There are several reasons that Trump&#39;s presidency could produce meaningful headwinds for Palantir. Demand slowdowns in either the government or commercial end markets can lead to earnings misses, weaker than expected guidance, or a slowdown of growth. Any combination of these will severely hurt a stock with such a stretched valuation.</p><p>Palantir is a notable beneficiary of global conflicts because they stoke demand for the company&#39;s Gotham software. While it&#39;s undeniably good for humanity to end the current wars, it actually may not be great for Palantir. Trump has claimed that he will be able to negotiate a swift end to the Ukraine-Russia conflict. Trump has also told Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that he wants the conflict done by the time he enters office. The company sells Gotham to militaries and has been outspoken in support of Israel. A world that is entrenched in conflict creates a lot of demand for Gotham. Trump&#39;s plans to negotiate peace deals could harm a lot of this demand for Palantir and lead to weak growth in the coming years. While revenues sourced from the US military are likely safe, Palantir&#39;s Gotham sales into foreign markets could be at risk.</p><p>Additionally, government sales into non-military use cases are at risk due to the incoming Department of Government Efficiency, which has pledged to eviscerate costs across all levels of the bureaucracy. While I&#39;d expect Elon Musk would recognize the value of enterprise AI software like Palantir Foundry and Gotham, there may be contract re-negotiations or headcount reductions across government jobs. These could become headwinds for Palantir, something the company itself disclosed in the recent 10-Q:</p><blockquote><p>We continue to believe that our government customers remain a meaningful and resilient source of revenue for our business, particularly during periods of economic uncertainty. However, large government customers in particular are generally subject to a number of uncertainties regarding budgets and spending levels, changes in timing and spending priorities, and regulatory and policy changes, which can make it difficult to predict when, or if, we will make sales to such customers or the size and scope of any contract awards</p></blockquote><p>While this risk is unlikely to cause an outright decrease in sales, it could harm either sales growth or sales growth expectations in 2025. Something that, again, can really harm the performance of a stock with such stretched valuation.</p><p>On the other hand, the commercial segment has been turbocharging the stock this year. Many investors believe Palantir AIP (&#34;Artificial Intelligence Platform&#34;) is the product to beat for enterprise AI. It&#39;s true that Palantir has a big lead in this space and there are very few true competitors. The company says so itself in its annual report, in which it says that internal software development projects are the principal competitor. There are very few companies even capable of commercializing enterprise AI in the way that Palantir has done so far. However, the narrative around commercial has also hinted at Palantir AIP becoming the &#39;AI Operating System&#39;, something that would dethrone the Microsoft (MSFT) Windows OS. This is extremely unlikely and not an outcome that investors should expect.</p><p>The three dominant operating systems currently are Google&#39;s (GOOG) Android, Apple&#39;s (AAPL) iOS, and Microsoft&#39;s Windows. These companies have a stranglehold on the consumer electronics market and have all begun implementing their own homegrown AI solutions throughout their ecosystem. Meanwhile, Microsoft is by far the market leader in enterprise software with Windows and Office. It has already commercialized Copilot, the AI assistant, which isn&#39;t the same as Palantir AIP but demonstrates the ease at which these companies can implement AI products throughout their stack. To grow into a 100x earnings multiple, Palantir would have to make serious headway against three of the largest and most dominant companies the world has ever seen. This isn&#39;t impossible, but there&#39;s far too much uncertainty to invest with this expectation in mind.</p><p>Further, commercial spend on new software can be impacted by an economic recession. There has been euphoria since the election results came in, but Trump has several economic proposals that could harm economic growth. He has adopted a very protectionist geopolitical position, something that can very likely reignite inflation and keep rates higher for longer. On the other hand, tax cuts for businesses and individuals can stimulate spending, but again, could reignite inflation and expand an already problematic deficit. Trump has also made very protectionist comments regarding Taiwanese chip exports, signaling he favors developing a homegrown supply chain rather than this undue reliance on Taiwan. This could accentuate the supply shortages that Nvidia (NVDA) has been constrained by. Supply shortages can lead to rising cost of AI compute, which could ultimately impact Palantir&#39;s gross margin. Additionally, tariffs on Taiwanese chip imports would certainly raise prices on consumer electronics and could, again, reignite inflation.</p><h2 id=\"id_3793449471\">Investor Takeaway</h2><p>In this article, I&#39;ve taken on the challenging task of conveying a bearish sentiment on a company that, I believe, is exceptional. Very rarely would I suggest that investors sell such an exceptional stock, but this is an extreme circumstance. Palantir&#39;s valuation has become far too overstretched, and the market will come to this realization sooner than later. It&#39;s better for retail investors to secure some profits now and wait for a more opportune time to accumulate a larger position in the future.</p></body></html>","source":"lsy1728464409321","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Palantir Technologies: Taking Profits Makes Sense (Rating Downgrade)</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nPalantir Technologies: Taking Profits Makes Sense (Rating Downgrade)\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2024-12-05 14:35 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://seekingalpha.com/article/4742056-palantir-technologies-taking-profits-makes-sense-rating-downgrade><strong>Seeking Alpha</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>SummaryPalantir has shown exceptional performance with strong revenue growth, but its current valuation is far overstretched, making it a risky investment at this time.Despite stellar Q3 results, ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4742056-palantir-technologies-taking-profits-makes-sense-rating-downgrade\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"PLTR":"Palantir Technologies Inc."},"source_url":"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4742056-palantir-technologies-taking-profits-makes-sense-rating-downgrade","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1122370904","content_text":"SummaryPalantir has shown exceptional performance with strong revenue growth, but its current valuation is far overstretched, making it a risky investment at this time.Despite stellar Q3 results, Palantir's sales and EPS growth projections do not justify its high market cap and sales multiple.Potential risks include an easing of geopolitical tensions and the incoming Trump administration, which could impact both Palantir's government and commercial segments.Retail investors should consider taking profits now and wait for a more opportune time to reinvest, given the stock's premium valuation and potential headwinds.Palantir TechnologiesPreludePalantir Technologies Inc. is an incredible company, there is no denying that. The company is one of the most hyped AI plays on the market and has greatly rewarded long-term investors. I initiated coverage of Palantir with a Buy rating back in January when the stock was trading below $20. I followed that up at the end of March with a Hold rating on valuation concerns. Clearly, I underestimated the extent to which the market loved this stock, even though my first article was titled \"There's A Lot To Love Here\". I was analyzing the company through the lens of a value investor at a time when the market was pricing this as a hyper-growth stock. This was clearly a mistake.The market has greatly rewarded Palantir for exceptional execution amidst surging demand for AI products. In the recent Q3 results, Palantir reported several very promising results. These included:US revenue grew 44% YoY and 14% QoQ, with US commercial revenue growing 54% YoY and 13% QoQ. US government revenue grew 40% YoY and 15% QoQ.Total revenue grew 30% YoY and 7% QoQ.The company closed 104 deals over $1 million.Customer count grew 39% YoY and 6% QoQ.GAAP net income reached $144m, marking a 20% net margin.Adjusted income from operations of $276m, representing a 38% adjusted operating margin.GAAP EPS grew 100% year-over-year to $0.06.Adjusted EPS grew 43% year-over-year to $0.10.Cash, cash equivalents, and short-term U.S. Treasury securities of $4.6b.Adjusted free cash flow of $435m, representing a 60% FCF margin and over $1 billion on a trailing twelve-month basis.These are definitely stellar results. Despite the quality of the report though, the fact remains that Palantir is not even on track to break $3b in revenue this year. The company is currently trading at a market cap of $150b, leading to a ridiculous sales multiple of 50. Meanwhile, for every share you buy for $66 you are buying only $0.06 in earnings. Palantir is priced for ridiculous levels of growth. If both sales and EPS doubled each year for the next five years, this would bring 2029 sales to $96b and EPS to $1.92. Meaning, the five-year forward sales and earnings multiples respectively are still a ridiculous 1.5x and 34x. These forward multiples require growth to accelerate from its current levels, despite Palantir's already exceptional performance. This doesn't seem very realistic. This comes while stock-based comp continues to outpace share repurchases, diluting existing investors, and while management has been dumping shares for several months.Quiver QuantitativeInstitution and insider selling alike has been offset by the wave of purchasing from retail, who now owns 43% of the company:Seeking AlphaThe retail community is chasing a hyped stock, while both insiders and institutions are taking profits. It makes sense for retail investors to take profits too.With that said, I'm downgrading Palantir again considering the ridiculous run the stock has had and the premium valuation that has resulted from it. The current price leaves very little room for upside and completely ignores the existence of any risks. While the past two years were comprised of exceptional execution by the company and lucrative stock performance, 2025 does not look as promising. The stock is priced for perfection, while the broader macro outlook is not as conducive to continued outsized stock returns.Risks On The HorizonThe Trump trade has accelerated Palantir's already fantastic year in 2024. It's unclear how beneficial the incoming Trump administration will be for Palantir in reality though. There are several reasons that Trump's presidency could produce meaningful headwinds for Palantir. Demand slowdowns in either the government or commercial end markets can lead to earnings misses, weaker than expected guidance, or a slowdown of growth. Any combination of these will severely hurt a stock with such a stretched valuation.Palantir is a notable beneficiary of global conflicts because they stoke demand for the company's Gotham software. While it's undeniably good for humanity to end the current wars, it actually may not be great for Palantir. Trump has claimed that he will be able to negotiate a swift end to the Ukraine-Russia conflict. Trump has also told Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that he wants the conflict done by the time he enters office. The company sells Gotham to militaries and has been outspoken in support of Israel. A world that is entrenched in conflict creates a lot of demand for Gotham. Trump's plans to negotiate peace deals could harm a lot of this demand for Palantir and lead to weak growth in the coming years. While revenues sourced from the US military are likely safe, Palantir's Gotham sales into foreign markets could be at risk.Additionally, government sales into non-military use cases are at risk due to the incoming Department of Government Efficiency, which has pledged to eviscerate costs across all levels of the bureaucracy. While I'd expect Elon Musk would recognize the value of enterprise AI software like Palantir Foundry and Gotham, there may be contract re-negotiations or headcount reductions across government jobs. These could become headwinds for Palantir, something the company itself disclosed in the recent 10-Q:We continue to believe that our government customers remain a meaningful and resilient source of revenue for our business, particularly during periods of economic uncertainty. However, large government customers in particular are generally subject to a number of uncertainties regarding budgets and spending levels, changes in timing and spending priorities, and regulatory and policy changes, which can make it difficult to predict when, or if, we will make sales to such customers or the size and scope of any contract awardsWhile this risk is unlikely to cause an outright decrease in sales, it could harm either sales growth or sales growth expectations in 2025. Something that, again, can really harm the performance of a stock with such stretched valuation.On the other hand, the commercial segment has been turbocharging the stock this year. Many investors believe Palantir AIP (\"Artificial Intelligence Platform\") is the product to beat for enterprise AI. It's true that Palantir has a big lead in this space and there are very few true competitors. The company says so itself in its annual report, in which it says that internal software development projects are the principal competitor. There are very few companies even capable of commercializing enterprise AI in the way that Palantir has done so far. However, the narrative around commercial has also hinted at Palantir AIP becoming the 'AI Operating System', something that would dethrone the Microsoft (MSFT) Windows OS. This is extremely unlikely and not an outcome that investors should expect.The three dominant operating systems currently are Google's (GOOG) Android, Apple's (AAPL) iOS, and Microsoft's Windows. These companies have a stranglehold on the consumer electronics market and have all begun implementing their own homegrown AI solutions throughout their ecosystem. Meanwhile, Microsoft is by far the market leader in enterprise software with Windows and Office. It has already commercialized Copilot, the AI assistant, which isn't the same as Palantir AIP but demonstrates the ease at which these companies can implement AI products throughout their stack. To grow into a 100x earnings multiple, Palantir would have to make serious headway against three of the largest and most dominant companies the world has ever seen. This isn't impossible, but there's far too much uncertainty to invest with this expectation in mind.Further, commercial spend on new software can be impacted by an economic recession. There has been euphoria since the election results came in, but Trump has several economic proposals that could harm economic growth. He has adopted a very protectionist geopolitical position, something that can very likely reignite inflation and keep rates higher for longer. On the other hand, tax cuts for businesses and individuals can stimulate spending, but again, could reignite inflation and expand an already problematic deficit. Trump has also made very protectionist comments regarding Taiwanese chip exports, signaling he favors developing a homegrown supply chain rather than this undue reliance on Taiwan. This could accentuate the supply shortages that Nvidia (NVDA) has been constrained by. Supply shortages can lead to rising cost of AI compute, which could ultimately impact Palantir's gross margin. Additionally, tariffs on Taiwanese chip imports would certainly raise prices on consumer electronics and could, again, reignite inflation.Investor TakeawayIn this article, I've taken on the challenging task of conveying a bearish sentiment on a company that, I believe, is exceptional. Very rarely would I suggest that investors sell such an exceptional stock, but this is an extreme circumstance. Palantir's valuation has become far too overstretched, and the market will come to this realization sooner than later. 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Palantir serves mostly US customers (66% of revenue). During Q1-Q3 2024, it served nearly 630 customers (vs. 453 in the previous year).</p><p>Palantir was founded over 20 years ago (2003) with an aim to facilitate US counterterrorism operations. Since then, it&#39;s been focusing on the public sector and serves various government bodies across the world, but it has also expanded to the commercial sector within which large businesses often face similar struggles when it comes to data:</p><blockquote><p>For over a decade, Gotham has surfaced insights for global defense agencies, the intelligence community, disaster relief organizations and beyond. Foundry is becoming a central operating system not only for individual institutions but also for entire industries. Apollo, which we began offering as a commercial solution in 2021, is a cloud-agnostic, single control layer that coordinates ongoing delivery of new features, security updates, and platform configurations, helping to ensure the continuous operation of critical systems. Apollo allows our customers to run their software in virtually any environment.</p></blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/893f2de122cd5efcf5893a7ce73380fd\" alt=\"Data by YCharts\" title=\"Data by YCharts\" tg-width=\"635\" tg-height=\"491\"/><span>Data by YCharts</span></p><p>Over the first two years of PLTR&#39;s trading history, its market cap jumped as high as $60B, quickly retracted to ~$40–50B and later came crashing down to ~$15–20B range that lasted until Q1 2023. However...</p><h2 id=\"id_904035619\">Palantir Turned The Tables In 2023</h2><p>In 2023, Palantir joined forces with the ongoing and accelerating AI revolution driven by the likes of NVIDIA (NVDA), Microsoft (MSFT), OpenAI, Amazon (AMZN), Meta (META), etc. However, the result of Palantir&#39;s involvement in the AI very much differs from the abovementioned entities.</p><p>While NVIDIA facilitates the revolution with its state-of-the-art hardware, META increases the performance of marketing campaigns on its platforms, and AMZN with MSFT integrates AI-driven solutions to their existing products (AWS or Azure / Copilot), Palantir expanded its product offering with another platform—Artificial Intelligence Platform (AIP):</p><blockquote><p>AIP enables responsible AI-advantage across the enterprise by using primary, core components built to effectively activate LLMs and other AI within any organization. It provides unified access to open-source, self-hosted, and commercial LLMs that can transform structured and unstructured data into LLM-understandable objects and can turn organizations&#39; actions and processes into tools for humans and LLM-driven agents. AIP can allow organizations to power operational use of AI and LLMs with interfaces for decision making, feedback, and safe hand-off among AI agents and human operators with wide-spectrum security and audit controls, which allow for granular control over model usage and integrated human review checkpoints throughout the workflows. AIP is designed to be seamlessly bundled with existing Palantir offerings such as the Foundry, Gotham, and Apollo platforms.</p></blockquote><p>The fact that AIP is easily integrated with Palantir&#39;s other platforms largely facilitated the deployment process and enabled cross-sell opportunities to its existing clients. With Palantir&#39;s sales &amp; marketing efforts oriented around discussions with its clients, the Company has always been solution-oriented and aimed its platforms to respond to specific challenges faced by government bodies/large enterprises. That approach was also adopted at the early deployment stages of AIP, as Palantir held boot camps related to AIP, so its customers could witness first-hand the solution they were waiting for. Especially as most of Palantir&#39;s customers are risk-averse, with several cases of investing millions (or billions in some instances) in solutions that were never adopted.</p><p>With the &#39;quite a successful&#39; adoption of AIP, many investors already saw their window of opportunity. Palantir was (and I believe still is) accompanied by outstanding value drivers, which I cannot stress enough:</p><ul style=\"\"><li><p>A long-standing facilitation of public and commercial customers with increasing share of the commercial segment proves the top-tier quality of Palantir&#39;s platforms.</p></li><li><p>Palantir doesn&#39;t really have strong competitors and is far ahead of its &#39;peers&#39;.</p></li><li><p>Palantir showcased one of the most successful ways of monetizing the ongoing AI revolution.</p></li><li><p>Software-oriented business model, reflecting the scalability of its platforms across the dynamically increasing group of customers with high cross-sell and up-sell potential.</p></li></ul><p>The market recognised the abovementioned value drivers. I myself was lucky enough to establish a relatively large position in Palantir at an average cost of ~$10 per share during the first half of 2023. I made a few additions along the way, but I stopped increasing my position once the stock price exceeded $25 per share, as Palantir&#39;s share in my portfolio started to exceed my comfort level (I&#39;m a big advocate of diversification and saw too many ugly situations resulting from high concentration—whether in terms of portfolio or business performance).</p><p>When I was buying Palantir, I expected a solid upside and believed I would stick with the business for a long time. However, as its valuation recorded a completely outstanding growth in 2024, my primary assumption couldn&#39;t hold true—leading us to the next point.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/4b9994389a97250ba8ffd3d6aa1037ef\" alt=\"Data by YCharts\" title=\"Data by YCharts\" tg-width=\"635\" tg-height=\"491\"/><span>Data by YCharts</span></p><h2 id=\"id_3518363501\">This Week, I Sold All My Shares At ~$75 Per Share</h2><p>I feel it&#39;s appropriate to reserve a brief passage of my approach to investing to shed light on the rationale behind my exit from Palantir. I&#39;m an M&amp;A advisor (a fancy name for advising on buying and selling businesses) and an advocate of the timeless wisdom of investing legends such as Benjamin Graham or Warren Buffett. I tend to focus on the margin of safety, risk-to-reward profile, diversification, and often engage in income-producing businesses.</p><p>However, I&#39;m also a technological enthusiast with a particular interest in the ongoing AI revolution with established positions in leading players (MSFT, NVDA, AMZN, META, and until a few days ago... Palantir).</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/0b3e6fdbaae97f86f240335ddb2693e1\" alt=\"Seeking Alpha\" title=\"Seeking Alpha\" tg-width=\"636\" tg-height=\"704\"/><span>Seeking Alpha</span></p><p>To put it briefly, I lost comfort with holding on to Palantir at these prices. Its share in my portfolio reached a concerning level even though I stopped adding at the beginning of 2024.</p><p>It no longer provides investors with the margin of safety it used to, and I wouldn&#39;t feel comfortable with advising anybody on buying Palantir at these prices at the current stage of the business development. Before we jump to conclusions, let me state a few things.</p><p><strong>Yes</strong>, I believe Palantir is uniquely positioned to be a major technological player and has tremendous growth prospects ahead.</p><p><strong>No,</strong> I don&#39;t share the common belief that its growth is decelerating.</p><p><strong>However,</strong> even with upheld growth—I don&#39;t consider Palantir a $150B+ business (yet). It has quite a long way to go until it grows into its valuation. Please review the table and chart below, presenting Palantir&#39;s P/S ratio estimated through its current valuation and consensus sales estimated for the upcoming years.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/5426fecdf2b8d0a5e04c96f1cf43c065\" alt=\"Author\" title=\"Author\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"351\"/><span>Author</span></p><p>Please note that the projected sales revenue growth is pretty much in line with Palantir&#39;s growth history during the last several quarters.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/8bc1b6d1f231160085205a5b36c70ad7\" alt=\"Palantir&#39;s Q3 Earnings Presentation\" title=\"Palantir&#39;s Q3 Earnings Presentation\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"161\"/><span>Palantir&#39;s Q3 Earnings Presentation</span></p><p>For reference, as some may expect higher growth in the upcoming years, let&#39;s assume the highest y/o/y growth ratio Palantir experienced as our base scenario for 2025 and beyond.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/249d080814bfeac0c6b7243cf59b548a\" alt=\"Author\" title=\"Author\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"367\"/><span>Author</span></p><p>And now, let&#39;s take a look at some of the leaders in their respective fields, facilitating the AI revolution and the technological trends adopted worldwide: NVDA, MSFT, and META. Similarly, we took their current valuation and divided it by consensus sales estimates for the upcoming years.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/9d8a68271dc55d4235578638b92f689d\" alt=\"Author\" title=\"Author\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"248\"/><span>Author</span></p><p><strong>Conclusion:</strong> Even though the abovementioned businesses <em>DO NOT COMPARE</em> to Palantir and are at <em>VERY DIFFERENT GROWTH STAGES</em> as Palantir has a dynamic growth path ahead, I don&#39;t believe it justifies its current valuation—let&#39;s remember that each presented business holds leadership, well-established, and still growing position. Should Palantir deliver the expected growth metrics, it will certainly grow into its current valuation, but the place where the business is right now and the growth expectations set ahead don&#39;t leave much room for future upside from buying Palantir right now.</p><p>To put it frankly, I can&#39;t uphold a bullish outlook and expectations of meaningful upside potential for a business generating $2.8B in sales (even accounting for 20–30% growth prospects) valued at $150–160B.</p><p>I expect a downward movement from current levels and will certainly consider establishing my position once again, but for now—it was a time for me to take profits. I&#39;m aware of the large following of Palantir, and it doesn&#39;t surprise me—the business is set to record incredible performance in the upcoming years. However, business development is one thing and the price you pay for it is another.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/329c2429e2ecf3e8466feeda7e82ae6c\" alt=\"Seeking Alpha\" title=\"Seeking Alpha\" tg-width=\"527\" tg-height=\"252\"/><span>Seeking Alpha</span></p><p>For further reference, Wall Street Analysts expect very limited upside potential with the highest price target of $80 per share, an average of $45 (implying over 32% downside risk), and the lowest one (completely detached from Palantir&#39;s potential in my view—overly pessimistic) at $11 per share.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/82d7a1004c95483aabe93f1d4b37fc26\" alt=\"Seeking Alpha\" title=\"Seeking Alpha\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"190\"/><span>Seeking Alpha</span></p><p>It&#39;s also worth mentioning that more bearish voices have been raised recently, with Ark Invest unloading over 196 thousand shares and Morgan Stanley (MS) initiating its coverage with a price target of $60 per share.</p><h2 id=\"id_26700235\">The Bottom Line</h2><p>For transparency, I first established my position in Palantir at the beginning of 2023. It was quite large, and after I added a few times, I stopped reinvesting once the stock price increased over $25 per share at the beginning of 2024 as Palantir&#39;s share in my portfolio started to exceed my comfort level. My final average cost basis amounted to ~$11.6 per share (including several additions) and this week, I decided to sell all my shares at ~$75 per share.</p><p>As Benjamin Graham likes to portray with its wonderful &#39;Mr Market&#39; metaphor, the market often gets overenthusiastic with dynamically growing businesses, leading to valuation detached from fundamentals and growth prospects.</p><p>With all the respect to Palantir&#39;s outstanding team capable of creating great platforms serving leading institutions and businesses globally and tremendous growth potential, I consider its valuation detached from fundamentals and growth prospects. Palantir still has much business development to achieve until it grows into its current ~$150–160B valuation. I will follow Palantir closely and look forward to establishing another position at a different stage of its development.</p><p>I recognise numerous authors and analysts expressing continuous optimism and appreciation of Palantir&#39;s achievements. I share the appreciation, but as &#39;each to their own&#39;—I can&#39;t share the expectations of the upside potential justifying the risk accompanying investing in any business generating ~2.8B of sales at over $150B valuation (even with 20–30% growth rates for the upcoming years).</p><h4 id=\"id_1997545293\">Other Considerations</h4><p>Please note that I haven&#39;t established a short position in Palantir. I sold my shares and currently have no position in the Company. Should you be willing to take a step further than selling your currently owned shares and short the stock, please keep in mind that it may require deep pockets and expose you to additional risk factors.</p><p>Regarding Palantir&#39;s devoted bulls, please keep in mind that the stock price volatility and overvaluation are not sole risk factors accompanying Palantir, as it also has exposure to:</p><ul style=\"\"><li><p>Uncertainty regarding interest rate changes and their impact on the market as a whole.</p></li><li><p>Risk of other players entering the market and creating a competitive environment.</p></li><li><p>Uncertainty regarding the state of the economy and geopolitical tensions.</p></li><li><p>Risk of being unable to deliver solutions/updates/errors fixed in a timely and sufficient manner within the ever-changing technological space.</p></li></ul><p>Should you be willing to hold on to your shares or invest in Palantir—please make sure not to put all your eggs into one basket—diversification is key, especially within such volatile industries.</p></body></html>","source":"lsy1728464409321","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; 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Palantir serves mostly US customers (66% of revenue). During Q1-Q3 2024, it served nearly 630 customers (vs. 453 in the previous year).Palantir was founded over 20 years ago (2003) with an aim to facilitate US counterterrorism operations. Since then, it's been focusing on the public sector and serves various government bodies across the world, but it has also expanded to the commercial sector within which large businesses often face similar struggles when it comes to data:For over a decade, Gotham has surfaced insights for global defense agencies, the intelligence community, disaster relief organizations and beyond. Foundry is becoming a central operating system not only for individual institutions but also for entire industries. Apollo, which we began offering as a commercial solution in 2021, is a cloud-agnostic, single control layer that coordinates ongoing delivery of new features, security updates, and platform configurations, helping to ensure the continuous operation of critical systems. Apollo allows our customers to run their software in virtually any environment.Data by YChartsOver the first two years of PLTR's trading history, its market cap jumped as high as $60B, quickly retracted to ~$40–50B and later came crashing down to ~$15–20B range that lasted until Q1 2023. However...Palantir Turned The Tables In 2023In 2023, Palantir joined forces with the ongoing and accelerating AI revolution driven by the likes of NVIDIA (NVDA), Microsoft (MSFT), OpenAI, Amazon (AMZN), Meta (META), etc. However, the result of Palantir's involvement in the AI very much differs from the abovementioned entities.While NVIDIA facilitates the revolution with its state-of-the-art hardware, META increases the performance of marketing campaigns on its platforms, and AMZN with MSFT integrates AI-driven solutions to their existing products (AWS or Azure / Copilot), Palantir expanded its product offering with another platform—Artificial Intelligence Platform (AIP):AIP enables responsible AI-advantage across the enterprise by using primary, core components built to effectively activate LLMs and other AI within any organization. It provides unified access to open-source, self-hosted, and commercial LLMs that can transform structured and unstructured data into LLM-understandable objects and can turn organizations' actions and processes into tools for humans and LLM-driven agents. AIP can allow organizations to power operational use of AI and LLMs with interfaces for decision making, feedback, and safe hand-off among AI agents and human operators with wide-spectrum security and audit controls, which allow for granular control over model usage and integrated human review checkpoints throughout the workflows. AIP is designed to be seamlessly bundled with existing Palantir offerings such as the Foundry, Gotham, and Apollo platforms.The fact that AIP is easily integrated with Palantir's other platforms largely facilitated the deployment process and enabled cross-sell opportunities to its existing clients. With Palantir's sales & marketing efforts oriented around discussions with its clients, the Company has always been solution-oriented and aimed its platforms to respond to specific challenges faced by government bodies/large enterprises. That approach was also adopted at the early deployment stages of AIP, as Palantir held boot camps related to AIP, so its customers could witness first-hand the solution they were waiting for. Especially as most of Palantir's customers are risk-averse, with several cases of investing millions (or billions in some instances) in solutions that were never adopted.With the 'quite a successful' adoption of AIP, many investors already saw their window of opportunity. Palantir was (and I believe still is) accompanied by outstanding value drivers, which I cannot stress enough:A long-standing facilitation of public and commercial customers with increasing share of the commercial segment proves the top-tier quality of Palantir's platforms.Palantir doesn't really have strong competitors and is far ahead of its 'peers'.Palantir showcased one of the most successful ways of monetizing the ongoing AI revolution.Software-oriented business model, reflecting the scalability of its platforms across the dynamically increasing group of customers with high cross-sell and up-sell potential.The market recognised the abovementioned value drivers. I myself was lucky enough to establish a relatively large position in Palantir at an average cost of ~$10 per share during the first half of 2023. I made a few additions along the way, but I stopped increasing my position once the stock price exceeded $25 per share, as Palantir's share in my portfolio started to exceed my comfort level (I'm a big advocate of diversification and saw too many ugly situations resulting from high concentration—whether in terms of portfolio or business performance).When I was buying Palantir, I expected a solid upside and believed I would stick with the business for a long time. However, as its valuation recorded a completely outstanding growth in 2024, my primary assumption couldn't hold true—leading us to the next point.Data by YChartsThis Week, I Sold All My Shares At ~$75 Per ShareI feel it's appropriate to reserve a brief passage of my approach to investing to shed light on the rationale behind my exit from Palantir. I'm an M&A advisor (a fancy name for advising on buying and selling businesses) and an advocate of the timeless wisdom of investing legends such as Benjamin Graham or Warren Buffett. I tend to focus on the margin of safety, risk-to-reward profile, diversification, and often engage in income-producing businesses.However, I'm also a technological enthusiast with a particular interest in the ongoing AI revolution with established positions in leading players (MSFT, NVDA, AMZN, META, and until a few days ago... Palantir).Seeking AlphaTo put it briefly, I lost comfort with holding on to Palantir at these prices. Its share in my portfolio reached a concerning level even though I stopped adding at the beginning of 2024.It no longer provides investors with the margin of safety it used to, and I wouldn't feel comfortable with advising anybody on buying Palantir at these prices at the current stage of the business development. Before we jump to conclusions, let me state a few things.Yes, I believe Palantir is uniquely positioned to be a major technological player and has tremendous growth prospects ahead.No, I don't share the common belief that its growth is decelerating.However, even with upheld growth—I don't consider Palantir a $150B+ business (yet). It has quite a long way to go until it grows into its valuation. Please review the table and chart below, presenting Palantir's P/S ratio estimated through its current valuation and consensus sales estimated for the upcoming years.AuthorPlease note that the projected sales revenue growth is pretty much in line with Palantir's growth history during the last several quarters.Palantir's Q3 Earnings PresentationFor reference, as some may expect higher growth in the upcoming years, let's assume the highest y/o/y growth ratio Palantir experienced as our base scenario for 2025 and beyond.AuthorAnd now, let's take a look at some of the leaders in their respective fields, facilitating the AI revolution and the technological trends adopted worldwide: NVDA, MSFT, and META. Similarly, we took their current valuation and divided it by consensus sales estimates for the upcoming years.AuthorConclusion: Even though the abovementioned businesses DO NOT COMPARE to Palantir and are at VERY DIFFERENT GROWTH STAGES as Palantir has a dynamic growth path ahead, I don't believe it justifies its current valuation—let's remember that each presented business holds leadership, well-established, and still growing position. Should Palantir deliver the expected growth metrics, it will certainly grow into its current valuation, but the place where the business is right now and the growth expectations set ahead don't leave much room for future upside from buying Palantir right now.To put it frankly, I can't uphold a bullish outlook and expectations of meaningful upside potential for a business generating $2.8B in sales (even accounting for 20–30% growth prospects) valued at $150–160B.I expect a downward movement from current levels and will certainly consider establishing my position once again, but for now—it was a time for me to take profits. I'm aware of the large following of Palantir, and it doesn't surprise me—the business is set to record incredible performance in the upcoming years. However, business development is one thing and the price you pay for it is another.Seeking AlphaFor further reference, Wall Street Analysts expect very limited upside potential with the highest price target of $80 per share, an average of $45 (implying over 32% downside risk), and the lowest one (completely detached from Palantir's potential in my view—overly pessimistic) at $11 per share.Seeking AlphaIt's also worth mentioning that more bearish voices have been raised recently, with Ark Invest unloading over 196 thousand shares and Morgan Stanley (MS) initiating its coverage with a price target of $60 per share.The Bottom LineFor transparency, I first established my position in Palantir at the beginning of 2023. It was quite large, and after I added a few times, I stopped reinvesting once the stock price increased over $25 per share at the beginning of 2024 as Palantir's share in my portfolio started to exceed my comfort level. My final average cost basis amounted to ~$11.6 per share (including several additions) and this week, I decided to sell all my shares at ~$75 per share.As Benjamin Graham likes to portray with its wonderful 'Mr Market' metaphor, the market often gets overenthusiastic with dynamically growing businesses, leading to valuation detached from fundamentals and growth prospects.With all the respect to Palantir's outstanding team capable of creating great platforms serving leading institutions and businesses globally and tremendous growth potential, I consider its valuation detached from fundamentals and growth prospects. Palantir still has much business development to achieve until it grows into its current ~$150–160B valuation. I will follow Palantir closely and look forward to establishing another position at a different stage of its development.I recognise numerous authors and analysts expressing continuous optimism and appreciation of Palantir's achievements. I share the appreciation, but as 'each to their own'—I can't share the expectations of the upside potential justifying the risk accompanying investing in any business generating ~2.8B of sales at over $150B valuation (even with 20–30% growth rates for the upcoming years).Other ConsiderationsPlease note that I haven't established a short position in Palantir. I sold my shares and currently have no position in the Company. Should you be willing to take a step further than selling your currently owned shares and short the stock, please keep in mind that it may require deep pockets and expose you to additional risk factors.Regarding Palantir's devoted bulls, please keep in mind that the stock price volatility and overvaluation are not sole risk factors accompanying Palantir, as it also has exposure to:Uncertainty regarding interest rate changes and their impact on the market as a whole.Risk of other players entering the market and creating a competitive environment.Uncertainty regarding the state of the economy and geopolitical tensions.Risk of being unable to deliver solutions/updates/errors fixed in a timely and sufficient manner within the ever-changing technological space.Should you be willing to hold on to your shares or invest in Palantir—please make sure not to put all your eggs into one basket—diversification is key, especially within such volatile 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Commission of India <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/CCI\">$(CCI)$</a> to use global turnover when calculating the penalties it imposes on companies for abusing their market dominance.</p><p>Since 2022, Tinder-owner Match MTCH.O and Indian startups have been locked in an antitrust battle with Apple at the CCI, where investigators last year issued a report saying the U.S. smartphone company had engaged in &#34;abusive conduct&#34; on the apps market of its iPhone Operating System, iOS.</p><p>Apple denied all wrongdoing, and the CCI is yet to make a final decision in the case, including about any penalty.</p><p>The company is asking judges to declare as illegal the 2024 law that allowed the CCI to use global turnover, not just that in India, when calculating penalties, according to its 545-page court filing, which is not public.</p><p>Apple&#39;s &#34;maximum penalty exposure&#34; at the rate of 10% of its average global turnover derived from all of its services globally for three fiscal 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smartphone company had engaged in &#34;abusive conduct&#34; on the apps market of its iPhone Operating System, iOS.</p><p>Apple denied all wrongdoing, and the CCI is yet to make a final decision in the case, including about any penalty.</p><p>The company is asking judges to declare as illegal the 2024 law that allowed the CCI to use global turnover, not just that in India, when calculating penalties, according to its 545-page court filing, which is not public.</p><p>Apple&#39;s &#34;maximum penalty exposure&#34; at the rate of 10% of its average global turnover derived from all of its services globally for three fiscal years to 2024 could be around $38 billion, it said in the filing.</p><p>Such a &#34;penalty based on global turnover...would be manifestly arbitrary, unconstitutional, grossly disproportionate, unjust,&#34; it added.</p><p>Apple and the CCI did not respond to requests for comment.</p><p>Companies also risk fines of as much as 10% of their global turnover for antitrust violations in the European Union.</p><p>RETROSPECTIVE IMPOSITION</p><p>Apple cited the CCI&#39;s use of the new rules for the first time on November 10 in an unrelated case, where they were retrospectively applied to a violation by the affected company a decade earlier.</p><p>Apple has &#34;no choice but to bring this constitutional challenge now to avoid retrospective imposition of penalty against them,&#34; it argued.</p><p>The company has maintained it is a small player compared to Google&#39;s Android, which is the dominant player in the Indian market.</p><p>Apple&#39;s smartphone base has, however, become four times larger in the last five years in India, according to Counterpoint Research.</p><p>APPLE CITES STATIONERY, TOYS EXAMPLE</p><p>The CCI found last year that Apple was not permitting any third-party payment processor to provide services for in-app purchases, where the fee could be up to 30%.</p><p>In a private submission to the CCI, reported by Reuters in October, Apple 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penalty law that since last year allows the Competition Commission of India $(CCI)$ to use global turnover when calculating the penalties it imposes on companies for abusing their market dominance.Since 2022, Tinder-owner Match MTCH.O and Indian startups have been locked in an antitrust battle with Apple at the CCI, where investigators last year issued a report saying the U.S. smartphone company had engaged in \"abusive conduct\" on the apps market of its iPhone Operating System, iOS.Apple denied all wrongdoing, and the CCI is yet to make a final decision in the case, including about any penalty.The company is asking judges to declare as illegal the 2024 law that allowed the CCI to use global turnover, not just that in India, when calculating penalties, according to its 545-page court filing, which is not public.Apple's \"maximum penalty exposure\" at the rate of 10% of its average global turnover derived from all of its services globally for three fiscal years to 2024 could be around $38 billion, it said in the filing.Such a \"penalty based on global turnover...would be manifestly arbitrary, unconstitutional, grossly disproportionate, unjust,\" it added.Apple and the CCI did not respond to requests for comment.Companies also risk fines of as much as 10% of their global turnover for antitrust violations in the European Union.RETROSPECTIVE IMPOSITIONApple cited the CCI's use of the new rules for the first time on November 10 in an unrelated case, where they were retrospectively applied to a violation by the affected company a decade earlier.Apple has \"no choice but to bring this constitutional challenge now to avoid retrospective imposition of penalty against them,\" it argued.The company has maintained it is a small player compared to Google's Android, which is the dominant player in the Indian market.Apple's smartphone base has, however, become four times larger in the last five years in India, according to Counterpoint Research.APPLE CITES STATIONERY, TOYS EXAMPLEThe CCI found last year that Apple was not permitting any third-party payment processor to provide services for in-app purchases, where the fee could be up to 30%.In a private submission to the CCI, reported by Reuters in October, Apple opponent Match argued a fine based on global turnover could \"act as a significant deterrent against recidivism\".In its court filing, Apple argued India should only impose a penalty based on the Indian revenue of the specific unit which violates antitrust law, giving an example of a toy seller running a stationery business.It would be arbitrary and disproportionate to levy a penalty on the stationery business's total turnover of 20,000 rupees, when the contravention is only in relation to the toy business that earns 100 rupees, it said.Apple's plea will be heard on December 3.\"Amended law is clear that CCI can consider global turnover,\" said Gautam Shahi, a competition law partner at Indian law firm Dua Associates. \"It will be difficult to convince the court to interfere with clearly laid down legislative policy.\"","news_type":1,"symbols_score_info":{"AAPL":0.9}},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":94,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":436017902125856,"gmtCreate":1747485808638,"gmtModify":1747485812748,"author":{"id":"3582712972054494","authorId":"3582712972054494","name":"Tonykhoo","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":11,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"authorIdStr":"3582712972054494","idStr":"3582712972054494"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"Good idea. Shld raise it to 10 percent. If they can pay 18 percent for tips, 5 percent is peanuts.&nbsp;","listText":"Good idea. Shld raise it to 10 percent. If they can pay 18 percent for tips, 5 percent is peanuts.&nbsp;","text":"Good idea. Shld raise it to 10 percent. If they can pay 18 percent for tips, 5 percent is peanuts.","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":4,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/436017902125856","repostId":"1199930645","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"1199930645","kind":"news","weMediaInfo":{"introduction":"Providing stock market headlines, business news, financials and earnings ","home_visible":1,"media_name":"Tiger Newspress","id":"1079075236","head_image":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/8274c5b9d4c2852bfb1c4d6ce16c68ba"},"pubTimestamp":1747474971,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/1199930645?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2025-05-17 17:42","market":"us","language":"en","title":"USA Proposes 5% Tax on Remittances by Non-Citizens – What It Could Mean for Indians","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1199930645","media":"Tiger Newspress","summary":"For many Indian families, it’s been a point of pride – and often livelihood – that their children send money back from the United States. But these families may be in for a bit of a shock – when they ","content":"<html><head></head><body><p>For many Indian families, it’s been a point of pride – and often livelihood – that their children send money back from the United States. But these families may be in for a bit of a shock – when they see less money in their accounts. That’s because a new tax has been proposed in the US – one that is aimed at these remittances specifically.</p><p>A U.S. bill proposes a 5% excise tax on any remittances that originate in the US to any other country. Indians are among the top three immigrant communities in the US with nearly 2.3 million Indians working there under various visa programmes. And these Indians account for one of the largest sources of remittances into India. In 2023 alone, they sent home over $23 billion.</p><p>But it’s not just H-1B, F-1 visa holders and green card holders who will be affected by the new Bill, if it is passed. For non-resident Indians in the US, the proposed tax will apply to any income they earn in the US from investments or stock options as well.</p><p>So take for instance a typical Indian family in the U.S. which sends home $1,000 a month. With the 5% tax, they will be able to send 50 dollars less. Inversely, they will have to send back a lot more money to offset the tax and ensure their monthly remittances to their families here don’t dip.</p><p>The Bill, which has been backed by Republicans, is linked to Trump’s broader economic agenda – and it has sparked off debate in Washington D.C.</p><p>Detractors, especially back here in India, warn that it could push remittances into informal or unregulated channels and make the U.S. less attractive to skilled workers from abroad. Some also argue that this could put pressure on employers to hike salaries just to offset the tax. There is also an argument that the tax unfairly targets legal immigrants, and could damage U.S. ties with countries like India.</p><p>“This levy clearly discriminates against non-US citizens who are contributing to the US economy in the same way as US citizens do. It is interesting to note that it is proposed to be levied by the same country that found India’s Equalisation Levy to be discriminatory!&#34; says Akhilesh Ranjan, former Member CBDT, now with PwC.</p><p>Similarly, Sandeep Jhunjhunwala, M&amp;A Tax Partner at Nangia Andersen LLP says, “A new remittance tax proposal by the House Republicans could significantly impact NRIs and other foreign nationals living in the United States. This represents a notable shift in US tax policy, particularly for foreign workers. By exempting only US citizens and nationals making remittance through qualified remittance transfer provider, the proposal disproportionately affects millions of lawful immigrants including green card holders, work visa holders, and non-resident aliens, many of whom maintain ongoing financial obligations in their home countries.”</p><p>“In addition to personal remittances, the provision could also affect compensation practices. Many foreign nationals receive RSUs as part of their pay packages. When these RSUs vest and are sold, the sales proceeds are often transferred overseas to home country, for personal use, family support, or investment. Under the proposed remittance tax, such transfers even of post-tax proceeds could attract the 5% excise levy, adding a layer of cost to already-taxed income,&#34; Jhunjhunwala added.</p><p>Ajay Rotti, founder of Tax Compass, a tax consultancy firm too believes that the tax has much larger implications. “A new legislative proposal in the United States, officially titled &#34;The One Big Beautiful Bill,&#34; seeks to impose a 5% excise tax on all international remittances sent by non-citizens. This includes individuals on non-immigrant visas such as H-1B and those holding green cards.&#34;</p><p>&#34;The bill aims to generate revenue from outbound remittances by non-citizens and levies a 5% remittance tax on outward remittance from US. The proposed 5% excise tax on international remittances by non-U.S. citizens is detailed in Section 112105 of the proposed Bill. This section outlines the specifics of the tax, including its applicability to non-citizens sending money abroad. The provision requires that the tax be collected by the remittance transfer providers and the remittance transfer providers are responsible for remitting such tax quarterly to the Secretary of the Treasury,” Rotti added.</p><p>Amarpal Chadha, Tax Partner and Mobility Leader, EY India, says, “The newly introduced U.S. bill proposes a 5% tax on remittances outside US and is currently at an early stage of consideration. The measure—if enacted—could place added financial pressure on Indian nationals working in the United States. Many may be forced to re-evaluate their remittance patterns, including the amount and frequency of remittances for the purpose of maintenance of family or investment in India.”</p><p>A senior Indian government official who did not wish to be named said, &#34;if this law is enacted it would amount to tax treaty override. We know that US constitution allows treaty override,  unlike India where more favourable law prevails, but this would be a very unwelcome treaty override from various countries point of views.&#34;</p><p>For now, this tax is just a proposal—but it’s already set alarm bells ringing across quite a few immigrant communities.</p><p></p><p><br/></p></body></html>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>USA Proposes 5% Tax on Remittances by Non-Citizens – What It Could Mean for Indians</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nUSA Proposes 5% Tax on Remittances by Non-Citizens – What It Could Mean for Indians\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n<a class=\"head\" href=\"https://laohu8.com/wemedia/1079075236\">\n\n\n<div class=\"h-thumb\" style=\"background-image:url(https://static.tigerbbs.com/8274c5b9d4c2852bfb1c4d6ce16c68ba);background-size:cover;\"></div>\n\n<div class=\"h-content\">\n<p class=\"h-name\">Tiger Newspress </p>\n<p class=\"h-time\">2025-05-17 17:42</p>\n</div>\n\n</a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<html><head></head><body><p>For many Indian families, it’s been a point of pride – and often livelihood – that their children send money back from the United States. But these families may be in for a bit of a shock – when they see less money in their accounts. That’s because a new tax has been proposed in the US – one that is aimed at these remittances specifically.</p><p>A U.S. bill proposes a 5% excise tax on any remittances that originate in the US to any other country. Indians are among the top three immigrant communities in the US with nearly 2.3 million Indians working there under various visa programmes. And these Indians account for one of the largest sources of remittances into India. In 2023 alone, they sent home over $23 billion.</p><p>But it’s not just H-1B, F-1 visa holders and green card holders who will be affected by the new Bill, if it is passed. For non-resident Indians in the US, the proposed tax will apply to any income they earn in the US from investments or stock options as well.</p><p>So take for instance a typical Indian family in the U.S. which sends home $1,000 a month. With the 5% tax, they will be able to send 50 dollars less. Inversely, they will have to send back a lot more money to offset the tax and ensure their monthly remittances to their families here don’t dip.</p><p>The Bill, which has been backed by Republicans, is linked to Trump’s broader economic agenda – and it has sparked off debate in Washington D.C.</p><p>Detractors, especially back here in India, warn that it could push remittances into informal or unregulated channels and make the U.S. less attractive to skilled workers from abroad. Some also argue that this could put pressure on employers to hike salaries just to offset the tax. There is also an argument that the tax unfairly targets legal immigrants, and could damage U.S. ties with countries like India.</p><p>“This levy clearly discriminates against non-US citizens who are contributing to the US economy in the same way as US citizens do. It is interesting to note that it is proposed to be levied by the same country that found India’s Equalisation Levy to be discriminatory!&#34; says Akhilesh Ranjan, former Member CBDT, now with PwC.</p><p>Similarly, Sandeep Jhunjhunwala, M&amp;A Tax Partner at Nangia Andersen LLP says, “A new remittance tax proposal by the House Republicans could significantly impact NRIs and other foreign nationals living in the United States. This represents a notable shift in US tax policy, particularly for foreign workers. By exempting only US citizens and nationals making remittance through qualified remittance transfer provider, the proposal disproportionately affects millions of lawful immigrants including green card holders, work visa holders, and non-resident aliens, many of whom maintain ongoing financial obligations in their home countries.”</p><p>“In addition to personal remittances, the provision could also affect compensation practices. Many foreign nationals receive RSUs as part of their pay packages. When these RSUs vest and are sold, the sales proceeds are often transferred overseas to home country, for personal use, family support, or investment. Under the proposed remittance tax, such transfers even of post-tax proceeds could attract the 5% excise levy, adding a layer of cost to already-taxed income,&#34; Jhunjhunwala added.</p><p>Ajay Rotti, founder of Tax Compass, a tax consultancy firm too believes that the tax has much larger implications. “A new legislative proposal in the United States, officially titled &#34;The One Big Beautiful Bill,&#34; seeks to impose a 5% excise tax on all international remittances sent by non-citizens. This includes individuals on non-immigrant visas such as H-1B and those holding green cards.&#34;</p><p>&#34;The bill aims to generate revenue from outbound remittances by non-citizens and levies a 5% remittance tax on outward remittance from US. The proposed 5% excise tax on international remittances by non-U.S. citizens is detailed in Section 112105 of the proposed Bill. This section outlines the specifics of the tax, including its applicability to non-citizens sending money abroad. The provision requires that the tax be collected by the remittance transfer providers and the remittance transfer providers are responsible for remitting such tax quarterly to the Secretary of the Treasury,” Rotti added.</p><p>Amarpal Chadha, Tax Partner and Mobility Leader, EY India, says, “The newly introduced U.S. bill proposes a 5% tax on remittances outside US and is currently at an early stage of consideration. The measure—if enacted—could place added financial pressure on Indian nationals working in the United States. Many may be forced to re-evaluate their remittance patterns, including the amount and frequency of remittances for the purpose of maintenance of family or investment in India.”</p><p>A senior Indian government official who did not wish to be named said, &#34;if this law is enacted it would amount to tax treaty override. We know that US constitution allows treaty override,  unlike India where more favourable law prevails, but this would be a very unwelcome treaty override from various countries point of views.&#34;</p><p>For now, this tax is just a proposal—but it’s already set alarm bells ringing across quite a few immigrant communities.</p><p></p><p><br/></p></body></html>\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"QQQ":"纳指100ETF","SQQQ":"纳指三倍做空ETF","SPY":"标普500ETF",".SPX":"S&P 500 Index",".DJI":"道琼斯","TQQQ":"纳指三倍做多ETF",".IXIC":"NASDAQ Composite"},"source_url":"","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1199930645","content_text":"For many Indian families, it’s been a point of pride – and often livelihood – that their children send money back from the United States. But these families may be in for a bit of a shock – when they see less money in their accounts. That’s because a new tax has been proposed in the US – one that is aimed at these remittances specifically.A U.S. bill proposes a 5% excise tax on any remittances that originate in the US to any other country. Indians are among the top three immigrant communities in the US with nearly 2.3 million Indians working there under various visa programmes. And these Indians account for one of the largest sources of remittances into India. In 2023 alone, they sent home over $23 billion.But it’s not just H-1B, F-1 visa holders and green card holders who will be affected by the new Bill, if it is passed. For non-resident Indians in the US, the proposed tax will apply to any income they earn in the US from investments or stock options as well.So take for instance a typical Indian family in the U.S. which sends home $1,000 a month. With the 5% tax, they will be able to send 50 dollars less. Inversely, they will have to send back a lot more money to offset the tax and ensure their monthly remittances to their families here don’t dip.The Bill, which has been backed by Republicans, is linked to Trump’s broader economic agenda – and it has sparked off debate in Washington D.C.Detractors, especially back here in India, warn that it could push remittances into informal or unregulated channels and make the U.S. less attractive to skilled workers from abroad. Some also argue that this could put pressure on employers to hike salaries just to offset the tax. There is also an argument that the tax unfairly targets legal immigrants, and could damage U.S. ties with countries like India.“This levy clearly discriminates against non-US citizens who are contributing to the US economy in the same way as US citizens do. It is interesting to note that it is proposed to be levied by the same country that found India’s Equalisation Levy to be discriminatory!\" says Akhilesh Ranjan, former Member CBDT, now with PwC.Similarly, Sandeep Jhunjhunwala, M&A Tax Partner at Nangia Andersen LLP says, “A new remittance tax proposal by the House Republicans could significantly impact NRIs and other foreign nationals living in the United States. This represents a notable shift in US tax policy, particularly for foreign workers. By exempting only US citizens and nationals making remittance through qualified remittance transfer provider, the proposal disproportionately affects millions of lawful immigrants including green card holders, work visa holders, and non-resident aliens, many of whom maintain ongoing financial obligations in their home countries.”“In addition to personal remittances, the provision could also affect compensation practices. Many foreign nationals receive RSUs as part of their pay packages. When these RSUs vest and are sold, the sales proceeds are often transferred overseas to home country, for personal use, family support, or investment. Under the proposed remittance tax, such transfers even of post-tax proceeds could attract the 5% excise levy, adding a layer of cost to already-taxed income,\" Jhunjhunwala added.Ajay Rotti, founder of Tax Compass, a tax consultancy firm too believes that the tax has much larger implications. “A new legislative proposal in the United States, officially titled \"The One Big Beautiful Bill,\" seeks to impose a 5% excise tax on all international remittances sent by non-citizens. This includes individuals on non-immigrant visas such as H-1B and those holding green cards.\"\"The bill aims to generate revenue from outbound remittances by non-citizens and levies a 5% remittance tax on outward remittance from US. The proposed 5% excise tax on international remittances by non-U.S. citizens is detailed in Section 112105 of the proposed Bill. This section outlines the specifics of the tax, including its applicability to non-citizens sending money abroad. The provision requires that the tax be collected by the remittance transfer providers and the remittance transfer providers are responsible for remitting such tax quarterly to the Secretary of the Treasury,” Rotti added.Amarpal Chadha, Tax Partner and Mobility Leader, EY India, says, “The newly introduced U.S. bill proposes a 5% tax on remittances outside US and is currently at an early stage of consideration. The measure—if enacted—could place added financial pressure on Indian nationals working in the United States. Many may be forced to re-evaluate their remittance patterns, including the amount and frequency of remittances for the purpose of maintenance of family or investment in India.”A senior Indian government official who did not wish to be named said, \"if this law is enacted it would amount to tax treaty override. We know that US constitution allows treaty override,  unlike India where more favourable law prevails, but this would be a very unwelcome treaty override from various countries point of views.\"For now, this tax is just a proposal—but it’s already set alarm bells ringing across quite a few immigrant communities.","news_type":1,"symbols_score_info":{".SPX":1.1,".DJI":1.1,"TQQQ":1.1,".IXIC":1.1,"QQQ":1.1,"SQQQ":1.1,"SPY":1.1}},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":1598,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":398196983173248,"gmtCreate":1738241168857,"gmtModify":1738241172112,"author":{"id":"3582712972054494","authorId":"3582712972054494","name":"Tonykhoo","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":11,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"authorIdStr":"3582712972054494","idStr":"3582712972054494"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"RIP. You will lose a lot of money.&nbsp;","listText":"RIP. You will lose a lot of money.&nbsp;","text":"RIP. You will lose a lot of money.","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":4,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/398196983173248","repostId":"1105965404","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"1105965404","kind":"news","pubTimestamp":1738239194,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/1105965404?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2025-01-30 20:13","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Palantir: 3 Reasons To Short The Stock","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1105965404","media":"Seeking Alpha","summary":"SummaryPalantir's stock is detached from reality as it trades at an irrationally exuberant price.The rise of macroeconomic risks makes it possible for the company to lose its growth momentum and for t","content":"<html><head></head><body><h2 id=\"id_3752926401\">Summary</h2><ul style=\"\"><li><p>Palantir&#39;s stock is detached from reality as it trades at an irrationally exuberant price.</p></li><li><p>The rise of macroeconomic risks makes it possible for the company to lose its growth momentum and for the stock to decrease in value.</p></li><li><p>We have recently opened a short position in PLTR.</p></li></ul><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/554bfffe59edb9acf6bf12d15a231da8\" alt=\"Palantir Technologies\" title=\"Palantir Technologies\" tg-width=\"750\" tg-height=\"500\"/><span>Palantir Technologies</span></p><p>We recently opened a short position in Palantir as we believe that the downside for its stock is significant. Last year we closed our previous short position at a loss and said in our latest article that while Palantir is greatly overvalued, we would wait for the right time to reopen the position. It was the right call to make, since Palantir&#39;s stock is currently up over 15% after our latest article was published.</p><p>However, we also believe that the time to act again has come. In this article, we will present three major reasons why we&#39;re shorting Palantir, the risks to our short position, and our action plan under different scenarios.</p><h2 id=\"id_3785883\">Reason To Short Palantir #1: The Stock Price Is Detached From Reality</h2><p>If we look closely at the performance of Palantir&#39;s stock in 2024, we will see that its rise in the second half of the year was fueled by positive Q2 and Q3 earnings reports. First, Palantir increased in the Q2 report its revenue guidance for the fiscal year 2024 to between $2.742 and $2.750 billion in August, which helped its stock rise above $30 per share for the first time since 2021. Then, in the Q3 report, the company once again increased its revenue guidance for the fiscal year 2024 to between $2.805 and $2.809 billion, which translates to a Y/Y growth rate of nearly 26%.</p><p>As the annual revenue outlook has been increased by around $60 million in the Q3 report in comparison to the outlook in the Q2 report, the market has positively reacted to it and helped Palantir to increase its market capitalization by over $50 billion in a few months. Right now, Palantir has a market capitalization of around $180 billion at the time of this writing.</p><p>Although Palantir&#39;s performance has been impressive in the last year, we don&#39;t believe that the performance justifies such an aggressive increase in capitalization. As of now, Palantir has a P/E of over 200x, while the sector has a P/E of only 26x. The current P/E of the S&amp;P 500 Index is only 28x. Those multiples show that Palantir&#39;s stock is detached from reality.</p><p>The combination of all of those factors makes Palantir an extremely overvalued company. In our previous article, we created a valuation model with pretty optimistic assumptions to see how big Palantir&#39;s intrinsic value could be under one of the most bullish scenarios. That model showed that Palantir&#39;s intrinsic value is only $23.27 per share.</p><p>We decided to take a step further and change some of the assumptions in this article to truly figure out Palantir&#39;s full potential to make sure that even under the most extreme assumptions, the upside for its stock at the current market price is not there.</p><p>The assumptions table below underwent several changes in comparison to the previous model. One of the most important things that we did in comparison to the previous model is we changed the tax rate in our model from 21% to 15%. The 21% rate is the current standard corporate rate in the United States. However, the potential tax reform under the Trump administration could decrease the tax rate to only 15%. Since our model includes pretty bullish assumptions, we decided to use the 15% for now.</p><p>We also slightly changed the assumptions in the tables that calculate the discount rate. We updated the risk-free rate in our cost of equity calculation because of the rising treasury yields and changed the market cap, which increased since the release of our latest article.</p><p>The share price in the entry data table has also been updated. Everything else remained the same as in the last article.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/d5f3850d207fc775c3328cd2d1dd4489\" alt=\"Palantir&#39;s valuation model (Bears of Wall Street)\" title=\"Palantir&#39;s valuation model (Bears of Wall Street)\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"182\"/><span>Palantir&#39;s valuation model (Bears of Wall Street)</span></p><p>In the forecast table below, we assume a 30% sales growth rate in FY24. This is the same rate as in the previous model. It is also above the management&#39;s current expectations of ~26%, but there&#39;s a possibility that Palantir will exceed expectations in Q4, which would result in higher sales for the year. For all the other years in the forecast table, we assume a gradual improvement in sales. This is above the overall expectations of a less than 25% growth rate in the following years, but it will help us understand Palantir&#39;s intrinsic value under the most extreme assumptions.</p><p>The EBIT margin remained the same as in the last model, and the tax rate decreased to 15%. The bottom part of the forecast table is mostly unchanged from our recent model.</p><p>Under those assumptions, our model shows that Palantir&#39;s enterprise value is $61.2 billion. At the same time, its equity value is $65.78 billion, which translates to an intrinsic value of $26.74 per share. While our improved assumptions led to the higher intrinsic value, we can still see that Palantir is extremely overvalued, and its current stock price is detached from reality.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/a3188adefb59abbb65b3ad9d7bbf1a5a\" alt=\"Palantir&#39;s valuation model (Bears of Wall Street)\" title=\"Palantir&#39;s valuation model (Bears of Wall Street)\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"228\"/><span>Palantir&#39;s valuation model (Bears of Wall Street)</span></p><h2 id=\"id_3342679600\">Reason To Short Palantir #2: The Macro Risks Are Increasing</h2><p>The potential worsening of the macroeconomic environment is another thing that can push Palantir&#39;s share price lower. In 2022, when inflation was rampant, the stock market was not performing well and Palantir&#39;s shares were traded mostly at single digits. At the beginning of 2023, the disinflationary process began, which helped revive the stock market growth and improve the economic forecasts. While the disinflationary process has been ongoing to this day, there&#39;s a risk that we could experience a return to the inflationary environment. Here&#39;s what the December Fed minutes stated:</p><blockquote><p><em>With regard to the outlook for inflation, participants expected that inflation would continue to move toward 2 percent, although they noted that recent higher-than-expected readings on inflation,</em> <strong><em>and the effects of potential changes in trade and immigration policy, suggested that the process could take longer than previously anticipated.</em></strong></p></blockquote><p>The potential policy changes likely mean the implementation of Trump&#39;s tariffs, which are expected to be imposed on February 1 on goods from various countries that trade with the United States. The tariffs over the long term might lead to the revival of inflation and once again prompt the Federal Reserve to enact a more hawkish policy that would likely diminish the growth outlook. This could negatively affect Palantir&#39;s outlook and lead to the depreciation of its stock.</p><h2 id=\"id_318610859\">Reason To Short Palantir #3: The Stock Is Losing Its Momentum</h2><p>Relying solely on fundamentals is not the way to go in the current market environment. In our latest article on Palantir, we said that the company is already extremely overvalued, but decided not to open a short position at that time because the stock has been experiencing an upward trend.</p><p>However, recently, Palantir&#39;s stock began to lose its momentum, which was a signal for us to act. Right now, the stock is range-bound between $60 and $85 per share. It failed to break the resistance level around $85 per share and reach new highs a couple of times already, as the selling of shares has been intense around that level.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/aff7c2b152314d29b766791eac7a2755\" alt=\"Palantir&#39;s stock price (Seeking Alpha)\" title=\"Palantir&#39;s stock price (Seeking Alpha)\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"324\"/><span>Palantir&#39;s stock price (Seeking Alpha)</span></p><p>If Palantir&#39;s stock once again fails to break the current resistance level in the foreseeable future, then we could expect a depreciation to its support level at around $60 per share, which already happened a couple of weeks ago. If the support level at around $60 per share is broken, then there&#39;s a possibility of a selloff to the next support level at around $40 per share. If that happens, we will be covering our position during the depreciation to realize a profit.</p><p>If Palantir&#39;s stock manages to overcome the resistance level that&#39;s around $85 per share, then the stock will reach another all-time high and will look for a new resistance level. We committed less than 5% of our portfolio to this short position, so we would have enough room to wait for the stock to find that new resistance level and figure out our next move. Our stop loss is above $100 per share.</p><h2 id=\"id_4151814212\">Risks To Our Bearish Thesis</h2><p>On February 3, Palantir will release its Q4 earnings report. There&#39;s a possibility that the company will exceed its annual outlook that was presented in the Q3 report and will also provide an outlook for 2025 that&#39;s much higher than the current street consensus. If that&#39;s the case, then we might see a further rise in share price, as it happened after the release of Q2 and Q3 reports last year.</p><p>The macro risks might also subside if the global economy manages to overcome the tariffs and trade war risks. The latest report by the OECD forecasts a global GDP growth rate of 3.3% in 2025.</p><p>As such, the potential better outlook along with a possible better macroeconomic environment could once again give a boost to Palantir&#39;s shares and undermine our bearish thesis.</p><h2 id=\"id_3793310222\">Final Thoughts</h2><p>In our opinion, the combination of weak fundamentals, rising macro risks, and a stock losing its momentum create a perfect opportunity to open a short position in Palantir. There&#39;s a risk to our short position if the fundamentals significantly improve or the macro challenges won&#39;t materialize and result in the appreciation of shares.</p><p>However, after weighing all the opportunities and risks, we believe that shorting Palantir makes sense at its current price, especially since the cost of borrowing its shares is less than 1%. The short position also represents less than 5% of our portfolio, which ensures that the risk of losing all of our capital is minimal in the worst-case scenario.</p></body></html>","source":"lsy1728464409321","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Palantir: 3 Reasons To Short The Stock</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nPalantir: 3 Reasons To Short The Stock\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2025-01-30 20:13 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://seekingalpha.com/article/4753204-palantir-3-reasons-to-short-the-pltr-stock><strong>Seeking Alpha</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>SummaryPalantir's stock is detached from reality as it trades at an irrationally exuberant price.The rise of macroeconomic risks makes it possible for the company to lose its growth momentum and for ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4753204-palantir-3-reasons-to-short-the-pltr-stock\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"PLTR":"Palantir Technologies Inc."},"source_url":"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4753204-palantir-3-reasons-to-short-the-pltr-stock","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1105965404","content_text":"SummaryPalantir's stock is detached from reality as it trades at an irrationally exuberant price.The rise of macroeconomic risks makes it possible for the company to lose its growth momentum and for the stock to decrease in value.We have recently opened a short position in PLTR.Palantir TechnologiesWe recently opened a short position in Palantir as we believe that the downside for its stock is significant. Last year we closed our previous short position at a loss and said in our latest article that while Palantir is greatly overvalued, we would wait for the right time to reopen the position. It was the right call to make, since Palantir's stock is currently up over 15% after our latest article was published.However, we also believe that the time to act again has come. In this article, we will present three major reasons why we're shorting Palantir, the risks to our short position, and our action plan under different scenarios.Reason To Short Palantir #1: The Stock Price Is Detached From RealityIf we look closely at the performance of Palantir's stock in 2024, we will see that its rise in the second half of the year was fueled by positive Q2 and Q3 earnings reports. First, Palantir increased in the Q2 report its revenue guidance for the fiscal year 2024 to between $2.742 and $2.750 billion in August, which helped its stock rise above $30 per share for the first time since 2021. Then, in the Q3 report, the company once again increased its revenue guidance for the fiscal year 2024 to between $2.805 and $2.809 billion, which translates to a Y/Y growth rate of nearly 26%.As the annual revenue outlook has been increased by around $60 million in the Q3 report in comparison to the outlook in the Q2 report, the market has positively reacted to it and helped Palantir to increase its market capitalization by over $50 billion in a few months. Right now, Palantir has a market capitalization of around $180 billion at the time of this writing.Although Palantir's performance has been impressive in the last year, we don't believe that the performance justifies such an aggressive increase in capitalization. As of now, Palantir has a P/E of over 200x, while the sector has a P/E of only 26x. The current P/E of the S&P 500 Index is only 28x. Those multiples show that Palantir's stock is detached from reality.The combination of all of those factors makes Palantir an extremely overvalued company. In our previous article, we created a valuation model with pretty optimistic assumptions to see how big Palantir's intrinsic value could be under one of the most bullish scenarios. That model showed that Palantir's intrinsic value is only $23.27 per share.We decided to take a step further and change some of the assumptions in this article to truly figure out Palantir's full potential to make sure that even under the most extreme assumptions, the upside for its stock at the current market price is not there.The assumptions table below underwent several changes in comparison to the previous model. One of the most important things that we did in comparison to the previous model is we changed the tax rate in our model from 21% to 15%. The 21% rate is the current standard corporate rate in the United States. However, the potential tax reform under the Trump administration could decrease the tax rate to only 15%. Since our model includes pretty bullish assumptions, we decided to use the 15% for now.We also slightly changed the assumptions in the tables that calculate the discount rate. We updated the risk-free rate in our cost of equity calculation because of the rising treasury yields and changed the market cap, which increased since the release of our latest article.The share price in the entry data table has also been updated. Everything else remained the same as in the last article.Palantir's valuation model (Bears of Wall Street)In the forecast table below, we assume a 30% sales growth rate in FY24. This is the same rate as in the previous model. It is also above the management's current expectations of ~26%, but there's a possibility that Palantir will exceed expectations in Q4, which would result in higher sales for the year. For all the other years in the forecast table, we assume a gradual improvement in sales. This is above the overall expectations of a less than 25% growth rate in the following years, but it will help us understand Palantir's intrinsic value under the most extreme assumptions.The EBIT margin remained the same as in the last model, and the tax rate decreased to 15%. The bottom part of the forecast table is mostly unchanged from our recent model.Under those assumptions, our model shows that Palantir's enterprise value is $61.2 billion. At the same time, its equity value is $65.78 billion, which translates to an intrinsic value of $26.74 per share. While our improved assumptions led to the higher intrinsic value, we can still see that Palantir is extremely overvalued, and its current stock price is detached from reality.Palantir's valuation model (Bears of Wall Street)Reason To Short Palantir #2: The Macro Risks Are IncreasingThe potential worsening of the macroeconomic environment is another thing that can push Palantir's share price lower. In 2022, when inflation was rampant, the stock market was not performing well and Palantir's shares were traded mostly at single digits. At the beginning of 2023, the disinflationary process began, which helped revive the stock market growth and improve the economic forecasts. While the disinflationary process has been ongoing to this day, there's a risk that we could experience a return to the inflationary environment. Here's what the December Fed minutes stated:With regard to the outlook for inflation, participants expected that inflation would continue to move toward 2 percent, although they noted that recent higher-than-expected readings on inflation, and the effects of potential changes in trade and immigration policy, suggested that the process could take longer than previously anticipated.The potential policy changes likely mean the implementation of Trump's tariffs, which are expected to be imposed on February 1 on goods from various countries that trade with the United States. The tariffs over the long term might lead to the revival of inflation and once again prompt the Federal Reserve to enact a more hawkish policy that would likely diminish the growth outlook. This could negatively affect Palantir's outlook and lead to the depreciation of its stock.Reason To Short Palantir #3: The Stock Is Losing Its MomentumRelying solely on fundamentals is not the way to go in the current market environment. In our latest article on Palantir, we said that the company is already extremely overvalued, but decided not to open a short position at that time because the stock has been experiencing an upward trend.However, recently, Palantir's stock began to lose its momentum, which was a signal for us to act. Right now, the stock is range-bound between $60 and $85 per share. It failed to break the resistance level around $85 per share and reach new highs a couple of times already, as the selling of shares has been intense around that level.Palantir's stock price (Seeking Alpha)If Palantir's stock once again fails to break the current resistance level in the foreseeable future, then we could expect a depreciation to its support level at around $60 per share, which already happened a couple of weeks ago. If the support level at around $60 per share is broken, then there's a possibility of a selloff to the next support level at around $40 per share. If that happens, we will be covering our position during the depreciation to realize a profit.If Palantir's stock manages to overcome the resistance level that's around $85 per share, then the stock will reach another all-time high and will look for a new resistance level. We committed less than 5% of our portfolio to this short position, so we would have enough room to wait for the stock to find that new resistance level and figure out our next move. Our stop loss is above $100 per share.Risks To Our Bearish ThesisOn February 3, Palantir will release its Q4 earnings report. There's a possibility that the company will exceed its annual outlook that was presented in the Q3 report and will also provide an outlook for 2025 that's much higher than the current street consensus. If that's the case, then we might see a further rise in share price, as it happened after the release of Q2 and Q3 reports last year.The macro risks might also subside if the global economy manages to overcome the tariffs and trade war risks. The latest report by the OECD forecasts a global GDP growth rate of 3.3% in 2025.As such, the potential better outlook along with a possible better macroeconomic environment could once again give a boost to Palantir's shares and undermine our bearish thesis.Final ThoughtsIn our opinion, the combination of weak fundamentals, rising macro risks, and a stock losing its momentum create a perfect opportunity to open a short position in Palantir. There's a risk to our short position if the fundamentals significantly improve or the macro challenges won't materialize and result in the appreciation of shares.However, after weighing all the opportunities and risks, we believe that shorting Palantir makes sense at its current price, especially since the cost of borrowing its shares is less than 1%. The short position also represents less than 5% of our portfolio, which ensures that the risk of losing all of our capital is minimal in the worst-case scenario.","news_type":1,"symbols_score_info":{"PLTR":1.1}},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":2047,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":328123225444488,"gmtCreate":1721138184510,"gmtModify":1721138190287,"author":{"id":"3582712972054494","authorId":"3582712972054494","name":"Tonykhoo","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":11,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"authorIdStr":"3582712972054494","idStr":"3582712972054494"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"No brain analyst&nbsp;","listText":"No brain analyst&nbsp;","text":"No brain analyst","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":4,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/328123225444488","repostId":"1162176667","repostType":2,"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":1401,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":372995203739896,"gmtCreate":1732073159693,"gmtModify":1732073162998,"author":{"id":"3582712972054494","authorId":"3582712972054494","name":"Tonykhoo","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":11,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"authorIdStr":"3582712972054494","idStr":"3582712972054494"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"These are the same analyst who said it was too ex when the stock was right below $30. 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While Pro Max and Pro models have seen incremental orders, they don’t fully offset the order cuts on the standard 17, resulting in the ~20% overall revision.  </p><p>3. Competitive pressure from iPhone: A key reason the Xiaomi 17 standard model is underperforming is Apple’s stronger-than-expected iPhone 17 standard model in the Chinese market.  </p><p>4. Two premium-segment competition challenges for 2026 (Chinese market): 1)  Apple’s iPhone appears to have put the worst behind it in China. Xiaomi will need to face competitive pressure from Apple’s new 2026 models (a new iPhone SE in 1H26 and a new high-end iPhone series in 2H26). 2)  Demand for Huawei’s premium models has been softer than expected due to app-compatibility issues under HarmonyOS NEXT; this is expected to improve in 2026, or Huawei may roll out a broader official reflashing program (back to Android-compatible HarmonyOS).  </p><p>5. What to watch next: If sales of the Xiaomi 17 series during China’s National Day Golden Week do not improve further, lowering prices on select models is one lever to boost total shipments of its premium lineup. Looking ahead to 2026, Xiaomi 18 series competitive strategy and on-device (edge) AI roadmap will be key to whether its premium models can return to growth.</p></body></html>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Xiaomi 17 Series Update & Analysis From Analyst Ming-Chi Kuo: Shipment Cut, Challenges, and Paths Back to Growth</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nXiaomi 17 Series Update & Analysis From Analyst Ming-Chi Kuo: Shipment Cut, Challenges, and Paths Back to Growth\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n<a class=\"head\" href=\"https://laohu8.com/wemedia/1079075236\">\n\n\n<div class=\"h-thumb\" style=\"background-image:url(https://static.tigerbbs.com/8274c5b9d4c2852bfb1c4d6ce16c68ba);background-size:cover;\"></div>\n\n<div class=\"h-content\">\n<p class=\"h-name\">Tiger Newspress </p>\n<p class=\"h-time\">2025-09-29 15:02</p>\n</div>\n\n</a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<html><head></head><body><p>On September 29th, Ming-Chi Kuo, an analyst from TF International Securities, released the latest industry report on  <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/01810\">XIAOMI-W</a>.</p><p>Xiaomi shares fell 2% in Hong Kong trading.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/1c5874dbcf36b8d1a7f81de964d0c95a\" tg-width=\"354\" tg-height=\"93\"/></p><p>1. Shipment plan cut: My latest industry surveys point to a significant ~20% cut for the Xiaomi 17 series shipments (from an original target of ~10M units). If there is no further step-up in pricing or marketing going forward, total shipments for the 17 series could fall below the 15 series’ ~8M units.  </p><p>2. Mix shift behind the cut: The cut is mainly due to weaker-than-expected demand for the standard model. It was expected to account for ~50–55% of total 17 series, but after launch it’s tracking at only ~15–20%. While Pro Max and Pro models have seen incremental orders, they don’t fully offset the order cuts on the standard 17, resulting in the ~20% overall revision.  </p><p>3. Competitive pressure from iPhone: A key reason the Xiaomi 17 standard model is underperforming is Apple’s stronger-than-expected iPhone 17 standard model in the Chinese market.  </p><p>4. Two premium-segment competition challenges for 2026 (Chinese market): 1)  Apple’s iPhone appears to have put the worst behind it in China. Xiaomi will need to face competitive pressure from Apple’s new 2026 models (a new iPhone SE in 1H26 and a new high-end iPhone series in 2H26). 2)  Demand for Huawei’s premium models has been softer than expected due to app-compatibility issues under HarmonyOS NEXT; this is expected to improve in 2026, or Huawei may roll out a broader official reflashing program (back to Android-compatible HarmonyOS).  </p><p>5. What to watch next: If sales of the Xiaomi 17 series during China’s National Day Golden Week do not improve further, lowering prices on select models is one lever to boost total shipments of its premium lineup. Looking ahead to 2026, Xiaomi 18 series competitive strategy and on-device (edge) AI roadmap will be key to whether its premium models can return to growth.</p></body></html>\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"01810":"小米集团-W","XIACY":"小米集团ADR"},"source_url":"","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1187669645","content_text":"On September 29th, Ming-Chi Kuo, an analyst from TF International Securities, released the latest industry report on  XIAOMI-W.Xiaomi shares fell 2% in Hong Kong trading.1. Shipment plan cut: My latest industry surveys point to a significant ~20% cut for the Xiaomi 17 series shipments (from an original target of ~10M units). If there is no further step-up in pricing or marketing going forward, total shipments for the 17 series could fall below the 15 series’ ~8M units.  2. Mix shift behind the cut: The cut is mainly due to weaker-than-expected demand for the standard model. It was expected to account for ~50–55% of total 17 series, but after launch it’s tracking at only ~15–20%. While Pro Max and Pro models have seen incremental orders, they don’t fully offset the order cuts on the standard 17, resulting in the ~20% overall revision.  3. Competitive pressure from iPhone: A key reason the Xiaomi 17 standard model is underperforming is Apple’s stronger-than-expected iPhone 17 standard model in the Chinese market.  4. Two premium-segment competition challenges for 2026 (Chinese market): 1)  Apple’s iPhone appears to have put the worst behind it in China. Xiaomi will need to face competitive pressure from Apple’s new 2026 models (a new iPhone SE in 1H26 and a new high-end iPhone series in 2H26). 2)  Demand for Huawei’s premium models has been softer than expected due to app-compatibility issues under HarmonyOS NEXT; this is expected to improve in 2026, or Huawei may roll out a broader official reflashing program (back to Android-compatible HarmonyOS).  5. What to watch next: If sales of the Xiaomi 17 series during China’s National Day Golden Week do not improve further, lowering prices on select models is one lever to boost total shipments of its premium lineup. Looking ahead to 2026, Xiaomi 18 series competitive strategy and on-device (edge) AI roadmap will be key to whether its premium models can return to growth.","news_type":1,"symbols_score_info":{"01810":1.1,"XIACY":1.1}},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":448,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":403558691938776,"gmtCreate":1739549495999,"gmtModify":1739550119134,"author":{"id":"3582712972054494","authorId":"3582712972054494","name":"Tonykhoo","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":11,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"authorIdStr":"3582712972054494","idStr":"3582712972054494"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"Just shut up and take your opinion to your grave .&nbsp;","listText":"Just shut up and take your opinion to your grave .&nbsp;","text":"Just shut up and take your opinion to your grave .","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":2,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/403558691938776","repostId":"1158802712","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"1158802712","kind":"news","pubTimestamp":1739549212,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/1158802712?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2025-02-15 00:06","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Time To Downgrade Palantir Technologies Over This Insanity","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1158802712","media":"Seeking Alpha","summary":"SummaryDespite Palantir's strong financial performance and growth, I believe the stock is absurdly overvalued, prompting a downgrade to a ‘strong sell’.Palantir's revenue surged 36% to $827.5 million,","content":"<html><head></head><body><h2 id=\"id_3571315219\">Summary</h2><ul style=\"\"><li><p>Despite Palantir&#39;s strong financial performance and growth, I believe the stock is absurdly overvalued, prompting a downgrade to a ‘strong sell’.</p></li><li><p>Palantir&#39;s revenue surged 36% to $827.5 million, driven by significant growth in both commercial and government sectors, particularly in the US.</p></li><li><p>The company boasts a robust balance sheet with $5.23 billion in cash and no debt, yet its valuation remains unjustifiable even with aggressive growth assumptions.</p></li><li><p>Even under the most optimistic growth scenarios, Palantir&#39;s future cash flow and EBITDA multiples are excessively high, indicating a significant overvaluation.</p></li><li><p>My name is Dan Jones. I have degrees in accounting and economics, and ran a registered investment advisor for nine years. I lead the investing group Crude Value Insights.</p></li></ul><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/032c80f9e75029379c74205b43ec59e6\" alt=\"Palantir Technologies headquarters campus exterior view in Silicon Valley. - Palo Alto, California, USA - 2019\" title=\"Palantir Technologies headquarters campus exterior view in Silicon Valley. - Palo Alto, California, USA - 2019\" tg-width=\"750\" tg-height=\"500\"/><span>Palantir Technologies headquarters campus exterior view in Silicon Valley. - Palo Alto, California, USA - 2019</span></p><p></p><p>Contrary to what academics have long suggested, the market is not a place of efficiency., it does incorporate new information almost instantly. However, there are many instances where animal spirits prevail and shares of companies become either overvalued or undervalued. A case of overvaluation, in my opinion, involves none other than technology giant <strong>Palantir Technologies Inc.</strong> (NASDAQ:PLTR). Back in November of last year, I downgraded the company from a ‘hold’ to a ‘sell’. From a purely fundamental perspective, the business was doing great. Revenue and cash flows were surging, and the business was continuing to build up a hefty net cash position. At the end of the day, however, I could not get past the valuation of the company. Even assuming rapid growth, the stock did not make sense to me.</p><p>Since that time, the market has continued to push shares irrationally higher. Strong financial performance and expectations of continued growth have caused the share price to climb 66.4%. That&#39;s at a time when the S&amp;P 500 is up only 3.1%. While I do acknowledge that the fundamental condition of the company is certainly better than I expected it to be, and while I expect that trend to continue moving forward, I do think the stock has gotten absurdly expensive. In fact, as a result of this, I am left with no choice but to downgrade the company to a ‘strong sell’.</p><h2 id=\"id_3119742418\">Be worried</h2><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/5a0272fb69e0f934440f8166cef74b54\" alt=\"Financials\" title=\"Financials\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"241\"/><span>Financials</span></p><p></p><p>On February 3rd, the management team at Palantir Technologies reported financial results for the third quarter of the company&#39;s 2024 fiscal year. In almost every respect, the company did quite well. As an example, revenue for the firm came in at $827.5 million. That&#39;s an increase of 36% compared to the $608.4 million the company reported one year earlier. A lot of this growth came from the commercial side of the business. Commercial growth for the company skyrocketed 31% from $284 million to $372 million. It&#39;s driven by a rise in the number of commercial customers that the company has to 571. That compares to the 498 reported just one quarter earlier, and it&#39;s up about 52% compared to the 375 the business had at the end of the final quarter of 2023.</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/3840708de2da4c690187620982fd6e26\" alt=\"Presentation\" title=\"Presentation\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"616\"/><span>Presentation</span></p><p style=\"text-align: left;\"></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/41a4208f348399df45d94a636efe1591\" alt=\"Presentation\" title=\"Presentation\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"330\"/><span>Presentation</span></p><p></p><p>When it comes to the US side of things, the commercial customer account for the company jumped 73% year over year from 221 to 382. This resulted in US commercial revenue skyrocketing 64% from $131 million to $214 million. Early on in its life, Palantir Technologies made a name for itself focusing on government customers. But over the past couple of years now, the company has made a concerted effort to grow into the commercial side of the economy. This has been spurred especially by the rise of AI and the impact that could have on the firms that exist out there today. This strategy has proven to be very effective and was perhaps the best decision management ever made.</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/ea5f7c4b1312da08a43673305e21f026\" alt=\"Presentation\" title=\"Presentation\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"602\"/><span>Presentation</span></p><p style=\"text-align: left;\"></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/0d688514c5148128e8682532c88caaac\" alt=\"Presentation\" title=\"Presentation\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"649\"/><span>Presentation</span></p><p></p><p>This is not to say that the company has not enjoyed continued growth on the government side. Total government revenue jumped year over year by roughly 40% from $324 million to $455 million. This was an even greater growth rate than what the company saw on the commercial side of things. At the end of 2024, the firm had 711 customers. This means that 140 of its customers were on the government side of things. That&#39;s an increase of 15% compared to the 122 customers the business had that were government agencies. Not surprisingly, much of this expansion on the government side of the business was driven by the US. Here at home, government revenue soared 45% from $237 million to $343 million.</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/5dcda12318f0e2ee0d487287a2aa6f05\" alt=\"Presentation\" title=\"Presentation\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"630\"/><span>Presentation</span></p><p></p><p>Moving forward, it is all but certain that continued growth will occur. This is because the company continues to lock down contracts that will create significant value in the long run. During the final quarter of 2024 alone, the firm closed 129 deals that had a value of $1 million each or more. 58 of these are valued at $5 million or more, with 32 of them being worth $10 million or more. Before I get into what this might mean for 2025 and beyond, I do think I should touch on the bottom line and discuss, in more detail, what 2024 as a whole looked like.</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/5bd5149d0cb7a4cdb286616687b9f657\" alt=\"Presentation\" title=\"Presentation\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"686\"/><span>Presentation</span></p><p></p><p>On the bottom line, the firm did generate a net profit of only $79 million. That was down from the $93.4 million reported the previous year. However, during this time, the business did see a negative impact associated with stock appreciation rights. Without this, profitability would have been higher as the image above illustrates. We can actually see the bottom line improvement for the business when looking at adjusted profits and cash flows. Year-over-year, the adjusted net income for the business expanded from $189.6 million to $341.9 million. Operating cash flow jumped from $301.2 million to $460.3 million. If we adjust for changes in working capital, we get an increase from $218.6 million to $356.2 million. And finally, EBITDA for the firm expanded from $217.3 million to $379.5 million.</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/7c018cc9a80d1b1d741d80c68f802a9f\" alt=\"Financials\" title=\"Financials\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"237\"/><span>Financials</span></p><p style=\"text-align: left;\"><strong>Author - SEC EDGAR Data</strong></p><p></p><p>In the chart above, we can also see financial results for 2024 as a whole relative to 2023. Revenue, profits, and cash flows, all grew on a year-over-year basis. The exciting thing is that management also expects continued growth this year. They anticipate revenue, if it hits the midpoint of guidance, of $3.749 billion. That would represent an increase of 30.8% compared to the $2.866 billion reported for 2024. In terms of profitability, management said that the midpoint of guidance for adjusted operating income would be $1.559 billion. Seeing as how this is heavily correlated with cash flows, it would likely translate to an adjusted operating cash flow of $1.692 billion and EBITDA of $1.603 billion.</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/78e88efa825454cc665cb497ae5b87cb\" alt=\"Presentation\" title=\"Presentation\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"633\"/><span>Presentation</span></p><p></p><p>This is exciting. However, even this rapid growth is unlikely to justify the picture for the business in the long run. But before I get into my projections for the future, I do think a couple of other things are noteworthy. The first thing that I would like to point out is that the company&#39;s balance sheet continues to show improvements. During the quarter, the company had $5.23 billion in cash and cash equivalents on its books. This is up nicely from the $4.56 billion reported in the third quarter, and it compares favorably to the $3.67 billion the company ended 2023 with. Seeing as how the firm has no debt, this means that these cash figures are extra capital the firm can use without having to rely on paying back debt. Firms of this nature do deserve to trade at some sort of premium compared to those that are indebted. But even with this, I think the price is impossible to justify.</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/51cfdcb52a754ca83979bb2e2c31bde1\" alt=\"Financials\" title=\"Financials\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"293\"/><span>Financials</span></p><p></p><p>Now, when it comes to my model, I would like to make a very clear other point. And this is the fact that I am using some very aggressive assumptions regarding what the future might look like. Keep in mind that revenue growth this year is projected to be 30.8% year over year. For the future, I decided to assume that there would be three different scenarios. The first is a slowdown scenario where revenue would climb at 20% per annum after this year. The second assumes that revenue will continue growing at 30% per annum. And then, there is the aggressive scenario where I assume revenue will climb to 40% per annum for 2026 and 2027.</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/5dec167b1b767e38bca18789e136019c\" alt=\"Financials\" title=\"Financials\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"298\"/><span>Financials</span></p><p></p><p>Another thing to take into consideration is margin improvement. In the chart above, you can see what the adjusted operating cash flow margin and the EBITDA margin for the company have been for 2023 and 2024, as well as what has been estimated for 2025. The chart also shows what these margins look like using the most recent quarter, which would be the final quarter of 2024, and with that looks like compared to the final quarter of 2023. Historically speaking, we have seen margin improvement as the company scales. So for the purpose of my model, I have assumed further expansion. For 2026, I assumed that adjusted operating cash flow would come in at 50% of revenue. And for 2027, I increased that to 55%. When looking at the full fiscal years, we can see that the EBITDA margin for the company has generally fallen short of the adjusted operating cash flow margin. So I have assumed a 300 basis point reduction for it compared to the adjusted operating cash flow margin.</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/384688f91d62dd98720ecab399a92577\" alt=\"Estimates\" title=\"Estimates\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"167\"/><span>Estimates</span></p><p></p><p>Taking all of this into consideration, we can see the slowdown scenario with 20% annual growth in the table above. In this case, by 2027, the company would be generating about $5.40 billion in revenue. Adjusted operating cash flow would be $2.97 billion, while EBITDA would come in at $2.27 billion. While this is an impressive amount of growth compared to what the company generated last year, if the stock price doesn&#39;t change from where it is today, we would be looking at a price-to-adjusted operating cash flow multiple of 82.7 and an EV-to-EBITDA multiple of 106.1.</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/1264f613a4c478828ae9a33370504f6e\" alt=\"Estimates\" title=\"Estimates\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"169\"/><span>Estimates</span></p><p></p><p>In the next table above, you can see the 30% annual growth scenario. And in the table below, you can see what happens if revenue grows at 40% per annum. Even in this most aggressive case that I considered to be possible, the firm is still trading at 60.8 times future operating cash flow and at 63 times EBITDA. Depending on how much cash is ultimately retained from operations, the EV-to-EBITDA multiple might decline to some extent. But we are still looking at multiples that are in the stratosphere.</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/03c62ffa4cf7e8ec61ee6cf8d159783b\" alt=\"Estimates\" title=\"Estimates\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"168\"/><span>Estimates</span></p><p></p><h2 id=\"id_1123066975\">Takeaway</h2><p>To be honest with you, the valuation at which Palantir Technologies is trading seems to me to be the very definition of insanity. This doesn&#39;t mean that I am bearish about the company from an operational standpoint. I do think that, as AI continues to dominate the economic landscape, the firm will do quite well. But there is a big difference between doing well and making sense from an investment standpoint. Even incredibly aggressive growth assumptions make the stock look horrifyingly overpriced. In the short term, I would not be surprised to see the stock continue climbing. But at some point, I believe that the chickens will come home to roost. Because of how overvalued shares appear, I have no choice but to downgrade the company to a ‘strong sell’.</p></body></html>","source":"lsy1728464409321","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Time To Downgrade Palantir Technologies Over This Insanity</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nTime To Downgrade Palantir Technologies Over This Insanity\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2025-02-15 00:06 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://seekingalpha.com/article/4757116-time-to-downgrade-palantir-technologies-over-this-insanity><strong>Seeking Alpha</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>SummaryDespite Palantir's strong financial performance and growth, I believe the stock is absurdly overvalued, prompting a downgrade to a ‘strong sell’.Palantir's revenue surged 36% to $827.5 million,...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4757116-time-to-downgrade-palantir-technologies-over-this-insanity\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"PLTR":"Palantir Technologies Inc."},"source_url":"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4757116-time-to-downgrade-palantir-technologies-over-this-insanity","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1158802712","content_text":"SummaryDespite Palantir's strong financial performance and growth, I believe the stock is absurdly overvalued, prompting a downgrade to a ‘strong sell’.Palantir's revenue surged 36% to $827.5 million, driven by significant growth in both commercial and government sectors, particularly in the US.The company boasts a robust balance sheet with $5.23 billion in cash and no debt, yet its valuation remains unjustifiable even with aggressive growth assumptions.Even under the most optimistic growth scenarios, Palantir's future cash flow and EBITDA multiples are excessively high, indicating a significant overvaluation.My name is Dan Jones. I have degrees in accounting and economics, and ran a registered investment advisor for nine years. I lead the investing group Crude Value Insights.Palantir Technologies headquarters campus exterior view in Silicon Valley. - Palo Alto, California, USA - 2019Contrary to what academics have long suggested, the market is not a place of efficiency., it does incorporate new information almost instantly. However, there are many instances where animal spirits prevail and shares of companies become either overvalued or undervalued. A case of overvaluation, in my opinion, involves none other than technology giant Palantir Technologies Inc. (NASDAQ:PLTR). Back in November of last year, I downgraded the company from a ‘hold’ to a ‘sell’. From a purely fundamental perspective, the business was doing great. Revenue and cash flows were surging, and the business was continuing to build up a hefty net cash position. At the end of the day, however, I could not get past the valuation of the company. Even assuming rapid growth, the stock did not make sense to me.Since that time, the market has continued to push shares irrationally higher. Strong financial performance and expectations of continued growth have caused the share price to climb 66.4%. That's at a time when the S&P 500 is up only 3.1%. While I do acknowledge that the fundamental condition of the company is certainly better than I expected it to be, and while I expect that trend to continue moving forward, I do think the stock has gotten absurdly expensive. In fact, as a result of this, I am left with no choice but to downgrade the company to a ‘strong sell’.Be worriedFinancialsOn February 3rd, the management team at Palantir Technologies reported financial results for the third quarter of the company's 2024 fiscal year. In almost every respect, the company did quite well. As an example, revenue for the firm came in at $827.5 million. That's an increase of 36% compared to the $608.4 million the company reported one year earlier. A lot of this growth came from the commercial side of the business. Commercial growth for the company skyrocketed 31% from $284 million to $372 million. It's driven by a rise in the number of commercial customers that the company has to 571. That compares to the 498 reported just one quarter earlier, and it's up about 52% compared to the 375 the business had at the end of the final quarter of 2023.PresentationPresentationWhen it comes to the US side of things, the commercial customer account for the company jumped 73% year over year from 221 to 382. This resulted in US commercial revenue skyrocketing 64% from $131 million to $214 million. Early on in its life, Palantir Technologies made a name for itself focusing on government customers. But over the past couple of years now, the company has made a concerted effort to grow into the commercial side of the economy. This has been spurred especially by the rise of AI and the impact that could have on the firms that exist out there today. This strategy has proven to be very effective and was perhaps the best decision management ever made.PresentationPresentationThis is not to say that the company has not enjoyed continued growth on the government side. Total government revenue jumped year over year by roughly 40% from $324 million to $455 million. This was an even greater growth rate than what the company saw on the commercial side of things. At the end of 2024, the firm had 711 customers. This means that 140 of its customers were on the government side of things. That's an increase of 15% compared to the 122 customers the business had that were government agencies. Not surprisingly, much of this expansion on the government side of the business was driven by the US. Here at home, government revenue soared 45% from $237 million to $343 million.PresentationMoving forward, it is all but certain that continued growth will occur. This is because the company continues to lock down contracts that will create significant value in the long run. During the final quarter of 2024 alone, the firm closed 129 deals that had a value of $1 million each or more. 58 of these are valued at $5 million or more, with 32 of them being worth $10 million or more. Before I get into what this might mean for 2025 and beyond, I do think I should touch on the bottom line and discuss, in more detail, what 2024 as a whole looked like.PresentationOn the bottom line, the firm did generate a net profit of only $79 million. That was down from the $93.4 million reported the previous year. However, during this time, the business did see a negative impact associated with stock appreciation rights. Without this, profitability would have been higher as the image above illustrates. We can actually see the bottom line improvement for the business when looking at adjusted profits and cash flows. Year-over-year, the adjusted net income for the business expanded from $189.6 million to $341.9 million. Operating cash flow jumped from $301.2 million to $460.3 million. If we adjust for changes in working capital, we get an increase from $218.6 million to $356.2 million. And finally, EBITDA for the firm expanded from $217.3 million to $379.5 million.FinancialsAuthor - SEC EDGAR DataIn the chart above, we can also see financial results for 2024 as a whole relative to 2023. Revenue, profits, and cash flows, all grew on a year-over-year basis. The exciting thing is that management also expects continued growth this year. They anticipate revenue, if it hits the midpoint of guidance, of $3.749 billion. That would represent an increase of 30.8% compared to the $2.866 billion reported for 2024. In terms of profitability, management said that the midpoint of guidance for adjusted operating income would be $1.559 billion. Seeing as how this is heavily correlated with cash flows, it would likely translate to an adjusted operating cash flow of $1.692 billion and EBITDA of $1.603 billion.PresentationThis is exciting. However, even this rapid growth is unlikely to justify the picture for the business in the long run. But before I get into my projections for the future, I do think a couple of other things are noteworthy. The first thing that I would like to point out is that the company's balance sheet continues to show improvements. During the quarter, the company had $5.23 billion in cash and cash equivalents on its books. This is up nicely from the $4.56 billion reported in the third quarter, and it compares favorably to the $3.67 billion the company ended 2023 with. Seeing as how the firm has no debt, this means that these cash figures are extra capital the firm can use without having to rely on paying back debt. Firms of this nature do deserve to trade at some sort of premium compared to those that are indebted. But even with this, I think the price is impossible to justify.FinancialsNow, when it comes to my model, I would like to make a very clear other point. And this is the fact that I am using some very aggressive assumptions regarding what the future might look like. Keep in mind that revenue growth this year is projected to be 30.8% year over year. For the future, I decided to assume that there would be three different scenarios. The first is a slowdown scenario where revenue would climb at 20% per annum after this year. The second assumes that revenue will continue growing at 30% per annum. And then, there is the aggressive scenario where I assume revenue will climb to 40% per annum for 2026 and 2027.FinancialsAnother thing to take into consideration is margin improvement. In the chart above, you can see what the adjusted operating cash flow margin and the EBITDA margin for the company have been for 2023 and 2024, as well as what has been estimated for 2025. The chart also shows what these margins look like using the most recent quarter, which would be the final quarter of 2024, and with that looks like compared to the final quarter of 2023. Historically speaking, we have seen margin improvement as the company scales. So for the purpose of my model, I have assumed further expansion. For 2026, I assumed that adjusted operating cash flow would come in at 50% of revenue. And for 2027, I increased that to 55%. When looking at the full fiscal years, we can see that the EBITDA margin for the company has generally fallen short of the adjusted operating cash flow margin. So I have assumed a 300 basis point reduction for it compared to the adjusted operating cash flow margin.EstimatesTaking all of this into consideration, we can see the slowdown scenario with 20% annual growth in the table above. In this case, by 2027, the company would be generating about $5.40 billion in revenue. Adjusted operating cash flow would be $2.97 billion, while EBITDA would come in at $2.27 billion. While this is an impressive amount of growth compared to what the company generated last year, if the stock price doesn't change from where it is today, we would be looking at a price-to-adjusted operating cash flow multiple of 82.7 and an EV-to-EBITDA multiple of 106.1.EstimatesIn the next table above, you can see the 30% annual growth scenario. And in the table below, you can see what happens if revenue grows at 40% per annum. Even in this most aggressive case that I considered to be possible, the firm is still trading at 60.8 times future operating cash flow and at 63 times EBITDA. Depending on how much cash is ultimately retained from operations, the EV-to-EBITDA multiple might decline to some extent. But we are still looking at multiples that are in the stratosphere.EstimatesTakeawayTo be honest with you, the valuation at which Palantir Technologies is trading seems to me to be the very definition of insanity. This doesn't mean that I am bearish about the company from an operational standpoint. I do think that, as AI continues to dominate the economic landscape, the firm will do quite well. But there is a big difference between doing well and making sense from an investment standpoint. Even incredibly aggressive growth assumptions make the stock look horrifyingly overpriced. In the short term, I would not be surprised to see the stock continue climbing. But at some point, I believe that the chickens will come home to roost. Because of how overvalued shares appear, I have no choice but to downgrade the company to a ‘strong sell’.","news_type":1,"symbols_score_info":{"PLTR":1.1}},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":1483,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":340435706003608,"gmtCreate":1724145216299,"gmtModify":1724147372940,"author":{"id":"3582712972054494","authorId":"3582712972054494","name":"Tonykhoo","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":11,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"authorIdStr":"3582712972054494","idStr":"3582712972054494"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"This guy talk nonsense. Sore loser&nbsp;","listText":"This guy talk nonsense. Sore loser&nbsp;","text":"This guy talk nonsense. Sore loser","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":2,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/340435706003608","repostId":"2460103938","repostType":2,"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":1349,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":199829394473000,"gmtCreate":1689828056518,"gmtModify":1689829620561,"author":{"id":"3582712972054494","authorId":"3582712972054494","name":"Tonykhoo","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":11,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"authorIdStr":"3582712972054494","idStr":"3582712972054494"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"The author does not have any credibility","listText":"The author does not have any credibility","text":"The author does not have any credibility","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":2,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/199829394473000","repostId":"2352050694","repostType":2,"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":1075,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":499708177236256,"gmtCreate":1763024134887,"gmtModify":1763025942242,"author":{"id":"3582712972054494","authorId":"3582712972054494","name":"Tonykhoo","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":11,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"authorIdStr":"3582712972054494","idStr":"3582712972054494"},"themes":[],"title":"","htmlText":"Just shut the f up&nbsp;","listText":"Just shut the f up&nbsp;","text":"Just shut the f up","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":1,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/499708177236256","repostId":"1188410210","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"1188410210","kind":"news","weMediaInfo":{"introduction":"Providing stock market headlines, business news, financials and earnings ","home_visible":1,"media_name":"Tiger Newspress","id":"1079075236","head_image":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/8274c5b9d4c2852bfb1c4d6ce16c68ba"},"pubTimestamp":1763013476,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/1188410210?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2025-11-13 13:57","market":"us","language":"en","title":"\"Big Short\" Michael Burry De-Registers Scion Asset Management","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1188410210","media":"Tiger Newspress","summary":"Investor Michael Burry, famous for calling the 2008 financial crisis, appeared to have de-registered his hedge fund, Scion Asset Management, from the Securities and Exchange Commission this...","content":"<html><head></head><body><p>Investor Michael Burry, famous for calling the 2008 financial crisis, appeared to have de-registered his hedge fund, Scion Asset Management, from the Securities and Exchange Commission this week.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Burry also hinted at a big release on November 25, although it was unclear what he was referring to. </p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Burry posted an image on social media that showed Scion’s SEC registration status had been terminated. </p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">A letter from Burry to Scion’s investors outlining its closure, dated October 27, also appeared to be circulating on social media. </p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Deregistration from the SEC could also indicate that Burry plans to run Scion as a family office, a type of advisory that does not necessitate a SEC registration.  </p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Burry also clarified on his short position against Palantir, stating that he had spent about $9.2 million to buy options on the stock which will expire only in early-2027. </p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">“Each of those doodads let me sell $PLTR at $50 in 2027,” Burry said, referring to the options which will allow him to sell about 5 million shares in Palantir. </p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Earlier reports had focused on the notional value of Burry’s bet against Palantir, which is far greater at $912 million. </p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Burry did not clarify his position against Nvidia. Recent filings from Scion showed he purchased puts for 1 million shares in the artificial intelligence major, at a notional value of $186.6 million. </p><p>Burry, famous for predicting and trading off the 2008 subprime mortgage crisis, had returned to social media in recent weeks with a cryptic warning on a bubble in the market. He had also criticized major tech and cloud companies for allegedly underreporting the amount of depreciation in their computing assets, mainly chips.</p></body></html>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>\"Big Short\" Michael Burry De-Registers Scion Asset Management</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; 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Recent filings from Scion showed he purchased puts for 1 million shares in the artificial intelligence major, at a notional value of $186.6 million. </p><p>Burry, famous for predicting and trading off the 2008 subprime mortgage crisis, had returned to social media in recent weeks with a cryptic warning on a bubble in the market. He had also criticized major tech and cloud companies for allegedly underreporting the amount of depreciation in their computing assets, mainly chips.</p></body></html>\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"PLTR":"Palantir Technologies Inc."},"source_url":"","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1188410210","content_text":"Investor Michael Burry, famous for calling the 2008 financial crisis, appeared to have de-registered his hedge fund, Scion Asset Management, from the Securities and Exchange Commission this week.Burry also hinted at a big release on November 25, although it was unclear what he was referring to. Burry posted an image on social media that showed Scion’s SEC registration status had been terminated. A letter from Burry to Scion’s investors outlining its closure, dated October 27, also appeared to be circulating on social media. Deregistration from the SEC could also indicate that Burry plans to run Scion as a family office, a type of advisory that does not necessitate a SEC registration.  Burry also clarified on his short position against Palantir, stating that he had spent about $9.2 million to buy options on the stock which will expire only in early-2027. “Each of those doodads let me sell $PLTR at $50 in 2027,” Burry said, referring to the options which will allow him to sell about 5 million shares in Palantir. Earlier reports had focused on the notional value of Burry’s bet against Palantir, which is far greater at $912 million. Burry did not clarify his position against Nvidia. Recent filings from Scion showed he purchased puts for 1 million shares in the artificial intelligence major, at a notional value of $186.6 million. Burry, famous for predicting and trading off the 2008 subprime mortgage crisis, had returned to social media in recent weeks with a cryptic warning on a bubble in the market. He had also criticized major tech and cloud companies for allegedly underreporting the amount of depreciation in their computing assets, mainly chips.","news_type":1,"symbols_score_info":{"PLTR":2}},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":310,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":498949808526208,"gmtCreate":1762838997828,"gmtModify":1762840452526,"author":{"id":"3582712972054494","authorId":"3582712972054494","name":"Tonykhoo","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":11,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"authorIdStr":"3582712972054494","idStr":"3582712972054494"},"themes":[],"title":"","htmlText":"He just need to shut up&nbsp;","listText":"He just need to shut up&nbsp;","text":"He just need to shut up","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":1,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/498949808526208","repostId":"1171986730","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"1171986730","kind":"news","weMediaInfo":{"introduction":"Providing stock market headlines, business news, financials and earnings ","home_visible":1,"media_name":"Tiger Newspress","id":"1079075236","head_image":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/8274c5b9d4c2852bfb1c4d6ce16c68ba"},"pubTimestamp":1762831311,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/1171986730?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2025-11-11 11:21","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Michael Burry Warns of $176 Billion Depreciation Understatement by Tech Giants","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1171986730","media":"Tiger Newspress","summary":"Michael Burry, the investor known for predicting the 2008 housing crisis, has raised concerns about major tech companies potentially understating depreciation by extending the useful life of...","content":"<html><head></head><body><p>Michael Burry, the investor known for predicting the 2008 housing crisis, has raised concerns about major tech companies potentially understating depreciation by extending the useful life of computing assets.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">In a recent social media post, Burry claimed that &#34;understating depreciation by extending useful life of assets artificially boosts earnings,&#34; calling it &#34;one of the more common frauds of the modern era.&#34;</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">The investor specifically targeted tech companies purchasing  <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/NVDA\">NVIDIA</a>  chips and servers, arguing they should not be extending the useful lives of computing equipment that typically has a 2-3 year product cycle. According to Burry, &#34;hyperscalers&#34; are doing exactly this.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Burry estimates these companies will understate depreciation by $176 billion between 2026-2028. By 2028, he projects  <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/ORCL\">Oracle</a>  will overstate earnings by 26.9% and  <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/META\">Meta Platforms, Inc.</a> by 20.8%. He promised more details would be coming on November 25.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">The &#34;Big Short&#34; investor has been increasingly vocal on social media platform X since October 30, when he posted a cryptic message about bubbles and market participation. That post came just days before he disclosed owning put options on Palantir and NVIDIA.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Burry is not alone in raising these concerns. 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It expects the same pace of increase in half that period as well-heeled people and family offices from various parts of the world head to Asia to park their money, said Shee Tse Koon, head of consumer and wealth banking at DBS.“Given the trajectory and traction we have had over the past years, our aim going forward is that by 2027 we want to double our wealth fees,” Shee said in an interview with Bloomberg News this week. Wealthy clients of Southeast Asia’s largest bank usually invest their cash to improve returns and many have also tapped DBS for their trust and legacy planning needs, he said.Shee’s optimism underscores the significance of rising wealth fees that boosted DBS’s income in recent years and will likely cushion its earnings with global interest rates set to decline. DBS is now the third-largest private bank in Asia, excluding China, only behind UBS Group AG and HSBC Holdings Plc, according to rankings by Asian Private Banker. The assets of DBS clients, including those at the private bank and lower-rung tiers, reached S$396 billion as of June. That is set to exceed S$500 billion by 2027 with the number of clients investing and buying insurance products expected to quadruple, Shee said without specifying the numbers. The bank also handles a third of Singapore’s 1,650 single family offices, he said.Singapore saw a $120 billion surge in financial assets booked from overseas last year, with China being the top source of new wealth in absolute terms, according to a Boston Consulting Group report published in July. Shee said there’s been “a good mix” of assets from North and South Asia, the Middle East and Europe with no particularly dominant region. The bank has grown its relationship manager headcount by around 20% since the middle of 2023, Shee said, adding that hiring continues and that they’re still working out future headcount. DBS had 730 relationship managers as of 2023, up 12% from a year ago and the second highest in Asia, excluding China, according to Asian Private Banker.DBS has two booking centers — Singapore and Hong Kong — for its wealthy clients across the regions. While the bank is seeing more traction from clients in Dubai, India and London, Shee said there is “no compelling reason” for now to consider the United Arab Emirates city as its third booking hub.DBS, like other banks, has grappled with ensuring that assets of its clients are clean. In July, the bank was fined HKD10 million ($1.3 million) by the Hong Kong Monetary Authority for lapses including failure to continuously monitor business relationships and to establish the source of wealth of high-risk customers between 2012 and 2019. In Singapore, DBS had some S$100 million exposure to clients who were convicted this year in the city-state’s largest money-laundering case where more than S$3 billion of assets were seized.DBS is constantly investing in both technology and people to detect misconduct and illicit flows, Shee said. It’s also boosting its surveillance and monitoring systems to keep pace with emerging criminal trends, he added. “The whole point is how you balance between being effective in anti-money laundering and risk management and yet remain efficient and open for business,” he said.Other highlights from the interview:DBS is open to additional partnerships in India where it has more than 500 branches. 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While Nvidia delivered an earnings beat, with Data Center revenue up 112% YoY to $30.8 billion driven by Hopper H200 GPUs and rising AI workloads, the stock has pulled back due to several factors.</p><p>Near-term gross margin compression from the Blackwell ramp, geopolitical risks from U.S.-China tensions, and market skepticism over AI growth sustainability have weighed on sentiment. Concerns over enterprise digestion phases for AI investments and reliance on China despite regional diversification also contributed. While Nvidia’s long-term outlook remains robust, these headwinds have tempered investor optimism, driving the stock’s decline.</p><p>However, we believe this pullback is a healthy consolidation phase, providing the stock with a necessary pause to absorb its recent gains and establish a stronger support base. This period of stabilization is crucial before Nvidia can build momentum for another bullish breakout toward our $204 technical price target, driven by the sustained demand for AI infrastructure and its robust market leadership.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/c66ab1443d3f34ac4303614fa250b332\" alt=\"Yiazou (trendspider.com)\" title=\"Yiazou (trendspider.com)\" tg-width=\"1200\" tg-height=\"700\"/><span>Yiazou (trendspider.com)</span></p><h2 id=\"id_1185090237\">High Demand for AI and Accelerated Computing</h2><p>Nvidia’s Data Center segment had a sequential rise of 17% and an impressive YoY increase of 112% in revenue for Q3 FY2025. From $3.8 billion in Q3 fiscal 2023 to $30.8 billion in Q3 fiscal 2025 (in just 2 years) points to an 8X boom in the segment performance. These revenue numbers are the primary driver of the company’s consolidated revenue. 65% of Nvidia’s revenue was derived from the data center segment in Q3 fiscal 2023, but now the segment contribution has hit 88%. The Hopper architecture (mostly the H200 GPU) holds for much of this growth.</p><p>Sequentially, H200 sales scaled to double-digit billions and marked the fastest ramp ever for Nvidia. Now, Cloud Service Providers (CSPs) contributed ~50% of the Data Center segment’s revenue, which is &gt;2X YoY and points to the scale of AI workloads demanded by cloud environments. Regionally, Nvidia saw a 2x YoY increase in its regional cloud revenue across North America, EMEA, and Asia-Pacific, reflecting its broad penetration that aligns with CSPs ramping their Nvidia GPU-backed cloud instances.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/b23f1065599e5d892cf075ce3c0efb94\" alt=\"Q3 Presentation\" title=\"Q3 Presentation\" tg-width=\"623\" tg-height=\"491\"/><span>Q3 Presentation</span></p><p>Moreover, enterprise AI demand led to growth in specific areas (like multimodal and generative AI applications) extending Nvidia’s Data Center products. Blackwell’s launch may extend these trends in the upcoming quarters. Why? The initial performance of Blackwells attained a 2.2x leap against Hoppers and cost metrics points that GPT-3 benchmarks run on only ~64 Blackwell GPUs against ~256 H100s that reduce compute costs by 4x. As adoption scales, this cost-efficiency ratio solidifies Nvidia’s business edge in compute markets. Looking forward, $37.5 billion (~70% YoY) in Q4 revenue is based on continued demand for Hopper architecture and the initial ramping of Blackwell.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/f9332a08bc6266bcdf093f4bc1f369b9\" alt=\"Q3 Presentation\" title=\"Q3 Presentation\" tg-width=\"820\" tg-height=\"632\"/><span>Q3 Presentation</span></p><p>Regarding the concerns on China-specific Data Center revenue, it grew sequentially in Q3 but remained capped due to export controls.</p><blockquote><p>From a geographic perspective, our Data Center revenue in China grew sequentially due to shipments of export-compliant copper products to industries. As a percentage of total Data Center revenue, it <strong>remains well below</strong> levels prior to the onset of export controls. We expect the market in China to remain very competitive going forward.</p><p>Colette Kress, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer (Q3 2025 Earnings Call).</p></blockquote><p>Now, India has emerged as a potential counterbalance, with CSPs like Tata Communications and Infosys scaling deployments to ~10x GPU capacity within a year. Japan is also a vital growth market. Here, Nvidia’s partnership with SoftBank to build the country’s most powerful AI supercomputer reinforces its market lead in the Asia-Pacific region. These geographic expansions obviously minimize the risk of export restrictions that may intensify more under Trump 2.0. So, Nvidia is diversifying revenue sources across regions with less regulatory friction.</p><p>On the bottom-line, Nvidia’s gross margins of 75% non-GAAP reflect a stable cost structure despite rising OpEx due to Blackwell. The sequential uptick in GAAP operating expenses (+9%) is tied to higher development costs for new products (like Blackwell) pointing to reinvestment for prolonged capability. While demand for Blackwell products may temper margins slightly in the near term (low-70s), these will normalize to mid-70s with a full ramp-up. This continued top-line boom with +70% gross margins is good for the stock in terms of valuation.</p><p>Nvidia’s price-to-sales (PS) ratio stands at 30, near the average of 29.8 (since the AI wave, November 2022). This PS ratio underpins Nvidia’s revenue generation capability at a premium of 1,592.74%. The normalized price-to-earnings (P/E) ratio of 55 is near the lowest level of 46.41 (since the AI wave, November 2022) while the stock offers a 1,744.91% premium on forward earnings. This disparity between current valuation and high growth premiums suggests a potential massive upside in upcoming quarters.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/02192da94d6dd6c2f13b16762c9d42d8\" alt=\"Data by YCharts\" title=\"Data by YCharts\" tg-width=\"635\" tg-height=\"491\"/><span>Data by YCharts</span></p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/cc0a066867866dfeacba675ecc03dc2a\" alt=\"seekingalpha.com\" title=\"seekingalpha.com\" tg-width=\"932\" tg-height=\"221\"/><span>seekingalpha.com</span></p><p style=\"text-align: left;\"></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/01645bc2e099890bc984a67c07ae18ae\" alt=\"seekingalpha.com\" title=\"seekingalpha.com\" tg-width=\"932\" tg-height=\"132\"/><span>seekingalpha.com</span></p><h2 id=\"id_262332301\">Scalability Concerns in Margin Pressures During Product Transitions</h2><p>Nvidia stock valuations, to some extent (based on the street sentiment), are dependent on the continued scalability of LLMs. There are three modes of LLM scaling for Nvidia—pre-training, post-training, and inference. Here, this dependence raises questions about the limits of scaling, as transitioning from 100K Hoppers to 100K Blackwells for foundation models may require rapid tech iteration with high CapEx cycles from clients again! Mag 7 (ex NVDA) is already under question for the ROI on AI investments. With a new cycle of Hopper to Blackwell replacement will create investor side concerns if the adoption of new scaling methods does not deliver proportional economic and operational benefits.</p><p>Additionally, as per the company, inference demand points to a growing installed base requiring upgrades but sustaining this demand assumes a constant appetite for AI-native services across enterprises. If industry enthusiasm for AI tapers and if enterprises face internal budget issues due to increasing bottom-line pressures, Nvidia’s infrastructure sales could encounter headwinds.</p><p>As Nvidia transitions from Hopper to Blackwell, gross margin pressure is a weak point. As the CFO projected, gross margins fell to the low 70s at the beginning of the Blackwell ramp, which is down from historically higher levels. The financial impact is critical. Why? First, this marks initial production inefficiencies and client onboarding for Blackwell systems. Further, mid-70s gross margins materialize in H2 2025. For the next quarters, the impact of this margin compression could be significant to dampen profitability (may result in earnings miss). The street may find it troubling as AMD (AMD) is closing the top-line growth gap and outpacing Nvidia in gross profit improvement since Q1 2024.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/7afca75a72af71720284c0f9e50d433f\" alt=\"Data by YCharts\" title=\"Data by YCharts\" tg-width=\"635\" tg-height=\"439\"/><span>Data by YCharts</span></p><p>Overall, Nvidia’s “trillion dollars of data center modernization” and “AI factories” assume a continuous upward demand. However, historical patterns in hardware deployment cycles suggest inevitable digestion phases, where clients pause to optimize and absorb CapEx. Nvidia’s projections may not account for these pauses as massive ROIs are also required for AI infrastructure. As Blackwell ramps, there is also the question of how long Nvidia can go on this pace before hitting saturation in major markets. The company assumes modernization will take several years but macro and geopolitical issues (Biden-Putin-Xi-Trump) can lead to reduced budgets and shifting priorities among enterprise clients and there will be a shift toward software-based optimizations that will for sure dilute demand for Nvidia’s hardware-centric products.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/46a5eb060785a7b5feb96a44e620d587\" alt=\"Company Overview IR\" title=\"Company Overview IR\" tg-width=\"932\" tg-height=\"559\"/><span>Company Overview IR</span></p><h2 id=\"id_3191182317\">Takeaway</h2><p>Nvidia’s recent pullback reflects short-term concerns over margin compression, geopolitical risks, and skepticism about the sustainability of AI-driven growth. However, the company’s exceptional Q3 results, driven by record Data Center performance and accelerating adoption of Hopper and Blackwell GPUs, underscore its leadership in the AI revolution. This consolidation phase is a healthy pause, setting the stage for future growth, as Nvidia remains well-positioned to capitalize on expanding AI infrastructure demand and its strong market foothold across diverse regions. With a $204 technical price target, the long-term investment case for Nvidia remains compelling.</p></body></html>","source":"lsy1728464409321","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Nvidia's Pullback: The Calm Before Takeoff</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nNvidia's Pullback: The Calm Before Takeoff\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2024-12-05 14:24 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://seekingalpha.com/article/4742050-nvidias-pullback-the-calm-before-takeoff><strong>Seeking Alpha</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>SummaryNvidia’s Data Center revenue soared 112% YoY in Q3 FY2025, hitting $30.8 billion, driven by Hopper GPUs.Blackwell ramp-up reduced gross margins to the low 70s, signaling near-term profitability...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4742050-nvidias-pullback-the-calm-before-takeoff\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"NVDA":"英伟达"},"source_url":"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4742050-nvidias-pullback-the-calm-before-takeoff","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1171018441","content_text":"SummaryNvidia’s Data Center revenue soared 112% YoY in Q3 FY2025, hitting $30.8 billion, driven by Hopper GPUs.Blackwell ramp-up reduced gross margins to the low 70s, signaling near-term profitability challenges but long-term stability.Revenue diversification across India and Japan counters U.S.-China tensions, doubling regional cloud revenue YoY.Nvidia’s H200 and Blackwell GPUs deliver record efficiency, cutting compute costs by 4x and driving adoption.Nvidia’s stock consolidation sets the stage for a bullish breakout, targeting a $204 price level.Investment ThesisSince our last coverage, we anticipated Nvidia’s strong Q3 FY2025 results would fuel another bullish run. While Nvidia delivered an earnings beat, with Data Center revenue up 112% YoY to $30.8 billion driven by Hopper H200 GPUs and rising AI workloads, the stock has pulled back due to several factors.Near-term gross margin compression from the Blackwell ramp, geopolitical risks from U.S.-China tensions, and market skepticism over AI growth sustainability have weighed on sentiment. Concerns over enterprise digestion phases for AI investments and reliance on China despite regional diversification also contributed. While Nvidia’s long-term outlook remains robust, these headwinds have tempered investor optimism, driving the stock’s decline.However, we believe this pullback is a healthy consolidation phase, providing the stock with a necessary pause to absorb its recent gains and establish a stronger support base. This period of stabilization is crucial before Nvidia can build momentum for another bullish breakout toward our $204 technical price target, driven by the sustained demand for AI infrastructure and its robust market leadership.Yiazou (trendspider.com)High Demand for AI and Accelerated ComputingNvidia’s Data Center segment had a sequential rise of 17% and an impressive YoY increase of 112% in revenue for Q3 FY2025. From $3.8 billion in Q3 fiscal 2023 to $30.8 billion in Q3 fiscal 2025 (in just 2 years) points to an 8X boom in the segment performance. These revenue numbers are the primary driver of the company’s consolidated revenue. 65% of Nvidia’s revenue was derived from the data center segment in Q3 fiscal 2023, but now the segment contribution has hit 88%. The Hopper architecture (mostly the H200 GPU) holds for much of this growth.Sequentially, H200 sales scaled to double-digit billions and marked the fastest ramp ever for Nvidia. Now, Cloud Service Providers (CSPs) contributed ~50% of the Data Center segment’s revenue, which is >2X YoY and points to the scale of AI workloads demanded by cloud environments. Regionally, Nvidia saw a 2x YoY increase in its regional cloud revenue across North America, EMEA, and Asia-Pacific, reflecting its broad penetration that aligns with CSPs ramping their Nvidia GPU-backed cloud instances.Q3 PresentationMoreover, enterprise AI demand led to growth in specific areas (like multimodal and generative AI applications) extending Nvidia’s Data Center products. Blackwell’s launch may extend these trends in the upcoming quarters. Why? The initial performance of Blackwells attained a 2.2x leap against Hoppers and cost metrics points that GPT-3 benchmarks run on only ~64 Blackwell GPUs against ~256 H100s that reduce compute costs by 4x. As adoption scales, this cost-efficiency ratio solidifies Nvidia’s business edge in compute markets. Looking forward, $37.5 billion (~70% YoY) in Q4 revenue is based on continued demand for Hopper architecture and the initial ramping of Blackwell.Q3 PresentationRegarding the concerns on China-specific Data Center revenue, it grew sequentially in Q3 but remained capped due to export controls.From a geographic perspective, our Data Center revenue in China grew sequentially due to shipments of export-compliant copper products to industries. As a percentage of total Data Center revenue, it remains well below levels prior to the onset of export controls. We expect the market in China to remain very competitive going forward.Colette Kress, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer (Q3 2025 Earnings Call).Now, India has emerged as a potential counterbalance, with CSPs like Tata Communications and Infosys scaling deployments to ~10x GPU capacity within a year. Japan is also a vital growth market. Here, Nvidia’s partnership with SoftBank to build the country’s most powerful AI supercomputer reinforces its market lead in the Asia-Pacific region. These geographic expansions obviously minimize the risk of export restrictions that may intensify more under Trump 2.0. So, Nvidia is diversifying revenue sources across regions with less regulatory friction.On the bottom-line, Nvidia’s gross margins of 75% non-GAAP reflect a stable cost structure despite rising OpEx due to Blackwell. The sequential uptick in GAAP operating expenses (+9%) is tied to higher development costs for new products (like Blackwell) pointing to reinvestment for prolonged capability. While demand for Blackwell products may temper margins slightly in the near term (low-70s), these will normalize to mid-70s with a full ramp-up. This continued top-line boom with +70% gross margins is good for the stock in terms of valuation.Nvidia’s price-to-sales (PS) ratio stands at 30, near the average of 29.8 (since the AI wave, November 2022). This PS ratio underpins Nvidia’s revenue generation capability at a premium of 1,592.74%. The normalized price-to-earnings (P/E) ratio of 55 is near the lowest level of 46.41 (since the AI wave, November 2022) while the stock offers a 1,744.91% premium on forward earnings. This disparity between current valuation and high growth premiums suggests a potential massive upside in upcoming quarters.Data by YChartsseekingalpha.comseekingalpha.comScalability Concerns in Margin Pressures During Product TransitionsNvidia stock valuations, to some extent (based on the street sentiment), are dependent on the continued scalability of LLMs. There are three modes of LLM scaling for Nvidia—pre-training, post-training, and inference. Here, this dependence raises questions about the limits of scaling, as transitioning from 100K Hoppers to 100K Blackwells for foundation models may require rapid tech iteration with high CapEx cycles from clients again! Mag 7 (ex NVDA) is already under question for the ROI on AI investments. With a new cycle of Hopper to Blackwell replacement will create investor side concerns if the adoption of new scaling methods does not deliver proportional economic and operational benefits.Additionally, as per the company, inference demand points to a growing installed base requiring upgrades but sustaining this demand assumes a constant appetite for AI-native services across enterprises. If industry enthusiasm for AI tapers and if enterprises face internal budget issues due to increasing bottom-line pressures, Nvidia’s infrastructure sales could encounter headwinds.As Nvidia transitions from Hopper to Blackwell, gross margin pressure is a weak point. As the CFO projected, gross margins fell to the low 70s at the beginning of the Blackwell ramp, which is down from historically higher levels. The financial impact is critical. Why? First, this marks initial production inefficiencies and client onboarding for Blackwell systems. Further, mid-70s gross margins materialize in H2 2025. For the next quarters, the impact of this margin compression could be significant to dampen profitability (may result in earnings miss). The street may find it troubling as AMD (AMD) is closing the top-line growth gap and outpacing Nvidia in gross profit improvement since Q1 2024.Data by YChartsOverall, Nvidia’s “trillion dollars of data center modernization” and “AI factories” assume a continuous upward demand. However, historical patterns in hardware deployment cycles suggest inevitable digestion phases, where clients pause to optimize and absorb CapEx. Nvidia’s projections may not account for these pauses as massive ROIs are also required for AI infrastructure. As Blackwell ramps, there is also the question of how long Nvidia can go on this pace before hitting saturation in major markets. The company assumes modernization will take several years but macro and geopolitical issues (Biden-Putin-Xi-Trump) can lead to reduced budgets and shifting priorities among enterprise clients and there will be a shift toward software-based optimizations that will for sure dilute demand for Nvidia’s hardware-centric products.Company Overview IRTakeawayNvidia’s recent pullback reflects short-term concerns over margin compression, geopolitical risks, and skepticism about the sustainability of AI-driven growth. However, the company’s exceptional Q3 results, driven by record Data Center performance and accelerating adoption of Hopper and Blackwell GPUs, underscore its leadership in the AI revolution. This consolidation phase is a healthy pause, setting the stage for future growth, as Nvidia remains well-positioned to capitalize on expanding AI infrastructure demand and its strong market foothold across diverse regions. With a $204 technical price target, the long-term investment case for Nvidia remains compelling.","news_type":1,"symbols_score_info":{"NVDA":1.1}},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":2239,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0}],"lives":[]}