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(NYSE:PLTR) stock has been one of the best trading stocks you can ask for. It moves with extreme swings higher and lower, our traders have made a bundle, especially by selling premium (i.e., puts and calls). We have stood behind the technology as a gamechanger. This is truly an innovative and disruptive company that has massive reach to both the commercial and government sectors.</p><p>The company is operating in the most important currency of our lifetimes: big data. And while the company innovates, and helps its clients understand data and make decisions, as an investment this has been complete trash, really an utter disaster. That may not be a technical finance term in the literature, but it is a term you hear often at hedge funds and trading floors. Frankly, while we believe in the ability of the company to deliver long-term, and we own some of it, it has been an utter disaster for longs that are not trading in and out. While we are up off the bottom, there are still so many retail "bag-holders" out there.</p><p><b>Trading not investing</b></p><p>The only ones making money in this stock are trading in and out. You can make good money holding a core investment and selling calls, or even selling puts, due to the volatility. Those who scalp nickels and dimes are doing well. Those who are caught near the bottom are hit hard. But investing here requires extreme patience, and frankly, while we get the win on the trades over and over, we recognize that investors are getting slammed here.</p><p><b>Pressure mounts</b></p><p>Unfortunately, despite a market rally, this remains a trader's market right now, and we think that is the best way to handle Palantir for now. That said, we think you can hold a small core position for the long-term, but with all of the issues facing the company from dilution to a questionable management team, the economic picture has been poor for the company, making matters worse. Governments are spending less. Businesses are tightening up. While we think you can see business recognize the money saving potential of decision making algorithms, company capex on things like this tends to get cut first when businesses tighten their belt. This is a near-term issue, while things like dilution are longer-term. The thing is, we think you should trade this name. We hate to see investors lose money, and we know it can be painful, but it's been complete trash, in our humble opinion. Is all hope lost here?</p><p><b>Companies like Palantir tend to be expensive before they finally sustain earnings</b></p><p>Companies like Palantir are indeed often extremely expensive in the early stages. Granted, this company has been around for a long time, but is newly public, barely two years old here public. You really cannot value them on an earnings basis because there are no or very little earnings often as they ramp up. Palantir, as we mentioned has that massive dilution problem, which means consistent positive EPS gets kicked further down the road. We think Palantir has a lot of potential, but this market is beyond unforgiving to those companies that do not make money or have sky high valuations. The last few weeks have seen a huge tech rally, and Palantir stock began to see a big bid up, until this week.</p><p><b>Little faith in Palantir</b></p><p>Investors are now starting to see that Palantir may lose money or breakeven for years. Of course, the theory goes that companies like this will lose money as they spend to attract customers and build their moat. They invest heavily in their growth while seeing revenues increase dramatically. And as we know, Palantir is seeing revenues grow tremendously, but even that pace of growth is slowing, and that is a huge risk. If you believe in the tech (we do) you can add selectively to a well-rounded portfolio to improve cost basis, and put faith in management that it can deliver on growing the business profitably without diluting shareholders into oblivion, but it may take years to get a return. It is just easier to make 5,6,7, even 10% on this name by trading over and over. Investing requires patience and belief that things will improve. Right now, this is a tall order for this company and management. There is no, or very little faith.</p><p>While operationally the company is growing sufficiently, management has some credibility issues. What one has to do is determine if what the company offers will solve enough headaches for customers that eventually the growing sales turn into sustained and growing profits. However, the most recent quarter was also "trash," as we say.</p><p><b>Headline earnings figures mixed</b></p><p>In the just-reported quarter, performance was pretty mixed on the top and bottom lines with revenue just a touch ahead of consensus estimates, and earnings missing horribly. Total revenue grew 25.9% year-over-year to $473.0 million, beating estimates by just over $1 million. However, its profitability was lower than expected by $0.04, and worse, guidance was far less than consensus. That crushed the stock's momentum that it had going for it. Now revenues are only growing in the 20% range, versus 30+. Ouch. Further, most expected the company to make a tiny profit this quarter, and instead it lost money. Ouch.</p><p><b>Palantir's Government and Commercial sectors both showing growth</b></p><p>As you likely are aware, Palantir has two reporting segments: both the government and commercial segments. The commercial revenue stream continues to grow rapidly, while government results seem to be slowing. There is a ton of disagreement out there on whether the somewhat shaky economy will help or hurt, but we think it definitely slows both sectors, especially government.</p><p>Deceleration of revenue growth is definitely a negative for a company like this that does not enjoy high earnings. The revenues did rise 26% from last year, and the company's customer count increased to 304, up from 169 a year ago, but sequentially customer growth seems to be slowing. Palantir added 27 net new customers in the second quarter, with 19 net new commercial customers. We think it is important to note that the commercial space is doing well. The commercial revenue is expanding rapidly, increasing 132% in 2021, and here in Q2, it rose 46% year-over-year. That said, each earnings report it seems the year-over-year growth is a little less. Not great.</p><p>The government business growth has just stalled. Here government revenue expanded to $263 million in revenue in Q2, rising 9% quarter-over-quarter. One positive is that health care (both in government and also commercial) has become a substantial and rapidly growing business, generating approximately $153 million in revenue in the first half of 2022, up from $42 million in the first half of 2020. Decent growth.</p><p><b>Margins show good news</b></p><p>For as much as the company seemed to have whiffed, there has been pockets of good news. Palantir is seeing very positive momentum in its margins. Positive movement in margins is important in a software company as it really highlights strengths, or weaknesses, in the way it distributes its products. Palantir is delivering here. Adjusted gross margin, (these are the margins which excludes the horrible dilutive stock-based compensation expenses) was 81%. The adjusted income from operations, excluding stock-based compensation and related employer payroll taxes, was $108 million, representing adjusted operating margin of 23% ahead of management's prior guidance of 20%.</p><p>Palantir expenses are on the rise but cash flow is positive.</p><p>While margins were solid, adjusted expenses are on the rise. Expenses were $365 million, up 11% sequentially. With the revenue number and higher expenses however, despite margins, led to a loss in the quarter. As mentioned adjusted earnings per share was a loss of $0.01. Some of this was that there was a $0.05 impact driven primarily by losses on securities held.</p><p>The company also generated $62 million in cash from operations, and the adjusted free cash flow was $61 million. That was the seventh consecutive quarter of positive free cash flow. Over the last year Palantir generated $314 million in adjusted free cash flow. The balance sheet is anything but trash. The company still has a solid $2.4 billion in cash and cash equivalents and absolutely no debt. Now that said, the company did decide a few weeks ago to expand its revolving credit facility by adding a $450 million new incremental delayed draw term loan facility. Long story short, the company has liquidity if needed. Overall, they have an additional liquidity source up to $950 million and it remains entirely undrawn.</p><p>The reason we explain that is this company is in no danger of any sort of bankruptcies. The investment might be horrible as sustained positive EPS remains elusive, but the balance sheet is nice.</p><p><b>Palantir stock valuation</b></p><p>When we look at the valuation of Palantir stock, the bottom line is the stock is expensive to own. Sure, looking at traditional price-to-earnings is futile, but if you did you would see a stock at like 170X FWD EPS. Very pricey. Perhaps the more appropriate measure is the price-to-sales ratio, but not only is this still very high, the market has basically said it is no longer willing to pay for sky high multiples here in 2022. Keep that in mind. At 10.4X sales, the stock is relatively cheaper than it has ever been, but it is still not "cheap" by any stretch at all. We like the cash flow metrics, though the price to cash flow is still about 70X.</p><p><b>Guidance was more than disappointing</b></p><p>The biggest concern right now is not valuation, or the Q2 earnings results. Nor is it the fact that the stock has been a trash investment. The biggest issue right now is also not the never ending dilution (which stinks). It is not the broader market risk either. The largest issue is a slowdown in performance, the slowing growth of revenues, and continued reduced guidance including here in Q3. The Q3 guidance was pretty weak. For Q3 2022, the company "expects revenue of between $474 million to $475 million" which was way below consensus of $505 million. For the year, we are looking at nearly 5% lower revenues than expected. Ouch. For the year management guided "revenue of $1.9 billion" vs. consensus of $1.98 billion. Adjusted income from operations should be $341 million to $343 million.</p><p>So, what is our take?</p><p>We would be selling calls here on the next pop. The volatility is high here and premiums are hefty. On the next big downturn, sell puts a month or two out and out of the money. If assigned, turn right around and sell calls. Trade around the position. Palantir's growth is slowly fading, though still strong. We also think profitability is elusive. Dilution could continue so long that positive EPS becomes out of reach without future buybacks. Stick to trading the name, or buy a few shares and come back in 10 years.</p><p><b>Take home</b></p><p>We love that the company operates with no debt and has nice positive free cash flow. The company offers amazing solutions for government and businesses by using big data and using analytics to improve operations. But, investments in the stock have been trashed. Traders have won over and over again. While growth will continue, and the balance sheet is solid, we have to keep an eye on the pace of customer growth and contract values. 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(NYSE:PLTR) stock has been one of the best trading stocks you can ask for. It moves with extreme swings higher and lower, our traders have made a bundle, especially by selling premium (i.e., puts and calls). We have stood behind the technology as a gamechanger. This is truly an innovative and disruptive company that has massive reach to both the commercial and government sectors.The company is operating in the most important currency of our lifetimes: big data. And while the company innovates, and helps its clients understand data and make decisions, as an investment this has been complete trash, really an utter disaster. That may not be a technical finance term in the literature, but it is a term you hear often at hedge funds and trading floors. Frankly, while we believe in the ability of the company to deliver long-term, and we own some of it, it has been an utter disaster for longs that are not trading in and out. While we are up off the bottom, there are still so many retail \"bag-holders\" out there.Trading not investingThe only ones making money in this stock are trading in and out. You can make good money holding a core investment and selling calls, or even selling puts, due to the volatility. Those who scalp nickels and dimes are doing well. Those who are caught near the bottom are hit hard. But investing here requires extreme patience, and frankly, while we get the win on the trades over and over, we recognize that investors are getting slammed here.Pressure mountsUnfortunately, despite a market rally, this remains a trader's market right now, and we think that is the best way to handle Palantir for now. That said, we think you can hold a small core position for the long-term, but with all of the issues facing the company from dilution to a questionable management team, the economic picture has been poor for the company, making matters worse. Governments are spending less. Businesses are tightening up. While we think you can see business recognize the money saving potential of decision making algorithms, company capex on things like this tends to get cut first when businesses tighten their belt. This is a near-term issue, while things like dilution are longer-term. The thing is, we think you should trade this name. We hate to see investors lose money, and we know it can be painful, but it's been complete trash, in our humble opinion. Is all hope lost here?Companies like Palantir tend to be expensive before they finally sustain earningsCompanies like Palantir are indeed often extremely expensive in the early stages. Granted, this company has been around for a long time, but is newly public, barely two years old here public. You really cannot value them on an earnings basis because there are no or very little earnings often as they ramp up. Palantir, as we mentioned has that massive dilution problem, which means consistent positive EPS gets kicked further down the road. We think Palantir has a lot of potential, but this market is beyond unforgiving to those companies that do not make money or have sky high valuations. The last few weeks have seen a huge tech rally, and Palantir stock began to see a big bid up, until this week.Little faith in PalantirInvestors are now starting to see that Palantir may lose money or breakeven for years. Of course, the theory goes that companies like this will lose money as they spend to attract customers and build their moat. They invest heavily in their growth while seeing revenues increase dramatically. And as we know, Palantir is seeing revenues grow tremendously, but even that pace of growth is slowing, and that is a huge risk. If you believe in the tech (we do) you can add selectively to a well-rounded portfolio to improve cost basis, and put faith in management that it can deliver on growing the business profitably without diluting shareholders into oblivion, but it may take years to get a return. It is just easier to make 5,6,7, even 10% on this name by trading over and over. Investing requires patience and belief that things will improve. Right now, this is a tall order for this company and management. There is no, or very little faith.While operationally the company is growing sufficiently, management has some credibility issues. What one has to do is determine if what the company offers will solve enough headaches for customers that eventually the growing sales turn into sustained and growing profits. However, the most recent quarter was also \"trash,\" as we say.Headline earnings figures mixedIn the just-reported quarter, performance was pretty mixed on the top and bottom lines with revenue just a touch ahead of consensus estimates, and earnings missing horribly. Total revenue grew 25.9% year-over-year to $473.0 million, beating estimates by just over $1 million. However, its profitability was lower than expected by $0.04, and worse, guidance was far less than consensus. That crushed the stock's momentum that it had going for it. Now revenues are only growing in the 20% range, versus 30+. Ouch. Further, most expected the company to make a tiny profit this quarter, and instead it lost money. Ouch.Palantir's Government and Commercial sectors both showing growthAs you likely are aware, Palantir has two reporting segments: both the government and commercial segments. The commercial revenue stream continues to grow rapidly, while government results seem to be slowing. There is a ton of disagreement out there on whether the somewhat shaky economy will help or hurt, but we think it definitely slows both sectors, especially government.Deceleration of revenue growth is definitely a negative for a company like this that does not enjoy high earnings. The revenues did rise 26% from last year, and the company's customer count increased to 304, up from 169 a year ago, but sequentially customer growth seems to be slowing. Palantir added 27 net new customers in the second quarter, with 19 net new commercial customers. We think it is important to note that the commercial space is doing well. The commercial revenue is expanding rapidly, increasing 132% in 2021, and here in Q2, it rose 46% year-over-year. That said, each earnings report it seems the year-over-year growth is a little less. Not great.The government business growth has just stalled. Here government revenue expanded to $263 million in revenue in Q2, rising 9% quarter-over-quarter. One positive is that health care (both in government and also commercial) has become a substantial and rapidly growing business, generating approximately $153 million in revenue in the first half of 2022, up from $42 million in the first half of 2020. Decent growth.Margins show good newsFor as much as the company seemed to have whiffed, there has been pockets of good news. Palantir is seeing very positive momentum in its margins. Positive movement in margins is important in a software company as it really highlights strengths, or weaknesses, in the way it distributes its products. Palantir is delivering here. Adjusted gross margin, (these are the margins which excludes the horrible dilutive stock-based compensation expenses) was 81%. The adjusted income from operations, excluding stock-based compensation and related employer payroll taxes, was $108 million, representing adjusted operating margin of 23% ahead of management's prior guidance of 20%.Palantir expenses are on the rise but cash flow is positive.While margins were solid, adjusted expenses are on the rise. Expenses were $365 million, up 11% sequentially. With the revenue number and higher expenses however, despite margins, led to a loss in the quarter. As mentioned adjusted earnings per share was a loss of $0.01. Some of this was that there was a $0.05 impact driven primarily by losses on securities held.The company also generated $62 million in cash from operations, and the adjusted free cash flow was $61 million. That was the seventh consecutive quarter of positive free cash flow. Over the last year Palantir generated $314 million in adjusted free cash flow. The balance sheet is anything but trash. The company still has a solid $2.4 billion in cash and cash equivalents and absolutely no debt. Now that said, the company did decide a few weeks ago to expand its revolving credit facility by adding a $450 million new incremental delayed draw term loan facility. Long story short, the company has liquidity if needed. Overall, they have an additional liquidity source up to $950 million and it remains entirely undrawn.The reason we explain that is this company is in no danger of any sort of bankruptcies. The investment might be horrible as sustained positive EPS remains elusive, but the balance sheet is nice.Palantir stock valuationWhen we look at the valuation of Palantir stock, the bottom line is the stock is expensive to own. Sure, looking at traditional price-to-earnings is futile, but if you did you would see a stock at like 170X FWD EPS. Very pricey. Perhaps the more appropriate measure is the price-to-sales ratio, but not only is this still very high, the market has basically said it is no longer willing to pay for sky high multiples here in 2022. Keep that in mind. At 10.4X sales, the stock is relatively cheaper than it has ever been, but it is still not \"cheap\" by any stretch at all. We like the cash flow metrics, though the price to cash flow is still about 70X.Guidance was more than disappointingThe biggest concern right now is not valuation, or the Q2 earnings results. Nor is it the fact that the stock has been a trash investment. The biggest issue right now is also not the never ending dilution (which stinks). It is not the broader market risk either. The largest issue is a slowdown in performance, the slowing growth of revenues, and continued reduced guidance including here in Q3. The Q3 guidance was pretty weak. For Q3 2022, the company \"expects revenue of between $474 million to $475 million\" which was way below consensus of $505 million. For the year, we are looking at nearly 5% lower revenues than expected. Ouch. For the year management guided \"revenue of $1.9 billion\" vs. consensus of $1.98 billion. Adjusted income from operations should be $341 million to $343 million.So, what is our take?We would be selling calls here on the next pop. The volatility is high here and premiums are hefty. On the next big downturn, sell puts a month or two out and out of the money. If assigned, turn right around and sell calls. Trade around the position. Palantir's growth is slowly fading, though still strong. We also think profitability is elusive. Dilution could continue so long that positive EPS becomes out of reach without future buybacks. Stick to trading the name, or buy a few shares and come back in 10 years.Take homeWe love that the company operates with no debt and has nice positive free cash flow. The company offers amazing solutions for government and businesses by using big data and using analytics to improve operations. But, investments in the stock have been trashed. Traders have won over and over again. While growth will continue, and the balance sheet is solid, we have to keep an eye on the pace of customer growth and contract values. On the next drawdown to the $8 range, we would be buyers.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":354,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":9072655601,"gmtCreate":1658028509604,"gmtModify":1676536095904,"author":{"id":"4100952204206320","authorId":"4100952204206320","name":"Torara","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":2,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"4100952204206320","authorIdStr":"4100952204206320"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"[smile] ","listText":"[smile] ","text":"[smile]","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/9072655601","repostId":"2249540083","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"2249540083","kind":"highlight","pubTimestamp":1658021139,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/2249540083?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2022-07-17 09:25","market":"uk","language":"en","title":"Tycoon Whose Bet Broke the Nickel Market Walks Away a Billionaire","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2249540083","media":"Bloomberg","summary":"SINGAPORE (BLOOMBERG) --By 2.08pm Shanghai time on March 8, it was clear that Xiang Guangda's giant ","content":"<html><head></head><body><p>SINGAPORE (BLOOMBERG) --By 2.08pm Shanghai time on March 8, it was clear that Xiang Guangda's giant bet on a fall in nickel prices was going spectacularly wrong.</p><p>Futures had just skyrocketed above US$100,000 a ton and his trade was more than US$10 billion underwater. It was threatening not only to bankrupt Mr Xiang's company, but to trigger a Lehman Brothers-like shock through the entire metals industry and possibly topple the London Metal Exchange (LME) itself.</p><p>But Mr Xiang was calm. Within hours, more than 50 bankers had arrived at his office wanting to hear how he planned to respond to the crisis. He told them simply: "I'm confident that we will overcome this."</p><p>And he did.</p><p>Four months on, the nickel price is falling, as Mr Xiang had predicted. The coterie of banks led by JPMorgan Chase & Co that were baying for his blood has been repaid. He has closed out nearly all his short position in nickel, making a loss on the trade of about US$1 billion - a manageable sum given the profits being generated elsewhere in his business empire, say people who know him.</p><p>Crucially: the man nicknamed 'Big Shot' in Chinese commodities circles is poised to walk away from the fiasco with his multibillion-dollar mining and steelmaking company, Tsingshan Holding Group, intact and even expanding.</p><p>But while Mr Xiang moves on, others are left dealing with the destruction wrought by the crisis. His miraculous escape was thanks in no small part to the actions of the LME, which controversially intervened to prevent prices from rising and then suspended trading until Mr Xiang had struck a deal with his banks.</p><p>Those on the other side of the trade, who lost billions, were furious. Months later, the LME is dealing with a raft of investigations and lawsuits, and the nickel market is still reeling.</p><p>"Nice to see that @jpmorgan and The Big Shot got out of this whole thing with only scratches," Cliff Asness, founder of AQR Capital Management, said last week in a tweet thick with sarcasm. "It's just heart warming."</p><p>This account of how Mr Xiang extricated himself from a short squeeze that rocked the global metals markets is based on numerous interviews with people who were involved, all of whom requested anonymity. Multiple attempts to seek comment from Tsingshan were unsuccessful.</p><h2>Massive short squeeze</h2><p>Mr Xiang had built up his massive short position in late 2021 and early 2022 partly as a hedge, partly as a bet that a planned jump in Tsingshan's production this year would drag down prices. But when Russia's invasion of Ukraine jolted global markets, nickel started climbing - gradually at first, before rocketing 250 per cent in an epic squeeze.</p><p>On the evening of March 8, senior bankers crowded into a room at Tsingshan's headquarters demanding answers. Others dialed in for video calls from London or Singapore. Of those present, some didn't leave until early the next morning.</p><p>More On This TopicXiang Guangda, the metals 'visionary' who brought nickel market to a standstillNickel trading halted after unprecedented 250% spike amid Russia supply fears</p><p>The crowd that night was so large because Mr Xiang's position was spread across about 10 banks and brokers - he had been a good client for many of them, including JPMorgan, for years. But after nickel started spiking on March 7, Tsingshan struggled to meet its margin calls. Now he owed each of them hundreds of millions of dollars.</p><p>The LME had eventually intervened to halt trading a couple of hours after nickel hit US$100,000. It also canceled billions of dollars of transactions, bringing the price back to US$48,078, where it closed the previous day, in what amounted to a lifeline for Mr Xiang and Tsingshan.</p><p>To reopen the market, the LME proposed a solution: Mr Xiang should strike a deal with holders of long positions to close out his trade. But a price of around US$50,000 would be more than twice the level at which he had entered his short position, and would mean accepting billions of dollars in losses.</p><p>Mr Xiang, who is in his early 60s, stood firm. From a start making frames for car doors and windows in Wenzhou, eastern China, he'd built Tsingshan into the world's largest nickel and stainless steel producer, with an empire stretching from mines in remote Indonesian islands to steel mills on China's east coast. Along the way, he'd acquired a reputation for visionary thinking and a taste for betting big.</p><p>The spike in prices and the trading freeze caused havoc for companies that use nickel, like stainless steel mills and makers of batteries for electric vehicles. Some simply stopped taking new orders. On the LME, dealers were left frantically trying to recoup missed margin calls from clients who couldn't pay, and at least one had to seek financial support from its parent company.</p><p>Yet with unprecedented chaos rippling through the industry, Mr Xiang - still facing his bankers in the early hours of March 9 - had a key advantage. They were more terrified than he was.</p><p>If he refused to pay, they would have to chase him in courts in Indonesia and China. What's more, he had executed his nickel trade through a variety of corporate entities - such as the Hong Kong branch of battery unit Ruipu Energy - and it wasn't clear the banks would even have the right to seize Tsingshan's most valuable assets.</p><p>JPMorgan, which had the biggest exposure, took the lead. The group included some international players like Standard Chartered Bank and BNP Paribas, but many were Chinese and Singaporean banks that had little experience handling a situation like this.</p><h2>Personal guarantee</h2><p>Mr Xiang told the assembled bankers he had no intention of closing the position anywhere near US$50,000. A few hours later he was delivering the same message to Matthew Chamberlain, chief executive of the LME. Tsingshan was a strong company, he said, and it had the support of the Chinese government. There would be no backing down.</p><p>Instead, he wrote a list of the assets he was willing to put up as collateral: a string of ferronickel plants in Indonesia. But for some of the bankers, that wasn't enough. They wouldn't be able to do any due diligence on the Indonesian assets for weeks or months, and even those who worked closely with Tsingshan hadn't seen the facilities for years because of the pandemic.</p><p>So Mr Xiang made a further concession that was both valuable and, in Chinese business culture, humbling: a personal guarantee. If Tsingshan didn't pay its debts, the bankers could turf him out of his home. That was what he was willing to offer. Take it or leave it.</p><p>More On This TopicMetal traders reel as nickel chaos recalls market's darkest daysLondon Metal Exchange CEO calls for more powers to intervene as nickel trading halt continues</p><p>It wasn't much of a choice. On March 14, a week after the chaos that engulfed the nickel market, Tsingshan announced a deal with its banks under which they agreed not to pursue the company for the billions it owed for a period of time. In exchange, Mr Xiang agreed a series of price levels at which he would reduce his nickel position once prices dropped below about US$30,000.</p><p>When the market reopened two days later, prices moved lower, easing the strain on Mr Xiang and the banks. A brief dip below US$30,000 allowed Tsingshan to cover about 20 per cent of its short position.</p><p>The pressure on the LME was only intensifying, however. The exchange's regulators launched reviews of its governance and oversight and many hedge funds were still furious at the LME's decision to cancel trades.Open interest across the exchange's six main metals slid to the lowest in more than a decade as traders headed for the exit.</p><p>Each month, Tsingshan and its banks reviewed their standstill agreement. After the initial dip, nickel spent long stretches in limbo with prices hovering around US$33,000.</p><p>It was a nervous time. Tsingshan still had a vast short position, meaning it and its banks could still be exposed to large losses if prices started rising again - for example, if sanctions against Russia led to an actual disruption in nickel supplies, which so far they hadn't.</p><p>Finally, in May, prices tumbled decisively below the key US$30,000 level after China's lockdowns dented metals market sentiment. Over the following weeks, Tsingshan reduced its position - which in early March had been over 150,000 tons - to just 60,000 tons.</p><p>By this point, prices were below the level at which Tsingshan had stopped being able to pay its margin calls in early March, which meant Mr Xiang no longer owed the banks any money.</p><p>By the end of June Mr Xiang had exited his position entirely with JPMorgan and several other banks, leaving him with a remaining short of less than 20,000 tons.</p><p>People familiar with the matter estimate Tsingshan's losses on the trade at around US$1 billion. Mr Xiang isn't concerned. The loss has been roughly offset by the profits of his nickel operations over the same period. The standstill agreement, which Mr Xiang extended from the initial three months, is set to expire in mid-July.</p><p>Now 'Big Shot' is moving on with his life, focusing on plans for the future at Tsingshan, which had revenues of US$56 billion last year. His ability to trade on the LME may be reduced, for now at least, but he is still able to trade on the Shanghai Futures Exchange. He has ambitions to expand, not only in Asia, but also to Africa. And Tsingshan is as powerful as ever in the nickel market: a massive increase in production from his plants in Indonesia is one of the key factors driving prices lower, much as Mr Xiang predicted.</p><p>But while Mr Xiang may be moving on, the LME is still dealing with the fallout. Regulators have pointed to the chaos in nickel as a sign of the risks lurking in commodity markets, and called for greater oversight of the entire sector. Hedge fund Elliot Investment Management and trading firm Jane Street have launched legal action against the LME, seeking nearly US$500 million.</p><p>And the nickel market is still broken, say people involved in it, with both open interest and trading volumes stuck at sharply lower levels as traders step away from using LME prices in their contracts. Jim Lennon, a veteran nickel market-watcher and managing director of Red Door Research, estimates that less than 25 per cent of global nickel output is now being sold on the basis of LME prices, down from 50 per cent before the crisis in March.</p><p>"A lot of the industry now has temporarily disengaged from the LME," he says. "The market is still functioning, but it's struggling."</p></body></html>","source":"lsy1584095487587","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Tycoon Whose Bet Broke the Nickel Market Walks Away a Billionaire</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nTycoon Whose Bet Broke the Nickel Market Walks Away a Billionaire\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2022-07-17 09:25 GMT+8 <a href=https://www.straitstimes.com/business/companies-markets/tycoon-whose-bet-broke-the-nickel-market-walks-away-a-billionaire><strong>Bloomberg</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>SINGAPORE (BLOOMBERG) --By 2.08pm Shanghai time on March 8, it was clear that Xiang Guangda's giant bet on a fall in nickel prices was going spectacularly wrong.Futures had just skyrocketed above US$...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://www.straitstimes.com/business/companies-markets/tycoon-whose-bet-broke-the-nickel-market-walks-away-a-billionaire\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"NICK.UK":"镍ETF","NIC.AU":"Nickel Industries Ltd","JJN":"镍ETN-iPath"},"source_url":"https://www.straitstimes.com/business/companies-markets/tycoon-whose-bet-broke-the-nickel-market-walks-away-a-billionaire","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"2249540083","content_text":"SINGAPORE (BLOOMBERG) --By 2.08pm Shanghai time on March 8, it was clear that Xiang Guangda's giant bet on a fall in nickel prices was going spectacularly wrong.Futures had just skyrocketed above US$100,000 a ton and his trade was more than US$10 billion underwater. It was threatening not only to bankrupt Mr Xiang's company, but to trigger a Lehman Brothers-like shock through the entire metals industry and possibly topple the London Metal Exchange (LME) itself.But Mr Xiang was calm. Within hours, more than 50 bankers had arrived at his office wanting to hear how he planned to respond to the crisis. He told them simply: \"I'm confident that we will overcome this.\"And he did.Four months on, the nickel price is falling, as Mr Xiang had predicted. The coterie of banks led by JPMorgan Chase & Co that were baying for his blood has been repaid. He has closed out nearly all his short position in nickel, making a loss on the trade of about US$1 billion - a manageable sum given the profits being generated elsewhere in his business empire, say people who know him.Crucially: the man nicknamed 'Big Shot' in Chinese commodities circles is poised to walk away from the fiasco with his multibillion-dollar mining and steelmaking company, Tsingshan Holding Group, intact and even expanding.But while Mr Xiang moves on, others are left dealing with the destruction wrought by the crisis. His miraculous escape was thanks in no small part to the actions of the LME, which controversially intervened to prevent prices from rising and then suspended trading until Mr Xiang had struck a deal with his banks.Those on the other side of the trade, who lost billions, were furious. Months later, the LME is dealing with a raft of investigations and lawsuits, and the nickel market is still reeling.\"Nice to see that @jpmorgan and The Big Shot got out of this whole thing with only scratches,\" Cliff Asness, founder of AQR Capital Management, said last week in a tweet thick with sarcasm. \"It's just heart warming.\"This account of how Mr Xiang extricated himself from a short squeeze that rocked the global metals markets is based on numerous interviews with people who were involved, all of whom requested anonymity. Multiple attempts to seek comment from Tsingshan were unsuccessful.Massive short squeezeMr Xiang had built up his massive short position in late 2021 and early 2022 partly as a hedge, partly as a bet that a planned jump in Tsingshan's production this year would drag down prices. But when Russia's invasion of Ukraine jolted global markets, nickel started climbing - gradually at first, before rocketing 250 per cent in an epic squeeze.On the evening of March 8, senior bankers crowded into a room at Tsingshan's headquarters demanding answers. Others dialed in for video calls from London or Singapore. Of those present, some didn't leave until early the next morning.More On This TopicXiang Guangda, the metals 'visionary' who brought nickel market to a standstillNickel trading halted after unprecedented 250% spike amid Russia supply fearsThe crowd that night was so large because Mr Xiang's position was spread across about 10 banks and brokers - he had been a good client for many of them, including JPMorgan, for years. But after nickel started spiking on March 7, Tsingshan struggled to meet its margin calls. Now he owed each of them hundreds of millions of dollars.The LME had eventually intervened to halt trading a couple of hours after nickel hit US$100,000. It also canceled billions of dollars of transactions, bringing the price back to US$48,078, where it closed the previous day, in what amounted to a lifeline for Mr Xiang and Tsingshan.To reopen the market, the LME proposed a solution: Mr Xiang should strike a deal with holders of long positions to close out his trade. But a price of around US$50,000 would be more than twice the level at which he had entered his short position, and would mean accepting billions of dollars in losses.Mr Xiang, who is in his early 60s, stood firm. From a start making frames for car doors and windows in Wenzhou, eastern China, he'd built Tsingshan into the world's largest nickel and stainless steel producer, with an empire stretching from mines in remote Indonesian islands to steel mills on China's east coast. Along the way, he'd acquired a reputation for visionary thinking and a taste for betting big.The spike in prices and the trading freeze caused havoc for companies that use nickel, like stainless steel mills and makers of batteries for electric vehicles. Some simply stopped taking new orders. On the LME, dealers were left frantically trying to recoup missed margin calls from clients who couldn't pay, and at least one had to seek financial support from its parent company.Yet with unprecedented chaos rippling through the industry, Mr Xiang - still facing his bankers in the early hours of March 9 - had a key advantage. They were more terrified than he was.If he refused to pay, they would have to chase him in courts in Indonesia and China. What's more, he had executed his nickel trade through a variety of corporate entities - such as the Hong Kong branch of battery unit Ruipu Energy - and it wasn't clear the banks would even have the right to seize Tsingshan's most valuable assets.JPMorgan, which had the biggest exposure, took the lead. The group included some international players like Standard Chartered Bank and BNP Paribas, but many were Chinese and Singaporean banks that had little experience handling a situation like this.Personal guaranteeMr Xiang told the assembled bankers he had no intention of closing the position anywhere near US$50,000. A few hours later he was delivering the same message to Matthew Chamberlain, chief executive of the LME. Tsingshan was a strong company, he said, and it had the support of the Chinese government. There would be no backing down.Instead, he wrote a list of the assets he was willing to put up as collateral: a string of ferronickel plants in Indonesia. But for some of the bankers, that wasn't enough. They wouldn't be able to do any due diligence on the Indonesian assets for weeks or months, and even those who worked closely with Tsingshan hadn't seen the facilities for years because of the pandemic.So Mr Xiang made a further concession that was both valuable and, in Chinese business culture, humbling: a personal guarantee. If Tsingshan didn't pay its debts, the bankers could turf him out of his home. That was what he was willing to offer. Take it or leave it.More On This TopicMetal traders reel as nickel chaos recalls market's darkest daysLondon Metal Exchange CEO calls for more powers to intervene as nickel trading halt continuesIt wasn't much of a choice. On March 14, a week after the chaos that engulfed the nickel market, Tsingshan announced a deal with its banks under which they agreed not to pursue the company for the billions it owed for a period of time. In exchange, Mr Xiang agreed a series of price levels at which he would reduce his nickel position once prices dropped below about US$30,000.When the market reopened two days later, prices moved lower, easing the strain on Mr Xiang and the banks. A brief dip below US$30,000 allowed Tsingshan to cover about 20 per cent of its short position.The pressure on the LME was only intensifying, however. The exchange's regulators launched reviews of its governance and oversight and many hedge funds were still furious at the LME's decision to cancel trades.Open interest across the exchange's six main metals slid to the lowest in more than a decade as traders headed for the exit.Each month, Tsingshan and its banks reviewed their standstill agreement. After the initial dip, nickel spent long stretches in limbo with prices hovering around US$33,000.It was a nervous time. Tsingshan still had a vast short position, meaning it and its banks could still be exposed to large losses if prices started rising again - for example, if sanctions against Russia led to an actual disruption in nickel supplies, which so far they hadn't.Finally, in May, prices tumbled decisively below the key US$30,000 level after China's lockdowns dented metals market sentiment. Over the following weeks, Tsingshan reduced its position - which in early March had been over 150,000 tons - to just 60,000 tons.By this point, prices were below the level at which Tsingshan had stopped being able to pay its margin calls in early March, which meant Mr Xiang no longer owed the banks any money.By the end of June Mr Xiang had exited his position entirely with JPMorgan and several other banks, leaving him with a remaining short of less than 20,000 tons.People familiar with the matter estimate Tsingshan's losses on the trade at around US$1 billion. Mr Xiang isn't concerned. The loss has been roughly offset by the profits of his nickel operations over the same period. The standstill agreement, which Mr Xiang extended from the initial three months, is set to expire in mid-July.Now 'Big Shot' is moving on with his life, focusing on plans for the future at Tsingshan, which had revenues of US$56 billion last year. His ability to trade on the LME may be reduced, for now at least, but he is still able to trade on the Shanghai Futures Exchange. He has ambitions to expand, not only in Asia, but also to Africa. And Tsingshan is as powerful as ever in the nickel market: a massive increase in production from his plants in Indonesia is one of the key factors driving prices lower, much as Mr Xiang predicted.But while Mr Xiang may be moving on, the LME is still dealing with the fallout. Regulators have pointed to the chaos in nickel as a sign of the risks lurking in commodity markets, and called for greater oversight of the entire sector. Hedge fund Elliot Investment Management and trading firm Jane Street have launched legal action against the LME, seeking nearly US$500 million.And the nickel market is still broken, say people involved in it, with both open interest and trading volumes stuck at sharply lower levels as traders step away from using LME prices in their contracts. Jim Lennon, a veteran nickel market-watcher and managing director of Red Door Research, estimates that less than 25 per cent of global nickel output is now being sold on the basis of LME prices, down from 50 per cent before the crisis in March.\"A lot of the industry now has temporarily disengaged from the LME,\" he says. \"The market is still functioning, but it's struggling.\"","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":433,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":9089285146,"gmtCreate":1649994463649,"gmtModify":1676534625570,"author":{"id":"4100952204206320","authorId":"4100952204206320","name":"Torara","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":2,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"4100952204206320","authorIdStr":"4100952204206320"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"Great ariticle, would you like to share it?","listText":"Great ariticle, would you like to share it?","text":"Great ariticle, would you like to share it?","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/9089285146","repostId":"9016476123","repostType":1,"repost":{"id":9016476123,"gmtCreate":1649229403658,"gmtModify":1676534474180,"author":{"id":"3527667667103859","authorId":"3527667667103859","name":"TigerEvents","avatar":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/c266ef25181ace18bec1262357bbe1a8","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"3527667667103859","authorIdStr":"3527667667103859"},"themes":[],"title":"🏆【GAME】Hunting Eggs for Extra Saving!","htmlText":"Tiger has prepared some Easter gifts for you, please <a href=\"https://www.tigerbrokers.com.sg/activity/market/2022/easter/\" target=\"_blank\">click here</a> to check them out!Easter can still be a bonus-boosting. 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(NYSE:PLTR) stock has been one of the best trading stocks you can ask for. It moves with extreme swings higher and lower, our traders have made a bundle, especially by selling premium (i.e., puts and calls). We have stood behind the technology as a gamechanger. This is truly an innovative and disruptive company that has massive reach to both the commercial and government sectors.</p><p>The company is operating in the most important currency of our lifetimes: big data. And while the company innovates, and helps its clients understand data and make decisions, as an investment this has been complete trash, really an utter disaster. That may not be a technical finance term in the literature, but it is a term you hear often at hedge funds and trading floors. Frankly, while we believe in the ability of the company to deliver long-term, and we own some of it, it has been an utter disaster for longs that are not trading in and out. While we are up off the bottom, there are still so many retail "bag-holders" out there.</p><p><b>Trading not investing</b></p><p>The only ones making money in this stock are trading in and out. You can make good money holding a core investment and selling calls, or even selling puts, due to the volatility. Those who scalp nickels and dimes are doing well. Those who are caught near the bottom are hit hard. But investing here requires extreme patience, and frankly, while we get the win on the trades over and over, we recognize that investors are getting slammed here.</p><p><b>Pressure mounts</b></p><p>Unfortunately, despite a market rally, this remains a trader's market right now, and we think that is the best way to handle Palantir for now. That said, we think you can hold a small core position for the long-term, but with all of the issues facing the company from dilution to a questionable management team, the economic picture has been poor for the company, making matters worse. Governments are spending less. Businesses are tightening up. While we think you can see business recognize the money saving potential of decision making algorithms, company capex on things like this tends to get cut first when businesses tighten their belt. This is a near-term issue, while things like dilution are longer-term. The thing is, we think you should trade this name. We hate to see investors lose money, and we know it can be painful, but it's been complete trash, in our humble opinion. Is all hope lost here?</p><p><b>Companies like Palantir tend to be expensive before they finally sustain earnings</b></p><p>Companies like Palantir are indeed often extremely expensive in the early stages. Granted, this company has been around for a long time, but is newly public, barely two years old here public. You really cannot value them on an earnings basis because there are no or very little earnings often as they ramp up. Palantir, as we mentioned has that massive dilution problem, which means consistent positive EPS gets kicked further down the road. We think Palantir has a lot of potential, but this market is beyond unforgiving to those companies that do not make money or have sky high valuations. The last few weeks have seen a huge tech rally, and Palantir stock began to see a big bid up, until this week.</p><p><b>Little faith in Palantir</b></p><p>Investors are now starting to see that Palantir may lose money or breakeven for years. Of course, the theory goes that companies like this will lose money as they spend to attract customers and build their moat. They invest heavily in their growth while seeing revenues increase dramatically. And as we know, Palantir is seeing revenues grow tremendously, but even that pace of growth is slowing, and that is a huge risk. If you believe in the tech (we do) you can add selectively to a well-rounded portfolio to improve cost basis, and put faith in management that it can deliver on growing the business profitably without diluting shareholders into oblivion, but it may take years to get a return. It is just easier to make 5,6,7, even 10% on this name by trading over and over. Investing requires patience and belief that things will improve. Right now, this is a tall order for this company and management. There is no, or very little faith.</p><p>While operationally the company is growing sufficiently, management has some credibility issues. What one has to do is determine if what the company offers will solve enough headaches for customers that eventually the growing sales turn into sustained and growing profits. However, the most recent quarter was also "trash," as we say.</p><p><b>Headline earnings figures mixed</b></p><p>In the just-reported quarter, performance was pretty mixed on the top and bottom lines with revenue just a touch ahead of consensus estimates, and earnings missing horribly. Total revenue grew 25.9% year-over-year to $473.0 million, beating estimates by just over $1 million. However, its profitability was lower than expected by $0.04, and worse, guidance was far less than consensus. That crushed the stock's momentum that it had going for it. Now revenues are only growing in the 20% range, versus 30+. Ouch. Further, most expected the company to make a tiny profit this quarter, and instead it lost money. Ouch.</p><p><b>Palantir's Government and Commercial sectors both showing growth</b></p><p>As you likely are aware, Palantir has two reporting segments: both the government and commercial segments. The commercial revenue stream continues to grow rapidly, while government results seem to be slowing. There is a ton of disagreement out there on whether the somewhat shaky economy will help or hurt, but we think it definitely slows both sectors, especially government.</p><p>Deceleration of revenue growth is definitely a negative for a company like this that does not enjoy high earnings. The revenues did rise 26% from last year, and the company's customer count increased to 304, up from 169 a year ago, but sequentially customer growth seems to be slowing. Palantir added 27 net new customers in the second quarter, with 19 net new commercial customers. We think it is important to note that the commercial space is doing well. The commercial revenue is expanding rapidly, increasing 132% in 2021, and here in Q2, it rose 46% year-over-year. That said, each earnings report it seems the year-over-year growth is a little less. Not great.</p><p>The government business growth has just stalled. Here government revenue expanded to $263 million in revenue in Q2, rising 9% quarter-over-quarter. One positive is that health care (both in government and also commercial) has become a substantial and rapidly growing business, generating approximately $153 million in revenue in the first half of 2022, up from $42 million in the first half of 2020. Decent growth.</p><p><b>Margins show good news</b></p><p>For as much as the company seemed to have whiffed, there has been pockets of good news. Palantir is seeing very positive momentum in its margins. Positive movement in margins is important in a software company as it really highlights strengths, or weaknesses, in the way it distributes its products. Palantir is delivering here. Adjusted gross margin, (these are the margins which excludes the horrible dilutive stock-based compensation expenses) was 81%. The adjusted income from operations, excluding stock-based compensation and related employer payroll taxes, was $108 million, representing adjusted operating margin of 23% ahead of management's prior guidance of 20%.</p><p>Palantir expenses are on the rise but cash flow is positive.</p><p>While margins were solid, adjusted expenses are on the rise. Expenses were $365 million, up 11% sequentially. With the revenue number and higher expenses however, despite margins, led to a loss in the quarter. As mentioned adjusted earnings per share was a loss of $0.01. Some of this was that there was a $0.05 impact driven primarily by losses on securities held.</p><p>The company also generated $62 million in cash from operations, and the adjusted free cash flow was $61 million. That was the seventh consecutive quarter of positive free cash flow. Over the last year Palantir generated $314 million in adjusted free cash flow. The balance sheet is anything but trash. The company still has a solid $2.4 billion in cash and cash equivalents and absolutely no debt. Now that said, the company did decide a few weeks ago to expand its revolving credit facility by adding a $450 million new incremental delayed draw term loan facility. Long story short, the company has liquidity if needed. Overall, they have an additional liquidity source up to $950 million and it remains entirely undrawn.</p><p>The reason we explain that is this company is in no danger of any sort of bankruptcies. The investment might be horrible as sustained positive EPS remains elusive, but the balance sheet is nice.</p><p><b>Palantir stock valuation</b></p><p>When we look at the valuation of Palantir stock, the bottom line is the stock is expensive to own. Sure, looking at traditional price-to-earnings is futile, but if you did you would see a stock at like 170X FWD EPS. Very pricey. Perhaps the more appropriate measure is the price-to-sales ratio, but not only is this still very high, the market has basically said it is no longer willing to pay for sky high multiples here in 2022. Keep that in mind. At 10.4X sales, the stock is relatively cheaper than it has ever been, but it is still not "cheap" by any stretch at all. We like the cash flow metrics, though the price to cash flow is still about 70X.</p><p><b>Guidance was more than disappointing</b></p><p>The biggest concern right now is not valuation, or the Q2 earnings results. Nor is it the fact that the stock has been a trash investment. The biggest issue right now is also not the never ending dilution (which stinks). It is not the broader market risk either. The largest issue is a slowdown in performance, the slowing growth of revenues, and continued reduced guidance including here in Q3. The Q3 guidance was pretty weak. For Q3 2022, the company "expects revenue of between $474 million to $475 million" which was way below consensus of $505 million. For the year, we are looking at nearly 5% lower revenues than expected. Ouch. For the year management guided "revenue of $1.9 billion" vs. consensus of $1.98 billion. Adjusted income from operations should be $341 million to $343 million.</p><p>So, what is our take?</p><p>We would be selling calls here on the next pop. The volatility is high here and premiums are hefty. On the next big downturn, sell puts a month or two out and out of the money. If assigned, turn right around and sell calls. Trade around the position. Palantir's growth is slowly fading, though still strong. We also think profitability is elusive. Dilution could continue so long that positive EPS becomes out of reach without future buybacks. Stick to trading the name, or buy a few shares and come back in 10 years.</p><p><b>Take home</b></p><p>We love that the company operates with no debt and has nice positive free cash flow. The company offers amazing solutions for government and businesses by using big data and using analytics to improve operations. But, investments in the stock have been trashed. Traders have won over and over again. While growth will continue, and the balance sheet is solid, we have to keep an eye on the pace of customer growth and contract values. 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(NYSE:PLTR) stock has been one of the best trading stocks you can ask for. It moves with extreme swings higher and lower, our traders have made a bundle, especially by selling premium (i.e., puts and calls). We have stood behind the technology as a gamechanger. This is truly an innovative and disruptive company that has massive reach to both the commercial and government sectors.The company is operating in the most important currency of our lifetimes: big data. And while the company innovates, and helps its clients understand data and make decisions, as an investment this has been complete trash, really an utter disaster. That may not be a technical finance term in the literature, but it is a term you hear often at hedge funds and trading floors. Frankly, while we believe in the ability of the company to deliver long-term, and we own some of it, it has been an utter disaster for longs that are not trading in and out. While we are up off the bottom, there are still so many retail \"bag-holders\" out there.Trading not investingThe only ones making money in this stock are trading in and out. You can make good money holding a core investment and selling calls, or even selling puts, due to the volatility. Those who scalp nickels and dimes are doing well. Those who are caught near the bottom are hit hard. But investing here requires extreme patience, and frankly, while we get the win on the trades over and over, we recognize that investors are getting slammed here.Pressure mountsUnfortunately, despite a market rally, this remains a trader's market right now, and we think that is the best way to handle Palantir for now. That said, we think you can hold a small core position for the long-term, but with all of the issues facing the company from dilution to a questionable management team, the economic picture has been poor for the company, making matters worse. Governments are spending less. Businesses are tightening up. While we think you can see business recognize the money saving potential of decision making algorithms, company capex on things like this tends to get cut first when businesses tighten their belt. This is a near-term issue, while things like dilution are longer-term. The thing is, we think you should trade this name. We hate to see investors lose money, and we know it can be painful, but it's been complete trash, in our humble opinion. Is all hope lost here?Companies like Palantir tend to be expensive before they finally sustain earningsCompanies like Palantir are indeed often extremely expensive in the early stages. Granted, this company has been around for a long time, but is newly public, barely two years old here public. You really cannot value them on an earnings basis because there are no or very little earnings often as they ramp up. Palantir, as we mentioned has that massive dilution problem, which means consistent positive EPS gets kicked further down the road. We think Palantir has a lot of potential, but this market is beyond unforgiving to those companies that do not make money or have sky high valuations. The last few weeks have seen a huge tech rally, and Palantir stock began to see a big bid up, until this week.Little faith in PalantirInvestors are now starting to see that Palantir may lose money or breakeven for years. Of course, the theory goes that companies like this will lose money as they spend to attract customers and build their moat. They invest heavily in their growth while seeing revenues increase dramatically. And as we know, Palantir is seeing revenues grow tremendously, but even that pace of growth is slowing, and that is a huge risk. If you believe in the tech (we do) you can add selectively to a well-rounded portfolio to improve cost basis, and put faith in management that it can deliver on growing the business profitably without diluting shareholders into oblivion, but it may take years to get a return. It is just easier to make 5,6,7, even 10% on this name by trading over and over. Investing requires patience and belief that things will improve. Right now, this is a tall order for this company and management. There is no, or very little faith.While operationally the company is growing sufficiently, management has some credibility issues. What one has to do is determine if what the company offers will solve enough headaches for customers that eventually the growing sales turn into sustained and growing profits. However, the most recent quarter was also \"trash,\" as we say.Headline earnings figures mixedIn the just-reported quarter, performance was pretty mixed on the top and bottom lines with revenue just a touch ahead of consensus estimates, and earnings missing horribly. Total revenue grew 25.9% year-over-year to $473.0 million, beating estimates by just over $1 million. However, its profitability was lower than expected by $0.04, and worse, guidance was far less than consensus. That crushed the stock's momentum that it had going for it. Now revenues are only growing in the 20% range, versus 30+. Ouch. Further, most expected the company to make a tiny profit this quarter, and instead it lost money. Ouch.Palantir's Government and Commercial sectors both showing growthAs you likely are aware, Palantir has two reporting segments: both the government and commercial segments. The commercial revenue stream continues to grow rapidly, while government results seem to be slowing. There is a ton of disagreement out there on whether the somewhat shaky economy will help or hurt, but we think it definitely slows both sectors, especially government.Deceleration of revenue growth is definitely a negative for a company like this that does not enjoy high earnings. The revenues did rise 26% from last year, and the company's customer count increased to 304, up from 169 a year ago, but sequentially customer growth seems to be slowing. Palantir added 27 net new customers in the second quarter, with 19 net new commercial customers. We think it is important to note that the commercial space is doing well. The commercial revenue is expanding rapidly, increasing 132% in 2021, and here in Q2, it rose 46% year-over-year. That said, each earnings report it seems the year-over-year growth is a little less. Not great.The government business growth has just stalled. Here government revenue expanded to $263 million in revenue in Q2, rising 9% quarter-over-quarter. One positive is that health care (both in government and also commercial) has become a substantial and rapidly growing business, generating approximately $153 million in revenue in the first half of 2022, up from $42 million in the first half of 2020. Decent growth.Margins show good newsFor as much as the company seemed to have whiffed, there has been pockets of good news. Palantir is seeing very positive momentum in its margins. Positive movement in margins is important in a software company as it really highlights strengths, or weaknesses, in the way it distributes its products. Palantir is delivering here. Adjusted gross margin, (these are the margins which excludes the horrible dilutive stock-based compensation expenses) was 81%. The adjusted income from operations, excluding stock-based compensation and related employer payroll taxes, was $108 million, representing adjusted operating margin of 23% ahead of management's prior guidance of 20%.Palantir expenses are on the rise but cash flow is positive.While margins were solid, adjusted expenses are on the rise. Expenses were $365 million, up 11% sequentially. With the revenue number and higher expenses however, despite margins, led to a loss in the quarter. As mentioned adjusted earnings per share was a loss of $0.01. Some of this was that there was a $0.05 impact driven primarily by losses on securities held.The company also generated $62 million in cash from operations, and the adjusted free cash flow was $61 million. That was the seventh consecutive quarter of positive free cash flow. Over the last year Palantir generated $314 million in adjusted free cash flow. The balance sheet is anything but trash. The company still has a solid $2.4 billion in cash and cash equivalents and absolutely no debt. Now that said, the company did decide a few weeks ago to expand its revolving credit facility by adding a $450 million new incremental delayed draw term loan facility. Long story short, the company has liquidity if needed. Overall, they have an additional liquidity source up to $950 million and it remains entirely undrawn.The reason we explain that is this company is in no danger of any sort of bankruptcies. The investment might be horrible as sustained positive EPS remains elusive, but the balance sheet is nice.Palantir stock valuationWhen we look at the valuation of Palantir stock, the bottom line is the stock is expensive to own. Sure, looking at traditional price-to-earnings is futile, but if you did you would see a stock at like 170X FWD EPS. Very pricey. Perhaps the more appropriate measure is the price-to-sales ratio, but not only is this still very high, the market has basically said it is no longer willing to pay for sky high multiples here in 2022. Keep that in mind. At 10.4X sales, the stock is relatively cheaper than it has ever been, but it is still not \"cheap\" by any stretch at all. We like the cash flow metrics, though the price to cash flow is still about 70X.Guidance was more than disappointingThe biggest concern right now is not valuation, or the Q2 earnings results. Nor is it the fact that the stock has been a trash investment. The biggest issue right now is also not the never ending dilution (which stinks). It is not the broader market risk either. The largest issue is a slowdown in performance, the slowing growth of revenues, and continued reduced guidance including here in Q3. The Q3 guidance was pretty weak. For Q3 2022, the company \"expects revenue of between $474 million to $475 million\" which was way below consensus of $505 million. For the year, we are looking at nearly 5% lower revenues than expected. Ouch. For the year management guided \"revenue of $1.9 billion\" vs. consensus of $1.98 billion. Adjusted income from operations should be $341 million to $343 million.So, what is our take?We would be selling calls here on the next pop. The volatility is high here and premiums are hefty. On the next big downturn, sell puts a month or two out and out of the money. If assigned, turn right around and sell calls. Trade around the position. Palantir's growth is slowly fading, though still strong. We also think profitability is elusive. Dilution could continue so long that positive EPS becomes out of reach without future buybacks. Stick to trading the name, or buy a few shares and come back in 10 years.Take homeWe love that the company operates with no debt and has nice positive free cash flow. The company offers amazing solutions for government and businesses by using big data and using analytics to improve operations. But, investments in the stock have been trashed. Traders have won over and over again. While growth will continue, and the balance sheet is solid, we have to keep an eye on the pace of customer growth and contract values. On the next drawdown to the $8 range, we would be buyers.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":354,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":9072655601,"gmtCreate":1658028509604,"gmtModify":1676536095904,"author":{"id":"4100952204206320","authorId":"4100952204206320","name":"Torara","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":2,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"4100952204206320","authorIdStr":"4100952204206320"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"[smile] ","listText":"[smile] ","text":"[smile]","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/9072655601","repostId":"2249540083","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"2249540083","kind":"highlight","pubTimestamp":1658021139,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/2249540083?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2022-07-17 09:25","market":"uk","language":"en","title":"Tycoon Whose Bet Broke the Nickel Market Walks Away a Billionaire","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2249540083","media":"Bloomberg","summary":"SINGAPORE (BLOOMBERG) --By 2.08pm Shanghai time on March 8, it was clear that Xiang Guangda's giant ","content":"<html><head></head><body><p>SINGAPORE (BLOOMBERG) --By 2.08pm Shanghai time on March 8, it was clear that Xiang Guangda's giant bet on a fall in nickel prices was going spectacularly wrong.</p><p>Futures had just skyrocketed above US$100,000 a ton and his trade was more than US$10 billion underwater. It was threatening not only to bankrupt Mr Xiang's company, but to trigger a Lehman Brothers-like shock through the entire metals industry and possibly topple the London Metal Exchange (LME) itself.</p><p>But Mr Xiang was calm. Within hours, more than 50 bankers had arrived at his office wanting to hear how he planned to respond to the crisis. He told them simply: "I'm confident that we will overcome this."</p><p>And he did.</p><p>Four months on, the nickel price is falling, as Mr Xiang had predicted. The coterie of banks led by JPMorgan Chase & Co that were baying for his blood has been repaid. He has closed out nearly all his short position in nickel, making a loss on the trade of about US$1 billion - a manageable sum given the profits being generated elsewhere in his business empire, say people who know him.</p><p>Crucially: the man nicknamed 'Big Shot' in Chinese commodities circles is poised to walk away from the fiasco with his multibillion-dollar mining and steelmaking company, Tsingshan Holding Group, intact and even expanding.</p><p>But while Mr Xiang moves on, others are left dealing with the destruction wrought by the crisis. His miraculous escape was thanks in no small part to the actions of the LME, which controversially intervened to prevent prices from rising and then suspended trading until Mr Xiang had struck a deal with his banks.</p><p>Those on the other side of the trade, who lost billions, were furious. Months later, the LME is dealing with a raft of investigations and lawsuits, and the nickel market is still reeling.</p><p>"Nice to see that @jpmorgan and The Big Shot got out of this whole thing with only scratches," Cliff Asness, founder of AQR Capital Management, said last week in a tweet thick with sarcasm. "It's just heart warming."</p><p>This account of how Mr Xiang extricated himself from a short squeeze that rocked the global metals markets is based on numerous interviews with people who were involved, all of whom requested anonymity. Multiple attempts to seek comment from Tsingshan were unsuccessful.</p><h2>Massive short squeeze</h2><p>Mr Xiang had built up his massive short position in late 2021 and early 2022 partly as a hedge, partly as a bet that a planned jump in Tsingshan's production this year would drag down prices. But when Russia's invasion of Ukraine jolted global markets, nickel started climbing - gradually at first, before rocketing 250 per cent in an epic squeeze.</p><p>On the evening of March 8, senior bankers crowded into a room at Tsingshan's headquarters demanding answers. Others dialed in for video calls from London or Singapore. Of those present, some didn't leave until early the next morning.</p><p>More On This TopicXiang Guangda, the metals 'visionary' who brought nickel market to a standstillNickel trading halted after unprecedented 250% spike amid Russia supply fears</p><p>The crowd that night was so large because Mr Xiang's position was spread across about 10 banks and brokers - he had been a good client for many of them, including JPMorgan, for years. But after nickel started spiking on March 7, Tsingshan struggled to meet its margin calls. Now he owed each of them hundreds of millions of dollars.</p><p>The LME had eventually intervened to halt trading a couple of hours after nickel hit US$100,000. It also canceled billions of dollars of transactions, bringing the price back to US$48,078, where it closed the previous day, in what amounted to a lifeline for Mr Xiang and Tsingshan.</p><p>To reopen the market, the LME proposed a solution: Mr Xiang should strike a deal with holders of long positions to close out his trade. But a price of around US$50,000 would be more than twice the level at which he had entered his short position, and would mean accepting billions of dollars in losses.</p><p>Mr Xiang, who is in his early 60s, stood firm. From a start making frames for car doors and windows in Wenzhou, eastern China, he'd built Tsingshan into the world's largest nickel and stainless steel producer, with an empire stretching from mines in remote Indonesian islands to steel mills on China's east coast. Along the way, he'd acquired a reputation for visionary thinking and a taste for betting big.</p><p>The spike in prices and the trading freeze caused havoc for companies that use nickel, like stainless steel mills and makers of batteries for electric vehicles. Some simply stopped taking new orders. On the LME, dealers were left frantically trying to recoup missed margin calls from clients who couldn't pay, and at least one had to seek financial support from its parent company.</p><p>Yet with unprecedented chaos rippling through the industry, Mr Xiang - still facing his bankers in the early hours of March 9 - had a key advantage. They were more terrified than he was.</p><p>If he refused to pay, they would have to chase him in courts in Indonesia and China. What's more, he had executed his nickel trade through a variety of corporate entities - such as the Hong Kong branch of battery unit Ruipu Energy - and it wasn't clear the banks would even have the right to seize Tsingshan's most valuable assets.</p><p>JPMorgan, which had the biggest exposure, took the lead. The group included some international players like Standard Chartered Bank and BNP Paribas, but many were Chinese and Singaporean banks that had little experience handling a situation like this.</p><h2>Personal guarantee</h2><p>Mr Xiang told the assembled bankers he had no intention of closing the position anywhere near US$50,000. A few hours later he was delivering the same message to Matthew Chamberlain, chief executive of the LME. Tsingshan was a strong company, he said, and it had the support of the Chinese government. There would be no backing down.</p><p>Instead, he wrote a list of the assets he was willing to put up as collateral: a string of ferronickel plants in Indonesia. But for some of the bankers, that wasn't enough. They wouldn't be able to do any due diligence on the Indonesian assets for weeks or months, and even those who worked closely with Tsingshan hadn't seen the facilities for years because of the pandemic.</p><p>So Mr Xiang made a further concession that was both valuable and, in Chinese business culture, humbling: a personal guarantee. If Tsingshan didn't pay its debts, the bankers could turf him out of his home. That was what he was willing to offer. Take it or leave it.</p><p>More On This TopicMetal traders reel as nickel chaos recalls market's darkest daysLondon Metal Exchange CEO calls for more powers to intervene as nickel trading halt continues</p><p>It wasn't much of a choice. On March 14, a week after the chaos that engulfed the nickel market, Tsingshan announced a deal with its banks under which they agreed not to pursue the company for the billions it owed for a period of time. In exchange, Mr Xiang agreed a series of price levels at which he would reduce his nickel position once prices dropped below about US$30,000.</p><p>When the market reopened two days later, prices moved lower, easing the strain on Mr Xiang and the banks. A brief dip below US$30,000 allowed Tsingshan to cover about 20 per cent of its short position.</p><p>The pressure on the LME was only intensifying, however. The exchange's regulators launched reviews of its governance and oversight and many hedge funds were still furious at the LME's decision to cancel trades.Open interest across the exchange's six main metals slid to the lowest in more than a decade as traders headed for the exit.</p><p>Each month, Tsingshan and its banks reviewed their standstill agreement. After the initial dip, nickel spent long stretches in limbo with prices hovering around US$33,000.</p><p>It was a nervous time. Tsingshan still had a vast short position, meaning it and its banks could still be exposed to large losses if prices started rising again - for example, if sanctions against Russia led to an actual disruption in nickel supplies, which so far they hadn't.</p><p>Finally, in May, prices tumbled decisively below the key US$30,000 level after China's lockdowns dented metals market sentiment. Over the following weeks, Tsingshan reduced its position - which in early March had been over 150,000 tons - to just 60,000 tons.</p><p>By this point, prices were below the level at which Tsingshan had stopped being able to pay its margin calls in early March, which meant Mr Xiang no longer owed the banks any money.</p><p>By the end of June Mr Xiang had exited his position entirely with JPMorgan and several other banks, leaving him with a remaining short of less than 20,000 tons.</p><p>People familiar with the matter estimate Tsingshan's losses on the trade at around US$1 billion. Mr Xiang isn't concerned. The loss has been roughly offset by the profits of his nickel operations over the same period. The standstill agreement, which Mr Xiang extended from the initial three months, is set to expire in mid-July.</p><p>Now 'Big Shot' is moving on with his life, focusing on plans for the future at Tsingshan, which had revenues of US$56 billion last year. His ability to trade on the LME may be reduced, for now at least, but he is still able to trade on the Shanghai Futures Exchange. He has ambitions to expand, not only in Asia, but also to Africa. And Tsingshan is as powerful as ever in the nickel market: a massive increase in production from his plants in Indonesia is one of the key factors driving prices lower, much as Mr Xiang predicted.</p><p>But while Mr Xiang may be moving on, the LME is still dealing with the fallout. Regulators have pointed to the chaos in nickel as a sign of the risks lurking in commodity markets, and called for greater oversight of the entire sector. Hedge fund Elliot Investment Management and trading firm Jane Street have launched legal action against the LME, seeking nearly US$500 million.</p><p>And the nickel market is still broken, say people involved in it, with both open interest and trading volumes stuck at sharply lower levels as traders step away from using LME prices in their contracts. Jim Lennon, a veteran nickel market-watcher and managing director of Red Door Research, estimates that less than 25 per cent of global nickel output is now being sold on the basis of LME prices, down from 50 per cent before the crisis in March.</p><p>"A lot of the industry now has temporarily disengaged from the LME," he says. "The market is still functioning, but it's struggling."</p></body></html>","source":"lsy1584095487587","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Tycoon Whose Bet Broke the Nickel Market Walks Away a Billionaire</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nTycoon Whose Bet Broke the Nickel Market Walks Away a Billionaire\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2022-07-17 09:25 GMT+8 <a href=https://www.straitstimes.com/business/companies-markets/tycoon-whose-bet-broke-the-nickel-market-walks-away-a-billionaire><strong>Bloomberg</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>SINGAPORE (BLOOMBERG) --By 2.08pm Shanghai time on March 8, it was clear that Xiang Guangda's giant bet on a fall in nickel prices was going spectacularly wrong.Futures had just skyrocketed above US$...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://www.straitstimes.com/business/companies-markets/tycoon-whose-bet-broke-the-nickel-market-walks-away-a-billionaire\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"NICK.UK":"镍ETF","NIC.AU":"Nickel Industries Ltd","JJN":"镍ETN-iPath"},"source_url":"https://www.straitstimes.com/business/companies-markets/tycoon-whose-bet-broke-the-nickel-market-walks-away-a-billionaire","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"2249540083","content_text":"SINGAPORE (BLOOMBERG) --By 2.08pm Shanghai time on March 8, it was clear that Xiang Guangda's giant bet on a fall in nickel prices was going spectacularly wrong.Futures had just skyrocketed above US$100,000 a ton and his trade was more than US$10 billion underwater. It was threatening not only to bankrupt Mr Xiang's company, but to trigger a Lehman Brothers-like shock through the entire metals industry and possibly topple the London Metal Exchange (LME) itself.But Mr Xiang was calm. Within hours, more than 50 bankers had arrived at his office wanting to hear how he planned to respond to the crisis. He told them simply: \"I'm confident that we will overcome this.\"And he did.Four months on, the nickel price is falling, as Mr Xiang had predicted. The coterie of banks led by JPMorgan Chase & Co that were baying for his blood has been repaid. He has closed out nearly all his short position in nickel, making a loss on the trade of about US$1 billion - a manageable sum given the profits being generated elsewhere in his business empire, say people who know him.Crucially: the man nicknamed 'Big Shot' in Chinese commodities circles is poised to walk away from the fiasco with his multibillion-dollar mining and steelmaking company, Tsingshan Holding Group, intact and even expanding.But while Mr Xiang moves on, others are left dealing with the destruction wrought by the crisis. His miraculous escape was thanks in no small part to the actions of the LME, which controversially intervened to prevent prices from rising and then suspended trading until Mr Xiang had struck a deal with his banks.Those on the other side of the trade, who lost billions, were furious. Months later, the LME is dealing with a raft of investigations and lawsuits, and the nickel market is still reeling.\"Nice to see that @jpmorgan and The Big Shot got out of this whole thing with only scratches,\" Cliff Asness, founder of AQR Capital Management, said last week in a tweet thick with sarcasm. \"It's just heart warming.\"This account of how Mr Xiang extricated himself from a short squeeze that rocked the global metals markets is based on numerous interviews with people who were involved, all of whom requested anonymity. Multiple attempts to seek comment from Tsingshan were unsuccessful.Massive short squeezeMr Xiang had built up his massive short position in late 2021 and early 2022 partly as a hedge, partly as a bet that a planned jump in Tsingshan's production this year would drag down prices. But when Russia's invasion of Ukraine jolted global markets, nickel started climbing - gradually at first, before rocketing 250 per cent in an epic squeeze.On the evening of March 8, senior bankers crowded into a room at Tsingshan's headquarters demanding answers. Others dialed in for video calls from London or Singapore. Of those present, some didn't leave until early the next morning.More On This TopicXiang Guangda, the metals 'visionary' who brought nickel market to a standstillNickel trading halted after unprecedented 250% spike amid Russia supply fearsThe crowd that night was so large because Mr Xiang's position was spread across about 10 banks and brokers - he had been a good client for many of them, including JPMorgan, for years. But after nickel started spiking on March 7, Tsingshan struggled to meet its margin calls. Now he owed each of them hundreds of millions of dollars.The LME had eventually intervened to halt trading a couple of hours after nickel hit US$100,000. It also canceled billions of dollars of transactions, bringing the price back to US$48,078, where it closed the previous day, in what amounted to a lifeline for Mr Xiang and Tsingshan.To reopen the market, the LME proposed a solution: Mr Xiang should strike a deal with holders of long positions to close out his trade. But a price of around US$50,000 would be more than twice the level at which he had entered his short position, and would mean accepting billions of dollars in losses.Mr Xiang, who is in his early 60s, stood firm. From a start making frames for car doors and windows in Wenzhou, eastern China, he'd built Tsingshan into the world's largest nickel and stainless steel producer, with an empire stretching from mines in remote Indonesian islands to steel mills on China's east coast. Along the way, he'd acquired a reputation for visionary thinking and a taste for betting big.The spike in prices and the trading freeze caused havoc for companies that use nickel, like stainless steel mills and makers of batteries for electric vehicles. Some simply stopped taking new orders. On the LME, dealers were left frantically trying to recoup missed margin calls from clients who couldn't pay, and at least one had to seek financial support from its parent company.Yet with unprecedented chaos rippling through the industry, Mr Xiang - still facing his bankers in the early hours of March 9 - had a key advantage. They were more terrified than he was.If he refused to pay, they would have to chase him in courts in Indonesia and China. What's more, he had executed his nickel trade through a variety of corporate entities - such as the Hong Kong branch of battery unit Ruipu Energy - and it wasn't clear the banks would even have the right to seize Tsingshan's most valuable assets.JPMorgan, which had the biggest exposure, took the lead. The group included some international players like Standard Chartered Bank and BNP Paribas, but many were Chinese and Singaporean banks that had little experience handling a situation like this.Personal guaranteeMr Xiang told the assembled bankers he had no intention of closing the position anywhere near US$50,000. A few hours later he was delivering the same message to Matthew Chamberlain, chief executive of the LME. Tsingshan was a strong company, he said, and it had the support of the Chinese government. There would be no backing down.Instead, he wrote a list of the assets he was willing to put up as collateral: a string of ferronickel plants in Indonesia. But for some of the bankers, that wasn't enough. They wouldn't be able to do any due diligence on the Indonesian assets for weeks or months, and even those who worked closely with Tsingshan hadn't seen the facilities for years because of the pandemic.So Mr Xiang made a further concession that was both valuable and, in Chinese business culture, humbling: a personal guarantee. If Tsingshan didn't pay its debts, the bankers could turf him out of his home. That was what he was willing to offer. Take it or leave it.More On This TopicMetal traders reel as nickel chaos recalls market's darkest daysLondon Metal Exchange CEO calls for more powers to intervene as nickel trading halt continuesIt wasn't much of a choice. On March 14, a week after the chaos that engulfed the nickel market, Tsingshan announced a deal with its banks under which they agreed not to pursue the company for the billions it owed for a period of time. In exchange, Mr Xiang agreed a series of price levels at which he would reduce his nickel position once prices dropped below about US$30,000.When the market reopened two days later, prices moved lower, easing the strain on Mr Xiang and the banks. A brief dip below US$30,000 allowed Tsingshan to cover about 20 per cent of its short position.The pressure on the LME was only intensifying, however. The exchange's regulators launched reviews of its governance and oversight and many hedge funds were still furious at the LME's decision to cancel trades.Open interest across the exchange's six main metals slid to the lowest in more than a decade as traders headed for the exit.Each month, Tsingshan and its banks reviewed their standstill agreement. After the initial dip, nickel spent long stretches in limbo with prices hovering around US$33,000.It was a nervous time. Tsingshan still had a vast short position, meaning it and its banks could still be exposed to large losses if prices started rising again - for example, if sanctions against Russia led to an actual disruption in nickel supplies, which so far they hadn't.Finally, in May, prices tumbled decisively below the key US$30,000 level after China's lockdowns dented metals market sentiment. Over the following weeks, Tsingshan reduced its position - which in early March had been over 150,000 tons - to just 60,000 tons.By this point, prices were below the level at which Tsingshan had stopped being able to pay its margin calls in early March, which meant Mr Xiang no longer owed the banks any money.By the end of June Mr Xiang had exited his position entirely with JPMorgan and several other banks, leaving him with a remaining short of less than 20,000 tons.People familiar with the matter estimate Tsingshan's losses on the trade at around US$1 billion. Mr Xiang isn't concerned. The loss has been roughly offset by the profits of his nickel operations over the same period. The standstill agreement, which Mr Xiang extended from the initial three months, is set to expire in mid-July.Now 'Big Shot' is moving on with his life, focusing on plans for the future at Tsingshan, which had revenues of US$56 billion last year. His ability to trade on the LME may be reduced, for now at least, but he is still able to trade on the Shanghai Futures Exchange. He has ambitions to expand, not only in Asia, but also to Africa. And Tsingshan is as powerful as ever in the nickel market: a massive increase in production from his plants in Indonesia is one of the key factors driving prices lower, much as Mr Xiang predicted.But while Mr Xiang may be moving on, the LME is still dealing with the fallout. Regulators have pointed to the chaos in nickel as a sign of the risks lurking in commodity markets, and called for greater oversight of the entire sector. Hedge fund Elliot Investment Management and trading firm Jane Street have launched legal action against the LME, seeking nearly US$500 million.And the nickel market is still broken, say people involved in it, with both open interest and trading volumes stuck at sharply lower levels as traders step away from using LME prices in their contracts. Jim Lennon, a veteran nickel market-watcher and managing director of Red Door Research, estimates that less than 25 per cent of global nickel output is now being sold on the basis of LME prices, down from 50 per cent before the crisis in March.\"A lot of the industry now has temporarily disengaged from the LME,\" he says. \"The market is still functioning, but it's struggling.\"","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":433,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":9089285146,"gmtCreate":1649994463649,"gmtModify":1676534625570,"author":{"id":"4100952204206320","authorId":"4100952204206320","name":"Torara","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":2,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"4100952204206320","authorIdStr":"4100952204206320"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"Great ariticle, would you like to share it?","listText":"Great ariticle, would you like to share it?","text":"Great ariticle, would you like to share it?","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/9089285146","repostId":"9016476123","repostType":1,"repost":{"id":9016476123,"gmtCreate":1649229403658,"gmtModify":1676534474180,"author":{"id":"3527667667103859","authorId":"3527667667103859","name":"TigerEvents","avatar":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/c266ef25181ace18bec1262357bbe1a8","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"3527667667103859","authorIdStr":"3527667667103859"},"themes":[],"title":"🏆【GAME】Hunting Eggs for Extra Saving!","htmlText":"Tiger has prepared some Easter gifts for you, please <a href=\"https://www.tigerbrokers.com.sg/activity/market/2022/easter/\" target=\"_blank\">click here</a> to check them out!Easter can still be a bonus-boosting. 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