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2023-03-23

‌$ARK Innovation ETF(ARKK)$ ‌inverted H n S in the making, ALL - IN mode !!

2023-03-18

$ARK Fintech Innovation ETF(ARKF)$ inverted H n S in the making, All-in set up 🫡

2022-08-03

$ARK Fintech Innovation ETF(ARKF)$Killing MICHAEL J BURRY

2022-07-21

🧐🧐🧐

2022-06-08

‌$Alibaba(09988)$‌uncle Charlie M is shitting on his pant watching BABA hahahah

2022-05-25

cash is TRAASH becos its not his money, stock is TRASH he shouldnt be in FM job.the old man is definetely idiotic people should withdraw from his FUND

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2022-05-17

‌$Alibaba(09988)$‌charlie munger is great but he doenst hav time for BABA to rebound besides his money in BABA only few million, how about the BUYBACK 25 Bio, never compare ants with elephants

2022-04-14

$Alibaba(09988)$absolutely, how low can it go ? Cheapest can be seen from price to sales lowest compare to peers from US

2022-04-14

somehow its true, cant rely on grandpa charlie, hes too old to understand the world, and he doesnt have time to wait haha

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2022-04-01

all china ETF to the mooonnnnnn!! all time hight 2023here we go

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However, the government is prepared to accept that some state-owned enterprises and private companies that hold sensitive data will be delisted, they said.</p><p>The framework is expected to provide clarity on what data may trigger national security concerns, said the people. Regulators are debating whether companies that deal with consumer information, such as Alibaba Group Holding Ltd, would automatically fall into that category, one of the people said, adding that processing large volumes of such information wouldn’t necessarily make a firm a security concern.</p><p>If the plan proceeds, it would mark an unusual reversal by Beijing, potentially ending a decades-long dispute that escalated when the U.S. mandated a 2024 deadline for kicking non-compliant businesses off the New York Stock Exchange and Nasdaq. The compromise would also show China’s willingness to balance national security concerns with the needs of investors and businesses at a time when its economy faces numerous challenges.</p><p>Details are still under discussion and may change, said the people, adding that it also needs sign-off from the top leadership. Chinese regulators hope to reach an agreement with the U.S. around summer, one of the people said.</p><p></p></body></html>","source":"lsy1584095487587","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>China Weighs Giving U.S. Full Access to Audits of Most Firms</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nChina Weighs Giving U.S. Full Access to Audits of Most Firms\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2022-04-01 18:17 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://news.bloombergtax.com/financial-accounting/china-weighs-giving-u-s-full-access-to-audits-of-most-firms><strong>Bloomberg</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>(Bloomberg) --Chinese authorities are preparing to give U.S. regulators full access to auditing reports of the majority of the 200-plus companies listed in New York as soon as mid-this year, making a ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://news.bloombergtax.com/financial-accounting/china-weighs-giving-u-s-full-access-to-audits-of-most-firms\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"BABA":"阿里巴巴","JD":"京东"},"source_url":"https://news.bloombergtax.com/financial-accounting/china-weighs-giving-u-s-full-access-to-audits-of-most-firms","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1148563015","content_text":"(Bloomberg) --Chinese authorities are preparing to give U.S. regulators full access to auditing reports of the majority of the 200-plus companies listed in New York as soon as mid-this year, making a rare concession to prevent a further decoupling between the world’s two largest economies.The China Securities Regulatory Commission and other national regulators are in the process of drafting a framework that will allow most Chinese firms to keep their listings, people familiar with the process said, asking not to be named discussing a private matter. However, the government is prepared to accept that some state-owned enterprises and private companies that hold sensitive data will be delisted, they said.The framework is expected to provide clarity on what data may trigger national security concerns, said the people. Regulators are debating whether companies that deal with consumer information, such as Alibaba Group Holding Ltd, would automatically fall into that category, one of the people said, adding that processing large volumes of such information wouldn’t necessarily make a firm a security concern.If the plan proceeds, it would mark an unusual reversal by Beijing, potentially ending a decades-long dispute that escalated when the U.S. mandated a 2024 deadline for kicking non-compliant businesses off the New York Stock Exchange and Nasdaq. The compromise would also show China’s willingness to balance national security concerns with the needs of investors and businesses at a time when its economy faces numerous challenges.Details are still under discussion and may change, said the people, adding that it also needs sign-off from the top leadership. Chinese regulators hope to reach an agreement with the U.S. around summer, one of the people said.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":416,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":9943383022,"gmtCreate":1679127380666,"gmtModify":1679127383855,"author":{"id":"4111540707028502","authorId":"4111540707028502","name":"Putu Roy","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":2,"crmLevelSwitch":1,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"4111540707028502","authorIdStr":"4111540707028502"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"<a href=\"https://ttm.financial/S/ARKF\">$ARK Fintech Innovation ETF(ARKF)$ &nbsp;</a>inverted H n S in the making, All-in set up 🫡","listText":"<a href=\"https://ttm.financial/S/ARKF\">$ARK Fintech Innovation ETF(ARKF)$ &nbsp;</a>inverted H n S in the making, All-in set up 🫡","text":"$ARK Fintech Innovation ETF(ARKF)$ inverted H n S in the making, All-in set up 🫡","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":2,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/9943383022","isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":487,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":9080415894,"gmtCreate":1649905074877,"gmtModify":1676534604025,"author":{"id":"4111540707028502","authorId":"4111540707028502","name":"Putu Roy","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":2,"crmLevelSwitch":1,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"4111540707028502","authorIdStr":"4111540707028502"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"somehow its true, cant rely on grandpa charlie, hes too old to understand the world, and he doesnt have time to wait haha","listText":"somehow its true, cant rely on grandpa charlie, hes too old to understand the world, and he doesnt have time to wait haha","text":"somehow its true, cant rely on grandpa charlie, hes too old to understand the world, and he doesnt have time to wait haha","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":2,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/9080415894","repostId":"2227610161","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"2227610161","kind":"news","pubTimestamp":1649904118,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/2227610161?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2022-04-14 10:41","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Alibaba Group: Unjustifiably Cheap","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2227610161","media":"seekingalpha","summary":"Investment thesisAlibaba Group Holding Limited (NYSE:BABA) (OTCPK:BABAF) stock price has largely bee","content":"<html><head></head><body><h2>Investment thesis</h2><p>Alibaba Group Holding Limited (NYSE:BABA) (OTCPK:BABAF) stock price has largely been news-driven and fear-driven in the past year or so. It has faced quite a few uncertainties: fines, anti-trust regulations, and so on.</p><p>Under the above background, you will see that the thesis here is really simple - the stock price has become disconnected from the business fundamentals. The stock has actually become unjustifiable cheap now according to the so-call Buffett’s 10x pretax rule. As to be detailed later, if you pay 10x pretax and bought a business that stagnates forever, you would have bought a 10% yielding bond and enjoys a 10% annualized return. And if you get a business that offers ANY growth, you will have a large chance of a double-digit return compounding for a long time.</p><p>In BABA’s case:</p><ul><li>It is currently for sale at around 7x pretax earnings when adjusted for its cash positions, and it will not stagnate forever. To the contrary, BABA stands best poised to benefit from our world’s e-commerce movement, particularly in the Asian-Pacific region, the center of the movement.</li><li>The downside is further protected by Beijing’s vows to stabilize the market and its $25B repurchase program. When Beijing announced its support pledges on Mar 16 to stabilize the market and stimulate the economy, BABA stock price rallied by almost 37% during that single day on large trading volume. Also, it just upsized the repurchase program to $25B from $15B, almost 8% of its current market cap. Such a sizable repurchase, at its current undervaluation, will be very effective and accreditive to boosting shareholder returns.</li><li>In the longer term, BABA is well poised to benefit from the world’s unstoppable shift to e-commerce. And the center of the upcoming shift will be centered in the Asia-Pacific region, where BABA is well-poised to benefit.</li></ul><p>Before we dive in, let me also make two quick clarifications:</p><ul><li>All the subsequent analyses are made based on a per ADR basis, and there are 8 ordinary shares in each BABA ADR.</li><li>All the financial data used in the rest of this article are either taken from the most recent <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/VALU\">Value Line</a> reports or from Seeking Alpha.</li></ul><h2>Buffett&#39;s 10x Pretax Rule</h2><p>If you&#39;re a devout Buffett cultist like this author, you must have noticed or heard that the grandmaster paid ~10x pretax earnings for many of his largest and best deals. The list is a really long <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/AONE.U\">one</a>, ranging from Coca-Cola (KO), American Express (AXP), Wells Fargo (WFC), Walmart (WFC), Burlington Northern, and of course the more recent AAPL purchase.</p><p>As detailed in my other earlier writings, it is not a coincidence that most of his best and largest investment success is from buying businesses at 10x pretax earnings, because:</p><blockquote><ul><li><i>Buying an average business that stagnates forever at 10x pretax would already provide a 10% pretax earnings yield, directly comparable to a 10% yield bond.</i></li><li><i>In case you get to buy an above-average business (like BABA here) at 10x pretax, then any growth would be a bonus on top of the 10% yield above, leading to a double-digit return.</i></li></ul></blockquote><p>As seen from the chart below, the market now presents BABA as such an opportunity. The following chart shows the price history of BABA and its 10x pretax earnings plus its cash position (since it has a sizable cash position). Pretax earnings are also referred to as &#34;EBT,&#34; Earnings Before Taxes, in this article.</p><p>As seen, for a business like BABA, the price should be high above 10x EBT, as it has been in the past. But during the recent market overaction, the price now is actually close to the 7x EBT as seen (again correctly for cash)!</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/1bfc77bfc14d10e64ed3130dae7ce72c\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"346\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/></p><p>Source: author based on Seeking Alpha data</p><p>So, in this case, even if BABA stagnates forever, by paying 7x pretax, the investment would already provide a 14% pretax earnings yield, directly comparable to a 14% yield bond. And to be seen next, BABA has an excellent prospect to grow also.</p><p>As also detailed in my earlier writings, a strong warning is in order here:</p><blockquote><ul><li><i>I am NOT suggesting you go out and start buying every/any stock that is below 10x EBT. As investors, we face many risks. <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/TWOA.U\">Two</a> of the major risks are A) quality risk or value trap, i.e., paying a bargain price for something of horrible quality, and B) valuation risk, i.e., paying too much for something of superb quality. The 10x pretax rule is mainly to avoid the type B risk AFTER the type A risk has been eliminated already.</i></li><li><i>Then how do we eliminate type A risks? I look for three things primarily. First, the business should have not an existential issue in the long run. However, in the end, this is largely a subjective judgment. Second, the business should have no existential issue in the short run either. This can be quite reliably and objectively evaluated based on the cash flow and debt coverage. And finally, the business should have a decent chance to grow its earnings in the long term (and estimate the so-call perpetual growth rate). This will be a plus. </i></li></ul></blockquote><p>So with this framework, let’s examine BABA more closely.</p><h2>BABA: does it have any existential issue?</h2><p>I really do not see any existential issue for BABA either in the short run or the long run. I will just be brief and go through my thought process here and then move on to focus on the growth perspective.</p><p>Existential issues, in the long run, are largely subjective judgments. If some of us even entertain the possibility that BABA would have trouble surviving, the root of our concern is probably the Chinese government. My judgment is that the Chinese government will not only not let BABA fall, but will also work with BABA to make sure it continues to prosper. I have traveled extensively in China and read extensively about its recent history. The current regulatory shock waves are nothing new historically. They&#39;ve happened before (even at a larger scale and with stronger intensity) and will happen again most likely. As for BABA, it&#39;s reached a status of too big to fail, and also at the same time, too good to fail. It is in the Chinese government&#39;s best interest to keep it alive and thrive - which leads me to the next point.</p><p>And I interpret the following recent developments as supporting evidence to my above view:</p><ul><li>I view the announcement back in Sept 2021, that BABA will invest RMB100 billion (about $15.5B) in the Chinese Common Prosperity fund as a key positive step. To me, this announcement shows convincingly that a path forward is being worked out for BABA - and it is a peaceful path that is nothing like what the market has feared.</li><li>Then, in 2021, Charlie Munger doubled his position twice, which also seems to support my above view. With Munger&#39;s long track record as a disciplined and long-term investor, he must have no doubt at all about the long-term staying power of BABA.</li><li>Finally, more recently, on March 16 this year, Beijing announced its support pledges to stabilize the market and stimulate the economy. BABA stock price rallied by almost 37% during that single day on large trading volumes. Furthermore, the progress made by the Chinese and U.S. on their audit dispute provides another potential catalyst. To me, it is a no brainer that both sides recognize effective and sustainable cooperation is in the best interests of the capital markets of both countries and also global investors.</li></ul><p>Short-term existential issues are a lot easier. This can be quite reliably and objectively evaluated based on the cash flow and debt coverage. And BABA certainly does not have any of these issues at all.</p><p>Just take a look at the following snapshot of its capital allocations in the recent year. The picture is really simple here: BABA earns a load of cash organically from its operations – even considering its fines, commitment to the common prosperity fund, and potential tax rate raises. And it does not need to spend much. Just take a look at its finances in recent years. It generates more than $30B of operating income per year in recent years. BABA is effective debt-free (its debt interest expenses are merely $0.5B).</p><p>BABA does not pay a dividend. And its CapEx is only about $6.4B, about 20% of its operating income. When we expand our horizon a bit wider and examine its capital allocation over the past a few years, the picture does not change that much, as shown in the next chart.</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/4a637c746ef348d145d928b0e224e6d5\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"265\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/></p><p>Source: author and Seeking Alpha.</p><h2>BABA: what is its growth potential?</h2><p>It is an unstopped trend that our world is moving toward e-commerce. Even though many of us are already impressed by the success of e-commerce giants like BABA and Amazon, the movement toward e-commerce has just actually gotten started and the bulk of the growth is yet to come.</p><p>As you can see from the following chart, the global e-commerce penetration has been in steady and rapid increase. The e-commerce penetration has almost doubled from its 10.5% level in 2016 to the current level of 20.2% in merely 4 years, a CAGR of nearly 19%.</p><p>However, the current e-commerce rate is still ONLY at about 20%. Meaning 80% of the commerce is still currently conducted off-line. Global retail e-commerce sales have reached $4.2 trillion in 2020. And they are projected to almost double by 2026, reaching $7.4 trillion of revenues to the retail e-commerce business. The e-commerce movement is just getting started and the bulk of the growth opportunity is yet to come.</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/e271c687c95ab08e5cf7556e5b89eff6\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"498\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/></p><p>Source: Digital Commerce 360</p><p>And the center of the remaining movement will be in the Asia-Pacific region, where BABA is well-poised to benefit. In a nutshell, even by as early as 2023 – in about 2 years time, that is - retail e-commerce sales in Asia-Pacific are projected to be greater than the rest of the world combined.</p><p>As shown in the next chart below, the total retail e-commerce in the Asia-Pacific region should reach $1.4 trillion US dollars by 2023. In contrast, the total retail e-commerce by the rest of the world would be about $1.3 trillion only. In relative terms, by 2023, the Western continents will contribute 16% of the total B2B e-commerce volume, while the remaining 84% would come from the non-Western world.</p><p>The secular trends driving such distribution include: (1) the dominant portion of the world population residing in the Asia-Pacific regions; (2) the rapid urbanization and technological advancements in those regions; (3) more than 85% of new middle-class growth residing in the Asian-Pacific region; and (4) lastly, the incentive from the government and also the initiatives from the private sector (such as in China and Indian) to accelerate the transition to e-commerce.</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/1486d07c6db80e8162346142a6238b00\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"564\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/></p><p>Source: Shopify.</p><h2>A reality check shows asymmetric return/risk profiles</h2><p>Finally, what I always like to do is a reality check as shown in the chart below. It is essentially a back of the envelope calculation to estimate what is the growth rate and valuation required to deliver a target ROI over the next few years, say, 5 or 10 years. And see if such growth rate and valuation can pass a common-sense test.</p><p>As an example to provide a tutorial to read this chart, if we require a 10% annual ROI, represented by the black horizontal line (10% annual return translates to 160% total return in 10 years because 1.1^10=260%), the growth rate will have to be about exactly 10% if the valuation ratio does not change from its current level (i.e., 7x EBT) – something we all know already. And if the valuation contracts to 5x EBT as shown by the green line, the growth rate would have to be about 13.5% to deliver the required 10% ROI.</p><p>With the above background, we can see that the current valuation easily passes the reality check. In particular, investment here enjoys a large margin of safety from several factors:</p><p>1. A large gap between market perception and fundamentals. As seen, under the current valuation, we are very likely to enjoy double-digit returns even if growth is not double-digit. To put things into perspective, BABA&#39;s recent “slowed” growth rate is still 20%+. And the secular trend can easily support a double-digit e-commerce growth in the next decade.</p><p>2. A very compressed valuation. If you pay 10x pretax and bought a business that stagnates forever, you would have bought a 10% yielding bond already. At BABA’s current 7x pretax valuation, even when growth slows all the way to 6% AND valuation further contracts (say to 5x EBT, the lowest point historically), the investment still won’t lose money.</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/a9a236fffc1bad448c896bef258eff2e\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"366\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/></p><p>Source: author.</p><h2>Risks</h2><p>First, there&#39;s always the risk that the Chinese government could confiscate foreign investments in BABA if they decide those investments under the VIE structure are illegal. This is very unlikely to me for so many reasons. </p><p>Second, the ongoing Chinese-U.S. negotiations on the audit disputes still face uncertain outcomes. I am optimistic that eventually an agreement will be reached; however, the path may be long and tortuous. However, in case it fails, there is a chance that BABA could be delisted from the US stock market. Delisting Chinese stocks has just happened recently (the DIDI case, for example). Although, even if BABA stock indeed ended up delisted, that would not necessarily lead to a total loss of capital (again, see the DIDI case as an example).</p><h2>Conclusion and final thoughts</h2><p>The recent market overreaction presents an opportunity to buy a great company that is having temporary trouble while it is still on the operating table – as Buffett and Munger have done so masterfully in the past. The thesis of this article is, therefore, really simple – companies like BABA should never be priced below 10x EBT as it is now.</p><p>The current pricing is such that BABA is valued significantly below 10x pretax earnings. And as a result,</p><ul><li>Even buying an average business that stagnates forever at such a valuation would already provide a doubt-digit return.</li><li>Yet, BABA is anything but an average business that will stagnate forever. BABA stands best poised to benefit from the world’s movement towards e-commerce and especially the Asian-Pacific momentum. To put things into perspective, BABA&#39;s recent “slowed” growth rate is still 20%+ YoY. And the global secular trend, especially in the Asian Pacific region, can easily support a double-digit e-commerce growth in the next decade.</li><li>The margin of safety is so thick here that even when growth slows all the way to 6% AND valuation further contracts to 5x EBT (the lowest level historically), the investment would still make a small profit and won’t lose money.</li></ul></body></html>","source":"seekingalpha","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Alibaba Group: Unjustifiably Cheap</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nAlibaba Group: Unjustifiably Cheap\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2022-04-14 10:41 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://seekingalpha.com/article/4501278-alibaba-group-unjustifiably-cheap><strong>seekingalpha</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>Investment thesisAlibaba Group Holding Limited (NYSE:BABA) (OTCPK:BABAF) stock price has largely been news-driven and fear-driven in the past year or so. It has faced quite a few uncertainties: fines,...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4501278-alibaba-group-unjustifiably-cheap\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"BABA":"阿里巴巴","BK4554":"元宇宙及AR概念","BK4532":"文艺复兴科技持仓","BABAF":"Alibaba Group Holding Limited","BK4177":"软饮料","BK4531":"中概回港概念","BK4534":"瑞士信贷持仓","BK4533":"AQR资本管理(全球第二大对冲基金)","AXP":"美国运通","BK4575":"芯片概念","BK4558":"双十一","BK4524":"宅经济概念","BK4535":"淡马锡持仓","BK4559":"巴菲特持仓","BK4527":"明星科技股","BK4166":"消费信贷","BK4538":"云计算","BK4501":"段永平概念","BK4579":"人工智能","BK4526":"热门中概股","WFC":"富国银行","BK4122":"互联网与直销零售","BK4503":"景林资产持仓","BK4207":"综合性银行","BK4502":"阿里概念","QNETCN":"纳斯达克中美互联网老虎指数","BK4505":"高瓴资本持仓","BK4581":"高盛持仓","BK4504":"桥水持仓","KO":"可口可乐","09988":"阿里巴巴-W","BK4548":"巴美列捷福持仓","BK4565":"NFT概念"},"source_url":"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4501278-alibaba-group-unjustifiably-cheap","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/5a36db9d73b4222bc376d24ccc48c8a4","article_id":"2227610161","content_text":"Investment thesisAlibaba Group Holding Limited (NYSE:BABA) (OTCPK:BABAF) stock price has largely been news-driven and fear-driven in the past year or so. It has faced quite a few uncertainties: fines, anti-trust regulations, and so on.Under the above background, you will see that the thesis here is really simple - the stock price has become disconnected from the business fundamentals. The stock has actually become unjustifiable cheap now according to the so-call Buffett’s 10x pretax rule. As to be detailed later, if you pay 10x pretax and bought a business that stagnates forever, you would have bought a 10% yielding bond and enjoys a 10% annualized return. And if you get a business that offers ANY growth, you will have a large chance of a double-digit return compounding for a long time.In BABA’s case:It is currently for sale at around 7x pretax earnings when adjusted for its cash positions, and it will not stagnate forever. To the contrary, BABA stands best poised to benefit from our world’s e-commerce movement, particularly in the Asian-Pacific region, the center of the movement.The downside is further protected by Beijing’s vows to stabilize the market and its $25B repurchase program. When Beijing announced its support pledges on Mar 16 to stabilize the market and stimulate the economy, BABA stock price rallied by almost 37% during that single day on large trading volume. Also, it just upsized the repurchase program to $25B from $15B, almost 8% of its current market cap. Such a sizable repurchase, at its current undervaluation, will be very effective and accreditive to boosting shareholder returns.In the longer term, BABA is well poised to benefit from the world’s unstoppable shift to e-commerce. And the center of the upcoming shift will be centered in the Asia-Pacific region, where BABA is well-poised to benefit.Before we dive in, let me also make two quick clarifications:All the subsequent analyses are made based on a per ADR basis, and there are 8 ordinary shares in each BABA ADR.All the financial data used in the rest of this article are either taken from the most recent Value Line reports or from Seeking Alpha.Buffett's 10x Pretax RuleIf you're a devout Buffett cultist like this author, you must have noticed or heard that the grandmaster paid ~10x pretax earnings for many of his largest and best deals. The list is a really long one, ranging from Coca-Cola (KO), American Express (AXP), Wells Fargo (WFC), Walmart (WFC), Burlington Northern, and of course the more recent AAPL purchase.As detailed in my other earlier writings, it is not a coincidence that most of his best and largest investment success is from buying businesses at 10x pretax earnings, because:Buying an average business that stagnates forever at 10x pretax would already provide a 10% pretax earnings yield, directly comparable to a 10% yield bond.In case you get to buy an above-average business (like BABA here) at 10x pretax, then any growth would be a bonus on top of the 10% yield above, leading to a double-digit return.As seen from the chart below, the market now presents BABA as such an opportunity. The following chart shows the price history of BABA and its 10x pretax earnings plus its cash position (since it has a sizable cash position). Pretax earnings are also referred to as \"EBT,\" Earnings Before Taxes, in this article.As seen, for a business like BABA, the price should be high above 10x EBT, as it has been in the past. But during the recent market overaction, the price now is actually close to the 7x EBT as seen (again correctly for cash)!Source: author based on Seeking Alpha dataSo, in this case, even if BABA stagnates forever, by paying 7x pretax, the investment would already provide a 14% pretax earnings yield, directly comparable to a 14% yield bond. And to be seen next, BABA has an excellent prospect to grow also.As also detailed in my earlier writings, a strong warning is in order here:I am NOT suggesting you go out and start buying every/any stock that is below 10x EBT. As investors, we face many risks. Two of the major risks are A) quality risk or value trap, i.e., paying a bargain price for something of horrible quality, and B) valuation risk, i.e., paying too much for something of superb quality. The 10x pretax rule is mainly to avoid the type B risk AFTER the type A risk has been eliminated already.Then how do we eliminate type A risks? I look for three things primarily. First, the business should have not an existential issue in the long run. However, in the end, this is largely a subjective judgment. Second, the business should have no existential issue in the short run either. This can be quite reliably and objectively evaluated based on the cash flow and debt coverage. And finally, the business should have a decent chance to grow its earnings in the long term (and estimate the so-call perpetual growth rate). This will be a plus. So with this framework, let’s examine BABA more closely.BABA: does it have any existential issue?I really do not see any existential issue for BABA either in the short run or the long run. I will just be brief and go through my thought process here and then move on to focus on the growth perspective.Existential issues, in the long run, are largely subjective judgments. If some of us even entertain the possibility that BABA would have trouble surviving, the root of our concern is probably the Chinese government. My judgment is that the Chinese government will not only not let BABA fall, but will also work with BABA to make sure it continues to prosper. I have traveled extensively in China and read extensively about its recent history. The current regulatory shock waves are nothing new historically. They've happened before (even at a larger scale and with stronger intensity) and will happen again most likely. As for BABA, it's reached a status of too big to fail, and also at the same time, too good to fail. It is in the Chinese government's best interest to keep it alive and thrive - which leads me to the next point.And I interpret the following recent developments as supporting evidence to my above view:I view the announcement back in Sept 2021, that BABA will invest RMB100 billion (about $15.5B) in the Chinese Common Prosperity fund as a key positive step. To me, this announcement shows convincingly that a path forward is being worked out for BABA - and it is a peaceful path that is nothing like what the market has feared.Then, in 2021, Charlie Munger doubled his position twice, which also seems to support my above view. With Munger's long track record as a disciplined and long-term investor, he must have no doubt at all about the long-term staying power of BABA.Finally, more recently, on March 16 this year, Beijing announced its support pledges to stabilize the market and stimulate the economy. BABA stock price rallied by almost 37% during that single day on large trading volumes. Furthermore, the progress made by the Chinese and U.S. on their audit dispute provides another potential catalyst. To me, it is a no brainer that both sides recognize effective and sustainable cooperation is in the best interests of the capital markets of both countries and also global investors.Short-term existential issues are a lot easier. This can be quite reliably and objectively evaluated based on the cash flow and debt coverage. And BABA certainly does not have any of these issues at all.Just take a look at the following snapshot of its capital allocations in the recent year. The picture is really simple here: BABA earns a load of cash organically from its operations – even considering its fines, commitment to the common prosperity fund, and potential tax rate raises. And it does not need to spend much. Just take a look at its finances in recent years. It generates more than $30B of operating income per year in recent years. BABA is effective debt-free (its debt interest expenses are merely $0.5B).BABA does not pay a dividend. And its CapEx is only about $6.4B, about 20% of its operating income. When we expand our horizon a bit wider and examine its capital allocation over the past a few years, the picture does not change that much, as shown in the next chart.Source: author and Seeking Alpha.BABA: what is its growth potential?It is an unstopped trend that our world is moving toward e-commerce. Even though many of us are already impressed by the success of e-commerce giants like BABA and Amazon, the movement toward e-commerce has just actually gotten started and the bulk of the growth is yet to come.As you can see from the following chart, the global e-commerce penetration has been in steady and rapid increase. The e-commerce penetration has almost doubled from its 10.5% level in 2016 to the current level of 20.2% in merely 4 years, a CAGR of nearly 19%.However, the current e-commerce rate is still ONLY at about 20%. Meaning 80% of the commerce is still currently conducted off-line. Global retail e-commerce sales have reached $4.2 trillion in 2020. And they are projected to almost double by 2026, reaching $7.4 trillion of revenues to the retail e-commerce business. The e-commerce movement is just getting started and the bulk of the growth opportunity is yet to come.Source: Digital Commerce 360And the center of the remaining movement will be in the Asia-Pacific region, where BABA is well-poised to benefit. In a nutshell, even by as early as 2023 – in about 2 years time, that is - retail e-commerce sales in Asia-Pacific are projected to be greater than the rest of the world combined.As shown in the next chart below, the total retail e-commerce in the Asia-Pacific region should reach $1.4 trillion US dollars by 2023. In contrast, the total retail e-commerce by the rest of the world would be about $1.3 trillion only. In relative terms, by 2023, the Western continents will contribute 16% of the total B2B e-commerce volume, while the remaining 84% would come from the non-Western world.The secular trends driving such distribution include: (1) the dominant portion of the world population residing in the Asia-Pacific regions; (2) the rapid urbanization and technological advancements in those regions; (3) more than 85% of new middle-class growth residing in the Asian-Pacific region; and (4) lastly, the incentive from the government and also the initiatives from the private sector (such as in China and Indian) to accelerate the transition to e-commerce.Source: Shopify.A reality check shows asymmetric return/risk profilesFinally, what I always like to do is a reality check as shown in the chart below. It is essentially a back of the envelope calculation to estimate what is the growth rate and valuation required to deliver a target ROI over the next few years, say, 5 or 10 years. And see if such growth rate and valuation can pass a common-sense test.As an example to provide a tutorial to read this chart, if we require a 10% annual ROI, represented by the black horizontal line (10% annual return translates to 160% total return in 10 years because 1.1^10=260%), the growth rate will have to be about exactly 10% if the valuation ratio does not change from its current level (i.e., 7x EBT) – something we all know already. And if the valuation contracts to 5x EBT as shown by the green line, the growth rate would have to be about 13.5% to deliver the required 10% ROI.With the above background, we can see that the current valuation easily passes the reality check. In particular, investment here enjoys a large margin of safety from several factors:1. A large gap between market perception and fundamentals. As seen, under the current valuation, we are very likely to enjoy double-digit returns even if growth is not double-digit. To put things into perspective, BABA's recent “slowed” growth rate is still 20%+. And the secular trend can easily support a double-digit e-commerce growth in the next decade.2. A very compressed valuation. If you pay 10x pretax and bought a business that stagnates forever, you would have bought a 10% yielding bond already. At BABA’s current 7x pretax valuation, even when growth slows all the way to 6% AND valuation further contracts (say to 5x EBT, the lowest point historically), the investment still won’t lose money.Source: author.RisksFirst, there's always the risk that the Chinese government could confiscate foreign investments in BABA if they decide those investments under the VIE structure are illegal. This is very unlikely to me for so many reasons. Second, the ongoing Chinese-U.S. negotiations on the audit disputes still face uncertain outcomes. I am optimistic that eventually an agreement will be reached; however, the path may be long and tortuous. However, in case it fails, there is a chance that BABA could be delisted from the US stock market. Delisting Chinese stocks has just happened recently (the DIDI case, for example). Although, even if BABA stock indeed ended up delisted, that would not necessarily lead to a total loss of capital (again, see the DIDI case as an example).Conclusion and final thoughtsThe recent market overreaction presents an opportunity to buy a great company that is having temporary trouble while it is still on the operating table – as Buffett and Munger have done so masterfully in the past. The thesis of this article is, therefore, really simple – companies like BABA should never be priced below 10x EBT as it is now.The current pricing is such that BABA is valued significantly below 10x pretax earnings. And as a result,Even buying an average business that stagnates forever at such a valuation would already provide a doubt-digit return.Yet, BABA is anything but an average business that will stagnate forever. BABA stands best poised to benefit from the world’s movement towards e-commerce and especially the Asian-Pacific momentum. To put things into perspective, BABA's recent “slowed” growth rate is still 20%+ YoY. 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And fortunately for those who are trying to decode his musings, his outlook hasn&#39;t actually changed all that much since the start of the pandemic.</p><p>Toward the beginning of Tuesday&#39;s interview, CNBC&#39;s Andrew Ross Sorkin cut to the chase and asked Dalio directly: is cash still &#34;trash&#34;? Dalio has been criticizing investors who opted to keep their powder dry for years now, repeating his mantra even as markets cratered during the spring of 2020.</p><p>And now?</p><p>&#34;Of course cash is still trash,&#34; Dalio replied. &#34;Do you know how fast you&#39;re losing buying power in cash?&#34;</p><p>Unfortunately, this doesn&#39;t mean that investors will be much better off keeping their money in stocks or bonds, because &#34;equities are trashier&#34;.</p><p>During a time when inflation is weighing heavily on real returns, Dalio said investors would be better off with &#39;real&#39; assets like real estate -- a position that was reflected yesterday in a piece by Guggenheim&#39;s Scott Minerd, who said he expects real estate and art to outperform stocks over the next five years.</p><p>After a decade of blockbuster equity returns, Dalio explained that the problem is too many investors are crowded into stocks. And while the past few months have been characterized by relentless selling, there&#39;s still plenty of froth that needs to be taken out of the market before an equilibrium can be achieved.</p><p>&#34;Here&#39;s the dynamic that I think is a problem: everybody is long equities, and everybody wants everything to go up.&#34;</p><p>&#34;The more they hype it the more it becomes somebody else&#39;s financial asset they&#39;re holding. You can&#39;t have that, so you&#39;re going to have an environment of negative real returns. Everything can&#39;t go up all the time, that system won&#39;t work that way,&#34; Dalio explained.</p><p>As the U.S. economy overheats and Americans struggle with the worst inflation in forty years and as inflation has become a global phenomenon, is it possible for the Federal Reserve to achieve its hoped-for &#39;soft landing&#39; for the economy?</p><p>Dalio doesn&#39;t think so.</p><p>Can the Fed reduce demand without breaking the back of the economy? Sorkin asked. &#34;The answer is no,&#34; Dalio replied.</p></body></html>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Ray Dalio Says \"Cash Is Still Trash\", but Stocks Are Trashier</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nRay Dalio Says \"Cash Is Still Trash\", but Stocks Are Trashier\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n<div class=\"head\" \">\n\n\n<div class=\"h-thumb\" style=\"background-image:url(https://static.tigerbbs.com/150f88aa4d182df19190059f4a365e99);background-size:cover;\"></div>\n\n<div class=\"h-content\">\n<p class=\"h-name\">Dow Jones </p>\n<p class=\"h-time\">2022-05-25 08:10</p>\n</div>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<html><head></head><body><p>It wouldn&#39;t be Davos week without a CNBC exclusive interview with Bridgewater Associates&#39; Ray Dalio, the founder of the world&#39;s largest hedge fund by assets under management and one of the most closely followed market commentators -- at least, in the US.</p><p>Dalio has become well known in recent years for explaining his long-term thesis about the US economy and assets in a series of lengthy LinkedIn articles which he has also compiled into book form. And fortunately for those who are trying to decode his musings, his outlook hasn&#39;t actually changed all that much since the start of the pandemic.</p><p>Toward the beginning of Tuesday&#39;s interview, CNBC&#39;s Andrew Ross Sorkin cut to the chase and asked Dalio directly: is cash still &#34;trash&#34;? Dalio has been criticizing investors who opted to keep their powder dry for years now, repeating his mantra even as markets cratered during the spring of 2020.</p><p>And now?</p><p>&#34;Of course cash is still trash,&#34; Dalio replied. &#34;Do you know how fast you&#39;re losing buying power in cash?&#34;</p><p>Unfortunately, this doesn&#39;t mean that investors will be much better off keeping their money in stocks or bonds, because &#34;equities are trashier&#34;.</p><p>During a time when inflation is weighing heavily on real returns, Dalio said investors would be better off with &#39;real&#39; assets like real estate -- a position that was reflected yesterday in a piece by Guggenheim&#39;s Scott Minerd, who said he expects real estate and art to outperform stocks over the next five years.</p><p>After a decade of blockbuster equity returns, Dalio explained that the problem is too many investors are crowded into stocks. And while the past few months have been characterized by relentless selling, there&#39;s still plenty of froth that needs to be taken out of the market before an equilibrium can be achieved.</p><p>&#34;Here&#39;s the dynamic that I think is a problem: everybody is long equities, and everybody wants everything to go up.&#34;</p><p>&#34;The more they hype it the more it becomes somebody else&#39;s financial asset they&#39;re holding. You can&#39;t have that, so you&#39;re going to have an environment of negative real returns. Everything can&#39;t go up all the time, that system won&#39;t work that way,&#34; Dalio explained.</p><p>As the U.S. economy overheats and Americans struggle with the worst inflation in forty years and as inflation has become a global phenomenon, is it possible for the Federal Reserve to achieve its hoped-for &#39;soft landing&#39; for the economy?</p><p>Dalio doesn&#39;t think so.</p><p>Can the Fed reduce demand without breaking the back of the economy? Sorkin asked. &#34;The answer is no,&#34; Dalio replied.</p></body></html>\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{".SPX":"S&P 500 Index",".IXIC":"NASDAQ Composite"},"source_url":"","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"2237820378","content_text":"It wouldn't be Davos week without a CNBC exclusive interview with Bridgewater Associates' Ray Dalio, the founder of the world's largest hedge fund by assets under management and one of the most closely followed market commentators -- at least, in the US.Dalio has become well known in recent years for explaining his long-term thesis about the US economy and assets in a series of lengthy LinkedIn articles which he has also compiled into book form. And fortunately for those who are trying to decode his musings, his outlook hasn't actually changed all that much since the start of the pandemic.Toward the beginning of Tuesday's interview, CNBC's Andrew Ross Sorkin cut to the chase and asked Dalio directly: is cash still \"trash\"? Dalio has been criticizing investors who opted to keep their powder dry for years now, repeating his mantra even as markets cratered during the spring of 2020.And now?\"Of course cash is still trash,\" Dalio replied. \"Do you know how fast you're losing buying power in cash?\"Unfortunately, this doesn't mean that investors will be much better off keeping their money in stocks or bonds, because \"equities are trashier\".During a time when inflation is weighing heavily on real returns, Dalio said investors would be better off with 'real' assets like real estate -- a position that was reflected yesterday in a piece by Guggenheim's Scott Minerd, who said he expects real estate and art to outperform stocks over the next five years.After a decade of blockbuster equity returns, Dalio explained that the problem is too many investors are crowded into stocks. And while the past few months have been characterized by relentless selling, there's still plenty of froth that needs to be taken out of the market before an equilibrium can be achieved.\"Here's the dynamic that I think is a problem: everybody is long equities, and everybody wants everything to go up.\"\"The more they hype it the more it becomes somebody else's financial asset they're holding. You can't have that, so you're going to have an environment of negative real returns. Everything can't go up all the time, that system won't work that way,\" Dalio explained.As the U.S. economy overheats and Americans struggle with the worst inflation in forty years and as inflation has become a global phenomenon, is it possible for the Federal Reserve to achieve its hoped-for 'soft landing' for the economy?Dalio doesn't think so.Can the Fed reduce demand without breaking the back of the economy? 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