The S&P 500 Has Had a Good Run. Why Wall Street Thinks a Pullback Is Coming.

Barrons2021-09-11

S&P 500 index funds will tumble by Christmas, one Wall Street strategist predicts. Not necessarily, says another—but they’ll lose money over the next decade. I can’t decide whether to panic or just ...

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daz888888888
2021-11-16
daz888888888
Solid article
kuehlapis
2021-09-13
kuehlapis
a pullback is always around the corner... build a watchlist and stock up extra cash!
TYHzir
2021-09-12
TYHzir
Like
JoelLee
2021-09-12
JoelLee
Reply and comment pls thx
- Chris68:
  Ok
LimLS
2021-09-12
LimLS
Bears are calling for dip or crash since late last year. People are also expecting pullback since June when everyone talks about Fed tapering. Aug is supposed to be a bad month but still end up green. Sept seems to be bad based on last week market but we will only know by month end. Let's just stop timing the market and stay vested. At the same time, just save more money so if pullback comes, we can just buy more.
- Chris68:
  Agreed
- Roykhor77:
  +1 lIke
来人
2021-09-12
来人
Nice

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People are also expecting pullback since June when everyone talks about Fed tapering. Aug is supposed to be a bad month but still end up green. Sept seems to be bad based on last week market but we will only know by month end. Let's just stop timing the market and stay vested. At the same time, just save more money so if pullback comes, we can just buy more.","listText":"Bears are calling for dip or crash since late last year. People are also expecting pullback since June when everyone talks about Fed tapering. Aug is supposed to be a bad month but still end up green. Sept seems to be bad based on last week market but we will only know by month end. Let's just stop timing the market and stay vested. At the same time, just save more money so if pullback comes, we can just buy more.","text":"Bears are calling for dip or crash since late last year. People are also expecting pullback since June when everyone talks about Fed tapering. Aug is supposed to be a bad month but still end up green. Sept seems to be bad based on last week market but we will only know by month end. Let's just stop timing the market and stay vested. 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