Are lithium-ion batteries in EVs a fire hazard?

Reuters2021-08-24

Aug 23 (Reuters) - General Motors Co has expanded the recall of its Chevrolet Bolt electric vehicles due to a risk of fire from the pouch-type lithium-ion battery cells made by South Korea's LG. The ...

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breAkdaWn
2021-08-25
breAkdaWn
Remember the iPhone battery catching fire? Phones were not allowed to be carried in airlines. I have seen power banks swell n get out of shape. How much more damage can ev batteries do!!
breAkdaWn
2021-08-25
breAkdaWn
Don't forget iPhone had battery catching fire and the airlines stopped these phones being carried. How much more damage can these ev batteries !
Limth
2021-08-24
Limth
Doesn't sound good
- Rickyt089:
  Yeah but it has been commonly used

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