Amazon and Ford Have a Big Problem They Can't Control

TheStreet2022-05-02

E-commerce giant Amazon and automaker Ford both have stakes in a company that is becoming a financial headache.Amazon and Ford operate in two different sectors.The first is in online commerce, ...

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breAkdaWn
2022-05-03
breAkdaWn
ford im begining to think cannot make EVs, unless the mind set of the old managment team exists. managment has for decades doing IC engines. hard to change thier minds. and they get exorbitant salaries. best bet would be to sack the full managment team. and make them work on the shop floor
X99
2022-05-02
X99
Still good value.
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2022-05-02
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Carmakers have run short of parts, especially the semiconductors that have become integral to vehicles.Rivian and rivals are also facing rising raw-material prices, which are increasing its costs.Finally, the upstart vehicle manufacturer is experiencing the classic problems of maturity linked to the rise in production rates. \"Our initial deliveries for the R1T and R1S were delayed, and our production ramp is taking longer than originally expected due to a number of reasons,\" Rivian said early April.\"The cascading impacts of the covid-19 pandemic, and more recently the conflict in the Ukraine, have impacted our business and operations from facility construction to equipment installation to vehicle component supply.\"Rivian was founded in 2009 and went public in 2021. 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