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09-30

$ARK Innovation ETF(ARKK)$  Your summary of Marks’s view is essentially correct: he’s warning that valuations are elevated, but he doesn’t (yet) believe we’re in full-blown “irrational exuberance.” Rather, he counsels a more cautious stance — what he calls “Level 5 defense” — i.e. reduce aggressive exposure, rotate toward defensive assets, tighten risk controls. That’s a sensible posture in my view: it’s a midpoint between outright alarm and complacency.


Below are my reflections on his stance, some observations on current valuations (especially of the Magnificent 7 and the S&P 500), and how I would (and do) position a portfolio in this environment.



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Opinion on Marks’s view & the valuation backdrop


Strengths of his approach


1. Avoids extremes

Marks is rightly avoiding a black-and-white view. Valuations being “high” is not sufficient alone to conclude a crash is imminent; what matters is investor psychology, liquidity, leverage, and structural risks. He often emphasizes the difference between expensive and bubble. This humility (or caution) is useful in complex markets.



2. Focus on risk control & optionality

His counsel to dial back aggressiveness and give more weight to defense gives optionality — you preserve capital if things go poorly, and you retain flexibility to lean back in if valuations or sentiment turn more favorable.



3. Valuation anchor with caveats

He doesn’t ignore valuation, but he also doesn’t treat it as an absolute signal. His “calculus of value” framework (price vs value, convergence vs divergence) remains useful. 




Critiques / cautions


1. Timing is notoriously hard

Even when valuations are stretched, the market can stay irrational longer than many expect (as he himself often warns). Overly defensive tilts can lead to opportunity cost if the rally continues.



2. Structural differences in today’s market

We are in a period of deep concentration (Magnificent 7), very low interest rate regimes (historically speaking), enormous technological transformation (especially around AI), and substantial intangible-capital weight in valuations. Some of the traditional valuation multiples may misstate “true” optionality and future growth embedded in those names.



3. Valuation dispersion matters more than index averages

In a market where mega-caps dominate, average multiples of the S&P 500 or broad indices can mask divergence. Some stocks may be extremely overvalued, while others may still have attractive entry points. Marks’s approach tends to focus more broadly, which is sensible, but requires more tactical finesse at the stock level.





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Valuations of the Magnificent 7 & S&P 500 — state of play


Here is what the public data suggests today (or most recently):


The S&P 500’s P/E multiple (trailing or forward) is well above its historical averages. GuruFocus lists the current P/E around ~29.5× as of late September 2025, versus a long-term “normal” (median) closer to ~18–20×. 


Some other models, such as the 10-year P/E from CurrentMarketValuation, put the multiple even higher (e.g. ~37.1× on a 10-year earnings basis, ~80 % above the modern-era average) — though one must interpret that carefully. 


The S&P is currently trading materially above its long-term trend by many models — e.g. ~2 standard deviations above modern-era historical trend, or ~73 % above trend in the CurrentMarketValuation mean reversion model. 


In the technology/mega-cap area:

  • The tech / Information Technology sector P/E is running in the high 30s (e.g. ~37.97×) in some estimates. 

  • Meanwhile, the “Magnificent 7” names are trading at premiums over the average S&P. For instance:

  • Nvidia: forward ~39× (or higher in trailing terms)

  • Microsoft, Amazon, Apple, Meta: many trade above the average S&P forward multiple

  • Tesla’s multiples are extremely high (hundreds of times forward earnings) in many analyses. 

  (Note: valuations differ across sources and depending on whether one uses trailing, forward, or adjusted earnings.)


The concentration effect is also meaningful: the top ~10 stocks now account for a large fraction of the S&P 500’s market cap (and earnings). E.g. as of current data, Nvidia alone is ~7.2 % of the S&P 500. 



Thus, the empirical picture is: broad markets are richly priced, many mega-cap tech names are richer still, and dispersion is high across sectors and names.


From a probabilistic/mean reversion lens, this suggests lower expected forward returns (especially over medium term horizons) and asymmetric downside risk if sentiment sours.


In light of that, Marks’s caution is justified — valuations are stretched enough to warrant more defensive posture, especially if one is nearing full risk capacity.



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My current (hypothetical) portfolio posture & approach


To be transparent, I do not manage a literal personal fund here; but if I were to allocate in today’s environment, my approach (which I follow in simulation or advisory practice) is:


1. Core / strategic allocation (base layer)

I maintain a core “neutral” allocation (e.g. 50–70 % equities, remainder in fixed income, cash, alternative hedges) calibrated to my long-term risk profile and time horizon.



2. Tactical tilt / overlay

Given the elevated valuation regime, I lean more defensively than my neutral baseline. For instance:


I would reduce exposure to the most richly valued, high-beta, high-volatility growth names (especially among the Magnificent 7), unless I have very high confidence in intrinsic growth prospects.


Rotate some weight toward more “value,” dividend-paying, or quality defensive sectors (e.g. consumer staples, utilities, healthcare) — names less exposed to speculative multiple expansion.


Use hedges or tail-risk protection (e.g. index puts, structured protection, volatility strategies) to manage downside risk.




3. Defensive / ballast allocations

Yes — I would hold a nontrivial allocation to defensive / diversifying assets, such as:


High-quality bonds / fixed income (especially short to intermediate duration to manage interest rate risk)


Cash or near-cash instruments, to provide dry powder


Alternatives: real assets (real estate, infrastructure, inflation-protected securities), hedge strategies, long/short equities, convertible arbitrage, etc.


Possibly low-volatility equity strategies or “defensive equity” funds




4. Dynamic rebalancing & optionality

I maintain flexibility to shift more defensively or more aggressively based on signal inputs (valuation, sentiment, macro indicators, credit spreads, liquidity). I do not make large, permanent allocations based solely on say “because we’re high.”



5. Position sizing, diversification, and risk limits

Even in remaining equities, I avoid overconcentration in any single name or factor. I ensure no one position can wreck returns; I size for drawdown tolerance.




In sum, I am more underweight aggressive growth names now than at a neutral point, and slightly overweight defensive / diversifiers relative to neutral. But I still retain meaningful equity exposure — I’m not in “all cash” mode.



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Should you hold defensive assets now?


Yes — in a high-valuation environment, it is prudent to hold defensive or ballast assets. But the degree depends on your:


Time horizon


Risk tolerance


Liquidity needs


Beliefs/conviction in particular sectors or names


Opportunity cost you are willing to bear if equities continue to rally



Here are a few principles:


Don’t go to zero equity unless you expect systemic collapse. You forgo too much upside if you miss a rally.


Balance offense and defense — the goal is not perfect foresight but managing risk asymmetry.


Use defense as optionality — capital preserved gives you the ability to redeploy after drawdowns.


Review your portfolio periodically — if valuations compress, interest rates fall, or sentiment turns, be ready to scale back in.


Tail hedges are “cheap insurance” — small cost for many that can pay off in downside.




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Personal verdict & caveats


I broadly align with Marks’s framework: valuations are high enough to require caution, risk control, and tilt toward defense, but I don’t believe we’re in a fully irrational-blow-off regime (yet). The transition from “expensive, but still plausible” to “bubble” can take time and be lumpy.


In my view, the biggest risk lurking is a combination of:


A shift in monetary policy / interest rates


A deterioration in credit / liquidity conditions


A negative sentiment shock or an exogenous macro shock



In such a scenario, overvalued growth names may get hit first and hardest. Thus I would rather maintain some margin of safety now.


Market Master 101 | Howard: Where Do We Stand in 2025?
In his recent memo to Oaktree’s clients, Howard Marks outlined his views on the current high levels of the market. He believes the market has not yet entered a phase of irrational exuberance, but still advises clients to adopt a Level 5 defense (reducing aggressive positions and increasing defensive holdings). What do you think of his views on the valuations of the Magnificent 7 and the S&P 500? How is your own portfolio allocated right now? Since the market is at elevated levels, should we be holding some defensive assets?
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Comments

  • Reg Ford
    09-30
    Reg Ford
    ARKK’s high valuations? Trimmed it! Rotated to staples + short-duration bonds,Level 5 defense on!
  • Astrid Stephen
    09-30
    Astrid Stephen
    Magnificent 7 too pricey, but not all! Cut NVDA/TSLA, kept MSFT.
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