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2021-09-13

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Sky-High Faang Stocks Were Never Anything But Screaming Bargains

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2021-09-13
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thought so too, wait for correctiom
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Every year, bears get more convinced the stock market will crash due to its high valuation. And every year it doesn’t.</p>\n<p>Case in point: the block of tech megacap companies known as the Faangs. Their tremendous ability to rapidly grow profits has defied Cassandras who said buying a Faang stock for more than 30 times earnings would haunt investors.</p>\n<p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/a8276383dd4d2280d721ade3d6bf8db1\" tg-width=\"960\" tg-height=\"540\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"></p>\n<p>“Ultimately everything has to trade off fundamentals,” said Eric Marshall, a portfolio manager at Hodges Capital Management. “These Faang stocks are valued the way they are because they are disruptors -- they’ve changed the way people shop, they’ve changed the way people work, they’ve changed the way people consume media.”</p>\n<p>Take <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/FB\">Facebook</a> Inc. in 2013, for instance. The stock looked gravely expensive one year after its debut, fetching a price-earnings ratio of 62 based on the income it generated in the previous 12 months. However, when measured against the profit that the social-media company made one year later, the stock cost only half as much.</p>\n<p>Amazon.com Inc. showed a similar story. The internet giant was traded at roughly 183 times reported earnings back then. When judged by earnings that materialized five years out, it was cheap -- for a multiple of 14.</p>\n<p>Needless to say, that year was the onset of a 530% rally for the Faangs -- Facebook, Apple Inc., Amazon, Microsoft Corp. and Google parent Alphabet Inc., an advance that easily dwarfs every major industry in the S&amp;P 500. Original Faang member Netflix Inc. has gained more than 1,000% since then.</p>\n<p>Bubble warnings were again heard when the broader market began to rally off the 2020 pandemic lows. 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Yet earnings are already 10% above the trend seen in past decades.</p>\n<p>“With the current cycle advancing very quickly, the risk that the correction is hard is growing,” Chadha wrote in a client note.</p>\n<p>Of course, there is no guarantee the great expectations embedded in share prices will come true, not even for the largest companies. While some of the Faangs just rode a resurgence in consumer and business spending to a quarter of record profits, Apple has warned that sales growth may be slowing amid a tight supply and Alphabet said it’s too early to forecast longer-term trends due to uncertainty over the pandemic.</p>\n<p>Not to mention the heightened regulatory scrutiny these behemoths face. Apple shares dropped more than 3% Friday after the iPhone maker was ordered by a court to allow developers to steer consumers to outside payment methods for mobile apps.</p>\n<p>Big tech bulls aren’t deterred. The Faang stocks have risen 8% this quarter, joining defensive shares like utilities as market leaders. While some say this is driven by desires for stable businesses amid heightened macro uncertainty, it’d be remiss to credit it all to a rush for safety.</p>\n<p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/e0e73975d258a5fb607335c2cbbec006\" tg-width=\"960\" tg-height=\"540\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"></p>\n<p>Except for Amazon, the rest of the Faangs have all seen their earnings estimates rise, jumping an average 13% in the past three months. That compared with a 7.5% increase for the S&amp;P 500.</p>\n<p>Anyone who stared down the valuation warnings was proven right. 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Everything from passive investing to buybacks is trotted out ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://finance.yahoo.com/news/sky-high-faang-stocks-were-114500283.html\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"161125":"标普500","513500":"标普500ETF","AAPL":"苹果","SPXU":"三倍做空标普500ETF","IVV":"标普500指数ETF","SH":"标普500反向ETF","SDS":"两倍做空标普500ETF","GOOGL":"谷歌A","UPRO":"三倍做多标普500ETF","GOOG":"谷歌","SSO":"两倍做多标普500ETF","OEF":"标普100指数ETF-iShares","OEX":"标普100",".SPX":"S&P 500 Index"},"source_url":"https://finance.yahoo.com/news/sky-high-faang-stocks-were-114500283.html","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/5f26f4a48f9cb3e29be4d71d3ba8c038","article_id":"2166377033","content_text":"(Bloomberg) -- What explains the bull market’s ability to power on despite valuations that eclipse anything other than the dot-com bubble? Everything from passive investing to buybacks is trotted out to explain it, but the real reason is the uncanny predictability of corporate America’s earnings machine.\nPatience is being rewarded like at no other time. Thanks to a climb in profits that is as steady as it is steep, valuations that once made noses bleed turn out to be very reasonable when measured against income one or two years later. Call it retrospective P/E -- price divided by earnings that eventually come to pass.\nThe result has been a rally that, while paling next to the late 1990s in terms of hysteria, has caught up in terms of duration. Every year, bears get more convinced the stock market will crash due to its high valuation. And every year it doesn’t.\nCase in point: the block of tech megacap companies known as the Faangs. Their tremendous ability to rapidly grow profits has defied Cassandras who said buying a Faang stock for more than 30 times earnings would haunt investors.\n\n“Ultimately everything has to trade off fundamentals,” said Eric Marshall, a portfolio manager at Hodges Capital Management. “These Faang stocks are valued the way they are because they are disruptors -- they’ve changed the way people shop, they’ve changed the way people work, they’ve changed the way people consume media.”\nTake Facebook Inc. in 2013, for instance. The stock looked gravely expensive one year after its debut, fetching a price-earnings ratio of 62 based on the income it generated in the previous 12 months. However, when measured against the profit that the social-media company made one year later, the stock cost only half as much.\nAmazon.com Inc. showed a similar story. The internet giant was traded at roughly 183 times reported earnings back then. When judged by earnings that materialized five years out, it was cheap -- for a multiple of 14.\nNeedless to say, that year was the onset of a 530% rally for the Faangs -- Facebook, Apple Inc., Amazon, Microsoft Corp. and Google parent Alphabet Inc., an advance that easily dwarfs every major industry in the S&P 500. Original Faang member Netflix Inc. has gained more than 1,000% since then.\nBubble warnings were again heard when the broader market began to rally off the 2020 pandemic lows. Yet corporate profits have roared higher in such a spectacular fashion that those valuations, when analyzed against the actual earnings reported a year later, were almost 20% cheaper than analysts thought.\nValuations are never great market-timing tools, yet they do matter in the long term since the more over-valued the market is, the lower its future returns. According to a study by Deutsche Bank AG, valuations similar to today’s have historically brought slightly negative returns on average in the ensuing five years.\nTo Binky Chadha, Deutsche Bank’s chief strategist, current stretched multiples reflect confusion over exactly where the market is in the earnings cycle. With S&P 500 firms exceeding analyst estimates by more than 15% for five quarters in a row, stocks are priced for a prolonged recovery and for large beats to continue, he says. Yet earnings are already 10% above the trend seen in past decades.\n“With the current cycle advancing very quickly, the risk that the correction is hard is growing,” Chadha wrote in a client note.\nOf course, there is no guarantee the great expectations embedded in share prices will come true, not even for the largest companies. While some of the Faangs just rode a resurgence in consumer and business spending to a quarter of record profits, Apple has warned that sales growth may be slowing amid a tight supply and Alphabet said it’s too early to forecast longer-term trends due to uncertainty over the pandemic.\nNot to mention the heightened regulatory scrutiny these behemoths face. Apple shares dropped more than 3% Friday after the iPhone maker was ordered by a court to allow developers to steer consumers to outside payment methods for mobile apps.\nBig tech bulls aren’t deterred. The Faang stocks have risen 8% this quarter, joining defensive shares like utilities as market leaders. While some say this is driven by desires for stable businesses amid heightened macro uncertainty, it’d be remiss to credit it all to a rush for safety.\n\nExcept for Amazon, the rest of the Faangs have all seen their earnings estimates rise, jumping an average 13% in the past three months. That compared with a 7.5% increase for the S&P 500.\nAnyone who stared down the valuation warnings was proven right. The Faangs have added $8 trillion in share values since 2013, buttressed by an uninterrupted earnings expansion that endured the 2014-2015 oil shock and last year’s pandemic recession.\nAnd analysts’ estimates suggest the Faang bloc’s superior earnings strength will keep going, expanding at an annualized rate of 23% in the next three to five years, double the S&P 500’s expected growth rate.\n“Their business models appear to be almost bulletproof,” said Mike Mullaney, director of global market research at Boston Partners. “I’m more willing to pay up for that.”","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":566,"commentLimit":10,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"symbols":[],"verified":2,"subType":0,"readableState":1,"langContent":"EN","currentLanguage":"EN","warmUpFlag":false,"orderFlag":false,"shareable":true,"causeOfNotShareable":"","featuresForAnalytics":[],"commentAndTweetFlag":false,"upFlag":false,"length":16,"xxTargetLangEnum":"ORIG"},"commentList":[{"id":5849969,"gmtCreate":1631509076793,"gmtModify":1663233806533,"authorId":3582327204568575,"author":{"id":3582327204568575,"authorId":3582327204568575,"name":"valuebay","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/975309cd3a6c14b9b84d70a743d8eb57","vip":1,"currentWearingBadge":{"badgeId":"a83d7582f45846ffbccbce770ce65d84-1","templateUuid":"a83d7582f45846ffbccbce770ce65d84","name":"Real Trader","description":"Completed a transaction","bigImgUrl":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/2e08a1cc2087a1de93402c2c290fa65b","smallImgUrl":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/4504a6397ce1137932d56e5f4ce27166","grayImgUrl":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/4b22c79415b4cd6e3d8ebc4a0fa32604","redirectLinkEnabled":0,"hasAllocated":1,"isWearing":1,"stampPosition":0,"hasStamp":0,"allocationCount":1,"allocatedDate":"2021.12.21","individualDisplayEnabled":0,"individualDisplaySort":0,"categoryType":1100},"hat":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/4c5ceab71416b120bab4604c0754b52a","crmLevel":6,"crmLevelSwitch":1,"individualDisplayBadges":[]},"repliedAuthorId":0,"objectId":888563595,"type":1,"supId":0,"prevId":0,"content":"thought so too, wait for <u>correctiom</u>","text":"thought so too, wait for <u>correctiom</u>","html":"thought so too, wait for <u>correctiom</u>","likeSize":0,"commentSize":1,"subComments":[{"id":5850227,"gmtCreate":1631510744021,"gmtModify":1663233803967,"authorId":3567852837945728,"author":{"id":3567852837945728,"authorId":3567852837945728,"name":"setia100","avatar":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/5d07af59743ad001196b7aca5f1726d7","vip":1,"currentWearingBadge":{"badgeId":"7a9f168ff73447fe856ed6c938b61789-1","templateUuid":"7a9f168ff73447fe856ed6c938b61789","name":"Knowledgeable Investor","description":"Traded more than 10 stocks","bigImgUrl":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/e74cc24115c4fbae6154ec1b1041bf47","smallImgUrl":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/d48265cbfd97c57f9048db29f22227b0","grayImgUrl":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/76c6d6898b073c77e1c537ebe9ac1c57","redirectLinkEnabled":0,"hasAllocated":1,"isWearing":1,"stampPosition":0,"hasStamp":0,"allocationCount":1,"allocatedDate":"2021.12.21","individualDisplayEnabled":0,"individualDisplaySort":0,"categoryType":1102},"crmLevel":5,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"individualDisplayBadges":[]},"repliedAuthorId":0,"objectId":888563595,"type":1,"supId":5849969,"prevId":0,"content":"Agreed... buy at right time will make a lot of different...","text":"Agreed... buy at right time will make a lot of different...","html":"Agreed... buy at right time will make a lot of different..."}],"verified":10,"allocateAmount":0,"commentType":"valid","coins":0,"score":0}],"isCommentEnd":false,"isTiger":false,"isWeiXinMini":false,"url":"/m/post/888563595"}