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01-31

Tesla other services like the lithium batteries contributions are getting more profits revenue is a very good sign

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08-12

He full of sour grapes, envy when rival are doing better than his company

Musk Accuses Apple of Antitrust Violation, Says xAI Will Take Legal Action

2021-08-20

Drop, buy more.

The Stock Market Is Dropping Again. What’s Behind Its Worst Slump Since July.

2022-02-01

Nice, to the moon. Good for long term investors

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12-04 14:49

Tough competition in the region,especally there a join new plant in china, need to cut cost.

Exxonmobil to Permanently Shut One Steam Cracker in Singapore From March, Sources Say

2024-11-09

I simply loves tesla, even though someone is simply jealous and if im not wrong a lefist. How does it feel whenbtrump won the election. I

Tesla Hits $1 Trillion Market Cap as Stock Rallies After Trump Win

2021-07-13

Oh no, seem like it gonna color red tonite

Consumer price index increases 5.4% in June vs. 5% estimate

2021-03-02

Yes , Sea Ltd to infinity and beyond

Toplines Before U.S. Market Open on Tuesday

2021-08-13

Chiong ah

Disney jumps over 5% as financials, subscribers top Street expectations

2021-08-13

Woah , at last my prayers has been heard.Has been waiting for this day?

Disney jumps over 5% as financials, subscribers top Street expectations

11-09

At least so much better than grandpa biden

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02-02

I dont share the same thoughts as you .Basically tesla is core EV car business, but i believe that its lithium batteries are gaining momentum., and increasing its profits year afteryear. I certainly believe that sector can easily contribute the same amt of contribution as compare to EV contribution in 4 to 5 years time

Tesla: Once Again, It's Time To Trim

2024-12-23

Rise , tesla more than the a EV company. Only idiots think otherwise

Will Tesla Stock Pop or Drop in 2025?

09-01

One of those pump and dump stocks

Kidztech Holdings Ltd. Completes Private Placement of 124.9 Million New Shares Under General Mandate

05-01

$Sea Ltd(SE)$ its gonna get better in future. Long term

02-21

Though i believe the stock price will come down, it will be a good stock to hold for long term as it has the good potential to grow very well in the future.

Palantir: Hope Is Not A Strategy

01-22

$Apple(AAPL)$ Should i hold or sell ?

Apple Stock Slides Nearly 4%. Tough January Worsens as Analysts Cut on iPhone Weakness

2024-12-05

I believe palantir is a good company

Palantir: Long Way Down

2024-11-29

😊

Will Palantir Stock Hit $75 a Share?

2021-08-13

Yes, finally . Woohoo, it been awhile.

Palantir Technologies shares gain nearly 12% in early trading as raising sales forecast on strong government uptake.

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(NASDAQ:PLTR) and in both, I rated the stock as a “Sell”. One article was published in September 2024, the other was published in December 2024. Looking back at these two articles, it seems like I made huge investing mistakes. In both articles, I argued that Palantir is way too expensive, but the stock just continues to rally. Since my last article, the stock has increased 70%, and since my article in September, the stock has increased by 200% in only 5 months.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/abeb294a2fb369684702de60aeeda901\" alt=\"Ratings for Palantir (Seeking Alpha)\" title=\"Ratings for Palantir (Seeking Alpha)\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"206\"/><span>Ratings for Palantir (Seeking Alpha)</span></p><p>At least when looking at other analysts, I am not the only one who is bearish (or at least neutral). In the last 30 days, 18 out of 46 Seeking Alpha analysts rated the stock as a “Sell” or “Strong Sell”. I hope I am not killing the suspense, but I will now also change my rating for “Sell” to “Strong Sell” because Palantir’s stock price is far beyond reasonable.</p><p>In the following article, I will explain once again why I believe Palantir stopped being an investment we can justify on a fundamental basis long ago – despite the business growing at a high pace and growth even accelerating in the last few quarters.</p><h2 id=\"id_1569289676\">Valuation Multiples</h2><p>We once again start by looking at valuation multiples. Although not the perfect metric to determine if a stock is over- or undervalued, it is a starting point. And the problem of Palantir can be summed up in the following way: The stock price is increasing at a fast pace, and this would be acceptable if growth rates are justifying that. This would result in valuation multiples remaining at the same level. If a great business was constantly trading for 50 times free cash flow because free cash flow is growing with a pace of 50% annually it is acceptable if the stock price is also increasing 50% annually.</p><p>But in case of Palantir, the situation is different. Over the last few months, the valuation multiples exploded, and we can look at three different valuation multiples – and all three show clear signs of irrational exuberance in my view.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/256d33729c7ec99d3ec09640370bee2c\" alt=\"Data by YCharts\" title=\"Data by YCharts\" tg-width=\"635\" tg-height=\"439\"/><span>Data by YCharts</span></p><p>When looking at the P/E ratio, Palantir is trading for 617 times earnings. When looking at the P/FCF ratio, the stock is trading only for 252 times free cash flow, but both metrics are beyond being reasonable. Now we can argue that earnings per share and free cash flow can fluctuate heavily and as we are always using the trailing twelve months numbers to calculate these valuation multiples, we are dependent on the reported numbers in the last twelve months. This is the reason forward ratios are often used, but even the forward P/E ratio is currently 213.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/8c83dbf8453c4489faf43a24a226b35f\" alt=\"Data by YCharts\" title=\"Data by YCharts\" tg-width=\"635\" tg-height=\"424\"/><span>Data by YCharts</span></p><p>Aside from P/FCF and P/E ratio, we can look at the price-sales ratio, which is above 100. And to mention the counterargument right away: the price-sales ratio has its limitations to reflect constantly improving margins. But that discussion is moot because 100 times sales (and we are not talking about a small company anymore, Palantir is already generating close to $3 billion in sales) is beyond reasonable. Maybe you are familiar with the quote of Scott McNealy, the CEO of Sun Microsystems during the Dotcom bubble, who gave an interview a few years later:</p><blockquote><p>At 10 times revenues, to give you a 10-year payback, I have to pay you 100% of revenues for 10 straight years in dividends. That assumes I can get that by my shareholders. That assumes I have zero cost of goods sold, which is very hard for a computer company. That assumes zero expenses, which is really hard with 39,000 employees. That assumes I pay no taxes, which is very hard. And that assumes you pay no taxes on your dividends, which is kind of illegal. And that assumes with zero R&amp;D for the next 10 years, I can maintain the current revenue run rate. Now, having done that, would any of you like to buy my stock at $64? Do you realize how ridiculous those basic assumptions are? You don’t need any transparency. You don’t need any footnotes. What were you thinking?</p></blockquote><p>Maybe we will read a similar statement about Palantir in a few years from now. Additionally, we always have to remember that McNealy was talking about a stock trading for 10 times sales, and we are talking about a stock trading for 100 times sales.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/4718b51efcc91c251fbff829061a1ae0\" alt=\"Sparkline Capital\" title=\"Sparkline Capital\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"465\"/><span>Sparkline Capital</span></p><p>When looking back at some of the peak valuation multiples during the Dotcom bubble, we can conclude that 10 times sales was not as extreme as there were several companies trading for P/S ratios way above 100. But when looking at the valuation multiples today and focus on the S&amp;P 500, there are no stocks trading for a P/S ratio above 100 and while there are 45 companies trading for a price-sales ratio above 10, no stock is coming close to Palantir. NVIDIA Corporation (NVDA) and CrowdStrike Holdings (CRWD) are trading for 30 times sales, and the Texas Pacific Land Corporation (TPL) is runner-up with a price-sales ratio of 45.</p><h2 id=\"id_696151339\">Quarterly Results</h2><p>The counterargument for high valuation multiples is usually explosive growth. In case of Palantir, I don’t want to deny that the business is growing with a high pace and growth is accelerating. When looking at the full-year results, revenue increased from $2,225 million in fiscal 2023 to $2,866 million in fiscal 2024 – resulting in 28.8% year-over-year growth. Income from operations increased even 159% year-over-year from $120.0 million in fiscal 2023 to $310.4 million in fiscal 2024. And diluted earnings per share increased from $0.09 in fiscal 2023 to $0.19 in fiscal 2024 – resulting in 111% bottom-line growth. Finally, adjusted free cash flow increased from $730.5 million in fiscal 2023 to $1,249 million in fiscal 2024.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/5792381a21239fb644f6c6f1826f96c2\" alt=\"Palantir Q4/24 Earnings Release\" title=\"Palantir Q4/24 Earnings Release\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"604\"/><span>Palantir Q4/24 Earnings Release</span></p><p>We can also look at fourth quarter results. Revenue increased from $608.4 million in Q4/23 to $827.5 million in Q4/24. Income from operations, however, declined from $65.8 million in the same quarter last year to $11.0 million in Q4/24. Diluted earnings per share declined from $0.04 in Q4/23 to $0.04 in Q4/24. And adjusted free cash flow in the fourth quarter increased 69.8% year-over-year from $304.8 million in Q4/23 to $517.4 million in Q4/24. The adjusted free cash flow margin improved from 50% in Q4/23 to 63% in Q4/24. The declining bottom line and declining operating income in the fourth quarter is mostly the result of much higher expenses for sales and marketing ($288 million compared to $197 million) and higher expenses for research and development ($109 million vs. $171.5 million this quarter).</p><h2 id=\"id_4231512336\">Accelerating Growth</h2><p>Aside from impressive results and high growth in fiscal 2024, we can also point out that growth is accelerating in the recent past. When looking at quarterly revenue growth in the last few years, Palantir has been growing with a higher pace at one point but since mid-2023, revenue growth accelerated from 12.8% YoY growth to 36% YoY growth right now.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/a40c6714967558e087988a0c415c8b20\" alt=\"Data by YCharts\" title=\"Data by YCharts\" tg-width=\"635\" tg-height=\"424\"/><span>Data by YCharts</span></p><p>However, growth will obviously not accelerate in 2025 anymore. For the full year, management is expecting revenue to be between $3,741 million and $3,757 million resulting in about 31.0% to 31.5% year-over-year growth. Adjusted free cash flow is projected to be between $1.5 billion and $1.7 billion resulting in 20% to 36% YoY growth.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/d263a55dc5b404921a17dc0dec756f8e\" alt=\"Palantir Q4/24 Presentation\" title=\"Palantir Q4/24 Presentation\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"360\"/><span>Palantir Q4/24 Presentation</span></p><p>Of course, I don’t want to badmouth Palantir’s results and guidance and for the next ten years until fiscal 2034, analysts are expecting growth rates of 30% annually, which are extremely high growth rates.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/43b9e85545cdbb4d3ff12d0f420be424\" alt=\"Palantir: Consensus EPS Estimates (Seeking Alpha)\" title=\"Palantir: Consensus EPS Estimates (Seeking Alpha)\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"360\"/><span>Palantir: Consensus EPS Estimates (Seeking Alpha)</span></p><p>And aside from expecting high growth rates, analysts are getting more optimistic about revenue and earnings per share in the years to come. Especially in the recent past, analysts got more optimistic about earnings per share in the next few years.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/57c29f54e3457d41a891e2aa8fc73d69\" alt=\"Palantir: Consensus EPS Revisions (Seeking Alpha)\" title=\"Palantir: Consensus EPS Revisions (Seeking Alpha)\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"413\"/><span>Palantir: Consensus EPS Revisions (Seeking Alpha)</span></p><h2 id=\"id_1630883688\">Intrinsic Value Calculation</h2><p>The problem with these growth rates is quite simple: 36% revenue growth in Q4/24 and a CAGR of 30% for earnings per share in the next ten years are very impressive. But it is nowhere near enough to make Palantir fairly valued right now.</p><p>In the following sections, we use a discount cash flow calculation to determine an intrinsic value. And for such a calculation we usually must make several assumptions. As a basis for our calculation, we take the midpoint of the guidance for fiscal 2025 ($1.6 billion in free cash flow). Additionally, we calculate with 2,528 million shares outstanding and as always, we are calculating with a 10% discount rate (as this is the annual return we like to achieve at least).</p><p>When calculating with these assumptions, Palantir must grow 36% annually for the next ten years, followed by 6% growth until perpetuity. And we can look at these numbers a little closer and point out where the challenges might lie. For starters, 6% growth until perpetuity is considered too high and unreasonable by the CFI, which is recommending a terminal growth rate not higher than 4%. But let’s be optimistic and assume Palantir can grow at a high pace for a long time.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/b0c9dd68b683bc29e32df02a5e9bdada\" alt=\"Data by YCharts\" title=\"Data by YCharts\" tg-width=\"635\" tg-height=\"424\"/><span>Data by YCharts</span></p><p>A second problem is one I mentioned several times in the past, but it needs to be addressed again. Palantir is continuing to dilute its shares outstanding and in fiscal 2024 the number of diluted shares increased by 7.2% once again and to offset such a dilution, Palantir must grow its bottom line 43% annually for the next ten years.</p><p>Bottom line growth can usually stem from many different sources – share buybacks, margin improvement or top line growth. Share buybacks are nothing we should talk about right now. A second way to grow bottom line is by improving margins. And while we can certainly argue that operating margin has room to improve, gross margin is already high. But what is most important is the free cash flow margin, which is already 40%. And while we can always be optimistic and assume higher margins, we should be cautious about how optimistic we are. Palantir’s free cash flow guidance for fiscal 2025 is already assuming a free cash flow margin of 45% (on the upper end).</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/a1657f28c5d539d80deb699c7b54b8b0\" alt=\"Data by YCharts\" title=\"Data by YCharts\" tg-width=\"635\" tg-height=\"503\"/><span>Data by YCharts</span></p><p>In my opinion, we should not bet on margin improvements to contribute to bottom line growth. We should rather be a little cautious if Palantir can maintain a 45% free cash flow margin over the long run. Such a margin is certainly possible, but we should not take it for granted.</p><p>This leaves mostly the top line, which must contribute to growth. And despite reasons to be optimistic, I don’t know if we should really expect growth rates between 40% and 45% for the next 10 years. Once again, it is possible, but it is not a bet I am willing to take, and I believe the risk of losing a lot of money in the next few years is high.</p><h2 id=\"id_910261078\">Sentiment, Psychology, and Correction</h2><p>Before we come to an end and conclude once again that Palantir is extremely overvalued, we must talk about something else. How is it possible that people have made a lot of money when Palantir is extremely overvalued? And: Why is Palantir continuing to rise and rise when it is so extremely overvalued?</p><p>For example, if someone had bought close to the low of $6 in late 2022, the position gained 1,850% in a little more than two years. And even those that bought half a year ago – at a point where I already argue that Palantir is extremely overvalued – the profits were still impressive. And bulls will probably argue that I (and many others) just have to accept that the bearish position was wrong because the stock price, and bulls making money is the best proof of the bulls being right all along.</p><p>The answer is very simple: Sentiment is driving the stock market and therefore stock prices, which are not justified in any way from a fundamental point of view, are possible for a long time – sometimes even several years or longer. But at some point, these “inconsistencies” will always (!) be resolved. The “problem” is that extreme overvaluation can be solved in several ways.</p><p>One way and the most common ways is a crash of the stock price. Extreme overvaluation of a stock or index is usually followed by a very steep decline. In this scenario, those investors buying at a high price or close to the top will lose a lot of money. These are crashes we remember – like the Dotcom bubble, the Great Financial Crisis or many stocks belonging to the Nifty Fifty.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/920c2cbdb7c97ddc3e4e668b99cc617b\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"285\"/></p><p style=\"text-align: left;\"><strong>Exemplary chart data created with Python script (Author&#39;s work)</strong></p><p>But there is a second way. Extreme overvaluation can also be resolved by a stock stagnating for several years (or maybe even decades). In this scenario, the stock price is remaining at the same level, but with fundamentals continuing to improve – revenue and free cash flow increase – the valuation multiples decline until the stock is reasonably valued and can continue its increase.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/c3e31f4bd6a5139d66bc4dfb9883da23\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"343\"/></p><p style=\"text-align: left;\"><strong>Exemplary chart data created with Python script (Author&#39;s work)</strong></p><p>And there is a third way, which is the most dangerous, as it tells investors they were right all along buying Palantir for 100 times sales. For companies growing at a high pace (and Palantir is falling into that category) it is possible that the stock price is growing at a slower pace than fundamentals. Palantir can, for example, grow its free cash flow 25% annually for the next ten years while the stock price is growing only 5% or 8% annually. This will also resolve the high valuation over time. Similar to a beautiful deleveraging Ray Dalio is describing, this would be the scenario of a “beautiful bubble burst”. In this scenario, investors will not make a lot of money, but they also won’t have the feeling of having invested in an extremely overvalued stock.</p><p>Predicting which path a stock will go seems almost impossible, and therefore buying Palantir at this point is extremely risky (to avoid stronger terms here). Of course, there are scenarios where investors might not lose money as the stock continues to increase. However – and this is important – the stock is still not a good investment, as the stock climbs very slowly. In the end, fundamentals matter.</p><h2 id=\"id_626303204\">Conclusion</h2><p>Even with a theoretical scenario in which investors in Palantir could make a little money over the next decade, the stock is extremely overvalued and in the wide range of potential investments in the United States it is very close to the bottom with zero or negative potential returns. The most likely scenario is Palantir declining steeply in the next few years as it is becoming more difficult to justify the current stock price. And therefore, the only rating making sense right now is a “Strong Sell” rating.</p></body></html>","source":"lsy1728464409321","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Palantir: Hope Is Not A Strategy</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nPalantir: Hope Is Not A Strategy\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2025-02-21 11:57 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://seekingalpha.com/article/4760089-palantir-hope-is-not-a-strategy><strong>Seeking Alpha</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>SummaryPalantir Technologies Inc. is extremely overvalued, with valuation multiples like P/E ratio of 617 and P/S ratio above 100, making it a 'Strong Sell.'Despite impressive revenue and earnings ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4760089-palantir-hope-is-not-a-strategy\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"PLTR":"Palantir Technologies Inc."},"source_url":"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4760089-palantir-hope-is-not-a-strategy","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1159493164","content_text":"SummaryPalantir Technologies Inc. is extremely overvalued, with valuation multiples like P/E ratio of 617 and P/S ratio above 100, making it a 'Strong Sell.'Despite impressive revenue and earnings growth, Palantir's stock price is unjustifiable on a fundamental basis, driven by irrational exuberance.The stock's high valuation can't be sustained by its growth rates, in my opinion, and investors risk potentially significant losses.Sentiment is driving Palantir's stock price, but fundamentals will eventually correct the overvaluation, likely resulting in a steep decline.In the last half year, I wrote two very bearish articles about Palantir Technologies Inc. (NASDAQ:PLTR) and in both, I rated the stock as a “Sell”. One article was published in September 2024, the other was published in December 2024. Looking back at these two articles, it seems like I made huge investing mistakes. In both articles, I argued that Palantir is way too expensive, but the stock just continues to rally. Since my last article, the stock has increased 70%, and since my article in September, the stock has increased by 200% in only 5 months.Ratings for Palantir (Seeking Alpha)At least when looking at other analysts, I am not the only one who is bearish (or at least neutral). In the last 30 days, 18 out of 46 Seeking Alpha analysts rated the stock as a “Sell” or “Strong Sell”. I hope I am not killing the suspense, but I will now also change my rating for “Sell” to “Strong Sell” because Palantir’s stock price is far beyond reasonable.In the following article, I will explain once again why I believe Palantir stopped being an investment we can justify on a fundamental basis long ago – despite the business growing at a high pace and growth even accelerating in the last few quarters.Valuation MultiplesWe once again start by looking at valuation multiples. Although not the perfect metric to determine if a stock is over- or undervalued, it is a starting point. And the problem of Palantir can be summed up in the following way: The stock price is increasing at a fast pace, and this would be acceptable if growth rates are justifying that. This would result in valuation multiples remaining at the same level. If a great business was constantly trading for 50 times free cash flow because free cash flow is growing with a pace of 50% annually it is acceptable if the stock price is also increasing 50% annually.But in case of Palantir, the situation is different. Over the last few months, the valuation multiples exploded, and we can look at three different valuation multiples – and all three show clear signs of irrational exuberance in my view.Data by YChartsWhen looking at the P/E ratio, Palantir is trading for 617 times earnings. When looking at the P/FCF ratio, the stock is trading only for 252 times free cash flow, but both metrics are beyond being reasonable. Now we can argue that earnings per share and free cash flow can fluctuate heavily and as we are always using the trailing twelve months numbers to calculate these valuation multiples, we are dependent on the reported numbers in the last twelve months. This is the reason forward ratios are often used, but even the forward P/E ratio is currently 213.Data by YChartsAside from P/FCF and P/E ratio, we can look at the price-sales ratio, which is above 100. And to mention the counterargument right away: the price-sales ratio has its limitations to reflect constantly improving margins. But that discussion is moot because 100 times sales (and we are not talking about a small company anymore, Palantir is already generating close to $3 billion in sales) is beyond reasonable. Maybe you are familiar with the quote of Scott McNealy, the CEO of Sun Microsystems during the Dotcom bubble, who gave an interview a few years later:At 10 times revenues, to give you a 10-year payback, I have to pay you 100% of revenues for 10 straight years in dividends. That assumes I can get that by my shareholders. That assumes I have zero cost of goods sold, which is very hard for a computer company. That assumes zero expenses, which is really hard with 39,000 employees. That assumes I pay no taxes, which is very hard. And that assumes you pay no taxes on your dividends, which is kind of illegal. And that assumes with zero R&D for the next 10 years, I can maintain the current revenue run rate. Now, having done that, would any of you like to buy my stock at $64? Do you realize how ridiculous those basic assumptions are? You don’t need any transparency. You don’t need any footnotes. What were you thinking?Maybe we will read a similar statement about Palantir in a few years from now. Additionally, we always have to remember that McNealy was talking about a stock trading for 10 times sales, and we are talking about a stock trading for 100 times sales.Sparkline CapitalWhen looking back at some of the peak valuation multiples during the Dotcom bubble, we can conclude that 10 times sales was not as extreme as there were several companies trading for P/S ratios way above 100. But when looking at the valuation multiples today and focus on the S&P 500, there are no stocks trading for a P/S ratio above 100 and while there are 45 companies trading for a price-sales ratio above 10, no stock is coming close to Palantir. NVIDIA Corporation (NVDA) and CrowdStrike Holdings (CRWD) are trading for 30 times sales, and the Texas Pacific Land Corporation (TPL) is runner-up with a price-sales ratio of 45.Quarterly ResultsThe counterargument for high valuation multiples is usually explosive growth. In case of Palantir, I don’t want to deny that the business is growing with a high pace and growth is accelerating. When looking at the full-year results, revenue increased from $2,225 million in fiscal 2023 to $2,866 million in fiscal 2024 – resulting in 28.8% year-over-year growth. Income from operations increased even 159% year-over-year from $120.0 million in fiscal 2023 to $310.4 million in fiscal 2024. And diluted earnings per share increased from $0.09 in fiscal 2023 to $0.19 in fiscal 2024 – resulting in 111% bottom-line growth. Finally, adjusted free cash flow increased from $730.5 million in fiscal 2023 to $1,249 million in fiscal 2024.Palantir Q4/24 Earnings ReleaseWe can also look at fourth quarter results. Revenue increased from $608.4 million in Q4/23 to $827.5 million in Q4/24. Income from operations, however, declined from $65.8 million in the same quarter last year to $11.0 million in Q4/24. Diluted earnings per share declined from $0.04 in Q4/23 to $0.04 in Q4/24. And adjusted free cash flow in the fourth quarter increased 69.8% year-over-year from $304.8 million in Q4/23 to $517.4 million in Q4/24. The adjusted free cash flow margin improved from 50% in Q4/23 to 63% in Q4/24. The declining bottom line and declining operating income in the fourth quarter is mostly the result of much higher expenses for sales and marketing ($288 million compared to $197 million) and higher expenses for research and development ($109 million vs. $171.5 million this quarter).Accelerating GrowthAside from impressive results and high growth in fiscal 2024, we can also point out that growth is accelerating in the recent past. When looking at quarterly revenue growth in the last few years, Palantir has been growing with a higher pace at one point but since mid-2023, revenue growth accelerated from 12.8% YoY growth to 36% YoY growth right now.Data by YChartsHowever, growth will obviously not accelerate in 2025 anymore. For the full year, management is expecting revenue to be between $3,741 million and $3,757 million resulting in about 31.0% to 31.5% year-over-year growth. Adjusted free cash flow is projected to be between $1.5 billion and $1.7 billion resulting in 20% to 36% YoY growth.Palantir Q4/24 PresentationOf course, I don’t want to badmouth Palantir’s results and guidance and for the next ten years until fiscal 2034, analysts are expecting growth rates of 30% annually, which are extremely high growth rates.Palantir: Consensus EPS Estimates (Seeking Alpha)And aside from expecting high growth rates, analysts are getting more optimistic about revenue and earnings per share in the years to come. Especially in the recent past, analysts got more optimistic about earnings per share in the next few years.Palantir: Consensus EPS Revisions (Seeking Alpha)Intrinsic Value CalculationThe problem with these growth rates is quite simple: 36% revenue growth in Q4/24 and a CAGR of 30% for earnings per share in the next ten years are very impressive. But it is nowhere near enough to make Palantir fairly valued right now.In the following sections, we use a discount cash flow calculation to determine an intrinsic value. And for such a calculation we usually must make several assumptions. As a basis for our calculation, we take the midpoint of the guidance for fiscal 2025 ($1.6 billion in free cash flow). Additionally, we calculate with 2,528 million shares outstanding and as always, we are calculating with a 10% discount rate (as this is the annual return we like to achieve at least).When calculating with these assumptions, Palantir must grow 36% annually for the next ten years, followed by 6% growth until perpetuity. And we can look at these numbers a little closer and point out where the challenges might lie. For starters, 6% growth until perpetuity is considered too high and unreasonable by the CFI, which is recommending a terminal growth rate not higher than 4%. But let’s be optimistic and assume Palantir can grow at a high pace for a long time.Data by YChartsA second problem is one I mentioned several times in the past, but it needs to be addressed again. Palantir is continuing to dilute its shares outstanding and in fiscal 2024 the number of diluted shares increased by 7.2% once again and to offset such a dilution, Palantir must grow its bottom line 43% annually for the next ten years.Bottom line growth can usually stem from many different sources – share buybacks, margin improvement or top line growth. Share buybacks are nothing we should talk about right now. A second way to grow bottom line is by improving margins. And while we can certainly argue that operating margin has room to improve, gross margin is already high. But what is most important is the free cash flow margin, which is already 40%. And while we can always be optimistic and assume higher margins, we should be cautious about how optimistic we are. Palantir’s free cash flow guidance for fiscal 2025 is already assuming a free cash flow margin of 45% (on the upper end).Data by YChartsIn my opinion, we should not bet on margin improvements to contribute to bottom line growth. We should rather be a little cautious if Palantir can maintain a 45% free cash flow margin over the long run. Such a margin is certainly possible, but we should not take it for granted.This leaves mostly the top line, which must contribute to growth. And despite reasons to be optimistic, I don’t know if we should really expect growth rates between 40% and 45% for the next 10 years. Once again, it is possible, but it is not a bet I am willing to take, and I believe the risk of losing a lot of money in the next few years is high.Sentiment, Psychology, and CorrectionBefore we come to an end and conclude once again that Palantir is extremely overvalued, we must talk about something else. How is it possible that people have made a lot of money when Palantir is extremely overvalued? And: Why is Palantir continuing to rise and rise when it is so extremely overvalued?For example, if someone had bought close to the low of $6 in late 2022, the position gained 1,850% in a little more than two years. And even those that bought half a year ago – at a point where I already argue that Palantir is extremely overvalued – the profits were still impressive. And bulls will probably argue that I (and many others) just have to accept that the bearish position was wrong because the stock price, and bulls making money is the best proof of the bulls being right all along.The answer is very simple: Sentiment is driving the stock market and therefore stock prices, which are not justified in any way from a fundamental point of view, are possible for a long time – sometimes even several years or longer. But at some point, these “inconsistencies” will always (!) be resolved. The “problem” is that extreme overvaluation can be solved in several ways.One way and the most common ways is a crash of the stock price. Extreme overvaluation of a stock or index is usually followed by a very steep decline. In this scenario, those investors buying at a high price or close to the top will lose a lot of money. These are crashes we remember – like the Dotcom bubble, the Great Financial Crisis or many stocks belonging to the Nifty Fifty.Exemplary chart data created with Python script (Author's work)But there is a second way. Extreme overvaluation can also be resolved by a stock stagnating for several years (or maybe even decades). In this scenario, the stock price is remaining at the same level, but with fundamentals continuing to improve – revenue and free cash flow increase – the valuation multiples decline until the stock is reasonably valued and can continue its increase.Exemplary chart data created with Python script (Author's work)And there is a third way, which is the most dangerous, as it tells investors they were right all along buying Palantir for 100 times sales. For companies growing at a high pace (and Palantir is falling into that category) it is possible that the stock price is growing at a slower pace than fundamentals. Palantir can, for example, grow its free cash flow 25% annually for the next ten years while the stock price is growing only 5% or 8% annually. This will also resolve the high valuation over time. Similar to a beautiful deleveraging Ray Dalio is describing, this would be the scenario of a “beautiful bubble burst”. In this scenario, investors will not make a lot of money, but they also won’t have the feeling of having invested in an extremely overvalued stock.Predicting which path a stock will go seems almost impossible, and therefore buying Palantir at this point is extremely risky (to avoid stronger terms here). Of course, there are scenarios where investors might not lose money as the stock continues to increase. However – and this is important – the stock is still not a good investment, as the stock climbs very slowly. In the end, fundamentals matter.ConclusionEven with a theoretical scenario in which investors in Palantir could make a little money over the next decade, the stock is extremely overvalued and in the wide range of potential investments in the United States it is very close to the bottom with zero or negative potential returns. The most likely scenario is Palantir declining steeply in the next few years as it is becoming more difficult to justify the current stock price. And therefore, the only rating making sense right now is a “Strong Sell” rating.","news_type":1,"symbols_score_info":{"PLTR":1.1}},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":1551,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":404450793452168,"gmtCreate":1739766856301,"gmtModify":1739769612009,"author":{"id":"3557891754083819","authorId":"3557891754083819","name":"WolfMyFren","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/9c997f2483bc522379c036e25e760fe0","crmLevel":12,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"authorIdStr":"3557891754083819","idStr":"3557891754083819"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"Nah, it will definitely drop but it wont&nbsp;crash amd burn.Its a good stock","listText":"Nah, it will definitely drop but it wont&nbsp;crash amd burn.Its a good stock","text":"Nah, it will definitely drop but it wont crash amd burn.Its a good stock","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/404450793452168","repostId":"2511678817","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"2511678817","kind":"highlight","pubTimestamp":1739763318,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/2511678817?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2025-02-17 11:35","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Palantir Stock Is Up 585% Since Early 2024. History Is Clear About What Happens Next","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2511678817","media":"Motley Fool","summary":"Palantir's share price has skyrocketed 585% since January 2024 amid strong demand for its artificial intelligence platform.Palantir's forward price-to-sales  ratio currentlyexceeds 55, making it one of the most expensive software stocks of the past decade.Only a few software stocks achieved a forward PS ratio above 40 in the past decade, and all of them eventually declined by at least 70%.","content":"<div>\n<p>Palantir's share price has skyrocketed 585% since January 2024 amid strong demand for its artificial intelligence platform.Palantir's forward price-to-sales (PS) ratio currentlyexceeds 55, making it ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://www.fool.com/investing/2025/02/15/palantir-stock-up-585-history-what-happens-next/\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n","source":"fool_stock","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Palantir Stock Is Up 585% Since Early 2024. 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The stock has rocketed higher on the news, such that its total return since January 2024 now stands at 585%.Palantir was the best-performing member of the S&P 500 during that period. In fact, it beat the next closest stock by 250 percentage points. But Palantir is now one of the most expensive software stocks in history, and there is little questions about what happens next: One way or another, it's valuation is going to fall.Palantir is one of the most expensive software stocks of the past decadeBrent Thill at Jefferies in a recent CNBC interview praised Palantir for strong execution in the fourth quarter. But he also noted the stock has a forward price-to-sales (PS) ratio above 55, a valuation that few software companies have ever achieved and no company has ever maintained. To clarify, the forward PS ratio equals the market value divided by the forecasted revenue from the next year.My own research led to the same conclusion. After looking at more than 50 software stocks over the last decade, here's what I found:Only five software companies (excluding Palantir) achieved a forward PS ratio above 40: Asana, Confluent, Snowflake, UiPath, and Unity Software.Only Snowflake achieved a forward PS ratio over 50. The stock peaked just shy of 60 times forward sales in November 2021.After hitting their peak valuations, all five stocks fell more than 50% in the next 12 months. Additionally, they ultimately suffered maximum declines exceeding 70%, and they are still at least 50% below their record highs today.Palantir has a forward PS multiple of 56 as of Feb. 13. Snowflake is the only other software company in the last decade (to my knowledge) to achieve a higher valuation multiple, and its stock crashed after peaking near 60 time forward sales. That is particularly worrisome because Snowflake's revenue was growing faster than 100% when it hit that valuation multiple.Comparatively, Palantir's trailing-12-month (TTM) revenue increased just 29% in 2024, and Wall Street expects revenue to increase just 32% in 2025. Meanwhile, Palantir shares have advanced 585% since January 2024, putting upward pressure on its valuation multiple. As a result, it is now one of the most expensive software stocks in history.That does not mean Palantir is headed for a reckoning anytime soon. However, every available data point suggests its forward PS multiple is headed much lower in the future, and there are only three ways that can happen: Wall Street analysts raise their revenue forecasts significantly, Palantir shares decline sharply, or some combination of the two.Palantir is an excellent business, but a very risky stock at its current priceThe International Data Corporation (IDC) recently ranked Palantir as the market leader in decision intelligence software. And Forrester Research has recognized the company as a technology leader in artificial intelligence platforms, awarding its AIP product higher scores than similar solutions from Alphabet's Google, Amazon, and Microsoft.That puts Palantir in a good position. IDC estimates AI platform spending will grow at 40% annually through 2028. So, the company has very compelling growth prospects. However, not even the best business is worth buying at any price. Palantir's forward PS multiple is an alarm bell that shouldn't be ignored.Instead, current shareholders should consider selling down their positions, particularly if Palantir accounts for a large percentage of their portfolio. Similarly, prospective investors should keep the stock on their watchlists for now. I think much better buying opportunities will arise in the future.For instance, even though Snowflake is currently 52% off its record high, the stock is also 77% above its record low. So, investors have had plenty of opportunities to make money on Snowflake since its sharp decline in early 2022. The same is likely true of Palantir. The key is waiting for the right price, rather than chasing a stock with an alarmingly high valuation.","news_type":1,"symbols_score_info":{"PLTR":1.1}},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":1804,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":399148348338760,"gmtCreate":1738473355939,"gmtModify":1738473359972,"author":{"id":"3557891754083819","authorId":"3557891754083819","name":"WolfMyFren","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/9c997f2483bc522379c036e25e760fe0","crmLevel":12,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"authorIdStr":"3557891754083819","idStr":"3557891754083819"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"I dont share the same thoughts as you .Basically tesla is core&nbsp; EV&nbsp; car business, but i believe that its lithium batteries are gaining momentum., and increasing its profits year afteryear. I certainly believe that sector can easily contribute the same amt of contribution&nbsp; as compare to EV contribution in 4 to 5 years time","listText":"I dont share the same thoughts as you .Basically tesla is core&nbsp; EV&nbsp; car business, but i believe that its lithium batteries are gaining momentum., and increasing its profits year afteryear. I certainly believe that sector can easily contribute the same amt of contribution&nbsp; as compare to EV contribution in 4 to 5 years time","text":"I dont share the same thoughts as you .Basically tesla is core EV car business, but i believe that its lithium batteries are gaining momentum., and increasing its profits year afteryear. I certainly believe that sector can easily contribute the same amt of contribution as compare to EV contribution in 4 to 5 years time","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":2,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/399148348338760","repostId":"1175504218","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"1175504218","kind":"news","pubTimestamp":1738476351,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/1175504218?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2025-02-02 14:05","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Tesla: Once Again, It's Time To Trim","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1175504218","media":"Seeking Alpha","summary":"Let's dive in.Our Tesla FrameworkIn case you missed our earlier articles on TSLA, here's a quick summary of how we see the stock. Normally, we'd skip writing a section like this, but TSLA is a very volatile, speculative bet, and many investors look at the financials and see entirely different things. Thus, we think it's necessary, first, to establish how we think about the company.In short, we see TSLA as an advanced manufacturing firm, mostly producing cars. Sure, TSLA also manufactures batteri","content":"<html><head></head><body><h2 id=\"id_2350035770\">Summary</h2><ul style=\"\"><li><p>We initially rated Tesla, Inc. stock a Sell in November 2023 due to slowing growth and a lofty valuation. From there, the stock fell 31%.</p></li><li><p>Then, we upgraded Tesla in April 2024 after the market appeared too negative on shares. Since, the stock has risen 126%, driven by speculation around Robotaxis and autonomous driving.</p></li><li><p>Now, Tesla appears overvalued again. We recommend trimming TSLA from your portfolio due to overly optimistic projections around “future products”.</p></li><li><p>We&#39;re downgrading TSLA to a Sell.</p></li></ul><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/cdc1cd3d3c3dd57b72a9ddb8d4037dbd\" alt=\"White cyborg robotic hand pointing his finger - 3D rendering isolated on free PNG background.\" title=\"White cyborg robotic hand pointing his finger - 3D rendering isolated on free PNG background.\" tg-width=\"750\" tg-height=\"500\"/><span>White cyborg robotic hand pointing his finger - 3D rendering isolated on free PNG background.</span></p><p></p><p>Of all the stocks we&#39;ve covered here on Seeking Alpha, we&#39;re particularly proud of our track record when it comes to <strong>Tesla, Inc.</strong> (NASDAQ:TSLA).</p><p>Our coverage began on the stock in November 2023, when we called the stock a <strong>Sell</strong> based on the company&#39;s slowing growth and lack of progress on key initiatives. At the time, the multiple seemed a bit rich for the company&#39;s output, so we came out as bears:</p><ul style=\"\"><li><p>Tesla: The Range Of Outcomes Is Narrowing; That&#39;s A Bad Thing.</p></li></ul><p>From that point, the stock <strong>fell roughly 31%</strong>, until we upgraded it on April 9th, 2024.</p><p>At that point, shares seemed unduly beat up, in our view, and we upgraded TSLA:</p><ul style=\"\"><li><p>Tesla: When The Time Comes To Buy, You Won&#39;t Want To (Rating Upgrade).</p></li></ul><p>Since then, the stock is <strong>back up roughly 126%</strong>, in which time we put out another bullish article about Robotaxis, arguing that speculation around future gains in autonomous driving and Optimus could drive continued appreciation for investors:</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/5581c8a7e68cb36fb694d47a44ae5139\" alt=\"TSLA\" title=\"TSLA\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"412\"/><span>TSLA</span></p><p></p><p>All of this is to say that we feel like we have a “good bead” on the company&#39;s valuation and business dynamics.</p><p>From that frame, we feel that the stock has once again become &#39;too expensive&#39;, and it appears as though it could be time, once again, to trim.</p><p><strong>Today</strong>, we&#39;ll cover the recent earnings report, examine the stock&#39;s lofty valuation, and explain why, on balance, we think it&#39;s time to begin pruning TSLA out of your portfolio — at least for now.</p><p>Sound good? Let&#39;s dive in.</p><h2 id=\"id_4071302040\">Our Tesla Framework</h2><p>In case you missed our earlier articles on TSLA, here&#39;s a quick summary of how we see the stock. Normally, we&#39;d skip writing a section like this, but TSLA is a very volatile, <strong>speculative</strong> bet, and many investors look at the financials and see entirely different things. Thus, we think it&#39;s necessary, first, to establish how we think about the company.</p><p>In short, we see TSLA as an advanced manufacturing firm, <strong>mostly</strong> producing cars. Sure, TSLA also manufactures batteries and other components in its <strong>Energy</strong> segment, but at its heart, the firm is an automotive company.</p><p>Why? Because this is where most of TSLA&#39;s financial results are derived. A massive chunk of the company&#39;s revenues come from the automotive segment, which means that this is a natural point of comparison for analysts:</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/93a2427e63efa5746b2965c9ceb9e2e4\" alt=\"TSLA\" title=\"TSLA\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"80\"/><span>TSLA</span></p><p></p><p>Thus, when contrasted with competitors, Tesla&#39;s $1.3 trillion valuation can be very challenging to comprehend.</p><p>In our view, this valuation difference vs. peers is largely down to TSLA&#39;s “upcoming” product launches, mainly <strong>full self-drive (“FSD”) &amp; Robotaxis</strong>, and <strong>Optimus</strong> (the robot):</p><blockquote><p></p><p>A significant portion of Tesla&#39;s current value is tied to higher margin, non-automotive, [&#39;future&#39;] products like Robotaxi, Dojo, and Optimus.</p><p>We&#39;d estimate that about 80% of TSLA&#39;s &#39;future product&#39; value is perceived to be in the Robotaxi segment, as it is the closest to &#39;production&#39; and the most natural extension of TSLA&#39;s current business.</p><p>If you take this estimate at face value, then it means [robotaxis are] likely incredibly consequential for <strong>~65% of TSLA&#39;s market cap </strong>or about $500 billion in shareholder value.</p></blockquote><p>This estimate was from October. Since then, TSLA has rallied more than 60% while financial results have largely remained flat, which signals that basically <strong>all of this appreciation</strong> has been due to <strong>investors assigning a higher multiple</strong> to these future product launches.</p><p>For TSLA, we see two main camps within the analyst community. There are those that see the stock as a purely “car” company (and thus, overvalued), and those that see it as an advanced manufacturer of the future, including automated cars, robots, software, energy solutions, and more (which would make it undervalued).</p><p>We sit somewhere in the middle. TSLA is clearly an automotive company right now, but if the company can execute — which they have proven that they can — then there could be significantly more value that gets unlocked for investors in coming years.</p><p>As sentiment around the company shifts, our “middle of the road” understanding gives us a leg up in identifying when things &#39;extend&#39; too far in one direction or the other, which is precisely what we think we see right now.</p><h2 id=\"id_2739569595\">Tesla&#39;s Q4</h2><p>Looking at the most recent quarter, Tesla turned in what most are collectively calling a “stinker.”</p><p>Revenue came in as a massive miss, and the firm&#39;s top-line growth also left much to be desired. EPS also came in below expectations, albeit slightly.</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/c450991d7c204335d448252a6501dcd8\" alt=\"TSLA\" title=\"TSLA\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"389\"/><span>TSLA</span></p><p></p><p>All in all, it was a pretty dismal showing.</p><p>Of particular note was the company&#39;s considerable drop in TTM net income, which is largely due to TSLA&#39;s car pricing strategy (cutting) having a continued impact on margins:</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/ab5185ab57962b8842cdd2391d696294\" alt=\"TSLA\" title=\"TSLA\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"410\"/><span>TSLA</span></p><p></p><p>These tactical pricing changes are meant to keep TSLA car volumes up, but it has put serious pressure on gross margins over time.</p><p>In other words, <strong>competition</strong> is heating up, materializing, and eating into investor&#39;s bottom-line returns:</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/2c65e31186dd1af096afe7c1045b3cba\" alt=\"TSLA\" title=\"TSLA\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"302\"/><span>TSLA</span></p><p></p><p>For much of TSLA&#39;s run over the last 5 years, many bulls have argued that the company&#39;s product was differentiated enough to warrant a higher multiple, on the back of structurally higher margins. However, now, this doesn&#39;t appear to be the case.</p><p>Granted, some decline in TTM net income is from the drop-off of a positive Q4 in 2023 which had a huge, unusual tax item, but even adjusted for that, TSLA&#39;s <strong>net income is still down double-digit percentages</strong>.</p><p>Trump&#39;s cutting of EV incentives only presents further headwinds to the business.</p><p>Similarly, TSLA&#39;s profitability would be down <strong>even more</strong> without Bitcoin. As we can see from the 10K, a material percentage of TSLA&#39;s $7.1 billion in net income is from an increase in the fair value of the firm&#39;s total Bitcoin holdings (emphasis added):</p><blockquote><p>Other income (expense), net, changed favorably by <strong>$523 million</strong> in the year ended December 31, 2024 as compared to the year ended December 31, 2023 primarily due to remeasurement of our bitcoin digital assets to fair value in 2024.</p></blockquote><p>Overall, it&#39;s not a pretty picture for the core business.</p><p>Bulls might say that these pricing headwinds are transient, or that the consumer environment is cyclical, but we&#39;d counter by saying <strong>hey, that&#39;s the car business</strong>.</p><p>In other words, maybe Tesla <em>isn&#39;t</em> that different from competitors when it comes to making and selling cars.</p><h2 id=\"id_3009924548\">The Valuation</h2><p>But what is Tesla worth?</p><p>If you slap on car industry averages to Tesla&#39;s financial results, then you&#39;re looking at a P/E of ~7x and a P/S of roughly 0.6x:</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/816000a0e759e7a6c468d88f42c1758c\" alt=\"TSLA\" title=\"TSLA\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"176\"/><span>TSLA</span></p><p></p><p>This would output a market cap between roughly ~$49 billion and ~$57 billion. Considering the current market cap of <strong><em>$1.28 trillion</em></strong>, the market clearly doesn&#39;t agree with this framing.</p><p>Looking now at the earnings call, TSLA management heavily, <strong>heavily</strong> focused on the company&#39;s future product lines — mainly Optimus and robotaxis (emphasis added):</p><blockquote><p></p><p>We made many critical investments in 2024 in manufacturing AI and robotics that will bear <strong>immense</strong> fruit in the future, <strong>immense</strong>.</p><p>Like it&#39;s, in fact, to such a scale that it is difficult to comprehend. And I&#39;ve said this before, and I&#39;ll stand by it. I see a path, I&#39;m not saying it&#39;s an easy path, but I see a path for <strong>Tesla being the most valuable company in the world by far</strong>, not even close.</p><p>Like, maybe several times more than, I mean, there is a path where <strong>Tesla is worth more than the next top five companies combined</strong>. There&#39;s a path to that. I mean, I think it&#39;s like an incredibly, just like a difficult path, but it is an achievable path.</p><p>So -- and that is overwhelmingly due to <strong>autonomous vehicles</strong> and autonomous <strong>humanoid robots</strong>.</p></blockquote><p>What a sales pitch!</p><p>To us, <strong>this</strong> makes Tesla&#39;s <em>story</em> “clear.” For investors, this is clearly where the value is coming from. The core business isn&#39;t growing much anymore as the market saturates and competition heats up — fine.</p><p>However, the company&#39;s balance sheet is strong, and as long as there&#39;s serious potential in TSLA&#39;s new businesses, then the stock gets the premium.</p><p>From this point, it&#39;s a “show me” story.</p><p>For our money, investors are too optimistic about this future.</p><p>In our previous article, we laid out what an <strong>incredibly</strong> optimistic bull case for what Robotaxis could be worth, assuming that they launched this year:</p><blockquote><p></p><p>In this model, adoption is slow to start, but quickly scales as users join the network and make their idle Teslas earn while they sleep.</p><p>Again, the demand is the real constraint here, but given the likely lower cost of automated ride hail, it should prove popular with cost-conscious consumers:</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/b20aed07e35218fcce1a3d01c41ccfb0\" alt=\"TSLA\" title=\"TSLA\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"199\"/><span>TSLA</span></p><p style=\"text-align: left;\"><strong>PropNotes</strong></p><p>In this scenario, we see TSLA earning more per ride, and with a larger network of supply and demand under their control.</p><p>This scenario would represent a 60% upside for the NPV of the robotaxi segment (at a 4% discount rate), which works out to roughly 37% upside for TSLA&#39;s stock.</p><p>This works out to a share price of roughly <strong>$345 per share</strong>.</p></blockquote><p>Under this optimistic scenario, robotaxis launch immediately and gain market share quickly. In that case, we&#39;d argue Tesla is maybe worth $345 per share. Currently, the stock is trading at around $400, and robotaxis aren&#39;t expected until June, in a single city (Austin).</p><p>To us, this shows undue optimism, part of which may be caused by statements like this from management around the new product lines (emphasis added):</p><blockquote><p></p><p>I&#39;ve -- some of these things I&#39;ve said for quite a long time and I know people said, well, Elon is the boy who cried wolf-like several times but I&#39;m telling you there&#39;s a damn wolf this time and you can drive it. In fact, it can drive you. <strong>It&#39;s a self-driving wolf</strong>.</p><p>These things that already exist with no incremental cost change, just a software update, now have five times or more utility than they currently have. I think this will be the <strong>largest asset value increase in human history</strong>. Maybe there&#39;s something bigger, but I just don&#39;t know what it is. And so people who look in the rearview mirror are looking for past precedent, except I don&#39;t think there is one.</p><p>I think long-term, Optimus will be -- Optimus has the potential to be north of <strong><em>$10 trillion in revenue</em></strong>. Like, it&#39;s really bananas.</p></blockquote><p>All told, we don&#39;t expect that within a few years&#39; time, TSLA will be raking in 1/10th of global GDP in revenues on a single product alone.</p><h2 id=\"id_3741566877\">Summary</h2><p>Thus, we come to our summary of Tesla.</p><p>At this price, there&#39;s potentially significant value in the company&#39;s future projects, as the market has shown, but at present, the valuation of those projects appears too speculative.</p><p>Overall, this mispricing means that investors should consider selling out of their stakes and waiting to buy lower. If the past is anything to go by, you&#39;ll get your chance to do just that.</p><p>Cheers!</p></body></html>","source":"lsy1728464409321","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Tesla: Once Again, It's Time To Trim</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nTesla: Once Again, It's Time To Trim\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2025-02-02 14:05 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://seekingalpha.com/article/4753962-tesla-once-again-time-to-trim-double-rating-downgrade><strong>Seeking Alpha</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>SummaryWe initially rated Tesla, Inc. stock a Sell in November 2023 due to slowing growth and a lofty valuation. From there, the stock fell 31%.Then, we upgraded Tesla in April 2024 after the market ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4753962-tesla-once-again-time-to-trim-double-rating-downgrade\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"TSLA":"特斯拉"},"source_url":"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4753962-tesla-once-again-time-to-trim-double-rating-downgrade","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1175504218","content_text":"SummaryWe initially rated Tesla, Inc. stock a Sell in November 2023 due to slowing growth and a lofty valuation. From there, the stock fell 31%.Then, we upgraded Tesla in April 2024 after the market appeared too negative on shares. Since, the stock has risen 126%, driven by speculation around Robotaxis and autonomous driving.Now, Tesla appears overvalued again. We recommend trimming TSLA from your portfolio due to overly optimistic projections around “future products”.We're downgrading TSLA to a Sell.White cyborg robotic hand pointing his finger - 3D rendering isolated on free PNG background.Of all the stocks we've covered here on Seeking Alpha, we're particularly proud of our track record when it comes to Tesla, Inc. (NASDAQ:TSLA).Our coverage began on the stock in November 2023, when we called the stock a Sell based on the company's slowing growth and lack of progress on key initiatives. At the time, the multiple seemed a bit rich for the company's output, so we came out as bears:Tesla: The Range Of Outcomes Is Narrowing; That's A Bad Thing.From that point, the stock fell roughly 31%, until we upgraded it on April 9th, 2024.At that point, shares seemed unduly beat up, in our view, and we upgraded TSLA:Tesla: When The Time Comes To Buy, You Won't Want To (Rating Upgrade).Since then, the stock is back up roughly 126%, in which time we put out another bullish article about Robotaxis, arguing that speculation around future gains in autonomous driving and Optimus could drive continued appreciation for investors:TSLAAll of this is to say that we feel like we have a “good bead” on the company's valuation and business dynamics.From that frame, we feel that the stock has once again become 'too expensive', and it appears as though it could be time, once again, to trim.Today, we'll cover the recent earnings report, examine the stock's lofty valuation, and explain why, on balance, we think it's time to begin pruning TSLA out of your portfolio — at least for now.Sound good? Let's dive in.Our Tesla FrameworkIn case you missed our earlier articles on TSLA, here's a quick summary of how we see the stock. Normally, we'd skip writing a section like this, but TSLA is a very volatile, speculative bet, and many investors look at the financials and see entirely different things. Thus, we think it's necessary, first, to establish how we think about the company.In short, we see TSLA as an advanced manufacturing firm, mostly producing cars. Sure, TSLA also manufactures batteries and other components in its Energy segment, but at its heart, the firm is an automotive company.Why? Because this is where most of TSLA's financial results are derived. A massive chunk of the company's revenues come from the automotive segment, which means that this is a natural point of comparison for analysts:TSLAThus, when contrasted with competitors, Tesla's $1.3 trillion valuation can be very challenging to comprehend.In our view, this valuation difference vs. peers is largely down to TSLA's “upcoming” product launches, mainly full self-drive (“FSD”) & Robotaxis, and Optimus (the robot):A significant portion of Tesla's current value is tied to higher margin, non-automotive, ['future'] products like Robotaxi, Dojo, and Optimus.We'd estimate that about 80% of TSLA's 'future product' value is perceived to be in the Robotaxi segment, as it is the closest to 'production' and the most natural extension of TSLA's current business.If you take this estimate at face value, then it means [robotaxis are] likely incredibly consequential for ~65% of TSLA's market cap or about $500 billion in shareholder value.This estimate was from October. Since then, TSLA has rallied more than 60% while financial results have largely remained flat, which signals that basically all of this appreciation has been due to investors assigning a higher multiple to these future product launches.For TSLA, we see two main camps within the analyst community. There are those that see the stock as a purely “car” company (and thus, overvalued), and those that see it as an advanced manufacturer of the future, including automated cars, robots, software, energy solutions, and more (which would make it undervalued).We sit somewhere in the middle. TSLA is clearly an automotive company right now, but if the company can execute — which they have proven that they can — then there could be significantly more value that gets unlocked for investors in coming years.As sentiment around the company shifts, our “middle of the road” understanding gives us a leg up in identifying when things 'extend' too far in one direction or the other, which is precisely what we think we see right now.Tesla's Q4Looking at the most recent quarter, Tesla turned in what most are collectively calling a “stinker.”Revenue came in as a massive miss, and the firm's top-line growth also left much to be desired. EPS also came in below expectations, albeit slightly.TSLAAll in all, it was a pretty dismal showing.Of particular note was the company's considerable drop in TTM net income, which is largely due to TSLA's car pricing strategy (cutting) having a continued impact on margins:TSLAThese tactical pricing changes are meant to keep TSLA car volumes up, but it has put serious pressure on gross margins over time.In other words, competition is heating up, materializing, and eating into investor's bottom-line returns:TSLAFor much of TSLA's run over the last 5 years, many bulls have argued that the company's product was differentiated enough to warrant a higher multiple, on the back of structurally higher margins. However, now, this doesn't appear to be the case.Granted, some decline in TTM net income is from the drop-off of a positive Q4 in 2023 which had a huge, unusual tax item, but even adjusted for that, TSLA's net income is still down double-digit percentages.Trump's cutting of EV incentives only presents further headwinds to the business.Similarly, TSLA's profitability would be down even more without Bitcoin. As we can see from the 10K, a material percentage of TSLA's $7.1 billion in net income is from an increase in the fair value of the firm's total Bitcoin holdings (emphasis added):Other income (expense), net, changed favorably by $523 million in the year ended December 31, 2024 as compared to the year ended December 31, 2023 primarily due to remeasurement of our bitcoin digital assets to fair value in 2024.Overall, it's not a pretty picture for the core business.Bulls might say that these pricing headwinds are transient, or that the consumer environment is cyclical, but we'd counter by saying hey, that's the car business.In other words, maybe Tesla isn't that different from competitors when it comes to making and selling cars.The ValuationBut what is Tesla worth?If you slap on car industry averages to Tesla's financial results, then you're looking at a P/E of ~7x and a P/S of roughly 0.6x:TSLAThis would output a market cap between roughly ~$49 billion and ~$57 billion. Considering the current market cap of $1.28 trillion, the market clearly doesn't agree with this framing.Looking now at the earnings call, TSLA management heavily, heavily focused on the company's future product lines — mainly Optimus and robotaxis (emphasis added):We made many critical investments in 2024 in manufacturing AI and robotics that will bear immense fruit in the future, immense.Like it's, in fact, to such a scale that it is difficult to comprehend. And I've said this before, and I'll stand by it. I see a path, I'm not saying it's an easy path, but I see a path for Tesla being the most valuable company in the world by far, not even close.Like, maybe several times more than, I mean, there is a path where Tesla is worth more than the next top five companies combined. There's a path to that. I mean, I think it's like an incredibly, just like a difficult path, but it is an achievable path.So -- and that is overwhelmingly due to autonomous vehicles and autonomous humanoid robots.What a sales pitch!To us, this makes Tesla's story “clear.” For investors, this is clearly where the value is coming from. The core business isn't growing much anymore as the market saturates and competition heats up — fine.However, the company's balance sheet is strong, and as long as there's serious potential in TSLA's new businesses, then the stock gets the premium.From this point, it's a “show me” story.For our money, investors are too optimistic about this future.In our previous article, we laid out what an incredibly optimistic bull case for what Robotaxis could be worth, assuming that they launched this year:In this model, adoption is slow to start, but quickly scales as users join the network and make their idle Teslas earn while they sleep.Again, the demand is the real constraint here, but given the likely lower cost of automated ride hail, it should prove popular with cost-conscious consumers:TSLAPropNotesIn this scenario, we see TSLA earning more per ride, and with a larger network of supply and demand under their control.This scenario would represent a 60% upside for the NPV of the robotaxi segment (at a 4% discount rate), which works out to roughly 37% upside for TSLA's stock.This works out to a share price of roughly $345 per share.Under this optimistic scenario, robotaxis launch immediately and gain market share quickly. In that case, we'd argue Tesla is maybe worth $345 per share. Currently, the stock is trading at around $400, and robotaxis aren't expected until June, in a single city (Austin).To us, this shows undue optimism, part of which may be caused by statements like this from management around the new product lines (emphasis added):I've -- some of these things I've said for quite a long time and I know people said, well, Elon is the boy who cried wolf-like several times but I'm telling you there's a damn wolf this time and you can drive it. In fact, it can drive you. It's a self-driving wolf.These things that already exist with no incremental cost change, just a software update, now have five times or more utility than they currently have. I think this will be the largest asset value increase in human history. Maybe there's something bigger, but I just don't know what it is. And so people who look in the rearview mirror are looking for past precedent, except I don't think there is one.I think long-term, Optimus will be -- Optimus has the potential to be north of $10 trillion in revenue. Like, it's really bananas.All told, we don't expect that within a few years' time, TSLA will be raking in 1/10th of global GDP in revenues on a single product alone.SummaryThus, we come to our summary of Tesla.At this price, there's potentially significant value in the company's future projects, as the market has shown, but at present, the valuation of those projects appears too speculative.Overall, this mispricing means that investors should consider selling out of their stakes and waiting to buy lower. 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The stock is down 8.2% in January, as of its last close, putting it on track for its biggest one-month decline since September 2023. It has dropped more than 11% from a December peak.The company was downgraded to hold at Loop Capital and cut to underperform at Jefferies, which became a rare firm with the equivalent of a sell rating on the stock. Just 8.5% of the analysts tracked by Bloomberg have a bearish rating, while about 63% have the equivalent of a buy.Jefferies analyst Edison Lee writes that recent weakness in iPhone sales has been worse than expected, with the China market a particular concern. Independent research indicates that iPhone sales sank 18.2% in China during the December quarter, while global unit sales fell about 5% in the final quarter of last year amid higher China competition.Citing a third-party survey, Lee added that “US consumers do not yet find smartphone AI useful,” meaning that it is “unlikely to kickstart a super upgrade cycle anytime soon.” Given these trends, he wrote, Apple’s March quarter guidance could disappoint.Concurrently, Loop also cite concerns on iPhone weakness, expecting a “material iPhone demand reduction” beginning in the March quarter “but materially amplifying” in the subsequent two quarters. While the drivers of the firm’s former buy rating could still materialize, analyst Ananda Baruah wrote, “it certainly won’t be for the next nine months given we’re on the front end of 2.5 Q’s of materially softening iPhone demand.”Apple is scheduled to report its first-quarter results next week.With the downgrades, Apple’s recommendation consensus — a proxy for the ratio of buy, hold, and sell ratings — stands at 4.02 out of five, its lowest since May, and down from an August peak of about 4.3. Just over 60% of the analysts tracked by Bloomberg recommend buying the stock, a rate well below other megacap tech stocks, where the percentage of buy ratings tops 80% or even 90%.MoffettNathanson downgraded the stock earlier this month, citing concerns in China and the stock’s valuation.","news_type":1,"symbols_score_info":{"AAPL":1}},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":1866,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":394451897291240,"gmtCreate":1737340990102,"gmtModify":1737340993568,"author":{"id":"3557891754083819","authorId":"3557891754083819","name":"WolfMyFren","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/9c997f2483bc522379c036e25e760fe0","crmLevel":12,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"authorIdStr":"3557891754083819","idStr":"3557891754083819"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"<a href=\"https://ttm.financial/S/D05.SI\">$DBS Group Holdings(D05.SI)$&nbsp;</a><v-v data-views=\"1\"></v-v>&nbsp;","listText":"<a href=\"https://ttm.financial/S/D05.SI\">$DBS Group Holdings(D05.SI)$&nbsp;</a><v-v data-views=\"1\"></v-v>&nbsp;","text":"$DBS Group Holdings(D05.SI)$","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/394451897291240","isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":1803,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":394459107140032,"gmtCreate":1737340719297,"gmtModify":1737341224305,"author":{"id":"3557891754083819","authorId":"3557891754083819","name":"WolfMyFren","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/9c997f2483bc522379c036e25e760fe0","crmLevel":12,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"authorIdStr":"3557891754083819","idStr":"3557891754083819"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"Yeahhh, Donald trump.New head start","listText":"Yeahhh, Donald trump.New head start","text":"Yeahhh, Donald trump.New head start","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/394459107140032","repostId":"1165252205","repostType":2,"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":1271,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":393209569775736,"gmtCreate":1737020311443,"gmtModify":1737020421391,"author":{"id":"3557891754083819","authorId":"3557891754083819","name":"WolfMyFren","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/9c997f2483bc522379c036e25e760fe0","crmLevel":12,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"authorIdStr":"3557891754083819","idStr":"3557891754083819"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"Tesla is not jus EV company just to&nbsp;remind&nbsp; to those keep harping that it is.Seems like there alot of tesla / elon musk haters","listText":"Tesla is not jus EV company just to&nbsp;remind&nbsp; to those keep harping that it is.Seems like there alot of tesla / elon musk haters","text":"Tesla is not jus EV company just to remind to those keep harping that it is.Seems like there alot of tesla / elon musk haters","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/393209569775736","repostId":"2503629443","repostType":2,"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":1405,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":384684035973592,"gmtCreate":1734956919830,"gmtModify":1734958707733,"author":{"id":"3557891754083819","authorId":"3557891754083819","name":"WolfMyFren","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/9c997f2483bc522379c036e25e760fe0","crmLevel":12,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"authorIdStr":"3557891754083819","idStr":"3557891754083819"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"Rise , tesla more than the a EV company. 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Additionally, electric vehicle sales growth has slowed as momentum in the sector seems to be plateauing now that early adopters have already purchased an EV, and EV stocks have struggled in general this year.Through Oct. 23, the stock was down 14% year to date, underperforming the S&P 500, which had gained 21%, by a wide margin, as the chart below shows.TSLA data by YChartsHowever, since then, the stock has been on fire. The company first impressed investors with its third-quarter earnings report, which showed strong profit growth, and CEO Elon Musk predicted that vehicle production would increase by 20% to 30% in 2025, a significant improvement from flat growth in 2024.Then, Tesla soared following the election as Musk's big bet on Trump seemed to pay off. Investors seem to be hopeful that the Trump administration will make it easier for Tesla to roll out its new Cybercab, also known as the robotaxi. Tesla is also planning to launch an affordably priced Model Q at under $30,000 in the first half of 2025. As you can see from the chart below, through Dec. 17, the stock is up a whopping 125% in less than two months.TSLA data by YChartsAs you can see, Tesla is bringing a lot of momentum in the new year. So, will the stock keep gaining, or is it destined for a pullback? Here are a few things to watch.Image source: Tesla.High expectations are now baked inTesla stock was already expensive before its recent rally, but its valuation now seems to have fully detached from the underlying business. The stock trades at a price-to-earnings ratio of 200, which is much more expensive than any of its \"Magnificent Seven\" peers, none of which trade at a P/E above 51.At that price, it will be difficult for Tesla to meet expectations as a carmaker alone, as the company is already selling nearly 2 million vehicles a year. Those high expectations seemed to be based on Musk's own predictions for the company's autonomous vehicle business, as he said that Tesla would be the most valuable company in the world if its robotaxi marketplace takes off. Considering that the Cybercab hasn't yet gone into production and that there are regulatory hurdles for the company to overcome, it's certainly not guaranteed that its driverless cars will replace Uber as Musk has envisioned.How much help will Trump really be?Tesla stock has nearly doubled since the election, and Musk's chummy relationship with Trump is a major reason why. Musk spent hundreds of millions of dollars on Trump's campaign and appeared on stage with him several times. He's also been tapped to run the new Department of Government Efficiency, in charge of ferreting out government waste.However, Musk and Trump are unlikely bedfellows in some ways. First, Trump is known to support fossil fuels over green energy, and his administration has already indicated that it will eliminate the $7,500 EV tax credit. Musk has downplayed the effect of such a move, saying it's much worse for EV start-ups than it is for Tesla, but it's likely to shift some demand for EVs back to traditional combustion vehicles for price-sensitive consumers, which would be a negative for Tesla.The real opportunity for the EV maker is in autonomy, and the Trump administration has also indicated that it would ease rules around self-driving cars and establish a national standard, making it easier for Tesla to roll out the Cybercab, which does not have a steering wheel.However, safety will be the ultimate test of any autonomous vehicle, and if the cars are allowed on the road before they're ready, it could be a disaster for both Tesla and the Trump administration.Is Tesla a buy for 2025?Tesla is one of the more unpredictable companies, and its stock is notoriously volatile.However, it's entering the new year essentially priced for perfection at the current valuation. Autonomy is unlikely to have an impact as the company isn't planning on producing the Cybercab in 2026, though signs of progress could give the stock a boost.Instead, investor attention will be on the core business, the Model Q vehicle, and whether the Trump administration will be able to help the company in a material way.With Tesla already trading at a market cap of $1.5 trillion and a P/E ratio of 200, the stock seems more likely to underperform than not next year, despite the current investor enthusiasm.","news_type":1,"symbols_score_info":{"TSLA":0.6}},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":1466,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":378178366038152,"gmtCreate":1733356427880,"gmtModify":1733356431681,"author":{"id":"3557891754083819","authorId":"3557891754083819","name":"WolfMyFren","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/9c997f2483bc522379c036e25e760fe0","crmLevel":12,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"authorIdStr":"3557891754083819","idStr":"3557891754083819"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"I believe palantir is a good company&nbsp;","listText":"I believe palantir is a good company&nbsp;","text":"I believe palantir is a good company","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":1,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/378178366038152","repostId":"1180472314","repostType":4,"repost":{"id":"1180472314","kind":"news","pubTimestamp":1733309230,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/1180472314?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2024-12-04 18:47","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Palantir: Long Way Down","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1180472314","media":"Seeking Alpha","summary":"SummaryPalantir Technologies Inc. is extremely overvalued, trading at 57x forward sales, with a market cap exceeding $150 billion despite modest revenue growth.The company's fundamentals are improving","content":"<html><head></head><body><h2 id=\"id_1837729091\">Summary</h2><ul style=\"\"><li><p>Palantir Technologies Inc. is extremely overvalued, trading at 57x forward sales, with a market cap exceeding $150 billion despite modest revenue growth.</p></li><li><p>The company&#39;s fundamentals are improving, but the current valuation is unsustainable, risking significant downside if growth stalls or estimates are missed.</p></li><li><p>Multiple expansion has driven recent gains, but comparisons to Snowflake and Zoom highlight the potential for severe valuation contraction.</p></li><li><p>Investors face the risk of either minimal returns or substantial losses over the coming years, making Palantir a precarious investment.</p></li><li><p>I am Mark Holder (aka Stone Fox Capital), a CPA with degrees in Accounting and Finance. I attempt to uncover potential multibaggers while managing portfolio risk via diversification.</p></li></ul><p>Palantir Technologies, Inc. is a prime example of how a stock can trade at any price possible, whether a fraction of cash value or a huge multiple of sales. The stock market requires investors to figure out how to handle vastly different valuations, which currently is the case of an extreme overvaluation in Palantir. My investment thesis is extremely Bearish on the stock, which is reaching wildly expensive P/S ratios at $70.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/6dcce018e428282dc5758b501a617931\" alt=\"Finviz Chart\" title=\"Finviz Chart\" tg-width=\"1280\" tg-height=\"440\"/><span>Finviz Chart</span></p><h2 id=\"id_4162667494\">Learn The Value</h2><p>Palantir has soared the last couple of months, going from $30 to start September to over $70 to start December. The AI software company reported a big Q3 revenue beat of $22 million and sales growth accelerating to 30%. The stock has now gained over $70 billion in valuation on a minimal $22 million revenue beat.</p><p>The business saw U.S. commercial sales soar 54% with accounts up 77%. The market definitely has a big reason to be excited about the future in AI.</p><p>Palantir even announced the FedRAMP authorization to potentially boost sales to the U.S. government for secure cloud services. The U.S. govt. sector was lagging, but Q3 sales jumped 40% YoY to reach $320 million.</p><p>An investor has every reason to be excited about the potential business opportunity. One can look at the current market cap topping $150 billion and extract how Palantir can eventually match the size of the Magnificent 7 stocks with market caps topping $1 trillion, but investors need to be careful here.</p><p>Stocks only have 2 basic ways for gaining value: improving fundamentals or multiple expansion.</p><p><em>Improving Fundamentals</em></p><p>Palantir definitely falls into the category of improving fundamentals. The AI software company reported Q3 sales grew at a 30% clip, but the company only reached sales of $725 million.</p><p>In a valuation multiple neutral scenario, the stock should rally at a similar 30% clip annually to match sales growth. The consensus analyst estimates have sales rising ~25% annually over the next couple of years.</p><p>Investors also need to take a step back and realize the huge customer success is coming off a tiny base. Palantir only had 181 U.S. commercial customers last Q3, and the number is now 321.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/9bbfadf7244ccb992c1f76b187fad650\" alt=\"Source: Palantir Tech. Q3&#39;24 presentation\" title=\"Source: Palantir Tech. Q3&#39;24 presentation\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"287\"/><span>Source: Palantir Tech. Q3&#39;24 presentation</span></p><p>The company grew sequential accounts by just 9% in Q3 &#39;24 after growing at a 22% clip back during the December quarter. The net new accounts only grew by 26, which was down from the pace of 40+ accounts each quarter earlier this year when the AI software excitement started.</p><p><em>Multiple Expansion</em></p><p>Most investors don&#39;t seem to understand the multiple expansion concept. The prime way to make a substantial amount of money in a stock over the short term is via multiple expansion.</p><p>Multiple expansion occurs when investors feel the fundamentals of the company are improving to the point of rerating the valuation multiple assigned to the stock at a higher level. A stock can trade at a below-market multiple, and improving results can end up with the multiple expanding to a market multiple. Or, the market can decide a stock is worthy of a premium valuation, such as the case with Palantir.</p><p>Palantir and <strong>Meta Platforms</strong> (META) are prime examples of how stocks can generate massive gains and end up in vastly different situations. Meta has rallied from below $100 to $610 in the past 2 years, with the stock only expanding the forward P/S multiple to just above 9x. Palantir has rallied from an already stretched multiple to reach 57x forward sales.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/81d8c8388ca54bef84910cee5df38683\" alt=\"Data by YCharts\" title=\"Data by YCharts\" tg-width=\"635\" tg-height=\"470\"/><span>Data by YCharts</span></p><p>The equation is even stranger when considering Meta is growing at a 20% clip, while Palantir only grew at a faster clip in the last quarter at 30%. Meta only trades at 23x EPS estimates, suggesting the stock isn&#39;t overvalued and investors can generate solid returns over time holding the stock. Palantir trades at over 140x 2025 EPS estimates, suggesting the stock would need years, upon years, to grow into this multiple.</p><p>Palantir even faces the Zoom Video (ZM) scenario where all the gains are given back, especially if AI growth stalls. Zoom was off to the races during the COVID-19 shutdowns, with the stock reaching a market cap of $175 billion at the peak above $560 per share, while the sales forecasts hit $4 billion. The below chart doesn&#39;t provide the correct numbers due to the use of a TTM P/S ratio, but the chart does provide the scale and how multiple contraction occurs when sales growth normalizes.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/712403af993281dc025a5ccade948c67\" alt=\"Data by YCharts\" title=\"Data by YCharts\" tg-width=\"635\" tg-height=\"439\"/><span>Data by YCharts</span></p><p>Palantir definitely appears to have stronger long-term growth prospects than Zoom Video, but AI could end up being a gimmick, such as Covid shutdowns. The market could shift on a dime and the AI software company could end up trading at 5x forward sales, or the equivalent of somewhere below a $20 billion market cap based on 2025 sales of $3.5 billion.</p><h3 id=\"id_1203048867\">Dead Money</h3><p>The company could actually grow sales at a 25% annual clip for the next 4 years and the stock would still trade at 25x forward sales in 2028. The current consensus target is for 2028 sales of $6.2 billion.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/2b42a5a08305251ed687690d2b4525cf\" alt=\"Source: Seeking Alpha\" title=\"Source: Seeking Alpha\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"141\"/><span>Source: Seeking Alpha</span></p><p><strong>Snowflake</strong> (SNOW),<strong> Salesforce</strong> (CRM), and <strong>CrowdStrike</strong> (CRWD) are some examples of very successful software companies with stocks trading at rich valuations. All of these stocks trade below 25x forward sales, with Snowflake providing another grave warning of the negative outcomes of paying too rich a valuation multiple for a hot stock.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/02b13e3a822053f9eb490cac81a32ab8\" alt=\"Data by YCharts\" title=\"Data by YCharts\" tg-width=\"635\" tg-height=\"504\"/><span>Data by YCharts</span></p><p>Snowflake came public trading at 50x forward sales, with the stock surging to $400. Over 4 years later, one has to decide if the AI data stock is worth owning at $174 (down 55% over the period) still trading at 16x forward sales.</p><p>The really bad news for investors is that one can make the case for how Palantir could ultimately be worth the valuation of a Magnificent 7 stock in the future. However, the software companies above have market caps only in the $50 to $300 billion range. While software is an attractive business model with higher gross margins, software has limitations in market size and the ability to scale when reliant on enterprises and governments, especially in international locations.</p><p>If Palantir traded at 10x 2028 revenue targets of $6.2 billion, the stock would only have a market cap of $62 billion in 3 to 4 years. The stock would trade at $25 a few years from now, using the 2.46 billion shares outstanding and not factoring in any impact from higher share counts due to substantial stock-based compensation.</p><h2 id=\"id_1830845348\">Takeaway</h2><p>The key investor takeaway is that Palantir Technologies Inc. stock is extremely overvalued. The stock could easily run even higher, but the downside risk is even further.</p><p>Investors have plenty of examples of where a stock is either dead money for years, or the stock valuation gets crushed after a company misses estimates. The investment story ultimately comes down to one either losses a small amount over the coming years, or one loses all the gains of the last year. 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I attempt to uncover potential multibaggers while managing portfolio risk via diversification.Palantir Technologies, Inc. is a prime example of how a stock can trade at any price possible, whether a fraction of cash value or a huge multiple of sales. The stock market requires investors to figure out how to handle vastly different valuations, which currently is the case of an extreme overvaluation in Palantir. My investment thesis is extremely Bearish on the stock, which is reaching wildly expensive P/S ratios at $70.Finviz ChartLearn The ValuePalantir has soared the last couple of months, going from $30 to start September to over $70 to start December. The AI software company reported a big Q3 revenue beat of $22 million and sales growth accelerating to 30%. The stock has now gained over $70 billion in valuation on a minimal $22 million revenue beat.The business saw U.S. commercial sales soar 54% with accounts up 77%. The market definitely has a big reason to be excited about the future in AI.Palantir even announced the FedRAMP authorization to potentially boost sales to the U.S. government for secure cloud services. The U.S. govt. sector was lagging, but Q3 sales jumped 40% YoY to reach $320 million.An investor has every reason to be excited about the potential business opportunity. One can look at the current market cap topping $150 billion and extract how Palantir can eventually match the size of the Magnificent 7 stocks with market caps topping $1 trillion, but investors need to be careful here.Stocks only have 2 basic ways for gaining value: improving fundamentals or multiple expansion.Improving FundamentalsPalantir definitely falls into the category of improving fundamentals. The AI software company reported Q3 sales grew at a 30% clip, but the company only reached sales of $725 million.In a valuation multiple neutral scenario, the stock should rally at a similar 30% clip annually to match sales growth. The consensus analyst estimates have sales rising ~25% annually over the next couple of years.Investors also need to take a step back and realize the huge customer success is coming off a tiny base. Palantir only had 181 U.S. commercial customers last Q3, and the number is now 321.Source: Palantir Tech. Q3'24 presentationThe company grew sequential accounts by just 9% in Q3 '24 after growing at a 22% clip back during the December quarter. The net new accounts only grew by 26, which was down from the pace of 40+ accounts each quarter earlier this year when the AI software excitement started.Multiple ExpansionMost investors don't seem to understand the multiple expansion concept. The prime way to make a substantial amount of money in a stock over the short term is via multiple expansion.Multiple expansion occurs when investors feel the fundamentals of the company are improving to the point of rerating the valuation multiple assigned to the stock at a higher level. A stock can trade at a below-market multiple, and improving results can end up with the multiple expanding to a market multiple. Or, the market can decide a stock is worthy of a premium valuation, such as the case with Palantir.Palantir and Meta Platforms (META) are prime examples of how stocks can generate massive gains and end up in vastly different situations. Meta has rallied from below $100 to $610 in the past 2 years, with the stock only expanding the forward P/S multiple to just above 9x. Palantir has rallied from an already stretched multiple to reach 57x forward sales.Data by YChartsThe equation is even stranger when considering Meta is growing at a 20% clip, while Palantir only grew at a faster clip in the last quarter at 30%. Meta only trades at 23x EPS estimates, suggesting the stock isn't overvalued and investors can generate solid returns over time holding the stock. Palantir trades at over 140x 2025 EPS estimates, suggesting the stock would need years, upon years, to grow into this multiple.Palantir even faces the Zoom Video (ZM) scenario where all the gains are given back, especially if AI growth stalls. Zoom was off to the races during the COVID-19 shutdowns, with the stock reaching a market cap of $175 billion at the peak above $560 per share, while the sales forecasts hit $4 billion. The below chart doesn't provide the correct numbers due to the use of a TTM P/S ratio, but the chart does provide the scale and how multiple contraction occurs when sales growth normalizes.Data by YChartsPalantir definitely appears to have stronger long-term growth prospects than Zoom Video, but AI could end up being a gimmick, such as Covid shutdowns. The market could shift on a dime and the AI software company could end up trading at 5x forward sales, or the equivalent of somewhere below a $20 billion market cap based on 2025 sales of $3.5 billion.Dead MoneyThe company could actually grow sales at a 25% annual clip for the next 4 years and the stock would still trade at 25x forward sales in 2028. The current consensus target is for 2028 sales of $6.2 billion.Source: Seeking AlphaSnowflake (SNOW), Salesforce (CRM), and CrowdStrike (CRWD) are some examples of very successful software companies with stocks trading at rich valuations. All of these stocks trade below 25x forward sales, with Snowflake providing another grave warning of the negative outcomes of paying too rich a valuation multiple for a hot stock.Data by YChartsSnowflake came public trading at 50x forward sales, with the stock surging to $400. Over 4 years later, one has to decide if the AI data stock is worth owning at $174 (down 55% over the period) still trading at 16x forward sales.The really bad news for investors is that one can make the case for how Palantir could ultimately be worth the valuation of a Magnificent 7 stock in the future. However, the software companies above have market caps only in the $50 to $300 billion range. While software is an attractive business model with higher gross margins, software has limitations in market size and the ability to scale when reliant on enterprises and governments, especially in international locations.If Palantir traded at 10x 2028 revenue targets of $6.2 billion, the stock would only have a market cap of $62 billion in 3 to 4 years. The stock would trade at $25 a few years from now, using the 2.46 billion shares outstanding and not factoring in any impact from higher share counts due to substantial stock-based compensation.TakeawayThe key investor takeaway is that Palantir Technologies Inc. stock is extremely overvalued. The stock could easily run even higher, but the downside risk is even further.Investors have plenty of examples of where a stock is either dead money for years, or the stock valuation gets crushed after a company misses estimates. The investment story ultimately comes down to one either losses a small amount over the coming years, or one loses all the gains of the last year. 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In the last 12 months, its net income has risen to $476.6 million, up from $209.8 million. Comparatively, it reported cumulative net losses of over $2 billion between 2020 and 2022.The AI software company has reported a positive free cash flow since 2021. Its free cash flow in the last 12 months has totaled $980.3 million, up from $321.2 million in 2019. Analysts expect its free cash flow to rise to $1.16 billion in 2025 ","content":"<div>\n<p>Palantir Technologies is an artificial intelligence (AI)-powered tech stock that has captured Wall Street's imagination in 2024. 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With a market cap of nearly $150 billion, Palantir stock has returned ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://www.barchart.com/story/news/29798064/will-palantir-stock-hit-75-a-share\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"PLTR":"Palantir Technologies Inc."},"source_url":"https://www.barchart.com/story/news/29798064/will-palantir-stock-hit-75-a-share","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1133033719","content_text":"Palantir Technologies is an artificial intelligence (AI)-powered tech stock that has captured Wall Street's imagination in 2024. With a market cap of nearly $150 billion, Palantir stock has returned 280% to shareholders year-to-date. The company went public in September 2020, and has since generated returns of almost 600%. Palantir builds and deploys software platforms for governments and companies in the U.S. and other international markets. Its products include:Palantir Gotham: A platform allowing users to identify hidden patterns within deep data sets. It helps operators plan and execute real-world responses to threats identified within the platform.Palantir Foundry: A platform that disrupts how enterprises operate as it creates a central operating system for their data, which users can integrate and analyze in a single place. Let’s see if PLTR stock is overvalued after its breakout rally this year, or if it can continue moving higher over the next 12 months. A Strong Performance In Q3Palantir shares jumped 20% following its solid Q3 earnings results, in which it reported revenue of $726 million and adjusted earnings of $0.10 per share. Comparatively, Wall Street expected revenue of $701 million and earnings of $0.09 per share in the September quarter. While sales rose 30%, Palantir's net income more than doubled year over year. The company’s co-founder and CEO, Alex Karp, attributed its revenue beat in Q3 to “unrelenting AI demand that won’t slow down,” emphasizing the strong adoption of AI solutions from the U.S. government base. Palantir projected revenue between $767 million and $771 million in Q4, comfortably surpassing consensus estimates of $741.4 million. It expects total sales to grow by 26% year over year to $2.81 billion, beating estimates of $2.76 billion. Management targets the U.S. commercial segment to generate $687 million in sales in 2024, up 24% from the year-ago period. Notably, international commercial sales were down 7% from Q2 due to lower demand from Europe and a fall in revenue from a government-sponsored entity in the Middle East. Is PLTR Stock Overvalued?Palantir’s outsized gains in 2024 can be tied to an improving bottom line. In the last 12 months, its net income has risen to $476.6 million, up from $209.8 million. Comparatively, it reported cumulative net losses of over $2 billion between 2020 and 2022. The AI software company has reported a positive free cash flow since 2021. Its free cash flow in the last 12 months has totaled $980.3 million, up from $321.2 million in 2019. Analysts expect its free cash flow to rise to $1.16 billion in 2025 and $1.5 billion in 2026. Further, analysts expect earnings to expand from $0.25 in 2024 to $0.6 in 2026. So, priced at 110x forward earnings, PLTR stock trades at a lofty valuation. Despite its expensive multiples, Bank of America just reiterated its “Buy” rating for PLTR stock, and raised its price target to a new Street-high of $75 from $55. BofA explained Palantir’s growth in U.S. markets and a widening competitive moat make it a top investment choice as it now serves a wide range of clients across sectors. The investment bank projects the Government business to grow by 29% annually in the next three years, up from 24%, and said that Palantir is well-positioned to digitize business processes as companies turn to AI and automation to boost profitability. Due to rising demand, BofA expects Palantir’s Commercial business to grow by 34% annually over the next three years, up from an earlier forecast of 32%. BofA's bullish opinion is a rare one for Palantir. Out of the 15 analysts covering PLTR stock, only two recommend a “strong buy,” while six recommend a “hold,” and seven suggest a “moderate sell” or “strong sell.” The average target price for the tech stock is $33.78, indicating a downside of almost 49% from current levels. 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The writer did not mention on the teslar batteries&nbsp; contibution to the company revenue as well as AI. So all in all, teslar is mote than jus EV company.","text":"I dun fully agreed with the analysis, cause Teslar is more then an EV manufacturing company. The writer did not mention on the teslar batteries contibution to the company revenue as well as AI. So all in all, teslar is mote than jus EV company.","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/373224240513224","repostId":"2484181324","repostType":2,"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":1156,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":368890061254840,"gmtCreate":1731098639514,"gmtModify":1731098643338,"author":{"id":"3557891754083819","authorId":"3557891754083819","name":"WolfMyFren","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/9c997f2483bc522379c036e25e760fe0","crmLevel":12,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"authorIdStr":"3557891754083819","idStr":"3557891754083819"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"I simply loves tesla, even though someone is simply jealous and if im not wrong a lefist. How does it feel whenbtrump won the election. 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Tesla CEO Elon Musk has been a key ally for Trump throughout his campaign, pouring at least $130 million into a pro-Trump campaign effort.</p><p>Tesla had a market cap of $807.1 billion through Tuesday’s close. Prior to this week’s rally, shares of the carmaker were up about 1% for the year. 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(Can a big article in The Wall Street Journal with the headline “Fed Officials Weigh Ending Asset Purchases by Mid-2022” be any more obvious?)</p>\n<p>But history shows that markets react to changes in monetary policy—even when they know the change is coming, says Bleakley Advisory Group’s Peter Boockvar. “[We] have to be reminded of how stocks responded to EVERY SINGLE change in Fed policy towards tightening since 2010,” he writes. “Outside of the August 2015 selloff related to the Chinese yuan modest devaluation and the Covid induced crash, every notable correction in stocks surrounded a change Fed policy toward tightening.”</p>\n<p>Covid concerns continue to rise, whether its cases forcing shutdowns in <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/NGD\">New</a> Zealand or reports that the vaccines aren’t as effective against the Delta variant as originally thought. Again, none of this is terribly new, but then again, the market chooses when it wants to react, not folks with a keyboard.</p>\n<p>If you listen to the thrum of the Street, though, you get the sense that the market has been due for a correction. There’s some truth to that. The S&amp;P 500 has been more than 8% above its 200-day moving average for 198 days, the longest in 40 years and among the five longest stretches in history. These streaks are usually followed by a couple of months of choppy trading, with a median gain of just 0.3% over the following two months. “By the time it reached the current length, other super-strong trends saw buyers take a break,” writes Sundial Capital Research’s Jason Goepfert.</p>\n<p>Of course, it might just be August, says DataTrek’s Nicholas Colas. He notes that the S&amp;P 500 typically has one 1% up or down move every week since 1957, but has had just three during the first seven weeks of the third quarter. August, because of its low volume and history of higher volatility would be a good time to catch up.</p>\n<p>That’s especially true with stocks starting to move together again. “[As] much as we like U.S. equities, we have to respect both the tape (suddenly higher correlations) and seasonality (late August volatility),” Colas writes. “Both tell us to be cautious over the next 2-3 weeks.”</p>\n<p>So buckle up. Whatever the reason, it’s chop time for U.S. stock markets.</p>","source":"lsy1610680873436","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>The Stock Market Is Dropping Again. 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S&P 500 futures have declined 0.6% Thursday morning, indicating an ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://www.barrons.com/articles/why-stock-market-dropping-again-today-51629372284?mod=hp_LEAD_3_B_1&tesla=y\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{".DJI":"道琼斯",".SPX":"S&P 500 Index"},"source_url":"https://www.barrons.com/articles/why-stock-market-dropping-again-today-51629372284?mod=hp_LEAD_3_B_1&tesla=y","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1169769842","content_text":"The S&P 500 is on pace for its worst three-day drop since July. Is the sky starting to fall?\nIt sure does look ugly out there. S&P 500 futures have declined 0.6% Thursday morning, indicating an opening loss of around 28 points, or 0.6%, for the index. The Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA), meanwhile, could be headed for a 237 point, or 0.7%, decline, per futures markets.\nIf the losses hold, it would be the S&P 500’s third consecutive drop, the index’s longest losing streak since the three-day losing streak that ended on July 19. At this pace, the index would shed around 2.4% over a three-day period, also the worst since that July tumble.\nIf you want reasons for the decline, well, there are plenty. Taper fears are at the top of the list, despite the fact that the Fed has been about as transparent about the fact that it will end its bond-buying program soon as it’s possible to be. (Can a big article in The Wall Street Journal with the headline “Fed Officials Weigh Ending Asset Purchases by Mid-2022” be any more obvious?)\nBut history shows that markets react to changes in monetary policy—even when they know the change is coming, says Bleakley Advisory Group’s Peter Boockvar. “[We] have to be reminded of how stocks responded to EVERY SINGLE change in Fed policy towards tightening since 2010,” he writes. “Outside of the August 2015 selloff related to the Chinese yuan modest devaluation and the Covid induced crash, every notable correction in stocks surrounded a change Fed policy toward tightening.”\nCovid concerns continue to rise, whether its cases forcing shutdowns in New Zealand or reports that the vaccines aren’t as effective against the Delta variant as originally thought. Again, none of this is terribly new, but then again, the market chooses when it wants to react, not folks with a keyboard.\nIf you listen to the thrum of the Street, though, you get the sense that the market has been due for a correction. There’s some truth to that. The S&P 500 has been more than 8% above its 200-day moving average for 198 days, the longest in 40 years and among the five longest stretches in history. These streaks are usually followed by a couple of months of choppy trading, with a median gain of just 0.3% over the following two months. “By the time it reached the current length, other super-strong trends saw buyers take a break,” writes Sundial Capital Research’s Jason Goepfert.\nOf course, it might just be August, says DataTrek’s Nicholas Colas. He notes that the S&P 500 typically has one 1% up or down move every week since 1957, but has had just three during the first seven weeks of the third quarter. August, because of its low volume and history of higher volatility would be a good time to catch up.\nThat’s especially true with stocks starting to move together again. “[As] much as we like U.S. equities, we have to respect both the tape (suddenly higher correlations) and seasonality (late August volatility),” Colas writes. “Both tell us to be cautious over the next 2-3 weeks.”\nSo buckle up. 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Tesla CEO Elon Musk has been a key ally for Trump throughout his campaign, pouring at least $130 million into a pro-Trump campaign effort.</p><p>Tesla had a market cap of $807.1 billion through Tuesday’s close. Prior to this week’s rally, shares of the carmaker were up about 1% for the year. 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Tesla CEO Elon Musk has been a key ally for Trump throughout his campaign, pouring at least $130 million into a pro-Trump campaign effort.</p><p>Tesla had a market cap of $807.1 billion through Tuesday’s close. Prior to this week’s rally, shares of the carmaker were up about 1% for the year. Tesla’s stock is now up about 26% year to date.</p></body></html>\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"TSLA":"特斯拉"},"source_url":"","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1173599608","content_text":"Shares of Tesla climbed more than 6% in mid-morning trading Friday, pushing the electric vehicle maker’s market cap past $1 trillion for first time since 2022.The company’s stock has rallied about 27% this week after President-elect Donald Trump won the U.S. presidential election and investors have grown optimistic that the former president’s return to the White House could benefit Tesla. Tesla CEO Elon Musk has been a key ally for Trump throughout his campaign, pouring at least $130 million into a pro-Trump campaign effort.Tesla had a market cap of $807.1 billion through Tuesday’s close. Prior to this week’s rally, shares of the carmaker were up about 1% for the year. 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Economists surveyed by Dow Jones had been expecting a 5% gain.</p>\n<p>Stripping out volatile food and energy prices, the core CPI rose 4.5%, the sharpest move for that measure since September 1991 and well above the estimate of 3.8%.</p>\n<p>Inflation has been rising due to a number of factors, including supply chain bottlenecks, extraordinarily high demand as the Covid-19 pandemic eases, and year-over-year comparisons to a time when the economy was struggling to reopen in the early months of the crisis.</p>\n<p>Policymakers at the Federal Reserve and the White House expect the current pressures to begin to ease, though central bank officials have acknowledged that inflation is stronger and perhaps more durable than they had anticipated.</p>\n<p>Much of the price pressures have come from sectors particularly influenced by the shutdown – used car prices, air fares and transportation costs, to name three.</p>\n<p>However, housing and shelter prices continue to climb, adding fuel to the belief that inflation could stick around for a while.</p>\n<p>Consumers see prices overall up 4.8% in the next 12 months, according to a New York Fed survey released Monday, though a separate survey from Bank of America out Tuesday indicated that</p>\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{".IXIC":"NASDAQ Composite",".SPX":"S&P 500 Index",".DJI":"道琼斯"},"is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1162410134","content_text":"Inflation continued its rapid surge in June, rising its fastest pace in nearly 13 years, the Labor Department reported Tuesday.\nThe consumer price index increased 5.4% from a year ago, the largest jump since just before the financial crisis. 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Futures for the Nasdaq 100 index fell 20.50 points to 13,259.25.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/6c6edd3402ef32c8f7cc996b92b3feac\" tg-width=\"1242\" tg-height=\"524\"><span>*Source From Tiger Trade, EST 07:44</span></p><p>Democrats’ hopes of including a federal minimum wage increase in their $1.9 trillion Covid relief bill seemed all but dead, four days after the nonpartisan Senate parliamentarian said the chamber’s rules prohibited its inclusion. Senate Democrats hope to unveil their version of the House-passed package and begin debate as early as Wednesday. Congressional leaders want to send President Joe Biden the measure by March 14, when a federal jobless benefits boost, approved in December’s aid measure, is set to expire.</p><p><b>U.S. Market Yesterday:</b></p><p>U.S. equities began March on a strong note on Monday with the S&amp;P 500 up 2.09%, the Dow Jones Industrial Average adding 2.17% and the tech-heavy Nasdaq Composite jumping just over 2%.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/364c24b3bcbc710be3a811425835ebe8\" tg-width=\"1242\" tg-height=\"554\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"><span>*Source From Tiger Trade</span></p><p><b>There are some key events to watch this week:</b></p><ul><li>U.S. Federal Reserve Beige Book is due Wednesday.</li><li>OPEC+ meeting on output Thursday.U.S. factory orders, initial jobless claims and durable goods orders are due Thursday.</li><li>The February U.S. employment report on Friday will provide an update on the speed and direction of the nation’s labor market recovery.</li></ul><p><b>Latest News:</b></p><p>1) <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/NIO\">NIO Inc.</a>  reported a wider-than-expected loss for its fourth quarter, but issued strong revenue guidance for the first quarter. The EV maker also announced a month-over-month drop in deliveries for February.</p><p>2) <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/XPEV\">XPeng Inc.</a>  confirmed media reports regarding new low-priced versions of its vehicle line-up, armed with lithium phosphate battery. Separately, the company reported a sharp month-over-month decline in deliveries.</p><p>3) <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/ZM\">Zoom</a>  Video– Zoom&nbsp;reported quarterly profit of $1.22 per share, beating the consensus estimate of 79 cents a share. Revenue also topped forecasts, and Zoom gave an upbeat current-quarter forecast in anticipation of millions continuing to use its video messaging platform. Its shares jumped 7.4% premarket.</p><p>4) <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/SQ\">Square</a>  gained 4.4% in premarket trading after announcing that it began operations for its in-house bank, Square Financial Services. The digital payments company’s bank will offer business loans to Square sellers.</p><p>5)&nbsp; <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/SE\">Sea Ltd</a> soars 7.84% premarket. Revenue rose to $1.6 billion in the last three months of 2020 from $777.2 million a year earlier, Singapore-based Sea said Tuesday in a statement. Net loss widened to $523.6 million from $283.8 million.</p><p>Sea expects e-commerce revenue to double in 2021, sustaining its torrid pace of growth as Southeast Asia’s most valuable company counts on regional online shopping demand to persist after the pandemic.</p><p>6)&nbsp; <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/TGT\">Target</a> – The retailer reported quarterly earnings of $2.67 per share, 13 cents a share above estimates. Revenue also exceeded analysts' projections. Comparable-store sales jumped 20.5%, better than the 16.8% predicted by analysts surveyed by FactSet. Target also saw digital sales more than double. Its shares rose 1% in premarket trading.</p><p>7)&nbsp;<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/NVAX\">Novavax</a> – Novavax lost $2.70 per share for its latest quarter, wider than the $1.49 per share loss that analysts were anticipating. The drugmaker's revenue also came in below Wall Street estimates. Novavax said its Covid-19 vaccine could be cleared for use in the U.S. as soon as May, depending on whether regulators are willing to authorize it based on the results of a British trial. Novavax shares fell 5.1% in the premarket.</p><p>8)&nbsp;<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/KSS\">Kohl's</a>  – Kohl'sreported quarterly profit of $2.22 per share, including $1.15 a share in incremental tax benefits. That compared with a $1.01 a share consensus estimate. Revenue beat forecasts, and Kohl's announced that it would reinstate its dividend and share buyback program this year. It also forecast sales growth for 2021. The retailer's shares rose 1.6% in premarket action.</p><p>9)&nbsp;<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/KTB\">Kontoor Brands, Inc.</a> – The company behind the Lee and Wrangler apparel brands earned $1.23 per share for its latest quarter, compared with a consensus estimate of 97 cents a share. Revenue came in above estimates as well, driven by strength in digital sales. Kontoor Brands also gave a better-than-expected full-year earnings forecast.</p><p>10)&nbsp;<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/AZO\">AutoZone</a>  – The auto parts retailer reported quarterly profit of $14.93 per share, beating the consensus estimate of $12.84 a share. Revenue came in above estimates as well. Comparable-store sales rose 15.2% compared to a consensus FactSet estimate of up 8.6%.</p><p>11)&nbsp;<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/BYND\">Beyond Meat, Inc.</a> – Shares of the plant-based food maker are up 1.2% in the premarket after Citi upgraded the stock to \"buy\" from \"neutral.\" Citi believes sales and cost issues that impacted the most recent quarter are temporary. The stock had initially fallen in off-hours trading Monday after Beyond Meat said it planned to raise $750 million in a convertible notes offering.</p><p>12)&nbsp;<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/NKE\">Nike</a> – Nike North American business chief Ann Heberthas left the athletic footwear and apparel maker, with Nike saying it will announce a replacement shortly. Hebert's departure follows a report that her son used a credit card in her name to purchase sneakers for his resale company.</p><p>13)&nbsp;<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/MELI\">MercadoLibre</a>&nbsp;– MercadoLibre fell 2.4% premarket, despite reporting record quarterly revenue and beating analysts' forecasts. The Argentine e-commerce giant benefited from a surge in online shopping and digital payments in the Latin American market.</p><p>14)&nbsp;<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/ROKU\">Roku Inc</a> – Roku is buyingNielsen’s(NLSN) digital advertising business for an undisclosed amount, allowing it to offer more targeted ads on its streaming platform. Roku gained 1.3% premarket, while Nielsen rose 6.8%.</p><p>15)&nbsp;<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/LMND\">Lemonade, Inc.</a> – Lemonade lost 60 cents per share for its latest quarter, 5 cents a share less than anticipated. 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Futures for the Nasdaq 100 index fell 20.50 points to 13,259.25.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/6c6edd3402ef32c8f7cc996b92b3feac\" tg-width=\"1242\" tg-height=\"524\"><span>*Source From Tiger Trade, EST 07:44</span></p><p>Democrats’ hopes of including a federal minimum wage increase in their $1.9 trillion Covid relief bill seemed all but dead, four days after the nonpartisan Senate parliamentarian said the chamber’s rules prohibited its inclusion. Senate Democrats hope to unveil their version of the House-passed package and begin debate as early as Wednesday. Congressional leaders want to send President Joe Biden the measure by March 14, when a federal jobless benefits boost, approved in December’s aid measure, is set to expire.</p><p><b>U.S. Market Yesterday:</b></p><p>U.S. equities began March on a strong note on Monday with the S&amp;P 500 up 2.09%, the Dow Jones Industrial Average adding 2.17% and the tech-heavy Nasdaq Composite jumping just over 2%.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/364c24b3bcbc710be3a811425835ebe8\" tg-width=\"1242\" tg-height=\"554\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"><span>*Source From Tiger Trade</span></p><p><b>There are some key events to watch this week:</b></p><ul><li>U.S. Federal Reserve Beige Book is due Wednesday.</li><li>OPEC+ meeting on output Thursday.U.S. factory orders, initial jobless claims and durable goods orders are due Thursday.</li><li>The February U.S. employment report on Friday will provide an update on the speed and direction of the nation’s labor market recovery.</li></ul><p><b>Latest News:</b></p><p>1) <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/NIO\">NIO Inc.</a>  reported a wider-than-expected loss for its fourth quarter, but issued strong revenue guidance for the first quarter. The EV maker also announced a month-over-month drop in deliveries for February.</p><p>2) <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/XPEV\">XPeng Inc.</a>  confirmed media reports regarding new low-priced versions of its vehicle line-up, armed with lithium phosphate battery. Separately, the company reported a sharp month-over-month decline in deliveries.</p><p>3) <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/ZM\">Zoom</a>  Video– Zoom&nbsp;reported quarterly profit of $1.22 per share, beating the consensus estimate of 79 cents a share. Revenue also topped forecasts, and Zoom gave an upbeat current-quarter forecast in anticipation of millions continuing to use its video messaging platform. Its shares jumped 7.4% premarket.</p><p>4) <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/SQ\">Square</a>  gained 4.4% in premarket trading after announcing that it began operations for its in-house bank, Square Financial Services. The digital payments company’s bank will offer business loans to Square sellers.</p><p>5)&nbsp; <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/SE\">Sea Ltd</a> soars 7.84% premarket. Revenue rose to $1.6 billion in the last three months of 2020 from $777.2 million a year earlier, Singapore-based Sea said Tuesday in a statement. Net loss widened to $523.6 million from $283.8 million.</p><p>Sea expects e-commerce revenue to double in 2021, sustaining its torrid pace of growth as Southeast Asia’s most valuable company counts on regional online shopping demand to persist after the pandemic.</p><p>6)&nbsp; <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/TGT\">Target</a> – The retailer reported quarterly earnings of $2.67 per share, 13 cents a share above estimates. Revenue also exceeded analysts' projections. Comparable-store sales jumped 20.5%, better than the 16.8% predicted by analysts surveyed by FactSet. Target also saw digital sales more than double. Its shares rose 1% in premarket trading.</p><p>7)&nbsp;<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/NVAX\">Novavax</a> – Novavax lost $2.70 per share for its latest quarter, wider than the $1.49 per share loss that analysts were anticipating. The drugmaker's revenue also came in below Wall Street estimates. Novavax said its Covid-19 vaccine could be cleared for use in the U.S. as soon as May, depending on whether regulators are willing to authorize it based on the results of a British trial. Novavax shares fell 5.1% in the premarket.</p><p>8)&nbsp;<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/KSS\">Kohl's</a>  – Kohl'sreported quarterly profit of $2.22 per share, including $1.15 a share in incremental tax benefits. That compared with a $1.01 a share consensus estimate. Revenue beat forecasts, and Kohl's announced that it would reinstate its dividend and share buyback program this year. It also forecast sales growth for 2021. The retailer's shares rose 1.6% in premarket action.</p><p>9)&nbsp;<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/KTB\">Kontoor Brands, Inc.</a> – The company behind the Lee and Wrangler apparel brands earned $1.23 per share for its latest quarter, compared with a consensus estimate of 97 cents a share. Revenue came in above estimates as well, driven by strength in digital sales. Kontoor Brands also gave a better-than-expected full-year earnings forecast.</p><p>10)&nbsp;<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/AZO\">AutoZone</a>  – The auto parts retailer reported quarterly profit of $14.93 per share, beating the consensus estimate of $12.84 a share. Revenue came in above estimates as well. Comparable-store sales rose 15.2% compared to a consensus FactSet estimate of up 8.6%.</p><p>11)&nbsp;<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/BYND\">Beyond Meat, Inc.</a> – Shares of the plant-based food maker are up 1.2% in the premarket after Citi upgraded the stock to \"buy\" from \"neutral.\" Citi believes sales and cost issues that impacted the most recent quarter are temporary. The stock had initially fallen in off-hours trading Monday after Beyond Meat said it planned to raise $750 million in a convertible notes offering.</p><p>12)&nbsp;<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/NKE\">Nike</a> – Nike North American business chief Ann Heberthas left the athletic footwear and apparel maker, with Nike saying it will announce a replacement shortly. Hebert's departure follows a report that her son used a credit card in her name to purchase sneakers for his resale company.</p><p>13)&nbsp;<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/MELI\">MercadoLibre</a>&nbsp;– MercadoLibre fell 2.4% premarket, despite reporting record quarterly revenue and beating analysts' forecasts. The Argentine e-commerce giant benefited from a surge in online shopping and digital payments in the Latin American market.</p><p>14)&nbsp;<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/ROKU\">Roku Inc</a> – Roku is buyingNielsen’s(NLSN) digital advertising business for an undisclosed amount, allowing it to offer more targeted ads on its streaming platform. Roku gained 1.3% premarket, while Nielsen rose 6.8%.</p><p>15)&nbsp;<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/LMND\">Lemonade, Inc.</a> – Lemonade lost 60 cents per share for its latest quarter, 5 cents a share less than anticipated. The online insurance company’s revenue came in above estimates, however Lemonade issued a weaker-than-expected outlook for the current quarter. Its shares fell 6% in the premarket.</p><p>16)&nbsp;Score Media and Gaming(SCR) – Score Media rose 7.1% premarket after it said underwriters of its recent initial public offering fully exercised their over-allotment option. That brings the total money raised by the sports betting company’s IPO to $186.3 million.</p>\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"SPY":"标普500ETF",".DJI":"道琼斯",".IXIC":"NASDAQ Composite",".SPX":"S&P 500 Index"},"is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1111736176","content_text":"(March 2) U.S. stock futures traded lower in early pre-market trade after the Dow Jones climbed more than 600 points in the previous session.Futures for the Dow Jones Industrial Average fell 14 points to 31,495.00 while the Standard & Poor’s 500 index futures fell 4.75 points at 3,894.00. Futures for the Nasdaq 100 index fell 20.50 points to 13,259.25.*Source From Tiger Trade, EST 07:44Democrats’ hopes of including a federal minimum wage increase in their $1.9 trillion Covid relief bill seemed all but dead, four days after the nonpartisan Senate parliamentarian said the chamber’s rules prohibited its inclusion. Senate Democrats hope to unveil their version of the House-passed package and begin debate as early as Wednesday. Congressional leaders want to send President Joe Biden the measure by March 14, when a federal jobless benefits boost, approved in December’s aid measure, is set to expire.U.S. Market Yesterday:U.S. equities began March on a strong note on Monday with the S&P 500 up 2.09%, the Dow Jones Industrial Average adding 2.17% and the tech-heavy Nasdaq Composite jumping just over 2%.*Source From Tiger TradeThere are some key events to watch this week:U.S. Federal Reserve Beige Book is due Wednesday.OPEC+ meeting on output Thursday.U.S. factory orders, initial jobless claims and durable goods orders are due Thursday.The February U.S. employment report on Friday will provide an update on the speed and direction of the nation’s labor market recovery.Latest News:1) NIO Inc.  reported a wider-than-expected loss for its fourth quarter, but issued strong revenue guidance for the first quarter. The EV maker also announced a month-over-month drop in deliveries for February.2) XPeng Inc.  confirmed media reports regarding new low-priced versions of its vehicle line-up, armed with lithium phosphate battery. Separately, the company reported a sharp month-over-month decline in deliveries.3) Zoom  Video– Zoom reported quarterly profit of $1.22 per share, beating the consensus estimate of 79 cents a share. Revenue also topped forecasts, and Zoom gave an upbeat current-quarter forecast in anticipation of millions continuing to use its video messaging platform. Its shares jumped 7.4% premarket.4) Square  gained 4.4% in premarket trading after announcing that it began operations for its in-house bank, Square Financial Services. The digital payments company’s bank will offer business loans to Square sellers.5)  Sea Ltd soars 7.84% premarket. Revenue rose to $1.6 billion in the last three months of 2020 from $777.2 million a year earlier, Singapore-based Sea said Tuesday in a statement. Net loss widened to $523.6 million from $283.8 million.Sea expects e-commerce revenue to double in 2021, sustaining its torrid pace of growth as Southeast Asia’s most valuable company counts on regional online shopping demand to persist after the pandemic.6)  Target – The retailer reported quarterly earnings of $2.67 per share, 13 cents a share above estimates. Revenue also exceeded analysts' projections. Comparable-store sales jumped 20.5%, better than the 16.8% predicted by analysts surveyed by FactSet. Target also saw digital sales more than double. Its shares rose 1% in premarket trading.7) Novavax – Novavax lost $2.70 per share for its latest quarter, wider than the $1.49 per share loss that analysts were anticipating. The drugmaker's revenue also came in below Wall Street estimates. Novavax said its Covid-19 vaccine could be cleared for use in the U.S. as soon as May, depending on whether regulators are willing to authorize it based on the results of a British trial. Novavax shares fell 5.1% in the premarket.8) Kohl's  – Kohl'sreported quarterly profit of $2.22 per share, including $1.15 a share in incremental tax benefits. That compared with a $1.01 a share consensus estimate. Revenue beat forecasts, and Kohl's announced that it would reinstate its dividend and share buyback program this year. It also forecast sales growth for 2021. The retailer's shares rose 1.6% in premarket action.9) Kontoor Brands, Inc. – The company behind the Lee and Wrangler apparel brands earned $1.23 per share for its latest quarter, compared with a consensus estimate of 97 cents a share. Revenue came in above estimates as well, driven by strength in digital sales. Kontoor Brands also gave a better-than-expected full-year earnings forecast.10) AutoZone  – The auto parts retailer reported quarterly profit of $14.93 per share, beating the consensus estimate of $12.84 a share. Revenue came in above estimates as well. Comparable-store sales rose 15.2% compared to a consensus FactSet estimate of up 8.6%.11) Beyond Meat, Inc. – Shares of the plant-based food maker are up 1.2% in the premarket after Citi upgraded the stock to \"buy\" from \"neutral.\" Citi believes sales and cost issues that impacted the most recent quarter are temporary. The stock had initially fallen in off-hours trading Monday after Beyond Meat said it planned to raise $750 million in a convertible notes offering.12) Nike – Nike North American business chief Ann Heberthas left the athletic footwear and apparel maker, with Nike saying it will announce a replacement shortly. Hebert's departure follows a report that her son used a credit card in her name to purchase sneakers for his resale company.13) MercadoLibre – MercadoLibre fell 2.4% premarket, despite reporting record quarterly revenue and beating analysts' forecasts. The Argentine e-commerce giant benefited from a surge in online shopping and digital payments in the Latin American market.14) Roku Inc – Roku is buyingNielsen’s(NLSN) digital advertising business for an undisclosed amount, allowing it to offer more targeted ads on its streaming platform. Roku gained 1.3% premarket, while Nielsen rose 6.8%.15) Lemonade, Inc. – Lemonade lost 60 cents per share for its latest quarter, 5 cents a share less than anticipated. The online insurance company’s revenue came in above estimates, however Lemonade issued a weaker-than-expected outlook for the current quarter. Its shares fell 6% in the premarket.16) Score Media and Gaming(SCR) – Score Media rose 7.1% premarket after it said underwriters of its recent initial public offering fully exercised their over-allotment option. That brings the total money raised by the sports betting company’s IPO to $186.3 million.","news_type":1,"symbols_score_info":{".IXIC":0.9,".DJI":0.9,"SPY":0.9,".SPX":0.9}},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":545,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":894251656,"gmtCreate":1628832484175,"gmtModify":1676529869002,"author":{"id":"3557891754083819","authorId":"3557891754083819","name":"WolfMyFren","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/9c997f2483bc522379c036e25e760fe0","crmLevel":12,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"3557891754083819","authorIdStr":"3557891754083819"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"Chiong ah","listText":"Chiong ah","text":"Chiong ah","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":3,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/894251656","repostId":"1186962819","repostType":4,"repost":{"id":"1186962819","kind":"news","pubTimestamp":1628809269,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/1186962819?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2021-08-13 07:01","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Disney jumps over 5% as financials, subscribers top Street expectations","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1186962819","media":"Seeking Alpha","summary":"Walt Disney is up 5.77% after hours following fiscal third-quarter earnings where it topped expectat","content":"<ul>\n <li><a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/DIS\">Walt Disney</a> is&nbsp;up 5.77%&nbsp;after hours following&nbsp;fiscal third-quarter earnings&nbsp;where it topped expectations on top and bottom lines and exceeded forecasts for its subscribers to streaming service Disney+.</li>\n</ul>\n<p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/143228ff7ee429571324090db7a54eed\" tg-width=\"1039\" tg-height=\"898\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"></p>\n<ul>\n <li>Those subscribers hit 116 million, vs. an expected 112.8 million. Across its streaming services, including Disney+, ESPN+ and Hulu, the company is near 174 million subscribers.</li>\n <li>Revenues grew 45% to $17 billion, and the company swung back to a $995 million profit from last year's $4.84 billion loss.</li>\n <li>Earnings from continuing operations swung to a gain of 50 cents a share from a year-ago loss of $2.61 a share. Adjusted earnings jumped to 80 cents a share from 8 cents a share in the year-ago quarter.</li>\n <li>Revenue by segment: Disney Media and Entertainment Distribution, $12.68 billion (up 18%); Disney Parks, Experiences and Products, $4.34 billion (up 308%).</li>\n <li>The company warned about the ongoing recovery from the COVID-19 pandemic. On the content side: \"Although most film and television production resumed beginning in the fourth quarter of fiscal 2020, we continue to see disruption of film and television production, as well as live sports events, depending on local circumstances. Fewer theatrical releases and production delays have limited the availability of film content to be sold in the subsequent home entertainment and TV/ SVOD distribution windows.\"</li>\n <li>As for the Parks, Experiences and Products segment: \"Although results have improved in the current quarter compared to the prior-year quarter from reopening our parks and resorts, we continue to be impacted by the suspension of cruise ship sailings (with an ongoing return of cruise ship sailings beginning in July 2021) and reduced operating capacities across many of our Disney Parks, Experiences and Products businesses.\"</li>\n <li>Conference call will come at 4:30 p.m. ET.</li>\n</ul>\n<p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/ae1db1aa3d9adcf732e52db95921514f\" tg-width=\"885\" tg-height=\"641\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"></p>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Disney jumps over 5% as financials, subscribers top Street expectations</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; 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Across its streaming services, including Disney+, ESPN+ and Hulu, the company is near 174 million subscribers.\nRevenues grew 45% to $17 billion, and the company swung back to a $995 million profit from last year's $4.84 billion loss.\nEarnings from continuing operations swung to a gain of 50 cents a share from a year-ago loss of $2.61 a share. Adjusted earnings jumped to 80 cents a share from 8 cents a share in the year-ago quarter.\nRevenue by segment: Disney Media and Entertainment Distribution, $12.68 billion (up 18%); Disney Parks, Experiences and Products, $4.34 billion (up 308%).\nThe company warned about the ongoing recovery from the COVID-19 pandemic. On the content side: \"Although most film and television production resumed beginning in the fourth quarter of fiscal 2020, we continue to see disruption of film and television production, as well as live sports events, depending on local circumstances. Fewer theatrical releases and production delays have limited the availability of film content to be sold in the subsequent home entertainment and TV/ SVOD distribution windows.\"\nAs for the Parks, Experiences and Products segment: \"Although results have improved in the current quarter compared to the prior-year quarter from reopening our parks and resorts, we continue to be impacted by the suspension of cruise ship sailings (with an ongoing return of cruise ship sailings beginning in July 2021) and reduced operating capacities across many of our Disney Parks, Experiences and Products businesses.\"\nConference call will come at 4:30 p.m. ET.","news_type":1,"symbols_score_info":{"DIS":0.9}},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":978,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":894253633,"gmtCreate":1628832376622,"gmtModify":1676529868967,"author":{"id":"3557891754083819","authorId":"3557891754083819","name":"WolfMyFren","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/9c997f2483bc522379c036e25e760fe0","crmLevel":12,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"3557891754083819","authorIdStr":"3557891754083819"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"Woah , at last my prayers has been heard.Has been waiting for this day?","listText":"Woah , at last my prayers has been heard.Has been waiting for this day?","text":"Woah , at last my prayers has been heard.Has been waiting for this day?","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":3,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/894253633","repostId":"1186962819","repostType":4,"repost":{"id":"1186962819","kind":"news","pubTimestamp":1628809269,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/1186962819?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2021-08-13 07:01","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Disney jumps over 5% as financials, subscribers top Street expectations","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1186962819","media":"Seeking Alpha","summary":"Walt Disney is up 5.77% after hours following fiscal third-quarter earnings where it topped expectat","content":"<ul>\n <li><a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/DIS\">Walt Disney</a> is&nbsp;up 5.77%&nbsp;after hours following&nbsp;fiscal third-quarter earnings&nbsp;where it topped expectations on top and bottom lines and exceeded forecasts for its subscribers to streaming service Disney+.</li>\n</ul>\n<p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/143228ff7ee429571324090db7a54eed\" tg-width=\"1039\" tg-height=\"898\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"></p>\n<ul>\n <li>Those subscribers hit 116 million, vs. an expected 112.8 million. Across its streaming services, including Disney+, ESPN+ and Hulu, the company is near 174 million subscribers.</li>\n <li>Revenues grew 45% to $17 billion, and the company swung back to a $995 million profit from last year's $4.84 billion loss.</li>\n <li>Earnings from continuing operations swung to a gain of 50 cents a share from a year-ago loss of $2.61 a share. Adjusted earnings jumped to 80 cents a share from 8 cents a share in the year-ago quarter.</li>\n <li>Revenue by segment: Disney Media and Entertainment Distribution, $12.68 billion (up 18%); Disney Parks, Experiences and Products, $4.34 billion (up 308%).</li>\n <li>The company warned about the ongoing recovery from the COVID-19 pandemic. On the content side: \"Although most film and television production resumed beginning in the fourth quarter of fiscal 2020, we continue to see disruption of film and television production, as well as live sports events, depending on local circumstances. Fewer theatrical releases and production delays have limited the availability of film content to be sold in the subsequent home entertainment and TV/ SVOD distribution windows.\"</li>\n <li>As for the Parks, Experiences and Products segment: \"Although results have improved in the current quarter compared to the prior-year quarter from reopening our parks and resorts, we continue to be impacted by the suspension of cruise ship sailings (with an ongoing return of cruise ship sailings beginning in July 2021) and reduced operating capacities across many of our Disney Parks, Experiences and Products businesses.\"</li>\n <li>Conference call will come at 4:30 p.m. ET.</li>\n</ul>\n<p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/ae1db1aa3d9adcf732e52db95921514f\" tg-width=\"885\" tg-height=\"641\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"></p>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Disney jumps over 5% as financials, subscribers top Street expectations</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; 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Across its streaming services, including Disney+, ESPN+ and Hulu, the company is near 174 million subscribers.\nRevenues grew 45% to $17 billion, and the company swung back to a $995 million profit from last year's $4.84 billion loss.\nEarnings from continuing operations swung to a gain of 50 cents a share from a year-ago loss of $2.61 a share. Adjusted earnings jumped to 80 cents a share from 8 cents a share in the year-ago quarter.\nRevenue by segment: Disney Media and Entertainment Distribution, $12.68 billion (up 18%); Disney Parks, Experiences and Products, $4.34 billion (up 308%).\nThe company warned about the ongoing recovery from the COVID-19 pandemic. On the content side: \"Although most film and television production resumed beginning in the fourth quarter of fiscal 2020, we continue to see disruption of film and television production, as well as live sports events, depending on local circumstances. Fewer theatrical releases and production delays have limited the availability of film content to be sold in the subsequent home entertainment and TV/ SVOD distribution windows.\"\nAs for the Parks, Experiences and Products segment: \"Although results have improved in the current quarter compared to the prior-year quarter from reopening our parks and resorts, we continue to be impacted by the suspension of cruise ship sailings (with an ongoing return of cruise ship sailings beginning in July 2021) and reduced operating capacities across many of our Disney Parks, Experiences and Products businesses.\"\nConference call will come at 4:30 p.m. ET.","news_type":1,"symbols_score_info":{"DIS":0.9}},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":1043,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":498304971690712,"gmtCreate":1762679027380,"gmtModify":1762683579029,"author":{"id":"3557891754083819","authorId":"3557891754083819","name":"WolfMyFren","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/9c997f2483bc522379c036e25e760fe0","crmLevel":12,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"3557891754083819","authorIdStr":"3557891754083819"},"themes":[],"title":"","htmlText":"At least so much better than grandpa biden","listText":"At least so much better than grandpa biden","text":"At least so much better than grandpa biden","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":2,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/498304971690712","repostId":"2581176853","repostType":4,"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":185,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":399148348338760,"gmtCreate":1738473355939,"gmtModify":1738473359972,"author":{"id":"3557891754083819","authorId":"3557891754083819","name":"WolfMyFren","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/9c997f2483bc522379c036e25e760fe0","crmLevel":12,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"3557891754083819","authorIdStr":"3557891754083819"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"I dont share the same thoughts as you .Basically tesla is core&nbsp; EV&nbsp; car business, but i believe that its lithium batteries are gaining momentum., and increasing its profits year afteryear. I certainly believe that sector can easily contribute the same amt of contribution&nbsp; as compare to EV contribution in 4 to 5 years time","listText":"I dont share the same thoughts as you .Basically tesla is core&nbsp; EV&nbsp; car business, but i believe that its lithium batteries are gaining momentum., and increasing its profits year afteryear. I certainly believe that sector can easily contribute the same amt of contribution&nbsp; as compare to EV contribution in 4 to 5 years time","text":"I dont share the same thoughts as you .Basically tesla is core EV car business, but i believe that its lithium batteries are gaining momentum., and increasing its profits year afteryear. I certainly believe that sector can easily contribute the same amt of contribution as compare to EV contribution in 4 to 5 years time","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":2,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/399148348338760","repostId":"1175504218","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"1175504218","kind":"news","pubTimestamp":1738476351,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/1175504218?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2025-02-02 14:05","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Tesla: Once Again, It's Time To Trim","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1175504218","media":"Seeking Alpha","summary":"Let's dive in.Our Tesla FrameworkIn case you missed our earlier articles on TSLA, here's a quick summary of how we see the stock. Normally, we'd skip writing a section like this, but TSLA is a very volatile, speculative bet, and many investors look at the financials and see entirely different things. Thus, we think it's necessary, first, to establish how we think about the company.In short, we see TSLA as an advanced manufacturing firm, mostly producing cars. Sure, TSLA also manufactures batteri","content":"<html><head></head><body><h2 id=\"id_2350035770\">Summary</h2><ul style=\"\"><li><p>We initially rated Tesla, Inc. stock a Sell in November 2023 due to slowing growth and a lofty valuation. From there, the stock fell 31%.</p></li><li><p>Then, we upgraded Tesla in April 2024 after the market appeared too negative on shares. Since, the stock has risen 126%, driven by speculation around Robotaxis and autonomous driving.</p></li><li><p>Now, Tesla appears overvalued again. We recommend trimming TSLA from your portfolio due to overly optimistic projections around “future products”.</p></li><li><p>We&#39;re downgrading TSLA to a Sell.</p></li></ul><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/cdc1cd3d3c3dd57b72a9ddb8d4037dbd\" alt=\"White cyborg robotic hand pointing his finger - 3D rendering isolated on free PNG background.\" title=\"White cyborg robotic hand pointing his finger - 3D rendering isolated on free PNG background.\" tg-width=\"750\" tg-height=\"500\"/><span>White cyborg robotic hand pointing his finger - 3D rendering isolated on free PNG background.</span></p><p></p><p>Of all the stocks we&#39;ve covered here on Seeking Alpha, we&#39;re particularly proud of our track record when it comes to <strong>Tesla, Inc.</strong> (NASDAQ:TSLA).</p><p>Our coverage began on the stock in November 2023, when we called the stock a <strong>Sell</strong> based on the company&#39;s slowing growth and lack of progress on key initiatives. At the time, the multiple seemed a bit rich for the company&#39;s output, so we came out as bears:</p><ul style=\"\"><li><p>Tesla: The Range Of Outcomes Is Narrowing; That&#39;s A Bad Thing.</p></li></ul><p>From that point, the stock <strong>fell roughly 31%</strong>, until we upgraded it on April 9th, 2024.</p><p>At that point, shares seemed unduly beat up, in our view, and we upgraded TSLA:</p><ul style=\"\"><li><p>Tesla: When The Time Comes To Buy, You Won&#39;t Want To (Rating Upgrade).</p></li></ul><p>Since then, the stock is <strong>back up roughly 126%</strong>, in which time we put out another bullish article about Robotaxis, arguing that speculation around future gains in autonomous driving and Optimus could drive continued appreciation for investors:</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/5581c8a7e68cb36fb694d47a44ae5139\" alt=\"TSLA\" title=\"TSLA\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"412\"/><span>TSLA</span></p><p></p><p>All of this is to say that we feel like we have a “good bead” on the company&#39;s valuation and business dynamics.</p><p>From that frame, we feel that the stock has once again become &#39;too expensive&#39;, and it appears as though it could be time, once again, to trim.</p><p><strong>Today</strong>, we&#39;ll cover the recent earnings report, examine the stock&#39;s lofty valuation, and explain why, on balance, we think it&#39;s time to begin pruning TSLA out of your portfolio — at least for now.</p><p>Sound good? Let&#39;s dive in.</p><h2 id=\"id_4071302040\">Our Tesla Framework</h2><p>In case you missed our earlier articles on TSLA, here&#39;s a quick summary of how we see the stock. Normally, we&#39;d skip writing a section like this, but TSLA is a very volatile, <strong>speculative</strong> bet, and many investors look at the financials and see entirely different things. Thus, we think it&#39;s necessary, first, to establish how we think about the company.</p><p>In short, we see TSLA as an advanced manufacturing firm, <strong>mostly</strong> producing cars. Sure, TSLA also manufactures batteries and other components in its <strong>Energy</strong> segment, but at its heart, the firm is an automotive company.</p><p>Why? Because this is where most of TSLA&#39;s financial results are derived. A massive chunk of the company&#39;s revenues come from the automotive segment, which means that this is a natural point of comparison for analysts:</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/93a2427e63efa5746b2965c9ceb9e2e4\" alt=\"TSLA\" title=\"TSLA\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"80\"/><span>TSLA</span></p><p></p><p>Thus, when contrasted with competitors, Tesla&#39;s $1.3 trillion valuation can be very challenging to comprehend.</p><p>In our view, this valuation difference vs. peers is largely down to TSLA&#39;s “upcoming” product launches, mainly <strong>full self-drive (“FSD”) &amp; Robotaxis</strong>, and <strong>Optimus</strong> (the robot):</p><blockquote><p></p><p>A significant portion of Tesla&#39;s current value is tied to higher margin, non-automotive, [&#39;future&#39;] products like Robotaxi, Dojo, and Optimus.</p><p>We&#39;d estimate that about 80% of TSLA&#39;s &#39;future product&#39; value is perceived to be in the Robotaxi segment, as it is the closest to &#39;production&#39; and the most natural extension of TSLA&#39;s current business.</p><p>If you take this estimate at face value, then it means [robotaxis are] likely incredibly consequential for <strong>~65% of TSLA&#39;s market cap </strong>or about $500 billion in shareholder value.</p></blockquote><p>This estimate was from October. Since then, TSLA has rallied more than 60% while financial results have largely remained flat, which signals that basically <strong>all of this appreciation</strong> has been due to <strong>investors assigning a higher multiple</strong> to these future product launches.</p><p>For TSLA, we see two main camps within the analyst community. There are those that see the stock as a purely “car” company (and thus, overvalued), and those that see it as an advanced manufacturer of the future, including automated cars, robots, software, energy solutions, and more (which would make it undervalued).</p><p>We sit somewhere in the middle. TSLA is clearly an automotive company right now, but if the company can execute — which they have proven that they can — then there could be significantly more value that gets unlocked for investors in coming years.</p><p>As sentiment around the company shifts, our “middle of the road” understanding gives us a leg up in identifying when things &#39;extend&#39; too far in one direction or the other, which is precisely what we think we see right now.</p><h2 id=\"id_2739569595\">Tesla&#39;s Q4</h2><p>Looking at the most recent quarter, Tesla turned in what most are collectively calling a “stinker.”</p><p>Revenue came in as a massive miss, and the firm&#39;s top-line growth also left much to be desired. EPS also came in below expectations, albeit slightly.</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/c450991d7c204335d448252a6501dcd8\" alt=\"TSLA\" title=\"TSLA\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"389\"/><span>TSLA</span></p><p></p><p>All in all, it was a pretty dismal showing.</p><p>Of particular note was the company&#39;s considerable drop in TTM net income, which is largely due to TSLA&#39;s car pricing strategy (cutting) having a continued impact on margins:</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/ab5185ab57962b8842cdd2391d696294\" alt=\"TSLA\" title=\"TSLA\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"410\"/><span>TSLA</span></p><p></p><p>These tactical pricing changes are meant to keep TSLA car volumes up, but it has put serious pressure on gross margins over time.</p><p>In other words, <strong>competition</strong> is heating up, materializing, and eating into investor&#39;s bottom-line returns:</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/2c65e31186dd1af096afe7c1045b3cba\" alt=\"TSLA\" title=\"TSLA\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"302\"/><span>TSLA</span></p><p></p><p>For much of TSLA&#39;s run over the last 5 years, many bulls have argued that the company&#39;s product was differentiated enough to warrant a higher multiple, on the back of structurally higher margins. However, now, this doesn&#39;t appear to be the case.</p><p>Granted, some decline in TTM net income is from the drop-off of a positive Q4 in 2023 which had a huge, unusual tax item, but even adjusted for that, TSLA&#39;s <strong>net income is still down double-digit percentages</strong>.</p><p>Trump&#39;s cutting of EV incentives only presents further headwinds to the business.</p><p>Similarly, TSLA&#39;s profitability would be down <strong>even more</strong> without Bitcoin. As we can see from the 10K, a material percentage of TSLA&#39;s $7.1 billion in net income is from an increase in the fair value of the firm&#39;s total Bitcoin holdings (emphasis added):</p><blockquote><p>Other income (expense), net, changed favorably by <strong>$523 million</strong> in the year ended December 31, 2024 as compared to the year ended December 31, 2023 primarily due to remeasurement of our bitcoin digital assets to fair value in 2024.</p></blockquote><p>Overall, it&#39;s not a pretty picture for the core business.</p><p>Bulls might say that these pricing headwinds are transient, or that the consumer environment is cyclical, but we&#39;d counter by saying <strong>hey, that&#39;s the car business</strong>.</p><p>In other words, maybe Tesla <em>isn&#39;t</em> that different from competitors when it comes to making and selling cars.</p><h2 id=\"id_3009924548\">The Valuation</h2><p>But what is Tesla worth?</p><p>If you slap on car industry averages to Tesla&#39;s financial results, then you&#39;re looking at a P/E of ~7x and a P/S of roughly 0.6x:</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/816000a0e759e7a6c468d88f42c1758c\" alt=\"TSLA\" title=\"TSLA\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"176\"/><span>TSLA</span></p><p></p><p>This would output a market cap between roughly ~$49 billion and ~$57 billion. Considering the current market cap of <strong><em>$1.28 trillion</em></strong>, the market clearly doesn&#39;t agree with this framing.</p><p>Looking now at the earnings call, TSLA management heavily, <strong>heavily</strong> focused on the company&#39;s future product lines — mainly Optimus and robotaxis (emphasis added):</p><blockquote><p></p><p>We made many critical investments in 2024 in manufacturing AI and robotics that will bear <strong>immense</strong> fruit in the future, <strong>immense</strong>.</p><p>Like it&#39;s, in fact, to such a scale that it is difficult to comprehend. And I&#39;ve said this before, and I&#39;ll stand by it. I see a path, I&#39;m not saying it&#39;s an easy path, but I see a path for <strong>Tesla being the most valuable company in the world by far</strong>, not even close.</p><p>Like, maybe several times more than, I mean, there is a path where <strong>Tesla is worth more than the next top five companies combined</strong>. There&#39;s a path to that. I mean, I think it&#39;s like an incredibly, just like a difficult path, but it is an achievable path.</p><p>So -- and that is overwhelmingly due to <strong>autonomous vehicles</strong> and autonomous <strong>humanoid robots</strong>.</p></blockquote><p>What a sales pitch!</p><p>To us, <strong>this</strong> makes Tesla&#39;s <em>story</em> “clear.” For investors, this is clearly where the value is coming from. The core business isn&#39;t growing much anymore as the market saturates and competition heats up — fine.</p><p>However, the company&#39;s balance sheet is strong, and as long as there&#39;s serious potential in TSLA&#39;s new businesses, then the stock gets the premium.</p><p>From this point, it&#39;s a “show me” story.</p><p>For our money, investors are too optimistic about this future.</p><p>In our previous article, we laid out what an <strong>incredibly</strong> optimistic bull case for what Robotaxis could be worth, assuming that they launched this year:</p><blockquote><p></p><p>In this model, adoption is slow to start, but quickly scales as users join the network and make their idle Teslas earn while they sleep.</p><p>Again, the demand is the real constraint here, but given the likely lower cost of automated ride hail, it should prove popular with cost-conscious consumers:</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/b20aed07e35218fcce1a3d01c41ccfb0\" alt=\"TSLA\" title=\"TSLA\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"199\"/><span>TSLA</span></p><p style=\"text-align: left;\"><strong>PropNotes</strong></p><p>In this scenario, we see TSLA earning more per ride, and with a larger network of supply and demand under their control.</p><p>This scenario would represent a 60% upside for the NPV of the robotaxi segment (at a 4% discount rate), which works out to roughly 37% upside for TSLA&#39;s stock.</p><p>This works out to a share price of roughly <strong>$345 per share</strong>.</p></blockquote><p>Under this optimistic scenario, robotaxis launch immediately and gain market share quickly. In that case, we&#39;d argue Tesla is maybe worth $345 per share. Currently, the stock is trading at around $400, and robotaxis aren&#39;t expected until June, in a single city (Austin).</p><p>To us, this shows undue optimism, part of which may be caused by statements like this from management around the new product lines (emphasis added):</p><blockquote><p></p><p>I&#39;ve -- some of these things I&#39;ve said for quite a long time and I know people said, well, Elon is the boy who cried wolf-like several times but I&#39;m telling you there&#39;s a damn wolf this time and you can drive it. In fact, it can drive you. <strong>It&#39;s a self-driving wolf</strong>.</p><p>These things that already exist with no incremental cost change, just a software update, now have five times or more utility than they currently have. I think this will be the <strong>largest asset value increase in human history</strong>. Maybe there&#39;s something bigger, but I just don&#39;t know what it is. And so people who look in the rearview mirror are looking for past precedent, except I don&#39;t think there is one.</p><p>I think long-term, Optimus will be -- Optimus has the potential to be north of <strong><em>$10 trillion in revenue</em></strong>. Like, it&#39;s really bananas.</p></blockquote><p>All told, we don&#39;t expect that within a few years&#39; time, TSLA will be raking in 1/10th of global GDP in revenues on a single product alone.</p><h2 id=\"id_3741566877\">Summary</h2><p>Thus, we come to our summary of Tesla.</p><p>At this price, there&#39;s potentially significant value in the company&#39;s future projects, as the market has shown, but at present, the valuation of those projects appears too speculative.</p><p>Overall, this mispricing means that investors should consider selling out of their stakes and waiting to buy lower. If the past is anything to go by, you&#39;ll get your chance to do just that.</p><p>Cheers!</p></body></html>","source":"lsy1728464409321","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Tesla: Once Again, It's Time To Trim</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nTesla: Once Again, It's Time To Trim\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2025-02-02 14:05 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://seekingalpha.com/article/4753962-tesla-once-again-time-to-trim-double-rating-downgrade><strong>Seeking Alpha</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>SummaryWe initially rated Tesla, Inc. stock a Sell in November 2023 due to slowing growth and a lofty valuation. From there, the stock fell 31%.Then, we upgraded Tesla in April 2024 after the market ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4753962-tesla-once-again-time-to-trim-double-rating-downgrade\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"TSLA":"特斯拉"},"source_url":"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4753962-tesla-once-again-time-to-trim-double-rating-downgrade","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1175504218","content_text":"SummaryWe initially rated Tesla, Inc. stock a Sell in November 2023 due to slowing growth and a lofty valuation. From there, the stock fell 31%.Then, we upgraded Tesla in April 2024 after the market appeared too negative on shares. Since, the stock has risen 126%, driven by speculation around Robotaxis and autonomous driving.Now, Tesla appears overvalued again. We recommend trimming TSLA from your portfolio due to overly optimistic projections around “future products”.We're downgrading TSLA to a Sell.White cyborg robotic hand pointing his finger - 3D rendering isolated on free PNG background.Of all the stocks we've covered here on Seeking Alpha, we're particularly proud of our track record when it comes to Tesla, Inc. (NASDAQ:TSLA).Our coverage began on the stock in November 2023, when we called the stock a Sell based on the company's slowing growth and lack of progress on key initiatives. At the time, the multiple seemed a bit rich for the company's output, so we came out as bears:Tesla: The Range Of Outcomes Is Narrowing; That's A Bad Thing.From that point, the stock fell roughly 31%, until we upgraded it on April 9th, 2024.At that point, shares seemed unduly beat up, in our view, and we upgraded TSLA:Tesla: When The Time Comes To Buy, You Won't Want To (Rating Upgrade).Since then, the stock is back up roughly 126%, in which time we put out another bullish article about Robotaxis, arguing that speculation around future gains in autonomous driving and Optimus could drive continued appreciation for investors:TSLAAll of this is to say that we feel like we have a “good bead” on the company's valuation and business dynamics.From that frame, we feel that the stock has once again become 'too expensive', and it appears as though it could be time, once again, to trim.Today, we'll cover the recent earnings report, examine the stock's lofty valuation, and explain why, on balance, we think it's time to begin pruning TSLA out of your portfolio — at least for now.Sound good? Let's dive in.Our Tesla FrameworkIn case you missed our earlier articles on TSLA, here's a quick summary of how we see the stock. Normally, we'd skip writing a section like this, but TSLA is a very volatile, speculative bet, and many investors look at the financials and see entirely different things. Thus, we think it's necessary, first, to establish how we think about the company.In short, we see TSLA as an advanced manufacturing firm, mostly producing cars. Sure, TSLA also manufactures batteries and other components in its Energy segment, but at its heart, the firm is an automotive company.Why? Because this is where most of TSLA's financial results are derived. A massive chunk of the company's revenues come from the automotive segment, which means that this is a natural point of comparison for analysts:TSLAThus, when contrasted with competitors, Tesla's $1.3 trillion valuation can be very challenging to comprehend.In our view, this valuation difference vs. peers is largely down to TSLA's “upcoming” product launches, mainly full self-drive (“FSD”) & Robotaxis, and Optimus (the robot):A significant portion of Tesla's current value is tied to higher margin, non-automotive, ['future'] products like Robotaxi, Dojo, and Optimus.We'd estimate that about 80% of TSLA's 'future product' value is perceived to be in the Robotaxi segment, as it is the closest to 'production' and the most natural extension of TSLA's current business.If you take this estimate at face value, then it means [robotaxis are] likely incredibly consequential for ~65% of TSLA's market cap or about $500 billion in shareholder value.This estimate was from October. Since then, TSLA has rallied more than 60% while financial results have largely remained flat, which signals that basically all of this appreciation has been due to investors assigning a higher multiple to these future product launches.For TSLA, we see two main camps within the analyst community. There are those that see the stock as a purely “car” company (and thus, overvalued), and those that see it as an advanced manufacturer of the future, including automated cars, robots, software, energy solutions, and more (which would make it undervalued).We sit somewhere in the middle. TSLA is clearly an automotive company right now, but if the company can execute — which they have proven that they can — then there could be significantly more value that gets unlocked for investors in coming years.As sentiment around the company shifts, our “middle of the road” understanding gives us a leg up in identifying when things 'extend' too far in one direction or the other, which is precisely what we think we see right now.Tesla's Q4Looking at the most recent quarter, Tesla turned in what most are collectively calling a “stinker.”Revenue came in as a massive miss, and the firm's top-line growth also left much to be desired. EPS also came in below expectations, albeit slightly.TSLAAll in all, it was a pretty dismal showing.Of particular note was the company's considerable drop in TTM net income, which is largely due to TSLA's car pricing strategy (cutting) having a continued impact on margins:TSLAThese tactical pricing changes are meant to keep TSLA car volumes up, but it has put serious pressure on gross margins over time.In other words, competition is heating up, materializing, and eating into investor's bottom-line returns:TSLAFor much of TSLA's run over the last 5 years, many bulls have argued that the company's product was differentiated enough to warrant a higher multiple, on the back of structurally higher margins. However, now, this doesn't appear to be the case.Granted, some decline in TTM net income is from the drop-off of a positive Q4 in 2023 which had a huge, unusual tax item, but even adjusted for that, TSLA's net income is still down double-digit percentages.Trump's cutting of EV incentives only presents further headwinds to the business.Similarly, TSLA's profitability would be down even more without Bitcoin. As we can see from the 10K, a material percentage of TSLA's $7.1 billion in net income is from an increase in the fair value of the firm's total Bitcoin holdings (emphasis added):Other income (expense), net, changed favorably by $523 million in the year ended December 31, 2024 as compared to the year ended December 31, 2023 primarily due to remeasurement of our bitcoin digital assets to fair value in 2024.Overall, it's not a pretty picture for the core business.Bulls might say that these pricing headwinds are transient, or that the consumer environment is cyclical, but we'd counter by saying hey, that's the car business.In other words, maybe Tesla isn't that different from competitors when it comes to making and selling cars.The ValuationBut what is Tesla worth?If you slap on car industry averages to Tesla's financial results, then you're looking at a P/E of ~7x and a P/S of roughly 0.6x:TSLAThis would output a market cap between roughly ~$49 billion and ~$57 billion. Considering the current market cap of $1.28 trillion, the market clearly doesn't agree with this framing.Looking now at the earnings call, TSLA management heavily, heavily focused on the company's future product lines — mainly Optimus and robotaxis (emphasis added):We made many critical investments in 2024 in manufacturing AI and robotics that will bear immense fruit in the future, immense.Like it's, in fact, to such a scale that it is difficult to comprehend. And I've said this before, and I'll stand by it. I see a path, I'm not saying it's an easy path, but I see a path for Tesla being the most valuable company in the world by far, not even close.Like, maybe several times more than, I mean, there is a path where Tesla is worth more than the next top five companies combined. There's a path to that. I mean, I think it's like an incredibly, just like a difficult path, but it is an achievable path.So -- and that is overwhelmingly due to autonomous vehicles and autonomous humanoid robots.What a sales pitch!To us, this makes Tesla's story “clear.” For investors, this is clearly where the value is coming from. The core business isn't growing much anymore as the market saturates and competition heats up — fine.However, the company's balance sheet is strong, and as long as there's serious potential in TSLA's new businesses, then the stock gets the premium.From this point, it's a “show me” story.For our money, investors are too optimistic about this future.In our previous article, we laid out what an incredibly optimistic bull case for what Robotaxis could be worth, assuming that they launched this year:In this model, adoption is slow to start, but quickly scales as users join the network and make their idle Teslas earn while they sleep.Again, the demand is the real constraint here, but given the likely lower cost of automated ride hail, it should prove popular with cost-conscious consumers:TSLAPropNotesIn this scenario, we see TSLA earning more per ride, and with a larger network of supply and demand under their control.This scenario would represent a 60% upside for the NPV of the robotaxi segment (at a 4% discount rate), which works out to roughly 37% upside for TSLA's stock.This works out to a share price of roughly $345 per share.Under this optimistic scenario, robotaxis launch immediately and gain market share quickly. In that case, we'd argue Tesla is maybe worth $345 per share. Currently, the stock is trading at around $400, and robotaxis aren't expected until June, in a single city (Austin).To us, this shows undue optimism, part of which may be caused by statements like this from management around the new product lines (emphasis added):I've -- some of these things I've said for quite a long time and I know people said, well, Elon is the boy who cried wolf-like several times but I'm telling you there's a damn wolf this time and you can drive it. In fact, it can drive you. It's a self-driving wolf.These things that already exist with no incremental cost change, just a software update, now have five times or more utility than they currently have. I think this will be the largest asset value increase in human history. Maybe there's something bigger, but I just don't know what it is. And so people who look in the rearview mirror are looking for past precedent, except I don't think there is one.I think long-term, Optimus will be -- Optimus has the potential to be north of $10 trillion in revenue. Like, it's really bananas.All told, we don't expect that within a few years' time, TSLA will be raking in 1/10th of global GDP in revenues on a single product alone.SummaryThus, we come to our summary of Tesla.At this price, there's potentially significant value in the company's future projects, as the market has shown, but at present, the valuation of those projects appears too speculative.Overall, this mispricing means that investors should consider selling out of their stakes and waiting to buy lower. 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Additionally, electric vehicle sales growth has slowed as momentum in the sector seems to be plateauing now that early adopters have already purchased an EV, and EV stocks have struggled in general this year.Through Oct. 23, the stock was down 14% year to date, underperforming the S&P 500, which had gained 21%, by a wide margin, as the chart below shows.TSLA data by YChartsHowever, since then, the stock has been on fire. The company first impressed investors with its third-quarter earnings report, which showed strong profit growth, and CEO Elon Musk predicted that vehicle production would increase by 20% to 30% in 2025, a significant improvement from flat growth in 2024.Then, Tesla soared following the election as Musk's big bet on Trump seemed to pay off. Investors seem to be hopeful that the Trump administration will make it easier for Tesla to roll out its new Cybercab, also known as the robotaxi. Tesla is also planning to launch an affordably priced Model Q at under $30,000 in the first half of 2025. As you can see from the chart below, through Dec. 17, the stock is up a whopping 125% in less than two months.TSLA data by YChartsAs you can see, Tesla is bringing a lot of momentum in the new year. So, will the stock keep gaining, or is it destined for a pullback? Here are a few things to watch.Image source: Tesla.High expectations are now baked inTesla stock was already expensive before its recent rally, but its valuation now seems to have fully detached from the underlying business. The stock trades at a price-to-earnings ratio of 200, which is much more expensive than any of its \"Magnificent Seven\" peers, none of which trade at a P/E above 51.At that price, it will be difficult for Tesla to meet expectations as a carmaker alone, as the company is already selling nearly 2 million vehicles a year. Those high expectations seemed to be based on Musk's own predictions for the company's autonomous vehicle business, as he said that Tesla would be the most valuable company in the world if its robotaxi marketplace takes off. Considering that the Cybercab hasn't yet gone into production and that there are regulatory hurdles for the company to overcome, it's certainly not guaranteed that its driverless cars will replace Uber as Musk has envisioned.How much help will Trump really be?Tesla stock has nearly doubled since the election, and Musk's chummy relationship with Trump is a major reason why. Musk spent hundreds of millions of dollars on Trump's campaign and appeared on stage with him several times. He's also been tapped to run the new Department of Government Efficiency, in charge of ferreting out government waste.However, Musk and Trump are unlikely bedfellows in some ways. First, Trump is known to support fossil fuels over green energy, and his administration has already indicated that it will eliminate the $7,500 EV tax credit. 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(NASDAQ:PLTR) and in both, I rated the stock as a “Sell”. One article was published in September 2024, the other was published in December 2024. Looking back at these two articles, it seems like I made huge investing mistakes. In both articles, I argued that Palantir is way too expensive, but the stock just continues to rally. Since my last article, the stock has increased 70%, and since my article in September, the stock has increased by 200% in only 5 months.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/abeb294a2fb369684702de60aeeda901\" alt=\"Ratings for Palantir (Seeking Alpha)\" title=\"Ratings for Palantir (Seeking Alpha)\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"206\"/><span>Ratings for Palantir (Seeking Alpha)</span></p><p>At least when looking at other analysts, I am not the only one who is bearish (or at least neutral). In the last 30 days, 18 out of 46 Seeking Alpha analysts rated the stock as a “Sell” or “Strong Sell”. I hope I am not killing the suspense, but I will now also change my rating for “Sell” to “Strong Sell” because Palantir’s stock price is far beyond reasonable.</p><p>In the following article, I will explain once again why I believe Palantir stopped being an investment we can justify on a fundamental basis long ago – despite the business growing at a high pace and growth even accelerating in the last few quarters.</p><h2 id=\"id_1569289676\">Valuation Multiples</h2><p>We once again start by looking at valuation multiples. Although not the perfect metric to determine if a stock is over- or undervalued, it is a starting point. And the problem of Palantir can be summed up in the following way: The stock price is increasing at a fast pace, and this would be acceptable if growth rates are justifying that. This would result in valuation multiples remaining at the same level. If a great business was constantly trading for 50 times free cash flow because free cash flow is growing with a pace of 50% annually it is acceptable if the stock price is also increasing 50% annually.</p><p>But in case of Palantir, the situation is different. Over the last few months, the valuation multiples exploded, and we can look at three different valuation multiples – and all three show clear signs of irrational exuberance in my view.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/256d33729c7ec99d3ec09640370bee2c\" alt=\"Data by YCharts\" title=\"Data by YCharts\" tg-width=\"635\" tg-height=\"439\"/><span>Data by YCharts</span></p><p>When looking at the P/E ratio, Palantir is trading for 617 times earnings. When looking at the P/FCF ratio, the stock is trading only for 252 times free cash flow, but both metrics are beyond being reasonable. Now we can argue that earnings per share and free cash flow can fluctuate heavily and as we are always using the trailing twelve months numbers to calculate these valuation multiples, we are dependent on the reported numbers in the last twelve months. This is the reason forward ratios are often used, but even the forward P/E ratio is currently 213.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/8c83dbf8453c4489faf43a24a226b35f\" alt=\"Data by YCharts\" title=\"Data by YCharts\" tg-width=\"635\" tg-height=\"424\"/><span>Data by YCharts</span></p><p>Aside from P/FCF and P/E ratio, we can look at the price-sales ratio, which is above 100. And to mention the counterargument right away: the price-sales ratio has its limitations to reflect constantly improving margins. But that discussion is moot because 100 times sales (and we are not talking about a small company anymore, Palantir is already generating close to $3 billion in sales) is beyond reasonable. Maybe you are familiar with the quote of Scott McNealy, the CEO of Sun Microsystems during the Dotcom bubble, who gave an interview a few years later:</p><blockquote><p>At 10 times revenues, to give you a 10-year payback, I have to pay you 100% of revenues for 10 straight years in dividends. That assumes I can get that by my shareholders. That assumes I have zero cost of goods sold, which is very hard for a computer company. That assumes zero expenses, which is really hard with 39,000 employees. That assumes I pay no taxes, which is very hard. And that assumes you pay no taxes on your dividends, which is kind of illegal. And that assumes with zero R&amp;D for the next 10 years, I can maintain the current revenue run rate. Now, having done that, would any of you like to buy my stock at $64? Do you realize how ridiculous those basic assumptions are? You don’t need any transparency. You don’t need any footnotes. What were you thinking?</p></blockquote><p>Maybe we will read a similar statement about Palantir in a few years from now. Additionally, we always have to remember that McNealy was talking about a stock trading for 10 times sales, and we are talking about a stock trading for 100 times sales.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/4718b51efcc91c251fbff829061a1ae0\" alt=\"Sparkline Capital\" title=\"Sparkline Capital\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"465\"/><span>Sparkline Capital</span></p><p>When looking back at some of the peak valuation multiples during the Dotcom bubble, we can conclude that 10 times sales was not as extreme as there were several companies trading for P/S ratios way above 100. But when looking at the valuation multiples today and focus on the S&amp;P 500, there are no stocks trading for a P/S ratio above 100 and while there are 45 companies trading for a price-sales ratio above 10, no stock is coming close to Palantir. NVIDIA Corporation (NVDA) and CrowdStrike Holdings (CRWD) are trading for 30 times sales, and the Texas Pacific Land Corporation (TPL) is runner-up with a price-sales ratio of 45.</p><h2 id=\"id_696151339\">Quarterly Results</h2><p>The counterargument for high valuation multiples is usually explosive growth. In case of Palantir, I don’t want to deny that the business is growing with a high pace and growth is accelerating. When looking at the full-year results, revenue increased from $2,225 million in fiscal 2023 to $2,866 million in fiscal 2024 – resulting in 28.8% year-over-year growth. Income from operations increased even 159% year-over-year from $120.0 million in fiscal 2023 to $310.4 million in fiscal 2024. And diluted earnings per share increased from $0.09 in fiscal 2023 to $0.19 in fiscal 2024 – resulting in 111% bottom-line growth. Finally, adjusted free cash flow increased from $730.5 million in fiscal 2023 to $1,249 million in fiscal 2024.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/5792381a21239fb644f6c6f1826f96c2\" alt=\"Palantir Q4/24 Earnings Release\" title=\"Palantir Q4/24 Earnings Release\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"604\"/><span>Palantir Q4/24 Earnings Release</span></p><p>We can also look at fourth quarter results. Revenue increased from $608.4 million in Q4/23 to $827.5 million in Q4/24. Income from operations, however, declined from $65.8 million in the same quarter last year to $11.0 million in Q4/24. Diluted earnings per share declined from $0.04 in Q4/23 to $0.04 in Q4/24. And adjusted free cash flow in the fourth quarter increased 69.8% year-over-year from $304.8 million in Q4/23 to $517.4 million in Q4/24. The adjusted free cash flow margin improved from 50% in Q4/23 to 63% in Q4/24. The declining bottom line and declining operating income in the fourth quarter is mostly the result of much higher expenses for sales and marketing ($288 million compared to $197 million) and higher expenses for research and development ($109 million vs. $171.5 million this quarter).</p><h2 id=\"id_4231512336\">Accelerating Growth</h2><p>Aside from impressive results and high growth in fiscal 2024, we can also point out that growth is accelerating in the recent past. When looking at quarterly revenue growth in the last few years, Palantir has been growing with a higher pace at one point but since mid-2023, revenue growth accelerated from 12.8% YoY growth to 36% YoY growth right now.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/a40c6714967558e087988a0c415c8b20\" alt=\"Data by YCharts\" title=\"Data by YCharts\" tg-width=\"635\" tg-height=\"424\"/><span>Data by YCharts</span></p><p>However, growth will obviously not accelerate in 2025 anymore. For the full year, management is expecting revenue to be between $3,741 million and $3,757 million resulting in about 31.0% to 31.5% year-over-year growth. Adjusted free cash flow is projected to be between $1.5 billion and $1.7 billion resulting in 20% to 36% YoY growth.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/d263a55dc5b404921a17dc0dec756f8e\" alt=\"Palantir Q4/24 Presentation\" title=\"Palantir Q4/24 Presentation\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"360\"/><span>Palantir Q4/24 Presentation</span></p><p>Of course, I don’t want to badmouth Palantir’s results and guidance and for the next ten years until fiscal 2034, analysts are expecting growth rates of 30% annually, which are extremely high growth rates.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/43b9e85545cdbb4d3ff12d0f420be424\" alt=\"Palantir: Consensus EPS Estimates (Seeking Alpha)\" title=\"Palantir: Consensus EPS Estimates (Seeking Alpha)\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"360\"/><span>Palantir: Consensus EPS Estimates (Seeking Alpha)</span></p><p>And aside from expecting high growth rates, analysts are getting more optimistic about revenue and earnings per share in the years to come. Especially in the recent past, analysts got more optimistic about earnings per share in the next few years.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/57c29f54e3457d41a891e2aa8fc73d69\" alt=\"Palantir: Consensus EPS Revisions (Seeking Alpha)\" title=\"Palantir: Consensus EPS Revisions (Seeking Alpha)\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"413\"/><span>Palantir: Consensus EPS Revisions (Seeking Alpha)</span></p><h2 id=\"id_1630883688\">Intrinsic Value Calculation</h2><p>The problem with these growth rates is quite simple: 36% revenue growth in Q4/24 and a CAGR of 30% for earnings per share in the next ten years are very impressive. But it is nowhere near enough to make Palantir fairly valued right now.</p><p>In the following sections, we use a discount cash flow calculation to determine an intrinsic value. And for such a calculation we usually must make several assumptions. As a basis for our calculation, we take the midpoint of the guidance for fiscal 2025 ($1.6 billion in free cash flow). Additionally, we calculate with 2,528 million shares outstanding and as always, we are calculating with a 10% discount rate (as this is the annual return we like to achieve at least).</p><p>When calculating with these assumptions, Palantir must grow 36% annually for the next ten years, followed by 6% growth until perpetuity. And we can look at these numbers a little closer and point out where the challenges might lie. For starters, 6% growth until perpetuity is considered too high and unreasonable by the CFI, which is recommending a terminal growth rate not higher than 4%. But let’s be optimistic and assume Palantir can grow at a high pace for a long time.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/b0c9dd68b683bc29e32df02a5e9bdada\" alt=\"Data by YCharts\" title=\"Data by YCharts\" tg-width=\"635\" tg-height=\"424\"/><span>Data by YCharts</span></p><p>A second problem is one I mentioned several times in the past, but it needs to be addressed again. Palantir is continuing to dilute its shares outstanding and in fiscal 2024 the number of diluted shares increased by 7.2% once again and to offset such a dilution, Palantir must grow its bottom line 43% annually for the next ten years.</p><p>Bottom line growth can usually stem from many different sources – share buybacks, margin improvement or top line growth. Share buybacks are nothing we should talk about right now. A second way to grow bottom line is by improving margins. And while we can certainly argue that operating margin has room to improve, gross margin is already high. But what is most important is the free cash flow margin, which is already 40%. And while we can always be optimistic and assume higher margins, we should be cautious about how optimistic we are. Palantir’s free cash flow guidance for fiscal 2025 is already assuming a free cash flow margin of 45% (on the upper end).</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/a1657f28c5d539d80deb699c7b54b8b0\" alt=\"Data by YCharts\" title=\"Data by YCharts\" tg-width=\"635\" tg-height=\"503\"/><span>Data by YCharts</span></p><p>In my opinion, we should not bet on margin improvements to contribute to bottom line growth. We should rather be a little cautious if Palantir can maintain a 45% free cash flow margin over the long run. Such a margin is certainly possible, but we should not take it for granted.</p><p>This leaves mostly the top line, which must contribute to growth. And despite reasons to be optimistic, I don’t know if we should really expect growth rates between 40% and 45% for the next 10 years. Once again, it is possible, but it is not a bet I am willing to take, and I believe the risk of losing a lot of money in the next few years is high.</p><h2 id=\"id_910261078\">Sentiment, Psychology, and Correction</h2><p>Before we come to an end and conclude once again that Palantir is extremely overvalued, we must talk about something else. How is it possible that people have made a lot of money when Palantir is extremely overvalued? And: Why is Palantir continuing to rise and rise when it is so extremely overvalued?</p><p>For example, if someone had bought close to the low of $6 in late 2022, the position gained 1,850% in a little more than two years. And even those that bought half a year ago – at a point where I already argue that Palantir is extremely overvalued – the profits were still impressive. And bulls will probably argue that I (and many others) just have to accept that the bearish position was wrong because the stock price, and bulls making money is the best proof of the bulls being right all along.</p><p>The answer is very simple: Sentiment is driving the stock market and therefore stock prices, which are not justified in any way from a fundamental point of view, are possible for a long time – sometimes even several years or longer. But at some point, these “inconsistencies” will always (!) be resolved. The “problem” is that extreme overvaluation can be solved in several ways.</p><p>One way and the most common ways is a crash of the stock price. Extreme overvaluation of a stock or index is usually followed by a very steep decline. In this scenario, those investors buying at a high price or close to the top will lose a lot of money. These are crashes we remember – like the Dotcom bubble, the Great Financial Crisis or many stocks belonging to the Nifty Fifty.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/920c2cbdb7c97ddc3e4e668b99cc617b\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"285\"/></p><p style=\"text-align: left;\"><strong>Exemplary chart data created with Python script (Author&#39;s work)</strong></p><p>But there is a second way. Extreme overvaluation can also be resolved by a stock stagnating for several years (or maybe even decades). In this scenario, the stock price is remaining at the same level, but with fundamentals continuing to improve – revenue and free cash flow increase – the valuation multiples decline until the stock is reasonably valued and can continue its increase.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/c3e31f4bd6a5139d66bc4dfb9883da23\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"343\"/></p><p style=\"text-align: left;\"><strong>Exemplary chart data created with Python script (Author&#39;s work)</strong></p><p>And there is a third way, which is the most dangerous, as it tells investors they were right all along buying Palantir for 100 times sales. For companies growing at a high pace (and Palantir is falling into that category) it is possible that the stock price is growing at a slower pace than fundamentals. Palantir can, for example, grow its free cash flow 25% annually for the next ten years while the stock price is growing only 5% or 8% annually. This will also resolve the high valuation over time. Similar to a beautiful deleveraging Ray Dalio is describing, this would be the scenario of a “beautiful bubble burst”. In this scenario, investors will not make a lot of money, but they also won’t have the feeling of having invested in an extremely overvalued stock.</p><p>Predicting which path a stock will go seems almost impossible, and therefore buying Palantir at this point is extremely risky (to avoid stronger terms here). Of course, there are scenarios where investors might not lose money as the stock continues to increase. However – and this is important – the stock is still not a good investment, as the stock climbs very slowly. In the end, fundamentals matter.</p><h2 id=\"id_626303204\">Conclusion</h2><p>Even with a theoretical scenario in which investors in Palantir could make a little money over the next decade, the stock is extremely overvalued and in the wide range of potential investments in the United States it is very close to the bottom with zero or negative potential returns. The most likely scenario is Palantir declining steeply in the next few years as it is becoming more difficult to justify the current stock price. 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(NASDAQ:PLTR) and in both, I rated the stock as a “Sell”. One article was published in September 2024, the other was published in December 2024. Looking back at these two articles, it seems like I made huge investing mistakes. In both articles, I argued that Palantir is way too expensive, but the stock just continues to rally. Since my last article, the stock has increased 70%, and since my article in September, the stock has increased by 200% in only 5 months.Ratings for Palantir (Seeking Alpha)At least when looking at other analysts, I am not the only one who is bearish (or at least neutral). In the last 30 days, 18 out of 46 Seeking Alpha analysts rated the stock as a “Sell” or “Strong Sell”. I hope I am not killing the suspense, but I will now also change my rating for “Sell” to “Strong Sell” because Palantir’s stock price is far beyond reasonable.In the following article, I will explain once again why I believe Palantir stopped being an investment we can justify on a fundamental basis long ago – despite the business growing at a high pace and growth even accelerating in the last few quarters.Valuation MultiplesWe once again start by looking at valuation multiples. Although not the perfect metric to determine if a stock is over- or undervalued, it is a starting point. And the problem of Palantir can be summed up in the following way: The stock price is increasing at a fast pace, and this would be acceptable if growth rates are justifying that. This would result in valuation multiples remaining at the same level. If a great business was constantly trading for 50 times free cash flow because free cash flow is growing with a pace of 50% annually it is acceptable if the stock price is also increasing 50% annually.But in case of Palantir, the situation is different. Over the last few months, the valuation multiples exploded, and we can look at three different valuation multiples – and all three show clear signs of irrational exuberance in my view.Data by YChartsWhen looking at the P/E ratio, Palantir is trading for 617 times earnings. When looking at the P/FCF ratio, the stock is trading only for 252 times free cash flow, but both metrics are beyond being reasonable. Now we can argue that earnings per share and free cash flow can fluctuate heavily and as we are always using the trailing twelve months numbers to calculate these valuation multiples, we are dependent on the reported numbers in the last twelve months. This is the reason forward ratios are often used, but even the forward P/E ratio is currently 213.Data by YChartsAside from P/FCF and P/E ratio, we can look at the price-sales ratio, which is above 100. And to mention the counterargument right away: the price-sales ratio has its limitations to reflect constantly improving margins. But that discussion is moot because 100 times sales (and we are not talking about a small company anymore, Palantir is already generating close to $3 billion in sales) is beyond reasonable. Maybe you are familiar with the quote of Scott McNealy, the CEO of Sun Microsystems during the Dotcom bubble, who gave an interview a few years later:At 10 times revenues, to give you a 10-year payback, I have to pay you 100% of revenues for 10 straight years in dividends. That assumes I can get that by my shareholders. That assumes I have zero cost of goods sold, which is very hard for a computer company. That assumes zero expenses, which is really hard with 39,000 employees. That assumes I pay no taxes, which is very hard. And that assumes you pay no taxes on your dividends, which is kind of illegal. And that assumes with zero R&D for the next 10 years, I can maintain the current revenue run rate. Now, having done that, would any of you like to buy my stock at $64? Do you realize how ridiculous those basic assumptions are? You don’t need any transparency. You don’t need any footnotes. What were you thinking?Maybe we will read a similar statement about Palantir in a few years from now. Additionally, we always have to remember that McNealy was talking about a stock trading for 10 times sales, and we are talking about a stock trading for 100 times sales.Sparkline CapitalWhen looking back at some of the peak valuation multiples during the Dotcom bubble, we can conclude that 10 times sales was not as extreme as there were several companies trading for P/S ratios way above 100. But when looking at the valuation multiples today and focus on the S&P 500, there are no stocks trading for a P/S ratio above 100 and while there are 45 companies trading for a price-sales ratio above 10, no stock is coming close to Palantir. NVIDIA Corporation (NVDA) and CrowdStrike Holdings (CRWD) are trading for 30 times sales, and the Texas Pacific Land Corporation (TPL) is runner-up with a price-sales ratio of 45.Quarterly ResultsThe counterargument for high valuation multiples is usually explosive growth. In case of Palantir, I don’t want to deny that the business is growing with a high pace and growth is accelerating. When looking at the full-year results, revenue increased from $2,225 million in fiscal 2023 to $2,866 million in fiscal 2024 – resulting in 28.8% year-over-year growth. Income from operations increased even 159% year-over-year from $120.0 million in fiscal 2023 to $310.4 million in fiscal 2024. And diluted earnings per share increased from $0.09 in fiscal 2023 to $0.19 in fiscal 2024 – resulting in 111% bottom-line growth. Finally, adjusted free cash flow increased from $730.5 million in fiscal 2023 to $1,249 million in fiscal 2024.Palantir Q4/24 Earnings ReleaseWe can also look at fourth quarter results. Revenue increased from $608.4 million in Q4/23 to $827.5 million in Q4/24. Income from operations, however, declined from $65.8 million in the same quarter last year to $11.0 million in Q4/24. Diluted earnings per share declined from $0.04 in Q4/23 to $0.04 in Q4/24. And adjusted free cash flow in the fourth quarter increased 69.8% year-over-year from $304.8 million in Q4/23 to $517.4 million in Q4/24. The adjusted free cash flow margin improved from 50% in Q4/23 to 63% in Q4/24. The declining bottom line and declining operating income in the fourth quarter is mostly the result of much higher expenses for sales and marketing ($288 million compared to $197 million) and higher expenses for research and development ($109 million vs. $171.5 million this quarter).Accelerating GrowthAside from impressive results and high growth in fiscal 2024, we can also point out that growth is accelerating in the recent past. When looking at quarterly revenue growth in the last few years, Palantir has been growing with a higher pace at one point but since mid-2023, revenue growth accelerated from 12.8% YoY growth to 36% YoY growth right now.Data by YChartsHowever, growth will obviously not accelerate in 2025 anymore. For the full year, management is expecting revenue to be between $3,741 million and $3,757 million resulting in about 31.0% to 31.5% year-over-year growth. Adjusted free cash flow is projected to be between $1.5 billion and $1.7 billion resulting in 20% to 36% YoY growth.Palantir Q4/24 PresentationOf course, I don’t want to badmouth Palantir’s results and guidance and for the next ten years until fiscal 2034, analysts are expecting growth rates of 30% annually, which are extremely high growth rates.Palantir: Consensus EPS Estimates (Seeking Alpha)And aside from expecting high growth rates, analysts are getting more optimistic about revenue and earnings per share in the years to come. Especially in the recent past, analysts got more optimistic about earnings per share in the next few years.Palantir: Consensus EPS Revisions (Seeking Alpha)Intrinsic Value CalculationThe problem with these growth rates is quite simple: 36% revenue growth in Q4/24 and a CAGR of 30% for earnings per share in the next ten years are very impressive. But it is nowhere near enough to make Palantir fairly valued right now.In the following sections, we use a discount cash flow calculation to determine an intrinsic value. And for such a calculation we usually must make several assumptions. As a basis for our calculation, we take the midpoint of the guidance for fiscal 2025 ($1.6 billion in free cash flow). Additionally, we calculate with 2,528 million shares outstanding and as always, we are calculating with a 10% discount rate (as this is the annual return we like to achieve at least).When calculating with these assumptions, Palantir must grow 36% annually for the next ten years, followed by 6% growth until perpetuity. And we can look at these numbers a little closer and point out where the challenges might lie. For starters, 6% growth until perpetuity is considered too high and unreasonable by the CFI, which is recommending a terminal growth rate not higher than 4%. But let’s be optimistic and assume Palantir can grow at a high pace for a long time.Data by YChartsA second problem is one I mentioned several times in the past, but it needs to be addressed again. Palantir is continuing to dilute its shares outstanding and in fiscal 2024 the number of diluted shares increased by 7.2% once again and to offset such a dilution, Palantir must grow its bottom line 43% annually for the next ten years.Bottom line growth can usually stem from many different sources – share buybacks, margin improvement or top line growth. Share buybacks are nothing we should talk about right now. A second way to grow bottom line is by improving margins. And while we can certainly argue that operating margin has room to improve, gross margin is already high. But what is most important is the free cash flow margin, which is already 40%. And while we can always be optimistic and assume higher margins, we should be cautious about how optimistic we are. Palantir’s free cash flow guidance for fiscal 2025 is already assuming a free cash flow margin of 45% (on the upper end).Data by YChartsIn my opinion, we should not bet on margin improvements to contribute to bottom line growth. We should rather be a little cautious if Palantir can maintain a 45% free cash flow margin over the long run. Such a margin is certainly possible, but we should not take it for granted.This leaves mostly the top line, which must contribute to growth. And despite reasons to be optimistic, I don’t know if we should really expect growth rates between 40% and 45% for the next 10 years. Once again, it is possible, but it is not a bet I am willing to take, and I believe the risk of losing a lot of money in the next few years is high.Sentiment, Psychology, and CorrectionBefore we come to an end and conclude once again that Palantir is extremely overvalued, we must talk about something else. How is it possible that people have made a lot of money when Palantir is extremely overvalued? And: Why is Palantir continuing to rise and rise when it is so extremely overvalued?For example, if someone had bought close to the low of $6 in late 2022, the position gained 1,850% in a little more than two years. And even those that bought half a year ago – at a point where I already argue that Palantir is extremely overvalued – the profits were still impressive. And bulls will probably argue that I (and many others) just have to accept that the bearish position was wrong because the stock price, and bulls making money is the best proof of the bulls being right all along.The answer is very simple: Sentiment is driving the stock market and therefore stock prices, which are not justified in any way from a fundamental point of view, are possible for a long time – sometimes even several years or longer. But at some point, these “inconsistencies” will always (!) be resolved. The “problem” is that extreme overvaluation can be solved in several ways.One way and the most common ways is a crash of the stock price. Extreme overvaluation of a stock or index is usually followed by a very steep decline. In this scenario, those investors buying at a high price or close to the top will lose a lot of money. These are crashes we remember – like the Dotcom bubble, the Great Financial Crisis or many stocks belonging to the Nifty Fifty.Exemplary chart data created with Python script (Author's work)But there is a second way. Extreme overvaluation can also be resolved by a stock stagnating for several years (or maybe even decades). In this scenario, the stock price is remaining at the same level, but with fundamentals continuing to improve – revenue and free cash flow increase – the valuation multiples decline until the stock is reasonably valued and can continue its increase.Exemplary chart data created with Python script (Author's work)And there is a third way, which is the most dangerous, as it tells investors they were right all along buying Palantir for 100 times sales. For companies growing at a high pace (and Palantir is falling into that category) it is possible that the stock price is growing at a slower pace than fundamentals. Palantir can, for example, grow its free cash flow 25% annually for the next ten years while the stock price is growing only 5% or 8% annually. This will also resolve the high valuation over time. Similar to a beautiful deleveraging Ray Dalio is describing, this would be the scenario of a “beautiful bubble burst”. In this scenario, investors will not make a lot of money, but they also won’t have the feeling of having invested in an extremely overvalued stock.Predicting which path a stock will go seems almost impossible, and therefore buying Palantir at this point is extremely risky (to avoid stronger terms here). Of course, there are scenarios where investors might not lose money as the stock continues to increase. However – and this is important – the stock is still not a good investment, as the stock climbs very slowly. In the end, fundamentals matter.ConclusionEven with a theoretical scenario in which investors in Palantir could make a little money over the next decade, the stock is extremely overvalued and in the wide range of potential investments in the United States it is very close to the bottom with zero or negative potential returns. The most likely scenario is Palantir declining steeply in the next few years as it is becoming more difficult to justify the current stock price. And therefore, the only rating making sense right now is a “Strong Sell” rating.","news_type":1,"symbols_score_info":{"PLTR":1.1}},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":1551,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":395133542130152,"gmtCreate":1737478422148,"gmtModify":1737478425553,"author":{"id":"3557891754083819","authorId":"3557891754083819","name":"WolfMyFren","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/9c997f2483bc522379c036e25e760fe0","crmLevel":12,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"3557891754083819","authorIdStr":"3557891754083819"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"<a href=\"https://ttm.financial/S/AAPL\">$Apple(AAPL)$&nbsp;</a> Should i hold&nbsp; or sell ?","listText":"<a href=\"https://ttm.financial/S/AAPL\">$Apple(AAPL)$&nbsp;</a> Should i hold&nbsp; or sell ?","text":"$Apple(AAPL)$ Should i hold or sell ?","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":1,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/395133542130152","repostId":"2505732223","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"2505732223","kind":"highlight","pubTimestamp":1737471411,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/2505732223?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2025-01-21 22:56","market":"hk","language":"en","title":"Apple Stock Slides Nearly 4%. 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The stock is down 8.2% in January, as of its last close, putting it on track for its biggest one-month decline since September 2023. It has dropped more than 11% from a December peak.The company was downgraded to hold at Loop Capital and cut to underperform at Jefferies, which became a rare firm with the equivalent of a sell rating on the stock. Just 8.5% of the analysts tracked by Bloomberg have a bearish rating, while about 63% have the equivalent of a buy.Jefferies analyst Edison Lee writes that recent weakness in iPhone sales has been worse than expected, with the China market a particular concern. Independent research indicates that iPhone sales sank 18.2% in China during the December quarter, while global unit sales fell about 5% in the final quarter of last year amid higher China competition.Citing a third-party survey, Lee added that “US consumers do not yet find smartphone AI useful,” meaning that it is “unlikely to kickstart a super upgrade cycle anytime soon.” Given these trends, he wrote, Apple’s March quarter guidance could disappoint.Concurrently, Loop also cite concerns on iPhone weakness, expecting a “material iPhone demand reduction” beginning in the March quarter “but materially amplifying” in the subsequent two quarters. While the drivers of the firm’s former buy rating could still materialize, analyst Ananda Baruah wrote, “it certainly won’t be for the next nine months given we’re on the front end of 2.5 Q’s of materially softening iPhone demand.”Apple is scheduled to report its first-quarter results next week.With the downgrades, Apple’s recommendation consensus — a proxy for the ratio of buy, hold, and sell ratings — stands at 4.02 out of five, its lowest since May, and down from an August peak of about 4.3. Just over 60% of the analysts tracked by Bloomberg recommend buying the stock, a rate well below other megacap tech stocks, where the percentage of buy ratings tops 80% or even 90%.MoffettNathanson downgraded the stock earlier this month, citing concerns in China and the stock’s valuation.","news_type":1,"symbols_score_info":{"AAPL":1}},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":1866,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":378178366038152,"gmtCreate":1733356427880,"gmtModify":1733356431681,"author":{"id":"3557891754083819","authorId":"3557891754083819","name":"WolfMyFren","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/9c997f2483bc522379c036e25e760fe0","crmLevel":12,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"3557891754083819","authorIdStr":"3557891754083819"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"I believe palantir is a good company&nbsp;","listText":"I believe palantir is a good company&nbsp;","text":"I believe palantir is a good company","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":1,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/378178366038152","repostId":"1180472314","repostType":4,"repost":{"id":"1180472314","kind":"news","pubTimestamp":1733309230,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/1180472314?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2024-12-04 18:47","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Palantir: Long Way Down","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1180472314","media":"Seeking Alpha","summary":"SummaryPalantir Technologies Inc. is extremely overvalued, trading at 57x forward sales, with a market cap exceeding $150 billion despite modest revenue growth.The company's fundamentals are improving","content":"<html><head></head><body><h2 id=\"id_1837729091\">Summary</h2><ul style=\"\"><li><p>Palantir Technologies Inc. is extremely overvalued, trading at 57x forward sales, with a market cap exceeding $150 billion despite modest revenue growth.</p></li><li><p>The company&#39;s fundamentals are improving, but the current valuation is unsustainable, risking significant downside if growth stalls or estimates are missed.</p></li><li><p>Multiple expansion has driven recent gains, but comparisons to Snowflake and Zoom highlight the potential for severe valuation contraction.</p></li><li><p>Investors face the risk of either minimal returns or substantial losses over the coming years, making Palantir a precarious investment.</p></li><li><p>I am Mark Holder (aka Stone Fox Capital), a CPA with degrees in Accounting and Finance. I attempt to uncover potential multibaggers while managing portfolio risk via diversification.</p></li></ul><p>Palantir Technologies, Inc. is a prime example of how a stock can trade at any price possible, whether a fraction of cash value or a huge multiple of sales. The stock market requires investors to figure out how to handle vastly different valuations, which currently is the case of an extreme overvaluation in Palantir. My investment thesis is extremely Bearish on the stock, which is reaching wildly expensive P/S ratios at $70.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/6dcce018e428282dc5758b501a617931\" alt=\"Finviz Chart\" title=\"Finviz Chart\" tg-width=\"1280\" tg-height=\"440\"/><span>Finviz Chart</span></p><h2 id=\"id_4162667494\">Learn The Value</h2><p>Palantir has soared the last couple of months, going from $30 to start September to over $70 to start December. The AI software company reported a big Q3 revenue beat of $22 million and sales growth accelerating to 30%. The stock has now gained over $70 billion in valuation on a minimal $22 million revenue beat.</p><p>The business saw U.S. commercial sales soar 54% with accounts up 77%. The market definitely has a big reason to be excited about the future in AI.</p><p>Palantir even announced the FedRAMP authorization to potentially boost sales to the U.S. government for secure cloud services. The U.S. govt. sector was lagging, but Q3 sales jumped 40% YoY to reach $320 million.</p><p>An investor has every reason to be excited about the potential business opportunity. One can look at the current market cap topping $150 billion and extract how Palantir can eventually match the size of the Magnificent 7 stocks with market caps topping $1 trillion, but investors need to be careful here.</p><p>Stocks only have 2 basic ways for gaining value: improving fundamentals or multiple expansion.</p><p><em>Improving Fundamentals</em></p><p>Palantir definitely falls into the category of improving fundamentals. The AI software company reported Q3 sales grew at a 30% clip, but the company only reached sales of $725 million.</p><p>In a valuation multiple neutral scenario, the stock should rally at a similar 30% clip annually to match sales growth. The consensus analyst estimates have sales rising ~25% annually over the next couple of years.</p><p>Investors also need to take a step back and realize the huge customer success is coming off a tiny base. Palantir only had 181 U.S. commercial customers last Q3, and the number is now 321.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/9bbfadf7244ccb992c1f76b187fad650\" alt=\"Source: Palantir Tech. Q3&#39;24 presentation\" title=\"Source: Palantir Tech. Q3&#39;24 presentation\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"287\"/><span>Source: Palantir Tech. Q3&#39;24 presentation</span></p><p>The company grew sequential accounts by just 9% in Q3 &#39;24 after growing at a 22% clip back during the December quarter. The net new accounts only grew by 26, which was down from the pace of 40+ accounts each quarter earlier this year when the AI software excitement started.</p><p><em>Multiple Expansion</em></p><p>Most investors don&#39;t seem to understand the multiple expansion concept. The prime way to make a substantial amount of money in a stock over the short term is via multiple expansion.</p><p>Multiple expansion occurs when investors feel the fundamentals of the company are improving to the point of rerating the valuation multiple assigned to the stock at a higher level. A stock can trade at a below-market multiple, and improving results can end up with the multiple expanding to a market multiple. Or, the market can decide a stock is worthy of a premium valuation, such as the case with Palantir.</p><p>Palantir and <strong>Meta Platforms</strong> (META) are prime examples of how stocks can generate massive gains and end up in vastly different situations. Meta has rallied from below $100 to $610 in the past 2 years, with the stock only expanding the forward P/S multiple to just above 9x. Palantir has rallied from an already stretched multiple to reach 57x forward sales.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/81d8c8388ca54bef84910cee5df38683\" alt=\"Data by YCharts\" title=\"Data by YCharts\" tg-width=\"635\" tg-height=\"470\"/><span>Data by YCharts</span></p><p>The equation is even stranger when considering Meta is growing at a 20% clip, while Palantir only grew at a faster clip in the last quarter at 30%. Meta only trades at 23x EPS estimates, suggesting the stock isn&#39;t overvalued and investors can generate solid returns over time holding the stock. Palantir trades at over 140x 2025 EPS estimates, suggesting the stock would need years, upon years, to grow into this multiple.</p><p>Palantir even faces the Zoom Video (ZM) scenario where all the gains are given back, especially if AI growth stalls. Zoom was off to the races during the COVID-19 shutdowns, with the stock reaching a market cap of $175 billion at the peak above $560 per share, while the sales forecasts hit $4 billion. The below chart doesn&#39;t provide the correct numbers due to the use of a TTM P/S ratio, but the chart does provide the scale and how multiple contraction occurs when sales growth normalizes.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/712403af993281dc025a5ccade948c67\" alt=\"Data by YCharts\" title=\"Data by YCharts\" tg-width=\"635\" tg-height=\"439\"/><span>Data by YCharts</span></p><p>Palantir definitely appears to have stronger long-term growth prospects than Zoom Video, but AI could end up being a gimmick, such as Covid shutdowns. The market could shift on a dime and the AI software company could end up trading at 5x forward sales, or the equivalent of somewhere below a $20 billion market cap based on 2025 sales of $3.5 billion.</p><h3 id=\"id_1203048867\">Dead Money</h3><p>The company could actually grow sales at a 25% annual clip for the next 4 years and the stock would still trade at 25x forward sales in 2028. The current consensus target is for 2028 sales of $6.2 billion.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/2b42a5a08305251ed687690d2b4525cf\" alt=\"Source: Seeking Alpha\" title=\"Source: Seeking Alpha\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"141\"/><span>Source: Seeking Alpha</span></p><p><strong>Snowflake</strong> (SNOW),<strong> Salesforce</strong> (CRM), and <strong>CrowdStrike</strong> (CRWD) are some examples of very successful software companies with stocks trading at rich valuations. All of these stocks trade below 25x forward sales, with Snowflake providing another grave warning of the negative outcomes of paying too rich a valuation multiple for a hot stock.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/02b13e3a822053f9eb490cac81a32ab8\" alt=\"Data by YCharts\" title=\"Data by YCharts\" tg-width=\"635\" tg-height=\"504\"/><span>Data by YCharts</span></p><p>Snowflake came public trading at 50x forward sales, with the stock surging to $400. Over 4 years later, one has to decide if the AI data stock is worth owning at $174 (down 55% over the period) still trading at 16x forward sales.</p><p>The really bad news for investors is that one can make the case for how Palantir could ultimately be worth the valuation of a Magnificent 7 stock in the future. However, the software companies above have market caps only in the $50 to $300 billion range. While software is an attractive business model with higher gross margins, software has limitations in market size and the ability to scale when reliant on enterprises and governments, especially in international locations.</p><p>If Palantir traded at 10x 2028 revenue targets of $6.2 billion, the stock would only have a market cap of $62 billion in 3 to 4 years. The stock would trade at $25 a few years from now, using the 2.46 billion shares outstanding and not factoring in any impact from higher share counts due to substantial stock-based compensation.</p><h2 id=\"id_1830845348\">Takeaway</h2><p>The key investor takeaway is that Palantir Technologies Inc. stock is extremely overvalued. The stock could easily run even higher, but the downside risk is even further.</p><p>Investors have plenty of examples of where a stock is either dead money for years, or the stock valuation gets crushed after a company misses estimates. The investment story ultimately comes down to one either losses a small amount over the coming years, or one loses all the gains of the last year. Neither outcome is very attractive.</p></body></html>","source":"lsy1728464409321","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Palantir: Long Way Down</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nPalantir: Long Way Down\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2024-12-04 18:47 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://seekingalpha.com/article/4741896-palantir-long-way-down><strong>Seeking Alpha</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>SummaryPalantir Technologies Inc. is extremely overvalued, trading at 57x forward sales, with a market cap exceeding $150 billion despite modest revenue growth.The company's fundamentals are improving...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4741896-palantir-long-way-down\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"PLTR":"Palantir Technologies Inc."},"source_url":"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4741896-palantir-long-way-down","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1180472314","content_text":"SummaryPalantir Technologies Inc. is extremely overvalued, trading at 57x forward sales, with a market cap exceeding $150 billion despite modest revenue growth.The company's fundamentals are improving, but the current valuation is unsustainable, risking significant downside if growth stalls or estimates are missed.Multiple expansion has driven recent gains, but comparisons to Snowflake and Zoom highlight the potential for severe valuation contraction.Investors face the risk of either minimal returns or substantial losses over the coming years, making Palantir a precarious investment.I am Mark Holder (aka Stone Fox Capital), a CPA with degrees in Accounting and Finance. I attempt to uncover potential multibaggers while managing portfolio risk via diversification.Palantir Technologies, Inc. is a prime example of how a stock can trade at any price possible, whether a fraction of cash value or a huge multiple of sales. The stock market requires investors to figure out how to handle vastly different valuations, which currently is the case of an extreme overvaluation in Palantir. My investment thesis is extremely Bearish on the stock, which is reaching wildly expensive P/S ratios at $70.Finviz ChartLearn The ValuePalantir has soared the last couple of months, going from $30 to start September to over $70 to start December. The AI software company reported a big Q3 revenue beat of $22 million and sales growth accelerating to 30%. The stock has now gained over $70 billion in valuation on a minimal $22 million revenue beat.The business saw U.S. commercial sales soar 54% with accounts up 77%. The market definitely has a big reason to be excited about the future in AI.Palantir even announced the FedRAMP authorization to potentially boost sales to the U.S. government for secure cloud services. The U.S. govt. sector was lagging, but Q3 sales jumped 40% YoY to reach $320 million.An investor has every reason to be excited about the potential business opportunity. One can look at the current market cap topping $150 billion and extract how Palantir can eventually match the size of the Magnificent 7 stocks with market caps topping $1 trillion, but investors need to be careful here.Stocks only have 2 basic ways for gaining value: improving fundamentals or multiple expansion.Improving FundamentalsPalantir definitely falls into the category of improving fundamentals. The AI software company reported Q3 sales grew at a 30% clip, but the company only reached sales of $725 million.In a valuation multiple neutral scenario, the stock should rally at a similar 30% clip annually to match sales growth. The consensus analyst estimates have sales rising ~25% annually over the next couple of years.Investors also need to take a step back and realize the huge customer success is coming off a tiny base. Palantir only had 181 U.S. commercial customers last Q3, and the number is now 321.Source: Palantir Tech. Q3'24 presentationThe company grew sequential accounts by just 9% in Q3 '24 after growing at a 22% clip back during the December quarter. The net new accounts only grew by 26, which was down from the pace of 40+ accounts each quarter earlier this year when the AI software excitement started.Multiple ExpansionMost investors don't seem to understand the multiple expansion concept. The prime way to make a substantial amount of money in a stock over the short term is via multiple expansion.Multiple expansion occurs when investors feel the fundamentals of the company are improving to the point of rerating the valuation multiple assigned to the stock at a higher level. A stock can trade at a below-market multiple, and improving results can end up with the multiple expanding to a market multiple. Or, the market can decide a stock is worthy of a premium valuation, such as the case with Palantir.Palantir and Meta Platforms (META) are prime examples of how stocks can generate massive gains and end up in vastly different situations. Meta has rallied from below $100 to $610 in the past 2 years, with the stock only expanding the forward P/S multiple to just above 9x. Palantir has rallied from an already stretched multiple to reach 57x forward sales.Data by YChartsThe equation is even stranger when considering Meta is growing at a 20% clip, while Palantir only grew at a faster clip in the last quarter at 30%. Meta only trades at 23x EPS estimates, suggesting the stock isn't overvalued and investors can generate solid returns over time holding the stock. Palantir trades at over 140x 2025 EPS estimates, suggesting the stock would need years, upon years, to grow into this multiple.Palantir even faces the Zoom Video (ZM) scenario where all the gains are given back, especially if AI growth stalls. Zoom was off to the races during the COVID-19 shutdowns, with the stock reaching a market cap of $175 billion at the peak above $560 per share, while the sales forecasts hit $4 billion. The below chart doesn't provide the correct numbers due to the use of a TTM P/S ratio, but the chart does provide the scale and how multiple contraction occurs when sales growth normalizes.Data by YChartsPalantir definitely appears to have stronger long-term growth prospects than Zoom Video, but AI could end up being a gimmick, such as Covid shutdowns. The market could shift on a dime and the AI software company could end up trading at 5x forward sales, or the equivalent of somewhere below a $20 billion market cap based on 2025 sales of $3.5 billion.Dead MoneyThe company could actually grow sales at a 25% annual clip for the next 4 years and the stock would still trade at 25x forward sales in 2028. The current consensus target is for 2028 sales of $6.2 billion.Source: Seeking AlphaSnowflake (SNOW), Salesforce (CRM), and CrowdStrike (CRWD) are some examples of very successful software companies with stocks trading at rich valuations. All of these stocks trade below 25x forward sales, with Snowflake providing another grave warning of the negative outcomes of paying too rich a valuation multiple for a hot stock.Data by YChartsSnowflake came public trading at 50x forward sales, with the stock surging to $400. Over 4 years later, one has to decide if the AI data stock is worth owning at $174 (down 55% over the period) still trading at 16x forward sales.The really bad news for investors is that one can make the case for how Palantir could ultimately be worth the valuation of a Magnificent 7 stock in the future. However, the software companies above have market caps only in the $50 to $300 billion range. While software is an attractive business model with higher gross margins, software has limitations in market size and the ability to scale when reliant on enterprises and governments, especially in international locations.If Palantir traded at 10x 2028 revenue targets of $6.2 billion, the stock would only have a market cap of $62 billion in 3 to 4 years. The stock would trade at $25 a few years from now, using the 2.46 billion shares outstanding and not factoring in any impact from higher share counts due to substantial stock-based compensation.TakeawayThe key investor takeaway is that Palantir Technologies Inc. stock is extremely overvalued. The stock could easily run even higher, but the downside risk is even further.Investors have plenty of examples of where a stock is either dead money for years, or the stock valuation gets crushed after a company misses estimates. The investment story ultimately comes down to one either losses a small amount over the coming years, or one loses all the gains of the last year. 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In the last 12 months, its net income has risen to $476.6 million, up from $209.8 million. Comparatively, it reported cumulative net losses of over $2 billion between 2020 and 2022.The AI software company has reported a positive free cash flow since 2021. Its free cash flow in the last 12 months has totaled $980.3 million, up from $321.2 million in 2019. Analysts expect its free cash flow to rise to $1.16 billion in 2025 ","content":"<div>\n<p>Palantir Technologies is an artificial intelligence (AI)-powered tech stock that has captured Wall Street's imagination in 2024. 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With a market cap of nearly $150 billion, Palantir stock has returned ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://www.barchart.com/story/news/29798064/will-palantir-stock-hit-75-a-share\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"PLTR":"Palantir Technologies Inc."},"source_url":"https://www.barchart.com/story/news/29798064/will-palantir-stock-hit-75-a-share","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1133033719","content_text":"Palantir Technologies is an artificial intelligence (AI)-powered tech stock that has captured Wall Street's imagination in 2024. With a market cap of nearly $150 billion, Palantir stock has returned 280% to shareholders year-to-date. The company went public in September 2020, and has since generated returns of almost 600%. Palantir builds and deploys software platforms for governments and companies in the U.S. and other international markets. Its products include:Palantir Gotham: A platform allowing users to identify hidden patterns within deep data sets. It helps operators plan and execute real-world responses to threats identified within the platform.Palantir Foundry: A platform that disrupts how enterprises operate as it creates a central operating system for their data, which users can integrate and analyze in a single place. Let’s see if PLTR stock is overvalued after its breakout rally this year, or if it can continue moving higher over the next 12 months. A Strong Performance In Q3Palantir shares jumped 20% following its solid Q3 earnings results, in which it reported revenue of $726 million and adjusted earnings of $0.10 per share. Comparatively, Wall Street expected revenue of $701 million and earnings of $0.09 per share in the September quarter. While sales rose 30%, Palantir's net income more than doubled year over year. The company’s co-founder and CEO, Alex Karp, attributed its revenue beat in Q3 to “unrelenting AI demand that won’t slow down,” emphasizing the strong adoption of AI solutions from the U.S. government base. Palantir projected revenue between $767 million and $771 million in Q4, comfortably surpassing consensus estimates of $741.4 million. It expects total sales to grow by 26% year over year to $2.81 billion, beating estimates of $2.76 billion. Management targets the U.S. commercial segment to generate $687 million in sales in 2024, up 24% from the year-ago period. Notably, international commercial sales were down 7% from Q2 due to lower demand from Europe and a fall in revenue from a government-sponsored entity in the Middle East. Is PLTR Stock Overvalued?Palantir’s outsized gains in 2024 can be tied to an improving bottom line. In the last 12 months, its net income has risen to $476.6 million, up from $209.8 million. Comparatively, it reported cumulative net losses of over $2 billion between 2020 and 2022. The AI software company has reported a positive free cash flow since 2021. Its free cash flow in the last 12 months has totaled $980.3 million, up from $321.2 million in 2019. Analysts expect its free cash flow to rise to $1.16 billion in 2025 and $1.5 billion in 2026. Further, analysts expect earnings to expand from $0.25 in 2024 to $0.6 in 2026. So, priced at 110x forward earnings, PLTR stock trades at a lofty valuation. Despite its expensive multiples, Bank of America just reiterated its “Buy” rating for PLTR stock, and raised its price target to a new Street-high of $75 from $55. BofA explained Palantir’s growth in U.S. markets and a widening competitive moat make it a top investment choice as it now serves a wide range of clients across sectors. The investment bank projects the Government business to grow by 29% annually in the next three years, up from 24%, and said that Palantir is well-positioned to digitize business processes as companies turn to AI and automation to boost profitability. Due to rising demand, BofA expects Palantir’s Commercial business to grow by 34% annually over the next three years, up from an earlier forecast of 32%. BofA's bullish opinion is a rare one for Palantir. Out of the 15 analysts covering PLTR stock, only two recommend a “strong buy,” while six recommend a “hold,” and seven suggest a “moderate sell” or “strong sell.” The average target price for the tech stock is $33.78, indicating a downside of almost 49% from current levels. 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Woohoo, it been awhile.","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":1,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/894255776","repostId":"1182304144","repostType":4,"repost":{"id":"1182304144","kind":"news","weMediaInfo":{"introduction":"Providing stock market headlines, business news, financials and earnings ","home_visible":1,"media_name":"Tiger Newspress","id":"1079075236","head_image":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/8274c5b9d4c2852bfb1c4d6ce16c68ba"},"pubTimestamp":1628777611,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/1182304144?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2021-08-12 22:13","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Palantir Technologies shares gain nearly 12% in early trading as raising sales forecast on strong government uptake.","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1182304144","media":"Tiger Newspress","summary":"Palantir Technologies shares gain nearly 12% in early trading as raising sales forecast on strong go","content":"<p>Palantir&nbsp;Technologies&nbsp;shares&nbsp;gain&nbsp;nearly&nbsp;12%&nbsp;in&nbsp;early&nbsp;trading&nbsp;as&nbsp;raising sales forecast on strong government uptake.</p>\n<p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/548ca8b78dadac26cb4d35346f52e7cb\" tg-width=\"894\" tg-height=\"619\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\">Palantir Technologies Inc. forecast sales of its data software will grow 33% in the third quarter, reflecting heightened demand from government agencies and that more companies are beginning to sign up.</p>\n<p>Revenue will be about $385 million in the period ending in September, the Denver-based company said in a statement Thursday. That exceeds the company’s previous outlook as well as an average of analysts’ estimates compiled by Bloomberg.</p>\n<p>Palantir has been recruiting an array of corporate allies with the goal of attracting new customers. It forged partnerships this year with International Business Machines Corp. and Fujitsu Ltd. to resell its technology and with Amazon Web Services to support it. Palantir also expanded its own sales team.</p>\n<p>The search went even wider last month to include small companies. Palantir began selling its software through a monthly subscription to a handful of startups connected to former employees. The company also invested in a dozen startups and signed them up as customers, marking a reversal of its previous approach to only pursue large deals.</p>\n<p>“We’ve always invested in companies. Now we can do it with our balance sheet,” Kevin Kawasaki, the head of business development, said on a conference call with analysts Thursday. “This is a long-term strategy.”</p>\n<p>The shifting strategy came at a cost. The second-quarter loss was 7 cents a share. Stock-based compensation accounts for a hefty portion.</p>\n<p>Sales results in the quarter were encouraging. Palantir reported $376 million in revenue for the period that ended in June, up 49% from a year earlier.</p>\n<p>Many government agencies have flocked to Palantir since last year to help them analyze the Covid-19 pandemic. Government sales remained healthy in the second quarter at a growth rate of 66%, the company said. It was 83% in the first quarter.</p>\n<p>The U.S. National Nuclear Security Administration, the U.S. Coast Guard, the Federal Aviation Administration and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention all signed deals during the second quarter. “The government business is on fire,” said Shyam Sankar, the chief operating officer.</p>\n<p>Corporate customers make up a smaller pool of Palantir’s revenue, but renewed efforts there appear to be paying off. U.S. sales growth in the commercial segment was 90% in the second quarter.</p>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Palantir Technologies shares gain nearly 12% in early trading as raising sales forecast on strong government uptake.</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nPalantir Technologies shares gain nearly 12% in early trading as raising sales forecast on strong government uptake.\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n<a class=\"head\" href=\"https://laohu8.com/wemedia/1079075236\">\n\n\n<div class=\"h-thumb\" style=\"background-image:url(https://static.tigerbbs.com/8274c5b9d4c2852bfb1c4d6ce16c68ba);background-size:cover;\"></div>\n\n<div class=\"h-content\">\n<p class=\"h-name\">Tiger Newspress </p>\n<p class=\"h-time\">2021-08-12 22:13</p>\n</div>\n\n</a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<p>Palantir&nbsp;Technologies&nbsp;shares&nbsp;gain&nbsp;nearly&nbsp;12%&nbsp;in&nbsp;early&nbsp;trading&nbsp;as&nbsp;raising sales forecast on strong government uptake.</p>\n<p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/548ca8b78dadac26cb4d35346f52e7cb\" tg-width=\"894\" tg-height=\"619\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\">Palantir Technologies Inc. forecast sales of its data software will grow 33% in the third quarter, reflecting heightened demand from government agencies and that more companies are beginning to sign up.</p>\n<p>Revenue will be about $385 million in the period ending in September, the Denver-based company said in a statement Thursday. That exceeds the company’s previous outlook as well as an average of analysts’ estimates compiled by Bloomberg.</p>\n<p>Palantir has been recruiting an array of corporate allies with the goal of attracting new customers. It forged partnerships this year with International Business Machines Corp. and Fujitsu Ltd. to resell its technology and with Amazon Web Services to support it. Palantir also expanded its own sales team.</p>\n<p>The search went even wider last month to include small companies. Palantir began selling its software through a monthly subscription to a handful of startups connected to former employees. The company also invested in a dozen startups and signed them up as customers, marking a reversal of its previous approach to only pursue large deals.</p>\n<p>“We’ve always invested in companies. Now we can do it with our balance sheet,” Kevin Kawasaki, the head of business development, said on a conference call with analysts Thursday. “This is a long-term strategy.”</p>\n<p>The shifting strategy came at a cost. The second-quarter loss was 7 cents a share. Stock-based compensation accounts for a hefty portion.</p>\n<p>Sales results in the quarter were encouraging. Palantir reported $376 million in revenue for the period that ended in June, up 49% from a year earlier.</p>\n<p>Many government agencies have flocked to Palantir since last year to help them analyze the Covid-19 pandemic. Government sales remained healthy in the second quarter at a growth rate of 66%, the company said. It was 83% in the first quarter.</p>\n<p>The U.S. National Nuclear Security Administration, the U.S. Coast Guard, the Federal Aviation Administration and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention all signed deals during the second quarter. “The government business is on fire,” said Shyam Sankar, the chief operating officer.</p>\n<p>Corporate customers make up a smaller pool of Palantir’s revenue, but renewed efforts there appear to be paying off. U.S. sales growth in the commercial segment was 90% in the second quarter.</p>\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"PLTR":"Palantir Technologies Inc."},"is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1182304144","content_text":"Palantir Technologies shares gain nearly 12% in early trading as raising sales forecast on strong government uptake.\nPalantir Technologies Inc. forecast sales of its data software will grow 33% in the third quarter, reflecting heightened demand from government agencies and that more companies are beginning to sign up.\nRevenue will be about $385 million in the period ending in September, the Denver-based company said in a statement Thursday. That exceeds the company’s previous outlook as well as an average of analysts’ estimates compiled by Bloomberg.\nPalantir has been recruiting an array of corporate allies with the goal of attracting new customers. It forged partnerships this year with International Business Machines Corp. and Fujitsu Ltd. to resell its technology and with Amazon Web Services to support it. Palantir also expanded its own sales team.\nThe search went even wider last month to include small companies. Palantir began selling its software through a monthly subscription to a handful of startups connected to former employees. The company also invested in a dozen startups and signed them up as customers, marking a reversal of its previous approach to only pursue large deals.\n“We’ve always invested in companies. Now we can do it with our balance sheet,” Kevin Kawasaki, the head of business development, said on a conference call with analysts Thursday. “This is a long-term strategy.”\nThe shifting strategy came at a cost. The second-quarter loss was 7 cents a share. Stock-based compensation accounts for a hefty portion.\nSales results in the quarter were encouraging. Palantir reported $376 million in revenue for the period that ended in June, up 49% from a year earlier.\nMany government agencies have flocked to Palantir since last year to help them analyze the Covid-19 pandemic. Government sales remained healthy in the second quarter at a growth rate of 66%, the company said. It was 83% in the first quarter.\nThe U.S. National Nuclear Security Administration, the U.S. Coast Guard, the Federal Aviation Administration and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention all signed deals during the second quarter. “The government business is on fire,” said Shyam Sankar, the chief operating officer.\nCorporate customers make up a smaller pool of Palantir’s revenue, but renewed efforts there appear to be paying off. U.S. sales growth in the commercial segment was 90% in the second quarter.","news_type":1,"symbols_score_info":{"PLTR":0.9}},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":1251,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0}],"lives":[]}