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的存储设备，价格高昂。于是2008年9月，王坚从微软离职加入阿里成为首席架构师，开始去“IOE”。2009年，阿里巴巴成立十周年之际，阿里云计算有限公司成立，王坚任总裁。</p><p>但阿里内部不管是对于这个空降的高管，还是对于所谓的云计算都甚为不解，尤其王坚还是心理学出身，现在却要搞云端！</p><p>很长一段时间里，阿里云都没做出什么成果，每年业绩垫底，内部每每传出部门要拆掉的消息。对于王坚，大家则认为这是个“骗子”。</p><p>2010年的时候，一个从微软研究院出来跟随王坚的老部下离职，他对王坚说，做云计算的感觉就像集体合抱一棵大树，谁都知道最终大家的手会连在一起，但谁也不知道那一刻会发生在何时。</p><p>最阴暗的一年是那个被称作世界末日的2012。</p><p>当时阿里云想进入手机操作系统，然后发布了阿里云OS，很快取得与宏碁的合作。不过随后就被谷歌强制二选一，阿里云OS遭宏碁放弃。</p><p>另外一个打击来自内部。最初阿里云只能靠内部支持，但因为阿里云早期并不成熟，bug频出，内部也不愿意使用。那年，阿里金融和淘宝的聚石塔项目就找到负责人，表达了想用回淘宝的技术体系。最后几乎是在强迫之下，才迫使他们用阿里云。这年双十一上，阿里云支撑的聚石塔完成全部订单20%的处理。</p><p>2012年的公司年会上，王坚，这个已经50岁的男人上台演讲，泣不成声：“这两年我挨的骂甚至比我一辈子挨的骂还多。”那年，正是阿里云被传裁撤最疯狂的时候，许多员工要么离开阿里，要么转岗到阿里正蒸蒸日上的电商业务线上去。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/d5581394be2cf4daeacbe0d1fcc4a071\" tg-width=\"550\" tg-height=\"273\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/>（图源：网络）</p><p>后来，马云发话了，“我每年给阿里云投 10 个亿，投个十年，做不出来再说。”</p><p>2013年对于阿里云是一个重要的日子，这年阿里云完成了“飞天5K”项目并正式运营，此后一年多时间里，阿里巴巴、蚂蚁金服完成所有数据的迁移。2014年，马云开始到各个省去见领导，为阿里云谈合作，年中时候，阿里云有了140万的客户。</p><p>此时，阿里最大的股东软银集团总裁孙正义也为阿里云摇旗呐喊：“阿里云的前途不可限量，它是互联网的未来”。</p><p>至此，王坚，这个被马云评价为“技术100分，管理0分”的“大男孩”，终于扔掉了骗子的帽子。</p><p><b>收获季节里的危机</b></p><p>过后几年，阿里也有过一些技术的创新，比如2016年用人工智能，成功预测了“我是歌手”冠军；2017年发布的全球首台全浸没液冷服务器“麒麟”，通过把服务器浸放在液体里冷却，减少了以往用空调散热产生的巨大功耗。</p><p>不过总的来说，此时的阿里云已经到了场景应用阶段，需要变现了。阿里云从过去只给一些中小企业服务，到此时已经可以为12306、双十一这样的极具挑战性的场景提供服务。</p><p>2015年的时候，阿里首次公开云计算在该财年的收入：13亿，占了总收入的1.7%。2021财年，阿里云营收达到601亿，占了总营收的8%，已经成为阿里零售业务之外最大的收入业务。</p><p>根据国际研究机构Gartner的数据，2021年，阿里云在全球云计算IaaS市场排名第三，在亚太地区排名第一，市场份额达到25%。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/2fa12ccc90a55851e8b311cbfb00b8e6\" tg-width=\"550\" tg-height=\"196\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>得益于阿里在云计算上的提早布局，阿里云拥有在云计算的先发优势，并转变为营收。但近两年，可以看到的是，阿里云所具有的这种先发优势，随着时间推移，正被慢慢消释。这主要有以下两个数据表现：</p><p>一，早些年的高增速增长态势已经不可持续。</p><p>在2019到2021的三个财年里，阿里云的营收节节攀升，但增速却显著下滑，分别为84%、62%、50%。到2022财年的前三个季度已经降到了30%、33%、20%。按照这个趋势，2022整个财年，阿里云的总体增速会跌破30%。</p><p>二，阿里云的市场份额正被慢慢蚕食。</p><p>阿里云仍是国内“云”市场份额第一的企业，但是这个第一的份量正在缩减。据Canalys数据，2019年Q1阿里云国内云计算市场的份额是47%，但到了2021年Q4就降到了37%。</p><p>这里面除了腾讯云、华为云、天翼云这些老对手，还在于冒出来了一些原本不存在的竞争对手，比如字节跳动。去年12月，字节跳动启动火山引擎，正式在云上与众大厂角逐。而此前，字节跳动（国外业务）还是阿里云的客户。</p><p>还有一点值得关注的是，虽然阿里云是国内最大的“云”服务商，这几年云业务也逐渐成为仅次于阿里核心零售业务之外的第二大收入来源，但是阿里云在2021财年Q3（自然年2020年Q4）才首次实现盈利。从这方面来说，阿里云仍是一个刚刚下脚走路的小孩。</p><p>现在，正是云计算市场竞争白热化的阶段，各云厂商为了争夺市场求生存，压低价格又会持续一段时间，阿里云如果追求盈利，可能会面对失去更多市场的风险。</p><p><b>互联网躺平，政务是云端的下次战争？</b></p><p>增长永远是商业的首要目标。眼看这几年云业务的增速下滑，市场份额被蚕食，阿里难免着急了。</p><p>2020年9月，阿里发布“云钉一体”战略，钉钉与阿里云进行融合，高层进行了一次大的人员调整。这件事对于阿里云最直接的好处就是，拓展了客户的入口。有分析认为，正是通过钉钉，阿里云在成立十多年后，才在2020年第四季度首次实现盈利。</p><p>但自家的粥总有吃完的一天，阿里云要实现持续的增长还是要向外拓展。</p><p>财报显示，截至去年末，互联网客户依然是阿里云收入的主要来源，占比达到了48%。但一个不争的事实是，过去几年互联网的增长已经到了一个“躺平”的阶段，妄想在这里找到新增量已经不现实。阿里云深处行业中心，自然明白其中的道理。</p><p>2021年4月，时任阿里巴巴集团副总裁、阿里云中国区总裁任庚对阿里云组织架构进行的一次大的调整，即在原有的数字政府、金融、新零售外，新增了传媒运营商、电力、互联网、交通、汽车等18个行业部门，并提出“三年1000亿元”的KPI。</p><p>遗憾的是，这次意图通过散点打击抢占云计算市场份额的策略没有奏效。近日，媒体报道任庚离职，而华为前EBG（企业事业群）中国区总裁蔡英华空降阿里集团任资深副总裁、阿里云全球销售总裁。</p><p>华为云是阿里云一个无法忽视的对手。自2017年成立以来，华为云以67%的增速增长，2021年的市场份额达到了18%，已经超过了腾讯云成为中国第二朵“云”。</p><p>众所周知，华为云最擅长的就是政企客户，这次阿里云招来的蔡英华，曾任华为中国政企业务总裁，对政企业务十分熟悉，这对华为拓展政企客户大有裨益。</p><p>此外，据中商产业研究院数据，政务是除互联网之外，中国云计算最大的市场。不出意外，接下来政务客户就是阿里云要重点发力的领域。</p><p><img 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的存储设备，价格高昂。于是2008年9月，王坚从微软离职加入阿里成为首席架构师，开始去“IOE”。2009年，阿里巴巴成立十周年之际，阿里云计算有限公司成立，王坚任总裁。但阿里内部不管是对于这个空降的高管，还是对于所谓的云计算都甚为不解，尤其王坚还是心理学出身，现在却要搞云端！很长一段时间里，阿里云都没做出什么成果，每年业绩垫底，内部每每传出部门要拆掉的消息。对于王坚，大家则认为这是个“骗子”。2010年的时候，一个从微软研究院出来跟随王坚的老部下离职，他对王坚说，做云计算的感觉就像集体合抱一棵大树，谁都知道最终大家的手会连在一起，但谁也不知道那一刻会发生在何时。最阴暗的一年是那个被称作世界末日的2012。当时阿里云想进入手机操作系统，然后发布了阿里云OS，很快取得与宏碁的合作。不过随后就被谷歌强制二选一，阿里云OS遭宏碁放弃。另外一个打击来自内部。最初阿里云只能靠内部支持，但因为阿里云早期并不成熟，bug频出，内部也不愿意使用。那年，阿里金融和淘宝的聚石塔项目就找到负责人，表达了想用回淘宝的技术体系。最后几乎是在强迫之下，才迫使他们用阿里云。这年双十一上，阿里云支撑的聚石塔完成全部订单20%的处理。2012年的公司年会上，王坚，这个已经50岁的男人上台演讲，泣不成声：“这两年我挨的骂甚至比我一辈子挨的骂还多。”那年，正是阿里云被传裁撤最疯狂的时候，许多员工要么离开阿里，要么转岗到阿里正蒸蒸日上的电商业务线上去。（图源：网络）后来，马云发话了，“我每年给阿里云投 10 个亿，投个十年，做不出来再说。”2013年对于阿里云是一个重要的日子，这年阿里云完成了“飞天5K”项目并正式运营，此后一年多时间里，阿里巴巴、蚂蚁金服完成所有数据的迁移。2014年，马云开始到各个省去见领导，为阿里云谈合作，年中时候，阿里云有了140万的客户。此时，阿里最大的股东软银集团总裁孙正义也为阿里云摇旗呐喊：“阿里云的前途不可限量，它是互联网的未来”。至此，王坚，这个被马云评价为“技术100分，管理0分”的“大男孩”，终于扔掉了骗子的帽子。收获季节里的危机过后几年，阿里也有过一些技术的创新，比如2016年用人工智能，成功预测了“我是歌手”冠军；2017年发布的全球首台全浸没液冷服务器“麒麟”，通过把服务器浸放在液体里冷却，减少了以往用空调散热产生的巨大功耗。不过总的来说，此时的阿里云已经到了场景应用阶段，需要变现了。阿里云从过去只给一些中小企业服务，到此时已经可以为12306、双十一这样的极具挑战性的场景提供服务。2015年的时候，阿里首次公开云计算在该财年的收入：13亿，占了总收入的1.7%。2021财年，阿里云营收达到601亿，占了总营收的8%，已经成为阿里零售业务之外最大的收入业务。根据国际研究机构Gartner的数据，2021年，阿里云在全球云计算IaaS市场排名第三，在亚太地区排名第一，市场份额达到25%。得益于阿里在云计算上的提早布局，阿里云拥有在云计算的先发优势，并转变为营收。但近两年，可以看到的是，阿里云所具有的这种先发优势，随着时间推移，正被慢慢消释。这主要有以下两个数据表现：一，早些年的高增速增长态势已经不可持续。在2019到2021的三个财年里，阿里云的营收节节攀升，但增速却显著下滑，分别为84%、62%、50%。到2022财年的前三个季度已经降到了30%、33%、20%。按照这个趋势，2022整个财年，阿里云的总体增速会跌破30%。二，阿里云的市场份额正被慢慢蚕食。阿里云仍是国内“云”市场份额第一的企业，但是这个第一的份量正在缩减。据Canalys数据，2019年Q1阿里云国内云计算市场的份额是47%，但到了2021年Q4就降到了37%。这里面除了腾讯云、华为云、天翼云这些老对手，还在于冒出来了一些原本不存在的竞争对手，比如字节跳动。去年12月，字节跳动启动火山引擎，正式在云上与众大厂角逐。而此前，字节跳动（国外业务）还是阿里云的客户。还有一点值得关注的是，虽然阿里云是国内最大的“云”服务商，这几年云业务也逐渐成为仅次于阿里核心零售业务之外的第二大收入来源，但是阿里云在2021财年Q3（自然年2020年Q4）才首次实现盈利。从这方面来说，阿里云仍是一个刚刚下脚走路的小孩。现在，正是云计算市场竞争白热化的阶段，各云厂商为了争夺市场求生存，压低价格又会持续一段时间，阿里云如果追求盈利，可能会面对失去更多市场的风险。互联网躺平，政务是云端的下次战争？增长永远是商业的首要目标。眼看这几年云业务的增速下滑，市场份额被蚕食，阿里难免着急了。2020年9月，阿里发布“云钉一体”战略，钉钉与阿里云进行融合，高层进行了一次大的人员调整。这件事对于阿里云最直接的好处就是，拓展了客户的入口。有分析认为，正是通过钉钉，阿里云在成立十多年后，才在2020年第四季度首次实现盈利。但自家的粥总有吃完的一天，阿里云要实现持续的增长还是要向外拓展。财报显示，截至去年末，互联网客户依然是阿里云收入的主要来源，占比达到了48%。但一个不争的事实是，过去几年互联网的增长已经到了一个“躺平”的阶段，妄想在这里找到新增量已经不现实。阿里云深处行业中心，自然明白其中的道理。2021年4月，时任阿里巴巴集团副总裁、阿里云中国区总裁任庚对阿里云组织架构进行的一次大的调整，即在原有的数字政府、金融、新零售外，新增了传媒运营商、电力、互联网、交通、汽车等18个行业部门，并提出“三年1000亿元”的KPI。遗憾的是，这次意图通过散点打击抢占云计算市场份额的策略没有奏效。近日，媒体报道任庚离职，而华为前EBG（企业事业群）中国区总裁蔡英华空降阿里集团任资深副总裁、阿里云全球销售总裁。华为云是阿里云一个无法忽视的对手。自2017年成立以来，华为云以67%的增速增长，2021年的市场份额达到了18%，已经超过了腾讯云成为中国第二朵“云”。众所周知，华为云最擅长的就是政企客户，这次阿里云招来的蔡英华，曾任华为中国政企业务总裁，对政企业务十分熟悉，这对华为拓展政企客户大有裨益。此外，据中商产业研究院数据，政务是除互联网之外，中国云计算最大的市场。不出意外，接下来政务客户就是阿里云要重点发力的领域。（图源：中商产业研究院）不过阿里云有了蔡英华的助力能不能做大政务这块，还需要仔细考虑。现在在政务市场，国内做的最大的两家一个是华为云、一个是天翼云。据IDC数据，2020年这两家的市场份额分别是32.2%、25.3%。除开技术因素不谈，这两家相比阿里云的优势是，一家是国内私营企业，一家是国企。安全是政企客户首先要考虑的，况且阿里云在安全问题的处理上总会出一些岔子。最典型的就是去年12月，被全球广泛使用的一个开源组件被爆可能出现了“计算机历史上最大的漏洞”，阿里云用了这个组件，但阿里云早在11月就向组件官方上报了问题，奇怪的是，阿里云作为工信部合作单位，并没有向电信主管部门上报，最后被处罚、整改。无可否认，阿里云作为国内第一家进入云计算的企业，在中国云计算领域做出了不俗的贡献，从而成为国内第一、全球第三的云计算服务公司。但在前期以互联网为主的收入构成遇见当下互联网行业增长见顶的情况下，这几年阿里云的增长也陷入困境，寻找新业务成为必选项，组织架构的调整就是寻求新增长的表现。但正如阿里在政务板块表现出来的问题一样，阿里云要在其它行业板块寻找新增量，还需要因地制宜的在方法上进行改变。","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":300,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":816238019,"gmtCreate":1630503201131,"gmtModify":1676530321921,"author":{"id":"3569040619026284","authorId":"3569040619026284","name":"DIVS","avatar":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/97873f2b8f142f12b183df4afefd2532","crmLevel":2,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"3569040619026284","authorIdStr":"3569040619026284"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"?????","listText":"?????","text":"?????","images":[{"img":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/e53667ccab319b6b31d2a41f45fbeafb","width":"1125","height":"3178"}],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/816238019","isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":254,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":1,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":831281102,"gmtCreate":1629330167306,"gmtModify":1676530002737,"author":{"id":"3569040619026284","authorId":"3569040619026284","name":"DIVS","avatar":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/97873f2b8f142f12b183df4afefd2532","crmLevel":2,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"3569040619026284","authorIdStr":"3569040619026284"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"Nice 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