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09-14

are you sure? do you really have a crystal ball to predict future? I think you don't. it does not dip because it run from 25 to 33.

@Sushil:$Direxion Daily Semiconductors Bull 3x Shares(SOXL)$ it is now due for a downwards adjustment next week. Book profits and wait to buy the dip again.

Wildhorseusa

09-13

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CrowdStrike's CEO says there was 'misinformation' by competitors on the outage update; meeting with Microsoft on 'resiliency'

Wildhorseusa

09-03

$三倍做多半导体ETF-Direxion Daily(SOXL)$

Wildhorseusa

07-24

Great article, would you like to share it?

Tesla Says Timeline Unclear on Robotaxi -- WSJ

Wildhorseusa

07-03

Where do we find this information ourselves?

Cathie Wood's ETFs Sell Tesla's Stock for the First Time in 9 Months

Wildhorseusa

05-29

$Crown Electrokinetics Corp.(CRKN)$ is this going to be delisted?

Wildhorseusa

05-22

you got your wish today. 186

@HiTALK:$Tesla Motors(TSLA)$ be careful blindly following anyone- whether bullish or bearish- instead, act based on financials, charts and indicators etc. for now, Tesla has been hurting but from the 1 month chart, there’s a pretty clear Bull Flag which should help Tesla retest $185 in the coming days.

Wildhorseusa

2023-04-05

Don't believe a single word in this bs. No good reasoning, just rubbish.

Tesla Obviously Had A Disappointing Quarter, Expect More Pain

Wildhorseusa

2023-02-23

Don't agree at all. Just look at how many people want to buy a tesla.

Tesla: Automaker Or Tech Company? My Take And My Investing Choice

Wildhorseusa

2022-09-10

$Tesla Motors(TSLA)$

Wildhorseusa

2022-07-22

Great article! I would like to share it.

Tesla: The Last Bubble Standing

Wildhorseusa

2022-07-12

Great article! I would like to share it.

Tesla: The Last Bubble Standing

Wildhorseusa

2022-07-12

If you are fore sure it's going to pop, then you can just short this stock to make money. You don't need to waste your time to write this.

Tesla: The Last Bubble Standing

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Kurtz said that the strategy to be transparent paid off based on the customer response and how they viewed what the company tried to do. \"I think after that, I got a lot of calls from a lot of different folks around the industry and Andy Jassy [Amazon's CEO] called, and Marc Benioff [CEO of Salesforce] and Bill McDermott [ServiceNow's CEO], I mean the list goes on and on and a lot of it was how can we help?\" Kurtz commented. Speaking on the confusion around the timing of the root cause analysis and specifically the outage update, Kurtz said \"there is a nuance to it and there's a lot of misinformation, a lot of it by competitors. But it was a configuration update.\" Microsoft (MSFT) meeting: Kurtz also shared snippets of a meeting he had with Microsoft (MSFT) on Tuesday. Kurtz said Microsoft is an open ecosystem provider and CrowdStrike is one player in the security market, adding the meeting was about how would the security market come together to think about other ways to extend that ecosystem and build more resiliency. \"But really, the conversation was, how do you extend the architectures to provide additional resiliency, things that the security vendors can take advantage of and others that make it more resilient?\" said Kurtz. Kurtz also pointed out that following the incident, he had spent a lot of time talking with Microsoft's CEO Satya Nadella, once or twice a day for the first week, and they were very helpful. Outlook: Discussing the milestones that the company would be looking at to determine that the worst is being behind it, Kurtz stated, \"I think a lot of it's going to be on the net new ARR, which is obviously a big driver of what we do. So, you're going to see headwinds around that in the short term. And then as you roll around -- roll across the comps in Q3, and the Falcon Flex pool of dollars that we create, as that starts to burn off, there's going to be a natural conversation of how do we extend those modules?\" AI: Kurtz said the company's Charlotte AI chatbot was built as a foundational service within the Falcon platform. However, he noted that \"in security, you really have to have a deterministic outcome, which we built a lot of guardrails around that.\" Kurtz added that the company was doing \"some really interesting things around threat detection and using AI around threat detection, specifically in social engineering attacks. So, listening to voices and the ability to actually understand is somebody getting socially engineered and then being able to call that out.\" Kurtz noted that these are proof-of-concept technologies CrowdStrike has been working on. But, added that the company has been working closely with Nvidia (NVDA) and using their technology and the go-to-market partnerships that they have. Speaking on AI investments by the company's customers, Kurtz noted that he doesn't think they're pushing out core security investments.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":3,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":345472478064896,"gmtCreate":1725372570481,"gmtModify":1725372572856,"author":{"id":"4093697688955580","authorId":"4093697688955580","authorIdStr":"4093697688955580","name":"Wildhorseusa","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"4093697688955580"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"<a href=\"https://ttm.financial/S/SOXL\">$三倍做多半导体ETF-Direxion Daily(SOXL)$&nbsp;</a>&nbsp;","listText":"<a href=\"https://ttm.financial/S/SOXL\">$三倍做多半导体ETF-Direxion Daily(SOXL)$&nbsp;</a>&nbsp;","text":"$三倍做多半导体ETF-Direxion Daily(SOXL)$","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/345472478064896","isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":138,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":330808715317408,"gmtCreate":1721769497871,"gmtModify":1721769501255,"author":{"id":"4093697688955580","authorId":"4093697688955580","authorIdStr":"4093697688955580","name":"Wildhorseusa","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"4093697688955580"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"Great article, would you like to share it?","listText":"Great article, would you like to share it?","text":"Great article, would you like to share it?","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/330808715317408","repostId":"2453530098","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"2453530098","weMediaInfo":{"introduction":"Dow Jones publishes the world’s most trusted business news and financial information in a variety of media.","home_visible":0,"media_name":"Dow Jones","id":"106","head_image":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/150f88aa4d182df19190059f4a365e99"},"pubTimestamp":1721767260,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/2453530098?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2024-07-24 04:41","market":"sg","language":"en","title":"Tesla Says Timeline Unclear on Robotaxi -- WSJ","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2453530098","media":"Dow Jones","summary":"Tesla says it's unclear when it will be able to roll out its self-driving taxis.The company said with its second-quarter results that deployment of the Robotaxi, a self-driving electric model expected to have no steering wheel or pedals, depends on technological advancements and getting the nod from regulators.The company is \"working vigorously\" on the program because of its \"outsized potential value,\" Tesla said.Tesla is set to unveil the Robotaxi in October after years of talking up the program. Chief Executive Elon Musk has compared the plans for a dedicated ride-hailing network to Airbnb, with Tesla owners deploying their own vehicles for use by others.Shares of Tesla slid more than 2% in extended-hours trading after the EV maker reported per-share earnings for the second quarter that fell short of analysts estimates.This item is part of a Wall Street Journal live coverage event. The full stream can be found by searching P/WSJL .","content":"<font class=\"NormalMinus1\" face=\"Arial\">\n<p>\n     By Ben Glickman \n</p>\n<p>\n     Tesla says it's unclear when it will be able to roll out its self-driving taxis. \n</p>\n<p>\n     The company said with its second-quarter results that deployment of the Robotaxi, a self-driving electric model expected to have no steering wheel or pedals, depends on technological advancements and getting the nod from regulators. \n</p>\n<p>\n     The company is \"working vigorously\" on the program because of its \"outsized potential value,\" Tesla said. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Tesla is set to unveil the Robotaxi in October after years of talking up the program. Chief Executive Elon Musk has compared the plans for a dedicated ride-hailing network to Airbnb, with Tesla owners deploying their own vehicles for use by others. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Shares of Tesla slid more than 2% in extended-hours trading after the EV maker reported per-share earnings for the second quarter that fell short of analysts estimates. \n</p>\n<p>\n     This item is part of a Wall Street Journal live coverage event. The full stream can be found by searching P/WSJL (WSJ Live Coverage). \n</p>\n<p>\n  (END) Dow Jones Newswires\n</p>\n<p>\n  July 23, 2024 16:41 ET (20:41 GMT)\n</p>\n<p>\n  Copyright (c) 2024 Dow Jones &amp; Company, Inc.\n</p>\n</font>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Tesla Says Timeline Unclear on Robotaxi -- WSJ</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nTesla Says Timeline Unclear on Robotaxi -- WSJ\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n<div class=\"head\" \">\n\n\n<div class=\"h-thumb\" style=\"background-image:url(https://static.tigerbbs.com/150f88aa4d182df19190059f4a365e99);background-size:cover;\"></div>\n\n<div class=\"h-content\">\n<p class=\"h-name\">Dow Jones </p>\n<p class=\"h-time\">2024-07-24 04:41</p>\n</div>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<font class=\"NormalMinus1\" face=\"Arial\">\n<p>\n     By Ben Glickman \n</p>\n<p>\n     Tesla says it's unclear when it will be able to roll out its self-driving taxis. \n</p>\n<p>\n     The company said with its second-quarter results that deployment of the Robotaxi, a self-driving electric model expected to have no steering wheel or pedals, depends on technological advancements and getting the nod from regulators. \n</p>\n<p>\n     The company is \"working vigorously\" on the program because of its \"outsized potential value,\" Tesla said. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Tesla is set to unveil the Robotaxi in October after years of talking up the program. Chief Executive Elon Musk has compared the plans for a dedicated ride-hailing network to Airbnb, with Tesla owners deploying their own vehicles for use by others. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Shares of Tesla slid more than 2% in extended-hours trading after the EV maker reported per-share earnings for the second quarter that fell short of analysts estimates. \n</p>\n<p>\n     This item is part of a Wall Street Journal live coverage event. 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As Tesla Inc.'s stock is back on the upswing, high-profile investor Cathie Wood's ETFs are selling again.Wood's flagship Ark Innovation ETF ARKK sold 56,425 Tesla shares  on Tuesday, valued at $13.05 million at Tuesday's closing price.The sale by no means suggests a change in strategy, as Tesla remains the ETF's largest holding by far with a 14.6% weighting, valued at $891.89 million as of Wednesday morning. But it did mark the ETF's first sale since Oct. 18.The sale comes after Tesla's stock closed Tuesday at a six-month high after strong second-quarter deliveries data.The ETF is essentially continuing its pattern of trimming its stake as the stock rallies, after loading up on the dip.Tesla's stock rose 2.2% in premarket trading Wednesday, putting it on track for a seventh straight gain. That would be its longest winning streak since the 13-day streak that ended June 13, 2023","content":"<html><head></head><body><p>As Tesla Inc.&#39;s stock is back on the upswing, high-profile investor Cathie Wood&#39;s ETFs are selling again.</p><p>Wood&#39;s flagship Ark Innovation ETF ARKK sold 56,425 Tesla shares <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/TSLA\">$(TSLA)$</a> on Tuesday, valued at $13.05 million at Tuesday&#39;s closing price.</p><p>The sale by no means suggests a change in strategy, as Tesla remains the ETF&#39;s largest holding by far with a 14.6% weighting, valued at $891.89 million as of Wednesday morning. But it did mark the ETF&#39;s first sale since Oct. 18.</p><p>The sale comes after Tesla&#39;s stock closed Tuesday at a six-month high after strong second-quarter deliveries data.</p><p>The ETF is essentially continuing its pattern of trimming its stake as the stock rallies, after loading up on the dip.</p><p>Tesla&#39;s stock rose 2.2% in premarket trading Wednesday, putting it on track for a seventh straight gain. That would be its longest winning streak since the 13-day streak that ended June 13, 2023.</p><p>Through Tuesday, the stock had run up 16.9% in two days, soared 26.7% during its six-day win streak and rocketed 62.8% since April 22, when it closed at a 15-month low of $142.05.</p><p>Coincidentally, ARKK&#39;s last purchase of Tesla shares was on April 23.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/5e7bfba9483d72fb0849fb30383676df\" tg-width=\"700\" tg-height=\"489\"/></p><p>Ark had started buying Tesla stock on Dec. 20, after it had tumbled nearly 16% since its 2023 closing peak of $293.34 on July 18.</p><p>The ETF bought a total of 2,069,794 Tesla shares from then to April 23. In addition, the Ark Net Generation Internet ETF ARKW had bought 444,508 shares and the Ark Autonomous Technology &amp; Robotics ETF ARKQ had purchased 89,139 shares during that time.</p><p>On Tuesday, the Ark Net Generation ETF sold 6,442 shares of Tesla. The EV giant still has a weighting of 10.3% in the ETF, valued at $152.54 million.</p><p>Despite the recent surge, Tesla&#39;s stock has still lost 6.9% year to date through Tuesday, while the ARKK has dropped 14.4% and the S&amp;P 500 index SPX has rallied 15.5%.</p></body></html>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Cathie Wood's ETFs Sell Tesla's Stock for the First Time in 9 Months</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nCathie Wood's ETFs Sell Tesla's Stock for the First Time in 9 Months\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n<div class=\"head\" \">\n\n\n<div class=\"h-thumb\" style=\"background-image:url(https://static.tigerbbs.com/150f88aa4d182df19190059f4a365e99);background-size:cover;\"></div>\n\n<div class=\"h-content\">\n<p class=\"h-name\">Dow Jones </p>\n<p class=\"h-time\">2024-07-03 20:11</p>\n</div>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<html><head></head><body><p>As Tesla Inc.&#39;s stock is back on the upswing, high-profile investor Cathie Wood&#39;s ETFs are selling again.</p><p>Wood&#39;s flagship Ark Innovation ETF ARKK sold 56,425 Tesla shares <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/TSLA\">$(TSLA)$</a> on Tuesday, valued at $13.05 million at Tuesday&#39;s closing price.</p><p>The sale by no means suggests a change in strategy, as Tesla remains the ETF&#39;s largest holding by far with a 14.6% weighting, valued at $891.89 million as of Wednesday morning. But it did mark the ETF&#39;s first sale since Oct. 18.</p><p>The sale comes after Tesla&#39;s stock closed Tuesday at a six-month high after strong second-quarter deliveries data.</p><p>The ETF is essentially continuing its pattern of trimming its stake as the stock rallies, after loading up on the dip.</p><p>Tesla&#39;s stock rose 2.2% in premarket trading Wednesday, putting it on track for a seventh straight gain. That would be its longest winning streak since the 13-day streak that ended June 13, 2023.</p><p>Through Tuesday, the stock had run up 16.9% in two days, soared 26.7% during its six-day win streak and rocketed 62.8% since April 22, when it closed at a 15-month low of $142.05.</p><p>Coincidentally, ARKK&#39;s last purchase of Tesla shares was on April 23.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/5e7bfba9483d72fb0849fb30383676df\" tg-width=\"700\" tg-height=\"489\"/></p><p>Ark had started buying Tesla stock on Dec. 20, after it had tumbled nearly 16% since its 2023 closing peak of $293.34 on July 18.</p><p>The ETF bought a total of 2,069,794 Tesla shares from then to April 23. In addition, the Ark Net Generation Internet ETF ARKW had bought 444,508 shares and the Ark Autonomous Technology &amp; Robotics ETF ARKQ had purchased 89,139 shares during that time.</p><p>On Tuesday, the Ark Net Generation ETF sold 6,442 shares of Tesla. The EV giant still has a weighting of 10.3% in the ETF, valued at $152.54 million.</p><p>Despite the recent surge, Tesla&#39;s stock has still lost 6.9% year to date through Tuesday, while the ARKK has dropped 14.4% and the S&amp;P 500 index SPX has rallied 15.5%.</p></body></html>\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"LU1551013342.USD":"Allianz Income and Growth Cl AMg2 DIS USD","ARKK":"ARK Innovation ETF","BK4592":"伊斯兰概念","LU0719512351.SGD":"JPMorgan Funds - US Technology A (acc) SGD","LU0056508442.USD":"贝莱德世界科技基金A2","IE00B1XK9C88.USD":"PINEBRIDGE US LARGE CAP RESEARCH ENHANCED \"A\" (USD) ACC","ARKQ":"ARK Autonomous Technology & Robotics ETF","BK4585":"ETF&股票定投概念","ARKW":"ARK Next Generation Internation ETF","LU1914381329.SGD":"Allianz Best Styles Global Equity Cl ET Acc H2-SGD","LU2249611893.SGD":"BNP PARIBAS ENERGY TRANSITION \"CRH\" (SGD) ACC","BK4555":"新能源车","LU0820561909.HKD":"ALLIANZ INCOME AND GROWTH \"AM\" (HKD) INC","TSLL":"Direxion Daily TSLA Bull 2X Shares","LU0820562030.AUD":"ALLIANZ INCOME AND GROWTH \"AMH2\" (AUDHDG) H2 INC","LU2063271972.USD":"富兰克林创新领域基金","LU2756315664.SGD":"ALLIANZ INCOME AND GROWTH \"AMI\" (SGDHDG) INC","SG9999015945.SGD":"LionGlobal Disruptive Innovation Fund A SGD","SG9999015986.USD":"LIONGLOBAL DISRUPTIVE INNOVATION \"I\" (USD) ACC","BK4527":"明星科技股","LU0466842654.USD":"HSBC ISLAMIC GLOBAL EQUITY INDEX \"A\" (USD) ACC","LU0097036916.USD":"贝莱德美国增长A2 USD","LU0689472784.USD":"安联收益及增长基金Cl AM AT Acc","SG9999015978.USD":"利安颠覆性创新基金A","BK4550":"红杉资本持仓","BK4588":"碎股","LU2087621335.USD":"ALLSPRING GLOBAL FACTOR ENHANCED EQUITY \"A\" (USD) ACC","LU2326559502.SGD":"Natixis Loomis Sayles US Growth Equity P/A SGD-H","LU1720051017.SGD":"Allianz Global Artificial Intelligence AT Acc H2-SGD","FDN":"First Trust Dow Jones Internet I","LU0198837287.USD":"UBS (LUX) EQUITY SICAV - USA GROWTH \"P\" (USD) ACC","BK4551":"寇图资本持仓","BK4574":"无人驾驶","LU1861215975.USD":"贝莱德新一代科技基金 A2","LU1548497426.USD":"安联环球人工智能AT Acc","LU1861558580.USD":"日兴方舟颠覆性创新基金B","LU1861220033.SGD":"Blackrock Next Generation Technology A2 SGD-H","LU0820561818.USD":"安联收益及增长平衡基金Cl AM DIS","LU2602419157.SGD":"HSBC ISLAMIC GLOBAL EQUITY INDEX \"AC\" (SGD) ACC","BK4581":"高盛持仓","LU1551013425.SGD":"Allianz Income and Growth Cl AMg2 DIS H2-SGD","LU1861559042.SGD":"日兴方舟颠覆性创新基金B SGD","BK4099":"汽车制造商","LU2756315318.SGD":"ALLIANZ INCOME AND GROWTH \"AMG\" (SGDHDG) INC A","BK4511":"特斯拉概念","TSLA":"特斯拉","LU1720051108.HKD":"ALLIANZ GLOBAL ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE \"AT\" (HKD) ACC","LU0943347566.SGD":"安联收益及增长平衡基金AM H2-SGD","LU2357305700.SGD":"Allianz Global Artificial Intelligence ET H2-SGD","LU1839511570.USD":"WELLS FARGO GLOBAL FACTOR ENHANCED EQUITY \"I\" (USD) ACC"},"source_url":"https://dowjonesnews.com/newdjn/logon.aspx?AL=N","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"2448511101","content_text":"As Tesla Inc.'s stock is back on the upswing, high-profile investor Cathie Wood's ETFs are selling again.Wood's flagship Ark Innovation ETF ARKK sold 56,425 Tesla shares $(TSLA)$ on Tuesday, valued at $13.05 million at Tuesday's closing price.The sale by no means suggests a change in strategy, as Tesla remains the ETF's largest holding by far with a 14.6% weighting, valued at $891.89 million as of Wednesday morning. But it did mark the ETF's first sale since Oct. 18.The sale comes after Tesla's stock closed Tuesday at a six-month high after strong second-quarter deliveries data.The ETF is essentially continuing its pattern of trimming its stake as the stock rallies, after loading up on the dip.Tesla's stock rose 2.2% in premarket trading Wednesday, putting it on track for a seventh straight gain. That would be its longest winning streak since the 13-day streak that ended June 13, 2023.Through Tuesday, the stock had run up 16.9% in two days, soared 26.7% during its six-day win streak and rocketed 62.8% since April 22, when it closed at a 15-month low of $142.05.Coincidentally, ARKK's last purchase of Tesla shares was on April 23.Ark had started buying Tesla stock on Dec. 20, after it had tumbled nearly 16% since its 2023 closing peak of $293.34 on July 18.The ETF bought a total of 2,069,794 Tesla shares from then to April 23. In addition, the Ark Net Generation Internet ETF ARKW had bought 444,508 shares and the Ark Autonomous Technology & Robotics ETF ARKQ had purchased 89,139 shares during that time.On Tuesday, the Ark Net Generation ETF sold 6,442 shares of Tesla. The EV giant still has a weighting of 10.3% in the ETF, valued at $152.54 million.Despite the recent surge, Tesla's stock has still lost 6.9% year to date through Tuesday, while the ARKK has dropped 14.4% and the S&P 500 index SPX has rallied 15.5%.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":110,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":310961269612720,"gmtCreate":1716923934994,"gmtModify":1716923938852,"author":{"id":"4093697688955580","authorId":"4093697688955580","authorIdStr":"4093697688955580","name":"Wildhorseusa","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"4093697688955580"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"<a href=\"https://ttm.financial/S/CRKN\">$Crown Electrokinetics Corp.(CRKN)$ </a> is this going to be delisted?","listText":"<a href=\"https://ttm.financial/S/CRKN\">$Crown Electrokinetics Corp.(CRKN)$ </a> is this going to be delisted?","text":"$Crown Electrokinetics Corp.(CRKN)$ is this going to be delisted?","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":4,"commentSize":4,"repostSize":9,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/310961269612720","isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":1192,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[{"author":{"id":"4179277249732082","authorId":"4179277249732082","authorIdStr":"4179277249732082","name":"seb240sx","avatar":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"idStr":"4179277249732082"},"content":"no , may be reverse split if necessary but no delisting for sure","text":"no , may be reverse split if necessary but no delisting for sure","html":"no , may be reverse split if necessary but no delisting for sure"}],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":308431119683880,"gmtCreate":1716322504744,"gmtModify":1716322508721,"author":{"id":"4093697688955580","authorId":"4093697688955580","authorIdStr":"4093697688955580","name":"Wildhorseusa","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"4093697688955580"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"you got your wish today. 186","listText":"you got your wish today. 186","text":"you got your wish today. 186","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/308431119683880","repostId":"308385865011280","repostType":1,"repost":{"id":308385865011280,"gmtCreate":1716307785662,"gmtModify":1716307794102,"author":{"id":"3479274776688173","authorId":"3479274776688173","authorIdStr":"3479274776688173","name":"HiTALK","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/8c0eb7ae4762306c23ef3a30fb831746","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"3479274776688173"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"<a href=\"https://ttm.financial/S/TSLA\">$Tesla Motors(TSLA)$</a> <v-v data-views=\"1\"></v-v>be careful blindly following anyone- whether bullish or bearish- instead, act based on financials, charts and indicators etc. for now, Tesla has been hurting but from the 1 month chart, there’s a pretty clear Bull Flag which should help Tesla retest $185 in the coming days.","listText":"<a href=\"https://ttm.financial/S/TSLA\">$Tesla Motors(TSLA)$</a> <v-v data-views=\"1\"></v-v>be careful blindly following anyone- whether bullish or bearish- instead, act based on financials, charts and indicators etc. for now, Tesla has been hurting but from the 1 month chart, there’s a pretty clear Bull Flag which should help Tesla retest $185 in the coming days.","text":"$Tesla Motors(TSLA)$ be careful blindly following anyone- whether bullish or bearish- instead, act based on financials, charts and indicators etc. for now, Tesla has been hurting but from the 1 month chart, there’s a pretty clear Bull Flag which should help Tesla retest $185 in the coming days.","images":[{"img":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/01e8cb54c0494a5bab573057b827afbe","width":"500","height":"286"}],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/308385865011280","isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":0,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":1,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":174,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":9948345608,"gmtCreate":1680632701404,"gmtModify":1680632852437,"author":{"id":"4093697688955580","authorId":"4093697688955580","authorIdStr":"4093697688955580","name":"Wildhorseusa","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"4093697688955580"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"Don't believe a single word in this bs. No&nbsp; good reasoning, just rubbish.","listText":"Don't believe a single word in this bs. No&nbsp; good reasoning, just rubbish.","text":"Don't believe a single word in this bs. No good reasoning, just rubbish.","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":3,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/9948345608","repostId":"1143129882","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"1143129882","pubTimestamp":1680618277,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/1143129882?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2023-04-04 22:24","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Tesla Obviously Had A Disappointing Quarter, Expect More Pain","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1143129882","media":"Seeking Alpha","summary":"SummaryTesla grew production and sales, but it appears that the company needs to maintain price cuts","content":"<html><head></head><body><h2 style=\"text-align: left;\">Summary</h2><ul><li><p>Tesla grew production and sales, but it appears that the company needs to maintain price cuts to grow.</p></li><li><p>The company is rapidly seeing increased competition from both new companies at the top end and existing car companies ramping up production.</p></li><li><p>We see 2023 as a transition year, as other companies ramp up their production. That should cause Tesla&#39;s margins to decline, hurting the company&#39;s profits.</p></li><li><p>Regardless of the company&#39;s margins, it&#39;s already severely overvalued in a variety of margins, making it a poor investment.</p></li></ul><p>Tesla, Inc. (NASDAQ: TSLA) stock dropped more than 6% Monday after the company&#39;s recent press release once again raised concerns that additional price cuts are in the future. That&#39;s despite the company&#39;s strong 25.9% gross margins, which investors point to as evidence of the company&#39;s financial strength and unique pricing power.</p><h2 style=\"text-align: left;\">Tesla&#39;s Q1 2023 Deliveries</h2><p style=\"text-align: left;\">Tesla achieved strong deliveries in the first quarter. However, the company produced more than it delivered.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\"></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/f89508063ee9dc35033f4fd24a35b9a6\" alt=\"Tesla Press Release\" title=\"Tesla Press Release\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"248\"/><span>Tesla Press Release</span></p><p style=\"text-align: left;\"><strong>Tesla Press Release</strong></p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">The company produced just under 441 thousand vehicles in the first quarter and managed to deliver about 95% of them. QoQ Model S/X, the company&#39;s high-end vehicle, saw production only drop 5%, but deliveries crumpled by almost 40%. That shows a lack of demand for the company&#39;s top-end vehicles, especially with price cuts.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">We expect Model S/X deliveries and demand to remain muted as high-margin competition arrives first through new companies such as Rivian (RIVN), Polestar (PSNY), and Lucid (LCID) along with established companies like BMW (OTCPK: BMWYY) and Mercedes (OTCPK: MBGAF). That lines up with our expectation that Tesla would see competition first at the top end of its portfolio, the same place that Tesla was able to start.</p><h2 style=\"text-align: left;\">Tesla&#39;s Pricing Cuts</h2><p style=\"text-align: left;\">The top story for Tesla has been the company&#39;s continued price cuts on its vehicles.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\"></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/9cf899accf0819a015e8201c816249ca\" alt=\"USA Today\" title=\"USA Today\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"209\"/><span>USA Today</span></p><p style=\"text-align: left;\"><strong>USA Today</strong></p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">Tesla cut the prices of its vehicles by as much as 20% in January, and in March it cut the prices of its Model S and X between 4-9%. The company has record margins, but the more it needs to cut prices, the more that it cuts into those margins. Unfortunately for Tesla, even if it&#39;s better than the competition, new competition lowers margins.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">That can be seen in classic carmakers. Toyota (TM) and Honda (HMC) are widely considered to have the best reliability, and yet they don&#39;t dominate the entire market. There&#39;s other competition and pricing pressure. That&#39;s worth paying close attention to as an investor.</p><h2 style=\"text-align: left;\">Tesla&#39;s Rising Competition</h2><p style=\"text-align: left;\">Tesla is facing rising competition from its market share even as vehicle production goes up.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\"></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/1cba9cabe9bbaa012d768e578318aea6\" alt=\"Inside EVs\" title=\"Inside EVs\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"235\"/><span>Inside EVs</span></p><p style=\"text-align: left;\"><strong>Inside EVs</strong></p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">Tesla&#39;s registrations went up 34% YoY as the U.S. market faced more competition versus last year. Significant U.S. competition also caused the market to grow slower than the global markets. The company now has a 57% market share, with its second-largest competitor Chevrolet (GM) having an 8.5% share and Ford having a 7.7% share.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">We expect the company&#39;s competition to continue increasing its share. Rivian, for example, increased its market share by almost 300% YoY. It&#39;s also worth noting that Tesla likely saw an uptick in demand from its price increases, an uptick in demand that we don&#39;t expect to continue.</p><h2 style=\"text-align: left;\">2023 - A Tesla Transition Year</h2><p style=\"text-align: left;\">2023 is a transition year for Tesla. The company&#39;s competitors have come up with their models, and they&#39;re working to rapidly ramp up production.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">Rivian expects to produce 50 thousand vehicles in 2023, double 2022. Ford (F) plans to exit 2023 at more than 360 thousand vehicles/year in production, up from just under 62 thousand in 2022. Lucid is aiming to produce 12 thousand vehicles in 2023. Polestar is aiming to hit 80 thousand vehicles in 2023, up from 50 thousand in 2022.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">BMW is looking to triple its EV production in 2023 to almost 50 thousand vehicles. Each of these vehicles, especially on the upper end, will push down Tesla&#39;s margins substantially. That could hurt its ability to justify its valuations. Assuming its margins drop, that could crater its share price, by showing the market how overvalued the company is.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">At the same time, Tesla&#39;s other businesses aren&#39;t anywhere exciting yet. The company&#39;s solar business has a negligible market share, and it&#39;s to-date nowhere near releasing full self-driving. The company&#39;s most exciting business is the megapack, but it needs those battery packs for its own vehicles and its margins on the megapack are lower.</p><h2 style=\"text-align: left;\">Our View</h2><p style=\"text-align: left;\">Tesla is overvalued.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">In 2022, the company had $81 billion in revenue, $20 billion in gross profit, and $12.5 billion in net income. The company has a market capitalization of more than $600 billion. That&#39;s a P/E of 50 on net income, or 30 on gross profits. The company did manage to grow profits 50% YoY but as we discussed above we expect margins to drop.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">That could hurt the company&#39;s ability to justify its valuation substantially and cause its share price to decline.</p><h2 style=\"text-align: left;\">Thesis Risk</h2><p style=\"text-align: left;\">The largest risk to our thesis is Tesla&#39;s value as an independent brand. Assuming the company remains popular, and demand remains high, higher margins could result in higher profits. Even in that case, we don&#39;t see the company managing to justify its valuation. However, it&#39;s worth paying close attention to.</p><h2 style=\"text-align: left;\">Conclusion</h2><p style=\"text-align: left;\">Tesla, Inc. is dramatically overvalued. The company is trading at 8x sales and 50x net income. The company is supported by its strong margins, but new competition is rapidly ramping up its production, with most companies expecting to double to triple production in 2023. At a minimum, that will put strong pressure on margins.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">We expect that pressure on margins to cause Tesla, Inc.&#39;s profits to drop substantially. That&#39;s even when counting the company&#39;s 50% annualized anticipated production growth. We expect the company&#39;s market share to continue to decline. As a result, we recommend against investing in Tesla, Inc. stock for the long run.</p></body></html>","source":"seekingalpha","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Tesla Obviously Had A Disappointing Quarter, Expect More Pain</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nTesla Obviously Had A Disappointing Quarter, Expect More Pain\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2023-04-04 22:24 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://seekingalpha.com/article/4592157-tesla-obviously-had-disappointing-quarter-expect-more-pain><strong>Seeking Alpha</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>SummaryTesla grew production and sales, but it appears that the company needs to maintain price cuts to grow.The company is rapidly seeing increased competition from both new companies at the top end ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4592157-tesla-obviously-had-disappointing-quarter-expect-more-pain\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"TSLA":"特斯拉"},"source_url":"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4592157-tesla-obviously-had-disappointing-quarter-expect-more-pain","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/5a36db9d73b4222bc376d24ccc48c8a4","article_id":"1143129882","content_text":"SummaryTesla grew production and sales, but it appears that the company needs to maintain price cuts to grow.The company is rapidly seeing increased competition from both new companies at the top end and existing car companies ramping up production.We see 2023 as a transition year, as other companies ramp up their production. That should cause Tesla's margins to decline, hurting the company's profits.Regardless of the company's margins, it's already severely overvalued in a variety of margins, making it a poor investment.Tesla, Inc. (NASDAQ: TSLA) stock dropped more than 6% Monday after the company's recent press release once again raised concerns that additional price cuts are in the future. That's despite the company's strong 25.9% gross margins, which investors point to as evidence of the company's financial strength and unique pricing power.Tesla's Q1 2023 DeliveriesTesla achieved strong deliveries in the first quarter. However, the company produced more than it delivered.Tesla Press ReleaseTesla Press ReleaseThe company produced just under 441 thousand vehicles in the first quarter and managed to deliver about 95% of them. QoQ Model S/X, the company's high-end vehicle, saw production only drop 5%, but deliveries crumpled by almost 40%. That shows a lack of demand for the company's top-end vehicles, especially with price cuts.We expect Model S/X deliveries and demand to remain muted as high-margin competition arrives first through new companies such as Rivian (RIVN), Polestar (PSNY), and Lucid (LCID) along with established companies like BMW (OTCPK: BMWYY) and Mercedes (OTCPK: MBGAF). That lines up with our expectation that Tesla would see competition first at the top end of its portfolio, the same place that Tesla was able to start.Tesla's Pricing CutsThe top story for Tesla has been the company's continued price cuts on its vehicles.USA TodayUSA TodayTesla cut the prices of its vehicles by as much as 20% in January, and in March it cut the prices of its Model S and X between 4-9%. The company has record margins, but the more it needs to cut prices, the more that it cuts into those margins. Unfortunately for Tesla, even if it's better than the competition, new competition lowers margins.That can be seen in classic carmakers. Toyota (TM) and Honda (HMC) are widely considered to have the best reliability, and yet they don't dominate the entire market. There's other competition and pricing pressure. That's worth paying close attention to as an investor.Tesla's Rising CompetitionTesla is facing rising competition from its market share even as vehicle production goes up.Inside EVsInside EVsTesla's registrations went up 34% YoY as the U.S. market faced more competition versus last year. Significant U.S. competition also caused the market to grow slower than the global markets. The company now has a 57% market share, with its second-largest competitor Chevrolet (GM) having an 8.5% share and Ford having a 7.7% share.We expect the company's competition to continue increasing its share. Rivian, for example, increased its market share by almost 300% YoY. It's also worth noting that Tesla likely saw an uptick in demand from its price increases, an uptick in demand that we don't expect to continue.2023 - A Tesla Transition Year2023 is a transition year for Tesla. The company's competitors have come up with their models, and they're working to rapidly ramp up production.Rivian expects to produce 50 thousand vehicles in 2023, double 2022. Ford (F) plans to exit 2023 at more than 360 thousand vehicles/year in production, up from just under 62 thousand in 2022. Lucid is aiming to produce 12 thousand vehicles in 2023. Polestar is aiming to hit 80 thousand vehicles in 2023, up from 50 thousand in 2022.BMW is looking to triple its EV production in 2023 to almost 50 thousand vehicles. Each of these vehicles, especially on the upper end, will push down Tesla's margins substantially. That could hurt its ability to justify its valuations. Assuming its margins drop, that could crater its share price, by showing the market how overvalued the company is.At the same time, Tesla's other businesses aren't anywhere exciting yet. The company's solar business has a negligible market share, and it's to-date nowhere near releasing full self-driving. The company's most exciting business is the megapack, but it needs those battery packs for its own vehicles and its margins on the megapack are lower.Our ViewTesla is overvalued.In 2022, the company had $81 billion in revenue, $20 billion in gross profit, and $12.5 billion in net income. The company has a market capitalization of more than $600 billion. That's a P/E of 50 on net income, or 30 on gross profits. The company did manage to grow profits 50% YoY but as we discussed above we expect margins to drop.That could hurt the company's ability to justify its valuation substantially and cause its share price to decline.Thesis RiskThe largest risk to our thesis is Tesla's value as an independent brand. Assuming the company remains popular, and demand remains high, higher margins could result in higher profits. Even in that case, we don't see the company managing to justify its valuation. However, it's worth paying close attention to.ConclusionTesla, Inc. is dramatically overvalued. The company is trading at 8x sales and 50x net income. The company is supported by its strong margins, but new competition is rapidly ramping up its production, with most companies expecting to double to triple production in 2023. At a minimum, that will put strong pressure on margins.We expect that pressure on margins to cause Tesla, Inc.'s profits to drop substantially. That's even when counting the company's 50% annualized anticipated production growth. We expect the company's market share to continue to decline. As a result, we recommend against investing in Tesla, Inc. stock for the long run.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":232,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":9957899522,"gmtCreate":1677138543366,"gmtModify":1677138546538,"author":{"id":"4093697688955580","authorId":"4093697688955580","authorIdStr":"4093697688955580","name":"Wildhorseusa","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"4093697688955580"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"Don't agree at all. Just look at how many people want to buy a tesla.","listText":"Don't agree at all. Just look at how many people want to buy a tesla.","text":"Don't agree at all. Just look at how many people want to buy a tesla.","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":11,"commentSize":1,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/9957899522","repostId":"2313059413","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"2313059413","pubTimestamp":1677226034,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/2313059413?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2023-02-24 16:07","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Tesla: Automaker Or Tech Company? My Take And My Investing Choice","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2313059413","media":"Seeking Alpha","summary":"SummaryThe big dilemma about Tesla, Inc. lies in the answer to a question: is Tesla an automaker or ","content":"<html><head></head><body><h2>Summary</h2><ul><li>The big dilemma about Tesla, Inc. lies in the answer to a question: is Tesla an automaker or a tech company?</li><li>In this article, I would like to share how I have come to find the answer.</li><li>I will share my investing choice, talking about Tesla&#39;s current valuation and potential investing alternatives.</li></ul><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/43d9444e059df9e26126c6a2ea34e297\" tg-width=\"1080\" tg-height=\"720\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/><span>coffeekai</span></p><h2>Introduction</h2><p>Tesla, Inc. (NASDAQ:TSLA) is one of those stocks - and companies - very difficult to write about without being caught in the fight between fans and haters. This is why, though quite interested in the automotive industry, I have been hesitant to writeabout it. In truth, there has been a lot of buzz about electric vehicles (&#34;EVs&#34;), and I think it hard to deny Tesla was a stock that experienced a lot of hype, leading to extreme valuations. This has made me cautious about it, as I know buzz and hype can be exciting but can lead to rash investing decisions.</p><p>To be clear from the beginning of this article, I am no Tesla detractor. However, I am no Tesla investor, either. I do think Tesla is a great company, whose future is probably going to be quite bright. On the other hand, thereare a few things about the stock that rule it out of my portfolio where I actually own three other automakers.</p><p>In this article, I will share for the first time my view on Tesla, hoping to present my thesis as objectively as possible. At the same time, I would like to show why I am currently building up a position in what seems to me an underestimated competitor of Tesla.</p><h2>The big question about Tesla</h2><p>The first question I had to find an answer to assess Tesla was the following: what kind of company do I think Tesla is?</p><p>We generally find two answers that revolve around these two concepts:</p><ol><li>Tesla is a tech company</li><li>Tesla is an automaker.</li></ol><p>I know things can be more complex, but as far as my research goes I really think this is the crossroad where two different investing views and strategies diverge.</p><p>I find myself agreeing with the second answer: Tesla is an automaker. This is somewhat supported by what the company states in its 10-k.</p><blockquote>We design, develop, manufacture, sell and lease high-performance fully electric vehicles and energy generation and storage systems, and offer services related to our products. We generally sell our products directly to customers, and continue to grow our customer-facing infrastructure through a global network of vehicle service centers, Mobile Service, body shops, Supercharger stations and Destination Chargers to accelerate the widespread adoption of our products. We emphasize performance, attractive styling and the safety of our users and workforce in the design and manufacture of our products and are continuing to develop full self-driving technology for improved safety. We also strive to lower the cost of ownership for our customers through continuous efforts to reduce manufacturing costs and by offering financial and other services tailored to our products.</blockquote><p>To be fair, these words are not only about electric vehicles manufacturing, as Tesla also claims to be focusing on energy generation and storage systems as well as on developing full self-driving technology (&#34;FSD&#34;). However, I see these other activities as necessarily linked to the manufacturing one. Tesla is indeed disruptive, and it has been a true pioneer, but I see it as the one company that redesigns what all other automakers will need to become to survive and thrive.</p><p>Why do I think it important to answer this question? Simply put, it tells us what industry we think Tesla is a part of. This is quite important when we do a valuation of Tesla, as we need to look at the multiples of the industry.</p><p>Tesla&#39;s financials support this view, too. In fact, if we look at the income statement streams chart, we clearly see how auto sales have the lion&#39;s share of total revenues, with $67.2 billion out of the total $81.5 billion (82.5%). If we consider the auto segment as a whole, including leasing and regulatory credits, Tesla earns 87.7% of its total revenues through activities linked to electric vehicles.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/27e4e531b8126431a0d311e3260e386c\" tg-width=\"1280\" tg-height=\"800\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/><span>created by incomestatementguy on reddit.it</span></p><p>In addition, it seems like Elon Musk himself thinks about Tesla as a &#34;volume carmaker&#34; in the &#34;automotive market,&#34; words he used during the last earnings call.</p><h2>Tesla&#39;s financials</h2><p>It is hard not to like Tesla&#39;s financials, especially if we look at their unfolding through the past decade. We have a CAGR revenue growth of almost 45%, while gross profit grew at a CAGR of 46.5% and EBITDA saw a stunning 81.6% CAGR from 2013 to the end of 2022.</p><p>In recent years, the company has turned profitable, and since 2020 its net income has moved up from $721 million to $12.56 billion, which is a CAGR of 317.31%. This is what happens when a company finally reaches scale.</p><p>Its balance sheet is strong, with just $1 billion of long-term debt and more than $22 billion in cash and short-term investments.</p><p>Free cash flow (&#34;FCF&#34;) is also strong, with $4.2 billion generated at the end of 2022 vs. the -$32.5 million reported at the end of 2013. The only flaw is that Tesla paid $1.56 billion in stock-based compensation (&#34;SBC&#34;), which actually makes the real free cash flow available to investors just $1 billion. In fact, as of now SBC is added to net income to calculate the final FCF, but, in reality, it is an expense that should be moved down to financing activities and be accounted for as an expense. Therefore, we have to subtract the amount spent on SBC twice to offset the current accounting rule that sees it as an addition, and then to subtract the real expense from the previous amount.</p><p>However, on a positive note, Tesla seems to be reducing its SBC, since in 2021 it paid over $2.1 billion for this. But, still, the dilutive effect is sensible.</p><p>In terms of profitability, the company is best in class. Here I would like to show one of my favorite graphs Tesla shares with investors. We see that, while the average selling price (ASP) moves down and then stabilizes around $55,000, the operating margin goes steadily up, coming in at 17%.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/6750ec65a212dc9254efea6c82c89a41\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"263\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/><span>Tesla Q4 2022 Shareholder Deck</span></p><p>This is another way to prove how it was vital for Tesla to reach scale, as it has done in recent years. Now, every dollar of additional revenue is more valuable because of increasingly good operating efficiency.</p><p>Tesla reported 1.31 million cars sold in 2022 and expects to sell 1.8 million vehicles by the end of this fiscal year. Its plan was bold, targeting a 50% CAGR from 2020 to 2023. It is rather easy to think Tesla seems able to reach this goal.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/c79730c77c37c3638501639b6d53d9ab\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"261\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/><span>Tesla Q4 2022 Shareholder Deck</span></p><p>So, if everything is so bright, why am I not investing in Tesla?</p><h2>Why I am not a Tesla shareholder</h2><p>I have some perplexities about Tesla&#39;s expectations for the future, which inevitably impact my view of its valuation.</p><p>Before we move on, let me state once again that I am no Tesla bear, nor do I think the stock should be shorted, even though it may have indeed reached a recent peak. However, this is not my investing style, since I look for companies to hold for a decade or two.</p><p>Let me share what I am thinking about Tesla&#39;s upcoming years.</p><p>The first thing I wonder about is linked to what automotive segment the company wants to address. We saw how Mr. Musk considers Tesla a volume carmaker. But we don&#39;t know exactly what kind of volume carmaker Tesla wants to be. Does it aim at being an 8 million one, like Volkswagen (OTCPK:VWAGY), General Motors (GM) or Toyota (TM)? Does it aim at selling between 2 and 3 million vehicles per year, like Mercedes (OTCPK:MBGAF) or BMW (OTCPK:BMWYY) do? The answer to this question is quite important for a forecast.</p><p>Currently, Tesla manufactures four vehicles: the Model 3, Y, S and X. While Model 3 and Model Y have a base price for mass-market appeal, the other two don&#39;t. Still, both Model 3 and Model Y have a starting selling price between $40,000 and $60,000, which is not exactly the price range to address all consumers. The other two models have a starting selling price around $100,000.</p><p>Tesla has written more than once that it is committed to making its manufacturing process more efficient to bring down the average selling price. However, there are other automakers that are able to sell electric vehicles at more affordable prices. Tesla may start manufacturing subcompact vehicles, but this would benefit mostly volumes over margins, as that segment is highly competitive and many automakers are already or will soon be producing electric cars for this market.</p><p>The other option is that Tesla turns into a premium volume automaker. This will make it compete with brands such as Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Lexus and others. While this is a higher margin segment, volumes are a bit lower, with Mercedes and BMW selling about 2 million vehicles per year. Tesla may do a bit more, but I don&#39;t see it grabbing away from brands with such a strength all their market share.</p><p>In fact, Mercedes&#39; electric car portfolio seems to be already richer than Tesla&#39;s.</p><p>In other words, I have a hard time thinking Tesla will be able to grow significantly among premium brands without finding hard competition with well-established and highly-appreciated brands.</p><p>On the other hand, Tesla has the advantage in that it doesn&#39;t have to cannibalize its old models, while all other OEMs do. However, while we are seeing the same thing happening with Netflix (NFLX) and its other streaming competitors, where the latter have to cannibalize their profitable cable business to build up their own streaming platform, in the case of automakers, the shift toward EVs is actually generating higher profitability.</p><h2>My take: The issue with Tesla&#39;s valuation and what already I own instead of it</h2><p>It may not sound that original saying that what keeps me from investing in Tesla is its sky-high valuation. But let&#39;s recall that oftentimes the easiest and most renowned investing principles are forgotten when buzz and hype take place. For sure, Tesla is exciting and this is why we should double down and caution.</p><p>On my side, I don&#39;t immediately run away from a stock because I see a high P/E or a high P/FCF multiple. For example, staying within the automotive industry, I own Ferrari (RACE). I would never compare Ferrari to Tesla. They are too different. But it is just an example to show how I am willing to pay a higher price when I think it is worth it.</p><p>However, the big difference I see between Ferrari and Tesla is that Ferrari&#39;s future results are much more predictable than Tesla&#39;s. Still, a jewel like Ferrari trades a lower multiples compared to Tesla: Ferrari trades at a 39 fwd P/E vs. Tesla&#39;s 58, its fwd EV/EBITDA is 21.4 vs. Tesla&#39;s 31, its P/FCF is 37.3 vs. Tesla&#39;s 44.8. And this happens while Ferrari&#39;s profitability metrics are better than Tesla&#39;s: 24% EBIT margin vs. 16.8%; net income margin at 18.4% for Ferrari while for Tesla it is at 15.4%, return on equity of 40.6% for Ferrari and at 32.5% for Tesla.</p><p>Coming down to a more realistic comparison, so that we don&#39;t risk to mix apples with oranges, let&#39;s look at Mercedes and compare it to Tesla (in bold is the better result between the two):</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/419bc889efd58b6e8e2d7b158e5d56b1\" tg-width=\"407\" tg-height=\"332\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Tesla is the winner, but Mercedes is not very far behind, especially as we move down the income statement. Now, let&#39;s see how the market prices Tesla&#39;s leading position compared to Mercedes:</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/8e9e9e951f1e5f0e7649a9c1478da748\" tg-width=\"378\" tg-height=\"263\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>To me, the difference is too wide, especially if we consider Mercedes&#39; high-quality strategy that is effectively managing to increase the company&#39;s profitability.</p><p>This is why I actually own Mercedes as my favorite pick among premium luxury automakers.</p><p>My third pick - even though, as I have tried to explain, I think we are once again at risk of comparing chalk and cheese - is Stellantis N.V. (STLA). If we look at automakers that produce affordable vehicles truly addressed to customers without deep pockets, then I think the Stellantis bull case almost speaks for itself as soon as we look at its financials and at its multiples. We are talking about a double-digit margin automaker, with incredibly skilled management, lots of tailwinds going for it (i.e., synergies), low geopolitical risk, etc. trading at unreasonable multiples of a 3 fwd P/E, a 1.2 fwd (EV/EBITDA) and a 2.3 P/FCF. I am not kidding. The company trades as if it were to go bankrupt tomorrow, while it is swimming in cash.</p><p>Let me share my discounted cash flow (&#34;DCF&#34;) model on Tesla, just to check if my thesis may be supported by future cash flow. Even projecting a 5 year free cash flow (&#34;FCF&#34;) growth rate of 45% and then assuming a 9% perpetual growth rate (very generous assumptions), I still find TSLA stock should not trade over $150.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/c07f13a52a88af371a1b262a496e9e32\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"205\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/><span>Author, with data from SA and own future forecast</span></p><p>As I said, it is not my investing style to short a stock or make short-term trades. I am in for the long term. But I think Tesla, Inc.&#39;s stock got a bit ahead of itself, especially given the fact that it has reached such volumes that will make it harder for the company to keep on growing at the fast pace investors are expecting. Many investors have for sure gained a lot of money with Tesla stock, while many other have lost a ton of it. As for me, I keep on studying Tesla, Inc. as an investor interested in the industry, but I don&#39;t see TSLA stock as appealing as other opportunities. This is why I rate Tesla, Inc. as a hold.</p><p><i>This article is written by Luca Socci for reference only. Please note the risks.</i></p></body></html>","source":"seekingalpha_fund","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Tesla: Automaker Or Tech Company? 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My Take And My Investing Choice\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2023-02-24 16:07 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://seekingalpha.com/article/4580350-tesla-automaker-or-tech-company-my-take-and-my-investing-choice><strong>Seeking Alpha</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>SummaryThe big dilemma about Tesla, Inc. lies in the answer to a question: is Tesla an automaker or a tech company?In this article, I would like to share how I have come to find the answer.I will ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4580350-tesla-automaker-or-tech-company-my-take-and-my-investing-choice\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"BK4588":"碎股","BK4550":"红杉资本持仓","LU2249611893.SGD":"BNP PARIBAS ENERGY TRANSITION \"CRH\" (SGD) ACC","IE00BSNM7G36.USD":"NEUBERGER BERMAN SYSTEMATIC GLOBAL SUSTAINABLE VALUE \"A\" (USD) ACC","LU0820561909.HKD":"ALLIANZ INCOME AND GROWTH \"AM\" (HKD) INC","LU0234572021.USD":"高盛美国核心股票组合Acc","BK4551":"寇图资本持仓","BK4574":"无人驾驶","TSLA":"特斯拉","LU2063271972.USD":"富兰克林创新领域基金","BK4581":"高盛持仓","IE00BWXC8680.SGD":"PINEBRIDGE US LARGE CAP RESEARCH ENHANCED \"A5\" (SGD) ACC","LU0823414478.USD":"法巴经典能源转换基金","LU0097036916.USD":"贝莱德美国增长A2 USD","BK4099":"汽车制造商","BK4511":"特斯拉概念","LU0689472784.USD":"安联收益及增长基金Cl AM AT Acc","LU2087621335.USD":"ALLSPRING GLOBAL FACTOR ENHANCED EQUITY \"A\" (USD) ACC","BK4548":"巴美列捷福持仓","LU1852331112.SGD":"Blackrock World Technology Fund A2 SGD-H","LU1720051017.SGD":"Allianz Global Artificial Intelligence AT Acc H2-SGD","LU0056508442.USD":"贝莱德世界科技基金A2","LU1861215975.USD":"贝莱德新一代科技基金 A2","LU0198837287.USD":"UBS (LUX) EQUITY SICAV - USA GROWTH \"P\" (USD) ACC","LU0316494557.USD":"FRANKLIN GLOBAL FUNDAMENTAL STRATEGIES \"A\" ACC","LU1548497426.USD":"安联环球人工智能AT Acc","LU0820561818.USD":"安联收益及增长平衡基金Cl AM DIS","LU1861220033.SGD":"Blackrock Next Generation Technology A2 SGD-H","LU1861558580.USD":"日兴方舟颠覆性创新基金B","LU1551013425.SGD":"Allianz Income and Growth Cl AMg2 DIS H2-SGD","IE00B1XK9C88.USD":"PINEBRIDGE US LARGE CAP RESEARCH ENHANCED \"A\" (USD) ACC","LU0348723411.USD":"ALLIANZ GLOBAL HI-TECH GROWTH \"A\" (USD) INC","BK4585":"ETF&股票定投概念","LU0943347566.SGD":"安联收益及增长平衡基金AM H2-SGD","LU1720051108.HKD":"ALLIANZ GLOBAL ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE \"AT\" (HKD) ACC","BK4534":"瑞士信贷持仓","BK4555":"新能源车","LU2357305700.SGD":"Allianz Global Artificial Intelligence ET H2-SGD","LU0234570918.USD":"高盛全球核心股票组合Acc Close","BK4533":"AQR资本管理(全球第二大对冲基金)","LU1861559042.SGD":"日兴方舟颠覆性创新基金B SGD","LU1839511570.USD":"WELLS FARGO GLOBAL FACTOR ENHANCED EQUITY \"I\" (USD) ACC","LU0053666078.USD":"摩根大通基金-美国股票A（离岸）美元","LU0823411888.USD":"法巴消费创新基金 Cap","LU0082616367.USD":"摩根大通美国科技A（dist）","LU1551013342.USD":"Allianz Income and Growth Cl AMg2 DIS USD","BK4527":"明星科技股","LU0719512351.SGD":"JPMorgan Funds - US Technology A (acc) SGD"},"source_url":"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4580350-tesla-automaker-or-tech-company-my-take-and-my-investing-choice","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"2313059413","content_text":"SummaryThe big dilemma about Tesla, Inc. lies in the answer to a question: is Tesla an automaker or a tech company?In this article, I would like to share how I have come to find the answer.I will share my investing choice, talking about Tesla's current valuation and potential investing alternatives.coffeekaiIntroductionTesla, Inc. (NASDAQ:TSLA) is one of those stocks - and companies - very difficult to write about without being caught in the fight between fans and haters. This is why, though quite interested in the automotive industry, I have been hesitant to writeabout it. In truth, there has been a lot of buzz about electric vehicles (\"EVs\"), and I think it hard to deny Tesla was a stock that experienced a lot of hype, leading to extreme valuations. This has made me cautious about it, as I know buzz and hype can be exciting but can lead to rash investing decisions.To be clear from the beginning of this article, I am no Tesla detractor. However, I am no Tesla investor, either. I do think Tesla is a great company, whose future is probably going to be quite bright. On the other hand, thereare a few things about the stock that rule it out of my portfolio where I actually own three other automakers.In this article, I will share for the first time my view on Tesla, hoping to present my thesis as objectively as possible. At the same time, I would like to show why I am currently building up a position in what seems to me an underestimated competitor of Tesla.The big question about TeslaThe first question I had to find an answer to assess Tesla was the following: what kind of company do I think Tesla is?We generally find two answers that revolve around these two concepts:Tesla is a tech companyTesla is an automaker.I know things can be more complex, but as far as my research goes I really think this is the crossroad where two different investing views and strategies diverge.I find myself agreeing with the second answer: Tesla is an automaker. This is somewhat supported by what the company states in its 10-k.We design, develop, manufacture, sell and lease high-performance fully electric vehicles and energy generation and storage systems, and offer services related to our products. We generally sell our products directly to customers, and continue to grow our customer-facing infrastructure through a global network of vehicle service centers, Mobile Service, body shops, Supercharger stations and Destination Chargers to accelerate the widespread adoption of our products. We emphasize performance, attractive styling and the safety of our users and workforce in the design and manufacture of our products and are continuing to develop full self-driving technology for improved safety. We also strive to lower the cost of ownership for our customers through continuous efforts to reduce manufacturing costs and by offering financial and other services tailored to our products.To be fair, these words are not only about electric vehicles manufacturing, as Tesla also claims to be focusing on energy generation and storage systems as well as on developing full self-driving technology (\"FSD\"). However, I see these other activities as necessarily linked to the manufacturing one. Tesla is indeed disruptive, and it has been a true pioneer, but I see it as the one company that redesigns what all other automakers will need to become to survive and thrive.Why do I think it important to answer this question? Simply put, it tells us what industry we think Tesla is a part of. This is quite important when we do a valuation of Tesla, as we need to look at the multiples of the industry.Tesla's financials support this view, too. In fact, if we look at the income statement streams chart, we clearly see how auto sales have the lion's share of total revenues, with $67.2 billion out of the total $81.5 billion (82.5%). If we consider the auto segment as a whole, including leasing and regulatory credits, Tesla earns 87.7% of its total revenues through activities linked to electric vehicles.created by incomestatementguy on reddit.itIn addition, it seems like Elon Musk himself thinks about Tesla as a \"volume carmaker\" in the \"automotive market,\" words he used during the last earnings call.Tesla's financialsIt is hard not to like Tesla's financials, especially if we look at their unfolding through the past decade. We have a CAGR revenue growth of almost 45%, while gross profit grew at a CAGR of 46.5% and EBITDA saw a stunning 81.6% CAGR from 2013 to the end of 2022.In recent years, the company has turned profitable, and since 2020 its net income has moved up from $721 million to $12.56 billion, which is a CAGR of 317.31%. This is what happens when a company finally reaches scale.Its balance sheet is strong, with just $1 billion of long-term debt and more than $22 billion in cash and short-term investments.Free cash flow (\"FCF\") is also strong, with $4.2 billion generated at the end of 2022 vs. the -$32.5 million reported at the end of 2013. The only flaw is that Tesla paid $1.56 billion in stock-based compensation (\"SBC\"), which actually makes the real free cash flow available to investors just $1 billion. In fact, as of now SBC is added to net income to calculate the final FCF, but, in reality, it is an expense that should be moved down to financing activities and be accounted for as an expense. Therefore, we have to subtract the amount spent on SBC twice to offset the current accounting rule that sees it as an addition, and then to subtract the real expense from the previous amount.However, on a positive note, Tesla seems to be reducing its SBC, since in 2021 it paid over $2.1 billion for this. But, still, the dilutive effect is sensible.In terms of profitability, the company is best in class. Here I would like to show one of my favorite graphs Tesla shares with investors. We see that, while the average selling price (ASP) moves down and then stabilizes around $55,000, the operating margin goes steadily up, coming in at 17%.Tesla Q4 2022 Shareholder DeckThis is another way to prove how it was vital for Tesla to reach scale, as it has done in recent years. Now, every dollar of additional revenue is more valuable because of increasingly good operating efficiency.Tesla reported 1.31 million cars sold in 2022 and expects to sell 1.8 million vehicles by the end of this fiscal year. Its plan was bold, targeting a 50% CAGR from 2020 to 2023. It is rather easy to think Tesla seems able to reach this goal.Tesla Q4 2022 Shareholder DeckSo, if everything is so bright, why am I not investing in Tesla?Why I am not a Tesla shareholderI have some perplexities about Tesla's expectations for the future, which inevitably impact my view of its valuation.Before we move on, let me state once again that I am no Tesla bear, nor do I think the stock should be shorted, even though it may have indeed reached a recent peak. However, this is not my investing style, since I look for companies to hold for a decade or two.Let me share what I am thinking about Tesla's upcoming years.The first thing I wonder about is linked to what automotive segment the company wants to address. We saw how Mr. Musk considers Tesla a volume carmaker. But we don't know exactly what kind of volume carmaker Tesla wants to be. Does it aim at being an 8 million one, like Volkswagen (OTCPK:VWAGY), General Motors (GM) or Toyota (TM)? Does it aim at selling between 2 and 3 million vehicles per year, like Mercedes (OTCPK:MBGAF) or BMW (OTCPK:BMWYY) do? The answer to this question is quite important for a forecast.Currently, Tesla manufactures four vehicles: the Model 3, Y, S and X. While Model 3 and Model Y have a base price for mass-market appeal, the other two don't. Still, both Model 3 and Model Y have a starting selling price between $40,000 and $60,000, which is not exactly the price range to address all consumers. The other two models have a starting selling price around $100,000.Tesla has written more than once that it is committed to making its manufacturing process more efficient to bring down the average selling price. However, there are other automakers that are able to sell electric vehicles at more affordable prices. Tesla may start manufacturing subcompact vehicles, but this would benefit mostly volumes over margins, as that segment is highly competitive and many automakers are already or will soon be producing electric cars for this market.The other option is that Tesla turns into a premium volume automaker. This will make it compete with brands such as Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Lexus and others. While this is a higher margin segment, volumes are a bit lower, with Mercedes and BMW selling about 2 million vehicles per year. Tesla may do a bit more, but I don't see it grabbing away from brands with such a strength all their market share.In fact, Mercedes' electric car portfolio seems to be already richer than Tesla's.In other words, I have a hard time thinking Tesla will be able to grow significantly among premium brands without finding hard competition with well-established and highly-appreciated brands.On the other hand, Tesla has the advantage in that it doesn't have to cannibalize its old models, while all other OEMs do. However, while we are seeing the same thing happening with Netflix (NFLX) and its other streaming competitors, where the latter have to cannibalize their profitable cable business to build up their own streaming platform, in the case of automakers, the shift toward EVs is actually generating higher profitability.My take: The issue with Tesla's valuation and what already I own instead of itIt may not sound that original saying that what keeps me from investing in Tesla is its sky-high valuation. But let's recall that oftentimes the easiest and most renowned investing principles are forgotten when buzz and hype take place. For sure, Tesla is exciting and this is why we should double down and caution.On my side, I don't immediately run away from a stock because I see a high P/E or a high P/FCF multiple. For example, staying within the automotive industry, I own Ferrari (RACE). I would never compare Ferrari to Tesla. They are too different. But it is just an example to show how I am willing to pay a higher price when I think it is worth it.However, the big difference I see between Ferrari and Tesla is that Ferrari's future results are much more predictable than Tesla's. Still, a jewel like Ferrari trades a lower multiples compared to Tesla: Ferrari trades at a 39 fwd P/E vs. Tesla's 58, its fwd EV/EBITDA is 21.4 vs. Tesla's 31, its P/FCF is 37.3 vs. Tesla's 44.8. And this happens while Ferrari's profitability metrics are better than Tesla's: 24% EBIT margin vs. 16.8%; net income margin at 18.4% for Ferrari while for Tesla it is at 15.4%, return on equity of 40.6% for Ferrari and at 32.5% for Tesla.Coming down to a more realistic comparison, so that we don't risk to mix apples with oranges, let's look at Mercedes and compare it to Tesla (in bold is the better result between the two):Tesla is the winner, but Mercedes is not very far behind, especially as we move down the income statement. Now, let's see how the market prices Tesla's leading position compared to Mercedes:To me, the difference is too wide, especially if we consider Mercedes' high-quality strategy that is effectively managing to increase the company's profitability.This is why I actually own Mercedes as my favorite pick among premium luxury automakers.My third pick - even though, as I have tried to explain, I think we are once again at risk of comparing chalk and cheese - is Stellantis N.V. (STLA). If we look at automakers that produce affordable vehicles truly addressed to customers without deep pockets, then I think the Stellantis bull case almost speaks for itself as soon as we look at its financials and at its multiples. We are talking about a double-digit margin automaker, with incredibly skilled management, lots of tailwinds going for it (i.e., synergies), low geopolitical risk, etc. trading at unreasonable multiples of a 3 fwd P/E, a 1.2 fwd (EV/EBITDA) and a 2.3 P/FCF. I am not kidding. The company trades as if it were to go bankrupt tomorrow, while it is swimming in cash.Let me share my discounted cash flow (\"DCF\") model on Tesla, just to check if my thesis may be supported by future cash flow. Even projecting a 5 year free cash flow (\"FCF\") growth rate of 45% and then assuming a 9% perpetual growth rate (very generous assumptions), I still find TSLA stock should not trade over $150.Author, with data from SA and own future forecastAs I said, it is not my investing style to short a stock or make short-term trades. I am in for the long term. But I think Tesla, Inc.'s stock got a bit ahead of itself, especially given the fact that it has reached such volumes that will make it harder for the company to keep on growing at the fast pace investors are expecting. Many investors have for sure gained a lot of money with Tesla stock, while many other have lost a ton of it. As for me, I keep on studying Tesla, Inc. as an investor interested in the industry, but I don't see TSLA stock as appealing as other opportunities. This is why I rate Tesla, Inc. as a hold.This article is written by Luca Socci for reference only. 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I would like to share it.","listText":"Great article! I would like to share it.","text":"Great article! I would like to share it.","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/9077030448","repostId":"1164092479","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"1164092479","pubTimestamp":1657553305,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/1164092479?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2022-07-11 23:28","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Tesla: The Last Bubble Standing","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1164092479","media":"Seeking Alpha","summary":"SummaryAs the market crumbles around it, the enthusiasm for Tesla is unwavering. With a 1% earnings ","content":"<html><head></head><body><p><b>Summary</b></p><ul><li>As the market crumbles around it, the enthusiasm for Tesla is unwavering. With a 1% earnings yield, Tesla is the last bubble standing.</li><li>Elon Musk’s diverted focus is not good news for AI and autonomous drive. He’s been selling stock hand-over-fist.</li><li>In the next recession, Tesla&#39;s earnings will likely decline, and the bubble will go &#34;pop.&#34; We&#39;ll dig into why we see a lost decade ahead for TSLA.</li></ul><p><b>The Thesis</b></p><p>Tesla (NASDAQ:TSLA) has captured the minds of investors the world over. The company has become more of a gambling machine than an investment; in 2021, TSLA was the most traded stock among retail investors.</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/1e3d4b7cda76da9b0147473895a518c9\" tg-width=\"1040\" tg-height=\"1088\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Most Traded Stocks (Degiro)</p><p>So why is Tesla not crumbling entirely in the face of this bear market? Well, autos are still riding an all-time hot wave of sales, and investors aren&#39;t pricing in the cyclicality of earnings. In a deep recession, Tesla&#39;s earnings can and likely will decline, along with all other automakers. At which time, the air will come out of Tesla&#39;s stock.</p><p><b>Autos vs. Recession</b></p><p>Recessions get nasty for auto manufacturers. History has shown that it doesn&#39;t matter who you are, when big recessions hit, auto earnings not only decline but usually go negative in this capital-intensive industry. In 2009, auto manufacturers got absolutely crushed, reporting negative net income across the board:</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/178b4e4d53d206f47912083db8e6b7ea\" tg-width=\"635\" tg-height=\"450\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/>Data by YCharts</p><p>You may ask, &#34;What about the recession of 2020?&#34; Well, 2020 was unlike any recession in the past. The government sent out so many stimulus checks, that consumers&#39; bank accounts actually ballooned. Combined with the lowest interest rates in 5000 years, buying a $50,000 car became more affordable than ever.</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/8dea3cc478a3fb47133524908183cc64\" tg-width=\"786\" tg-height=\"565\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Cash Balances of American Consumers (RSM)</p><p><b>Disconnected Management</b></p><p>As the bubble booms on, Elon Musk has beensellingTesla shares hand-over-fist, with excuses like this:</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/3740aa3afe71aa226eca83a1d035e273\" tg-width=\"1200\" tg-height=\"546\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Elon Musk Tweet (Bloomberg)</p><p>This is not what we like to see from our CEO. To be fair to Musk, he did tweet this back in 2020, when the stock was at $140 per share:</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/7a940e22f55a558f3d8e8d882e91469a\" tg-width=\"602\" tg-height=\"334\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Elon Musk Tweet (Quora)</p><p>TSLA currently has a 1% earnings yield on what is likely an industry peak. It appears to us that Elon&#39;s getting out.</p><p>With the proceeds, Musk is attempting to buy Twitter (TWTR) outright. Keep in mind that Musk is not only focusing his time and attention on this, but to SpaceX, which is arguably a more promising business. The space industry is projected to reach $1 trillion in revenue by 2040.</p><p><b>A Fundamental Look At Tesla&#39;s Growth</b></p><p>Tesla is going global and getting closer to its customer base, with new factories in Shanghai, China, as well as Berlin, Germany. You would think this move would expand Tesla&#39;s market share. But from 2020 to 2021, Tesla&#39;s global market share actually shrank from17%to just under14%.</p><p>Competition is coming from everywhere. With a 14% market share, Tesla is more likely to lose share than to gain it. Companies like Honda (HMC) (OTCPK:HNDAF), BMW (OTCPK:BMWYY), Ford (F), GM (GM), Hyundai (OTCPK:HYMTF), Jaguar, Kia (OTCPK:KIMTF), Mazda (OTCPK:MZDAY) (OTCPK:MZDAF), Mercedes (OTCPK:DDAIF) (OTCPK:DMLRY), Mitsubishi, Nissan (OTCPK:NSANY) (OTCPK:NSANF), Stellantis (STLA), Subaru (OTCPK:FUJHY) (OTCPK:FUJHF), Toyota (TM) (OTCPK:TOYOF), Volkswagen (OTCPK:VWAGY) (OTCPK:VLKAF) (OTCPK:VWAPY), and Volvo (OTCPK:VOLAF) (OTCPK:VLVLY) (OTCPK:VOLVF) are all adding EVs to their lineups. Many of these companies have strong and entrenched brands and are partnering with EV titans like BYD (OTCPK:BYDDF). On top of that, they&#39;re producing EVs that are more affordable for the average consumer.</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/78163ed4a8e14f033b94ab5f7ab5ba04\" tg-width=\"664\" tg-height=\"701\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Global EV Market Share (Statista)</p><p>Tesla&#39;s margins could also decrease. A cooler economy, increased competition, and used EVs coming online means the price of buying an EV could actually fall over time. Tesla&#39;s benefited from government credits, but these credits could dissipate now that EV companies like Tesla are profitable and highly valued.</p><p>To understand where Tesla is going, we need to understand where the industry is going. The number of electric vehicles sold globally is projected to grow at 17.5% per annum through to 2030. Tesla&#39;s energy business has grown revenue at21% per annum over the past 3 years.</p><p>95% of Tesla&#39;s revenue still comes from the automotive arm:</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/27d7141d89fbc6299c4d310ef0e3a6d2\" tg-width=\"1268\" tg-height=\"344\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Tesla&#39;s Revenue Breakdown (2021 Annual Report)</p><p>Given the market share, margins, and industry risks, we estimate Tesla will simply match the growth of global EV sales, growing 17.5% per annum. The energy business should continue to grow and become profitable, which will partially make up for the issues cited above.</p><p><b>The Valuation</b></p><p>Our 2032 price target for TSLA is $683 per share, indicating a return of 0% per annum, with no dividends.</p><ul><li>Tesla has earnings of $7.78 per share, giving it a PE of nearly 100. If Tesla&#39;s EPS should grow at 17.5% per annum, we get 2032 earnings of $39 per share. While the typical car company trades at just 10x normalized earnings, Tesla continues to benefit from the transition to EVs, and should have a more prominent footprint in clean energy generation and storage in 2032. We&#39;ve applied a terminal multiple of 17.5x earnings, which is a 75% premium to the average car company. Remember, the auto business is cyclical, competitive, and prone to bankruptcy. It&#39;s difficult to justify a higher multiple unless our risks to the thesis play out.</li></ul><p><b>Risks To The Thesis</b></p><p>Tesla&#39;s future is very up in the air. Elon Musk has all sorts of stories for investors revolving around autonomous drive, robotics, ride-sharing, and artificial intelligence. However, we do not yet have substantial revenues from Musk&#39;s many grand ideas. When those revenues do materialize, the businesses are likely to be loss-making, much like TSLA&#39;s energy business thus far. Competition will be strong in these fields. Autonomous drive, for instance, has attracted competition from Microsoft (MSFT), Alphabet (GOOG) (GOOGL), Uber (UBER), General Motors, Nvidia (NVDA), Baidu (BIDU), Ford, Aptiv (APTV), and Luminar Technologies (LAZR).</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/ee253b2e571ef4520e73af17cb9e1ee6\" tg-width=\"1280\" tg-height=\"1280\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Tesla Bot (Wired)</p><p>If Elon Musk&#39;s focus doesn&#39;t stray too much, the company could win in one or more of these fields, which would be a boon for long-term profits and Tesla&#39;s terminal multiple.</p><p>For more on the Tesla bull thesis, readers can review claims by Cathie Wood, who says the stock will quintuple in a few years.</p></body></html>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Tesla: The Last Bubble Standing</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nTesla: The Last Bubble Standing\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2022-07-11 23:28 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://seekingalpha.com/article/4522405-tesla-stock-the-last-bubble-standing?source=content_type%3Aall%7Cfirst_level_url%3Aportfolio%7Csection%3Aportfolio_content_unit%7Csection_asset%3Alatest%7Cline%3A23><strong>Seeking Alpha</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>SummaryAs the market crumbles around it, the enthusiasm for Tesla is unwavering. With a 1% earnings yield, Tesla is the last bubble standing.Elon Musk’s diverted focus is not good news for AI and ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4522405-tesla-stock-the-last-bubble-standing?source=content_type%3Aall%7Cfirst_level_url%3Aportfolio%7Csection%3Aportfolio_content_unit%7Csection_asset%3Alatest%7Cline%3A23\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"TSLA":"特斯拉"},"source_url":"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4522405-tesla-stock-the-last-bubble-standing?source=content_type%3Aall%7Cfirst_level_url%3Aportfolio%7Csection%3Aportfolio_content_unit%7Csection_asset%3Alatest%7Cline%3A23","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1164092479","content_text":"SummaryAs the market crumbles around it, the enthusiasm for Tesla is unwavering. With a 1% earnings yield, Tesla is the last bubble standing.Elon Musk’s diverted focus is not good news for AI and autonomous drive. He’s been selling stock hand-over-fist.In the next recession, Tesla's earnings will likely decline, and the bubble will go \"pop.\" We'll dig into why we see a lost decade ahead for TSLA.The ThesisTesla (NASDAQ:TSLA) has captured the minds of investors the world over. The company has become more of a gambling machine than an investment; in 2021, TSLA was the most traded stock among retail investors.Most Traded Stocks (Degiro)So why is Tesla not crumbling entirely in the face of this bear market? Well, autos are still riding an all-time hot wave of sales, and investors aren't pricing in the cyclicality of earnings. In a deep recession, Tesla's earnings can and likely will decline, along with all other automakers. At which time, the air will come out of Tesla's stock.Autos vs. RecessionRecessions get nasty for auto manufacturers. History has shown that it doesn't matter who you are, when big recessions hit, auto earnings not only decline but usually go negative in this capital-intensive industry. In 2009, auto manufacturers got absolutely crushed, reporting negative net income across the board:Data by YChartsYou may ask, \"What about the recession of 2020?\" Well, 2020 was unlike any recession in the past. The government sent out so many stimulus checks, that consumers' bank accounts actually ballooned. Combined with the lowest interest rates in 5000 years, buying a $50,000 car became more affordable than ever.Cash Balances of American Consumers (RSM)Disconnected ManagementAs the bubble booms on, Elon Musk has beensellingTesla shares hand-over-fist, with excuses like this:Elon Musk Tweet (Bloomberg)This is not what we like to see from our CEO. To be fair to Musk, he did tweet this back in 2020, when the stock was at $140 per share:Elon Musk Tweet (Quora)TSLA currently has a 1% earnings yield on what is likely an industry peak. It appears to us that Elon's getting out.With the proceeds, Musk is attempting to buy Twitter (TWTR) outright. Keep in mind that Musk is not only focusing his time and attention on this, but to SpaceX, which is arguably a more promising business. The space industry is projected to reach $1 trillion in revenue by 2040.A Fundamental Look At Tesla's GrowthTesla is going global and getting closer to its customer base, with new factories in Shanghai, China, as well as Berlin, Germany. You would think this move would expand Tesla's market share. But from 2020 to 2021, Tesla's global market share actually shrank from17%to just under14%.Competition is coming from everywhere. With a 14% market share, Tesla is more likely to lose share than to gain it. Companies like Honda (HMC) (OTCPK:HNDAF), BMW (OTCPK:BMWYY), Ford (F), GM (GM), Hyundai (OTCPK:HYMTF), Jaguar, Kia (OTCPK:KIMTF), Mazda (OTCPK:MZDAY) (OTCPK:MZDAF), Mercedes (OTCPK:DDAIF) (OTCPK:DMLRY), Mitsubishi, Nissan (OTCPK:NSANY) (OTCPK:NSANF), Stellantis (STLA), Subaru (OTCPK:FUJHY) (OTCPK:FUJHF), Toyota (TM) (OTCPK:TOYOF), Volkswagen (OTCPK:VWAGY) (OTCPK:VLKAF) (OTCPK:VWAPY), and Volvo (OTCPK:VOLAF) (OTCPK:VLVLY) (OTCPK:VOLVF) are all adding EVs to their lineups. Many of these companies have strong and entrenched brands and are partnering with EV titans like BYD (OTCPK:BYDDF). On top of that, they're producing EVs that are more affordable for the average consumer.Global EV Market Share (Statista)Tesla's margins could also decrease. A cooler economy, increased competition, and used EVs coming online means the price of buying an EV could actually fall over time. Tesla's benefited from government credits, but these credits could dissipate now that EV companies like Tesla are profitable and highly valued.To understand where Tesla is going, we need to understand where the industry is going. The number of electric vehicles sold globally is projected to grow at 17.5% per annum through to 2030. Tesla's energy business has grown revenue at21% per annum over the past 3 years.95% of Tesla's revenue still comes from the automotive arm:Tesla's Revenue Breakdown (2021 Annual Report)Given the market share, margins, and industry risks, we estimate Tesla will simply match the growth of global EV sales, growing 17.5% per annum. The energy business should continue to grow and become profitable, which will partially make up for the issues cited above.The ValuationOur 2032 price target for TSLA is $683 per share, indicating a return of 0% per annum, with no dividends.Tesla has earnings of $7.78 per share, giving it a PE of nearly 100. If Tesla's EPS should grow at 17.5% per annum, we get 2032 earnings of $39 per share. While the typical car company trades at just 10x normalized earnings, Tesla continues to benefit from the transition to EVs, and should have a more prominent footprint in clean energy generation and storage in 2032. We've applied a terminal multiple of 17.5x earnings, which is a 75% premium to the average car company. Remember, the auto business is cyclical, competitive, and prone to bankruptcy. It's difficult to justify a higher multiple unless our risks to the thesis play out.Risks To The ThesisTesla's future is very up in the air. Elon Musk has all sorts of stories for investors revolving around autonomous drive, robotics, ride-sharing, and artificial intelligence. However, we do not yet have substantial revenues from Musk's many grand ideas. When those revenues do materialize, the businesses are likely to be loss-making, much like TSLA's energy business thus far. Competition will be strong in these fields. Autonomous drive, for instance, has attracted competition from Microsoft (MSFT), Alphabet (GOOG) (GOOGL), Uber (UBER), General Motors, Nvidia (NVDA), Baidu (BIDU), Ford, Aptiv (APTV), and Luminar Technologies (LAZR).Tesla Bot (Wired)If Elon Musk's focus doesn't stray too much, the company could win in one or more of these fields, which would be a boon for long-term profits and Tesla's terminal multiple.For more on the Tesla bull thesis, readers can review claims by Cathie Wood, who says the stock will quintuple in a few years.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":302,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":9071576456,"gmtCreate":1657577643775,"gmtModify":1676536025996,"author":{"id":"4093697688955580","authorId":"4093697688955580","authorIdStr":"4093697688955580","name":"Wildhorseusa","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"4093697688955580"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"Great article! I would like to share it.","listText":"Great article! I would like to share it.","text":"Great article! I would like to share it.","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/9071576456","repostId":"1164092479","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"1164092479","pubTimestamp":1657553305,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/1164092479?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2022-07-11 23:28","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Tesla: The Last Bubble Standing","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1164092479","media":"Seeking Alpha","summary":"SummaryAs the market crumbles around it, the enthusiasm for Tesla is unwavering. With a 1% earnings ","content":"<html><head></head><body><p><b>Summary</b></p><ul><li>As the market crumbles around it, the enthusiasm for Tesla is unwavering. With a 1% earnings yield, Tesla is the last bubble standing.</li><li>Elon Musk’s diverted focus is not good news for AI and autonomous drive. He’s been selling stock hand-over-fist.</li><li>In the next recession, Tesla&#39;s earnings will likely decline, and the bubble will go &#34;pop.&#34; We&#39;ll dig into why we see a lost decade ahead for TSLA.</li></ul><p><b>The Thesis</b></p><p>Tesla (NASDAQ:TSLA) has captured the minds of investors the world over. The company has become more of a gambling machine than an investment; in 2021, TSLA was the most traded stock among retail investors.</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/1e3d4b7cda76da9b0147473895a518c9\" tg-width=\"1040\" tg-height=\"1088\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Most Traded Stocks (Degiro)</p><p>So why is Tesla not crumbling entirely in the face of this bear market? Well, autos are still riding an all-time hot wave of sales, and investors aren&#39;t pricing in the cyclicality of earnings. In a deep recession, Tesla&#39;s earnings can and likely will decline, along with all other automakers. At which time, the air will come out of Tesla&#39;s stock.</p><p><b>Autos vs. Recession</b></p><p>Recessions get nasty for auto manufacturers. History has shown that it doesn&#39;t matter who you are, when big recessions hit, auto earnings not only decline but usually go negative in this capital-intensive industry. In 2009, auto manufacturers got absolutely crushed, reporting negative net income across the board:</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/178b4e4d53d206f47912083db8e6b7ea\" tg-width=\"635\" tg-height=\"450\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/>Data by YCharts</p><p>You may ask, &#34;What about the recession of 2020?&#34; Well, 2020 was unlike any recession in the past. The government sent out so many stimulus checks, that consumers&#39; bank accounts actually ballooned. Combined with the lowest interest rates in 5000 years, buying a $50,000 car became more affordable than ever.</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/8dea3cc478a3fb47133524908183cc64\" tg-width=\"786\" tg-height=\"565\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Cash Balances of American Consumers (RSM)</p><p><b>Disconnected Management</b></p><p>As the bubble booms on, Elon Musk has beensellingTesla shares hand-over-fist, with excuses like this:</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/3740aa3afe71aa226eca83a1d035e273\" tg-width=\"1200\" tg-height=\"546\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Elon Musk Tweet (Bloomberg)</p><p>This is not what we like to see from our CEO. To be fair to Musk, he did tweet this back in 2020, when the stock was at $140 per share:</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/7a940e22f55a558f3d8e8d882e91469a\" tg-width=\"602\" tg-height=\"334\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Elon Musk Tweet (Quora)</p><p>TSLA currently has a 1% earnings yield on what is likely an industry peak. It appears to us that Elon&#39;s getting out.</p><p>With the proceeds, Musk is attempting to buy Twitter (TWTR) outright. Keep in mind that Musk is not only focusing his time and attention on this, but to SpaceX, which is arguably a more promising business. The space industry is projected to reach $1 trillion in revenue by 2040.</p><p><b>A Fundamental Look At Tesla&#39;s Growth</b></p><p>Tesla is going global and getting closer to its customer base, with new factories in Shanghai, China, as well as Berlin, Germany. You would think this move would expand Tesla&#39;s market share. But from 2020 to 2021, Tesla&#39;s global market share actually shrank from17%to just under14%.</p><p>Competition is coming from everywhere. With a 14% market share, Tesla is more likely to lose share than to gain it. Companies like Honda (HMC) (OTCPK:HNDAF), BMW (OTCPK:BMWYY), Ford (F), GM (GM), Hyundai (OTCPK:HYMTF), Jaguar, Kia (OTCPK:KIMTF), Mazda (OTCPK:MZDAY) (OTCPK:MZDAF), Mercedes (OTCPK:DDAIF) (OTCPK:DMLRY), Mitsubishi, Nissan (OTCPK:NSANY) (OTCPK:NSANF), Stellantis (STLA), Subaru (OTCPK:FUJHY) (OTCPK:FUJHF), Toyota (TM) (OTCPK:TOYOF), Volkswagen (OTCPK:VWAGY) (OTCPK:VLKAF) (OTCPK:VWAPY), and Volvo (OTCPK:VOLAF) (OTCPK:VLVLY) (OTCPK:VOLVF) are all adding EVs to their lineups. Many of these companies have strong and entrenched brands and are partnering with EV titans like BYD (OTCPK:BYDDF). On top of that, they&#39;re producing EVs that are more affordable for the average consumer.</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/78163ed4a8e14f033b94ab5f7ab5ba04\" tg-width=\"664\" tg-height=\"701\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Global EV Market Share (Statista)</p><p>Tesla&#39;s margins could also decrease. A cooler economy, increased competition, and used EVs coming online means the price of buying an EV could actually fall over time. Tesla&#39;s benefited from government credits, but these credits could dissipate now that EV companies like Tesla are profitable and highly valued.</p><p>To understand where Tesla is going, we need to understand where the industry is going. The number of electric vehicles sold globally is projected to grow at 17.5% per annum through to 2030. Tesla&#39;s energy business has grown revenue at21% per annum over the past 3 years.</p><p>95% of Tesla&#39;s revenue still comes from the automotive arm:</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/27d7141d89fbc6299c4d310ef0e3a6d2\" tg-width=\"1268\" tg-height=\"344\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Tesla&#39;s Revenue Breakdown (2021 Annual Report)</p><p>Given the market share, margins, and industry risks, we estimate Tesla will simply match the growth of global EV sales, growing 17.5% per annum. The energy business should continue to grow and become profitable, which will partially make up for the issues cited above.</p><p><b>The Valuation</b></p><p>Our 2032 price target for TSLA is $683 per share, indicating a return of 0% per annum, with no dividends.</p><ul><li>Tesla has earnings of $7.78 per share, giving it a PE of nearly 100. If Tesla&#39;s EPS should grow at 17.5% per annum, we get 2032 earnings of $39 per share. While the typical car company trades at just 10x normalized earnings, Tesla continues to benefit from the transition to EVs, and should have a more prominent footprint in clean energy generation and storage in 2032. We&#39;ve applied a terminal multiple of 17.5x earnings, which is a 75% premium to the average car company. Remember, the auto business is cyclical, competitive, and prone to bankruptcy. It&#39;s difficult to justify a higher multiple unless our risks to the thesis play out.</li></ul><p><b>Risks To The Thesis</b></p><p>Tesla&#39;s future is very up in the air. Elon Musk has all sorts of stories for investors revolving around autonomous drive, robotics, ride-sharing, and artificial intelligence. However, we do not yet have substantial revenues from Musk&#39;s many grand ideas. When those revenues do materialize, the businesses are likely to be loss-making, much like TSLA&#39;s energy business thus far. Competition will be strong in these fields. Autonomous drive, for instance, has attracted competition from Microsoft (MSFT), Alphabet (GOOG) (GOOGL), Uber (UBER), General Motors, Nvidia (NVDA), Baidu (BIDU), Ford, Aptiv (APTV), and Luminar Technologies (LAZR).</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/ee253b2e571ef4520e73af17cb9e1ee6\" tg-width=\"1280\" tg-height=\"1280\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Tesla Bot (Wired)</p><p>If Elon Musk&#39;s focus doesn&#39;t stray too much, the company could win in one or more of these fields, which would be a boon for long-term profits and Tesla&#39;s terminal multiple.</p><p>For more on the Tesla bull thesis, readers can review claims by Cathie Wood, who says the stock will quintuple in a few years.</p></body></html>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Tesla: The Last Bubble Standing</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nTesla: The Last Bubble Standing\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2022-07-11 23:28 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://seekingalpha.com/article/4522405-tesla-stock-the-last-bubble-standing?source=content_type%3Aall%7Cfirst_level_url%3Aportfolio%7Csection%3Aportfolio_content_unit%7Csection_asset%3Alatest%7Cline%3A23><strong>Seeking Alpha</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>SummaryAs the market crumbles around it, the enthusiasm for Tesla is unwavering. With a 1% earnings yield, Tesla is the last bubble standing.Elon Musk’s diverted focus is not good news for AI and ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4522405-tesla-stock-the-last-bubble-standing?source=content_type%3Aall%7Cfirst_level_url%3Aportfolio%7Csection%3Aportfolio_content_unit%7Csection_asset%3Alatest%7Cline%3A23\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"TSLA":"特斯拉"},"source_url":"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4522405-tesla-stock-the-last-bubble-standing?source=content_type%3Aall%7Cfirst_level_url%3Aportfolio%7Csection%3Aportfolio_content_unit%7Csection_asset%3Alatest%7Cline%3A23","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1164092479","content_text":"SummaryAs the market crumbles around it, the enthusiasm for Tesla is unwavering. With a 1% earnings yield, Tesla is the last bubble standing.Elon Musk’s diverted focus is not good news for AI and autonomous drive. He’s been selling stock hand-over-fist.In the next recession, Tesla's earnings will likely decline, and the bubble will go \"pop.\" We'll dig into why we see a lost decade ahead for TSLA.The ThesisTesla (NASDAQ:TSLA) has captured the minds of investors the world over. The company has become more of a gambling machine than an investment; in 2021, TSLA was the most traded stock among retail investors.Most Traded Stocks (Degiro)So why is Tesla not crumbling entirely in the face of this bear market? Well, autos are still riding an all-time hot wave of sales, and investors aren't pricing in the cyclicality of earnings. In a deep recession, Tesla's earnings can and likely will decline, along with all other automakers. At which time, the air will come out of Tesla's stock.Autos vs. RecessionRecessions get nasty for auto manufacturers. History has shown that it doesn't matter who you are, when big recessions hit, auto earnings not only decline but usually go negative in this capital-intensive industry. In 2009, auto manufacturers got absolutely crushed, reporting negative net income across the board:Data by YChartsYou may ask, \"What about the recession of 2020?\" Well, 2020 was unlike any recession in the past. The government sent out so many stimulus checks, that consumers' bank accounts actually ballooned. Combined with the lowest interest rates in 5000 years, buying a $50,000 car became more affordable than ever.Cash Balances of American Consumers (RSM)Disconnected ManagementAs the bubble booms on, Elon Musk has beensellingTesla shares hand-over-fist, with excuses like this:Elon Musk Tweet (Bloomberg)This is not what we like to see from our CEO. To be fair to Musk, he did tweet this back in 2020, when the stock was at $140 per share:Elon Musk Tweet (Quora)TSLA currently has a 1% earnings yield on what is likely an industry peak. It appears to us that Elon's getting out.With the proceeds, Musk is attempting to buy Twitter (TWTR) outright. Keep in mind that Musk is not only focusing his time and attention on this, but to SpaceX, which is arguably a more promising business. The space industry is projected to reach $1 trillion in revenue by 2040.A Fundamental Look At Tesla's GrowthTesla is going global and getting closer to its customer base, with new factories in Shanghai, China, as well as Berlin, Germany. You would think this move would expand Tesla's market share. But from 2020 to 2021, Tesla's global market share actually shrank from17%to just under14%.Competition is coming from everywhere. With a 14% market share, Tesla is more likely to lose share than to gain it. Companies like Honda (HMC) (OTCPK:HNDAF), BMW (OTCPK:BMWYY), Ford (F), GM (GM), Hyundai (OTCPK:HYMTF), Jaguar, Kia (OTCPK:KIMTF), Mazda (OTCPK:MZDAY) (OTCPK:MZDAF), Mercedes (OTCPK:DDAIF) (OTCPK:DMLRY), Mitsubishi, Nissan (OTCPK:NSANY) (OTCPK:NSANF), Stellantis (STLA), Subaru (OTCPK:FUJHY) (OTCPK:FUJHF), Toyota (TM) (OTCPK:TOYOF), Volkswagen (OTCPK:VWAGY) (OTCPK:VLKAF) (OTCPK:VWAPY), and Volvo (OTCPK:VOLAF) (OTCPK:VLVLY) (OTCPK:VOLVF) are all adding EVs to their lineups. Many of these companies have strong and entrenched brands and are partnering with EV titans like BYD (OTCPK:BYDDF). On top of that, they're producing EVs that are more affordable for the average consumer.Global EV Market Share (Statista)Tesla's margins could also decrease. A cooler economy, increased competition, and used EVs coming online means the price of buying an EV could actually fall over time. Tesla's benefited from government credits, but these credits could dissipate now that EV companies like Tesla are profitable and highly valued.To understand where Tesla is going, we need to understand where the industry is going. The number of electric vehicles sold globally is projected to grow at 17.5% per annum through to 2030. Tesla's energy business has grown revenue at21% per annum over the past 3 years.95% of Tesla's revenue still comes from the automotive arm:Tesla's Revenue Breakdown (2021 Annual Report)Given the market share, margins, and industry risks, we estimate Tesla will simply match the growth of global EV sales, growing 17.5% per annum. The energy business should continue to grow and become profitable, which will partially make up for the issues cited above.The ValuationOur 2032 price target for TSLA is $683 per share, indicating a return of 0% per annum, with no dividends.Tesla has earnings of $7.78 per share, giving it a PE of nearly 100. If Tesla's EPS should grow at 17.5% per annum, we get 2032 earnings of $39 per share. While the typical car company trades at just 10x normalized earnings, Tesla continues to benefit from the transition to EVs, and should have a more prominent footprint in clean energy generation and storage in 2032. We've applied a terminal multiple of 17.5x earnings, which is a 75% premium to the average car company. Remember, the auto business is cyclical, competitive, and prone to bankruptcy. It's difficult to justify a higher multiple unless our risks to the thesis play out.Risks To The ThesisTesla's future is very up in the air. Elon Musk has all sorts of stories for investors revolving around autonomous drive, robotics, ride-sharing, and artificial intelligence. However, we do not yet have substantial revenues from Musk's many grand ideas. When those revenues do materialize, the businesses are likely to be loss-making, much like TSLA's energy business thus far. Competition will be strong in these fields. Autonomous drive, for instance, has attracted competition from Microsoft (MSFT), Alphabet (GOOG) (GOOGL), Uber (UBER), General Motors, Nvidia (NVDA), Baidu (BIDU), Ford, Aptiv (APTV), and Luminar Technologies (LAZR).Tesla Bot (Wired)If Elon Musk's focus doesn't stray too much, the company could win in one or more of these fields, which would be a boon for long-term profits and Tesla's terminal multiple.For more on the Tesla bull thesis, readers can review claims by Cathie Wood, who says the stock will quintuple in a few years.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":312,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":9071526765,"gmtCreate":1657570188357,"gmtModify":1676536025272,"author":{"id":"4093697688955580","authorId":"4093697688955580","authorIdStr":"4093697688955580","name":"Wildhorseusa","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"4093697688955580"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"If you are fore sure it's going&nbsp; to pop, then you can just short this stock to make money. 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With a 1% earnings ","content":"<html><head></head><body><p><b>Summary</b></p><ul><li>As the market crumbles around it, the enthusiasm for Tesla is unwavering. With a 1% earnings yield, Tesla is the last bubble standing.</li><li>Elon Musk’s diverted focus is not good news for AI and autonomous drive. He’s been selling stock hand-over-fist.</li><li>In the next recession, Tesla&#39;s earnings will likely decline, and the bubble will go &#34;pop.&#34; We&#39;ll dig into why we see a lost decade ahead for TSLA.</li></ul><p><b>The Thesis</b></p><p>Tesla (NASDAQ:TSLA) has captured the minds of investors the world over. The company has become more of a gambling machine than an investment; in 2021, TSLA was the most traded stock among retail investors.</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/1e3d4b7cda76da9b0147473895a518c9\" tg-width=\"1040\" tg-height=\"1088\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Most Traded Stocks (Degiro)</p><p>So why is Tesla not crumbling entirely in the face of this bear market? Well, autos are still riding an all-time hot wave of sales, and investors aren&#39;t pricing in the cyclicality of earnings. In a deep recession, Tesla&#39;s earnings can and likely will decline, along with all other automakers. At which time, the air will come out of Tesla&#39;s stock.</p><p><b>Autos vs. Recession</b></p><p>Recessions get nasty for auto manufacturers. History has shown that it doesn&#39;t matter who you are, when big recessions hit, auto earnings not only decline but usually go negative in this capital-intensive industry. In 2009, auto manufacturers got absolutely crushed, reporting negative net income across the board:</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/178b4e4d53d206f47912083db8e6b7ea\" tg-width=\"635\" tg-height=\"450\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/>Data by YCharts</p><p>You may ask, &#34;What about the recession of 2020?&#34; Well, 2020 was unlike any recession in the past. The government sent out so many stimulus checks, that consumers&#39; bank accounts actually ballooned. Combined with the lowest interest rates in 5000 years, buying a $50,000 car became more affordable than ever.</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/8dea3cc478a3fb47133524908183cc64\" tg-width=\"786\" tg-height=\"565\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Cash Balances of American Consumers (RSM)</p><p><b>Disconnected Management</b></p><p>As the bubble booms on, Elon Musk has beensellingTesla shares hand-over-fist, with excuses like this:</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/3740aa3afe71aa226eca83a1d035e273\" tg-width=\"1200\" tg-height=\"546\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Elon Musk Tweet (Bloomberg)</p><p>This is not what we like to see from our CEO. To be fair to Musk, he did tweet this back in 2020, when the stock was at $140 per share:</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/7a940e22f55a558f3d8e8d882e91469a\" tg-width=\"602\" tg-height=\"334\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Elon Musk Tweet (Quora)</p><p>TSLA currently has a 1% earnings yield on what is likely an industry peak. It appears to us that Elon&#39;s getting out.</p><p>With the proceeds, Musk is attempting to buy Twitter (TWTR) outright. Keep in mind that Musk is not only focusing his time and attention on this, but to SpaceX, which is arguably a more promising business. The space industry is projected to reach $1 trillion in revenue by 2040.</p><p><b>A Fundamental Look At Tesla&#39;s Growth</b></p><p>Tesla is going global and getting closer to its customer base, with new factories in Shanghai, China, as well as Berlin, Germany. You would think this move would expand Tesla&#39;s market share. But from 2020 to 2021, Tesla&#39;s global market share actually shrank from17%to just under14%.</p><p>Competition is coming from everywhere. With a 14% market share, Tesla is more likely to lose share than to gain it. Companies like Honda (HMC) (OTCPK:HNDAF), BMW (OTCPK:BMWYY), Ford (F), GM (GM), Hyundai (OTCPK:HYMTF), Jaguar, Kia (OTCPK:KIMTF), Mazda (OTCPK:MZDAY) (OTCPK:MZDAF), Mercedes (OTCPK:DDAIF) (OTCPK:DMLRY), Mitsubishi, Nissan (OTCPK:NSANY) (OTCPK:NSANF), Stellantis (STLA), Subaru (OTCPK:FUJHY) (OTCPK:FUJHF), Toyota (TM) (OTCPK:TOYOF), Volkswagen (OTCPK:VWAGY) (OTCPK:VLKAF) (OTCPK:VWAPY), and Volvo (OTCPK:VOLAF) (OTCPK:VLVLY) (OTCPK:VOLVF) are all adding EVs to their lineups. Many of these companies have strong and entrenched brands and are partnering with EV titans like BYD (OTCPK:BYDDF). On top of that, they&#39;re producing EVs that are more affordable for the average consumer.</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/78163ed4a8e14f033b94ab5f7ab5ba04\" tg-width=\"664\" tg-height=\"701\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Global EV Market Share (Statista)</p><p>Tesla&#39;s margins could also decrease. A cooler economy, increased competition, and used EVs coming online means the price of buying an EV could actually fall over time. Tesla&#39;s benefited from government credits, but these credits could dissipate now that EV companies like Tesla are profitable and highly valued.</p><p>To understand where Tesla is going, we need to understand where the industry is going. The number of electric vehicles sold globally is projected to grow at 17.5% per annum through to 2030. Tesla&#39;s energy business has grown revenue at21% per annum over the past 3 years.</p><p>95% of Tesla&#39;s revenue still comes from the automotive arm:</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/27d7141d89fbc6299c4d310ef0e3a6d2\" tg-width=\"1268\" tg-height=\"344\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Tesla&#39;s Revenue Breakdown (2021 Annual Report)</p><p>Given the market share, margins, and industry risks, we estimate Tesla will simply match the growth of global EV sales, growing 17.5% per annum. The energy business should continue to grow and become profitable, which will partially make up for the issues cited above.</p><p><b>The Valuation</b></p><p>Our 2032 price target for TSLA is $683 per share, indicating a return of 0% per annum, with no dividends.</p><ul><li>Tesla has earnings of $7.78 per share, giving it a PE of nearly 100. If Tesla&#39;s EPS should grow at 17.5% per annum, we get 2032 earnings of $39 per share. While the typical car company trades at just 10x normalized earnings, Tesla continues to benefit from the transition to EVs, and should have a more prominent footprint in clean energy generation and storage in 2032. We&#39;ve applied a terminal multiple of 17.5x earnings, which is a 75% premium to the average car company. Remember, the auto business is cyclical, competitive, and prone to bankruptcy. It&#39;s difficult to justify a higher multiple unless our risks to the thesis play out.</li></ul><p><b>Risks To The Thesis</b></p><p>Tesla&#39;s future is very up in the air. Elon Musk has all sorts of stories for investors revolving around autonomous drive, robotics, ride-sharing, and artificial intelligence. However, we do not yet have substantial revenues from Musk&#39;s many grand ideas. When those revenues do materialize, the businesses are likely to be loss-making, much like TSLA&#39;s energy business thus far. Competition will be strong in these fields. Autonomous drive, for instance, has attracted competition from Microsoft (MSFT), Alphabet (GOOG) (GOOGL), Uber (UBER), General Motors, Nvidia (NVDA), Baidu (BIDU), Ford, Aptiv (APTV), and Luminar Technologies (LAZR).</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/ee253b2e571ef4520e73af17cb9e1ee6\" tg-width=\"1280\" tg-height=\"1280\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Tesla Bot (Wired)</p><p>If Elon Musk&#39;s focus doesn&#39;t stray too much, the company could win in one or more of these fields, which would be a boon for long-term profits and Tesla&#39;s terminal multiple.</p><p>For more on the Tesla bull thesis, readers can review claims by Cathie Wood, who says the stock will quintuple in a few years.</p></body></html>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Tesla: The Last Bubble Standing</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nTesla: The Last Bubble Standing\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2022-07-11 23:28 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://seekingalpha.com/article/4522405-tesla-stock-the-last-bubble-standing?source=content_type%3Aall%7Cfirst_level_url%3Aportfolio%7Csection%3Aportfolio_content_unit%7Csection_asset%3Alatest%7Cline%3A23><strong>Seeking Alpha</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>SummaryAs the market crumbles around it, the enthusiasm for Tesla is unwavering. With a 1% earnings yield, Tesla is the last bubble standing.Elon Musk’s diverted focus is not good news for AI and ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4522405-tesla-stock-the-last-bubble-standing?source=content_type%3Aall%7Cfirst_level_url%3Aportfolio%7Csection%3Aportfolio_content_unit%7Csection_asset%3Alatest%7Cline%3A23\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"TSLA":"特斯拉"},"source_url":"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4522405-tesla-stock-the-last-bubble-standing?source=content_type%3Aall%7Cfirst_level_url%3Aportfolio%7Csection%3Aportfolio_content_unit%7Csection_asset%3Alatest%7Cline%3A23","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1164092479","content_text":"SummaryAs the market crumbles around it, the enthusiasm for Tesla is unwavering. With a 1% earnings yield, Tesla is the last bubble standing.Elon Musk’s diverted focus is not good news for AI and autonomous drive. He’s been selling stock hand-over-fist.In the next recession, Tesla's earnings will likely decline, and the bubble will go \"pop.\" We'll dig into why we see a lost decade ahead for TSLA.The ThesisTesla (NASDAQ:TSLA) has captured the minds of investors the world over. The company has become more of a gambling machine than an investment; in 2021, TSLA was the most traded stock among retail investors.Most Traded Stocks (Degiro)So why is Tesla not crumbling entirely in the face of this bear market? Well, autos are still riding an all-time hot wave of sales, and investors aren't pricing in the cyclicality of earnings. In a deep recession, Tesla's earnings can and likely will decline, along with all other automakers. At which time, the air will come out of Tesla's stock.Autos vs. RecessionRecessions get nasty for auto manufacturers. History has shown that it doesn't matter who you are, when big recessions hit, auto earnings not only decline but usually go negative in this capital-intensive industry. In 2009, auto manufacturers got absolutely crushed, reporting negative net income across the board:Data by YChartsYou may ask, \"What about the recession of 2020?\" Well, 2020 was unlike any recession in the past. The government sent out so many stimulus checks, that consumers' bank accounts actually ballooned. Combined with the lowest interest rates in 5000 years, buying a $50,000 car became more affordable than ever.Cash Balances of American Consumers (RSM)Disconnected ManagementAs the bubble booms on, Elon Musk has beensellingTesla shares hand-over-fist, with excuses like this:Elon Musk Tweet (Bloomberg)This is not what we like to see from our CEO. To be fair to Musk, he did tweet this back in 2020, when the stock was at $140 per share:Elon Musk Tweet (Quora)TSLA currently has a 1% earnings yield on what is likely an industry peak. It appears to us that Elon's getting out.With the proceeds, Musk is attempting to buy Twitter (TWTR) outright. Keep in mind that Musk is not only focusing his time and attention on this, but to SpaceX, which is arguably a more promising business. The space industry is projected to reach $1 trillion in revenue by 2040.A Fundamental Look At Tesla's GrowthTesla is going global and getting closer to its customer base, with new factories in Shanghai, China, as well as Berlin, Germany. You would think this move would expand Tesla's market share. But from 2020 to 2021, Tesla's global market share actually shrank from17%to just under14%.Competition is coming from everywhere. With a 14% market share, Tesla is more likely to lose share than to gain it. Companies like Honda (HMC) (OTCPK:HNDAF), BMW (OTCPK:BMWYY), Ford (F), GM (GM), Hyundai (OTCPK:HYMTF), Jaguar, Kia (OTCPK:KIMTF), Mazda (OTCPK:MZDAY) (OTCPK:MZDAF), Mercedes (OTCPK:DDAIF) (OTCPK:DMLRY), Mitsubishi, Nissan (OTCPK:NSANY) (OTCPK:NSANF), Stellantis (STLA), Subaru (OTCPK:FUJHY) (OTCPK:FUJHF), Toyota (TM) (OTCPK:TOYOF), Volkswagen (OTCPK:VWAGY) (OTCPK:VLKAF) (OTCPK:VWAPY), and Volvo (OTCPK:VOLAF) (OTCPK:VLVLY) (OTCPK:VOLVF) are all adding EVs to their lineups. Many of these companies have strong and entrenched brands and are partnering with EV titans like BYD (OTCPK:BYDDF). On top of that, they're producing EVs that are more affordable for the average consumer.Global EV Market Share (Statista)Tesla's margins could also decrease. A cooler economy, increased competition, and used EVs coming online means the price of buying an EV could actually fall over time. Tesla's benefited from government credits, but these credits could dissipate now that EV companies like Tesla are profitable and highly valued.To understand where Tesla is going, we need to understand where the industry is going. The number of electric vehicles sold globally is projected to grow at 17.5% per annum through to 2030. Tesla's energy business has grown revenue at21% per annum over the past 3 years.95% of Tesla's revenue still comes from the automotive arm:Tesla's Revenue Breakdown (2021 Annual Report)Given the market share, margins, and industry risks, we estimate Tesla will simply match the growth of global EV sales, growing 17.5% per annum. The energy business should continue to grow and become profitable, which will partially make up for the issues cited above.The ValuationOur 2032 price target for TSLA is $683 per share, indicating a return of 0% per annum, with no dividends.Tesla has earnings of $7.78 per share, giving it a PE of nearly 100. If Tesla's EPS should grow at 17.5% per annum, we get 2032 earnings of $39 per share. While the typical car company trades at just 10x normalized earnings, Tesla continues to benefit from the transition to EVs, and should have a more prominent footprint in clean energy generation and storage in 2032. We've applied a terminal multiple of 17.5x earnings, which is a 75% premium to the average car company. Remember, the auto business is cyclical, competitive, and prone to bankruptcy. It's difficult to justify a higher multiple unless our risks to the thesis play out.Risks To The ThesisTesla's future is very up in the air. Elon Musk has all sorts of stories for investors revolving around autonomous drive, robotics, ride-sharing, and artificial intelligence. However, we do not yet have substantial revenues from Musk's many grand ideas. When those revenues do materialize, the businesses are likely to be loss-making, much like TSLA's energy business thus far. Competition will be strong in these fields. Autonomous drive, for instance, has attracted competition from Microsoft (MSFT), Alphabet (GOOG) (GOOGL), Uber (UBER), General Motors, Nvidia (NVDA), Baidu (BIDU), Ford, Aptiv (APTV), and Luminar Technologies (LAZR).Tesla Bot (Wired)If Elon Musk's focus doesn't stray too much, the company could win in one or more of these fields, which would be a boon for long-term profits and Tesla's terminal multiple.For more on the Tesla bull thesis, readers can review claims by Cathie Wood, who says the stock will quintuple in a few years.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":325,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0}],"hots":[{"id":310961269612720,"gmtCreate":1716923934994,"gmtModify":1716923938852,"author":{"id":"4093697688955580","authorId":"4093697688955580","authorIdStr":"4093697688955580","name":"Wildhorseusa","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"4093697688955580"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"<a href=\"https://ttm.financial/S/CRKN\">$Crown Electrokinetics Corp.(CRKN)$ </a> is this going to be delisted?","listText":"<a href=\"https://ttm.financial/S/CRKN\">$Crown Electrokinetics Corp.(CRKN)$ </a> is this going to be delisted?","text":"$Crown Electrokinetics Corp.(CRKN)$ is this going to be delisted?","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":4,"commentSize":4,"repostSize":9,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/310961269612720","isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":1192,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[{"author":{"id":"4179277249732082","authorId":"4179277249732082","authorIdStr":"4179277249732082","name":"seb240sx","avatar":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"idStr":"4179277249732082"},"content":"no , may be reverse split if necessary but no delisting for sure","text":"no , may be reverse split if necessary but no delisting for sure","html":"no , may be reverse split if necessary but no delisting for sure"}],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":9957899522,"gmtCreate":1677138543366,"gmtModify":1677138546538,"author":{"id":"4093697688955580","authorId":"4093697688955580","authorIdStr":"4093697688955580","name":"Wildhorseusa","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"4093697688955580"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"Don't agree at all. Just look at how many people want to buy a tesla.","listText":"Don't agree at all. Just look at how many people want to buy a tesla.","text":"Don't agree at all. Just look at how many people want to buy a tesla.","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":11,"commentSize":1,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/9957899522","repostId":"2313059413","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"2313059413","pubTimestamp":1677226034,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/2313059413?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2023-02-24 16:07","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Tesla: Automaker Or Tech Company? My Take And My Investing Choice","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2313059413","media":"Seeking Alpha","summary":"SummaryThe big dilemma about Tesla, Inc. lies in the answer to a question: is Tesla an automaker or ","content":"<html><head></head><body><h2>Summary</h2><ul><li>The big dilemma about Tesla, Inc. lies in the answer to a question: is Tesla an automaker or a tech company?</li><li>In this article, I would like to share how I have come to find the answer.</li><li>I will share my investing choice, talking about Tesla&#39;s current valuation and potential investing alternatives.</li></ul><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/43d9444e059df9e26126c6a2ea34e297\" tg-width=\"1080\" tg-height=\"720\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/><span>coffeekai</span></p><h2>Introduction</h2><p>Tesla, Inc. (NASDAQ:TSLA) is one of those stocks - and companies - very difficult to write about without being caught in the fight between fans and haters. This is why, though quite interested in the automotive industry, I have been hesitant to writeabout it. In truth, there has been a lot of buzz about electric vehicles (&#34;EVs&#34;), and I think it hard to deny Tesla was a stock that experienced a lot of hype, leading to extreme valuations. This has made me cautious about it, as I know buzz and hype can be exciting but can lead to rash investing decisions.</p><p>To be clear from the beginning of this article, I am no Tesla detractor. However, I am no Tesla investor, either. I do think Tesla is a great company, whose future is probably going to be quite bright. On the other hand, thereare a few things about the stock that rule it out of my portfolio where I actually own three other automakers.</p><p>In this article, I will share for the first time my view on Tesla, hoping to present my thesis as objectively as possible. At the same time, I would like to show why I am currently building up a position in what seems to me an underestimated competitor of Tesla.</p><h2>The big question about Tesla</h2><p>The first question I had to find an answer to assess Tesla was the following: what kind of company do I think Tesla is?</p><p>We generally find two answers that revolve around these two concepts:</p><ol><li>Tesla is a tech company</li><li>Tesla is an automaker.</li></ol><p>I know things can be more complex, but as far as my research goes I really think this is the crossroad where two different investing views and strategies diverge.</p><p>I find myself agreeing with the second answer: Tesla is an automaker. This is somewhat supported by what the company states in its 10-k.</p><blockquote>We design, develop, manufacture, sell and lease high-performance fully electric vehicles and energy generation and storage systems, and offer services related to our products. We generally sell our products directly to customers, and continue to grow our customer-facing infrastructure through a global network of vehicle service centers, Mobile Service, body shops, Supercharger stations and Destination Chargers to accelerate the widespread adoption of our products. We emphasize performance, attractive styling and the safety of our users and workforce in the design and manufacture of our products and are continuing to develop full self-driving technology for improved safety. We also strive to lower the cost of ownership for our customers through continuous efforts to reduce manufacturing costs and by offering financial and other services tailored to our products.</blockquote><p>To be fair, these words are not only about electric vehicles manufacturing, as Tesla also claims to be focusing on energy generation and storage systems as well as on developing full self-driving technology (&#34;FSD&#34;). However, I see these other activities as necessarily linked to the manufacturing one. Tesla is indeed disruptive, and it has been a true pioneer, but I see it as the one company that redesigns what all other automakers will need to become to survive and thrive.</p><p>Why do I think it important to answer this question? Simply put, it tells us what industry we think Tesla is a part of. This is quite important when we do a valuation of Tesla, as we need to look at the multiples of the industry.</p><p>Tesla&#39;s financials support this view, too. In fact, if we look at the income statement streams chart, we clearly see how auto sales have the lion&#39;s share of total revenues, with $67.2 billion out of the total $81.5 billion (82.5%). If we consider the auto segment as a whole, including leasing and regulatory credits, Tesla earns 87.7% of its total revenues through activities linked to electric vehicles.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/27e4e531b8126431a0d311e3260e386c\" tg-width=\"1280\" tg-height=\"800\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/><span>created by incomestatementguy on reddit.it</span></p><p>In addition, it seems like Elon Musk himself thinks about Tesla as a &#34;volume carmaker&#34; in the &#34;automotive market,&#34; words he used during the last earnings call.</p><h2>Tesla&#39;s financials</h2><p>It is hard not to like Tesla&#39;s financials, especially if we look at their unfolding through the past decade. We have a CAGR revenue growth of almost 45%, while gross profit grew at a CAGR of 46.5% and EBITDA saw a stunning 81.6% CAGR from 2013 to the end of 2022.</p><p>In recent years, the company has turned profitable, and since 2020 its net income has moved up from $721 million to $12.56 billion, which is a CAGR of 317.31%. This is what happens when a company finally reaches scale.</p><p>Its balance sheet is strong, with just $1 billion of long-term debt and more than $22 billion in cash and short-term investments.</p><p>Free cash flow (&#34;FCF&#34;) is also strong, with $4.2 billion generated at the end of 2022 vs. the -$32.5 million reported at the end of 2013. The only flaw is that Tesla paid $1.56 billion in stock-based compensation (&#34;SBC&#34;), which actually makes the real free cash flow available to investors just $1 billion. In fact, as of now SBC is added to net income to calculate the final FCF, but, in reality, it is an expense that should be moved down to financing activities and be accounted for as an expense. Therefore, we have to subtract the amount spent on SBC twice to offset the current accounting rule that sees it as an addition, and then to subtract the real expense from the previous amount.</p><p>However, on a positive note, Tesla seems to be reducing its SBC, since in 2021 it paid over $2.1 billion for this. But, still, the dilutive effect is sensible.</p><p>In terms of profitability, the company is best in class. Here I would like to show one of my favorite graphs Tesla shares with investors. We see that, while the average selling price (ASP) moves down and then stabilizes around $55,000, the operating margin goes steadily up, coming in at 17%.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/6750ec65a212dc9254efea6c82c89a41\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"263\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/><span>Tesla Q4 2022 Shareholder Deck</span></p><p>This is another way to prove how it was vital for Tesla to reach scale, as it has done in recent years. Now, every dollar of additional revenue is more valuable because of increasingly good operating efficiency.</p><p>Tesla reported 1.31 million cars sold in 2022 and expects to sell 1.8 million vehicles by the end of this fiscal year. Its plan was bold, targeting a 50% CAGR from 2020 to 2023. It is rather easy to think Tesla seems able to reach this goal.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/c79730c77c37c3638501639b6d53d9ab\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"261\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/><span>Tesla Q4 2022 Shareholder Deck</span></p><p>So, if everything is so bright, why am I not investing in Tesla?</p><h2>Why I am not a Tesla shareholder</h2><p>I have some perplexities about Tesla&#39;s expectations for the future, which inevitably impact my view of its valuation.</p><p>Before we move on, let me state once again that I am no Tesla bear, nor do I think the stock should be shorted, even though it may have indeed reached a recent peak. However, this is not my investing style, since I look for companies to hold for a decade or two.</p><p>Let me share what I am thinking about Tesla&#39;s upcoming years.</p><p>The first thing I wonder about is linked to what automotive segment the company wants to address. We saw how Mr. Musk considers Tesla a volume carmaker. But we don&#39;t know exactly what kind of volume carmaker Tesla wants to be. Does it aim at being an 8 million one, like Volkswagen (OTCPK:VWAGY), General Motors (GM) or Toyota (TM)? Does it aim at selling between 2 and 3 million vehicles per year, like Mercedes (OTCPK:MBGAF) or BMW (OTCPK:BMWYY) do? The answer to this question is quite important for a forecast.</p><p>Currently, Tesla manufactures four vehicles: the Model 3, Y, S and X. While Model 3 and Model Y have a base price for mass-market appeal, the other two don&#39;t. Still, both Model 3 and Model Y have a starting selling price between $40,000 and $60,000, which is not exactly the price range to address all consumers. The other two models have a starting selling price around $100,000.</p><p>Tesla has written more than once that it is committed to making its manufacturing process more efficient to bring down the average selling price. However, there are other automakers that are able to sell electric vehicles at more affordable prices. Tesla may start manufacturing subcompact vehicles, but this would benefit mostly volumes over margins, as that segment is highly competitive and many automakers are already or will soon be producing electric cars for this market.</p><p>The other option is that Tesla turns into a premium volume automaker. This will make it compete with brands such as Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Lexus and others. While this is a higher margin segment, volumes are a bit lower, with Mercedes and BMW selling about 2 million vehicles per year. Tesla may do a bit more, but I don&#39;t see it grabbing away from brands with such a strength all their market share.</p><p>In fact, Mercedes&#39; electric car portfolio seems to be already richer than Tesla&#39;s.</p><p>In other words, I have a hard time thinking Tesla will be able to grow significantly among premium brands without finding hard competition with well-established and highly-appreciated brands.</p><p>On the other hand, Tesla has the advantage in that it doesn&#39;t have to cannibalize its old models, while all other OEMs do. However, while we are seeing the same thing happening with Netflix (NFLX) and its other streaming competitors, where the latter have to cannibalize their profitable cable business to build up their own streaming platform, in the case of automakers, the shift toward EVs is actually generating higher profitability.</p><h2>My take: The issue with Tesla&#39;s valuation and what already I own instead of it</h2><p>It may not sound that original saying that what keeps me from investing in Tesla is its sky-high valuation. But let&#39;s recall that oftentimes the easiest and most renowned investing principles are forgotten when buzz and hype take place. For sure, Tesla is exciting and this is why we should double down and caution.</p><p>On my side, I don&#39;t immediately run away from a stock because I see a high P/E or a high P/FCF multiple. For example, staying within the automotive industry, I own Ferrari (RACE). I would never compare Ferrari to Tesla. They are too different. But it is just an example to show how I am willing to pay a higher price when I think it is worth it.</p><p>However, the big difference I see between Ferrari and Tesla is that Ferrari&#39;s future results are much more predictable than Tesla&#39;s. Still, a jewel like Ferrari trades a lower multiples compared to Tesla: Ferrari trades at a 39 fwd P/E vs. Tesla&#39;s 58, its fwd EV/EBITDA is 21.4 vs. Tesla&#39;s 31, its P/FCF is 37.3 vs. Tesla&#39;s 44.8. And this happens while Ferrari&#39;s profitability metrics are better than Tesla&#39;s: 24% EBIT margin vs. 16.8%; net income margin at 18.4% for Ferrari while for Tesla it is at 15.4%, return on equity of 40.6% for Ferrari and at 32.5% for Tesla.</p><p>Coming down to a more realistic comparison, so that we don&#39;t risk to mix apples with oranges, let&#39;s look at Mercedes and compare it to Tesla (in bold is the better result between the two):</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/419bc889efd58b6e8e2d7b158e5d56b1\" tg-width=\"407\" tg-height=\"332\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Tesla is the winner, but Mercedes is not very far behind, especially as we move down the income statement. Now, let&#39;s see how the market prices Tesla&#39;s leading position compared to Mercedes:</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/8e9e9e951f1e5f0e7649a9c1478da748\" tg-width=\"378\" tg-height=\"263\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>To me, the difference is too wide, especially if we consider Mercedes&#39; high-quality strategy that is effectively managing to increase the company&#39;s profitability.</p><p>This is why I actually own Mercedes as my favorite pick among premium luxury automakers.</p><p>My third pick - even though, as I have tried to explain, I think we are once again at risk of comparing chalk and cheese - is Stellantis N.V. (STLA). If we look at automakers that produce affordable vehicles truly addressed to customers without deep pockets, then I think the Stellantis bull case almost speaks for itself as soon as we look at its financials and at its multiples. We are talking about a double-digit margin automaker, with incredibly skilled management, lots of tailwinds going for it (i.e., synergies), low geopolitical risk, etc. trading at unreasonable multiples of a 3 fwd P/E, a 1.2 fwd (EV/EBITDA) and a 2.3 P/FCF. I am not kidding. The company trades as if it were to go bankrupt tomorrow, while it is swimming in cash.</p><p>Let me share my discounted cash flow (&#34;DCF&#34;) model on Tesla, just to check if my thesis may be supported by future cash flow. Even projecting a 5 year free cash flow (&#34;FCF&#34;) growth rate of 45% and then assuming a 9% perpetual growth rate (very generous assumptions), I still find TSLA stock should not trade over $150.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/c07f13a52a88af371a1b262a496e9e32\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"205\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/><span>Author, with data from SA and own future forecast</span></p><p>As I said, it is not my investing style to short a stock or make short-term trades. I am in for the long term. But I think Tesla, Inc.&#39;s stock got a bit ahead of itself, especially given the fact that it has reached such volumes that will make it harder for the company to keep on growing at the fast pace investors are expecting. Many investors have for sure gained a lot of money with Tesla stock, while many other have lost a ton of it. As for me, I keep on studying Tesla, Inc. as an investor interested in the industry, but I don&#39;t see TSLA stock as appealing as other opportunities. This is why I rate Tesla, Inc. as a hold.</p><p><i>This article is written by Luca Socci for reference only. Please note the risks.</i></p></body></html>","source":"seekingalpha_fund","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Tesla: Automaker Or Tech Company? 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My Take And My Investing Choice\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2023-02-24 16:07 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://seekingalpha.com/article/4580350-tesla-automaker-or-tech-company-my-take-and-my-investing-choice><strong>Seeking Alpha</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>SummaryThe big dilemma about Tesla, Inc. lies in the answer to a question: is Tesla an automaker or a tech company?In this article, I would like to share how I have come to find the answer.I will ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4580350-tesla-automaker-or-tech-company-my-take-and-my-investing-choice\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"BK4588":"碎股","BK4550":"红杉资本持仓","LU2249611893.SGD":"BNP PARIBAS ENERGY TRANSITION \"CRH\" (SGD) ACC","IE00BSNM7G36.USD":"NEUBERGER BERMAN SYSTEMATIC GLOBAL SUSTAINABLE VALUE \"A\" (USD) ACC","LU0820561909.HKD":"ALLIANZ INCOME AND GROWTH \"AM\" (HKD) INC","LU0234572021.USD":"高盛美国核心股票组合Acc","BK4551":"寇图资本持仓","BK4574":"无人驾驶","TSLA":"特斯拉","LU2063271972.USD":"富兰克林创新领域基金","BK4581":"高盛持仓","IE00BWXC8680.SGD":"PINEBRIDGE US LARGE CAP RESEARCH ENHANCED \"A5\" (SGD) ACC","LU0823414478.USD":"法巴经典能源转换基金","LU0097036916.USD":"贝莱德美国增长A2 USD","BK4099":"汽车制造商","BK4511":"特斯拉概念","LU0689472784.USD":"安联收益及增长基金Cl AM AT Acc","LU2087621335.USD":"ALLSPRING GLOBAL FACTOR ENHANCED EQUITY \"A\" (USD) ACC","BK4548":"巴美列捷福持仓","LU1852331112.SGD":"Blackrock World Technology Fund A2 SGD-H","LU1720051017.SGD":"Allianz Global Artificial Intelligence AT Acc H2-SGD","LU0056508442.USD":"贝莱德世界科技基金A2","LU1861215975.USD":"贝莱德新一代科技基金 A2","LU0198837287.USD":"UBS (LUX) EQUITY SICAV - USA GROWTH \"P\" (USD) ACC","LU0316494557.USD":"FRANKLIN GLOBAL FUNDAMENTAL STRATEGIES \"A\" ACC","LU1548497426.USD":"安联环球人工智能AT Acc","LU0820561818.USD":"安联收益及增长平衡基金Cl AM DIS","LU1861220033.SGD":"Blackrock Next Generation Technology A2 SGD-H","LU1861558580.USD":"日兴方舟颠覆性创新基金B","LU1551013425.SGD":"Allianz Income and Growth Cl AMg2 DIS H2-SGD","IE00B1XK9C88.USD":"PINEBRIDGE US LARGE CAP RESEARCH ENHANCED \"A\" (USD) ACC","LU0348723411.USD":"ALLIANZ GLOBAL HI-TECH GROWTH \"A\" (USD) INC","BK4585":"ETF&股票定投概念","LU0943347566.SGD":"安联收益及增长平衡基金AM H2-SGD","LU1720051108.HKD":"ALLIANZ GLOBAL ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE \"AT\" (HKD) ACC","BK4534":"瑞士信贷持仓","BK4555":"新能源车","LU2357305700.SGD":"Allianz Global Artificial Intelligence ET H2-SGD","LU0234570918.USD":"高盛全球核心股票组合Acc Close","BK4533":"AQR资本管理(全球第二大对冲基金)","LU1861559042.SGD":"日兴方舟颠覆性创新基金B SGD","LU1839511570.USD":"WELLS FARGO GLOBAL FACTOR ENHANCED EQUITY \"I\" (USD) ACC","LU0053666078.USD":"摩根大通基金-美国股票A（离岸）美元","LU0823411888.USD":"法巴消费创新基金 Cap","LU0082616367.USD":"摩根大通美国科技A（dist）","LU1551013342.USD":"Allianz Income and Growth Cl AMg2 DIS USD","BK4527":"明星科技股","LU0719512351.SGD":"JPMorgan Funds - US Technology A (acc) SGD"},"source_url":"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4580350-tesla-automaker-or-tech-company-my-take-and-my-investing-choice","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"2313059413","content_text":"SummaryThe big dilemma about Tesla, Inc. lies in the answer to a question: is Tesla an automaker or a tech company?In this article, I would like to share how I have come to find the answer.I will share my investing choice, talking about Tesla's current valuation and potential investing alternatives.coffeekaiIntroductionTesla, Inc. (NASDAQ:TSLA) is one of those stocks - and companies - very difficult to write about without being caught in the fight between fans and haters. This is why, though quite interested in the automotive industry, I have been hesitant to writeabout it. In truth, there has been a lot of buzz about electric vehicles (\"EVs\"), and I think it hard to deny Tesla was a stock that experienced a lot of hype, leading to extreme valuations. This has made me cautious about it, as I know buzz and hype can be exciting but can lead to rash investing decisions.To be clear from the beginning of this article, I am no Tesla detractor. However, I am no Tesla investor, either. I do think Tesla is a great company, whose future is probably going to be quite bright. On the other hand, thereare a few things about the stock that rule it out of my portfolio where I actually own three other automakers.In this article, I will share for the first time my view on Tesla, hoping to present my thesis as objectively as possible. At the same time, I would like to show why I am currently building up a position in what seems to me an underestimated competitor of Tesla.The big question about TeslaThe first question I had to find an answer to assess Tesla was the following: what kind of company do I think Tesla is?We generally find two answers that revolve around these two concepts:Tesla is a tech companyTesla is an automaker.I know things can be more complex, but as far as my research goes I really think this is the crossroad where two different investing views and strategies diverge.I find myself agreeing with the second answer: Tesla is an automaker. This is somewhat supported by what the company states in its 10-k.We design, develop, manufacture, sell and lease high-performance fully electric vehicles and energy generation and storage systems, and offer services related to our products. We generally sell our products directly to customers, and continue to grow our customer-facing infrastructure through a global network of vehicle service centers, Mobile Service, body shops, Supercharger stations and Destination Chargers to accelerate the widespread adoption of our products. We emphasize performance, attractive styling and the safety of our users and workforce in the design and manufacture of our products and are continuing to develop full self-driving technology for improved safety. We also strive to lower the cost of ownership for our customers through continuous efforts to reduce manufacturing costs and by offering financial and other services tailored to our products.To be fair, these words are not only about electric vehicles manufacturing, as Tesla also claims to be focusing on energy generation and storage systems as well as on developing full self-driving technology (\"FSD\"). However, I see these other activities as necessarily linked to the manufacturing one. Tesla is indeed disruptive, and it has been a true pioneer, but I see it as the one company that redesigns what all other automakers will need to become to survive and thrive.Why do I think it important to answer this question? Simply put, it tells us what industry we think Tesla is a part of. This is quite important when we do a valuation of Tesla, as we need to look at the multiples of the industry.Tesla's financials support this view, too. In fact, if we look at the income statement streams chart, we clearly see how auto sales have the lion's share of total revenues, with $67.2 billion out of the total $81.5 billion (82.5%). If we consider the auto segment as a whole, including leasing and regulatory credits, Tesla earns 87.7% of its total revenues through activities linked to electric vehicles.created by incomestatementguy on reddit.itIn addition, it seems like Elon Musk himself thinks about Tesla as a \"volume carmaker\" in the \"automotive market,\" words he used during the last earnings call.Tesla's financialsIt is hard not to like Tesla's financials, especially if we look at their unfolding through the past decade. We have a CAGR revenue growth of almost 45%, while gross profit grew at a CAGR of 46.5% and EBITDA saw a stunning 81.6% CAGR from 2013 to the end of 2022.In recent years, the company has turned profitable, and since 2020 its net income has moved up from $721 million to $12.56 billion, which is a CAGR of 317.31%. This is what happens when a company finally reaches scale.Its balance sheet is strong, with just $1 billion of long-term debt and more than $22 billion in cash and short-term investments.Free cash flow (\"FCF\") is also strong, with $4.2 billion generated at the end of 2022 vs. the -$32.5 million reported at the end of 2013. The only flaw is that Tesla paid $1.56 billion in stock-based compensation (\"SBC\"), which actually makes the real free cash flow available to investors just $1 billion. In fact, as of now SBC is added to net income to calculate the final FCF, but, in reality, it is an expense that should be moved down to financing activities and be accounted for as an expense. Therefore, we have to subtract the amount spent on SBC twice to offset the current accounting rule that sees it as an addition, and then to subtract the real expense from the previous amount.However, on a positive note, Tesla seems to be reducing its SBC, since in 2021 it paid over $2.1 billion for this. But, still, the dilutive effect is sensible.In terms of profitability, the company is best in class. Here I would like to show one of my favorite graphs Tesla shares with investors. We see that, while the average selling price (ASP) moves down and then stabilizes around $55,000, the operating margin goes steadily up, coming in at 17%.Tesla Q4 2022 Shareholder DeckThis is another way to prove how it was vital for Tesla to reach scale, as it has done in recent years. Now, every dollar of additional revenue is more valuable because of increasingly good operating efficiency.Tesla reported 1.31 million cars sold in 2022 and expects to sell 1.8 million vehicles by the end of this fiscal year. Its plan was bold, targeting a 50% CAGR from 2020 to 2023. It is rather easy to think Tesla seems able to reach this goal.Tesla Q4 2022 Shareholder DeckSo, if everything is so bright, why am I not investing in Tesla?Why I am not a Tesla shareholderI have some perplexities about Tesla's expectations for the future, which inevitably impact my view of its valuation.Before we move on, let me state once again that I am no Tesla bear, nor do I think the stock should be shorted, even though it may have indeed reached a recent peak. However, this is not my investing style, since I look for companies to hold for a decade or two.Let me share what I am thinking about Tesla's upcoming years.The first thing I wonder about is linked to what automotive segment the company wants to address. We saw how Mr. Musk considers Tesla a volume carmaker. But we don't know exactly what kind of volume carmaker Tesla wants to be. Does it aim at being an 8 million one, like Volkswagen (OTCPK:VWAGY), General Motors (GM) or Toyota (TM)? Does it aim at selling between 2 and 3 million vehicles per year, like Mercedes (OTCPK:MBGAF) or BMW (OTCPK:BMWYY) do? The answer to this question is quite important for a forecast.Currently, Tesla manufactures four vehicles: the Model 3, Y, S and X. While Model 3 and Model Y have a base price for mass-market appeal, the other two don't. Still, both Model 3 and Model Y have a starting selling price between $40,000 and $60,000, which is not exactly the price range to address all consumers. The other two models have a starting selling price around $100,000.Tesla has written more than once that it is committed to making its manufacturing process more efficient to bring down the average selling price. However, there are other automakers that are able to sell electric vehicles at more affordable prices. Tesla may start manufacturing subcompact vehicles, but this would benefit mostly volumes over margins, as that segment is highly competitive and many automakers are already or will soon be producing electric cars for this market.The other option is that Tesla turns into a premium volume automaker. This will make it compete with brands such as Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Lexus and others. While this is a higher margin segment, volumes are a bit lower, with Mercedes and BMW selling about 2 million vehicles per year. Tesla may do a bit more, but I don't see it grabbing away from brands with such a strength all their market share.In fact, Mercedes' electric car portfolio seems to be already richer than Tesla's.In other words, I have a hard time thinking Tesla will be able to grow significantly among premium brands without finding hard competition with well-established and highly-appreciated brands.On the other hand, Tesla has the advantage in that it doesn't have to cannibalize its old models, while all other OEMs do. However, while we are seeing the same thing happening with Netflix (NFLX) and its other streaming competitors, where the latter have to cannibalize their profitable cable business to build up their own streaming platform, in the case of automakers, the shift toward EVs is actually generating higher profitability.My take: The issue with Tesla's valuation and what already I own instead of itIt may not sound that original saying that what keeps me from investing in Tesla is its sky-high valuation. But let's recall that oftentimes the easiest and most renowned investing principles are forgotten when buzz and hype take place. For sure, Tesla is exciting and this is why we should double down and caution.On my side, I don't immediately run away from a stock because I see a high P/E or a high P/FCF multiple. For example, staying within the automotive industry, I own Ferrari (RACE). I would never compare Ferrari to Tesla. They are too different. But it is just an example to show how I am willing to pay a higher price when I think it is worth it.However, the big difference I see between Ferrari and Tesla is that Ferrari's future results are much more predictable than Tesla's. Still, a jewel like Ferrari trades a lower multiples compared to Tesla: Ferrari trades at a 39 fwd P/E vs. Tesla's 58, its fwd EV/EBITDA is 21.4 vs. Tesla's 31, its P/FCF is 37.3 vs. Tesla's 44.8. And this happens while Ferrari's profitability metrics are better than Tesla's: 24% EBIT margin vs. 16.8%; net income margin at 18.4% for Ferrari while for Tesla it is at 15.4%, return on equity of 40.6% for Ferrari and at 32.5% for Tesla.Coming down to a more realistic comparison, so that we don't risk to mix apples with oranges, let's look at Mercedes and compare it to Tesla (in bold is the better result between the two):Tesla is the winner, but Mercedes is not very far behind, especially as we move down the income statement. Now, let's see how the market prices Tesla's leading position compared to Mercedes:To me, the difference is too wide, especially if we consider Mercedes' high-quality strategy that is effectively managing to increase the company's profitability.This is why I actually own Mercedes as my favorite pick among premium luxury automakers.My third pick - even though, as I have tried to explain, I think we are once again at risk of comparing chalk and cheese - is Stellantis N.V. (STLA). If we look at automakers that produce affordable vehicles truly addressed to customers without deep pockets, then I think the Stellantis bull case almost speaks for itself as soon as we look at its financials and at its multiples. We are talking about a double-digit margin automaker, with incredibly skilled management, lots of tailwinds going for it (i.e., synergies), low geopolitical risk, etc. trading at unreasonable multiples of a 3 fwd P/E, a 1.2 fwd (EV/EBITDA) and a 2.3 P/FCF. I am not kidding. The company trades as if it were to go bankrupt tomorrow, while it is swimming in cash.Let me share my discounted cash flow (\"DCF\") model on Tesla, just to check if my thesis may be supported by future cash flow. Even projecting a 5 year free cash flow (\"FCF\") growth rate of 45% and then assuming a 9% perpetual growth rate (very generous assumptions), I still find TSLA stock should not trade over $150.Author, with data from SA and own future forecastAs I said, it is not my investing style to short a stock or make short-term trades. I am in for the long term. But I think Tesla, Inc.'s stock got a bit ahead of itself, especially given the fact that it has reached such volumes that will make it harder for the company to keep on growing at the fast pace investors are expecting. Many investors have for sure gained a lot of money with Tesla stock, while many other have lost a ton of it. As for me, I keep on studying Tesla, Inc. as an investor interested in the industry, but I don't see TSLA stock as appealing as other opportunities. This is why I rate Tesla, Inc. as a hold.This article is written by Luca Socci for reference only. Please note the risks.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":364,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":9071526765,"gmtCreate":1657570188357,"gmtModify":1676536025272,"author":{"id":"4093697688955580","authorId":"4093697688955580","authorIdStr":"4093697688955580","name":"Wildhorseusa","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"4093697688955580"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"If you are fore sure it's going&nbsp; to pop, then you can just short this stock to make money. You don't&nbsp; need to waste your time to write this.","listText":"If you are fore sure it's going&nbsp; to pop, then you can just short this stock to make money. You don't&nbsp; need to waste your time to write this.","text":"If you are fore sure it's going to pop, then you can just short this stock to make money. You don't need to waste your time to write this.","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":3,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/9071526765","repostId":"1164092479","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"1164092479","pubTimestamp":1657553305,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/1164092479?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2022-07-11 23:28","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Tesla: The Last Bubble Standing","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1164092479","media":"Seeking Alpha","summary":"SummaryAs the market crumbles around it, the enthusiasm for Tesla is unwavering. With a 1% earnings ","content":"<html><head></head><body><p><b>Summary</b></p><ul><li>As the market crumbles around it, the enthusiasm for Tesla is unwavering. With a 1% earnings yield, Tesla is the last bubble standing.</li><li>Elon Musk’s diverted focus is not good news for AI and autonomous drive. He’s been selling stock hand-over-fist.</li><li>In the next recession, Tesla&#39;s earnings will likely decline, and the bubble will go &#34;pop.&#34; We&#39;ll dig into why we see a lost decade ahead for TSLA.</li></ul><p><b>The Thesis</b></p><p>Tesla (NASDAQ:TSLA) has captured the minds of investors the world over. The company has become more of a gambling machine than an investment; in 2021, TSLA was the most traded stock among retail investors.</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/1e3d4b7cda76da9b0147473895a518c9\" tg-width=\"1040\" tg-height=\"1088\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Most Traded Stocks (Degiro)</p><p>So why is Tesla not crumbling entirely in the face of this bear market? Well, autos are still riding an all-time hot wave of sales, and investors aren&#39;t pricing in the cyclicality of earnings. In a deep recession, Tesla&#39;s earnings can and likely will decline, along with all other automakers. At which time, the air will come out of Tesla&#39;s stock.</p><p><b>Autos vs. Recession</b></p><p>Recessions get nasty for auto manufacturers. History has shown that it doesn&#39;t matter who you are, when big recessions hit, auto earnings not only decline but usually go negative in this capital-intensive industry. In 2009, auto manufacturers got absolutely crushed, reporting negative net income across the board:</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/178b4e4d53d206f47912083db8e6b7ea\" tg-width=\"635\" tg-height=\"450\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/>Data by YCharts</p><p>You may ask, &#34;What about the recession of 2020?&#34; Well, 2020 was unlike any recession in the past. The government sent out so many stimulus checks, that consumers&#39; bank accounts actually ballooned. Combined with the lowest interest rates in 5000 years, buying a $50,000 car became more affordable than ever.</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/8dea3cc478a3fb47133524908183cc64\" tg-width=\"786\" tg-height=\"565\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Cash Balances of American Consumers (RSM)</p><p><b>Disconnected Management</b></p><p>As the bubble booms on, Elon Musk has beensellingTesla shares hand-over-fist, with excuses like this:</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/3740aa3afe71aa226eca83a1d035e273\" tg-width=\"1200\" tg-height=\"546\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Elon Musk Tweet (Bloomberg)</p><p>This is not what we like to see from our CEO. To be fair to Musk, he did tweet this back in 2020, when the stock was at $140 per share:</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/7a940e22f55a558f3d8e8d882e91469a\" tg-width=\"602\" tg-height=\"334\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Elon Musk Tweet (Quora)</p><p>TSLA currently has a 1% earnings yield on what is likely an industry peak. It appears to us that Elon&#39;s getting out.</p><p>With the proceeds, Musk is attempting to buy Twitter (TWTR) outright. Keep in mind that Musk is not only focusing his time and attention on this, but to SpaceX, which is arguably a more promising business. The space industry is projected to reach $1 trillion in revenue by 2040.</p><p><b>A Fundamental Look At Tesla&#39;s Growth</b></p><p>Tesla is going global and getting closer to its customer base, with new factories in Shanghai, China, as well as Berlin, Germany. You would think this move would expand Tesla&#39;s market share. But from 2020 to 2021, Tesla&#39;s global market share actually shrank from17%to just under14%.</p><p>Competition is coming from everywhere. With a 14% market share, Tesla is more likely to lose share than to gain it. Companies like Honda (HMC) (OTCPK:HNDAF), BMW (OTCPK:BMWYY), Ford (F), GM (GM), Hyundai (OTCPK:HYMTF), Jaguar, Kia (OTCPK:KIMTF), Mazda (OTCPK:MZDAY) (OTCPK:MZDAF), Mercedes (OTCPK:DDAIF) (OTCPK:DMLRY), Mitsubishi, Nissan (OTCPK:NSANY) (OTCPK:NSANF), Stellantis (STLA), Subaru (OTCPK:FUJHY) (OTCPK:FUJHF), Toyota (TM) (OTCPK:TOYOF), Volkswagen (OTCPK:VWAGY) (OTCPK:VLKAF) (OTCPK:VWAPY), and Volvo (OTCPK:VOLAF) (OTCPK:VLVLY) (OTCPK:VOLVF) are all adding EVs to their lineups. Many of these companies have strong and entrenched brands and are partnering with EV titans like BYD (OTCPK:BYDDF). On top of that, they&#39;re producing EVs that are more affordable for the average consumer.</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/78163ed4a8e14f033b94ab5f7ab5ba04\" tg-width=\"664\" tg-height=\"701\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Global EV Market Share (Statista)</p><p>Tesla&#39;s margins could also decrease. A cooler economy, increased competition, and used EVs coming online means the price of buying an EV could actually fall over time. Tesla&#39;s benefited from government credits, but these credits could dissipate now that EV companies like Tesla are profitable and highly valued.</p><p>To understand where Tesla is going, we need to understand where the industry is going. The number of electric vehicles sold globally is projected to grow at 17.5% per annum through to 2030. Tesla&#39;s energy business has grown revenue at21% per annum over the past 3 years.</p><p>95% of Tesla&#39;s revenue still comes from the automotive arm:</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/27d7141d89fbc6299c4d310ef0e3a6d2\" tg-width=\"1268\" tg-height=\"344\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Tesla&#39;s Revenue Breakdown (2021 Annual Report)</p><p>Given the market share, margins, and industry risks, we estimate Tesla will simply match the growth of global EV sales, growing 17.5% per annum. The energy business should continue to grow and become profitable, which will partially make up for the issues cited above.</p><p><b>The Valuation</b></p><p>Our 2032 price target for TSLA is $683 per share, indicating a return of 0% per annum, with no dividends.</p><ul><li>Tesla has earnings of $7.78 per share, giving it a PE of nearly 100. If Tesla&#39;s EPS should grow at 17.5% per annum, we get 2032 earnings of $39 per share. While the typical car company trades at just 10x normalized earnings, Tesla continues to benefit from the transition to EVs, and should have a more prominent footprint in clean energy generation and storage in 2032. We&#39;ve applied a terminal multiple of 17.5x earnings, which is a 75% premium to the average car company. Remember, the auto business is cyclical, competitive, and prone to bankruptcy. It&#39;s difficult to justify a higher multiple unless our risks to the thesis play out.</li></ul><p><b>Risks To The Thesis</b></p><p>Tesla&#39;s future is very up in the air. Elon Musk has all sorts of stories for investors revolving around autonomous drive, robotics, ride-sharing, and artificial intelligence. However, we do not yet have substantial revenues from Musk&#39;s many grand ideas. When those revenues do materialize, the businesses are likely to be loss-making, much like TSLA&#39;s energy business thus far. Competition will be strong in these fields. Autonomous drive, for instance, has attracted competition from Microsoft (MSFT), Alphabet (GOOG) (GOOGL), Uber (UBER), General Motors, Nvidia (NVDA), Baidu (BIDU), Ford, Aptiv (APTV), and Luminar Technologies (LAZR).</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/ee253b2e571ef4520e73af17cb9e1ee6\" tg-width=\"1280\" tg-height=\"1280\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Tesla Bot (Wired)</p><p>If Elon Musk&#39;s focus doesn&#39;t stray too much, the company could win in one or more of these fields, which would be a boon for long-term profits and Tesla&#39;s terminal multiple.</p><p>For more on the Tesla bull thesis, readers can review claims by Cathie Wood, who says the stock will quintuple in a few years.</p></body></html>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Tesla: The Last Bubble Standing</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nTesla: The Last Bubble Standing\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2022-07-11 23:28 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://seekingalpha.com/article/4522405-tesla-stock-the-last-bubble-standing?source=content_type%3Aall%7Cfirst_level_url%3Aportfolio%7Csection%3Aportfolio_content_unit%7Csection_asset%3Alatest%7Cline%3A23><strong>Seeking Alpha</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>SummaryAs the market crumbles around it, the enthusiasm for Tesla is unwavering. With a 1% earnings yield, Tesla is the last bubble standing.Elon Musk’s diverted focus is not good news for AI and ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4522405-tesla-stock-the-last-bubble-standing?source=content_type%3Aall%7Cfirst_level_url%3Aportfolio%7Csection%3Aportfolio_content_unit%7Csection_asset%3Alatest%7Cline%3A23\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"TSLA":"特斯拉"},"source_url":"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4522405-tesla-stock-the-last-bubble-standing?source=content_type%3Aall%7Cfirst_level_url%3Aportfolio%7Csection%3Aportfolio_content_unit%7Csection_asset%3Alatest%7Cline%3A23","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1164092479","content_text":"SummaryAs the market crumbles around it, the enthusiasm for Tesla is unwavering. With a 1% earnings yield, Tesla is the last bubble standing.Elon Musk’s diverted focus is not good news for AI and autonomous drive. He’s been selling stock hand-over-fist.In the next recession, Tesla's earnings will likely decline, and the bubble will go \"pop.\" We'll dig into why we see a lost decade ahead for TSLA.The ThesisTesla (NASDAQ:TSLA) has captured the minds of investors the world over. The company has become more of a gambling machine than an investment; in 2021, TSLA was the most traded stock among retail investors.Most Traded Stocks (Degiro)So why is Tesla not crumbling entirely in the face of this bear market? Well, autos are still riding an all-time hot wave of sales, and investors aren't pricing in the cyclicality of earnings. In a deep recession, Tesla's earnings can and likely will decline, along with all other automakers. At which time, the air will come out of Tesla's stock.Autos vs. RecessionRecessions get nasty for auto manufacturers. History has shown that it doesn't matter who you are, when big recessions hit, auto earnings not only decline but usually go negative in this capital-intensive industry. In 2009, auto manufacturers got absolutely crushed, reporting negative net income across the board:Data by YChartsYou may ask, \"What about the recession of 2020?\" Well, 2020 was unlike any recession in the past. The government sent out so many stimulus checks, that consumers' bank accounts actually ballooned. Combined with the lowest interest rates in 5000 years, buying a $50,000 car became more affordable than ever.Cash Balances of American Consumers (RSM)Disconnected ManagementAs the bubble booms on, Elon Musk has beensellingTesla shares hand-over-fist, with excuses like this:Elon Musk Tweet (Bloomberg)This is not what we like to see from our CEO. To be fair to Musk, he did tweet this back in 2020, when the stock was at $140 per share:Elon Musk Tweet (Quora)TSLA currently has a 1% earnings yield on what is likely an industry peak. It appears to us that Elon's getting out.With the proceeds, Musk is attempting to buy Twitter (TWTR) outright. Keep in mind that Musk is not only focusing his time and attention on this, but to SpaceX, which is arguably a more promising business. The space industry is projected to reach $1 trillion in revenue by 2040.A Fundamental Look At Tesla's GrowthTesla is going global and getting closer to its customer base, with new factories in Shanghai, China, as well as Berlin, Germany. You would think this move would expand Tesla's market share. But from 2020 to 2021, Tesla's global market share actually shrank from17%to just under14%.Competition is coming from everywhere. With a 14% market share, Tesla is more likely to lose share than to gain it. Companies like Honda (HMC) (OTCPK:HNDAF), BMW (OTCPK:BMWYY), Ford (F), GM (GM), Hyundai (OTCPK:HYMTF), Jaguar, Kia (OTCPK:KIMTF), Mazda (OTCPK:MZDAY) (OTCPK:MZDAF), Mercedes (OTCPK:DDAIF) (OTCPK:DMLRY), Mitsubishi, Nissan (OTCPK:NSANY) (OTCPK:NSANF), Stellantis (STLA), Subaru (OTCPK:FUJHY) (OTCPK:FUJHF), Toyota (TM) (OTCPK:TOYOF), Volkswagen (OTCPK:VWAGY) (OTCPK:VLKAF) (OTCPK:VWAPY), and Volvo (OTCPK:VOLAF) (OTCPK:VLVLY) (OTCPK:VOLVF) are all adding EVs to their lineups. Many of these companies have strong and entrenched brands and are partnering with EV titans like BYD (OTCPK:BYDDF). On top of that, they're producing EVs that are more affordable for the average consumer.Global EV Market Share (Statista)Tesla's margins could also decrease. A cooler economy, increased competition, and used EVs coming online means the price of buying an EV could actually fall over time. Tesla's benefited from government credits, but these credits could dissipate now that EV companies like Tesla are profitable and highly valued.To understand where Tesla is going, we need to understand where the industry is going. The number of electric vehicles sold globally is projected to grow at 17.5% per annum through to 2030. Tesla's energy business has grown revenue at21% per annum over the past 3 years.95% of Tesla's revenue still comes from the automotive arm:Tesla's Revenue Breakdown (2021 Annual Report)Given the market share, margins, and industry risks, we estimate Tesla will simply match the growth of global EV sales, growing 17.5% per annum. The energy business should continue to grow and become profitable, which will partially make up for the issues cited above.The ValuationOur 2032 price target for TSLA is $683 per share, indicating a return of 0% per annum, with no dividends.Tesla has earnings of $7.78 per share, giving it a PE of nearly 100. If Tesla's EPS should grow at 17.5% per annum, we get 2032 earnings of $39 per share. While the typical car company trades at just 10x normalized earnings, Tesla continues to benefit from the transition to EVs, and should have a more prominent footprint in clean energy generation and storage in 2032. We've applied a terminal multiple of 17.5x earnings, which is a 75% premium to the average car company. Remember, the auto business is cyclical, competitive, and prone to bankruptcy. It's difficult to justify a higher multiple unless our risks to the thesis play out.Risks To The ThesisTesla's future is very up in the air. Elon Musk has all sorts of stories for investors revolving around autonomous drive, robotics, ride-sharing, and artificial intelligence. However, we do not yet have substantial revenues from Musk's many grand ideas. When those revenues do materialize, the businesses are likely to be loss-making, much like TSLA's energy business thus far. Competition will be strong in these fields. Autonomous drive, for instance, has attracted competition from Microsoft (MSFT), Alphabet (GOOG) (GOOGL), Uber (UBER), General Motors, Nvidia (NVDA), Baidu (BIDU), Ford, Aptiv (APTV), and Luminar Technologies (LAZR).Tesla Bot (Wired)If Elon Musk's focus doesn't stray too much, the company could win in one or more of these fields, which would be a boon for long-term profits and Tesla's terminal multiple.For more on the Tesla bull thesis, readers can review claims by Cathie Wood, who says the stock will quintuple in a few years.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":325,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":9948345608,"gmtCreate":1680632701404,"gmtModify":1680632852437,"author":{"id":"4093697688955580","authorId":"4093697688955580","authorIdStr":"4093697688955580","name":"Wildhorseusa","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"4093697688955580"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"Don't believe a single word in this bs. No&nbsp; good reasoning, just rubbish.","listText":"Don't believe a single word in this bs. No&nbsp; good reasoning, just rubbish.","text":"Don't believe a single word in this bs. No good reasoning, just rubbish.","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":3,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/9948345608","repostId":"1143129882","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"1143129882","pubTimestamp":1680618277,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/1143129882?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2023-04-04 22:24","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Tesla Obviously Had A Disappointing Quarter, Expect More Pain","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1143129882","media":"Seeking Alpha","summary":"SummaryTesla grew production and sales, but it appears that the company needs to maintain price cuts","content":"<html><head></head><body><h2 style=\"text-align: left;\">Summary</h2><ul><li><p>Tesla grew production and sales, but it appears that the company needs to maintain price cuts to grow.</p></li><li><p>The company is rapidly seeing increased competition from both new companies at the top end and existing car companies ramping up production.</p></li><li><p>We see 2023 as a transition year, as other companies ramp up their production. That should cause Tesla&#39;s margins to decline, hurting the company&#39;s profits.</p></li><li><p>Regardless of the company&#39;s margins, it&#39;s already severely overvalued in a variety of margins, making it a poor investment.</p></li></ul><p>Tesla, Inc. (NASDAQ: TSLA) stock dropped more than 6% Monday after the company&#39;s recent press release once again raised concerns that additional price cuts are in the future. That&#39;s despite the company&#39;s strong 25.9% gross margins, which investors point to as evidence of the company&#39;s financial strength and unique pricing power.</p><h2 style=\"text-align: left;\">Tesla&#39;s Q1 2023 Deliveries</h2><p style=\"text-align: left;\">Tesla achieved strong deliveries in the first quarter. However, the company produced more than it delivered.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\"></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/f89508063ee9dc35033f4fd24a35b9a6\" alt=\"Tesla Press Release\" title=\"Tesla Press Release\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"248\"/><span>Tesla Press Release</span></p><p style=\"text-align: left;\"><strong>Tesla Press Release</strong></p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">The company produced just under 441 thousand vehicles in the first quarter and managed to deliver about 95% of them. QoQ Model S/X, the company&#39;s high-end vehicle, saw production only drop 5%, but deliveries crumpled by almost 40%. That shows a lack of demand for the company&#39;s top-end vehicles, especially with price cuts.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">We expect Model S/X deliveries and demand to remain muted as high-margin competition arrives first through new companies such as Rivian (RIVN), Polestar (PSNY), and Lucid (LCID) along with established companies like BMW (OTCPK: BMWYY) and Mercedes (OTCPK: MBGAF). That lines up with our expectation that Tesla would see competition first at the top end of its portfolio, the same place that Tesla was able to start.</p><h2 style=\"text-align: left;\">Tesla&#39;s Pricing Cuts</h2><p style=\"text-align: left;\">The top story for Tesla has been the company&#39;s continued price cuts on its vehicles.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\"></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/9cf899accf0819a015e8201c816249ca\" alt=\"USA Today\" title=\"USA Today\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"209\"/><span>USA Today</span></p><p style=\"text-align: left;\"><strong>USA Today</strong></p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">Tesla cut the prices of its vehicles by as much as 20% in January, and in March it cut the prices of its Model S and X between 4-9%. The company has record margins, but the more it needs to cut prices, the more that it cuts into those margins. Unfortunately for Tesla, even if it&#39;s better than the competition, new competition lowers margins.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">That can be seen in classic carmakers. Toyota (TM) and Honda (HMC) are widely considered to have the best reliability, and yet they don&#39;t dominate the entire market. There&#39;s other competition and pricing pressure. That&#39;s worth paying close attention to as an investor.</p><h2 style=\"text-align: left;\">Tesla&#39;s Rising Competition</h2><p style=\"text-align: left;\">Tesla is facing rising competition from its market share even as vehicle production goes up.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\"></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/1cba9cabe9bbaa012d768e578318aea6\" alt=\"Inside EVs\" title=\"Inside EVs\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"235\"/><span>Inside EVs</span></p><p style=\"text-align: left;\"><strong>Inside EVs</strong></p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">Tesla&#39;s registrations went up 34% YoY as the U.S. market faced more competition versus last year. Significant U.S. competition also caused the market to grow slower than the global markets. The company now has a 57% market share, with its second-largest competitor Chevrolet (GM) having an 8.5% share and Ford having a 7.7% share.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">We expect the company&#39;s competition to continue increasing its share. Rivian, for example, increased its market share by almost 300% YoY. It&#39;s also worth noting that Tesla likely saw an uptick in demand from its price increases, an uptick in demand that we don&#39;t expect to continue.</p><h2 style=\"text-align: left;\">2023 - A Tesla Transition Year</h2><p style=\"text-align: left;\">2023 is a transition year for Tesla. The company&#39;s competitors have come up with their models, and they&#39;re working to rapidly ramp up production.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">Rivian expects to produce 50 thousand vehicles in 2023, double 2022. Ford (F) plans to exit 2023 at more than 360 thousand vehicles/year in production, up from just under 62 thousand in 2022. Lucid is aiming to produce 12 thousand vehicles in 2023. Polestar is aiming to hit 80 thousand vehicles in 2023, up from 50 thousand in 2022.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">BMW is looking to triple its EV production in 2023 to almost 50 thousand vehicles. Each of these vehicles, especially on the upper end, will push down Tesla&#39;s margins substantially. That could hurt its ability to justify its valuations. Assuming its margins drop, that could crater its share price, by showing the market how overvalued the company is.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">At the same time, Tesla&#39;s other businesses aren&#39;t anywhere exciting yet. The company&#39;s solar business has a negligible market share, and it&#39;s to-date nowhere near releasing full self-driving. The company&#39;s most exciting business is the megapack, but it needs those battery packs for its own vehicles and its margins on the megapack are lower.</p><h2 style=\"text-align: left;\">Our View</h2><p style=\"text-align: left;\">Tesla is overvalued.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">In 2022, the company had $81 billion in revenue, $20 billion in gross profit, and $12.5 billion in net income. The company has a market capitalization of more than $600 billion. That&#39;s a P/E of 50 on net income, or 30 on gross profits. The company did manage to grow profits 50% YoY but as we discussed above we expect margins to drop.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">That could hurt the company&#39;s ability to justify its valuation substantially and cause its share price to decline.</p><h2 style=\"text-align: left;\">Thesis Risk</h2><p style=\"text-align: left;\">The largest risk to our thesis is Tesla&#39;s value as an independent brand. Assuming the company remains popular, and demand remains high, higher margins could result in higher profits. Even in that case, we don&#39;t see the company managing to justify its valuation. However, it&#39;s worth paying close attention to.</p><h2 style=\"text-align: left;\">Conclusion</h2><p style=\"text-align: left;\">Tesla, Inc. is dramatically overvalued. The company is trading at 8x sales and 50x net income. The company is supported by its strong margins, but new competition is rapidly ramping up its production, with most companies expecting to double to triple production in 2023. At a minimum, that will put strong pressure on margins.</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">We expect that pressure on margins to cause Tesla, Inc.&#39;s profits to drop substantially. That&#39;s even when counting the company&#39;s 50% annualized anticipated production growth. We expect the company&#39;s market share to continue to decline. As a result, we recommend against investing in Tesla, Inc. stock for the long run.</p></body></html>","source":"seekingalpha","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Tesla Obviously Had A Disappointing Quarter, Expect More Pain</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nTesla Obviously Had A Disappointing Quarter, Expect More Pain\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2023-04-04 22:24 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://seekingalpha.com/article/4592157-tesla-obviously-had-disappointing-quarter-expect-more-pain><strong>Seeking Alpha</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>SummaryTesla grew production and sales, but it appears that the company needs to maintain price cuts to grow.The company is rapidly seeing increased competition from both new companies at the top end ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4592157-tesla-obviously-had-disappointing-quarter-expect-more-pain\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"TSLA":"特斯拉"},"source_url":"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4592157-tesla-obviously-had-disappointing-quarter-expect-more-pain","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/5a36db9d73b4222bc376d24ccc48c8a4","article_id":"1143129882","content_text":"SummaryTesla grew production and sales, but it appears that the company needs to maintain price cuts to grow.The company is rapidly seeing increased competition from both new companies at the top end and existing car companies ramping up production.We see 2023 as a transition year, as other companies ramp up their production. That should cause Tesla's margins to decline, hurting the company's profits.Regardless of the company's margins, it's already severely overvalued in a variety of margins, making it a poor investment.Tesla, Inc. (NASDAQ: TSLA) stock dropped more than 6% Monday after the company's recent press release once again raised concerns that additional price cuts are in the future. That's despite the company's strong 25.9% gross margins, which investors point to as evidence of the company's financial strength and unique pricing power.Tesla's Q1 2023 DeliveriesTesla achieved strong deliveries in the first quarter. However, the company produced more than it delivered.Tesla Press ReleaseTesla Press ReleaseThe company produced just under 441 thousand vehicles in the first quarter and managed to deliver about 95% of them. QoQ Model S/X, the company's high-end vehicle, saw production only drop 5%, but deliveries crumpled by almost 40%. That shows a lack of demand for the company's top-end vehicles, especially with price cuts.We expect Model S/X deliveries and demand to remain muted as high-margin competition arrives first through new companies such as Rivian (RIVN), Polestar (PSNY), and Lucid (LCID) along with established companies like BMW (OTCPK: BMWYY) and Mercedes (OTCPK: MBGAF). That lines up with our expectation that Tesla would see competition first at the top end of its portfolio, the same place that Tesla was able to start.Tesla's Pricing CutsThe top story for Tesla has been the company's continued price cuts on its vehicles.USA TodayUSA TodayTesla cut the prices of its vehicles by as much as 20% in January, and in March it cut the prices of its Model S and X between 4-9%. The company has record margins, but the more it needs to cut prices, the more that it cuts into those margins. Unfortunately for Tesla, even if it's better than the competition, new competition lowers margins.That can be seen in classic carmakers. Toyota (TM) and Honda (HMC) are widely considered to have the best reliability, and yet they don't dominate the entire market. There's other competition and pricing pressure. That's worth paying close attention to as an investor.Tesla's Rising CompetitionTesla is facing rising competition from its market share even as vehicle production goes up.Inside EVsInside EVsTesla's registrations went up 34% YoY as the U.S. market faced more competition versus last year. Significant U.S. competition also caused the market to grow slower than the global markets. The company now has a 57% market share, with its second-largest competitor Chevrolet (GM) having an 8.5% share and Ford having a 7.7% share.We expect the company's competition to continue increasing its share. Rivian, for example, increased its market share by almost 300% YoY. It's also worth noting that Tesla likely saw an uptick in demand from its price increases, an uptick in demand that we don't expect to continue.2023 - A Tesla Transition Year2023 is a transition year for Tesla. The company's competitors have come up with their models, and they're working to rapidly ramp up production.Rivian expects to produce 50 thousand vehicles in 2023, double 2022. Ford (F) plans to exit 2023 at more than 360 thousand vehicles/year in production, up from just under 62 thousand in 2022. Lucid is aiming to produce 12 thousand vehicles in 2023. Polestar is aiming to hit 80 thousand vehicles in 2023, up from 50 thousand in 2022.BMW is looking to triple its EV production in 2023 to almost 50 thousand vehicles. Each of these vehicles, especially on the upper end, will push down Tesla's margins substantially. That could hurt its ability to justify its valuations. Assuming its margins drop, that could crater its share price, by showing the market how overvalued the company is.At the same time, Tesla's other businesses aren't anywhere exciting yet. The company's solar business has a negligible market share, and it's to-date nowhere near releasing full self-driving. The company's most exciting business is the megapack, but it needs those battery packs for its own vehicles and its margins on the megapack are lower.Our ViewTesla is overvalued.In 2022, the company had $81 billion in revenue, $20 billion in gross profit, and $12.5 billion in net income. The company has a market capitalization of more than $600 billion. That's a P/E of 50 on net income, or 30 on gross profits. The company did manage to grow profits 50% YoY but as we discussed above we expect margins to drop.That could hurt the company's ability to justify its valuation substantially and cause its share price to decline.Thesis RiskThe largest risk to our thesis is Tesla's value as an independent brand. Assuming the company remains popular, and demand remains high, higher margins could result in higher profits. Even in that case, we don't see the company managing to justify its valuation. However, it's worth paying close attention to.ConclusionTesla, Inc. is dramatically overvalued. The company is trading at 8x sales and 50x net income. The company is supported by its strong margins, but new competition is rapidly ramping up its production, with most companies expecting to double to triple production in 2023. At a minimum, that will put strong pressure on margins.We expect that pressure on margins to cause Tesla, Inc.'s profits to drop substantially. That's even when counting the company's 50% annualized anticipated production growth. We expect the company's market share to continue to decline. As a result, we recommend against investing in Tesla, Inc. stock for the long run.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":232,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":349091592007840,"gmtCreate":1726257608135,"gmtModify":1726257611871,"author":{"id":"4093697688955580","authorId":"4093697688955580","authorIdStr":"4093697688955580","name":"Wildhorseusa","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"4093697688955580"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"are you sure? do you really have a crystal ball to predict future? I think you don't. it does not dip because it run from 25 to 33.","listText":"are you sure? do you really have a crystal ball to predict future? 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Book profits and wait to buy the dip again.&nbsp;","listText":"<a href=\"https://ttm.financial/S/SOXL\">$Direxion Daily Semiconductors Bull 3x Shares(SOXL)$&nbsp;</a> it is now due for a downwards adjustment next week. Book profits and wait to buy the dip again.&nbsp;","text":"$Direxion Daily Semiconductors Bull 3x Shares(SOXL)$ it is now due for a downwards adjustment next week. Book profits and wait to buy the dip again.","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/349003538919760","isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":0,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":25,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":348747249197088,"gmtCreate":1726161833482,"gmtModify":1726161835876,"author":{"id":"4093697688955580","authorId":"4093697688955580","authorIdStr":"4093697688955580","name":"Wildhorseusa","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"4093697688955580"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"，'&nbsp;","listText":"，'&nbsp;","text":"，'","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/348747249197088","repostId":"2466573271","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"2466573271","pubTimestamp":1726140568,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/2466573271?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2024-09-12 19:29","market":"sh","language":"en","title":"CrowdStrike's CEO says there was 'misinformation' by competitors on the outage update; meeting with Microsoft on 'resiliency'","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2466573271","media":"seekingalpha","summary":"\" AI: Kurtz said the company's Charlotte AI chatbot was built as a foundational service within the Falcon platform. However, he noted that \"in security, you really have to have a deterministic outcome, which we built a lot of guardrails around that.\" Kurtz added that the company was doing \"some really interesting things around threat detection and using AI around threat detection, specifically in social engineering attacks. So, listening to voices and the ability to actually understa","content":"<html><body><p>CrowdStrike's (<span>NASDAQ:CRWD</span>) CEO George Kurtz said that during the July 19 global IT outage the company wanted to be transparent, take accountability and communicate what was happening, and in doing that \"probably broke every communication rule that was out there.\"</p> <p>Kurtz, who is<span> also the co-founder of CrowdStrike, was speaking at the Goldman Sachs Communacopia + Technology Conference on Wednesday and responded to questions on the IT outage — which led to business disruptions worldwide about two months ago — and its AI Charlotte, among other things.</span></p> <p>Kurtz said that the strategy to be transparent paid off based on the customer response and how they viewed what the company tried to do.</p> <p>\"I think after that, I got a lot of calls from a lot of different folks around the industry and Andy Jassy [Amazon's CEO] called, and Marc Benioff [CEO of Salesforce] and Bill McDermott [<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/NOW\">ServiceNow</a>'s CEO], I mean the list goes on and on and a lot of it was how can we help?\" Kurtz commented.</p> <p>Speaking on the confusion around the timing of the root cause analysis and specifically the outage update, Kurtz said \"there is a nuance to it and there's a lot of misinformation, a lot of it by competitors. But it was a configuration update.\"</p> <p><strong>Microsoft (MSFT) meeting</strong>: Kurtz also shared snippets of a meeting he had with Microsoft (MSFT) on Tuesday.</p> <p>Kurtz said Microsoft is an open ecosystem provider and CrowdStrike is one player in the security market, adding the meeting was about how would the security market come together to think about other ways to extend that ecosystem and build more resiliency.</p> <p>\"But really, the conversation was, how do you extend the architectures to provide additional resiliency, things that the security vendors can take advantage of and others that make it more resilient?\" said Kurtz.</p> <p>Kurtz also pointed out that following the incident, he had spent a lot of time talking with Microsoft's CEO Satya Nadella, once or twice a day for the first week, and they were very helpful.</p> <p><strong>Outlook</strong>: Discussing the milestones that the company would be looking at to determine that the worst is being behind it, Kurtz stated, \"I think a lot of it's going to be on the net new ARR, which is obviously a big driver of what we do. So, you're going to see headwinds around that in the short term. And then as you roll around -- roll across the comps in Q3, and the Falcon Flex pool of dollars that we create, as that starts to burn off, there's going to be a natural conversation of how do we extend those modules?\"</p> <p><strong>AI</strong>: Kurtz said the company's Charlotte AI chatbot was built as a foundational service within the Falcon platform. However, he noted that \"in security, you really have to have a deterministic outcome, which we built a lot of guardrails around that.\"</p> <p>Kurtz added that the company was doing \"some really interesting things around threat detection and using AI around threat detection, specifically in social engineering attacks. So, listening to voices and the ability to actually understand is somebody getting socially engineered and then being able to call that out.\"</p> <p>Kurtz noted that these are proof-of-concept technologies CrowdStrike has been working on. But, added that the company has been working closely with Nvidia (NVDA) and using their technology and the go-to-market partnerships that they have.</p> <p>Speaking on AI investments by the company's customers, Kurtz noted that he doesn't think they're pushing out core security investments.</p> </body></html>","source":"seekingalpha","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>CrowdStrike's CEO says there was 'misinformation' by competitors on the outage update; meeting with Microsoft on 'resiliency'</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; 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meeting with Microsoft on 'resiliency'\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2024-09-12 19:29 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://seekingalpha.com/news/4148947-crowdstrikes-ceo-says-there-was-misinformation-by-competitors-on-the-outage-update-meeting-with-microsoft-on-resiliency><strong>seekingalpha</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>CrowdStrike's (NASDAQ:CRWD) CEO George Kurtz said that during the July 19 global IT outage the company wanted to be transparent, take accountability and communicate what was happening, and in doing ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://seekingalpha.com/news/4148947-crowdstrikes-ceo-says-there-was-misinformation-by-competitors-on-the-outage-update-meeting-with-microsoft-on-resiliency\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"https://static.seekingalpha.com/cdn/s3/uploads/getty_images/1267582831/image_1267582831.jpg","relate_stocks":{"IE0034235188.USD":"PINEBRIDGE GLOBAL FOCUS EQUITY \"A\" (USD) ACC","BK4554":"元宇宙及AR概念","BK4592":"伊斯兰概念","LU1951200564.SGD":"Natixis Thematics AI & Robotics Fund R/A SGD","IE00BKVL7J92.USD":"Legg Mason ClearBridge - US Equity Sustainability Leaders A Acc USD","IE00B19Z8W00.USD":"FTGF CLEARBRIDGE US LARGE CAP GROWTH \"A\" INC","IE00B3SWFQ91.USD":"PIMCO BALANCED INCOME AND GROWTH \"E\" (USD) INC","BK4567":"ESG概念","IE00B19Z9Z06.USD":"Legg Mason ClearBridge - US Aggressive Growth A Acc USD","LU1974910355.USD":"Allianz Thematica Cl AMg DIS USD","BK4566":"资本集团","HK0000320264.USD":"TAIKANG KAITAI CHINA NEW OPPORTUNITIES FUND \"A\" (USD) ACC","LU2433249047.HKD":"THEMATICS META \"R/A\" (HKD) ACC","MSFT":"微软","IE0034235295.USD":"PINEBRIDGE GLOBAL DYNAMIC ASSET ALLOCATION \"A\" (USD) ACC","BK4535":"淡马锡持仓","IE00BHPRN162.USD":"BNY MELLON BLOCKCHAIN INNOVATION \"B\" (USD) ACC","IE0003U64NQ7.SGD":"PIMCO BALANCED INCOME AND GROWTH \"M\" (SGDHDG) ACC","L":"洛斯公司","BK4538":"云计算","IE00BDCRKT87.USD":"PINEBRIDGE GLOBAL DYNAMIC ASSET ALLOCATION \"ADC\" (USD) INC","BK4550":"红杉资本持仓","BK4503":"景林资产持仓","LU1992135399.USD":"Allianz Global Intelligent Cities AT Acc USD","IE000W1ABFV2.USD":"PIMCO BALANCED INCOME AND GROWTH \"R\" (USD) INC","LU2272731782.SGD":"Allianz Global Intelligent Cities AM Dis H2-SGD","BK4551":"寇图资本持仓","HK0000306701.USD":"TAIKANG KAITAI CHINA NEW OPPORTUNITIES FUND \"A\" (USD) INC","CRWD":"CrowdStrike Holdings, Inc.","2NVD.UK":"2X NVIDIA ETP","BK4097":"系统软件","GB00BDT5M118.USD":"天利环球扩展Alpha基金A Acc","LU2125909759.SGD":"Natixis Thematics Safety H-R/A SGD","IE00BDRTCR15.USD":"PINEBRIDGE GLOBAL DYNAMIC ASSET ALLOCATION \"ADC\" (USD) INC A","BK4504":"桥水持仓","BK4560":"网络安全概念","LU0053666078.USD":"摩根大通基金-美国股票A（离岸）美元","GB00B4LPDJ14.GBP":"FUNDSMITH EQUITY \"R\" (GBP) ACC","3NVD.UK":"LS 3X NVIDIA","BK4549":"软银资本持仓","IE00B4YYXB79.USD":"PIMCO BALANCED INCOME AND GROWTH \"E\" (USD) ACC","GB00B4QBRK32.GBP":"FUNDSMITH EQUITY \"R\" (GBP) INC","LU2357305700.SGD":"Allianz Global Artificial Intelligence ET H2-SGD","BK4548":"巴美列捷福持仓","NVDA":"英伟达","IE00B3M56506.USD":"NEUBERGER BERMAN EMERGING MARKETS EQUITY \"A\" (USD) ACC","LU1720051017.SGD":"Allianz Global Artificial Intelligence AT Acc H2-SGD","IE00B1BXHZ80.USD":"Legg Mason ClearBridge - US Appreciation A Acc USD","IE00BD6J9T35.USD":"NEUBERGER BERMAN NEXT GENERATION MOBILITY \"A\" (USD) ACC","LU1923623000.USD":"Natixis Thematics AI & Robotics Fund R/A USD"},"source_url":"https://seekingalpha.com/news/4148947-crowdstrikes-ceo-says-there-was-misinformation-by-competitors-on-the-outage-update-meeting-with-microsoft-on-resiliency","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/5a36db9d73b4222bc376d24ccc48c8a4","article_id":"2466573271","content_text":"CrowdStrike's (NASDAQ:CRWD) CEO George Kurtz said that during the July 19 global IT outage the company wanted to be transparent, take accountability and communicate what was happening, and in doing that \"probably broke every communication rule that was out there.\" Kurtz, who is also the co-founder of CrowdStrike, was speaking at the Goldman Sachs Communacopia + Technology Conference on Wednesday and responded to questions on the IT outage — which led to business disruptions worldwide about two months ago — and its AI Charlotte, among other things. Kurtz said that the strategy to be transparent paid off based on the customer response and how they viewed what the company tried to do. \"I think after that, I got a lot of calls from a lot of different folks around the industry and Andy Jassy [Amazon's CEO] called, and Marc Benioff [CEO of Salesforce] and Bill McDermott [ServiceNow's CEO], I mean the list goes on and on and a lot of it was how can we help?\" Kurtz commented. Speaking on the confusion around the timing of the root cause analysis and specifically the outage update, Kurtz said \"there is a nuance to it and there's a lot of misinformation, a lot of it by competitors. But it was a configuration update.\" Microsoft (MSFT) meeting: Kurtz also shared snippets of a meeting he had with Microsoft (MSFT) on Tuesday. Kurtz said Microsoft is an open ecosystem provider and CrowdStrike is one player in the security market, adding the meeting was about how would the security market come together to think about other ways to extend that ecosystem and build more resiliency. \"But really, the conversation was, how do you extend the architectures to provide additional resiliency, things that the security vendors can take advantage of and others that make it more resilient?\" said Kurtz. Kurtz also pointed out that following the incident, he had spent a lot of time talking with Microsoft's CEO Satya Nadella, once or twice a day for the first week, and they were very helpful. Outlook: Discussing the milestones that the company would be looking at to determine that the worst is being behind it, Kurtz stated, \"I think a lot of it's going to be on the net new ARR, which is obviously a big driver of what we do. So, you're going to see headwinds around that in the short term. And then as you roll around -- roll across the comps in Q3, and the Falcon Flex pool of dollars that we create, as that starts to burn off, there's going to be a natural conversation of how do we extend those modules?\" AI: Kurtz said the company's Charlotte AI chatbot was built as a foundational service within the Falcon platform. However, he noted that \"in security, you really have to have a deterministic outcome, which we built a lot of guardrails around that.\" Kurtz added that the company was doing \"some really interesting things around threat detection and using AI around threat detection, specifically in social engineering attacks. So, listening to voices and the ability to actually understand is somebody getting socially engineered and then being able to call that out.\" Kurtz noted that these are proof-of-concept technologies CrowdStrike has been working on. But, added that the company has been working closely with Nvidia (NVDA) and using their technology and the go-to-market partnerships that they have. Speaking on AI investments by the company's customers, Kurtz noted that he doesn't think they're pushing out core security investments.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":3,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":345472478064896,"gmtCreate":1725372570481,"gmtModify":1725372572856,"author":{"id":"4093697688955580","authorId":"4093697688955580","authorIdStr":"4093697688955580","name":"Wildhorseusa","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"4093697688955580"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"<a href=\"https://ttm.financial/S/SOXL\">$三倍做多半导体ETF-Direxion Daily(SOXL)$&nbsp;</a>&nbsp;","listText":"<a href=\"https://ttm.financial/S/SOXL\">$三倍做多半导体ETF-Direxion Daily(SOXL)$&nbsp;</a>&nbsp;","text":"$三倍做多半导体ETF-Direxion Daily(SOXL)$","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/345472478064896","isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":138,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":330808715317408,"gmtCreate":1721769497871,"gmtModify":1721769501255,"author":{"id":"4093697688955580","authorId":"4093697688955580","authorIdStr":"4093697688955580","name":"Wildhorseusa","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"4093697688955580"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"Great article, would you like to share it?","listText":"Great article, would you like to share it?","text":"Great article, would you like to share it?","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/330808715317408","repostId":"2453530098","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"2453530098","weMediaInfo":{"introduction":"Dow Jones publishes the world’s most trusted business news and financial information in a variety of media.","home_visible":0,"media_name":"Dow Jones","id":"106","head_image":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/150f88aa4d182df19190059f4a365e99"},"pubTimestamp":1721767260,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/2453530098?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2024-07-24 04:41","market":"sg","language":"en","title":"Tesla Says Timeline Unclear on Robotaxi -- WSJ","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2453530098","media":"Dow Jones","summary":"Tesla says it's unclear when it will be able to roll out its self-driving taxis.The company said with its second-quarter results that deployment of the Robotaxi, a self-driving electric model expected to have no steering wheel or pedals, depends on technological advancements and getting the nod from regulators.The company is \"working vigorously\" on the program because of its \"outsized potential value,\" Tesla said.Tesla is set to unveil the Robotaxi in October after years of talking up the program. Chief Executive Elon Musk has compared the plans for a dedicated ride-hailing network to Airbnb, with Tesla owners deploying their own vehicles for use by others.Shares of Tesla slid more than 2% in extended-hours trading after the EV maker reported per-share earnings for the second quarter that fell short of analysts estimates.This item is part of a Wall Street Journal live coverage event. The full stream can be found by searching P/WSJL .","content":"<font class=\"NormalMinus1\" face=\"Arial\">\n<p>\n     By Ben Glickman \n</p>\n<p>\n     Tesla says it's unclear when it will be able to roll out its self-driving taxis. \n</p>\n<p>\n     The company said with its second-quarter results that deployment of the Robotaxi, a self-driving electric model expected to have no steering wheel or pedals, depends on technological advancements and getting the nod from regulators. \n</p>\n<p>\n     The company is \"working vigorously\" on the program because of its \"outsized potential value,\" Tesla said. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Tesla is set to unveil the Robotaxi in October after years of talking up the program. Chief Executive Elon Musk has compared the plans for a dedicated ride-hailing network to Airbnb, with Tesla owners deploying their own vehicles for use by others. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Shares of Tesla slid more than 2% in extended-hours trading after the EV maker reported per-share earnings for the second quarter that fell short of analysts estimates. \n</p>\n<p>\n     This item is part of a Wall Street Journal live coverage event. The full stream can be found by searching P/WSJL (WSJ Live Coverage). \n</p>\n<p>\n  (END) Dow Jones Newswires\n</p>\n<p>\n  July 23, 2024 16:41 ET (20:41 GMT)\n</p>\n<p>\n  Copyright (c) 2024 Dow Jones &amp; Company, Inc.\n</p>\n</font>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Tesla Says Timeline Unclear on Robotaxi -- WSJ</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nTesla Says Timeline Unclear on Robotaxi -- WSJ\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n<div class=\"head\" \">\n\n\n<div class=\"h-thumb\" style=\"background-image:url(https://static.tigerbbs.com/150f88aa4d182df19190059f4a365e99);background-size:cover;\"></div>\n\n<div class=\"h-content\">\n<p class=\"h-name\">Dow Jones </p>\n<p class=\"h-time\">2024-07-24 04:41</p>\n</div>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<font class=\"NormalMinus1\" face=\"Arial\">\n<p>\n     By Ben Glickman \n</p>\n<p>\n     Tesla says it's unclear when it will be able to roll out its self-driving taxis. \n</p>\n<p>\n     The company said with its second-quarter results that deployment of the Robotaxi, a self-driving electric model expected to have no steering wheel or pedals, depends on technological advancements and getting the nod from regulators. \n</p>\n<p>\n     The company is \"working vigorously\" on the program because of its \"outsized potential value,\" Tesla said. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Tesla is set to unveil the Robotaxi in October after years of talking up the program. Chief Executive Elon Musk has compared the plans for a dedicated ride-hailing network to Airbnb, with Tesla owners deploying their own vehicles for use by others. \n</p>\n<p>\n     Shares of Tesla slid more than 2% in extended-hours trading after the EV maker reported per-share earnings for the second quarter that fell short of analysts estimates. \n</p>\n<p>\n     This item is part of a Wall Street Journal live coverage event. 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As Tesla Inc.'s stock is back on the upswing, high-profile investor Cathie Wood's ETFs are selling again.Wood's flagship Ark Innovation ETF ARKK sold 56,425 Tesla shares  on Tuesday, valued at $13.05 million at Tuesday's closing price.The sale by no means suggests a change in strategy, as Tesla remains the ETF's largest holding by far with a 14.6% weighting, valued at $891.89 million as of Wednesday morning. But it did mark the ETF's first sale since Oct. 18.The sale comes after Tesla's stock closed Tuesday at a six-month high after strong second-quarter deliveries data.The ETF is essentially continuing its pattern of trimming its stake as the stock rallies, after loading up on the dip.Tesla's stock rose 2.2% in premarket trading Wednesday, putting it on track for a seventh straight gain. That would be its longest winning streak since the 13-day streak that ended June 13, 2023","content":"<html><head></head><body><p>As Tesla Inc.&#39;s stock is back on the upswing, high-profile investor Cathie Wood&#39;s ETFs are selling again.</p><p>Wood&#39;s flagship Ark Innovation ETF ARKK sold 56,425 Tesla shares <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/TSLA\">$(TSLA)$</a> on Tuesday, valued at $13.05 million at Tuesday&#39;s closing price.</p><p>The sale by no means suggests a change in strategy, as Tesla remains the ETF&#39;s largest holding by far with a 14.6% weighting, valued at $891.89 million as of Wednesday morning. But it did mark the ETF&#39;s first sale since Oct. 18.</p><p>The sale comes after Tesla&#39;s stock closed Tuesday at a six-month high after strong second-quarter deliveries data.</p><p>The ETF is essentially continuing its pattern of trimming its stake as the stock rallies, after loading up on the dip.</p><p>Tesla&#39;s stock rose 2.2% in premarket trading Wednesday, putting it on track for a seventh straight gain. That would be its longest winning streak since the 13-day streak that ended June 13, 2023.</p><p>Through Tuesday, the stock had run up 16.9% in two days, soared 26.7% during its six-day win streak and rocketed 62.8% since April 22, when it closed at a 15-month low of $142.05.</p><p>Coincidentally, ARKK&#39;s last purchase of Tesla shares was on April 23.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/5e7bfba9483d72fb0849fb30383676df\" tg-width=\"700\" tg-height=\"489\"/></p><p>Ark had started buying Tesla stock on Dec. 20, after it had tumbled nearly 16% since its 2023 closing peak of $293.34 on July 18.</p><p>The ETF bought a total of 2,069,794 Tesla shares from then to April 23. In addition, the Ark Net Generation Internet ETF ARKW had bought 444,508 shares and the Ark Autonomous Technology &amp; Robotics ETF ARKQ had purchased 89,139 shares during that time.</p><p>On Tuesday, the Ark Net Generation ETF sold 6,442 shares of Tesla. The EV giant still has a weighting of 10.3% in the ETF, valued at $152.54 million.</p><p>Despite the recent surge, Tesla&#39;s stock has still lost 6.9% year to date through Tuesday, while the ARKK has dropped 14.4% and the S&amp;P 500 index SPX has rallied 15.5%.</p></body></html>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Cathie Wood's ETFs Sell Tesla's Stock for the First Time in 9 Months</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nCathie Wood's ETFs Sell Tesla's Stock for the First Time in 9 Months\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n<div class=\"head\" \">\n\n\n<div class=\"h-thumb\" style=\"background-image:url(https://static.tigerbbs.com/150f88aa4d182df19190059f4a365e99);background-size:cover;\"></div>\n\n<div class=\"h-content\">\n<p class=\"h-name\">Dow Jones </p>\n<p class=\"h-time\">2024-07-03 20:11</p>\n</div>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<html><head></head><body><p>As Tesla Inc.&#39;s stock is back on the upswing, high-profile investor Cathie Wood&#39;s ETFs are selling again.</p><p>Wood&#39;s flagship Ark Innovation ETF ARKK sold 56,425 Tesla shares <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/TSLA\">$(TSLA)$</a> on Tuesday, valued at $13.05 million at Tuesday&#39;s closing price.</p><p>The sale by no means suggests a change in strategy, as Tesla remains the ETF&#39;s largest holding by far with a 14.6% weighting, valued at $891.89 million as of Wednesday morning. But it did mark the ETF&#39;s first sale since Oct. 18.</p><p>The sale comes after Tesla&#39;s stock closed Tuesday at a six-month high after strong second-quarter deliveries data.</p><p>The ETF is essentially continuing its pattern of trimming its stake as the stock rallies, after loading up on the dip.</p><p>Tesla&#39;s stock rose 2.2% in premarket trading Wednesday, putting it on track for a seventh straight gain. That would be its longest winning streak since the 13-day streak that ended June 13, 2023.</p><p>Through Tuesday, the stock had run up 16.9% in two days, soared 26.7% during its six-day win streak and rocketed 62.8% since April 22, when it closed at a 15-month low of $142.05.</p><p>Coincidentally, ARKK&#39;s last purchase of Tesla shares was on April 23.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/5e7bfba9483d72fb0849fb30383676df\" tg-width=\"700\" tg-height=\"489\"/></p><p>Ark had started buying Tesla stock on Dec. 20, after it had tumbled nearly 16% since its 2023 closing peak of $293.34 on July 18.</p><p>The ETF bought a total of 2,069,794 Tesla shares from then to April 23. In addition, the Ark Net Generation Internet ETF ARKW had bought 444,508 shares and the Ark Autonomous Technology &amp; Robotics ETF ARKQ had purchased 89,139 shares during that time.</p><p>On Tuesday, the Ark Net Generation ETF sold 6,442 shares of Tesla. The EV giant still has a weighting of 10.3% in the ETF, valued at $152.54 million.</p><p>Despite the recent surge, Tesla&#39;s stock has still lost 6.9% year to date through Tuesday, while the ARKK has dropped 14.4% and the S&amp;P 500 index SPX has rallied 15.5%.</p></body></html>\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"LU1551013342.USD":"Allianz Income and Growth Cl AMg2 DIS USD","ARKK":"ARK Innovation ETF","BK4592":"伊斯兰概念","LU0719512351.SGD":"JPMorgan Funds - US Technology A (acc) SGD","LU0056508442.USD":"贝莱德世界科技基金A2","IE00B1XK9C88.USD":"PINEBRIDGE US LARGE CAP RESEARCH ENHANCED \"A\" (USD) ACC","ARKQ":"ARK Autonomous Technology & Robotics ETF","BK4585":"ETF&股票定投概念","ARKW":"ARK Next Generation Internation ETF","LU1914381329.SGD":"Allianz Best Styles Global Equity Cl ET Acc H2-SGD","LU2249611893.SGD":"BNP PARIBAS ENERGY TRANSITION \"CRH\" (SGD) ACC","BK4555":"新能源车","LU0820561909.HKD":"ALLIANZ INCOME AND GROWTH \"AM\" (HKD) INC","TSLL":"Direxion Daily TSLA Bull 2X Shares","LU0820562030.AUD":"ALLIANZ INCOME AND GROWTH \"AMH2\" (AUDHDG) H2 INC","LU2063271972.USD":"富兰克林创新领域基金","LU2756315664.SGD":"ALLIANZ INCOME AND GROWTH \"AMI\" (SGDHDG) INC","SG9999015945.SGD":"LionGlobal Disruptive Innovation Fund A SGD","SG9999015986.USD":"LIONGLOBAL DISRUPTIVE INNOVATION \"I\" (USD) ACC","BK4527":"明星科技股","LU0466842654.USD":"HSBC ISLAMIC GLOBAL EQUITY INDEX \"A\" (USD) ACC","LU0097036916.USD":"贝莱德美国增长A2 USD","LU0689472784.USD":"安联收益及增长基金Cl AM AT Acc","SG9999015978.USD":"利安颠覆性创新基金A","BK4550":"红杉资本持仓","BK4588":"碎股","LU2087621335.USD":"ALLSPRING GLOBAL FACTOR ENHANCED EQUITY \"A\" (USD) ACC","LU2326559502.SGD":"Natixis Loomis Sayles US Growth Equity P/A SGD-H","LU1720051017.SGD":"Allianz Global Artificial Intelligence AT Acc H2-SGD","FDN":"First Trust Dow Jones Internet I","LU0198837287.USD":"UBS (LUX) EQUITY SICAV - USA GROWTH \"P\" (USD) ACC","BK4551":"寇图资本持仓","BK4574":"无人驾驶","LU1861215975.USD":"贝莱德新一代科技基金 A2","LU1548497426.USD":"安联环球人工智能AT Acc","LU1861558580.USD":"日兴方舟颠覆性创新基金B","LU1861220033.SGD":"Blackrock Next Generation Technology A2 SGD-H","LU0820561818.USD":"安联收益及增长平衡基金Cl AM DIS","LU2602419157.SGD":"HSBC ISLAMIC GLOBAL EQUITY INDEX \"AC\" (SGD) ACC","BK4581":"高盛持仓","LU1551013425.SGD":"Allianz Income and Growth Cl AMg2 DIS H2-SGD","LU1861559042.SGD":"日兴方舟颠覆性创新基金B SGD","BK4099":"汽车制造商","LU2756315318.SGD":"ALLIANZ INCOME AND GROWTH \"AMG\" (SGDHDG) INC A","BK4511":"特斯拉概念","TSLA":"特斯拉","LU1720051108.HKD":"ALLIANZ GLOBAL ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE \"AT\" (HKD) ACC","LU0943347566.SGD":"安联收益及增长平衡基金AM H2-SGD","LU2357305700.SGD":"Allianz Global Artificial Intelligence ET H2-SGD","LU1839511570.USD":"WELLS FARGO GLOBAL FACTOR ENHANCED EQUITY \"I\" (USD) ACC"},"source_url":"https://dowjonesnews.com/newdjn/logon.aspx?AL=N","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"2448511101","content_text":"As Tesla Inc.'s stock is back on the upswing, high-profile investor Cathie Wood's ETFs are selling again.Wood's flagship Ark Innovation ETF ARKK sold 56,425 Tesla shares $(TSLA)$ on Tuesday, valued at $13.05 million at Tuesday's closing price.The sale by no means suggests a change in strategy, as Tesla remains the ETF's largest holding by far with a 14.6% weighting, valued at $891.89 million as of Wednesday morning. But it did mark the ETF's first sale since Oct. 18.The sale comes after Tesla's stock closed Tuesday at a six-month high after strong second-quarter deliveries data.The ETF is essentially continuing its pattern of trimming its stake as the stock rallies, after loading up on the dip.Tesla's stock rose 2.2% in premarket trading Wednesday, putting it on track for a seventh straight gain. That would be its longest winning streak since the 13-day streak that ended June 13, 2023.Through Tuesday, the stock had run up 16.9% in two days, soared 26.7% during its six-day win streak and rocketed 62.8% since April 22, when it closed at a 15-month low of $142.05.Coincidentally, ARKK's last purchase of Tesla shares was on April 23.Ark had started buying Tesla stock on Dec. 20, after it had tumbled nearly 16% since its 2023 closing peak of $293.34 on July 18.The ETF bought a total of 2,069,794 Tesla shares from then to April 23. In addition, the Ark Net Generation Internet ETF ARKW had bought 444,508 shares and the Ark Autonomous Technology & Robotics ETF ARKQ had purchased 89,139 shares during that time.On Tuesday, the Ark Net Generation ETF sold 6,442 shares of Tesla. The EV giant still has a weighting of 10.3% in the ETF, valued at $152.54 million.Despite the recent surge, Tesla's stock has still lost 6.9% year to date through Tuesday, while the ARKK has dropped 14.4% and the S&P 500 index SPX has rallied 15.5%.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":110,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":308431119683880,"gmtCreate":1716322504744,"gmtModify":1716322508721,"author":{"id":"4093697688955580","authorId":"4093697688955580","authorIdStr":"4093697688955580","name":"Wildhorseusa","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"4093697688955580"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"you got your wish today. 186","listText":"you got your wish today. 186","text":"you got your wish today. 186","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/308431119683880","repostId":"308385865011280","repostType":1,"repost":{"id":308385865011280,"gmtCreate":1716307785662,"gmtModify":1716307794102,"author":{"id":"3479274776688173","authorId":"3479274776688173","authorIdStr":"3479274776688173","name":"HiTALK","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/8c0eb7ae4762306c23ef3a30fb831746","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"3479274776688173"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"<a href=\"https://ttm.financial/S/TSLA\">$Tesla Motors(TSLA)$</a> <v-v data-views=\"1\"></v-v>be careful blindly following anyone- whether bullish or bearish- instead, act based on financials, charts and indicators etc. for now, Tesla has been hurting but from the 1 month chart, there’s a pretty clear Bull Flag which should help Tesla retest $185 in the coming days.","listText":"<a href=\"https://ttm.financial/S/TSLA\">$Tesla Motors(TSLA)$</a> <v-v data-views=\"1\"></v-v>be careful blindly following anyone- whether bullish or bearish- instead, act based on financials, charts and indicators etc. for now, Tesla has been hurting but from the 1 month chart, there’s a pretty clear Bull Flag which should help Tesla retest $185 in the coming days.","text":"$Tesla Motors(TSLA)$ be careful blindly following anyone- whether bullish or bearish- instead, act based on financials, charts and indicators etc. for now, Tesla has been hurting but from the 1 month chart, there’s a pretty clear Bull Flag which should help Tesla retest $185 in the coming days.","images":[{"img":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/01e8cb54c0494a5bab573057b827afbe","width":"500","height":"286"}],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/308385865011280","isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":0,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":1,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":174,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":9936453760,"gmtCreate":1662811908950,"gmtModify":1676537144868,"author":{"id":"4093697688955580","authorId":"4093697688955580","authorIdStr":"4093697688955580","name":"Wildhorseusa","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"4093697688955580"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"<a href=\"https://ttm.financial/S/TSLA\">$Tesla Motors(TSLA)$</a><v-v data-views=\"1\"></v-v>","listText":"<a href=\"https://ttm.financial/S/TSLA\">$Tesla Motors(TSLA)$</a><v-v data-views=\"1\"></v-v>","text":"$Tesla Motors(TSLA)$","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/9936453760","isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":310,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":9077030448,"gmtCreate":1658431808284,"gmtModify":1676536156466,"author":{"id":"4093697688955580","authorId":"4093697688955580","authorIdStr":"4093697688955580","name":"Wildhorseusa","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"4093697688955580"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"Great article! I would like to share it.","listText":"Great article! I would like to share it.","text":"Great article! I would like to share it.","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/9077030448","repostId":"1164092479","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"1164092479","pubTimestamp":1657553305,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/1164092479?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2022-07-11 23:28","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Tesla: The Last Bubble Standing","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1164092479","media":"Seeking Alpha","summary":"SummaryAs the market crumbles around it, the enthusiasm for Tesla is unwavering. With a 1% earnings ","content":"<html><head></head><body><p><b>Summary</b></p><ul><li>As the market crumbles around it, the enthusiasm for Tesla is unwavering. With a 1% earnings yield, Tesla is the last bubble standing.</li><li>Elon Musk’s diverted focus is not good news for AI and autonomous drive. He’s been selling stock hand-over-fist.</li><li>In the next recession, Tesla&#39;s earnings will likely decline, and the bubble will go &#34;pop.&#34; We&#39;ll dig into why we see a lost decade ahead for TSLA.</li></ul><p><b>The Thesis</b></p><p>Tesla (NASDAQ:TSLA) has captured the minds of investors the world over. The company has become more of a gambling machine than an investment; in 2021, TSLA was the most traded stock among retail investors.</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/1e3d4b7cda76da9b0147473895a518c9\" tg-width=\"1040\" tg-height=\"1088\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Most Traded Stocks (Degiro)</p><p>So why is Tesla not crumbling entirely in the face of this bear market? Well, autos are still riding an all-time hot wave of sales, and investors aren&#39;t pricing in the cyclicality of earnings. In a deep recession, Tesla&#39;s earnings can and likely will decline, along with all other automakers. At which time, the air will come out of Tesla&#39;s stock.</p><p><b>Autos vs. Recession</b></p><p>Recessions get nasty for auto manufacturers. History has shown that it doesn&#39;t matter who you are, when big recessions hit, auto earnings not only decline but usually go negative in this capital-intensive industry. In 2009, auto manufacturers got absolutely crushed, reporting negative net income across the board:</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/178b4e4d53d206f47912083db8e6b7ea\" tg-width=\"635\" tg-height=\"450\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/>Data by YCharts</p><p>You may ask, &#34;What about the recession of 2020?&#34; Well, 2020 was unlike any recession in the past. The government sent out so many stimulus checks, that consumers&#39; bank accounts actually ballooned. Combined with the lowest interest rates in 5000 years, buying a $50,000 car became more affordable than ever.</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/8dea3cc478a3fb47133524908183cc64\" tg-width=\"786\" tg-height=\"565\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Cash Balances of American Consumers (RSM)</p><p><b>Disconnected Management</b></p><p>As the bubble booms on, Elon Musk has beensellingTesla shares hand-over-fist, with excuses like this:</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/3740aa3afe71aa226eca83a1d035e273\" tg-width=\"1200\" tg-height=\"546\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Elon Musk Tweet (Bloomberg)</p><p>This is not what we like to see from our CEO. To be fair to Musk, he did tweet this back in 2020, when the stock was at $140 per share:</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/7a940e22f55a558f3d8e8d882e91469a\" tg-width=\"602\" tg-height=\"334\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Elon Musk Tweet (Quora)</p><p>TSLA currently has a 1% earnings yield on what is likely an industry peak. It appears to us that Elon&#39;s getting out.</p><p>With the proceeds, Musk is attempting to buy Twitter (TWTR) outright. Keep in mind that Musk is not only focusing his time and attention on this, but to SpaceX, which is arguably a more promising business. The space industry is projected to reach $1 trillion in revenue by 2040.</p><p><b>A Fundamental Look At Tesla&#39;s Growth</b></p><p>Tesla is going global and getting closer to its customer base, with new factories in Shanghai, China, as well as Berlin, Germany. You would think this move would expand Tesla&#39;s market share. But from 2020 to 2021, Tesla&#39;s global market share actually shrank from17%to just under14%.</p><p>Competition is coming from everywhere. With a 14% market share, Tesla is more likely to lose share than to gain it. Companies like Honda (HMC) (OTCPK:HNDAF), BMW (OTCPK:BMWYY), Ford (F), GM (GM), Hyundai (OTCPK:HYMTF), Jaguar, Kia (OTCPK:KIMTF), Mazda (OTCPK:MZDAY) (OTCPK:MZDAF), Mercedes (OTCPK:DDAIF) (OTCPK:DMLRY), Mitsubishi, Nissan (OTCPK:NSANY) (OTCPK:NSANF), Stellantis (STLA), Subaru (OTCPK:FUJHY) (OTCPK:FUJHF), Toyota (TM) (OTCPK:TOYOF), Volkswagen (OTCPK:VWAGY) (OTCPK:VLKAF) (OTCPK:VWAPY), and Volvo (OTCPK:VOLAF) (OTCPK:VLVLY) (OTCPK:VOLVF) are all adding EVs to their lineups. Many of these companies have strong and entrenched brands and are partnering with EV titans like BYD (OTCPK:BYDDF). On top of that, they&#39;re producing EVs that are more affordable for the average consumer.</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/78163ed4a8e14f033b94ab5f7ab5ba04\" tg-width=\"664\" tg-height=\"701\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Global EV Market Share (Statista)</p><p>Tesla&#39;s margins could also decrease. A cooler economy, increased competition, and used EVs coming online means the price of buying an EV could actually fall over time. Tesla&#39;s benefited from government credits, but these credits could dissipate now that EV companies like Tesla are profitable and highly valued.</p><p>To understand where Tesla is going, we need to understand where the industry is going. The number of electric vehicles sold globally is projected to grow at 17.5% per annum through to 2030. Tesla&#39;s energy business has grown revenue at21% per annum over the past 3 years.</p><p>95% of Tesla&#39;s revenue still comes from the automotive arm:</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/27d7141d89fbc6299c4d310ef0e3a6d2\" tg-width=\"1268\" tg-height=\"344\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Tesla&#39;s Revenue Breakdown (2021 Annual Report)</p><p>Given the market share, margins, and industry risks, we estimate Tesla will simply match the growth of global EV sales, growing 17.5% per annum. The energy business should continue to grow and become profitable, which will partially make up for the issues cited above.</p><p><b>The Valuation</b></p><p>Our 2032 price target for TSLA is $683 per share, indicating a return of 0% per annum, with no dividends.</p><ul><li>Tesla has earnings of $7.78 per share, giving it a PE of nearly 100. If Tesla&#39;s EPS should grow at 17.5% per annum, we get 2032 earnings of $39 per share. While the typical car company trades at just 10x normalized earnings, Tesla continues to benefit from the transition to EVs, and should have a more prominent footprint in clean energy generation and storage in 2032. We&#39;ve applied a terminal multiple of 17.5x earnings, which is a 75% premium to the average car company. Remember, the auto business is cyclical, competitive, and prone to bankruptcy. It&#39;s difficult to justify a higher multiple unless our risks to the thesis play out.</li></ul><p><b>Risks To The Thesis</b></p><p>Tesla&#39;s future is very up in the air. Elon Musk has all sorts of stories for investors revolving around autonomous drive, robotics, ride-sharing, and artificial intelligence. However, we do not yet have substantial revenues from Musk&#39;s many grand ideas. When those revenues do materialize, the businesses are likely to be loss-making, much like TSLA&#39;s energy business thus far. Competition will be strong in these fields. Autonomous drive, for instance, has attracted competition from Microsoft (MSFT), Alphabet (GOOG) (GOOGL), Uber (UBER), General Motors, Nvidia (NVDA), Baidu (BIDU), Ford, Aptiv (APTV), and Luminar Technologies (LAZR).</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/ee253b2e571ef4520e73af17cb9e1ee6\" tg-width=\"1280\" tg-height=\"1280\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Tesla Bot (Wired)</p><p>If Elon Musk&#39;s focus doesn&#39;t stray too much, the company could win in one or more of these fields, which would be a boon for long-term profits and Tesla&#39;s terminal multiple.</p><p>For more on the Tesla bull thesis, readers can review claims by Cathie Wood, who says the stock will quintuple in a few years.</p></body></html>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Tesla: The Last Bubble Standing</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nTesla: The Last Bubble Standing\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2022-07-11 23:28 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://seekingalpha.com/article/4522405-tesla-stock-the-last-bubble-standing?source=content_type%3Aall%7Cfirst_level_url%3Aportfolio%7Csection%3Aportfolio_content_unit%7Csection_asset%3Alatest%7Cline%3A23><strong>Seeking Alpha</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>SummaryAs the market crumbles around it, the enthusiasm for Tesla is unwavering. 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With a 1% earnings yield, Tesla is the last bubble standing.Elon Musk’s diverted focus is not good news for AI and autonomous drive. He’s been selling stock hand-over-fist.In the next recession, Tesla's earnings will likely decline, and the bubble will go \"pop.\" We'll dig into why we see a lost decade ahead for TSLA.The ThesisTesla (NASDAQ:TSLA) has captured the minds of investors the world over. The company has become more of a gambling machine than an investment; in 2021, TSLA was the most traded stock among retail investors.Most Traded Stocks (Degiro)So why is Tesla not crumbling entirely in the face of this bear market? Well, autos are still riding an all-time hot wave of sales, and investors aren't pricing in the cyclicality of earnings. In a deep recession, Tesla's earnings can and likely will decline, along with all other automakers. At which time, the air will come out of Tesla's stock.Autos vs. RecessionRecessions get nasty for auto manufacturers. History has shown that it doesn't matter who you are, when big recessions hit, auto earnings not only decline but usually go negative in this capital-intensive industry. In 2009, auto manufacturers got absolutely crushed, reporting negative net income across the board:Data by YChartsYou may ask, \"What about the recession of 2020?\" Well, 2020 was unlike any recession in the past. The government sent out so many stimulus checks, that consumers' bank accounts actually ballooned. Combined with the lowest interest rates in 5000 years, buying a $50,000 car became more affordable than ever.Cash Balances of American Consumers (RSM)Disconnected ManagementAs the bubble booms on, Elon Musk has beensellingTesla shares hand-over-fist, with excuses like this:Elon Musk Tweet (Bloomberg)This is not what we like to see from our CEO. To be fair to Musk, he did tweet this back in 2020, when the stock was at $140 per share:Elon Musk Tweet (Quora)TSLA currently has a 1% earnings yield on what is likely an industry peak. It appears to us that Elon's getting out.With the proceeds, Musk is attempting to buy Twitter (TWTR) outright. Keep in mind that Musk is not only focusing his time and attention on this, but to SpaceX, which is arguably a more promising business. The space industry is projected to reach $1 trillion in revenue by 2040.A Fundamental Look At Tesla's GrowthTesla is going global and getting closer to its customer base, with new factories in Shanghai, China, as well as Berlin, Germany. You would think this move would expand Tesla's market share. But from 2020 to 2021, Tesla's global market share actually shrank from17%to just under14%.Competition is coming from everywhere. With a 14% market share, Tesla is more likely to lose share than to gain it. Companies like Honda (HMC) (OTCPK:HNDAF), BMW (OTCPK:BMWYY), Ford (F), GM (GM), Hyundai (OTCPK:HYMTF), Jaguar, Kia (OTCPK:KIMTF), Mazda (OTCPK:MZDAY) (OTCPK:MZDAF), Mercedes (OTCPK:DDAIF) (OTCPK:DMLRY), Mitsubishi, Nissan (OTCPK:NSANY) (OTCPK:NSANF), Stellantis (STLA), Subaru (OTCPK:FUJHY) (OTCPK:FUJHF), Toyota (TM) (OTCPK:TOYOF), Volkswagen (OTCPK:VWAGY) (OTCPK:VLKAF) (OTCPK:VWAPY), and Volvo (OTCPK:VOLAF) (OTCPK:VLVLY) (OTCPK:VOLVF) are all adding EVs to their lineups. Many of these companies have strong and entrenched brands and are partnering with EV titans like BYD (OTCPK:BYDDF). On top of that, they're producing EVs that are more affordable for the average consumer.Global EV Market Share (Statista)Tesla's margins could also decrease. A cooler economy, increased competition, and used EVs coming online means the price of buying an EV could actually fall over time. Tesla's benefited from government credits, but these credits could dissipate now that EV companies like Tesla are profitable and highly valued.To understand where Tesla is going, we need to understand where the industry is going. The number of electric vehicles sold globally is projected to grow at 17.5% per annum through to 2030. Tesla's energy business has grown revenue at21% per annum over the past 3 years.95% of Tesla's revenue still comes from the automotive arm:Tesla's Revenue Breakdown (2021 Annual Report)Given the market share, margins, and industry risks, we estimate Tesla will simply match the growth of global EV sales, growing 17.5% per annum. The energy business should continue to grow and become profitable, which will partially make up for the issues cited above.The ValuationOur 2032 price target for TSLA is $683 per share, indicating a return of 0% per annum, with no dividends.Tesla has earnings of $7.78 per share, giving it a PE of nearly 100. If Tesla's EPS should grow at 17.5% per annum, we get 2032 earnings of $39 per share. While the typical car company trades at just 10x normalized earnings, Tesla continues to benefit from the transition to EVs, and should have a more prominent footprint in clean energy generation and storage in 2032. We've applied a terminal multiple of 17.5x earnings, which is a 75% premium to the average car company. Remember, the auto business is cyclical, competitive, and prone to bankruptcy. It's difficult to justify a higher multiple unless our risks to the thesis play out.Risks To The ThesisTesla's future is very up in the air. Elon Musk has all sorts of stories for investors revolving around autonomous drive, robotics, ride-sharing, and artificial intelligence. However, we do not yet have substantial revenues from Musk's many grand ideas. When those revenues do materialize, the businesses are likely to be loss-making, much like TSLA's energy business thus far. Competition will be strong in these fields. Autonomous drive, for instance, has attracted competition from Microsoft (MSFT), Alphabet (GOOG) (GOOGL), Uber (UBER), General Motors, Nvidia (NVDA), Baidu (BIDU), Ford, Aptiv (APTV), and Luminar Technologies (LAZR).Tesla Bot (Wired)If Elon Musk's focus doesn't stray too much, the company could win in one or more of these fields, which would be a boon for long-term profits and Tesla's terminal multiple.For more on the Tesla bull thesis, readers can review claims by Cathie Wood, who says the stock will quintuple in a few years.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":302,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":9071576456,"gmtCreate":1657577643775,"gmtModify":1676536025996,"author":{"id":"4093697688955580","authorId":"4093697688955580","authorIdStr":"4093697688955580","name":"Wildhorseusa","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"4093697688955580"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"Great article! I would like to share it.","listText":"Great article! I would like to share it.","text":"Great article! I would like to share it.","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/9071576456","repostId":"1164092479","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"1164092479","pubTimestamp":1657553305,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/1164092479?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2022-07-11 23:28","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Tesla: The Last Bubble Standing","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1164092479","media":"Seeking Alpha","summary":"SummaryAs the market crumbles around it, the enthusiasm for Tesla is unwavering. With a 1% earnings ","content":"<html><head></head><body><p><b>Summary</b></p><ul><li>As the market crumbles around it, the enthusiasm for Tesla is unwavering. With a 1% earnings yield, Tesla is the last bubble standing.</li><li>Elon Musk’s diverted focus is not good news for AI and autonomous drive. He’s been selling stock hand-over-fist.</li><li>In the next recession, Tesla&#39;s earnings will likely decline, and the bubble will go &#34;pop.&#34; We&#39;ll dig into why we see a lost decade ahead for TSLA.</li></ul><p><b>The Thesis</b></p><p>Tesla (NASDAQ:TSLA) has captured the minds of investors the world over. The company has become more of a gambling machine than an investment; in 2021, TSLA was the most traded stock among retail investors.</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/1e3d4b7cda76da9b0147473895a518c9\" tg-width=\"1040\" tg-height=\"1088\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Most Traded Stocks (Degiro)</p><p>So why is Tesla not crumbling entirely in the face of this bear market? Well, autos are still riding an all-time hot wave of sales, and investors aren&#39;t pricing in the cyclicality of earnings. In a deep recession, Tesla&#39;s earnings can and likely will decline, along with all other automakers. At which time, the air will come out of Tesla&#39;s stock.</p><p><b>Autos vs. Recession</b></p><p>Recessions get nasty for auto manufacturers. History has shown that it doesn&#39;t matter who you are, when big recessions hit, auto earnings not only decline but usually go negative in this capital-intensive industry. In 2009, auto manufacturers got absolutely crushed, reporting negative net income across the board:</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/178b4e4d53d206f47912083db8e6b7ea\" tg-width=\"635\" tg-height=\"450\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/>Data by YCharts</p><p>You may ask, &#34;What about the recession of 2020?&#34; Well, 2020 was unlike any recession in the past. The government sent out so many stimulus checks, that consumers&#39; bank accounts actually ballooned. Combined with the lowest interest rates in 5000 years, buying a $50,000 car became more affordable than ever.</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/8dea3cc478a3fb47133524908183cc64\" tg-width=\"786\" tg-height=\"565\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Cash Balances of American Consumers (RSM)</p><p><b>Disconnected Management</b></p><p>As the bubble booms on, Elon Musk has beensellingTesla shares hand-over-fist, with excuses like this:</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/3740aa3afe71aa226eca83a1d035e273\" tg-width=\"1200\" tg-height=\"546\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Elon Musk Tweet (Bloomberg)</p><p>This is not what we like to see from our CEO. To be fair to Musk, he did tweet this back in 2020, when the stock was at $140 per share:</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/7a940e22f55a558f3d8e8d882e91469a\" tg-width=\"602\" tg-height=\"334\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Elon Musk Tweet (Quora)</p><p>TSLA currently has a 1% earnings yield on what is likely an industry peak. It appears to us that Elon&#39;s getting out.</p><p>With the proceeds, Musk is attempting to buy Twitter (TWTR) outright. Keep in mind that Musk is not only focusing his time and attention on this, but to SpaceX, which is arguably a more promising business. The space industry is projected to reach $1 trillion in revenue by 2040.</p><p><b>A Fundamental Look At Tesla&#39;s Growth</b></p><p>Tesla is going global and getting closer to its customer base, with new factories in Shanghai, China, as well as Berlin, Germany. You would think this move would expand Tesla&#39;s market share. But from 2020 to 2021, Tesla&#39;s global market share actually shrank from17%to just under14%.</p><p>Competition is coming from everywhere. With a 14% market share, Tesla is more likely to lose share than to gain it. Companies like Honda (HMC) (OTCPK:HNDAF), BMW (OTCPK:BMWYY), Ford (F), GM (GM), Hyundai (OTCPK:HYMTF), Jaguar, Kia (OTCPK:KIMTF), Mazda (OTCPK:MZDAY) (OTCPK:MZDAF), Mercedes (OTCPK:DDAIF) (OTCPK:DMLRY), Mitsubishi, Nissan (OTCPK:NSANY) (OTCPK:NSANF), Stellantis (STLA), Subaru (OTCPK:FUJHY) (OTCPK:FUJHF), Toyota (TM) (OTCPK:TOYOF), Volkswagen (OTCPK:VWAGY) (OTCPK:VLKAF) (OTCPK:VWAPY), and Volvo (OTCPK:VOLAF) (OTCPK:VLVLY) (OTCPK:VOLVF) are all adding EVs to their lineups. Many of these companies have strong and entrenched brands and are partnering with EV titans like BYD (OTCPK:BYDDF). On top of that, they&#39;re producing EVs that are more affordable for the average consumer.</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/78163ed4a8e14f033b94ab5f7ab5ba04\" tg-width=\"664\" tg-height=\"701\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Global EV Market Share (Statista)</p><p>Tesla&#39;s margins could also decrease. A cooler economy, increased competition, and used EVs coming online means the price of buying an EV could actually fall over time. Tesla&#39;s benefited from government credits, but these credits could dissipate now that EV companies like Tesla are profitable and highly valued.</p><p>To understand where Tesla is going, we need to understand where the industry is going. The number of electric vehicles sold globally is projected to grow at 17.5% per annum through to 2030. Tesla&#39;s energy business has grown revenue at21% per annum over the past 3 years.</p><p>95% of Tesla&#39;s revenue still comes from the automotive arm:</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/27d7141d89fbc6299c4d310ef0e3a6d2\" tg-width=\"1268\" tg-height=\"344\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Tesla&#39;s Revenue Breakdown (2021 Annual Report)</p><p>Given the market share, margins, and industry risks, we estimate Tesla will simply match the growth of global EV sales, growing 17.5% per annum. The energy business should continue to grow and become profitable, which will partially make up for the issues cited above.</p><p><b>The Valuation</b></p><p>Our 2032 price target for TSLA is $683 per share, indicating a return of 0% per annum, with no dividends.</p><ul><li>Tesla has earnings of $7.78 per share, giving it a PE of nearly 100. If Tesla&#39;s EPS should grow at 17.5% per annum, we get 2032 earnings of $39 per share. While the typical car company trades at just 10x normalized earnings, Tesla continues to benefit from the transition to EVs, and should have a more prominent footprint in clean energy generation and storage in 2032. We&#39;ve applied a terminal multiple of 17.5x earnings, which is a 75% premium to the average car company. Remember, the auto business is cyclical, competitive, and prone to bankruptcy. It&#39;s difficult to justify a higher multiple unless our risks to the thesis play out.</li></ul><p><b>Risks To The Thesis</b></p><p>Tesla&#39;s future is very up in the air. Elon Musk has all sorts of stories for investors revolving around autonomous drive, robotics, ride-sharing, and artificial intelligence. However, we do not yet have substantial revenues from Musk&#39;s many grand ideas. When those revenues do materialize, the businesses are likely to be loss-making, much like TSLA&#39;s energy business thus far. Competition will be strong in these fields. Autonomous drive, for instance, has attracted competition from Microsoft (MSFT), Alphabet (GOOG) (GOOGL), Uber (UBER), General Motors, Nvidia (NVDA), Baidu (BIDU), Ford, Aptiv (APTV), and Luminar Technologies (LAZR).</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/ee253b2e571ef4520e73af17cb9e1ee6\" tg-width=\"1280\" tg-height=\"1280\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>Tesla Bot (Wired)</p><p>If Elon Musk&#39;s focus doesn&#39;t stray too much, the company could win in one or more of these fields, which would be a boon for long-term profits and Tesla&#39;s terminal multiple.</p><p>For more on the Tesla bull thesis, readers can review claims by Cathie Wood, who says the stock will quintuple in a few years.</p></body></html>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Tesla: The Last Bubble Standing</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nTesla: The Last Bubble Standing\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2022-07-11 23:28 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://seekingalpha.com/article/4522405-tesla-stock-the-last-bubble-standing?source=content_type%3Aall%7Cfirst_level_url%3Aportfolio%7Csection%3Aportfolio_content_unit%7Csection_asset%3Alatest%7Cline%3A23><strong>Seeking Alpha</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>SummaryAs the market crumbles around it, the enthusiasm for Tesla is unwavering. 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With a 1% earnings yield, Tesla is the last bubble standing.Elon Musk’s diverted focus is not good news for AI and autonomous drive. He’s been selling stock hand-over-fist.In the next recession, Tesla's earnings will likely decline, and the bubble will go \"pop.\" We'll dig into why we see a lost decade ahead for TSLA.The ThesisTesla (NASDAQ:TSLA) has captured the minds of investors the world over. The company has become more of a gambling machine than an investment; in 2021, TSLA was the most traded stock among retail investors.Most Traded Stocks (Degiro)So why is Tesla not crumbling entirely in the face of this bear market? Well, autos are still riding an all-time hot wave of sales, and investors aren't pricing in the cyclicality of earnings. In a deep recession, Tesla's earnings can and likely will decline, along with all other automakers. At which time, the air will come out of Tesla's stock.Autos vs. RecessionRecessions get nasty for auto manufacturers. History has shown that it doesn't matter who you are, when big recessions hit, auto earnings not only decline but usually go negative in this capital-intensive industry. In 2009, auto manufacturers got absolutely crushed, reporting negative net income across the board:Data by YChartsYou may ask, \"What about the recession of 2020?\" Well, 2020 was unlike any recession in the past. The government sent out so many stimulus checks, that consumers' bank accounts actually ballooned. Combined with the lowest interest rates in 5000 years, buying a $50,000 car became more affordable than ever.Cash Balances of American Consumers (RSM)Disconnected ManagementAs the bubble booms on, Elon Musk has beensellingTesla shares hand-over-fist, with excuses like this:Elon Musk Tweet (Bloomberg)This is not what we like to see from our CEO. To be fair to Musk, he did tweet this back in 2020, when the stock was at $140 per share:Elon Musk Tweet (Quora)TSLA currently has a 1% earnings yield on what is likely an industry peak. It appears to us that Elon's getting out.With the proceeds, Musk is attempting to buy Twitter (TWTR) outright. Keep in mind that Musk is not only focusing his time and attention on this, but to SpaceX, which is arguably a more promising business. The space industry is projected to reach $1 trillion in revenue by 2040.A Fundamental Look At Tesla's GrowthTesla is going global and getting closer to its customer base, with new factories in Shanghai, China, as well as Berlin, Germany. You would think this move would expand Tesla's market share. But from 2020 to 2021, Tesla's global market share actually shrank from17%to just under14%.Competition is coming from everywhere. With a 14% market share, Tesla is more likely to lose share than to gain it. Companies like Honda (HMC) (OTCPK:HNDAF), BMW (OTCPK:BMWYY), Ford (F), GM (GM), Hyundai (OTCPK:HYMTF), Jaguar, Kia (OTCPK:KIMTF), Mazda (OTCPK:MZDAY) (OTCPK:MZDAF), Mercedes (OTCPK:DDAIF) (OTCPK:DMLRY), Mitsubishi, Nissan (OTCPK:NSANY) (OTCPK:NSANF), Stellantis (STLA), Subaru (OTCPK:FUJHY) (OTCPK:FUJHF), Toyota (TM) (OTCPK:TOYOF), Volkswagen (OTCPK:VWAGY) (OTCPK:VLKAF) (OTCPK:VWAPY), and Volvo (OTCPK:VOLAF) (OTCPK:VLVLY) (OTCPK:VOLVF) are all adding EVs to their lineups. Many of these companies have strong and entrenched brands and are partnering with EV titans like BYD (OTCPK:BYDDF). On top of that, they're producing EVs that are more affordable for the average consumer.Global EV Market Share (Statista)Tesla's margins could also decrease. A cooler economy, increased competition, and used EVs coming online means the price of buying an EV could actually fall over time. Tesla's benefited from government credits, but these credits could dissipate now that EV companies like Tesla are profitable and highly valued.To understand where Tesla is going, we need to understand where the industry is going. The number of electric vehicles sold globally is projected to grow at 17.5% per annum through to 2030. Tesla's energy business has grown revenue at21% per annum over the past 3 years.95% of Tesla's revenue still comes from the automotive arm:Tesla's Revenue Breakdown (2021 Annual Report)Given the market share, margins, and industry risks, we estimate Tesla will simply match the growth of global EV sales, growing 17.5% per annum. The energy business should continue to grow and become profitable, which will partially make up for the issues cited above.The ValuationOur 2032 price target for TSLA is $683 per share, indicating a return of 0% per annum, with no dividends.Tesla has earnings of $7.78 per share, giving it a PE of nearly 100. If Tesla's EPS should grow at 17.5% per annum, we get 2032 earnings of $39 per share. While the typical car company trades at just 10x normalized earnings, Tesla continues to benefit from the transition to EVs, and should have a more prominent footprint in clean energy generation and storage in 2032. We've applied a terminal multiple of 17.5x earnings, which is a 75% premium to the average car company. Remember, the auto business is cyclical, competitive, and prone to bankruptcy. It's difficult to justify a higher multiple unless our risks to the thesis play out.Risks To The ThesisTesla's future is very up in the air. Elon Musk has all sorts of stories for investors revolving around autonomous drive, robotics, ride-sharing, and artificial intelligence. However, we do not yet have substantial revenues from Musk's many grand ideas. When those revenues do materialize, the businesses are likely to be loss-making, much like TSLA's energy business thus far. Competition will be strong in these fields. Autonomous drive, for instance, has attracted competition from Microsoft (MSFT), Alphabet (GOOG) (GOOGL), Uber (UBER), General Motors, Nvidia (NVDA), Baidu (BIDU), Ford, Aptiv (APTV), and Luminar Technologies (LAZR).Tesla Bot (Wired)If Elon Musk's focus doesn't stray too much, the company could win in one or more of these fields, which would be a boon for long-term profits and Tesla's terminal multiple.For more on the Tesla bull thesis, readers can review claims by Cathie Wood, who says the stock will quintuple in a few years.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":312,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0}],"lives":[]}