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10-27

does that mean to sell current SPY positions before this happens? when will it happen? pre-election or post -election?

A notorious market bear who called the 2000 and 2008 crashes shares 3 signs it's a terrible time to invest in the S&P 500 — and warns stocks are due to underperform Treasurys by 10% over the next 12 years

09-04

$NVIDIA Corp(NVDA)$ better to capitalize on the short term market fluctuation now, adding fuel to fire is DOJ subpoena. therefore, sell at current $105 for tp at $90-95 for potential gains just for riding the wave down. enter from where the wave might end and go long this time. Q4 will be fireworks, it's now or never! does anyone have any insights or good speculations where price might head to for the coming employment report? let us know 🙏🏻

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Current expectations have the S&P 500 underperforming Treasurys by 9.9% annually over the next 12 years.Then there's investor sentiment, which Hussman measures through the uniformity of movement in thousands of securities. In the chart below, when the measure goes flat like in 2000 and 2008, it's historically been bad for stocks.Finally, there's the accumulation of warning signs of market over-extension that rivals prior major downturn periods. The individual warning signs that Hussman monitors are various technical indicators, like the S&P 500 being within 2% of its 5-year high while less than 72% of stocks are below their 200-day moving averages and 2.5% of stocks hit new both 52-week highs and lows at the same time, among other conflicting signals.Hussman's outlook is often seen as extreme, and perhaps fairly so. 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Can't understand your operation"}],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":364556959101112,"gmtCreate":1730013498056,"gmtModify":1730020460714,"author":{"id":"4119666992293742","authorId":"4119666992293742","name":"deryang","avatar":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/afa7c6f2b1ef836a98a01e71bd7219c5","crmLevel":3,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"4119666992293742","authorIdStr":"4119666992293742"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"does that mean to sell current SPY positions before this happens? when will it happen? pre-election or post -election?","listText":"does that mean to sell current SPY positions before this happens? when will it happen? pre-election or post -election?","text":"does that mean to sell current SPY positions before this happens? when will it happen? pre-election or post -election?","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/364556959101112","repostId":"2478979124","repostType":2,"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":58,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0}],"lives":[]}