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Why not say 20 years 30 years 40 years, so shallow just making the word counts. High school essay. 10 years later will just rebuff as speculation. Eating the essay soon?

Microsoft: Currently Overvalued, But It's Set To Be A Potential Outperformer Throughout 2033

06-28 21:41

ATH Wait for next year, the chance to come or dump

Is Apple a Better Once-in-a-Generation Investment Opportunity Than Nvidia Right Now?

06-15

Low balled by Apple

OpenAI CEO Says Company Could Become Benefit Corporation - The Information

06-15

Greed revealed

OpenAI CEO Says Company Could Become Benefit Corporation - The Information

06-13

Dont put apple together with nvidia. One Is self made, other is buy and self brand.

Buy Apple Stock, but Not for the Reason You Think

06-13

Say buy then say dont buy, so write something to tell you that not i say buy but also not i say dont buy when it moon.

Is Nvidia Stock a Buy After the 10-for-1 Stock Split?

06-11

They try to make it cheap so they can buy more, market manipulation at best

Nvidia's Stock Falls 2% After the 10-for-1 Stock Split Effective; AMD Falls 4% as Morgan Stanley Slashes Rating

06-10

Reuters love to repeats others' reports

Nvidia Sparks Chatter over Possible Dow Inclusion After Stock Split

05-27

Repeating paragraph, sound like in school making the word count.

Singapore Insurer’s Holders Seeking Better Offer From OCBC

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Eating the essay soon?","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":1,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/322800752656488","repostId":"2447608276","repostType":4,"repost":{"id":"2447608276","pubTimestamp":1719813642,"share":"https://www.laohu8.com/m/news/2447608276?lang=&edition=full","pubTime":"2024-07-01 14:00","market":"nz","language":"en","title":"Microsoft: Currently Overvalued, But It's Set To Be A Potential Outperformer Throughout 2033","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2447608276","media":"seekingalpha","summary":"Since Microsoft has too many segments, I will focus on the ones providing the most revenue: Cloud, Office Products and Licenses, and Windows OS. In the PaaS and IaaS cloud markets, Microsoft boasts a 24% market share, which puts Microsoft in second place behind Amazon.com, Inc.  which holds 31%. 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Statista Statista On the other ha","content":"<html><head></head><body><ul style=\"\"><li><p>Microsoft&#39;s valuation is upgraded from &#34;hold&#34; to &#34;buy&#34; with a near-term target of $417.30 and a 2033 target of $1,099.90, implying 14.6% annual returns.</p></li><li><p>The Company&#39;s growth is driven by its cloud business (Azure), and acquisitions like Activision-Blizzard.</p></li><li><p>MSFT holds a 24% cloud market share (second to Amazon&#39;s 31%) and dominates with a 72.17% share in the PC OS market.</p></li><li><p>Microsoft&#39;s TAM is expected to grow from $754.1B in 2024 to $1.70T by 2029, with the cloud segment driving most of the growth.</p></li><li><p>The valuation (which uses a DCF model) suggests 14.6% annual returns throughout 2033 (and could be higher if Azure grows faster than expected).</p></li></ul><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/993d2dbd835b83c14174232aa462c917\" tg-width=\"750\" tg-height=\"538\"/></p><p>InnaFelker</p><p></p><h2 id=\"id_1050932963\">Thesis</h2><p>In my previous article on Microsoft Corporation (NASDAQ:MSFT), I downgraded the stock from &#34;buy&#34; to &#34;hold&#34;, explaining that according to my models, Microsoft had reached a fair valuation when it was trading at $425.52 (which was 6.6% higher than my fair stock price estimate of $397.49). Furthermore, I suggested that the stock could reach a price of $701.68, translating into 10.50% annual returns throughout 2024-2029.</p><p>Microsoft released Q3 2024 earnings on April 25. For that quarter, Microsoft reported an EPS of $2.94 (3.8% higher than estimated) and revenues of $61.9B (1.65% higher than estimated).</p><p>After revising my valuation on Microsoft, I arrived at a near-term stock price target of $417.30, and a 2033 target of $1,099.90. The first number implies a 6.5% downside from the current stock price of $446.34, and the former, is 14.6% annual returns throughout 2024-2033 (which already sets Microsoft as an outperformer), furthermore, if Azure grows faster than the growth rate I used, Microsoft could become undervalued. Because of these reasons, I upgrade the stock from &#34;hold&#34; to &#34;buy&#34;.</p><h2 id=\"id_2779944536\">Overview</h2><h4 id=\"id_747025263\">Growth Plan</h4><p>Microsoft&#39;s recent growth primarily comes from its cloud business Azure. Microsoft has been doting Azure of AI capabilities by establishing new Data Centers, for instance, Microsoft is one of Nvidia Corporation&#39;s (NVDA) major clients.</p><p>Microsoft also acquires businesses related to its already established segments, such as when it bought Activision Blizzard, which owns games such as the Call of Duty franchise, Diablo, and Overwatch 2. This acquisition brought up a lot of scrutiny from regulators (particularly from the UK) since it helped Microsoft to create a network effect with its Xbox platform (which dominates the gaming consoles market along with the PlayStation and the Nintendo Switch).</p><h4 id=\"id_661735772\">How does Microsoft Compare Against Peers?</h4><p>Since Microsoft has too many segments, I will focus on the ones providing the most revenue: Cloud, Office Products and Licenses, and Windows OS.</p><p>In the PaaS and IaaS cloud markets, Microsoft boasts a 24% market share, which puts Microsoft in second place behind Amazon.com, Inc. (AMZN) which holds 31%. However, what sets Microsoft apart is that its market share increased by 4% since 2020 when it was 20%. Meanwhile, Amazon&#39;s market share lost 1%.</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/8ffaaa09600ecd94158b7f3d669e06f9\" tg-width=\"1200\" tg-height=\"1200\"/></p><p>Statista</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/c4cce7f5e06bcaeb53b641bc7ad3f71e\" tg-width=\"1280\" tg-height=\"720\"/></p><p>Statista</p><p></p><p>On the other hand, Microsoft Office holds a 30% market share, which is behind Alphabet, Inc. (GOOG)(GOOGL), which has 44%. This is because Google&#39;s Office version is free and enough for casual users such as students. However, Google Sheets (Google&#39;s version of Excel) lacks some crucial capabilities that Excel has.</p><p>Lastly, Windows continues to dominate the PC OS market, holding an impressive 72.17% market share. In second place, it&#39;s Apple (AAPL) with a 15.42% market share.</p><h4 id=\"id_166055940\">Industry Outlook &amp; Addressable Market</h4><p>The productivity &amp; business processes segment, comprises Office 365, on-premise office licenses, LinkedIn, and Dynamics 365 intelligent cloud. The business productivity market is expected to reach a $59.37B valuation in 2024 and $120.52B in 2029. This shows an annual CAGR of 15.29%.</p><p>Meanwhile, the Worldwide Public Cloud market is expected to have a market volume of $282.2B in 2024, which should increase to $1.06T in 2028, thus showcasing an annual growth rate of 11.37%. This is the market in which Microsoft&#39;s intelligent cloud segment is. This segment offers Azure, SQL servers, Windows Server, Visual Studio, System Center, and related licenses.</p><p>Lastly, the &#34;<strong>More Personal Computing</strong>&#34; segment, agglomerates very diverse products such as the Windows OS, Microsoft Surface devices, HoloLens, XBOX, Microsoft Edge, Bing search engine, and PC accessories such as mice and keyboards.</p><p>The worldwide gaming console market is expected to reach a $26.43B valuation for 2024 and $43.12B for 2029, translating into an 8.50% CAGR throughout that period.</p><p>Then, the global PC Accessories market is expected to reach a $27.58B valuation in 2024 and $48.9B in 2029, which is a 12.13% CAGR.</p><p>Then, I calculated Bing &amp; Microsoft Edge TAM to estimate the expected total internet users. For 2024TTM, Google Search Engine <strong>has $188.85B in revenues</strong>, which <strong>divided by</strong> the total <strong>users of 4.29K</strong>, yields a result of <strong>$43.99 per user</strong>. For 2024, the total <strong>number of internet users is estimated to be 5.25B</strong>. For 2029, that number should increase to 6.58 B. Therefore, what I did is that I assumed that Microsoft (to compete) will <strong>maintain the same revenue per user as Google</strong>. This means that Bing&#39;s TAM for 2024 would stand at around $231.12B, and will increase to $289.45B by 2029. Which <strong>showcases a 4.21% CAGR throughout that period</strong>.</p><p>With all these segments, Microsoft&#39;s <strong>current TAM is at $754.1B</strong>, and <strong>for 2029, the TAM should increase to $1.70T</strong>, which <strong>is a 21.11% annual growth</strong>. However, as was already expected, most of that TAM growth, comes from the Cloud because realistically, Microsoft Surface devices will have it difficult to grow, as well as PC accessories, and XBOX. After all, these three markets have what I will call &#34;an untouchable competitor&#34;.</p><p>In the case of PCs, if a programmer wants to program for Apple devices, he needs to do it in an Apple device (like a Mac), therefore entering the PC market for programmers is nearly impossible.</p><p>Meanwhile, in the case of accessories, there are gamer brands, and Microsoft does not make gaming keyboards and mice.</p><p>Lastly, for Xbox, the only way Microsoft would be able to concentrate the market is if Nintendo Co., Ltd. (OTCPK:NTDOY) licenses its content to Microsoft, and that will never happen, since Nintendo knows that this exclusivity is its moat.</p><table style=\"border-collapse:collapse;\"><colgroup><col/><col/><col/><col/></colgroup><tbody><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Segments</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>TAM 2024</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>TAM 2029</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>CAGR %</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Productivity &amp; Business Processes</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>59,270.0</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>120,520.0</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>15.25%</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Intelligent Cloud</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>282,200.0</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>1,060,000.0</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>15.66%</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Xbox</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>26,430.6</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>43,120.7</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p></p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>PC Accessories</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>27,580.0</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>48,900.0</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>12.13%</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Bing &amp; Microsoft Edge</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>231,123.5</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>289,454.2</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>4.21%</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Microsoft Surface Devices</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>127,500.0</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>147,386.5</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>3.69%</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Total</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>754,104.1</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>1,709,381.3</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>21.11%</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>CAGR%</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p></p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>21.11%</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p></p></td></tr></tbody></table><p>Click to enlarge</p><h2 id=\"id_2883581705\">Valuation</h2><p>I will value Microsoft through a DCF model. The first thing to be calculated will be the WACC, which I calculated with the already-known formula (and you can find a more detailed formula in the DCF model). The result was 11.35%.</p><p>Then, the D&amp;A margin will be projected with a margin tied to revenue, which came out at 6.52%.</p><p>Lastly, the CapEx margin throughout the projection will remain constant at 16.72%.</p><table style=\"border-collapse:collapse;\"><colgroup><col/><col/></colgroup><tbody><tr><td colspan=\"2\" style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>TABLE OF ASSUMPTIONS</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Equity Market Price</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>3,317,645.22</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Debt Value</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>106,229.00</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Cost of Debt</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2.60%</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Tax Rate</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>18.13%</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>10y Treasury</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>4.219%</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Beta</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>1.18</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Market Return</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>10.50%</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Cost of Equity</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>11.63%</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>CapEx</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>39,547.00</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Capex Margin</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>16.72%</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Net Income</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>86,181.00</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Interest</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2,762.00</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Tax</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>19,082.00</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>D&amp;A</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>15,420.00</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>EBITDA</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>123,445.00</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>D&amp;A Margin</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>6.52%</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Revenue</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>236,584.0</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>R&amp;D Expense Margin</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>17.05%</p></td></tr></tbody></table><p>Click to enlarge</p><p>The first thing is to calculate revenues, and the first segment I will calculate is <strong>Activision-Blizzard</strong>. For 2023, the now-acquired company generated $8.7B in revenues. Now, the problem is that it&#39;s impossible to predict which games are going to be a success and which not. Therefore, I will assume a conservative growth rate of 5.20%.</p><p>Then, the <strong>productivity &amp; business Processes,</strong> and <strong>Intelligent Cloud</strong> will grow in line with its market, by 15.25% and 15.66% respectively.</p><table style=\"border-collapse:collapse;\"><colgroup><col/><col/></colgroup><tbody><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p></p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Revenue of Activision</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Productivity &amp; Business Processes</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Intelligent Cloud</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2023</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>8,706.0</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>69,275.0</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>87,902.3</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2024</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>9,158.7</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>79,839.4</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>101,667.8</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2025</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>9,635.0</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>92,015.0</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>117,589.0</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2026</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>10,136.0</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>106,047.2</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>136,003.4</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2027</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>10,663.1</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>122,219.4</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>157,301.5</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2028</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>11,217.5</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>140,857.9</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>181,935.0</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2029</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>11,800.8</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>162,338.7</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>210,426.0</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2030</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>13,480.1</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>187,095.4</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>243,378.7</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2031</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>15,398.3</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>215,627.4</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>281,491.8</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2032</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>16,493.1</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>248,510.6</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>325,573.4</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2033</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>17,665.8</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>286,408.5</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>376,558.2</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Growth Rate %</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>5.20%</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>15.25%</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>15.66%</p></td></tr></tbody></table><p>Click to enlarge</p><p>Now, starting with the &#34;More Personal Computing&#34; segment I found that <strong>Xbox</strong> sales totaled $15.46B for 2023. This segment will also grow in line with its market, 8.50%.</p><p>On the other hand, <strong>Bing</strong> had a <strong>market share of around 10.53%</strong> in 2023 (which multiplied by the total amount of internet users in that year, means that Bing had around <strong>543.13M users</strong>). After dividing the estimated $12.21B in revenue generated by Bing in 2023, I got that this division could be generating <strong>around $22.48 per user</strong> (which is lower than Google&#39;s $36.29). Then, I multiply that $22.48 in revenues per user by the estimated internet users to get the revenue estimates. This also yields a growth rate of 4.59% for 2023-2029 which I will use to project revenue for 2030-2033.</p><table style=\"border-collapse:collapse;\"><colgroup><col/><col/></colgroup><tbody><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p></p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Internet Users</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Bing&#39;s Share</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2024</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>5,254.00</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>553.25</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2025</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>5,470.00</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>575.99</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2026</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>5,690.00</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>599.16</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2027</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>5,910.00</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>622.32</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2028</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>6,350.00</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>668.66</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2029</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>6,580.00</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>692.87</p></td></tr></tbody></table><p>Click to enlarge</p><p>Meanwhile, it&#39;s estimated that <strong>Microsoft Surface devices</strong>&#39; sales tanked by 30% for 2023, which generated losses of up to $1.8B. By doing the rule of three, I found that Microsoft <strong>would have generated $6B in revenues for 2023</strong>. This segment will grow in line with the worldwide laptop market at 3.69%.</p><p>Lastly, <strong>Windows operating system</strong> revenue is speculated to have been around $24.61B in 2023. This was calculated via the rule of three, since in 2023, Windows revenue fell by $3.2B which was 13%. Therefore, I calculated the 100% with that information. This segment will grow in line with the worldwide PC market at 1.13%.</p><p>However, these calculations for 2023 say that Microsoft generated $63.35B for the &#34;More Personal Computing&#34; segment, which is substantially more than the reported $54.73B. Therefore, I will divide the $19.3B difference by the 5 subsegments, and then subtract the $3.806B result from each of them, so I can be able to correct the difference from the resulting segment result with the actual segment result.</p><table style=\"border-collapse:collapse;\"><colgroup><col/><col/></colgroup><tbody><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p></p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Xbox</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>PC Accessories</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Bing &amp; Microsoft Edge</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Microsoft Surface Devices</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Windows Os</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2023</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>11,659.52</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>11,672.52</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>8,403.52</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2,193.52</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>20,808.52</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2024</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>12,650.58</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>13,088.40</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>12,436.97</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2,274.46</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>21,043.66</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2025</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>13,725.88</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>14,676.02</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>12,948.28</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2,358.39</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>21,281.45</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2026</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>14,892.58</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>16,456.22</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>13,469.05</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2,445.41</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>21,521.93</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2027</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>16,158.45</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>18,452.36</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>13,989.82</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2,535.65</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>21,765.13</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2028</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>17,531.92</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>20,690.63</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>15,031.36</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2,629.21</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>22,011.07</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2029</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>19,022.13</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>23,200.40</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>15,575.81</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2,726.23</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>22,259.80</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2030</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>20,639.01</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>26,014.61</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>17,791.43</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2,826.83</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>22,511.33</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2031</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>22,393.32</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>29,170.19</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>20,322.22</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2,931.14</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>22,765.71</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2032</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>24,296.76</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>32,708.53</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>23,213.01</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>3,039.30</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>23,022.97</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2033</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>26,361.98</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>36,676.07</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>26,515.01</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>3,151.45</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>23,283.12</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Growth Rate %</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>8.50%</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>12.13%</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>14.22%</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>3.69%</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>1.13%</p></td></tr></tbody></table><p>Click to enlarge</p><p>Then, I will calculate net income. The first step is <strong>gross income</strong>, which I will <strong>maintain</strong> the <strong>current gross margin of 69.89%</strong>. Meanwhile, general expenses will be tied to full-time employees. In 2023 general expenses were $27.19B, which was divided by the number of employees at that time of 221K. This resulted in an expense per employee of $120K (this is also an indication that Microsoft pays goods). Then I will <strong>assume</strong> that <strong>Microsoft</strong> will <strong>hire 19.33K new workers</strong> <strong>annually</strong>, in line with 2021-2023.</p><p>On the other hand, <strong>R&amp;D expenses</strong> will be calculated with a margin tied to gross income, which currently stands at 17.05%.</p><p>Then it&#39;s the time to calculate <strong>short &amp; long-term debt</strong> and interest income &amp; expenses. Short &amp; long-term debt will have annual changes in line with their 2018-20222 performance of 26.4%, and -8.7% respectively. Meanwhile, <strong>marketable securities</strong> will be growing at a <strong>4.2% annual rate</strong>.</p><p>Then, I found that in 2019, <strong>when</strong> interest <strong>rates were lower than now</strong>, <strong>Microsoft paid</strong> a <strong>3.11% interest on debt</strong> and <strong>received</strong> a <strong>2.26% annual return</strong> on <strong>its marketable securities</strong>.</p><p>However, for 2024TTM (<strong>when interest rates are high</strong>) Microsoft has paid a <strong>2.60% interest on debt</strong> (yes, lower than when interest rates were lower) and has <strong>received</strong> a <strong>5.67% return on marketable securities</strong>.</p><p>So with this information, I will <strong>assume an interest on a debt payment of 2.60%</strong> throughout the project. Then I will assume that for 2024 and 2027 Microsoft will receive a 5.67% return on its marketable securities and for the other years, it will receive 2.26%. This is because <strong>I am expecting that for 2024 and 2027, interest rates will increase again</strong>. If you want to read the full explanation, you can check the valuation section of my article on JPMorgan Chase &amp; Co. (JPM).</p><p>Nevertheless, <strong>for 2030-2033</strong>, I will use <strong>the average marketable securities annual return of 3.96%</strong> (the average of 5.67% and 2.26%) since I have not made an interest rates projection for the years beyond 2029.</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/a3392d113dc4ba4877f8acbef1242006\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"204\"/></p><p>Author&#39;s Calculations</p><p></p><table style=\"border-collapse:collapse;\"><colgroup><col/><col/></colgroup><tbody><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p></p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Revenue</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Net Income</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Plus Taxes</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Plus D&amp;A</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Plus Interest</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2024</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$252,160.0</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$96,208.66</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$121,411.75</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$137,846.96</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$140,091.07</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2025</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$284,228.9</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$106,918.84</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$134,927.57</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$151,362.78</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$153,846.25</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2026</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$320,971.8</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$121,768.87</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$153,667.72</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$174,587.92</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$177,522.65</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2027</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$363,085.4</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$141,490.60</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$178,555.78</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$202,220.85</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$205,652.88</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2028</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$411,904.6</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$159,289.99</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$201,017.91</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$227,864.90</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$231,956.74</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2029</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$467,349.9</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$182,609.20</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$230,228.11</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$260,688.91</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$265,614.55</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2030</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$533,737.4</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$211,816.29</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$267,304.04</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$302,091.82</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$308,071.13</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2031</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$610,100.1</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$244,241.04</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$308,222.81</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$347,987.73</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$355,298.55</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2032</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$696,857.7</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$281,168.43</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$354,823.73</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$400,243.31</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$409,236.74</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2033</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$796,620.1</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$323,724.30</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$408,527.57</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$460,449.44</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$471,569.18</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p></p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p></p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p></p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p></p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p></p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>^Final EBITA^</p></td></tr></tbody></table><p>Click to enlarge</p><p>Then, I assume that <strong>current assets</strong> <strong>will grow at 1.72%</strong>, thus mirroring the performance during 2018-2022. Then, with this, I use the undiscounted cash flows highlighted in green and add the future equity value, which is composed of the future short &amp; long-term debt, current assets, and marketable securities.</p><p>Lastly, the <strong>perpetuity growth rate</strong> in the model <strong>is 1.82%</strong>. This number was calculated by dividing the resulting free cash flow growth rate from the projection (25.07%) and dividing it by the difference between it and the WACC of 11.35% (<strong>25.07%/(25.07%-11.35%)=1.82%</strong>).</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/bf10435f50c20656579b988a32525d88\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"505\"/></p><p>Author&#39;s Calculations</p><p></p><p>As you can see, the model suggests that the stock (today) should be trading at $417.30, which is 6.5% below the current stock price of $446.34. For the future, the model suggests that the stock could be trading at $1,099.90 in 2033. Yes, that&#39;s a 146.4% upside from the current stock price, however when dividing that by the 10 years until the end of 2033, you get 14.6% annual returns.</p><h4 id=\"id_2386006103\">What if Azure could grow at 20-25% annually?</h4><p>If I increase Azure revenue growth from 15.66% to 20%, then the present fair price of Microsoft would be $484.22 (which is 8.5% above the current stock price), and a 2033 stock price target of $1,287.45 (which suggests 18.8% annual returns).</p><p>Then, If I increase that 20% revenue growth to 25%, the present fair price increases to $600.74 and the future price to $1,617.07. The first number indicates a 34.6% undervaluation of Microsoft&#39;s stock, and the future price indicates 26.2% annual returns throughout 2033.</p><h4 id=\"id_4161173946\">But, is that possible?</h4><p>Since 2015, Intelligent Cloud has only surpassed the 30% growth rate in 2021. The average revenue growth rate of this segment has been 17.74%, which is slightly lower than the first 20% hypothetical scenario, and 7.26% lower than the second 25% hypothetical scenario.</p><table style=\"border-collapse:collapse;\"><colgroup><col/><col/><col/></colgroup><tbody><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p></p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Annual Revenue of Microsoft&#39;s Intelligent Cloud</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Change %</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2015</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>23684</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p></p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2016</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>25040</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>5.73%</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2017</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>27400</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>9.42%</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2018</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>32230</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>17.63%</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2019</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>38990</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>20.97%</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2020</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>44450</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>14.00%</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2021</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>60000</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>34.98%</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2022</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>74700</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>24.50%</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2023</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>86930</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>16.37%</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2024 TTM</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>100850</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>16.01%</p></td></tr></tbody></table><p>Click to enlarge</p><p>It&#39;s also worth noting that if I take out 2015 and 2016, the average Azure annual growth rate increases to 20.64%. However, the problem is that, in the past, when the cloud market was growing faster, Azure just achieved a growth rate of over 20% in 2019, 2021, and 2022. Thus, there&#39;s more probability that Azure will grow below the required 20% (which would make Microsoft undervalued by a mere 8.5%)</p><p>Nevertheless, it&#39;s good that even with the 15.66% originally used in this projection, the suggested annual return of 14.6% is still above the historic 10.50% annual returns of the market, which sets Microsoft to be an outperformer, even if the stock price decreased by 6.5% to adjust to my fair stock price estimate of $417.30.</p><h2 id=\"id_88032998\">Risks to Thesis</h2><p>The main risk for my thesis is that Microsoft suddenly can achieve that high 30% growth rate that is required for a fair stock price of $496.21. This may be the reason why Microsoft&#39;s stock has been increasing past my fair stock price estimates because the optimism on Azure has passed the logical boundary.</p><p>However, I think that there are more risks related to Microsoft than to my thesis, for example, Microsoft would have it very difficult to perform any big-scale acquisition such as the Activision one.</p><p>Then, there is also the risk that Microsoft is more prone to lose market share than to gain it, yes Azure has grown its market share by 4% since 2020. However, that will be very difficult for Windows, or Microsoft Office. At best, what Microsoft could do is to boost the sales of Surface devices, however, the problem with that is the differentiation factor. What happened with <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/IBM\">IBM</a> is that its PCs were made by third-party components to which the competition could also access, and then its computers lost ground to cheaper alternatives, and the same thing happens today.</p><h2 id=\"id_2019918090\">Evolution of My Fair Price Estimates</h2><p>Since my first coverage on Microsoft, my fair price estimate has increased by 12.29%. Concerning my previous coverage, the reason for the increase from $397.49 to the present $417.30, the model I did in this article, covers 10 years, and not 6 as the previous one did. The main effect is that the total amount of cash flows increases in the model, which ultimately leads to an increased fair stock price.</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/d985bec6886950475008be2ad5790621\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"417\"/></p><p>Author&#39;s Calculations</p><p></p><h2 id=\"id_1324337767\">Conclusion</h2><p>In conclusion, Microsoft continues to be overvalued, however, Microsoft&#39;s current valuation (despite a 6.5% overvaluation) is a good point to enter (in my opinion) and wait for Azure to deliver higher returns than the 15.66% used for my estimates. The suggested annual returns in my base model are 14.6% (which already sets Microsoft as an outperformer against the market&#39;s 10.50% annual return average).</p><p>Lastly, I assigned a near-term target for Microsoft&#39;s stock at $417.30, which is 6.5% below the current stock price of $446.34, and a 2033 stock price target at $1,099.90, which implies a 14.6% annual return throughout the 10 years.</p></body></html>","source":"seekingalpha","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Microsoft: Currently Overvalued, But It's Set To Be A Potential Outperformer Throughout 2033</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; 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Furthermore, I suggested that the stock could reach a price of $701.68, translating into 10.50% annual returns throughout 2024-2029.Microsoft released Q3 2024 earnings on April 25. For that quarter, Microsoft reported an EPS of $2.94 (3.8% higher than estimated) and revenues of $61.9B (1.65% higher than estimated).After revising my valuation on Microsoft, I arrived at a near-term stock price target of $417.30, and a 2033 target of $1,099.90. The first number implies a 6.5% downside from the current stock price of $446.34, and the former, is 14.6% annual returns throughout 2024-2033 (which already sets Microsoft as an outperformer), furthermore, if Azure grows faster than the growth rate I used, Microsoft could become undervalued. Because of these reasons, I upgrade the stock from \"hold\" to \"buy\".OverviewGrowth PlanMicrosoft's recent growth primarily comes from its cloud business Azure. Microsoft has been doting Azure of AI capabilities by establishing new Data Centers, for instance, Microsoft is one of Nvidia Corporation's (NVDA) major clients.Microsoft also acquires businesses related to its already established segments, such as when it bought Activision Blizzard, which owns games such as the Call of Duty franchise, Diablo, and Overwatch 2. This acquisition brought up a lot of scrutiny from regulators (particularly from the UK) since it helped Microsoft to create a network effect with its Xbox platform (which dominates the gaming consoles market along with the PlayStation and the Nintendo Switch).How does Microsoft Compare Against Peers?Since Microsoft has too many segments, I will focus on the ones providing the most revenue: Cloud, Office Products and Licenses, and Windows OS.In the PaaS and IaaS cloud markets, Microsoft boasts a 24% market share, which puts Microsoft in second place behind Amazon.com, Inc. (AMZN) which holds 31%. However, what sets Microsoft apart is that its market share increased by 4% since 2020 when it was 20%. Meanwhile, Amazon's market share lost 1%.StatistaStatistaOn the other hand, Microsoft Office holds a 30% market share, which is behind Alphabet, Inc. (GOOG)(GOOGL), which has 44%. This is because Google's Office version is free and enough for casual users such as students. However, Google Sheets (Google's version of Excel) lacks some crucial capabilities that Excel has.Lastly, Windows continues to dominate the PC OS market, holding an impressive 72.17% market share. In second place, it's Apple (AAPL) with a 15.42% market share.Industry Outlook & Addressable MarketThe productivity & business processes segment, comprises Office 365, on-premise office licenses, LinkedIn, and Dynamics 365 intelligent cloud. The business productivity market is expected to reach a $59.37B valuation in 2024 and $120.52B in 2029. This shows an annual CAGR of 15.29%.Meanwhile, the Worldwide Public Cloud market is expected to have a market volume of $282.2B in 2024, which should increase to $1.06T in 2028, thus showcasing an annual growth rate of 11.37%. This is the market in which Microsoft's intelligent cloud segment is. This segment offers Azure, SQL servers, Windows Server, Visual Studio, System Center, and related licenses.Lastly, the \"More Personal Computing\" segment, agglomerates very diverse products such as the Windows OS, Microsoft Surface devices, HoloLens, XBOX, Microsoft Edge, Bing search engine, and PC accessories such as mice and keyboards.The worldwide gaming console market is expected to reach a $26.43B valuation for 2024 and $43.12B for 2029, translating into an 8.50% CAGR throughout that period.Then, the global PC Accessories market is expected to reach a $27.58B valuation in 2024 and $48.9B in 2029, which is a 12.13% CAGR.Then, I calculated Bing & Microsoft Edge TAM to estimate the expected total internet users. For 2024TTM, Google Search Engine has $188.85B in revenues, which divided by the total users of 4.29K, yields a result of $43.99 per user. For 2024, the total number of internet users is estimated to be 5.25B. For 2029, that number should increase to 6.58 B. Therefore, what I did is that I assumed that Microsoft (to compete) will maintain the same revenue per user as Google. This means that Bing's TAM for 2024 would stand at around $231.12B, and will increase to $289.45B by 2029. Which showcases a 4.21% CAGR throughout that period.With all these segments, Microsoft's current TAM is at $754.1B, and for 2029, the TAM should increase to $1.70T, which is a 21.11% annual growth. However, as was already expected, most of that TAM growth, comes from the Cloud because realistically, Microsoft Surface devices will have it difficult to grow, as well as PC accessories, and XBOX. After all, these three markets have what I will call \"an untouchable competitor\".In the case of PCs, if a programmer wants to program for Apple devices, he needs to do it in an Apple device (like a Mac), therefore entering the PC market for programmers is nearly impossible.Meanwhile, in the case of accessories, there are gamer brands, and Microsoft does not make gaming keyboards and mice.Lastly, for Xbox, the only way Microsoft would be able to concentrate the market is if Nintendo Co., Ltd. (OTCPK:NTDOY) licenses its content to Microsoft, and that will never happen, since Nintendo knows that this exclusivity is its moat.SegmentsTAM 2024TAM 2029CAGR %Productivity & Business Processes59,270.0120,520.015.25%Intelligent Cloud282,200.01,060,000.015.66%Xbox26,430.643,120.7PC Accessories27,580.048,900.012.13%Bing & Microsoft Edge231,123.5289,454.24.21%Microsoft Surface Devices127,500.0147,386.53.69%Total754,104.11,709,381.321.11%CAGR%21.11%Click to enlargeValuationI will value Microsoft through a DCF model. The first thing to be calculated will be the WACC, which I calculated with the already-known formula (and you can find a more detailed formula in the DCF model). The result was 11.35%.Then, the D&A margin will be projected with a margin tied to revenue, which came out at 6.52%.Lastly, the CapEx margin throughout the projection will remain constant at 16.72%.TABLE OF ASSUMPTIONSEquity Market Price3,317,645.22Debt Value106,229.00Cost of Debt2.60%Tax Rate18.13%10y Treasury4.219%Beta1.18Market Return10.50%Cost of Equity11.63%CapEx39,547.00Capex Margin16.72%Net Income86,181.00Interest2,762.00Tax19,082.00D&A15,420.00EBITDA123,445.00D&A Margin6.52%Revenue236,584.0R&D Expense Margin17.05%Click to enlargeThe first thing is to calculate revenues, and the first segment I will calculate is Activision-Blizzard. For 2023, the now-acquired company generated $8.7B in revenues. Now, the problem is that it's impossible to predict which games are going to be a success and which not. Therefore, I will assume a conservative growth rate of 5.20%.Then, the productivity & business Processes, and Intelligent Cloud will grow in line with its market, by 15.25% and 15.66% respectively.Revenue of ActivisionProductivity & Business ProcessesIntelligent Cloud20238,706.069,275.087,902.320249,158.779,839.4101,667.820259,635.092,015.0117,589.0202610,136.0106,047.2136,003.4202710,663.1122,219.4157,301.5202811,217.5140,857.9181,935.0202911,800.8162,338.7210,426.0203013,480.1187,095.4243,378.7203115,398.3215,627.4281,491.8203216,493.1248,510.6325,573.4203317,665.8286,408.5376,558.2Growth Rate %5.20%15.25%15.66%Click to enlargeNow, starting with the \"More Personal Computing\" segment I found that Xbox sales totaled $15.46B for 2023. This segment will also grow in line with its market, 8.50%.On the other hand, Bing had a market share of around 10.53% in 2023 (which multiplied by the total amount of internet users in that year, means that Bing had around 543.13M users). After dividing the estimated $12.21B in revenue generated by Bing in 2023, I got that this division could be generating around $22.48 per user (which is lower than Google's $36.29). Then, I multiply that $22.48 in revenues per user by the estimated internet users to get the revenue estimates. This also yields a growth rate of 4.59% for 2023-2029 which I will use to project revenue for 2030-2033.Internet UsersBing's Share20245,254.00553.2520255,470.00575.9920265,690.00599.1620275,910.00622.3220286,350.00668.6620296,580.00692.87Click to enlargeMeanwhile, it's estimated that Microsoft Surface devices' sales tanked by 30% for 2023, which generated losses of up to $1.8B. By doing the rule of three, I found that Microsoft would have generated $6B in revenues for 2023. This segment will grow in line with the worldwide laptop market at 3.69%.Lastly, Windows operating system revenue is speculated to have been around $24.61B in 2023. This was calculated via the rule of three, since in 2023, Windows revenue fell by $3.2B which was 13%. Therefore, I calculated the 100% with that information. This segment will grow in line with the worldwide PC market at 1.13%.However, these calculations for 2023 say that Microsoft generated $63.35B for the \"More Personal Computing\" segment, which is substantially more than the reported $54.73B. Therefore, I will divide the $19.3B difference by the 5 subsegments, and then subtract the $3.806B result from each of them, so I can be able to correct the difference from the resulting segment result with the actual segment result.XboxPC AccessoriesBing & Microsoft EdgeMicrosoft Surface DevicesWindows Os202311,659.5211,672.528,403.522,193.5220,808.52202412,650.5813,088.4012,436.972,274.4621,043.66202513,725.8814,676.0212,948.282,358.3921,281.45202614,892.5816,456.2213,469.052,445.4121,521.93202716,158.4518,452.3613,989.822,535.6521,765.13202817,531.9220,690.6315,031.362,629.2122,011.07202919,022.1323,200.4015,575.812,726.2322,259.80203020,639.0126,014.6117,791.432,826.8322,511.33203122,393.3229,170.1920,322.222,931.1422,765.71203224,296.7632,708.5323,213.013,039.3023,022.97203326,361.9836,676.0726,515.013,151.4523,283.12Growth Rate %8.50%12.13%14.22%3.69%1.13%Click to enlargeThen, I will calculate net income. The first step is gross income, which I will maintain the current gross margin of 69.89%. Meanwhile, general expenses will be tied to full-time employees. In 2023 general expenses were $27.19B, which was divided by the number of employees at that time of 221K. This resulted in an expense per employee of $120K (this is also an indication that Microsoft pays goods). Then I will assume that Microsoft will hire 19.33K new workers annually, in line with 2021-2023.On the other hand, R&D expenses will be calculated with a margin tied to gross income, which currently stands at 17.05%.Then it's the time to calculate short & long-term debt and interest income & expenses. Short & long-term debt will have annual changes in line with their 2018-20222 performance of 26.4%, and -8.7% respectively. Meanwhile, marketable securities will be growing at a 4.2% annual rate.Then, I found that in 2019, when interest rates were lower than now, Microsoft paid a 3.11% interest on debt and received a 2.26% annual return on its marketable securities.However, for 2024TTM (when interest rates are high) Microsoft has paid a 2.60% interest on debt (yes, lower than when interest rates were lower) and has received a 5.67% return on marketable securities.So with this information, I will assume an interest on a debt payment of 2.60% throughout the project. Then I will assume that for 2024 and 2027 Microsoft will receive a 5.67% return on its marketable securities and for the other years, it will receive 2.26%. This is because I am expecting that for 2024 and 2027, interest rates will increase again. If you want to read the full explanation, you can check the valuation section of my article on JPMorgan Chase & Co. (JPM).Nevertheless, for 2030-2033, I will use the average marketable securities annual return of 3.96% (the average of 5.67% and 2.26%) since I have not made an interest rates projection for the years beyond 2029.Author's CalculationsRevenueNet IncomePlus TaxesPlus D&APlus Interest2024$252,160.0$96,208.66$121,411.75$137,846.96$140,091.072025$284,228.9$106,918.84$134,927.57$151,362.78$153,846.252026$320,971.8$121,768.87$153,667.72$174,587.92$177,522.652027$363,085.4$141,490.60$178,555.78$202,220.85$205,652.882028$411,904.6$159,289.99$201,017.91$227,864.90$231,956.742029$467,349.9$182,609.20$230,228.11$260,688.91$265,614.552030$533,737.4$211,816.29$267,304.04$302,091.82$308,071.132031$610,100.1$244,241.04$308,222.81$347,987.73$355,298.552032$696,857.7$281,168.43$354,823.73$400,243.31$409,236.742033$796,620.1$323,724.30$408,527.57$460,449.44$471,569.18^Final EBITA^Click to enlargeThen, I assume that current assets will grow at 1.72%, thus mirroring the performance during 2018-2022. Then, with this, I use the undiscounted cash flows highlighted in green and add the future equity value, which is composed of the future short & long-term debt, current assets, and marketable securities.Lastly, the perpetuity growth rate in the model is 1.82%. This number was calculated by dividing the resulting free cash flow growth rate from the projection (25.07%) and dividing it by the difference between it and the WACC of 11.35% (25.07%/(25.07%-11.35%)=1.82%).Author's CalculationsAs you can see, the model suggests that the stock (today) should be trading at $417.30, which is 6.5% below the current stock price of $446.34. For the future, the model suggests that the stock could be trading at $1,099.90 in 2033. Yes, that's a 146.4% upside from the current stock price, however when dividing that by the 10 years until the end of 2033, you get 14.6% annual returns.What if Azure could grow at 20-25% annually?If I increase Azure revenue growth from 15.66% to 20%, then the present fair price of Microsoft would be $484.22 (which is 8.5% above the current stock price), and a 2033 stock price target of $1,287.45 (which suggests 18.8% annual returns).Then, If I increase that 20% revenue growth to 25%, the present fair price increases to $600.74 and the future price to $1,617.07. The first number indicates a 34.6% undervaluation of Microsoft's stock, and the future price indicates 26.2% annual returns throughout 2033.But, is that possible?Since 2015, Intelligent Cloud has only surpassed the 30% growth rate in 2021. The average revenue growth rate of this segment has been 17.74%, which is slightly lower than the first 20% hypothetical scenario, and 7.26% lower than the second 25% hypothetical scenario.Annual Revenue of Microsoft's Intelligent CloudChange %2015236842016250405.73%2017274009.42%20183223017.63%20193899020.97%20204445014.00%20216000034.98%20227470024.50%20238693016.37%2024 TTM10085016.01%Click to enlargeIt's also worth noting that if I take out 2015 and 2016, the average Azure annual growth rate increases to 20.64%. However, the problem is that, in the past, when the cloud market was growing faster, Azure just achieved a growth rate of over 20% in 2019, 2021, and 2022. Thus, there's more probability that Azure will grow below the required 20% (which would make Microsoft undervalued by a mere 8.5%)Nevertheless, it's good that even with the 15.66% originally used in this projection, the suggested annual return of 14.6% is still above the historic 10.50% annual returns of the market, which sets Microsoft to be an outperformer, even if the stock price decreased by 6.5% to adjust to my fair stock price estimate of $417.30.Risks to ThesisThe main risk for my thesis is that Microsoft suddenly can achieve that high 30% growth rate that is required for a fair stock price of $496.21. This may be the reason why Microsoft's stock has been increasing past my fair stock price estimates because the optimism on Azure has passed the logical boundary.However, I think that there are more risks related to Microsoft than to my thesis, for example, Microsoft would have it very difficult to perform any big-scale acquisition such as the Activision one.Then, there is also the risk that Microsoft is more prone to lose market share than to gain it, yes Azure has grown its market share by 4% since 2020. However, that will be very difficult for Windows, or Microsoft Office. At best, what Microsoft could do is to boost the sales of Surface devices, however, the problem with that is the differentiation factor. What happened with IBM is that its PCs were made by third-party components to which the competition could also access, and then its computers lost ground to cheaper alternatives, and the same thing happens today.Evolution of My Fair Price EstimatesSince my first coverage on Microsoft, my fair price estimate has increased by 12.29%. Concerning my previous coverage, the reason for the increase from $397.49 to the present $417.30, the model I did in this article, covers 10 years, and not 6 as the previous one did. The main effect is that the total amount of cash flows increases in the model, which ultimately leads to an increased fair stock price.Author's CalculationsConclusionIn conclusion, Microsoft continues to be overvalued, however, Microsoft's current valuation (despite a 6.5% overvaluation) is a good point to enter (in my opinion) and wait for Azure to deliver higher returns than the 15.66% used for my estimates. The suggested annual returns in my base model are 14.6% (which already sets Microsoft as an outperformer against the market's 10.50% annual return average).Lastly, I assigned a near-term target for Microsoft's stock at $417.30, which is 6.5% below the current stock price of $446.34, and a 2033 stock price target at $1,099.90, which implies a 14.6% annual return throughout the 10 years.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":0,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":321747277246640,"gmtCreate":1719582064467,"gmtModify":1719582068517,"author":{"id":"4164272763224692","authorId":"4164272763224692","name":"OngJH","avatar":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":2,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false},"themes":[],"htmlText":"ATH Wait for next year, the chance to come or dump","listText":"ATH Wait for next year, the chance to come or dump","text":"ATH Wait for next year, the chance to come or dump","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":6,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/321747277246640","repostId":"2446581837","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"2446581837","pubTimestamp":1719579600,"share":"https://www.laohu8.com/m/news/2446581837?lang=&edition=full","pubTime":"2024-06-28 21:00","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Is Apple a Better Once-in-a-Generation Investment Opportunity Than Nvidia Right Now?","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2446581837","media":"Motley Fool","summary":"Both of these stocks have massive AI tailwinds.","content":"<html><head></head><body><ul style=\"\"><li><p>Apple has a huge opportunity in edge AI -- running AI on its devices.</p></li><li><p>Nvidia could continue to grow tremendously as more powerful AI technology requires faster AI chips.</p></li><li><p>Nvidia has been the bigger winner in recent years, but Apple could outperform going forward.</p></li></ul><p><strong>Apple</strong>&#39;s initial launch of the iPhone was arguably a once-in-a-generation investing opportunity. The world changed afterward -- and Apple&#39;s share price skyrocketed.</p><p>Many investors probably also view the introduction of ChatGPT as a once-in-a-generation investing opportunity with <strong>Nvidia</strong>. The demand for the company&#39;s graphics processing units (GPUs) in powering generative artificial intelligence (AI) applications took off and hasn&#39;t slowed since.</p><p>By definition, such moments with Apple and Nvidia are rare. However, no rule says a company can&#39;t have multiple game-changing catalysts during its lifetime. Perhaps both Apple and Nvidia are once again presenting once-in-a-generation opportunities. If so, is Apple a better pick than Nvidia for investors right now?</p><h2 id=\"id_514477193\">Apple&#39;s and Nvidia&#39;s new opportunities</h2><p>The &#34;new&#34; has long worn off the iPhone. Apple hasn&#39;t rolled out truly head-turning technology improvements to its popular smartphone in years. As a result, iPhone upgrades have slowed considerably.</p><p>However, Apple&#39;s introduction of its new AI capabilities (called Apple Intelligence) could be a major turning point. Thus far, most AI functionality has run in the cloud. With Apple Intelligence, though, AI runs locally on the company&#39;s devices.</p><p>This approach is known as edge AI. It could be a massive new market opportunity that some analysts believe will spur an iPhone upgrade super cycle.</p><p>Unsurprisingly, Nvidia&#39;s new opportunity is also related to AI, and it&#39;s more of an extension of the company&#39;s current opportunity than anything entirely new. Nvidia&#39;s next wave of growth could come from an acceleration of AI capabilities that achieves or comes close to achieving artificial general intelligence (AGI) -- a form of AI that matches or exceeds human-level performance.</p><p>More powerful AI systems will undoubtedly require more powerful AI chips. Nvidia&#39;s GPUs continue to set the bar for performance.</p><h2 id=\"id_164152323\">Potential scenarios</h2><p>How could these AI opportunities pan out for Apple and Nvidia? Let&#39;s look at two potential scenarios -- one optimistic and the other pessimistic.</p><p>In an optimistic future, Apple&#39;s customers will flock to upgrade their iPhones and iPads to take advantage of the company&#39;s new AI features. Apple will continue to add capabilities regularly, attracting new customers who switch from rival smartphones. The company will return to double-digit growth and its iPhone ecosystem will become more valuable than ever.</p><p>Nvidia will continue to launch faster and faster chips. The pace of the company&#39;s innovation will be so rapid that no competitor will be able to keep up. As AI grows more powerful, Nvidia&#39;s technology will enjoy increasingly greater demand. The company&#39;s revenue, profits, and share price will soar.</p><p>In the pessimistic scenario, however, customers will ultimately view Apple Intelligence as merely a novelty. There&#39;ll be an initial modest uptick in iPhone upgrades, but nothing more. Apple&#39;s growth will be sluggish, at best, and its stock will flounder for years as a once-great company loses its way.</p><p>As for Nvidia, AGI or anything close to it may prove to be much more difficult to achieve than imagined. Large language models (LLMs) will reach a plateau in capability, and the demand for AI chips will decline with companies not seeing the desired return on investment.</p><p>Meanwhile, Nvidia&#39;s rivals and large cloud customers will roll out their own chips that are less expensive and compare favorably on performance with Nvidia&#39;s GPUs. Nvidia&#39;s market share -- and share price -- will fall sharply.</p><h2 id=\"id_2598065434\">Apple or Nvidia?</h2><p>Nvidia has clearly been the better stock in recent years and so far in 2024. But could Apple deliver greater gains going forward? Maybe.</p><p>I think the optimistic scenario (or something fairly close to it) is more likely for Apple than the pessimistic scenario. Although Apple&#39;s valuation is high, it doesn&#39;t have nearly as much projected growth baked in as Nvidia&#39;s does.</p><p>Some aspects of the pessimistic scenario for Nvidia also seem quite possible. AGI could be much further away than some predict. Other chipmakers are already aiming to challenge Nvidia&#39;s AI chip dominance.</p><p>If the optimistic scenarios play out for both Apple and Nvidia, I believe Nvidia will continue to be the bigger winner. However, I think the pessimistic scenario is less likely for Apple than for Nvidia.</p><p>I won&#39;t claim unequivocally that Apple is a better once-in-a-generation investment opportunity than Nvidia. My view is that both stocks should perform well for long-term investors. But for more cautious investors, Apple looks like the better pick.</p></body></html>","source":"fool_stock","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Is Apple a Better Once-in-a-Generation Investment Opportunity Than Nvidia Right Now?</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; 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The world changed afterward -- and Apple's share price skyrocketed.Many investors probably also view the introduction of ChatGPT as a once-in-a-generation investing opportunity with Nvidia. The demand for the company's graphics processing units (GPUs) in powering generative artificial intelligence (AI) applications took off and hasn't slowed since.By definition, such moments with Apple and Nvidia are rare. However, no rule says a company can't have multiple game-changing catalysts during its lifetime. Perhaps both Apple and Nvidia are once again presenting once-in-a-generation opportunities. If so, is Apple a better pick than Nvidia for investors right now?Apple's and Nvidia's new opportunitiesThe \"new\" has long worn off the iPhone. Apple hasn't rolled out truly head-turning technology improvements to its popular smartphone in years. As a result, iPhone upgrades have slowed considerably.However, Apple's introduction of its new AI capabilities (called Apple Intelligence) could be a major turning point. Thus far, most AI functionality has run in the cloud. With Apple Intelligence, though, AI runs locally on the company's devices.This approach is known as edge AI. It could be a massive new market opportunity that some analysts believe will spur an iPhone upgrade super cycle.Unsurprisingly, Nvidia's new opportunity is also related to AI, and it's more of an extension of the company's current opportunity than anything entirely new. Nvidia's next wave of growth could come from an acceleration of AI capabilities that achieves or comes close to achieving artificial general intelligence (AGI) -- a form of AI that matches or exceeds human-level performance.More powerful AI systems will undoubtedly require more powerful AI chips. Nvidia's GPUs continue to set the bar for performance.Potential scenariosHow could these AI opportunities pan out for Apple and Nvidia? Let's look at two potential scenarios -- one optimistic and the other pessimistic.In an optimistic future, Apple's customers will flock to upgrade their iPhones and iPads to take advantage of the company's new AI features. Apple will continue to add capabilities regularly, attracting new customers who switch from rival smartphones. The company will return to double-digit growth and its iPhone ecosystem will become more valuable than ever.Nvidia will continue to launch faster and faster chips. The pace of the company's innovation will be so rapid that no competitor will be able to keep up. As AI grows more powerful, Nvidia's technology will enjoy increasingly greater demand. The company's revenue, profits, and share price will soar.In the pessimistic scenario, however, customers will ultimately view Apple Intelligence as merely a novelty. There'll be an initial modest uptick in iPhone upgrades, but nothing more. Apple's growth will be sluggish, at best, and its stock will flounder for years as a once-great company loses its way.As for Nvidia, AGI or anything close to it may prove to be much more difficult to achieve than imagined. Large language models (LLMs) will reach a plateau in capability, and the demand for AI chips will decline with companies not seeing the desired return on investment.Meanwhile, Nvidia's rivals and large cloud customers will roll out their own chips that are less expensive and compare favorably on performance with Nvidia's GPUs. Nvidia's market share -- and share price -- will fall sharply.Apple or Nvidia?Nvidia has clearly been the better stock in recent years and so far in 2024. But could Apple deliver greater gains going forward? Maybe.I think the optimistic scenario (or something fairly close to it) is more likely for Apple than the pessimistic scenario. Although Apple's valuation is high, it doesn't have nearly as much projected growth baked in as Nvidia's does.Some aspects of the pessimistic scenario for Nvidia also seem quite possible. AGI could be much further away than some predict. Other chipmakers are already aiming to challenge Nvidia's AI chip dominance.If the optimistic scenarios play out for both Apple and Nvidia, I believe Nvidia will continue to be the bigger winner. However, I think the pessimistic scenario is less likely for Apple than for Nvidia.I won't claim unequivocally that Apple is a better once-in-a-generation investment opportunity than Nvidia. My view is that both stocks should perform well for long-term investors. But for more cautious investors, Apple looks like the better pick.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":1,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":316926368170072,"gmtCreate":1718413643801,"gmtModify":1718413647362,"author":{"id":"4164272763224692","authorId":"4164272763224692","name":"OngJH","avatar":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":2,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false},"themes":[],"htmlText":"Low balled by Apple","listText":"Low balled by Apple","text":"Low balled by Apple","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":1,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/316926368170072","repostId":"2443987299","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"2443987299","weMediaInfo":{"introduction":"Reuters.com brings you the latest news from around the world, covering breaking news in markets, business, politics, entertainment and technology","home_visible":1,"media_name":"Reuters","id":"1036604489","head_image":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/443ce19704621c837795676028cec868"},"pubTimestamp":1718413021,"share":"https://www.laohu8.com/m/news/2443987299?lang=&edition=full","pubTime":"2024-06-15 08:57","market":"us","language":"en","title":"OpenAI CEO Says Company Could Become Benefit Corporation - The Information","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2443987299","media":"Reuters","summary":"June 14  - OpenAI CEO Sam Altman told some shareholders that the company is considering changing its governance structure to a for-profit business that OpenAI's nonprofit board doesn't control, The Information reported on Friday.One scenario Altman said the board is considering is a for-profit benefit corporation, which rivals such as Anthropic and xAI are using, the report said, citing a person who heard the comments.OpenAI did not immediately respond to Reuters request for comment.","content":"<html><head></head><body><p>June 14 (Reuters) - OpenAI CEO Sam Altman told some shareholders that the company is considering changing its governance structure to a for-profit business that OpenAI&#39;s nonprofit board doesn&#39;t control, The Information reported on Friday.</p><p>One scenario Altman said the board is considering is a for-profit benefit corporation, which rivals such as Anthropic and xAI are using, the report said, citing a person who heard the comments.</p><p>OpenAI did not immediately respond to Reuters request for comment.</p></body></html>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>OpenAI CEO Says Company Could Become Benefit Corporation - 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Hedge funds might be helping, too—and both factors can push Apple shares even highe","content":"<html><head></head><body><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Apple stock is soaring this week, thanks to the artificial intelligence strategy the tech company announced Tuesday. Hedge funds might be helping, too—and both factors can push Apple shares even higher.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/ded35b4736a13ad8abbb3cf7dfa1f850\" alt=\"DAVID PAUL MORRIS/BLOOMBERG\" title=\"DAVID PAUL MORRIS/BLOOMBERG\" tg-width=\"952\" tg-height=\"632\"/><span>DAVID PAUL MORRIS/BLOOMBERG</span></p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Shares of the smartphone giant are “getting a delayed boost from the [Worldwide Developers Conference] Apple Intelligence launch,” wrote Bear Traps newsletter author Lawrence McDonald in a Wednesday note. “For over a month, people have been discussing the artificial intelligence upside for Apple, starting another supercycle for iPhones.”</p><p>Now that optimism is showing up. As of Wednesday, Apple stock had climbed 16% over the past month. That leaves shares up about 13% for the year.</p><p>That’s great, but shares of Nvidia, the original AI stock, have gained 38% over the past month and up about 153% in 2024.</p><p>Apple stock might be able to narrow the gap because traders are getting out of an old position. McDonald added in his note that a hedge fund has been unwinding a large long Nvidia/short Apple pair trade.</p><p>Pairs trades typically involve buying one stock and shorting the other. Shorting a stock means borrowing and selling shares an investor doesn’t own. It’s a bearish bet—the seller pockets the cash from the sale hoping to repurchase shares at a lower price when they return it to the original owner.</p><p>The goal of any pair trade is to make money from essentially one idea while eliminating other factors, such as the economy or inflation, that can move both stocks up or down. The long Nvidia/short Apple trade gives, an investor exposure to the AI theme, while removing some of the risks of holding technology stocks.</p><p>With Apple back as an AI play, that trade needs to unwind—which means buying Apple and selling Nvidia. How much more unwinding is left to do is hard to say.</p><p>The amount of Apple stock sold short relative to the amount available to trade is about 2.3%, according to Bloomberg. That’s high for Apple— and the short covering needed to return things to normal is about 10 to 20 million shares. That could be all done: Apple stock has traded almost 300 million shares over the past three days.</p><p>What’s more, in the wake of the recent run, Apple stock is now “overbought”—shares have climbed quickly that the rally may run out of steam. (For what it’s worth, Nvidia shares are even more overbought.)</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">That isn’t too helpful. Fairlead Strategies founder and market technician Katie Stockton has an idea where Apple stock can trade, though. She says that if Apple can stay above $198 a share in the coming few days, then it will soon trade at $240. Stockton isn’t making a fundamental call on Apple stock; technicians look at charts and patterns to get a sense of where things can go over the short and medium terms.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Stockton’s reasoning implies that there is about 10% upside left in the Apple-as-an-AI-play-rebound trade. Apple shares gained 2.9% on Wednesday, at $213.07 apiece.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Nvidia shares, however, aren’t hurting: shares of the chip maker rose 3.6% on Wednesday, while the Nasdaq Composite was up 1.5%. A slower-than-expected inflation reading is helping most stocks.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">A long Apple, short Nvidia trade is one way to capture Apple’s AI rebound. Shorting Nvidia stock doesn’t sound like a great idea, though: it’s easier to hang on to Apple and reevaluate positioning at Stockton’s $240 level.</p></body></html>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Buy Apple Stock, but Not for the Reason You Think</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nBuy Apple Stock, but Not for the Reason You Think\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n<div class=\"head\" \">\n\n\n<div class=\"h-thumb\" style=\"background-image:url(https://static.tigerbbs.com/150f88aa4d182df19190059f4a365e99);background-size:cover;\"></div>\n\n<div class=\"h-content\">\n<p class=\"h-name\">Dow Jones </p>\n<p class=\"h-time\">2024-06-13 12:00</p>\n</div>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<html><head></head><body><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Apple stock is soaring this week, thanks to the artificial intelligence strategy the tech company announced Tuesday. Hedge funds might be helping, too—and both factors can push Apple shares even higher.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/ded35b4736a13ad8abbb3cf7dfa1f850\" alt=\"DAVID PAUL MORRIS/BLOOMBERG\" title=\"DAVID PAUL MORRIS/BLOOMBERG\" tg-width=\"952\" tg-height=\"632\"/><span>DAVID PAUL MORRIS/BLOOMBERG</span></p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Shares of the smartphone giant are “getting a delayed boost from the [Worldwide Developers Conference] Apple Intelligence launch,” wrote Bear Traps newsletter author Lawrence McDonald in a Wednesday note. “For over a month, people have been discussing the artificial intelligence upside for Apple, starting another supercycle for iPhones.”</p><p>Now that optimism is showing up. As of Wednesday, Apple stock had climbed 16% over the past month. That leaves shares up about 13% for the year.</p><p>That’s great, but shares of Nvidia, the original AI stock, have gained 38% over the past month and up about 153% in 2024.</p><p>Apple stock might be able to narrow the gap because traders are getting out of an old position. McDonald added in his note that a hedge fund has been unwinding a large long Nvidia/short Apple pair trade.</p><p>Pairs trades typically involve buying one stock and shorting the other. Shorting a stock means borrowing and selling shares an investor doesn’t own. It’s a bearish bet—the seller pockets the cash from the sale hoping to repurchase shares at a lower price when they return it to the original owner.</p><p>The goal of any pair trade is to make money from essentially one idea while eliminating other factors, such as the economy or inflation, that can move both stocks up or down. The long Nvidia/short Apple trade gives, an investor exposure to the AI theme, while removing some of the risks of holding technology stocks.</p><p>With Apple back as an AI play, that trade needs to unwind—which means buying Apple and selling Nvidia. How much more unwinding is left to do is hard to say.</p><p>The amount of Apple stock sold short relative to the amount available to trade is about 2.3%, according to Bloomberg. That’s high for Apple— and the short covering needed to return things to normal is about 10 to 20 million shares. That could be all done: Apple stock has traded almost 300 million shares over the past three days.</p><p>What’s more, in the wake of the recent run, Apple stock is now “overbought”—shares have climbed quickly that the rally may run out of steam. (For what it’s worth, Nvidia shares are even more overbought.)</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">That isn’t too helpful. Fairlead Strategies founder and market technician Katie Stockton has an idea where Apple stock can trade, though. She says that if Apple can stay above $198 a share in the coming few days, then it will soon trade at $240. Stockton isn’t making a fundamental call on Apple stock; technicians look at charts and patterns to get a sense of where things can go over the short and medium terms.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Stockton’s reasoning implies that there is about 10% upside left in the Apple-as-an-AI-play-rebound trade. Apple shares gained 2.9% on Wednesday, at $213.07 apiece.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Nvidia shares, however, aren’t hurting: shares of the chip maker rose 3.6% on Wednesday, while the Nasdaq Composite was up 1.5%. A slower-than-expected inflation reading is helping most stocks.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">A long Apple, short Nvidia trade is one way to capture Apple’s AI rebound. Shorting Nvidia stock doesn’t sound like a great idea, though: it’s easier to hang on to Apple and reevaluate positioning at Stockton’s $240 level.</p></body></html>\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"IE00BFSS7M15.SGD":"Janus Henderson Balanced A Acc SGD-H","LU0234570918.USD":"高盛全球核心股票组合Acc Close","LU0238689110.USD":"贝莱德环球动力股票基金","BK4501":"段永平概念","LU0170899867.USD":"EASTSPRING INVESTMENTS WORLD VALUE EQUITY  \"A\" (USD) ACC","BK4527":"明星科技股","LU0417517546.SGD":"Allianz US Equity Cl AT Acc SGD","BK4579":"人工智能","LU0456855351.SGD":"JPMorgan Funds - Global Equity A (acc) SGD","BK4543":"AI","LU0072462426.USD":"贝莱德全球配置 A2","BK4588":"碎股","IE00BDCRKT87.USD":"PINEBRIDGE GLOBAL DYNAMIC ASSET ALLOCATION \"ADC\" (USD) INC","BK4503":"景林资产持仓","LU0080751232.USD":"富达环球多元动力基金A","LU0056508442.USD":"贝莱德世界科技基金A2","BK4574":"无人驾驶","IE00BJJMRY28.SGD":"Janus Henderson Balanced A Inc SGD","BK4573":"虚拟现实","IE00BMPRXR70.SGD":"Neuberger Berman 5G Connectivity A Acc SGD-H","LU0308772762.SGD":"Blackrock Global Allocation A2 SGD-H","BK4505":"高瓴资本持仓","LU0234572021.USD":"高盛美国核心股票组合Acc","IE00BMPRXN33.USD":"NEUBERGER BERMAN 5G CONNECTIVITY \"A\" (USD) ACC","BK4581":"高盛持仓","IE00BSNM7G36.USD":"NEUBERGER BERMAN SYSTEMATIC GLOBAL SUSTAINABLE VALUE \"A\" (USD) ACC","LU0109392836.USD":"富兰克林科技股A","IE00BZ1G4Q59.USD":"LEGG MASON CLEARBRIDGE US EQUITY SUSTAINABILITY LEADER \"A\"(USD) INC (A)","BK4170":"电脑硬件、储存设备及电脑周边","LU0175139822.USD":"AB FCP I Global Equity Blend A USD","IE00BWXC8680.SGD":"PINEBRIDGE US LARGE CAP RESEARCH ENHANCED \"A5\" (SGD) ACC","BK4529":"IDC概念","LU0320765059.SGD":"FTIF - Franklin US Opportunities A Acc SGD","AAPL":"苹果","LU0444971666.USD":"天利全球科技基金","BK4592":"伊斯兰概念","LU0198837287.USD":"UBS (LUX) EQUITY SICAV - USA GROWTH \"P\" (USD) ACC","IE00BD6J9T35.USD":"NEUBERGER BERMAN NEXT GENERATION MOBILITY \"A\" (USD) ACC","LU0289961442.SGD":"SUSTAINABLE GLOBAL THEMATIC PORTFOLIO \"AX\" (SGD) ACC","LU0276348264.USD":"THREADNEEDLE (LUX) GLOBAL DYNAMIC REAL RETURN\"AUP\" (USD) INC","BK4571":"数字音乐概念","BK4507":"流媒体概念","IE00BKVL7J92.USD":"Legg Mason ClearBridge - US Equity Sustainability Leaders A Acc USD","BK4585":"ETF&股票定投概念","BK4576":"AR","BK4575":"芯片概念","LU0289739343.SGD":"SUSTAINABLE GLOBAL THEMATIC PORTFOLIO \"A\" (SGD) ACC","BK4587":"ChatGPT概念","IE00BLSP4452.SGD":"Legg Mason ClearBridge - Tactical Dividend Income A Mdis SGD-H Plus"},"source_url":"https://dowjonesnews.com/newdjn/logon.aspx?AL=N","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"2443084599","content_text":"Apple stock is soaring this week, thanks to the artificial intelligence strategy the tech company announced Tuesday. Hedge funds might be helping, too—and both factors can push Apple shares even higher.DAVID PAUL MORRIS/BLOOMBERGShares of the smartphone giant are “getting a delayed boost from the [Worldwide Developers Conference] Apple Intelligence launch,” wrote Bear Traps newsletter author Lawrence McDonald in a Wednesday note. “For over a month, people have been discussing the artificial intelligence upside for Apple, starting another supercycle for iPhones.”Now that optimism is showing up. As of Wednesday, Apple stock had climbed 16% over the past month. That leaves shares up about 13% for the year.That’s great, but shares of Nvidia, the original AI stock, have gained 38% over the past month and up about 153% in 2024.Apple stock might be able to narrow the gap because traders are getting out of an old position. McDonald added in his note that a hedge fund has been unwinding a large long Nvidia/short Apple pair trade.Pairs trades typically involve buying one stock and shorting the other. Shorting a stock means borrowing and selling shares an investor doesn’t own. It’s a bearish bet—the seller pockets the cash from the sale hoping to repurchase shares at a lower price when they return it to the original owner.The goal of any pair trade is to make money from essentially one idea while eliminating other factors, such as the economy or inflation, that can move both stocks up or down. The long Nvidia/short Apple trade gives, an investor exposure to the AI theme, while removing some of the risks of holding technology stocks.With Apple back as an AI play, that trade needs to unwind—which means buying Apple and selling Nvidia. How much more unwinding is left to do is hard to say.The amount of Apple stock sold short relative to the amount available to trade is about 2.3%, according to Bloomberg. That’s high for Apple— and the short covering needed to return things to normal is about 10 to 20 million shares. That could be all done: Apple stock has traded almost 300 million shares over the past three days.What’s more, in the wake of the recent run, Apple stock is now “overbought”—shares have climbed quickly that the rally may run out of steam. (For what it’s worth, Nvidia shares are even more overbought.)That isn’t too helpful. Fairlead Strategies founder and market technician Katie Stockton has an idea where Apple stock can trade, though. She says that if Apple can stay above $198 a share in the coming few days, then it will soon trade at $240. Stockton isn’t making a fundamental call on Apple stock; technicians look at charts and patterns to get a sense of where things can go over the short and medium terms.Stockton’s reasoning implies that there is about 10% upside left in the Apple-as-an-AI-play-rebound trade. Apple shares gained 2.9% on Wednesday, at $213.07 apiece.Nvidia shares, however, aren’t hurting: shares of the chip maker rose 3.6% on Wednesday, while the Nasdaq Composite was up 1.5%. A slower-than-expected inflation reading is helping most stocks.A long Apple, short Nvidia trade is one way to capture Apple’s AI rebound. Shorting Nvidia stock doesn’t sound like a great idea, though: it’s easier to hang on to Apple and reevaluate positioning at Stockton’s $240 level.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":68,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":316312973385944,"gmtCreate":1718254557293,"gmtModify":1718256197105,"author":{"id":"4164272763224692","authorId":"4164272763224692","name":"OngJH","avatar":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":2,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false},"themes":[],"htmlText":"Say buy then say dont buy, so write something to tell you that not i say buy but also not i say dont buy when it moon.","listText":"Say buy then say dont buy, so write something to tell you that not i say buy but also not i say dont buy when it moon.","text":"Say buy then say dont buy, so write something to tell you that not i say buy but also not i say dont buy when it moon.","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/316312973385944","repostId":"2443561786","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"2443561786","pubTimestamp":1718247600,"share":"https://www.laohu8.com/m/news/2443561786?lang=&edition=full","pubTime":"2024-06-13 11:00","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Is Nvidia Stock a Buy After the 10-for-1 Stock Split?","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2443561786","media":"Motley Fool","summary":"Shares in this artificial intelligence titan have become significantly cheaper, but its massive market cap remains the same.","content":"<html><head></head><body><ul style=\"\"><li><p>Stock splits can help make a company&#39;s shares more liquid and available for small investors.</p></li><li><p>While Nvidia remains an excellent company, new investors should be careful about a possible slowdown in chip demand.</p></li></ul><p>With shares up by an eyewatering 25,000% over the last 10 years, it&#39;s no surprise that <strong>Nvidia</strong> relies on stock splits to keep its equity price manageable for smaller investors who may not have access to fractional shares. The most recent of these went into effect on June 7 and gave investors 10 shares of Nvidia for each one they previously owned -- bringing its stock price to around $125 at the time of writing.</p><p>The stock split did nothing to change Nvidia&#39;s $3 trillion market cap, which represents the value of all its shares combined. However, some market participants are hopeful that the lower share price could make Nvidia&#39;s equity more liquid and help it maintain its explosive bull run. Let&#39;s dig deeper to decide if this technology giant is still a buy.</p><h2 id=\"id_2636510373\">What is Nvidia&#39;s bull thesis?</h2><p>If the generative artificial intelligence (AI) industry can be likened to the California gold rush, Nvidia would be selling the picks and shovels every miner needs to dig for gold. The company&#39;s industry-leading graphics processing units (GPUs) are crucial for running and training complex AI algorithms. And this has led to explosive growth and margins.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/fcbb1205d3af7318b8e54343aa41a239\" tg-width=\"1209\" tg-height=\"810\"/></p><p>Nvidia&#39;s first-quarter revenue increased 262% year over year to $26 billion, driven by sales of data center chips, such as the H100. And net income jumped 628% to $14.88 billion.</p><p>Considering this elevated growth rate, Nvidia&#39;s stock is still reasonably valued at a forward price-to-earnings (P/E) ratio of around 47. For comparison, rival chipmaker <strong>Advanced Micro Devices</strong> has the same forward P/E despite only growing sales by 2% in its first quarter. That said, Nvidia&#39;s stock might not be as cheap as it looks on the surface.</p><h2 id=\"id_1438623380\">Nvidia is not as cheap as it looks</h2><p>Over the next few years, Nvidia will face incredibly challenging comps. After enjoying booming sales over the previous 12 months, it will be difficult for the company to continue growing its revenue relative to extremely high prior-year numbers. And this might be a big reason why the stock&#39;s forward valuation is so low relative to growth.</p><p>Demand could become another problem. While Nvidia&#39;s picks-and-shovels take on the AI industry protects it from competition on the consumer side of the industry, it wouldn&#39;t be shielded from an industrywide slowdown, which could occur if its clients aren&#39;t able to generate enough cash flow to justify their spending on Nvidia chips.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/e88eaa3c0ff6a29bee20df2669504822\" alt=\"Image source: Getty Images.\" title=\"Image source: Getty Images.\" tg-width=\"700\" tg-height=\"594\"/><span>Image source: Getty Images.</span></p><p>The long-term prospects of AI look undeniably bright. But there could be many ups and downs before it reaches its full potential -- just like other major technologies like the internet, electric vehicles, or even blockchain.</p><h2 id=\"id_2923381452\">Buy with caution</h2><p>For many retail investors, Nvidia&#39;s stock split will be a powerful psychological encouragement to buy the stock. At just $120 per share, the mammoth company now looks relatively small. And those who were previously intimidated by its four-digit stock price may now be encouraged to finally pull the trigger and hit the buy button.</p><p>But while Nvidia certainly has a bright future as the AI industry develops, investors who buy the stock now are late to the party. And this brings the risk of being left holding the bag if things go wrong.</p><p>Over the next few years, Nvidia will face more difficult comps, which could cause top- and bottom-line growth to slow down, even if the AI industry remains strong. While shares still look capable of outperforming over the long term, investors should remain aware of the significant risks they are taking by buying a company that has already risen so far so fast.</p><p>Historically, no stock has grown exponentially forever. And Nvidia will likely face a correction at some point. 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The most recent of these went into effect on June 7 and gave investors 10 shares of Nvidia for each one they previously owned -- bringing its stock price to around $125 at the time of writing.The stock split did nothing to change Nvidia's $3 trillion market cap, which represents the value of all its shares combined. However, some market participants are hopeful that the lower share price could make Nvidia's equity more liquid and help it maintain its explosive bull run. Let's dig deeper to decide if this technology giant is still a buy.What is Nvidia's bull thesis?If the generative artificial intelligence (AI) industry can be likened to the California gold rush, Nvidia would be selling the picks and shovels every miner needs to dig for gold. The company's industry-leading graphics processing units (GPUs) are crucial for running and training complex AI algorithms. And this has led to explosive growth and margins.Nvidia's first-quarter revenue increased 262% year over year to $26 billion, driven by sales of data center chips, such as the H100. And net income jumped 628% to $14.88 billion.Considering this elevated growth rate, Nvidia's stock is still reasonably valued at a forward price-to-earnings (P/E) ratio of around 47. For comparison, rival chipmaker Advanced Micro Devices has the same forward P/E despite only growing sales by 2% in its first quarter. That said, Nvidia's stock might not be as cheap as it looks on the surface.Nvidia is not as cheap as it looksOver the next few years, Nvidia will face incredibly challenging comps. After enjoying booming sales over the previous 12 months, it will be difficult for the company to continue growing its revenue relative to extremely high prior-year numbers. And this might be a big reason why the stock's forward valuation is so low relative to growth.Demand could become another problem. While Nvidia's picks-and-shovels take on the AI industry protects it from competition on the consumer side of the industry, it wouldn't be shielded from an industrywide slowdown, which could occur if its clients aren't able to generate enough cash flow to justify their spending on Nvidia chips.Image source: Getty Images.The long-term prospects of AI look undeniably bright. But there could be many ups and downs before it reaches its full potential -- just like other major technologies like the internet, electric vehicles, or even blockchain.Buy with cautionFor many retail investors, Nvidia's stock split will be a powerful psychological encouragement to buy the stock. At just $120 per share, the mammoth company now looks relatively small. And those who were previously intimidated by its four-digit stock price may now be encouraged to finally pull the trigger and hit the buy button.But while Nvidia certainly has a bright future as the AI industry develops, investors who buy the stock now are late to the party. And this brings the risk of being left holding the bag if things go wrong.Over the next few years, Nvidia will face more difficult comps, which could cause top- and bottom-line growth to slow down, even if the AI industry remains strong. While shares still look capable of outperforming over the long term, investors should remain aware of the significant risks they are taking by buying a company that has already risen so far so fast.Historically, no stock has grown exponentially forever. And Nvidia will likely face a correction at some point. 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Shares of AMD fell over 2% in premarket trading.They view AMD's stock price as expensive relative to other big-cap plays such as Nvidia  and Broadcom , \"where we have more confidence on upward revisions to AI forecasts.\". Moore said their overweight on AMD has been focused on the chipmaker's core business reaccelerating following big downturn across markets, with AI an extra boost. \"Through no fault of their own, AMD is facing a high bar given the supp","content":"<html><head></head><body><p>Nvidia started trading on a split-adjusted basis Monday. The 10-for-1 stock split in shares of Nvidia, the leader in artificial-intelligence chips, took effect Friday after the close of trading. The stock finished Friday at $1,208.88. In trading Monday, shares were down 2%. Coming into Monday’s session, Nvidia has risen 144% in 2024, and has gained 27% since the stock split announcement was made on May 22.</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/0e0b0dad6ee0d0847ec25eaf1973fb11\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"457\" tg-height=\"382\"/></p><p>Advanced Micro Devices fell 4% after shares of the chip maker were downgraded to Equal Weight from Overweight at Morgan Stanley and the price target was maintained at $176.</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/93e233983feb2998f39dbec3bed236b6\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"462\" tg-height=\"388\"/></p><p>“We like the AMD story, but investor expectations for the AI business still seems too high to us,” said analysts led by Joseph Moore in a note to clients on Monday.</p><p>Cutting the stock to equalweight, or neutral, from overweight, Moore and his team said they see upward revision potential for AMD as “limited,” even with a recovery in its core business.</p><p>They view AMD’s stock price as expensive relative to other big-cap plays such as Nvidia and Broadcom, “where we have more confidence on upward revisions to AI forecasts.”</p><p>Morgan Stanley analysts said investor expectations still haven’t adjusted enough to account for the likely impact Nvidia’s Blackwell Ultra chip launch next year will have on competitors like AMD. Their preference has now shifted to Broadcom as the second-favorite large cap AI alternative.</p><p>Moore said their overweight on AMD has been focused on the chipmaker’s core business reaccelerating following big downturn across markets, with AI an extra boost. “Through no fault of their own, AMD is facing a high bar given the supply chain ramp in excess of AMD revenue potential,” they said.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">AMD said in late April that it expects $4 billion in AI chip sales this year, from an earlier projection for $3.5 billion. Morgan Stanley’s analysts said the chip maker will likely hit that target this year and grow in 2025, but expectations are running much higher. They explain that have consistently taken the approach to heavily discount the supply chain for AMD when assessing such opportunities.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">“The trouble we have is that investor expectations still anchor on supply chain based forecasts that point to a number north of $6bn (400-500k units), despite continued messaging from the company that it takes time to build an ecosystem around a new solution, and that they would be aggressive with builds,” they said.</p></body></html>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Nvidia's Stock Falls 2% After the 10-for-1 Stock Split Effective; AMD Falls 4% as Morgan Stanley Slashes Rating</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nNvidia's Stock Falls 2% After the 10-for-1 Stock Split Effective; AMD Falls 4% as Morgan Stanley Slashes Rating\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n<div class=\"head\" \">\n\n\n<div class=\"h-thumb\" style=\"background-image:url(https://static.tigerbbs.com/150f88aa4d182df19190059f4a365e99);background-size:cover;\"></div>\n\n<div class=\"h-content\">\n<p class=\"h-name\">Dow Jones </p>\n<p class=\"h-time\">2024-06-10 22:00</p>\n</div>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<html><head></head><body><p>Nvidia started trading on a split-adjusted basis Monday. The 10-for-1 stock split in shares of Nvidia, the leader in artificial-intelligence chips, took effect Friday after the close of trading. The stock finished Friday at $1,208.88. In trading Monday, shares were down 2%. Coming into Monday’s session, Nvidia has risen 144% in 2024, and has gained 27% since the stock split announcement was made on May 22.</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/0e0b0dad6ee0d0847ec25eaf1973fb11\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"457\" tg-height=\"382\"/></p><p>Advanced Micro Devices fell 4% after shares of the chip maker were downgraded to Equal Weight from Overweight at Morgan Stanley and the price target was maintained at $176.</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/93e233983feb2998f39dbec3bed236b6\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"462\" tg-height=\"388\"/></p><p>“We like the AMD story, but investor expectations for the AI business still seems too high to us,” said analysts led by Joseph Moore in a note to clients on Monday.</p><p>Cutting the stock to equalweight, or neutral, from overweight, Moore and his team said they see upward revision potential for AMD as “limited,” even with a recovery in its core business.</p><p>They view AMD’s stock price as expensive relative to other big-cap plays such as Nvidia and Broadcom, “where we have more confidence on upward revisions to AI forecasts.”</p><p>Morgan Stanley analysts said investor expectations still haven’t adjusted enough to account for the likely impact Nvidia’s Blackwell Ultra chip launch next year will have on competitors like AMD. Their preference has now shifted to Broadcom as the second-favorite large cap AI alternative.</p><p>Moore said their overweight on AMD has been focused on the chipmaker’s core business reaccelerating following big downturn across markets, with AI an extra boost. “Through no fault of their own, AMD is facing a high bar given the supply chain ramp in excess of AMD revenue potential,” they said.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">AMD said in late April that it expects $4 billion in AI chip sales this year, from an earlier projection for $3.5 billion. Morgan Stanley’s analysts said the chip maker will likely hit that target this year and grow in 2025, but expectations are running much higher. They explain that have consistently taken the approach to heavily discount the supply chain for AMD when assessing such opportunities.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">“The trouble we have is that investor expectations still anchor on supply chain based forecasts that point to a number north of $6bn (400-500k units), despite continued messaging from the company that it takes time to build an ecosystem around a new solution, and that they would be aggressive with builds,” they said.</p></body></html>\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"NVDA":"英伟达","AMD":"美国超微公司"},"source_url":"https://dowjonesnews.com/newdjn/logon.aspx?AL=N","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"2442812204","content_text":"Nvidia started trading on a split-adjusted basis Monday. The 10-for-1 stock split in shares of Nvidia, the leader in artificial-intelligence chips, took effect Friday after the close of trading. The stock finished Friday at $1,208.88. In trading Monday, shares were down 2%. Coming into Monday’s session, Nvidia has risen 144% in 2024, and has gained 27% since the stock split announcement was made on May 22.Advanced Micro Devices fell 4% after shares of the chip maker were downgraded to Equal Weight from Overweight at Morgan Stanley and the price target was maintained at $176.“We like the AMD story, but investor expectations for the AI business still seems too high to us,” said analysts led by Joseph Moore in a note to clients on Monday.Cutting the stock to equalweight, or neutral, from overweight, Moore and his team said they see upward revision potential for AMD as “limited,” even with a recovery in its core business.They view AMD’s stock price as expensive relative to other big-cap plays such as Nvidia and Broadcom, “where we have more confidence on upward revisions to AI forecasts.”Morgan Stanley analysts said investor expectations still haven’t adjusted enough to account for the likely impact Nvidia’s Blackwell Ultra chip launch next year will have on competitors like AMD. Their preference has now shifted to Broadcom as the second-favorite large cap AI alternative.Moore said their overweight on AMD has been focused on the chipmaker’s core business reaccelerating following big downturn across markets, with AI an extra boost. “Through no fault of their own, AMD is facing a high bar given the supply chain ramp in excess of AMD revenue potential,” they said.AMD said in late April that it expects $4 billion in AI chip sales this year, from an earlier projection for $3.5 billion. Morgan Stanley’s analysts said the chip maker will likely hit that target this year and grow in 2025, but expectations are running much higher. They explain that have consistently taken the approach to heavily discount the supply chain for AMD when assessing such opportunities.“The trouble we have is that investor expectations still anchor on supply chain based forecasts that point to a number north of $6bn (400-500k units), despite continued messaging from the company that it takes time to build an ecosystem around a new solution, and that they would be aggressive with builds,” they said.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":112,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":315352250642696,"gmtCreate":1718021758059,"gmtModify":1718022764618,"author":{"id":"4164272763224692","authorId":"4164272763224692","name":"OngJH","avatar":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":2,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false},"themes":[],"htmlText":"Reuters love to repeats others' reports","listText":"Reuters love to repeats others' reports","text":"Reuters love to repeats others' reports","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/315352250642696","repostId":"2442450845","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"2442450845","weMediaInfo":{"introduction":"Reuters.com brings you the latest news from around the world, covering breaking news in markets, business, politics, entertainment and technology","home_visible":1,"media_name":"Reuters","id":"1036604489","head_image":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/443ce19704621c837795676028cec868"},"pubTimestamp":1718021371,"share":"https://www.laohu8.com/m/news/2442450845?lang=&edition=full","pubTime":"2024-06-10 20:09","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Nvidia Sparks Chatter over Possible Dow Inclusion After Stock Split","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2442450845","media":"Reuters","summary":"Nvidia's 10-for-1 stock split aimed at luring retail investors has taken effect, sparking speculation over chances of the artificial intelligence bellwether's inclusion in the blue-chip Dow index.The ","content":"<html><head></head><body><p>Nvidia&#39;s 10-for-1 stock split aimed at luring retail investors has taken effect, sparking speculation over chances of the artificial intelligence bellwether&#39;s inclusion in the blue-chip Dow index.</p><p>The split, aimed at lowering per-share value to make it more affordable for employees and investors, increases the company&#39;s outstanding shares without changing the stock&#39;s valuation.</p><p>&#34;A side-effect of Nvidia&#39;s stock split will be to put it in the running to follow Amazon and Apple into the Dow, potentially pushing out fellow chip stock Intel that currently has the lowest weighting,&#34; said Ben Laidler, global markets strategist at digital brokerage eToro.</p><p>The stock dipped 0.5% in premarket trading on Monday, after climbing nearly 27% since the company announced the share split and a strong forecast last month. The dominant AI chip maker had also clinched $3 trillion in market value and surpassed Apple</p><p>to become the second-most valuable firm in the world, trailing only Microsoft .</p><p>Market analysts said stock splits tend to attract individual investors that trade in smaller lots and have lesser capital to deploy than institutional investors.</p><p>However, Goldman Sachs strategists led by David Kostin said in a note most recent stock splits have not generated a significant increase in retail trading activity, but there have been some notable exceptions such as Amazon&#39;s split in 2022 and Nvidia&#39;s 2021 split.</p><p>Moreover, &#34;investors typically assign higher valuations to liquid stocks because of their low trading costs and flexibility in a variety of market environments&#34;, the strategists said.</p><p>Over the last several years, trading volumes have briefly increased following stock split announcements but evidenced little change during and after the splits took effect, according to Goldman&#39;s analysis of 45 Russell 1000 stock splits since 2019.</p><p>Nvidia&#39;s stock was last trading at $120 per share post split, compared with $1,200 on Friday, making it a potential contender for the 30-member price-weighted Dow index .</p><p>An S&amp;P Dow Jones Indices spokeswoman late in May said it does not comment or speculate on index additions or deletions.</p><p></p></body></html>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; 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said Ben Laidler, global markets strategist at digital brokerage eToro.</p><p>The stock dipped 0.5% in premarket trading on Monday, after climbing nearly 27% since the company announced the share split and a strong forecast last month. The dominant AI chip maker had also clinched $3 trillion in market value and surpassed Apple</p><p>to become the second-most valuable firm in the world, trailing only Microsoft .</p><p>Market analysts said stock splits tend to attract individual investors that trade in smaller lots and have lesser capital to deploy than institutional investors.</p><p>However, Goldman Sachs strategists led by David Kostin said in a note most recent stock splits have not generated a significant increase in retail trading activity, but there have been some notable exceptions such as Amazon&#39;s split in 2022 and Nvidia&#39;s 2021 split.</p><p>Moreover, &#34;investors typically assign higher valuations to liquid stocks because of their low trading costs and flexibility in a variety of market environments&#34;, the strategists said.</p><p>Over the last several years, trading volumes have briefly increased following stock split announcements but evidenced little change during and after the splits took effect, according to Goldman&#39;s analysis of 45 Russell 1000 stock splits since 2019.</p><p>Nvidia&#39;s stock was last trading at $120 per share post split, compared with $1,200 on Friday, making it a potential contender for the 30-member price-weighted Dow index .</p><p>An S&amp;P Dow Jones Indices spokeswoman late in May said it does not comment or speculate on index additions or deletions.</p><p></p></body></html>\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"BK4529":"IDC概念","BK4592":"伊斯兰概念","LU0056508442.USD":"贝莱德世界科技基金A2","IE00B1XK9C88.USD":"PINEBRIDGE US LARGE CAP RESEARCH ENHANCED \"A\" (USD) ACC","GB00BDT5M118.USD":"天利环球扩展Alpha基金A Acc","LU0353189680.USD":"富国美国全盘成长基金Cl A Acc","LU0061474960.USD":"天利环球焦点基金AU Acc","IE00BJJMRY28.SGD":"Janus Henderson Balanced A Inc SGD","IE00BKDWB100.SGD":"PINEBRIDGE US LARGE CAP RESEARCH ENHANCED \"A5H\" (SGDHDG) ACC","BK4532":"文艺复兴科技持仓","LU0109392836.USD":"富兰克林科技股A","IE0004445015.USD":"JANUS HENDERSON BALANCED \"A2\" (USD) ACC","LU0175139822.USD":"AB FCP I Global Equity Blend A USD","BK4587":"ChatGPT概念","LU0097036916.USD":"贝莱德美国增长A2 USD","IE00B3M56506.USD":"NEUBERGER BERMAN EMERGING MARKETS EQUITY \"A\" (USD) ACC","LU0079474960.USD":"联博美国增长基金A","IE00B1BXHZ80.USD":"Legg Mason ClearBridge - US Appreciation A Acc USD","IE00BD6J9T35.USD":"NEUBERGER BERMAN NEXT GENERATION MOBILITY \"A\" (USD) ACC","IE00BDCRKT87.USD":"PINEBRIDGE GLOBAL DYNAMIC ASSET ALLOCATION \"ADC\" (USD) INC","BK4543":"AI","LU0289961442.SGD":"SUSTAINABLE GLOBAL THEMATIC PORTFOLIO \"AX\" (SGD) ACC","BK4527":"明星科技股","BK4585":"ETF&股票定投概念","BK4579":"人工智能","IE0034235188.USD":"PINEBRIDGE GLOBAL FOCUS EQUITY \"A\" (USD) ACC","LU0127658192.USD":"EASTSPRING INVESTMENTS GLOBAL TECHNOLOGY \"A\" (USD) ACC","NVDA":"英伟达","BK4503":"景林资产持仓","LU1668664300.SGD":"Blackrock World Financials A2 SGD-H","LU0256863811.USD":"ALLIANZ US EQUITY \"A\" INC","LU0289739343.SGD":"SUSTAINABLE GLOBAL THEMATIC PORTFOLIO \"A\" (SGD) ACC","BK4581":"高盛持仓","BK4504":"桥水持仓","IE0034235295.USD":"PINEBRIDGE GLOBAL DYNAMIC ASSET ALLOCATION \"A\" (USD) ACC",".DJI":"道琼斯","BK4549":"软银资本持仓","IE0004445239.USD":"JANUS HENDERSON US FORTY \"A2\" (USD) ACC","LU0170899867.USD":"EASTSPRING INVESTMENTS WORLD VALUE EQUITY  \"A\" (USD) ACC","IE00BJJMRX11.SGD":"Janus Henderson Balanced A Acc SGD","BK4588":"碎股","BK4548":"巴美列捷福持仓","BK4127":"投资银行业与经纪业"},"source_url":"https://api.rkd.refinitiv.com/api/News/News.svc/REST/News_1/RetrieveStoryML_1","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"2442450845","content_text":"Nvidia's 10-for-1 stock split aimed at luring retail investors has taken effect, sparking speculation over chances of the artificial intelligence bellwether's inclusion in the blue-chip Dow index.The split, aimed at lowering per-share value to make it more affordable for employees and investors, increases the company's outstanding shares without changing the stock's valuation.\"A side-effect of Nvidia's stock split will be to put it in the running to follow Amazon and Apple into the Dow, potentially pushing out fellow chip stock Intel that currently has the lowest weighting,\" said Ben Laidler, global markets strategist at digital brokerage eToro.The stock dipped 0.5% in premarket trading on Monday, after climbing nearly 27% since the company announced the share split and a strong forecast last month. The dominant AI chip maker had also clinched $3 trillion in market value and surpassed Appleto become the second-most valuable firm in the world, trailing only Microsoft .Market analysts said stock splits tend to attract individual investors that trade in smaller lots and have lesser capital to deploy than institutional investors.However, Goldman Sachs strategists led by David Kostin said in a note most recent stock splits have not generated a significant increase in retail trading activity, but there have been some notable exceptions such as Amazon's split in 2022 and Nvidia's 2021 split.Moreover, \"investors typically assign higher valuations to liquid stocks because of their low trading costs and flexibility in a variety of market environments\", the strategists said.Over the last several years, trading volumes have briefly increased following stock split announcements but evidenced little change during and after the splits took effect, according to Goldman's analysis of 45 Russell 1000 stock splits since 2019.Nvidia's stock was last trading at $120 per share post split, compared with $1,200 on Friday, making it a potential contender for the 30-member price-weighted Dow index .An S&P Dow Jones Indices spokeswoman late in May said it does not comment or speculate on index additions or deletions.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":42,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":310403892015136,"gmtCreate":1716780737200,"gmtModify":1716781493929,"author":{"id":"4164272763224692","authorId":"4164272763224692","name":"OngJH","avatar":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":2,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false},"themes":[],"htmlText":"Repeating paragraph, sound like in school making the word count.","listText":"Repeating paragraph, sound like in school making the word count.","text":"Repeating paragraph, sound like in school making the word count.","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/310403892015136","repostId":"1183549079","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"1183549079","pubTimestamp":1716780404,"share":"https://www.laohu8.com/m/news/1183549079?lang=&edition=full","pubTime":"2024-05-27 11:26","market":"sg","language":"en","title":"Singapore Insurer’s Holders Seeking Better Offer From OCBC","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1183549079","media":"Bloomberg","summary":"The price of S$25.60 per share is well above the price before the announcement, but some shareholders point to a 30% discount against Great Eastern’s embedded value, a metric that’s been used to value","content":"<html><head></head><body><p>The price of S$25.60 per share is well above the price before the announcement, but some shareholders point to a 30% discount against Great Eastern’s embedded value, a metric that’s <u>been used to value</u> insurance firms elsewhere. By that measure, it is half the valuation the bank used in its last attempt to take full ownership of the company. <u>Oversea-Chinese Banking Corp.</u>, opening a new front in a longstanding fight between shareholder activists and Singapore’s second-largest lender.</p><p>The price of S$25.60 per share is well above the price before the announcement, but some shareholders point to a 30% discount against Great Eastern’s embedded value, a metric that’s <u>been used to value</u> insurance firms elsewhere. By that measure, it is half the valuation the bank used in its last attempt to take full ownership of the company.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">OCBC, which holds more than 88% of Great Eastern, said earlier this month it is seeking to delist the stock.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/186136992cca54bc526d9ce25c3d847c\" tg-width=\"519\" tg-height=\"290\"/></p><p>“We are now caught between a rock and a hard place,” said Ong Chin Woo, who owns shares of Great Eastern and OCBC. Since 2021, he’s been a vocal spokesman for a group which now comprises more than 100 minority shareholders. “If OCBC has no other choices, at least give us a fair exit offer.”</p><p>An OCBC spokesperson defended the number, saying it reflects a roughly 40% premium over the price in both the month and the year before the announcement, as well as in multiples of the insurer’s book value and other financial metrics.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Morgan Stanley banking analysts led by Nick Lord said the offer is “high” and will contribute positively to earnings at OCBC, as well as make management of the combined entity easier.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">The bank has steadily built its 88.44% stake in the 116-year-old insurer, which operates in Singapore, Malaysia and Indonesia. Over the past ten years, it’s contributed an average of about S$700 million a year in net income to OCBC, equivalent to about 15% of OCBC’s annual profit, according to the bank.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Over the past decade through end of 2023, OCBC’s shares have risen more than 30%, while Great Eastern dropped 1%. The insurer’s minority shareholders have been lobbying for years for higher dividends and better liquidity.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">They’ve also objected to using OCBC stock to reward Great Eastern executives like Chief Executive Khor Hock Seng, whose long-term incentives have been paid in OCBC shares.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Great Eastern told investors in April that it has taken steps to strengthen capital management and improve dividend payouts but that many of the factors that affect share prices are beyond its control. As for the executive compensation, the insurer said the structure helps to foster “One OCBC Group” spirit with its holding company, and using GE shares would impact the stock’s liquidity.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/e4c69ce35b872e0e8d1462bf37e58475\" tg-width=\"1200\" tg-height=\"675\"/></p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">OCBC’s current offer ascribes zero value to Great Eastern’s future underwriting and to its agency network, said Thilan Wickramasinghe, an analyst at Maybank Securities Pte. “There are risks that OCBC might have to make a higher offer in order to narrow that discount gap,” he said.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Some members of Singapore’s oldest business clans are invested in the outcome. Companies linked to Lee Thor Seng, part of the clan that co-founded OCBC, have a stake. Wong Hong Sun, whose grandfather was chairman of Great Eastern for close to twenty years, holds more than 3 million shares. “Even if I am not sentimental, I won’t sell,” he said. “Half price is no way.”</p><p>Great Eastern appointed EY as an independent financial adviser to assess the merit of OCBC’s offer and make a recommendation to shareholders. OCBC will dispatch the offer document to Great Eastern shareholders no later than the end of May, and the offer opens for at least 28 days, according to the current timeline.</p><p>“Normally you’d pay a substantial premium to take a majority stake of a company,” Bloomberg Intelligence analyst Steven Lam said. But listed insurance firms are rare in Southeast Asia, making it difficult to find a comparable benchmark. And, he added, “this time we are dealing with a minority stake of 11.56%.”</p></body></html>","source":"lsy1584095487587","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Singapore Insurer’s Holders Seeking Better Offer From OCBC</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nSingapore Insurer’s Holders Seeking Better Offer From OCBC\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2024-05-27 11:26 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-26/singapore-insurer-s-holders-seeking-better-offer-from-ocbc?srnd=markets-vp><strong>Bloomberg</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>The price of S$25.60 per share is well above the price before the announcement, but some shareholders point to a 30% discount against Great Eastern’s embedded value, a metric that’s been used to value...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-26/singapore-insurer-s-holders-seeking-better-offer-from-ocbc?srnd=markets-vp\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"O39.SI":"华侨银行"},"source_url":"https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-26/singapore-insurer-s-holders-seeking-better-offer-from-ocbc?srnd=markets-vp","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1183549079","content_text":"The price of S$25.60 per share is well above the price before the announcement, but some shareholders point to a 30% discount against Great Eastern’s embedded value, a metric that’s been used to value insurance firms elsewhere. By that measure, it is half the valuation the bank used in its last attempt to take full ownership of the company. Oversea-Chinese Banking Corp., opening a new front in a longstanding fight between shareholder activists and Singapore’s second-largest lender.The price of S$25.60 per share is well above the price before the announcement, but some shareholders point to a 30% discount against Great Eastern’s embedded value, a metric that’s been used to value insurance firms elsewhere. By that measure, it is half the valuation the bank used in its last attempt to take full ownership of the company.OCBC, which holds more than 88% of Great Eastern, said earlier this month it is seeking to delist the stock.“We are now caught between a rock and a hard place,” said Ong Chin Woo, who owns shares of Great Eastern and OCBC. Since 2021, he’s been a vocal spokesman for a group which now comprises more than 100 minority shareholders. “If OCBC has no other choices, at least give us a fair exit offer.”An OCBC spokesperson defended the number, saying it reflects a roughly 40% premium over the price in both the month and the year before the announcement, as well as in multiples of the insurer’s book value and other financial metrics.Morgan Stanley banking analysts led by Nick Lord said the offer is “high” and will contribute positively to earnings at OCBC, as well as make management of the combined entity easier.The bank has steadily built its 88.44% stake in the 116-year-old insurer, which operates in Singapore, Malaysia and Indonesia. Over the past ten years, it’s contributed an average of about S$700 million a year in net income to OCBC, equivalent to about 15% of OCBC’s annual profit, according to the bank.Over the past decade through end of 2023, OCBC’s shares have risen more than 30%, while Great Eastern dropped 1%. The insurer’s minority shareholders have been lobbying for years for higher dividends and better liquidity.They’ve also objected to using OCBC stock to reward Great Eastern executives like Chief Executive Khor Hock Seng, whose long-term incentives have been paid in OCBC shares.Great Eastern told investors in April that it has taken steps to strengthen capital management and improve dividend payouts but that many of the factors that affect share prices are beyond its control. As for the executive compensation, the insurer said the structure helps to foster “One OCBC Group” spirit with its holding company, and using GE shares would impact the stock’s liquidity.OCBC’s current offer ascribes zero value to Great Eastern’s future underwriting and to its agency network, said Thilan Wickramasinghe, an analyst at Maybank Securities Pte. “There are risks that OCBC might have to make a higher offer in order to narrow that discount gap,” he said.Some members of Singapore’s oldest business clans are invested in the outcome. Companies linked to Lee Thor Seng, part of the clan that co-founded OCBC, have a stake. Wong Hong Sun, whose grandfather was chairman of Great Eastern for close to twenty years, holds more than 3 million shares. “Even if I am not sentimental, I won’t sell,” he said. “Half price is no way.”Great Eastern appointed EY as an independent financial adviser to assess the merit of OCBC’s offer and make a recommendation to shareholders. OCBC will dispatch the offer document to Great Eastern shareholders no later than the end of May, and the offer opens for at least 28 days, according to the current timeline.“Normally you’d pay a substantial premium to take a majority stake of a company,” Bloomberg Intelligence analyst Steven Lam said. But listed insurance firms are rare in Southeast Asia, making it difficult to find a comparable benchmark. And, he added, “this time we are dealing with a minority stake of 11.56%.”","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":59,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0}],"hots":[{"id":321747277246640,"gmtCreate":1719582064467,"gmtModify":1719582068517,"author":{"id":"4164272763224692","authorId":"4164272763224692","name":"OngJH","avatar":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":2,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false},"themes":[],"htmlText":"ATH Wait for next year, the chance to come or dump","listText":"ATH Wait for next year, the chance to come or dump","text":"ATH Wait for next year, the chance to come or dump","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":6,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/321747277246640","repostId":"2446581837","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"2446581837","pubTimestamp":1719579600,"share":"https://www.laohu8.com/m/news/2446581837?lang=&edition=full","pubTime":"2024-06-28 21:00","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Is Apple a Better Once-in-a-Generation Investment Opportunity Than Nvidia Right Now?","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2446581837","media":"Motley Fool","summary":"Both of these stocks have massive AI tailwinds.","content":"<html><head></head><body><ul style=\"\"><li><p>Apple has a huge opportunity in edge AI -- running AI on its devices.</p></li><li><p>Nvidia could continue to grow tremendously as more powerful AI technology requires faster AI chips.</p></li><li><p>Nvidia has been the bigger winner in recent years, but Apple could outperform going forward.</p></li></ul><p><strong>Apple</strong>&#39;s initial launch of the iPhone was arguably a once-in-a-generation investing opportunity. The world changed afterward -- and Apple&#39;s share price skyrocketed.</p><p>Many investors probably also view the introduction of ChatGPT as a once-in-a-generation investing opportunity with <strong>Nvidia</strong>. The demand for the company&#39;s graphics processing units (GPUs) in powering generative artificial intelligence (AI) applications took off and hasn&#39;t slowed since.</p><p>By definition, such moments with Apple and Nvidia are rare. However, no rule says a company can&#39;t have multiple game-changing catalysts during its lifetime. Perhaps both Apple and Nvidia are once again presenting once-in-a-generation opportunities. If so, is Apple a better pick than Nvidia for investors right now?</p><h2 id=\"id_514477193\">Apple&#39;s and Nvidia&#39;s new opportunities</h2><p>The &#34;new&#34; has long worn off the iPhone. Apple hasn&#39;t rolled out truly head-turning technology improvements to its popular smartphone in years. As a result, iPhone upgrades have slowed considerably.</p><p>However, Apple&#39;s introduction of its new AI capabilities (called Apple Intelligence) could be a major turning point. Thus far, most AI functionality has run in the cloud. With Apple Intelligence, though, AI runs locally on the company&#39;s devices.</p><p>This approach is known as edge AI. It could be a massive new market opportunity that some analysts believe will spur an iPhone upgrade super cycle.</p><p>Unsurprisingly, Nvidia&#39;s new opportunity is also related to AI, and it&#39;s more of an extension of the company&#39;s current opportunity than anything entirely new. Nvidia&#39;s next wave of growth could come from an acceleration of AI capabilities that achieves or comes close to achieving artificial general intelligence (AGI) -- a form of AI that matches or exceeds human-level performance.</p><p>More powerful AI systems will undoubtedly require more powerful AI chips. Nvidia&#39;s GPUs continue to set the bar for performance.</p><h2 id=\"id_164152323\">Potential scenarios</h2><p>How could these AI opportunities pan out for Apple and Nvidia? Let&#39;s look at two potential scenarios -- one optimistic and the other pessimistic.</p><p>In an optimistic future, Apple&#39;s customers will flock to upgrade their iPhones and iPads to take advantage of the company&#39;s new AI features. Apple will continue to add capabilities regularly, attracting new customers who switch from rival smartphones. The company will return to double-digit growth and its iPhone ecosystem will become more valuable than ever.</p><p>Nvidia will continue to launch faster and faster chips. The pace of the company&#39;s innovation will be so rapid that no competitor will be able to keep up. As AI grows more powerful, Nvidia&#39;s technology will enjoy increasingly greater demand. The company&#39;s revenue, profits, and share price will soar.</p><p>In the pessimistic scenario, however, customers will ultimately view Apple Intelligence as merely a novelty. There&#39;ll be an initial modest uptick in iPhone upgrades, but nothing more. Apple&#39;s growth will be sluggish, at best, and its stock will flounder for years as a once-great company loses its way.</p><p>As for Nvidia, AGI or anything close to it may prove to be much more difficult to achieve than imagined. Large language models (LLMs) will reach a plateau in capability, and the demand for AI chips will decline with companies not seeing the desired return on investment.</p><p>Meanwhile, Nvidia&#39;s rivals and large cloud customers will roll out their own chips that are less expensive and compare favorably on performance with Nvidia&#39;s GPUs. Nvidia&#39;s market share -- and share price -- will fall sharply.</p><h2 id=\"id_2598065434\">Apple or Nvidia?</h2><p>Nvidia has clearly been the better stock in recent years and so far in 2024. But could Apple deliver greater gains going forward? Maybe.</p><p>I think the optimistic scenario (or something fairly close to it) is more likely for Apple than the pessimistic scenario. Although Apple&#39;s valuation is high, it doesn&#39;t have nearly as much projected growth baked in as Nvidia&#39;s does.</p><p>Some aspects of the pessimistic scenario for Nvidia also seem quite possible. AGI could be much further away than some predict. Other chipmakers are already aiming to challenge Nvidia&#39;s AI chip dominance.</p><p>If the optimistic scenarios play out for both Apple and Nvidia, I believe Nvidia will continue to be the bigger winner. However, I think the pessimistic scenario is less likely for Apple than for Nvidia.</p><p>I won&#39;t claim unequivocally that Apple is a better once-in-a-generation investment opportunity than Nvidia. My view is that both stocks should perform well for long-term investors. But for more cautious investors, Apple looks like the better pick.</p></body></html>","source":"fool_stock","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Is Apple a Better Once-in-a-Generation Investment Opportunity Than Nvidia Right Now?</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; 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The world changed afterward -- and Apple's share price skyrocketed.Many investors probably also view the introduction of ChatGPT as a once-in-a-generation investing opportunity with Nvidia. The demand for the company's graphics processing units (GPUs) in powering generative artificial intelligence (AI) applications took off and hasn't slowed since.By definition, such moments with Apple and Nvidia are rare. However, no rule says a company can't have multiple game-changing catalysts during its lifetime. Perhaps both Apple and Nvidia are once again presenting once-in-a-generation opportunities. If so, is Apple a better pick than Nvidia for investors right now?Apple's and Nvidia's new opportunitiesThe \"new\" has long worn off the iPhone. Apple hasn't rolled out truly head-turning technology improvements to its popular smartphone in years. As a result, iPhone upgrades have slowed considerably.However, Apple's introduction of its new AI capabilities (called Apple Intelligence) could be a major turning point. Thus far, most AI functionality has run in the cloud. With Apple Intelligence, though, AI runs locally on the company's devices.This approach is known as edge AI. It could be a massive new market opportunity that some analysts believe will spur an iPhone upgrade super cycle.Unsurprisingly, Nvidia's new opportunity is also related to AI, and it's more of an extension of the company's current opportunity than anything entirely new. Nvidia's next wave of growth could come from an acceleration of AI capabilities that achieves or comes close to achieving artificial general intelligence (AGI) -- a form of AI that matches or exceeds human-level performance.More powerful AI systems will undoubtedly require more powerful AI chips. Nvidia's GPUs continue to set the bar for performance.Potential scenariosHow could these AI opportunities pan out for Apple and Nvidia? Let's look at two potential scenarios -- one optimistic and the other pessimistic.In an optimistic future, Apple's customers will flock to upgrade their iPhones and iPads to take advantage of the company's new AI features. Apple will continue to add capabilities regularly, attracting new customers who switch from rival smartphones. The company will return to double-digit growth and its iPhone ecosystem will become more valuable than ever.Nvidia will continue to launch faster and faster chips. The pace of the company's innovation will be so rapid that no competitor will be able to keep up. As AI grows more powerful, Nvidia's technology will enjoy increasingly greater demand. The company's revenue, profits, and share price will soar.In the pessimistic scenario, however, customers will ultimately view Apple Intelligence as merely a novelty. There'll be an initial modest uptick in iPhone upgrades, but nothing more. Apple's growth will be sluggish, at best, and its stock will flounder for years as a once-great company loses its way.As for Nvidia, AGI or anything close to it may prove to be much more difficult to achieve than imagined. Large language models (LLMs) will reach a plateau in capability, and the demand for AI chips will decline with companies not seeing the desired return on investment.Meanwhile, Nvidia's rivals and large cloud customers will roll out their own chips that are less expensive and compare favorably on performance with Nvidia's GPUs. Nvidia's market share -- and share price -- will fall sharply.Apple or Nvidia?Nvidia has clearly been the better stock in recent years and so far in 2024. But could Apple deliver greater gains going forward? Maybe.I think the optimistic scenario (or something fairly close to it) is more likely for Apple than the pessimistic scenario. Although Apple's valuation is high, it doesn't have nearly as much projected growth baked in as Nvidia's does.Some aspects of the pessimistic scenario for Nvidia also seem quite possible. AGI could be much further away than some predict. Other chipmakers are already aiming to challenge Nvidia's AI chip dominance.If the optimistic scenarios play out for both Apple and Nvidia, I believe Nvidia will continue to be the bigger winner. However, I think the pessimistic scenario is less likely for Apple than for Nvidia.I won't claim unequivocally that Apple is a better once-in-a-generation investment opportunity than Nvidia. My view is that both stocks should perform well for long-term investors. But for more cautious investors, Apple looks like the better pick.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":1,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":322800752656488,"gmtCreate":1719839138405,"gmtModify":1719839143466,"author":{"id":"4164272763224692","authorId":"4164272763224692","name":"OngJH","avatar":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":2,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false},"themes":[],"htmlText":"Why not say 20 years 30 years 40 years, so shallow just making the word counts. High school essay. 10 years later will just rebuff as speculation. Eating the essay soon?","listText":"Why not say 20 years 30 years 40 years, so shallow just making the word counts. High school essay. 10 years later will just rebuff as speculation. Eating the essay soon?","text":"Why not say 20 years 30 years 40 years, so shallow just making the word counts. High school essay. 10 years later will just rebuff as speculation. Eating the essay soon?","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":1,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/322800752656488","repostId":"2447608276","repostType":4,"repost":{"id":"2447608276","pubTimestamp":1719813642,"share":"https://www.laohu8.com/m/news/2447608276?lang=&edition=full","pubTime":"2024-07-01 14:00","market":"nz","language":"en","title":"Microsoft: Currently Overvalued, But It's Set To Be A Potential Outperformer Throughout 2033","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2447608276","media":"seekingalpha","summary":"Since Microsoft has too many segments, I will focus on the ones providing the most revenue: Cloud, Office Products and Licenses, and Windows OS. In the PaaS and IaaS cloud markets, Microsoft boasts a 24% market share, which puts Microsoft in second place behind Amazon.com, Inc.  which holds 31%. However, what sets Microsoft apart is that its market share increased by 4% since 2020 when it was 20%. Meanwhile, Amazon's market share lost 1%. Statista Statista On the other ha","content":"<html><head></head><body><ul style=\"\"><li><p>Microsoft&#39;s valuation is upgraded from &#34;hold&#34; to &#34;buy&#34; with a near-term target of $417.30 and a 2033 target of $1,099.90, implying 14.6% annual returns.</p></li><li><p>The Company&#39;s growth is driven by its cloud business (Azure), and acquisitions like Activision-Blizzard.</p></li><li><p>MSFT holds a 24% cloud market share (second to Amazon&#39;s 31%) and dominates with a 72.17% share in the PC OS market.</p></li><li><p>Microsoft&#39;s TAM is expected to grow from $754.1B in 2024 to $1.70T by 2029, with the cloud segment driving most of the growth.</p></li><li><p>The valuation (which uses a DCF model) suggests 14.6% annual returns throughout 2033 (and could be higher if Azure grows faster than expected).</p></li></ul><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/993d2dbd835b83c14174232aa462c917\" tg-width=\"750\" tg-height=\"538\"/></p><p>InnaFelker</p><p></p><h2 id=\"id_1050932963\">Thesis</h2><p>In my previous article on Microsoft Corporation (NASDAQ:MSFT), I downgraded the stock from &#34;buy&#34; to &#34;hold&#34;, explaining that according to my models, Microsoft had reached a fair valuation when it was trading at $425.52 (which was 6.6% higher than my fair stock price estimate of $397.49). Furthermore, I suggested that the stock could reach a price of $701.68, translating into 10.50% annual returns throughout 2024-2029.</p><p>Microsoft released Q3 2024 earnings on April 25. For that quarter, Microsoft reported an EPS of $2.94 (3.8% higher than estimated) and revenues of $61.9B (1.65% higher than estimated).</p><p>After revising my valuation on Microsoft, I arrived at a near-term stock price target of $417.30, and a 2033 target of $1,099.90. The first number implies a 6.5% downside from the current stock price of $446.34, and the former, is 14.6% annual returns throughout 2024-2033 (which already sets Microsoft as an outperformer), furthermore, if Azure grows faster than the growth rate I used, Microsoft could become undervalued. Because of these reasons, I upgrade the stock from &#34;hold&#34; to &#34;buy&#34;.</p><h2 id=\"id_2779944536\">Overview</h2><h4 id=\"id_747025263\">Growth Plan</h4><p>Microsoft&#39;s recent growth primarily comes from its cloud business Azure. Microsoft has been doting Azure of AI capabilities by establishing new Data Centers, for instance, Microsoft is one of Nvidia Corporation&#39;s (NVDA) major clients.</p><p>Microsoft also acquires businesses related to its already established segments, such as when it bought Activision Blizzard, which owns games such as the Call of Duty franchise, Diablo, and Overwatch 2. This acquisition brought up a lot of scrutiny from regulators (particularly from the UK) since it helped Microsoft to create a network effect with its Xbox platform (which dominates the gaming consoles market along with the PlayStation and the Nintendo Switch).</p><h4 id=\"id_661735772\">How does Microsoft Compare Against Peers?</h4><p>Since Microsoft has too many segments, I will focus on the ones providing the most revenue: Cloud, Office Products and Licenses, and Windows OS.</p><p>In the PaaS and IaaS cloud markets, Microsoft boasts a 24% market share, which puts Microsoft in second place behind Amazon.com, Inc. (AMZN) which holds 31%. However, what sets Microsoft apart is that its market share increased by 4% since 2020 when it was 20%. Meanwhile, Amazon&#39;s market share lost 1%.</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/8ffaaa09600ecd94158b7f3d669e06f9\" tg-width=\"1200\" tg-height=\"1200\"/></p><p>Statista</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/c4cce7f5e06bcaeb53b641bc7ad3f71e\" tg-width=\"1280\" tg-height=\"720\"/></p><p>Statista</p><p></p><p>On the other hand, Microsoft Office holds a 30% market share, which is behind Alphabet, Inc. (GOOG)(GOOGL), which has 44%. This is because Google&#39;s Office version is free and enough for casual users such as students. However, Google Sheets (Google&#39;s version of Excel) lacks some crucial capabilities that Excel has.</p><p>Lastly, Windows continues to dominate the PC OS market, holding an impressive 72.17% market share. In second place, it&#39;s Apple (AAPL) with a 15.42% market share.</p><h4 id=\"id_166055940\">Industry Outlook &amp; Addressable Market</h4><p>The productivity &amp; business processes segment, comprises Office 365, on-premise office licenses, LinkedIn, and Dynamics 365 intelligent cloud. The business productivity market is expected to reach a $59.37B valuation in 2024 and $120.52B in 2029. This shows an annual CAGR of 15.29%.</p><p>Meanwhile, the Worldwide Public Cloud market is expected to have a market volume of $282.2B in 2024, which should increase to $1.06T in 2028, thus showcasing an annual growth rate of 11.37%. This is the market in which Microsoft&#39;s intelligent cloud segment is. This segment offers Azure, SQL servers, Windows Server, Visual Studio, System Center, and related licenses.</p><p>Lastly, the &#34;<strong>More Personal Computing</strong>&#34; segment, agglomerates very diverse products such as the Windows OS, Microsoft Surface devices, HoloLens, XBOX, Microsoft Edge, Bing search engine, and PC accessories such as mice and keyboards.</p><p>The worldwide gaming console market is expected to reach a $26.43B valuation for 2024 and $43.12B for 2029, translating into an 8.50% CAGR throughout that period.</p><p>Then, the global PC Accessories market is expected to reach a $27.58B valuation in 2024 and $48.9B in 2029, which is a 12.13% CAGR.</p><p>Then, I calculated Bing &amp; Microsoft Edge TAM to estimate the expected total internet users. For 2024TTM, Google Search Engine <strong>has $188.85B in revenues</strong>, which <strong>divided by</strong> the total <strong>users of 4.29K</strong>, yields a result of <strong>$43.99 per user</strong>. For 2024, the total <strong>number of internet users is estimated to be 5.25B</strong>. For 2029, that number should increase to 6.58 B. Therefore, what I did is that I assumed that Microsoft (to compete) will <strong>maintain the same revenue per user as Google</strong>. This means that Bing&#39;s TAM for 2024 would stand at around $231.12B, and will increase to $289.45B by 2029. Which <strong>showcases a 4.21% CAGR throughout that period</strong>.</p><p>With all these segments, Microsoft&#39;s <strong>current TAM is at $754.1B</strong>, and <strong>for 2029, the TAM should increase to $1.70T</strong>, which <strong>is a 21.11% annual growth</strong>. However, as was already expected, most of that TAM growth, comes from the Cloud because realistically, Microsoft Surface devices will have it difficult to grow, as well as PC accessories, and XBOX. After all, these three markets have what I will call &#34;an untouchable competitor&#34;.</p><p>In the case of PCs, if a programmer wants to program for Apple devices, he needs to do it in an Apple device (like a Mac), therefore entering the PC market for programmers is nearly impossible.</p><p>Meanwhile, in the case of accessories, there are gamer brands, and Microsoft does not make gaming keyboards and mice.</p><p>Lastly, for Xbox, the only way Microsoft would be able to concentrate the market is if Nintendo Co., Ltd. (OTCPK:NTDOY) licenses its content to Microsoft, and that will never happen, since Nintendo knows that this exclusivity is its moat.</p><table style=\"border-collapse:collapse;\"><colgroup><col/><col/><col/><col/></colgroup><tbody><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Segments</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>TAM 2024</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>TAM 2029</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>CAGR %</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Productivity &amp; Business Processes</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>59,270.0</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>120,520.0</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>15.25%</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Intelligent Cloud</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>282,200.0</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>1,060,000.0</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>15.66%</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Xbox</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>26,430.6</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>43,120.7</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p></p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>PC Accessories</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>27,580.0</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>48,900.0</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>12.13%</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Bing &amp; Microsoft Edge</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>231,123.5</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>289,454.2</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>4.21%</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Microsoft Surface Devices</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>127,500.0</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>147,386.5</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>3.69%</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Total</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>754,104.1</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>1,709,381.3</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>21.11%</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>CAGR%</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p></p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>21.11%</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p></p></td></tr></tbody></table><p>Click to enlarge</p><h2 id=\"id_2883581705\">Valuation</h2><p>I will value Microsoft through a DCF model. The first thing to be calculated will be the WACC, which I calculated with the already-known formula (and you can find a more detailed formula in the DCF model). The result was 11.35%.</p><p>Then, the D&amp;A margin will be projected with a margin tied to revenue, which came out at 6.52%.</p><p>Lastly, the CapEx margin throughout the projection will remain constant at 16.72%.</p><table style=\"border-collapse:collapse;\"><colgroup><col/><col/></colgroup><tbody><tr><td colspan=\"2\" style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>TABLE OF ASSUMPTIONS</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Equity Market Price</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>3,317,645.22</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Debt Value</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>106,229.00</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Cost of Debt</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2.60%</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Tax Rate</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>18.13%</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>10y Treasury</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>4.219%</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Beta</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>1.18</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Market Return</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>10.50%</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Cost of Equity</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>11.63%</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>CapEx</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>39,547.00</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Capex Margin</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>16.72%</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Net Income</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>86,181.00</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Interest</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2,762.00</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Tax</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>19,082.00</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>D&amp;A</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>15,420.00</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>EBITDA</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>123,445.00</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>D&amp;A Margin</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>6.52%</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Revenue</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>236,584.0</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>R&amp;D Expense Margin</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>17.05%</p></td></tr></tbody></table><p>Click to enlarge</p><p>The first thing is to calculate revenues, and the first segment I will calculate is <strong>Activision-Blizzard</strong>. For 2023, the now-acquired company generated $8.7B in revenues. Now, the problem is that it&#39;s impossible to predict which games are going to be a success and which not. Therefore, I will assume a conservative growth rate of 5.20%.</p><p>Then, the <strong>productivity &amp; business Processes,</strong> and <strong>Intelligent Cloud</strong> will grow in line with its market, by 15.25% and 15.66% respectively.</p><table style=\"border-collapse:collapse;\"><colgroup><col/><col/></colgroup><tbody><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p></p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Revenue of Activision</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Productivity &amp; Business Processes</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Intelligent Cloud</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2023</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>8,706.0</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>69,275.0</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>87,902.3</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2024</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>9,158.7</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>79,839.4</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>101,667.8</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2025</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>9,635.0</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>92,015.0</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>117,589.0</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2026</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>10,136.0</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>106,047.2</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>136,003.4</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2027</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>10,663.1</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>122,219.4</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>157,301.5</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2028</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>11,217.5</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>140,857.9</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>181,935.0</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2029</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>11,800.8</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>162,338.7</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>210,426.0</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2030</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>13,480.1</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>187,095.4</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>243,378.7</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2031</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>15,398.3</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>215,627.4</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>281,491.8</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2032</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>16,493.1</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>248,510.6</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>325,573.4</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2033</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>17,665.8</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>286,408.5</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>376,558.2</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Growth Rate %</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>5.20%</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>15.25%</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>15.66%</p></td></tr></tbody></table><p>Click to enlarge</p><p>Now, starting with the &#34;More Personal Computing&#34; segment I found that <strong>Xbox</strong> sales totaled $15.46B for 2023. This segment will also grow in line with its market, 8.50%.</p><p>On the other hand, <strong>Bing</strong> had a <strong>market share of around 10.53%</strong> in 2023 (which multiplied by the total amount of internet users in that year, means that Bing had around <strong>543.13M users</strong>). After dividing the estimated $12.21B in revenue generated by Bing in 2023, I got that this division could be generating <strong>around $22.48 per user</strong> (which is lower than Google&#39;s $36.29). Then, I multiply that $22.48 in revenues per user by the estimated internet users to get the revenue estimates. This also yields a growth rate of 4.59% for 2023-2029 which I will use to project revenue for 2030-2033.</p><table style=\"border-collapse:collapse;\"><colgroup><col/><col/></colgroup><tbody><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p></p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Internet Users</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Bing&#39;s Share</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2024</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>5,254.00</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>553.25</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2025</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>5,470.00</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>575.99</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2026</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>5,690.00</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>599.16</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2027</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>5,910.00</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>622.32</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2028</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>6,350.00</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>668.66</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2029</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>6,580.00</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>692.87</p></td></tr></tbody></table><p>Click to enlarge</p><p>Meanwhile, it&#39;s estimated that <strong>Microsoft Surface devices</strong>&#39; sales tanked by 30% for 2023, which generated losses of up to $1.8B. By doing the rule of three, I found that Microsoft <strong>would have generated $6B in revenues for 2023</strong>. This segment will grow in line with the worldwide laptop market at 3.69%.</p><p>Lastly, <strong>Windows operating system</strong> revenue is speculated to have been around $24.61B in 2023. This was calculated via the rule of three, since in 2023, Windows revenue fell by $3.2B which was 13%. Therefore, I calculated the 100% with that information. This segment will grow in line with the worldwide PC market at 1.13%.</p><p>However, these calculations for 2023 say that Microsoft generated $63.35B for the &#34;More Personal Computing&#34; segment, which is substantially more than the reported $54.73B. Therefore, I will divide the $19.3B difference by the 5 subsegments, and then subtract the $3.806B result from each of them, so I can be able to correct the difference from the resulting segment result with the actual segment result.</p><table style=\"border-collapse:collapse;\"><colgroup><col/><col/></colgroup><tbody><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p></p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Xbox</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>PC Accessories</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Bing &amp; Microsoft Edge</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Microsoft Surface Devices</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Windows Os</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2023</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>11,659.52</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>11,672.52</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>8,403.52</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2,193.52</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>20,808.52</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2024</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>12,650.58</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>13,088.40</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>12,436.97</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2,274.46</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>21,043.66</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2025</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>13,725.88</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>14,676.02</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>12,948.28</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2,358.39</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>21,281.45</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2026</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>14,892.58</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>16,456.22</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>13,469.05</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2,445.41</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>21,521.93</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2027</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>16,158.45</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>18,452.36</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>13,989.82</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2,535.65</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>21,765.13</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2028</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>17,531.92</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>20,690.63</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>15,031.36</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2,629.21</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>22,011.07</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2029</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>19,022.13</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>23,200.40</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>15,575.81</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2,726.23</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>22,259.80</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2030</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>20,639.01</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>26,014.61</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>17,791.43</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2,826.83</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>22,511.33</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2031</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>22,393.32</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>29,170.19</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>20,322.22</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2,931.14</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>22,765.71</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2032</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>24,296.76</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>32,708.53</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>23,213.01</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>3,039.30</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>23,022.97</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2033</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>26,361.98</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>36,676.07</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>26,515.01</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>3,151.45</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>23,283.12</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Growth Rate %</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>8.50%</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>12.13%</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>14.22%</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>3.69%</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>1.13%</p></td></tr></tbody></table><p>Click to enlarge</p><p>Then, I will calculate net income. The first step is <strong>gross income</strong>, which I will <strong>maintain</strong> the <strong>current gross margin of 69.89%</strong>. Meanwhile, general expenses will be tied to full-time employees. In 2023 general expenses were $27.19B, which was divided by the number of employees at that time of 221K. This resulted in an expense per employee of $120K (this is also an indication that Microsoft pays goods). Then I will <strong>assume</strong> that <strong>Microsoft</strong> will <strong>hire 19.33K new workers</strong> <strong>annually</strong>, in line with 2021-2023.</p><p>On the other hand, <strong>R&amp;D expenses</strong> will be calculated with a margin tied to gross income, which currently stands at 17.05%.</p><p>Then it&#39;s the time to calculate <strong>short &amp; long-term debt</strong> and interest income &amp; expenses. Short &amp; long-term debt will have annual changes in line with their 2018-20222 performance of 26.4%, and -8.7% respectively. Meanwhile, <strong>marketable securities</strong> will be growing at a <strong>4.2% annual rate</strong>.</p><p>Then, I found that in 2019, <strong>when</strong> interest <strong>rates were lower than now</strong>, <strong>Microsoft paid</strong> a <strong>3.11% interest on debt</strong> and <strong>received</strong> a <strong>2.26% annual return</strong> on <strong>its marketable securities</strong>.</p><p>However, for 2024TTM (<strong>when interest rates are high</strong>) Microsoft has paid a <strong>2.60% interest on debt</strong> (yes, lower than when interest rates were lower) and has <strong>received</strong> a <strong>5.67% return on marketable securities</strong>.</p><p>So with this information, I will <strong>assume an interest on a debt payment of 2.60%</strong> throughout the project. Then I will assume that for 2024 and 2027 Microsoft will receive a 5.67% return on its marketable securities and for the other years, it will receive 2.26%. This is because <strong>I am expecting that for 2024 and 2027, interest rates will increase again</strong>. If you want to read the full explanation, you can check the valuation section of my article on JPMorgan Chase &amp; Co. (JPM).</p><p>Nevertheless, <strong>for 2030-2033</strong>, I will use <strong>the average marketable securities annual return of 3.96%</strong> (the average of 5.67% and 2.26%) since I have not made an interest rates projection for the years beyond 2029.</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/a3392d113dc4ba4877f8acbef1242006\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"204\"/></p><p>Author&#39;s Calculations</p><p></p><table style=\"border-collapse:collapse;\"><colgroup><col/><col/></colgroup><tbody><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p></p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Revenue</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Net Income</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Plus Taxes</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Plus D&amp;A</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Plus Interest</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2024</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$252,160.0</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$96,208.66</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$121,411.75</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$137,846.96</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$140,091.07</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2025</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$284,228.9</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$106,918.84</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$134,927.57</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$151,362.78</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$153,846.25</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2026</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$320,971.8</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$121,768.87</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$153,667.72</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$174,587.92</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$177,522.65</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2027</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$363,085.4</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$141,490.60</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$178,555.78</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$202,220.85</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$205,652.88</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2028</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$411,904.6</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$159,289.99</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$201,017.91</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$227,864.90</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$231,956.74</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2029</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$467,349.9</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$182,609.20</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$230,228.11</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$260,688.91</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$265,614.55</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2030</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$533,737.4</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$211,816.29</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$267,304.04</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$302,091.82</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$308,071.13</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2031</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$610,100.1</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$244,241.04</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$308,222.81</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$347,987.73</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$355,298.55</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2032</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$696,857.7</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$281,168.43</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$354,823.73</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$400,243.31</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$409,236.74</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2033</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$796,620.1</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$323,724.30</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$408,527.57</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$460,449.44</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>$471,569.18</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p></p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p></p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p></p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p></p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p></p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>^Final EBITA^</p></td></tr></tbody></table><p>Click to enlarge</p><p>Then, I assume that <strong>current assets</strong> <strong>will grow at 1.72%</strong>, thus mirroring the performance during 2018-2022. Then, with this, I use the undiscounted cash flows highlighted in green and add the future equity value, which is composed of the future short &amp; long-term debt, current assets, and marketable securities.</p><p>Lastly, the <strong>perpetuity growth rate</strong> in the model <strong>is 1.82%</strong>. This number was calculated by dividing the resulting free cash flow growth rate from the projection (25.07%) and dividing it by the difference between it and the WACC of 11.35% (<strong>25.07%/(25.07%-11.35%)=1.82%</strong>).</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/bf10435f50c20656579b988a32525d88\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"505\"/></p><p>Author&#39;s Calculations</p><p></p><p>As you can see, the model suggests that the stock (today) should be trading at $417.30, which is 6.5% below the current stock price of $446.34. For the future, the model suggests that the stock could be trading at $1,099.90 in 2033. Yes, that&#39;s a 146.4% upside from the current stock price, however when dividing that by the 10 years until the end of 2033, you get 14.6% annual returns.</p><h4 id=\"id_2386006103\">What if Azure could grow at 20-25% annually?</h4><p>If I increase Azure revenue growth from 15.66% to 20%, then the present fair price of Microsoft would be $484.22 (which is 8.5% above the current stock price), and a 2033 stock price target of $1,287.45 (which suggests 18.8% annual returns).</p><p>Then, If I increase that 20% revenue growth to 25%, the present fair price increases to $600.74 and the future price to $1,617.07. The first number indicates a 34.6% undervaluation of Microsoft&#39;s stock, and the future price indicates 26.2% annual returns throughout 2033.</p><h4 id=\"id_4161173946\">But, is that possible?</h4><p>Since 2015, Intelligent Cloud has only surpassed the 30% growth rate in 2021. The average revenue growth rate of this segment has been 17.74%, which is slightly lower than the first 20% hypothetical scenario, and 7.26% lower than the second 25% hypothetical scenario.</p><table style=\"border-collapse:collapse;\"><colgroup><col/><col/><col/></colgroup><tbody><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p></p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Annual Revenue of Microsoft&#39;s Intelligent Cloud</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>Change %</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2015</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>23684</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p></p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2016</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>25040</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>5.73%</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2017</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>27400</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>9.42%</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2018</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>32230</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>17.63%</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2019</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>38990</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>20.97%</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2020</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>44450</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>14.00%</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2021</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>60000</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>34.98%</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2022</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>74700</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>24.50%</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2023</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>86930</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>16.37%</p></td></tr><tr><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>2024 TTM</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>100850</p></td><td style=\"text-align:left;\"><p>16.01%</p></td></tr></tbody></table><p>Click to enlarge</p><p>It&#39;s also worth noting that if I take out 2015 and 2016, the average Azure annual growth rate increases to 20.64%. However, the problem is that, in the past, when the cloud market was growing faster, Azure just achieved a growth rate of over 20% in 2019, 2021, and 2022. Thus, there&#39;s more probability that Azure will grow below the required 20% (which would make Microsoft undervalued by a mere 8.5%)</p><p>Nevertheless, it&#39;s good that even with the 15.66% originally used in this projection, the suggested annual return of 14.6% is still above the historic 10.50% annual returns of the market, which sets Microsoft to be an outperformer, even if the stock price decreased by 6.5% to adjust to my fair stock price estimate of $417.30.</p><h2 id=\"id_88032998\">Risks to Thesis</h2><p>The main risk for my thesis is that Microsoft suddenly can achieve that high 30% growth rate that is required for a fair stock price of $496.21. This may be the reason why Microsoft&#39;s stock has been increasing past my fair stock price estimates because the optimism on Azure has passed the logical boundary.</p><p>However, I think that there are more risks related to Microsoft than to my thesis, for example, Microsoft would have it very difficult to perform any big-scale acquisition such as the Activision one.</p><p>Then, there is also the risk that Microsoft is more prone to lose market share than to gain it, yes Azure has grown its market share by 4% since 2020. However, that will be very difficult for Windows, or Microsoft Office. At best, what Microsoft could do is to boost the sales of Surface devices, however, the problem with that is the differentiation factor. What happened with <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/IBM\">IBM</a> is that its PCs were made by third-party components to which the competition could also access, and then its computers lost ground to cheaper alternatives, and the same thing happens today.</p><h2 id=\"id_2019918090\">Evolution of My Fair Price Estimates</h2><p>Since my first coverage on Microsoft, my fair price estimate has increased by 12.29%. Concerning my previous coverage, the reason for the increase from $397.49 to the present $417.30, the model I did in this article, covers 10 years, and not 6 as the previous one did. The main effect is that the total amount of cash flows increases in the model, which ultimately leads to an increased fair stock price.</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/d985bec6886950475008be2ad5790621\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"417\"/></p><p>Author&#39;s Calculations</p><p></p><h2 id=\"id_1324337767\">Conclusion</h2><p>In conclusion, Microsoft continues to be overvalued, however, Microsoft&#39;s current valuation (despite a 6.5% overvaluation) is a good point to enter (in my opinion) and wait for Azure to deliver higher returns than the 15.66% used for my estimates. The suggested annual returns in my base model are 14.6% (which already sets Microsoft as an outperformer against the market&#39;s 10.50% annual return average).</p><p>Lastly, I assigned a near-term target for Microsoft&#39;s stock at $417.30, which is 6.5% below the current stock price of $446.34, and a 2033 stock price target at $1,099.90, which implies a 14.6% annual return throughout the 10 years.</p></body></html>","source":"seekingalpha","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Microsoft: Currently Overvalued, But It's Set To Be A Potential Outperformer Throughout 2033</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; 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Furthermore, I suggested that the stock could reach a price of $701.68, translating into 10.50% annual returns throughout 2024-2029.Microsoft released Q3 2024 earnings on April 25. For that quarter, Microsoft reported an EPS of $2.94 (3.8% higher than estimated) and revenues of $61.9B (1.65% higher than estimated).After revising my valuation on Microsoft, I arrived at a near-term stock price target of $417.30, and a 2033 target of $1,099.90. The first number implies a 6.5% downside from the current stock price of $446.34, and the former, is 14.6% annual returns throughout 2024-2033 (which already sets Microsoft as an outperformer), furthermore, if Azure grows faster than the growth rate I used, Microsoft could become undervalued. Because of these reasons, I upgrade the stock from \"hold\" to \"buy\".OverviewGrowth PlanMicrosoft's recent growth primarily comes from its cloud business Azure. Microsoft has been doting Azure of AI capabilities by establishing new Data Centers, for instance, Microsoft is one of Nvidia Corporation's (NVDA) major clients.Microsoft also acquires businesses related to its already established segments, such as when it bought Activision Blizzard, which owns games such as the Call of Duty franchise, Diablo, and Overwatch 2. This acquisition brought up a lot of scrutiny from regulators (particularly from the UK) since it helped Microsoft to create a network effect with its Xbox platform (which dominates the gaming consoles market along with the PlayStation and the Nintendo Switch).How does Microsoft Compare Against Peers?Since Microsoft has too many segments, I will focus on the ones providing the most revenue: Cloud, Office Products and Licenses, and Windows OS.In the PaaS and IaaS cloud markets, Microsoft boasts a 24% market share, which puts Microsoft in second place behind Amazon.com, Inc. (AMZN) which holds 31%. However, what sets Microsoft apart is that its market share increased by 4% since 2020 when it was 20%. Meanwhile, Amazon's market share lost 1%.StatistaStatistaOn the other hand, Microsoft Office holds a 30% market share, which is behind Alphabet, Inc. (GOOG)(GOOGL), which has 44%. This is because Google's Office version is free and enough for casual users such as students. However, Google Sheets (Google's version of Excel) lacks some crucial capabilities that Excel has.Lastly, Windows continues to dominate the PC OS market, holding an impressive 72.17% market share. In second place, it's Apple (AAPL) with a 15.42% market share.Industry Outlook & Addressable MarketThe productivity & business processes segment, comprises Office 365, on-premise office licenses, LinkedIn, and Dynamics 365 intelligent cloud. The business productivity market is expected to reach a $59.37B valuation in 2024 and $120.52B in 2029. This shows an annual CAGR of 15.29%.Meanwhile, the Worldwide Public Cloud market is expected to have a market volume of $282.2B in 2024, which should increase to $1.06T in 2028, thus showcasing an annual growth rate of 11.37%. This is the market in which Microsoft's intelligent cloud segment is. This segment offers Azure, SQL servers, Windows Server, Visual Studio, System Center, and related licenses.Lastly, the \"More Personal Computing\" segment, agglomerates very diverse products such as the Windows OS, Microsoft Surface devices, HoloLens, XBOX, Microsoft Edge, Bing search engine, and PC accessories such as mice and keyboards.The worldwide gaming console market is expected to reach a $26.43B valuation for 2024 and $43.12B for 2029, translating into an 8.50% CAGR throughout that period.Then, the global PC Accessories market is expected to reach a $27.58B valuation in 2024 and $48.9B in 2029, which is a 12.13% CAGR.Then, I calculated Bing & Microsoft Edge TAM to estimate the expected total internet users. For 2024TTM, Google Search Engine has $188.85B in revenues, which divided by the total users of 4.29K, yields a result of $43.99 per user. For 2024, the total number of internet users is estimated to be 5.25B. For 2029, that number should increase to 6.58 B. Therefore, what I did is that I assumed that Microsoft (to compete) will maintain the same revenue per user as Google. This means that Bing's TAM for 2024 would stand at around $231.12B, and will increase to $289.45B by 2029. Which showcases a 4.21% CAGR throughout that period.With all these segments, Microsoft's current TAM is at $754.1B, and for 2029, the TAM should increase to $1.70T, which is a 21.11% annual growth. However, as was already expected, most of that TAM growth, comes from the Cloud because realistically, Microsoft Surface devices will have it difficult to grow, as well as PC accessories, and XBOX. After all, these three markets have what I will call \"an untouchable competitor\".In the case of PCs, if a programmer wants to program for Apple devices, he needs to do it in an Apple device (like a Mac), therefore entering the PC market for programmers is nearly impossible.Meanwhile, in the case of accessories, there are gamer brands, and Microsoft does not make gaming keyboards and mice.Lastly, for Xbox, the only way Microsoft would be able to concentrate the market is if Nintendo Co., Ltd. (OTCPK:NTDOY) licenses its content to Microsoft, and that will never happen, since Nintendo knows that this exclusivity is its moat.SegmentsTAM 2024TAM 2029CAGR %Productivity & Business Processes59,270.0120,520.015.25%Intelligent Cloud282,200.01,060,000.015.66%Xbox26,430.643,120.7PC Accessories27,580.048,900.012.13%Bing & Microsoft Edge231,123.5289,454.24.21%Microsoft Surface Devices127,500.0147,386.53.69%Total754,104.11,709,381.321.11%CAGR%21.11%Click to enlargeValuationI will value Microsoft through a DCF model. The first thing to be calculated will be the WACC, which I calculated with the already-known formula (and you can find a more detailed formula in the DCF model). The result was 11.35%.Then, the D&A margin will be projected with a margin tied to revenue, which came out at 6.52%.Lastly, the CapEx margin throughout the projection will remain constant at 16.72%.TABLE OF ASSUMPTIONSEquity Market Price3,317,645.22Debt Value106,229.00Cost of Debt2.60%Tax Rate18.13%10y Treasury4.219%Beta1.18Market Return10.50%Cost of Equity11.63%CapEx39,547.00Capex Margin16.72%Net Income86,181.00Interest2,762.00Tax19,082.00D&A15,420.00EBITDA123,445.00D&A Margin6.52%Revenue236,584.0R&D Expense Margin17.05%Click to enlargeThe first thing is to calculate revenues, and the first segment I will calculate is Activision-Blizzard. For 2023, the now-acquired company generated $8.7B in revenues. Now, the problem is that it's impossible to predict which games are going to be a success and which not. Therefore, I will assume a conservative growth rate of 5.20%.Then, the productivity & business Processes, and Intelligent Cloud will grow in line with its market, by 15.25% and 15.66% respectively.Revenue of ActivisionProductivity & Business ProcessesIntelligent Cloud20238,706.069,275.087,902.320249,158.779,839.4101,667.820259,635.092,015.0117,589.0202610,136.0106,047.2136,003.4202710,663.1122,219.4157,301.5202811,217.5140,857.9181,935.0202911,800.8162,338.7210,426.0203013,480.1187,095.4243,378.7203115,398.3215,627.4281,491.8203216,493.1248,510.6325,573.4203317,665.8286,408.5376,558.2Growth Rate %5.20%15.25%15.66%Click to enlargeNow, starting with the \"More Personal Computing\" segment I found that Xbox sales totaled $15.46B for 2023. This segment will also grow in line with its market, 8.50%.On the other hand, Bing had a market share of around 10.53% in 2023 (which multiplied by the total amount of internet users in that year, means that Bing had around 543.13M users). After dividing the estimated $12.21B in revenue generated by Bing in 2023, I got that this division could be generating around $22.48 per user (which is lower than Google's $36.29). Then, I multiply that $22.48 in revenues per user by the estimated internet users to get the revenue estimates. This also yields a growth rate of 4.59% for 2023-2029 which I will use to project revenue for 2030-2033.Internet UsersBing's Share20245,254.00553.2520255,470.00575.9920265,690.00599.1620275,910.00622.3220286,350.00668.6620296,580.00692.87Click to enlargeMeanwhile, it's estimated that Microsoft Surface devices' sales tanked by 30% for 2023, which generated losses of up to $1.8B. By doing the rule of three, I found that Microsoft would have generated $6B in revenues for 2023. This segment will grow in line with the worldwide laptop market at 3.69%.Lastly, Windows operating system revenue is speculated to have been around $24.61B in 2023. This was calculated via the rule of three, since in 2023, Windows revenue fell by $3.2B which was 13%. Therefore, I calculated the 100% with that information. This segment will grow in line with the worldwide PC market at 1.13%.However, these calculations for 2023 say that Microsoft generated $63.35B for the \"More Personal Computing\" segment, which is substantially more than the reported $54.73B. Therefore, I will divide the $19.3B difference by the 5 subsegments, and then subtract the $3.806B result from each of them, so I can be able to correct the difference from the resulting segment result with the actual segment result.XboxPC AccessoriesBing & Microsoft EdgeMicrosoft Surface DevicesWindows Os202311,659.5211,672.528,403.522,193.5220,808.52202412,650.5813,088.4012,436.972,274.4621,043.66202513,725.8814,676.0212,948.282,358.3921,281.45202614,892.5816,456.2213,469.052,445.4121,521.93202716,158.4518,452.3613,989.822,535.6521,765.13202817,531.9220,690.6315,031.362,629.2122,011.07202919,022.1323,200.4015,575.812,726.2322,259.80203020,639.0126,014.6117,791.432,826.8322,511.33203122,393.3229,170.1920,322.222,931.1422,765.71203224,296.7632,708.5323,213.013,039.3023,022.97203326,361.9836,676.0726,515.013,151.4523,283.12Growth Rate %8.50%12.13%14.22%3.69%1.13%Click to enlargeThen, I will calculate net income. The first step is gross income, which I will maintain the current gross margin of 69.89%. Meanwhile, general expenses will be tied to full-time employees. In 2023 general expenses were $27.19B, which was divided by the number of employees at that time of 221K. This resulted in an expense per employee of $120K (this is also an indication that Microsoft pays goods). Then I will assume that Microsoft will hire 19.33K new workers annually, in line with 2021-2023.On the other hand, R&D expenses will be calculated with a margin tied to gross income, which currently stands at 17.05%.Then it's the time to calculate short & long-term debt and interest income & expenses. Short & long-term debt will have annual changes in line with their 2018-20222 performance of 26.4%, and -8.7% respectively. Meanwhile, marketable securities will be growing at a 4.2% annual rate.Then, I found that in 2019, when interest rates were lower than now, Microsoft paid a 3.11% interest on debt and received a 2.26% annual return on its marketable securities.However, for 2024TTM (when interest rates are high) Microsoft has paid a 2.60% interest on debt (yes, lower than when interest rates were lower) and has received a 5.67% return on marketable securities.So with this information, I will assume an interest on a debt payment of 2.60% throughout the project. Then I will assume that for 2024 and 2027 Microsoft will receive a 5.67% return on its marketable securities and for the other years, it will receive 2.26%. This is because I am expecting that for 2024 and 2027, interest rates will increase again. If you want to read the full explanation, you can check the valuation section of my article on JPMorgan Chase & Co. (JPM).Nevertheless, for 2030-2033, I will use the average marketable securities annual return of 3.96% (the average of 5.67% and 2.26%) since I have not made an interest rates projection for the years beyond 2029.Author's CalculationsRevenueNet IncomePlus TaxesPlus D&APlus Interest2024$252,160.0$96,208.66$121,411.75$137,846.96$140,091.072025$284,228.9$106,918.84$134,927.57$151,362.78$153,846.252026$320,971.8$121,768.87$153,667.72$174,587.92$177,522.652027$363,085.4$141,490.60$178,555.78$202,220.85$205,652.882028$411,904.6$159,289.99$201,017.91$227,864.90$231,956.742029$467,349.9$182,609.20$230,228.11$260,688.91$265,614.552030$533,737.4$211,816.29$267,304.04$302,091.82$308,071.132031$610,100.1$244,241.04$308,222.81$347,987.73$355,298.552032$696,857.7$281,168.43$354,823.73$400,243.31$409,236.742033$796,620.1$323,724.30$408,527.57$460,449.44$471,569.18^Final EBITA^Click to enlargeThen, I assume that current assets will grow at 1.72%, thus mirroring the performance during 2018-2022. Then, with this, I use the undiscounted cash flows highlighted in green and add the future equity value, which is composed of the future short & long-term debt, current assets, and marketable securities.Lastly, the perpetuity growth rate in the model is 1.82%. This number was calculated by dividing the resulting free cash flow growth rate from the projection (25.07%) and dividing it by the difference between it and the WACC of 11.35% (25.07%/(25.07%-11.35%)=1.82%).Author's CalculationsAs you can see, the model suggests that the stock (today) should be trading at $417.30, which is 6.5% below the current stock price of $446.34. For the future, the model suggests that the stock could be trading at $1,099.90 in 2033. Yes, that's a 146.4% upside from the current stock price, however when dividing that by the 10 years until the end of 2033, you get 14.6% annual returns.What if Azure could grow at 20-25% annually?If I increase Azure revenue growth from 15.66% to 20%, then the present fair price of Microsoft would be $484.22 (which is 8.5% above the current stock price), and a 2033 stock price target of $1,287.45 (which suggests 18.8% annual returns).Then, If I increase that 20% revenue growth to 25%, the present fair price increases to $600.74 and the future price to $1,617.07. The first number indicates a 34.6% undervaluation of Microsoft's stock, and the future price indicates 26.2% annual returns throughout 2033.But, is that possible?Since 2015, Intelligent Cloud has only surpassed the 30% growth rate in 2021. The average revenue growth rate of this segment has been 17.74%, which is slightly lower than the first 20% hypothetical scenario, and 7.26% lower than the second 25% hypothetical scenario.Annual Revenue of Microsoft's Intelligent CloudChange %2015236842016250405.73%2017274009.42%20183223017.63%20193899020.97%20204445014.00%20216000034.98%20227470024.50%20238693016.37%2024 TTM10085016.01%Click to enlargeIt's also worth noting that if I take out 2015 and 2016, the average Azure annual growth rate increases to 20.64%. However, the problem is that, in the past, when the cloud market was growing faster, Azure just achieved a growth rate of over 20% in 2019, 2021, and 2022. Thus, there's more probability that Azure will grow below the required 20% (which would make Microsoft undervalued by a mere 8.5%)Nevertheless, it's good that even with the 15.66% originally used in this projection, the suggested annual return of 14.6% is still above the historic 10.50% annual returns of the market, which sets Microsoft to be an outperformer, even if the stock price decreased by 6.5% to adjust to my fair stock price estimate of $417.30.Risks to ThesisThe main risk for my thesis is that Microsoft suddenly can achieve that high 30% growth rate that is required for a fair stock price of $496.21. This may be the reason why Microsoft's stock has been increasing past my fair stock price estimates because the optimism on Azure has passed the logical boundary.However, I think that there are more risks related to Microsoft than to my thesis, for example, Microsoft would have it very difficult to perform any big-scale acquisition such as the Activision one.Then, there is also the risk that Microsoft is more prone to lose market share than to gain it, yes Azure has grown its market share by 4% since 2020. However, that will be very difficult for Windows, or Microsoft Office. At best, what Microsoft could do is to boost the sales of Surface devices, however, the problem with that is the differentiation factor. What happened with IBM is that its PCs were made by third-party components to which the competition could also access, and then its computers lost ground to cheaper alternatives, and the same thing happens today.Evolution of My Fair Price EstimatesSince my first coverage on Microsoft, my fair price estimate has increased by 12.29%. Concerning my previous coverage, the reason for the increase from $397.49 to the present $417.30, the model I did in this article, covers 10 years, and not 6 as the previous one did. The main effect is that the total amount of cash flows increases in the model, which ultimately leads to an increased fair stock price.Author's CalculationsConclusionIn conclusion, Microsoft continues to be overvalued, however, Microsoft's current valuation (despite a 6.5% overvaluation) is a good point to enter (in my opinion) and wait for Azure to deliver higher returns than the 15.66% used for my estimates. 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Coming into Monday’s session, Nvidia has risen 144% in 2024, and has gained 27% since the stock split announcement was made on May 22.</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/0e0b0dad6ee0d0847ec25eaf1973fb11\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"457\" tg-height=\"382\"/></p><p>Advanced Micro Devices fell 4% after shares of the chip maker were downgraded to Equal Weight from Overweight at Morgan Stanley and the price target was maintained at $176.</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/93e233983feb2998f39dbec3bed236b6\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"462\" tg-height=\"388\"/></p><p>“We like the AMD story, but investor expectations for the AI business still seems too high to us,” said analysts led by Joseph Moore in a note to clients on Monday.</p><p>Cutting the stock to equalweight, or neutral, from overweight, Moore and his team said they see upward revision potential for AMD as “limited,” even with a recovery in its core business.</p><p>They view AMD’s stock price as expensive relative to other big-cap plays such as Nvidia and Broadcom, “where we have more confidence on upward revisions to AI forecasts.”</p><p>Morgan Stanley analysts said investor expectations still haven’t adjusted enough to account for the likely impact Nvidia’s Blackwell Ultra chip launch next year will have on competitors like AMD. Their preference has now shifted to Broadcom as the second-favorite large cap AI alternative.</p><p>Moore said their overweight on AMD has been focused on the chipmaker’s core business reaccelerating following big downturn across markets, with AI an extra boost. “Through no fault of their own, AMD is facing a high bar given the supply chain ramp in excess of AMD revenue potential,” they said.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">AMD said in late April that it expects $4 billion in AI chip sales this year, from an earlier projection for $3.5 billion. Morgan Stanley’s analysts said the chip maker will likely hit that target this year and grow in 2025, but expectations are running much higher. They explain that have consistently taken the approach to heavily discount the supply chain for AMD when assessing such opportunities.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">“The trouble we have is that investor expectations still anchor on supply chain based forecasts that point to a number north of $6bn (400-500k units), despite continued messaging from the company that it takes time to build an ecosystem around a new solution, and that they would be aggressive with builds,” they said.</p></body></html>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Nvidia's Stock Falls 2% After the 10-for-1 Stock Split Effective; AMD Falls 4% as Morgan Stanley Slashes Rating</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nNvidia's Stock Falls 2% After the 10-for-1 Stock Split Effective; AMD Falls 4% as Morgan Stanley Slashes Rating\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n<div class=\"head\" \">\n\n\n<div class=\"h-thumb\" style=\"background-image:url(https://static.tigerbbs.com/150f88aa4d182df19190059f4a365e99);background-size:cover;\"></div>\n\n<div class=\"h-content\">\n<p class=\"h-name\">Dow Jones </p>\n<p class=\"h-time\">2024-06-10 22:00</p>\n</div>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<html><head></head><body><p>Nvidia started trading on a split-adjusted basis Monday. The 10-for-1 stock split in shares of Nvidia, the leader in artificial-intelligence chips, took effect Friday after the close of trading. The stock finished Friday at $1,208.88. In trading Monday, shares were down 2%. Coming into Monday’s session, Nvidia has risen 144% in 2024, and has gained 27% since the stock split announcement was made on May 22.</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/0e0b0dad6ee0d0847ec25eaf1973fb11\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"457\" tg-height=\"382\"/></p><p>Advanced Micro Devices fell 4% after shares of the chip maker were downgraded to Equal Weight from Overweight at Morgan Stanley and the price target was maintained at $176.</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/93e233983feb2998f39dbec3bed236b6\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"462\" tg-height=\"388\"/></p><p>“We like the AMD story, but investor expectations for the AI business still seems too high to us,” said analysts led by Joseph Moore in a note to clients on Monday.</p><p>Cutting the stock to equalweight, or neutral, from overweight, Moore and his team said they see upward revision potential for AMD as “limited,” even with a recovery in its core business.</p><p>They view AMD’s stock price as expensive relative to other big-cap plays such as Nvidia and Broadcom, “where we have more confidence on upward revisions to AI forecasts.”</p><p>Morgan Stanley analysts said investor expectations still haven’t adjusted enough to account for the likely impact Nvidia’s Blackwell Ultra chip launch next year will have on competitors like AMD. Their preference has now shifted to Broadcom as the second-favorite large cap AI alternative.</p><p>Moore said their overweight on AMD has been focused on the chipmaker’s core business reaccelerating following big downturn across markets, with AI an extra boost. “Through no fault of their own, AMD is facing a high bar given the supply chain ramp in excess of AMD revenue potential,” they said.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">AMD said in late April that it expects $4 billion in AI chip sales this year, from an earlier projection for $3.5 billion. Morgan Stanley’s analysts said the chip maker will likely hit that target this year and grow in 2025, but expectations are running much higher. They explain that have consistently taken the approach to heavily discount the supply chain for AMD when assessing such opportunities.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">“The trouble we have is that investor expectations still anchor on supply chain based forecasts that point to a number north of $6bn (400-500k units), despite continued messaging from the company that it takes time to build an ecosystem around a new solution, and that they would be aggressive with builds,” they said.</p></body></html>\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"NVDA":"英伟达","AMD":"美国超微公司"},"source_url":"https://dowjonesnews.com/newdjn/logon.aspx?AL=N","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"2442812204","content_text":"Nvidia started trading on a split-adjusted basis Monday. The 10-for-1 stock split in shares of Nvidia, the leader in artificial-intelligence chips, took effect Friday after the close of trading. The stock finished Friday at $1,208.88. In trading Monday, shares were down 2%. Coming into Monday’s session, Nvidia has risen 144% in 2024, and has gained 27% since the stock split announcement was made on May 22.Advanced Micro Devices fell 4% after shares of the chip maker were downgraded to Equal Weight from Overweight at Morgan Stanley and the price target was maintained at $176.“We like the AMD story, but investor expectations for the AI business still seems too high to us,” said analysts led by Joseph Moore in a note to clients on Monday.Cutting the stock to equalweight, or neutral, from overweight, Moore and his team said they see upward revision potential for AMD as “limited,” even with a recovery in its core business.They view AMD’s stock price as expensive relative to other big-cap plays such as Nvidia and Broadcom, “where we have more confidence on upward revisions to AI forecasts.”Morgan Stanley analysts said investor expectations still haven’t adjusted enough to account for the likely impact Nvidia’s Blackwell Ultra chip launch next year will have on competitors like AMD. Their preference has now shifted to Broadcom as the second-favorite large cap AI alternative.Moore said their overweight on AMD has been focused on the chipmaker’s core business reaccelerating following big downturn across markets, with AI an extra boost. “Through no fault of their own, AMD is facing a high bar given the supply chain ramp in excess of AMD revenue potential,” they said.AMD said in late April that it expects $4 billion in AI chip sales this year, from an earlier projection for $3.5 billion. Morgan Stanley’s analysts said the chip maker will likely hit that target this year and grow in 2025, but expectations are running much higher. They explain that have consistently taken the approach to heavily discount the supply chain for AMD when assessing such opportunities.“The trouble we have is that investor expectations still anchor on supply chain based forecasts that point to a number north of $6bn (400-500k units), despite continued messaging from the company that it takes time to build an ecosystem around a new solution, and that they would be aggressive with builds,” they said.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":112,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":316319143465032,"gmtCreate":1718256174690,"gmtModify":1718256179738,"author":{"id":"4164272763224692","authorId":"4164272763224692","name":"OngJH","avatar":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":2,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false},"themes":[],"htmlText":"Dont put apple together with nvidia. One Is self made, other is buy and self brand.","listText":"Dont put apple together with nvidia. One Is self made, other is buy and self brand.","text":"Dont put apple together with nvidia. One Is self made, other is buy and self brand.","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/316319143465032","repostId":"2443084599","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"2443084599","weMediaInfo":{"introduction":"Dow Jones publishes the world’s most trusted business news and financial information in a variety of media.","home_visible":0,"media_name":"Dow Jones","id":"106","head_image":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/150f88aa4d182df19190059f4a365e99"},"pubTimestamp":1718251200,"share":"https://www.laohu8.com/m/news/2443084599?lang=&edition=full","pubTime":"2024-06-13 12:00","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Buy Apple Stock, but Not for the Reason You Think","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2443084599","media":"Dow Jones","summary":"Apple stock is soaring this week, thanks to the artificial intelligence strategy the tech company announced Tuesday. Hedge funds might be helping, too—and both factors can push Apple shares even highe","content":"<html><head></head><body><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Apple stock is soaring this week, thanks to the artificial intelligence strategy the tech company announced Tuesday. Hedge funds might be helping, too—and both factors can push Apple shares even higher.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/ded35b4736a13ad8abbb3cf7dfa1f850\" alt=\"DAVID PAUL MORRIS/BLOOMBERG\" title=\"DAVID PAUL MORRIS/BLOOMBERG\" tg-width=\"952\" tg-height=\"632\"/><span>DAVID PAUL MORRIS/BLOOMBERG</span></p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Shares of the smartphone giant are “getting a delayed boost from the [Worldwide Developers Conference] Apple Intelligence launch,” wrote Bear Traps newsletter author Lawrence McDonald in a Wednesday note. “For over a month, people have been discussing the artificial intelligence upside for Apple, starting another supercycle for iPhones.”</p><p>Now that optimism is showing up. As of Wednesday, Apple stock had climbed 16% over the past month. That leaves shares up about 13% for the year.</p><p>That’s great, but shares of Nvidia, the original AI stock, have gained 38% over the past month and up about 153% in 2024.</p><p>Apple stock might be able to narrow the gap because traders are getting out of an old position. McDonald added in his note that a hedge fund has been unwinding a large long Nvidia/short Apple pair trade.</p><p>Pairs trades typically involve buying one stock and shorting the other. Shorting a stock means borrowing and selling shares an investor doesn’t own. It’s a bearish bet—the seller pockets the cash from the sale hoping to repurchase shares at a lower price when they return it to the original owner.</p><p>The goal of any pair trade is to make money from essentially one idea while eliminating other factors, such as the economy or inflation, that can move both stocks up or down. The long Nvidia/short Apple trade gives, an investor exposure to the AI theme, while removing some of the risks of holding technology stocks.</p><p>With Apple back as an AI play, that trade needs to unwind—which means buying Apple and selling Nvidia. How much more unwinding is left to do is hard to say.</p><p>The amount of Apple stock sold short relative to the amount available to trade is about 2.3%, according to Bloomberg. That’s high for Apple— and the short covering needed to return things to normal is about 10 to 20 million shares. That could be all done: Apple stock has traded almost 300 million shares over the past three days.</p><p>What’s more, in the wake of the recent run, Apple stock is now “overbought”—shares have climbed quickly that the rally may run out of steam. (For what it’s worth, Nvidia shares are even more overbought.)</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">That isn’t too helpful. Fairlead Strategies founder and market technician Katie Stockton has an idea where Apple stock can trade, though. She says that if Apple can stay above $198 a share in the coming few days, then it will soon trade at $240. Stockton isn’t making a fundamental call on Apple stock; technicians look at charts and patterns to get a sense of where things can go over the short and medium terms.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Stockton’s reasoning implies that there is about 10% upside left in the Apple-as-an-AI-play-rebound trade. Apple shares gained 2.9% on Wednesday, at $213.07 apiece.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Nvidia shares, however, aren’t hurting: shares of the chip maker rose 3.6% on Wednesday, while the Nasdaq Composite was up 1.5%. A slower-than-expected inflation reading is helping most stocks.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">A long Apple, short Nvidia trade is one way to capture Apple’s AI rebound. Shorting Nvidia stock doesn’t sound like a great idea, though: it’s easier to hang on to Apple and reevaluate positioning at Stockton’s $240 level.</p></body></html>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Buy Apple Stock, but Not for the Reason You Think</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nBuy Apple Stock, but Not for the Reason You Think\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n<div class=\"head\" \">\n\n\n<div class=\"h-thumb\" style=\"background-image:url(https://static.tigerbbs.com/150f88aa4d182df19190059f4a365e99);background-size:cover;\"></div>\n\n<div class=\"h-content\">\n<p class=\"h-name\">Dow Jones </p>\n<p class=\"h-time\">2024-06-13 12:00</p>\n</div>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<html><head></head><body><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Apple stock is soaring this week, thanks to the artificial intelligence strategy the tech company announced Tuesday. Hedge funds might be helping, too—and both factors can push Apple shares even higher.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/ded35b4736a13ad8abbb3cf7dfa1f850\" alt=\"DAVID PAUL MORRIS/BLOOMBERG\" title=\"DAVID PAUL MORRIS/BLOOMBERG\" tg-width=\"952\" tg-height=\"632\"/><span>DAVID PAUL MORRIS/BLOOMBERG</span></p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Shares of the smartphone giant are “getting a delayed boost from the [Worldwide Developers Conference] Apple Intelligence launch,” wrote Bear Traps newsletter author Lawrence McDonald in a Wednesday note. “For over a month, people have been discussing the artificial intelligence upside for Apple, starting another supercycle for iPhones.”</p><p>Now that optimism is showing up. As of Wednesday, Apple stock had climbed 16% over the past month. That leaves shares up about 13% for the year.</p><p>That’s great, but shares of Nvidia, the original AI stock, have gained 38% over the past month and up about 153% in 2024.</p><p>Apple stock might be able to narrow the gap because traders are getting out of an old position. McDonald added in his note that a hedge fund has been unwinding a large long Nvidia/short Apple pair trade.</p><p>Pairs trades typically involve buying one stock and shorting the other. Shorting a stock means borrowing and selling shares an investor doesn’t own. It’s a bearish bet—the seller pockets the cash from the sale hoping to repurchase shares at a lower price when they return it to the original owner.</p><p>The goal of any pair trade is to make money from essentially one idea while eliminating other factors, such as the economy or inflation, that can move both stocks up or down. The long Nvidia/short Apple trade gives, an investor exposure to the AI theme, while removing some of the risks of holding technology stocks.</p><p>With Apple back as an AI play, that trade needs to unwind—which means buying Apple and selling Nvidia. How much more unwinding is left to do is hard to say.</p><p>The amount of Apple stock sold short relative to the amount available to trade is about 2.3%, according to Bloomberg. That’s high for Apple— and the short covering needed to return things to normal is about 10 to 20 million shares. That could be all done: Apple stock has traded almost 300 million shares over the past three days.</p><p>What’s more, in the wake of the recent run, Apple stock is now “overbought”—shares have climbed quickly that the rally may run out of steam. (For what it’s worth, Nvidia shares are even more overbought.)</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">That isn’t too helpful. Fairlead Strategies founder and market technician Katie Stockton has an idea where Apple stock can trade, though. She says that if Apple can stay above $198 a share in the coming few days, then it will soon trade at $240. Stockton isn’t making a fundamental call on Apple stock; technicians look at charts and patterns to get a sense of where things can go over the short and medium terms.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Stockton’s reasoning implies that there is about 10% upside left in the Apple-as-an-AI-play-rebound trade. Apple shares gained 2.9% on Wednesday, at $213.07 apiece.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Nvidia shares, however, aren’t hurting: shares of the chip maker rose 3.6% on Wednesday, while the Nasdaq Composite was up 1.5%. A slower-than-expected inflation reading is helping most stocks.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">A long Apple, short Nvidia trade is one way to capture Apple’s AI rebound. Shorting Nvidia stock doesn’t sound like a great idea, though: it’s easier to hang on to Apple and reevaluate positioning at Stockton’s $240 level.</p></body></html>\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"IE00BFSS7M15.SGD":"Janus Henderson Balanced A Acc SGD-H","LU0234570918.USD":"高盛全球核心股票组合Acc Close","LU0238689110.USD":"贝莱德环球动力股票基金","BK4501":"段永平概念","LU0170899867.USD":"EASTSPRING INVESTMENTS WORLD VALUE EQUITY  \"A\" (USD) ACC","BK4527":"明星科技股","LU0417517546.SGD":"Allianz US Equity Cl AT Acc SGD","BK4579":"人工智能","LU0456855351.SGD":"JPMorgan Funds - Global Equity A (acc) SGD","BK4543":"AI","LU0072462426.USD":"贝莱德全球配置 A2","BK4588":"碎股","IE00BDCRKT87.USD":"PINEBRIDGE GLOBAL DYNAMIC ASSET ALLOCATION \"ADC\" (USD) INC","BK4503":"景林资产持仓","LU0080751232.USD":"富达环球多元动力基金A","LU0056508442.USD":"贝莱德世界科技基金A2","BK4574":"无人驾驶","IE00BJJMRY28.SGD":"Janus Henderson Balanced A Inc SGD","BK4573":"虚拟现实","IE00BMPRXR70.SGD":"Neuberger Berman 5G Connectivity A Acc SGD-H","LU0308772762.SGD":"Blackrock Global Allocation A2 SGD-H","BK4505":"高瓴资本持仓","LU0234572021.USD":"高盛美国核心股票组合Acc","IE00BMPRXN33.USD":"NEUBERGER BERMAN 5G CONNECTIVITY \"A\" (USD) ACC","BK4581":"高盛持仓","IE00BSNM7G36.USD":"NEUBERGER BERMAN SYSTEMATIC GLOBAL SUSTAINABLE VALUE \"A\" (USD) ACC","LU0109392836.USD":"富兰克林科技股A","IE00BZ1G4Q59.USD":"LEGG MASON CLEARBRIDGE US EQUITY SUSTAINABILITY LEADER \"A\"(USD) INC (A)","BK4170":"电脑硬件、储存设备及电脑周边","LU0175139822.USD":"AB FCP I Global Equity Blend A USD","IE00BWXC8680.SGD":"PINEBRIDGE US LARGE CAP RESEARCH ENHANCED \"A5\" (SGD) ACC","BK4529":"IDC概念","LU0320765059.SGD":"FTIF - Franklin US Opportunities A Acc SGD","AAPL":"苹果","LU0444971666.USD":"天利全球科技基金","BK4592":"伊斯兰概念","LU0198837287.USD":"UBS (LUX) EQUITY SICAV - USA GROWTH \"P\" (USD) ACC","IE00BD6J9T35.USD":"NEUBERGER BERMAN NEXT GENERATION MOBILITY \"A\" (USD) ACC","LU0289961442.SGD":"SUSTAINABLE GLOBAL THEMATIC PORTFOLIO \"AX\" (SGD) ACC","LU0276348264.USD":"THREADNEEDLE (LUX) GLOBAL DYNAMIC REAL RETURN\"AUP\" (USD) INC","BK4571":"数字音乐概念","BK4507":"流媒体概念","IE00BKVL7J92.USD":"Legg Mason ClearBridge - US Equity Sustainability Leaders A Acc USD","BK4585":"ETF&股票定投概念","BK4576":"AR","BK4575":"芯片概念","LU0289739343.SGD":"SUSTAINABLE GLOBAL THEMATIC PORTFOLIO \"A\" (SGD) ACC","BK4587":"ChatGPT概念","IE00BLSP4452.SGD":"Legg Mason ClearBridge - Tactical Dividend Income A Mdis SGD-H Plus"},"source_url":"https://dowjonesnews.com/newdjn/logon.aspx?AL=N","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"2443084599","content_text":"Apple stock is soaring this week, thanks to the artificial intelligence strategy the tech company announced Tuesday. Hedge funds might be helping, too—and both factors can push Apple shares even higher.DAVID PAUL MORRIS/BLOOMBERGShares of the smartphone giant are “getting a delayed boost from the [Worldwide Developers Conference] Apple Intelligence launch,” wrote Bear Traps newsletter author Lawrence McDonald in a Wednesday note. “For over a month, people have been discussing the artificial intelligence upside for Apple, starting another supercycle for iPhones.”Now that optimism is showing up. As of Wednesday, Apple stock had climbed 16% over the past month. That leaves shares up about 13% for the year.That’s great, but shares of Nvidia, the original AI stock, have gained 38% over the past month and up about 153% in 2024.Apple stock might be able to narrow the gap because traders are getting out of an old position. McDonald added in his note that a hedge fund has been unwinding a large long Nvidia/short Apple pair trade.Pairs trades typically involve buying one stock and shorting the other. Shorting a stock means borrowing and selling shares an investor doesn’t own. It’s a bearish bet—the seller pockets the cash from the sale hoping to repurchase shares at a lower price when they return it to the original owner.The goal of any pair trade is to make money from essentially one idea while eliminating other factors, such as the economy or inflation, that can move both stocks up or down. The long Nvidia/short Apple trade gives, an investor exposure to the AI theme, while removing some of the risks of holding technology stocks.With Apple back as an AI play, that trade needs to unwind—which means buying Apple and selling Nvidia. How much more unwinding is left to do is hard to say.The amount of Apple stock sold short relative to the amount available to trade is about 2.3%, according to Bloomberg. That’s high for Apple— and the short covering needed to return things to normal is about 10 to 20 million shares. That could be all done: Apple stock has traded almost 300 million shares over the past three days.What’s more, in the wake of the recent run, Apple stock is now “overbought”—shares have climbed quickly that the rally may run out of steam. (For what it’s worth, Nvidia shares are even more overbought.)That isn’t too helpful. Fairlead Strategies founder and market technician Katie Stockton has an idea where Apple stock can trade, though. She says that if Apple can stay above $198 a share in the coming few days, then it will soon trade at $240. Stockton isn’t making a fundamental call on Apple stock; technicians look at charts and patterns to get a sense of where things can go over the short and medium terms.Stockton’s reasoning implies that there is about 10% upside left in the Apple-as-an-AI-play-rebound trade. Apple shares gained 2.9% on Wednesday, at $213.07 apiece.Nvidia shares, however, aren’t hurting: shares of the chip maker rose 3.6% on Wednesday, while the Nasdaq Composite was up 1.5%. A slower-than-expected inflation reading is helping most stocks.A long Apple, short Nvidia trade is one way to capture Apple’s AI rebound. Shorting Nvidia stock doesn’t sound like a great idea, though: it’s easier to hang on to Apple and reevaluate positioning at Stockton’s $240 level.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":68,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":316312973385944,"gmtCreate":1718254557293,"gmtModify":1718256197105,"author":{"id":"4164272763224692","authorId":"4164272763224692","name":"OngJH","avatar":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":2,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false},"themes":[],"htmlText":"Say buy then say dont buy, so write something to tell you that not i say buy but also not i say dont buy when it moon.","listText":"Say buy then say dont buy, so write something to tell you that not i say buy but also not i say dont buy when it moon.","text":"Say buy then say dont buy, so write something to tell you that not i say buy but also not i say dont buy when it moon.","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/316312973385944","repostId":"2443561786","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"2443561786","pubTimestamp":1718247600,"share":"https://www.laohu8.com/m/news/2443561786?lang=&edition=full","pubTime":"2024-06-13 11:00","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Is Nvidia Stock a Buy After the 10-for-1 Stock Split?","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2443561786","media":"Motley Fool","summary":"Shares in this artificial intelligence titan have become significantly cheaper, but its massive market cap remains the same.","content":"<html><head></head><body><ul style=\"\"><li><p>Stock splits can help make a company&#39;s shares more liquid and available for small investors.</p></li><li><p>While Nvidia remains an excellent company, new investors should be careful about a possible slowdown in chip demand.</p></li></ul><p>With shares up by an eyewatering 25,000% over the last 10 years, it&#39;s no surprise that <strong>Nvidia</strong> relies on stock splits to keep its equity price manageable for smaller investors who may not have access to fractional shares. The most recent of these went into effect on June 7 and gave investors 10 shares of Nvidia for each one they previously owned -- bringing its stock price to around $125 at the time of writing.</p><p>The stock split did nothing to change Nvidia&#39;s $3 trillion market cap, which represents the value of all its shares combined. However, some market participants are hopeful that the lower share price could make Nvidia&#39;s equity more liquid and help it maintain its explosive bull run. Let&#39;s dig deeper to decide if this technology giant is still a buy.</p><h2 id=\"id_2636510373\">What is Nvidia&#39;s bull thesis?</h2><p>If the generative artificial intelligence (AI) industry can be likened to the California gold rush, Nvidia would be selling the picks and shovels every miner needs to dig for gold. The company&#39;s industry-leading graphics processing units (GPUs) are crucial for running and training complex AI algorithms. And this has led to explosive growth and margins.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/fcbb1205d3af7318b8e54343aa41a239\" tg-width=\"1209\" tg-height=\"810\"/></p><p>Nvidia&#39;s first-quarter revenue increased 262% year over year to $26 billion, driven by sales of data center chips, such as the H100. And net income jumped 628% to $14.88 billion.</p><p>Considering this elevated growth rate, Nvidia&#39;s stock is still reasonably valued at a forward price-to-earnings (P/E) ratio of around 47. For comparison, rival chipmaker <strong>Advanced Micro Devices</strong> has the same forward P/E despite only growing sales by 2% in its first quarter. That said, Nvidia&#39;s stock might not be as cheap as it looks on the surface.</p><h2 id=\"id_1438623380\">Nvidia is not as cheap as it looks</h2><p>Over the next few years, Nvidia will face incredibly challenging comps. After enjoying booming sales over the previous 12 months, it will be difficult for the company to continue growing its revenue relative to extremely high prior-year numbers. And this might be a big reason why the stock&#39;s forward valuation is so low relative to growth.</p><p>Demand could become another problem. While Nvidia&#39;s picks-and-shovels take on the AI industry protects it from competition on the consumer side of the industry, it wouldn&#39;t be shielded from an industrywide slowdown, which could occur if its clients aren&#39;t able to generate enough cash flow to justify their spending on Nvidia chips.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/e88eaa3c0ff6a29bee20df2669504822\" alt=\"Image source: Getty Images.\" title=\"Image source: Getty Images.\" tg-width=\"700\" tg-height=\"594\"/><span>Image source: Getty Images.</span></p><p>The long-term prospects of AI look undeniably bright. But there could be many ups and downs before it reaches its full potential -- just like other major technologies like the internet, electric vehicles, or even blockchain.</p><h2 id=\"id_2923381452\">Buy with caution</h2><p>For many retail investors, Nvidia&#39;s stock split will be a powerful psychological encouragement to buy the stock. At just $120 per share, the mammoth company now looks relatively small. And those who were previously intimidated by its four-digit stock price may now be encouraged to finally pull the trigger and hit the buy button.</p><p>But while Nvidia certainly has a bright future as the AI industry develops, investors who buy the stock now are late to the party. And this brings the risk of being left holding the bag if things go wrong.</p><p>Over the next few years, Nvidia will face more difficult comps, which could cause top- and bottom-line growth to slow down, even if the AI industry remains strong. While shares still look capable of outperforming over the long term, investors should remain aware of the significant risks they are taking by buying a company that has already risen so far so fast.</p><p>Historically, no stock has grown exponentially forever. And Nvidia will likely face a correction at some point. Be careful out there.</p></body></html>","source":"fool_stock","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Is Nvidia Stock a Buy After the 10-for-1 Stock Split?</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; 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The most recent of these went into effect on June 7 and gave investors 10 shares of Nvidia for each one they previously owned -- bringing its stock price to around $125 at the time of writing.The stock split did nothing to change Nvidia's $3 trillion market cap, which represents the value of all its shares combined. However, some market participants are hopeful that the lower share price could make Nvidia's equity more liquid and help it maintain its explosive bull run. Let's dig deeper to decide if this technology giant is still a buy.What is Nvidia's bull thesis?If the generative artificial intelligence (AI) industry can be likened to the California gold rush, Nvidia would be selling the picks and shovels every miner needs to dig for gold. The company's industry-leading graphics processing units (GPUs) are crucial for running and training complex AI algorithms. And this has led to explosive growth and margins.Nvidia's first-quarter revenue increased 262% year over year to $26 billion, driven by sales of data center chips, such as the H100. And net income jumped 628% to $14.88 billion.Considering this elevated growth rate, Nvidia's stock is still reasonably valued at a forward price-to-earnings (P/E) ratio of around 47. For comparison, rival chipmaker Advanced Micro Devices has the same forward P/E despite only growing sales by 2% in its first quarter. That said, Nvidia's stock might not be as cheap as it looks on the surface.Nvidia is not as cheap as it looksOver the next few years, Nvidia will face incredibly challenging comps. After enjoying booming sales over the previous 12 months, it will be difficult for the company to continue growing its revenue relative to extremely high prior-year numbers. And this might be a big reason why the stock's forward valuation is so low relative to growth.Demand could become another problem. While Nvidia's picks-and-shovels take on the AI industry protects it from competition on the consumer side of the industry, it wouldn't be shielded from an industrywide slowdown, which could occur if its clients aren't able to generate enough cash flow to justify their spending on Nvidia chips.Image source: Getty Images.The long-term prospects of AI look undeniably bright. But there could be many ups and downs before it reaches its full potential -- just like other major technologies like the internet, electric vehicles, or even blockchain.Buy with cautionFor many retail investors, Nvidia's stock split will be a powerful psychological encouragement to buy the stock. At just $120 per share, the mammoth company now looks relatively small. And those who were previously intimidated by its four-digit stock price may now be encouraged to finally pull the trigger and hit the buy button.But while Nvidia certainly has a bright future as the AI industry develops, investors who buy the stock now are late to the party. And this brings the risk of being left holding the bag if things go wrong.Over the next few years, Nvidia will face more difficult comps, which could cause top- and bottom-line growth to slow down, even if the AI industry remains strong. While shares still look capable of outperforming over the long term, investors should remain aware of the significant risks they are taking by buying a company that has already risen so far so fast.Historically, no stock has grown exponentially forever. And Nvidia will likely face a correction at some point. 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The dominant AI chip maker had also clinched $3 trillion in market value and surpassed Apple</p><p>to become the second-most valuable firm in the world, trailing only Microsoft .</p><p>Market analysts said stock splits tend to attract individual investors that trade in smaller lots and have lesser capital to deploy than institutional investors.</p><p>However, Goldman Sachs strategists led by David Kostin said in a note most recent stock splits have not generated a significant increase in retail trading activity, but there have been some notable exceptions such as Amazon&#39;s split in 2022 and Nvidia&#39;s 2021 split.</p><p>Moreover, &#34;investors typically assign higher valuations to liquid stocks because of their low trading costs and flexibility in a variety of market environments&#34;, the strategists said.</p><p>Over the last several years, trading volumes have briefly increased following stock split announcements but evidenced little change during and after the splits took effect, according to Goldman&#39;s analysis of 45 Russell 1000 stock splits since 2019.</p><p>Nvidia&#39;s stock was last trading at $120 per share post split, compared with $1,200 on Friday, making it a potential contender for the 30-member price-weighted Dow index .</p><p>An S&amp;P Dow Jones Indices spokeswoman late in May said it does not comment or speculate on index additions or deletions.</p><p></p></body></html>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; 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said Ben Laidler, global markets strategist at digital brokerage eToro.</p><p>The stock dipped 0.5% in premarket trading on Monday, after climbing nearly 27% since the company announced the share split and a strong forecast last month. The dominant AI chip maker had also clinched $3 trillion in market value and surpassed Apple</p><p>to become the second-most valuable firm in the world, trailing only Microsoft .</p><p>Market analysts said stock splits tend to attract individual investors that trade in smaller lots and have lesser capital to deploy than institutional investors.</p><p>However, Goldman Sachs strategists led by David Kostin said in a note most recent stock splits have not generated a significant increase in retail trading activity, but there have been some notable exceptions such as Amazon&#39;s split in 2022 and Nvidia&#39;s 2021 split.</p><p>Moreover, &#34;investors typically assign higher valuations to liquid stocks because of their low trading costs and flexibility in a variety of market environments&#34;, the strategists said.</p><p>Over the last several years, trading volumes have briefly increased following stock split announcements but evidenced little change during and after the splits took effect, according to Goldman&#39;s analysis of 45 Russell 1000 stock splits since 2019.</p><p>Nvidia&#39;s stock was last trading at $120 per share post split, compared with $1,200 on Friday, making it a potential contender for the 30-member price-weighted Dow index .</p><p>An S&amp;P Dow Jones Indices spokeswoman late in May said it does not comment or speculate on index additions or deletions.</p><p></p></body></html>\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"BK4529":"IDC概念","BK4592":"伊斯兰概念","LU0056508442.USD":"贝莱德世界科技基金A2","IE00B1XK9C88.USD":"PINEBRIDGE US LARGE CAP RESEARCH ENHANCED \"A\" (USD) ACC","GB00BDT5M118.USD":"天利环球扩展Alpha基金A Acc","LU0353189680.USD":"富国美国全盘成长基金Cl A Acc","LU0061474960.USD":"天利环球焦点基金AU Acc","IE00BJJMRY28.SGD":"Janus Henderson Balanced A Inc SGD","IE00BKDWB100.SGD":"PINEBRIDGE US LARGE CAP RESEARCH ENHANCED \"A5H\" (SGDHDG) ACC","BK4532":"文艺复兴科技持仓","LU0109392836.USD":"富兰克林科技股A","IE0004445015.USD":"JANUS HENDERSON BALANCED \"A2\" (USD) ACC","LU0175139822.USD":"AB FCP I Global Equity Blend A USD","BK4587":"ChatGPT概念","LU0097036916.USD":"贝莱德美国增长A2 USD","IE00B3M56506.USD":"NEUBERGER BERMAN EMERGING MARKETS EQUITY \"A\" (USD) ACC","LU0079474960.USD":"联博美国增长基金A","IE00B1BXHZ80.USD":"Legg Mason ClearBridge - US Appreciation A Acc USD","IE00BD6J9T35.USD":"NEUBERGER BERMAN NEXT GENERATION MOBILITY \"A\" (USD) ACC","IE00BDCRKT87.USD":"PINEBRIDGE GLOBAL DYNAMIC ASSET ALLOCATION \"ADC\" (USD) INC","BK4543":"AI","LU0289961442.SGD":"SUSTAINABLE GLOBAL THEMATIC PORTFOLIO \"AX\" (SGD) ACC","BK4527":"明星科技股","BK4585":"ETF&股票定投概念","BK4579":"人工智能","IE0034235188.USD":"PINEBRIDGE GLOBAL FOCUS EQUITY \"A\" (USD) ACC","LU0127658192.USD":"EASTSPRING INVESTMENTS GLOBAL TECHNOLOGY \"A\" (USD) ACC","NVDA":"英伟达","BK4503":"景林资产持仓","LU1668664300.SGD":"Blackrock World Financials A2 SGD-H","LU0256863811.USD":"ALLIANZ US EQUITY \"A\" INC","LU0289739343.SGD":"SUSTAINABLE GLOBAL THEMATIC PORTFOLIO \"A\" (SGD) ACC","BK4581":"高盛持仓","BK4504":"桥水持仓","IE0034235295.USD":"PINEBRIDGE GLOBAL DYNAMIC ASSET ALLOCATION \"A\" (USD) ACC",".DJI":"道琼斯","BK4549":"软银资本持仓","IE0004445239.USD":"JANUS HENDERSON US FORTY \"A2\" (USD) ACC","LU0170899867.USD":"EASTSPRING INVESTMENTS WORLD VALUE EQUITY  \"A\" (USD) ACC","IE00BJJMRX11.SGD":"Janus Henderson Balanced A Acc SGD","BK4588":"碎股","BK4548":"巴美列捷福持仓","BK4127":"投资银行业与经纪业"},"source_url":"https://api.rkd.refinitiv.com/api/News/News.svc/REST/News_1/RetrieveStoryML_1","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"2442450845","content_text":"Nvidia's 10-for-1 stock split aimed at luring retail investors has taken effect, sparking speculation over chances of the artificial intelligence bellwether's inclusion in the blue-chip Dow index.The split, aimed at lowering per-share value to make it more affordable for employees and investors, increases the company's outstanding shares without changing the stock's valuation.\"A side-effect of Nvidia's stock split will be to put it in the running to follow Amazon and Apple into the Dow, potentially pushing out fellow chip stock Intel that currently has the lowest weighting,\" said Ben Laidler, global markets strategist at digital brokerage eToro.The stock dipped 0.5% in premarket trading on Monday, after climbing nearly 27% since the company announced the share split and a strong forecast last month. The dominant AI chip maker had also clinched $3 trillion in market value and surpassed Appleto become the second-most valuable firm in the world, trailing only Microsoft .Market analysts said stock splits tend to attract individual investors that trade in smaller lots and have lesser capital to deploy than institutional investors.However, Goldman Sachs strategists led by David Kostin said in a note most recent stock splits have not generated a significant increase in retail trading activity, but there have been some notable exceptions such as Amazon's split in 2022 and Nvidia's 2021 split.Moreover, \"investors typically assign higher valuations to liquid stocks because of their low trading costs and flexibility in a variety of market environments\", the strategists said.Over the last several years, trading volumes have briefly increased following stock split announcements but evidenced little change during and after the splits took effect, according to Goldman's analysis of 45 Russell 1000 stock splits since 2019.Nvidia's stock was last trading at $120 per share post split, compared with $1,200 on Friday, making it a potential contender for the 30-member price-weighted Dow index .An S&P Dow Jones Indices spokeswoman late in May said it does not comment or speculate on index additions or deletions.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":42,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":310403892015136,"gmtCreate":1716780737200,"gmtModify":1716781493929,"author":{"id":"4164272763224692","authorId":"4164272763224692","name":"OngJH","avatar":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":2,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false},"themes":[],"htmlText":"Repeating paragraph, sound like in school making the word count.","listText":"Repeating paragraph, sound like in school making the word count.","text":"Repeating paragraph, sound like in school making the word count.","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/310403892015136","repostId":"1183549079","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"1183549079","pubTimestamp":1716780404,"share":"https://www.laohu8.com/m/news/1183549079?lang=&edition=full","pubTime":"2024-05-27 11:26","market":"sg","language":"en","title":"Singapore Insurer’s Holders Seeking Better Offer From OCBC","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1183549079","media":"Bloomberg","summary":"The price of S$25.60 per share is well above the price before the announcement, but some shareholders point to a 30% discount against Great Eastern’s embedded value, a metric that’s been used to value","content":"<html><head></head><body><p>The price of S$25.60 per share is well above the price before the announcement, but some shareholders point to a 30% discount against Great Eastern’s embedded value, a metric that’s <u>been used to value</u> insurance firms elsewhere. By that measure, it is half the valuation the bank used in its last attempt to take full ownership of the company. <u>Oversea-Chinese Banking Corp.</u>, opening a new front in a longstanding fight between shareholder activists and Singapore’s second-largest lender.</p><p>The price of S$25.60 per share is well above the price before the announcement, but some shareholders point to a 30% discount against Great Eastern’s embedded value, a metric that’s <u>been used to value</u> insurance firms elsewhere. By that measure, it is half the valuation the bank used in its last attempt to take full ownership of the company.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">OCBC, which holds more than 88% of Great Eastern, said earlier this month it is seeking to delist the stock.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/186136992cca54bc526d9ce25c3d847c\" tg-width=\"519\" tg-height=\"290\"/></p><p>“We are now caught between a rock and a hard place,” said Ong Chin Woo, who owns shares of Great Eastern and OCBC. Since 2021, he’s been a vocal spokesman for a group which now comprises more than 100 minority shareholders. “If OCBC has no other choices, at least give us a fair exit offer.”</p><p>An OCBC spokesperson defended the number, saying it reflects a roughly 40% premium over the price in both the month and the year before the announcement, as well as in multiples of the insurer’s book value and other financial metrics.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Morgan Stanley banking analysts led by Nick Lord said the offer is “high” and will contribute positively to earnings at OCBC, as well as make management of the combined entity easier.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">The bank has steadily built its 88.44% stake in the 116-year-old insurer, which operates in Singapore, Malaysia and Indonesia. Over the past ten years, it’s contributed an average of about S$700 million a year in net income to OCBC, equivalent to about 15% of OCBC’s annual profit, according to the bank.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Over the past decade through end of 2023, OCBC’s shares have risen more than 30%, while Great Eastern dropped 1%. The insurer’s minority shareholders have been lobbying for years for higher dividends and better liquidity.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">They’ve also objected to using OCBC stock to reward Great Eastern executives like Chief Executive Khor Hock Seng, whose long-term incentives have been paid in OCBC shares.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Great Eastern told investors in April that it has taken steps to strengthen capital management and improve dividend payouts but that many of the factors that affect share prices are beyond its control. As for the executive compensation, the insurer said the structure helps to foster “One OCBC Group” spirit with its holding company, and using GE shares would impact the stock’s liquidity.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/e4c69ce35b872e0e8d1462bf37e58475\" tg-width=\"1200\" tg-height=\"675\"/></p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">OCBC’s current offer ascribes zero value to Great Eastern’s future underwriting and to its agency network, said Thilan Wickramasinghe, an analyst at Maybank Securities Pte. “There are risks that OCBC might have to make a higher offer in order to narrow that discount gap,” he said.</p><p style=\"text-align: start;\">Some members of Singapore’s oldest business clans are invested in the outcome. Companies linked to Lee Thor Seng, part of the clan that co-founded OCBC, have a stake. Wong Hong Sun, whose grandfather was chairman of Great Eastern for close to twenty years, holds more than 3 million shares. “Even if I am not sentimental, I won’t sell,” he said. “Half price is no way.”</p><p>Great Eastern appointed EY as an independent financial adviser to assess the merit of OCBC’s offer and make a recommendation to shareholders. OCBC will dispatch the offer document to Great Eastern shareholders no later than the end of May, and the offer opens for at least 28 days, according to the current timeline.</p><p>“Normally you’d pay a substantial premium to take a majority stake of a company,” Bloomberg Intelligence analyst Steven Lam said. But listed insurance firms are rare in Southeast Asia, making it difficult to find a comparable benchmark. And, he added, “this time we are dealing with a minority stake of 11.56%.”</p></body></html>","source":"lsy1584095487587","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Singapore Insurer’s Holders Seeking Better Offer From OCBC</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nSingapore Insurer’s Holders Seeking Better Offer From OCBC\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2024-05-27 11:26 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-26/singapore-insurer-s-holders-seeking-better-offer-from-ocbc?srnd=markets-vp><strong>Bloomberg</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>The price of S$25.60 per share is well above the price before the announcement, but some shareholders point to a 30% discount against Great Eastern’s embedded value, a metric that’s been used to value...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-26/singapore-insurer-s-holders-seeking-better-offer-from-ocbc?srnd=markets-vp\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"O39.SI":"华侨银行"},"source_url":"https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-26/singapore-insurer-s-holders-seeking-better-offer-from-ocbc?srnd=markets-vp","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1183549079","content_text":"The price of S$25.60 per share is well above the price before the announcement, but some shareholders point to a 30% discount against Great Eastern’s embedded value, a metric that’s been used to value insurance firms elsewhere. By that measure, it is half the valuation the bank used in its last attempt to take full ownership of the company. Oversea-Chinese Banking Corp., opening a new front in a longstanding fight between shareholder activists and Singapore’s second-largest lender.The price of S$25.60 per share is well above the price before the announcement, but some shareholders point to a 30% discount against Great Eastern’s embedded value, a metric that’s been used to value insurance firms elsewhere. By that measure, it is half the valuation the bank used in its last attempt to take full ownership of the company.OCBC, which holds more than 88% of Great Eastern, said earlier this month it is seeking to delist the stock.“We are now caught between a rock and a hard place,” said Ong Chin Woo, who owns shares of Great Eastern and OCBC. Since 2021, he’s been a vocal spokesman for a group which now comprises more than 100 minority shareholders. “If OCBC has no other choices, at least give us a fair exit offer.”An OCBC spokesperson defended the number, saying it reflects a roughly 40% premium over the price in both the month and the year before the announcement, as well as in multiples of the insurer’s book value and other financial metrics.Morgan Stanley banking analysts led by Nick Lord said the offer is “high” and will contribute positively to earnings at OCBC, as well as make management of the combined entity easier.The bank has steadily built its 88.44% stake in the 116-year-old insurer, which operates in Singapore, Malaysia and Indonesia. Over the past ten years, it’s contributed an average of about S$700 million a year in net income to OCBC, equivalent to about 15% of OCBC’s annual profit, according to the bank.Over the past decade through end of 2023, OCBC’s shares have risen more than 30%, while Great Eastern dropped 1%. The insurer’s minority shareholders have been lobbying for years for higher dividends and better liquidity.They’ve also objected to using OCBC stock to reward Great Eastern executives like Chief Executive Khor Hock Seng, whose long-term incentives have been paid in OCBC shares.Great Eastern told investors in April that it has taken steps to strengthen capital management and improve dividend payouts but that many of the factors that affect share prices are beyond its control. As for the executive compensation, the insurer said the structure helps to foster “One OCBC Group” spirit with its holding company, and using GE shares would impact the stock’s liquidity.OCBC’s current offer ascribes zero value to Great Eastern’s future underwriting and to its agency network, said Thilan Wickramasinghe, an analyst at Maybank Securities Pte. “There are risks that OCBC might have to make a higher offer in order to narrow that discount gap,” he said.Some members of Singapore’s oldest business clans are invested in the outcome. Companies linked to Lee Thor Seng, part of the clan that co-founded OCBC, have a stake. Wong Hong Sun, whose grandfather was chairman of Great Eastern for close to twenty years, holds more than 3 million shares. “Even if I am not sentimental, I won’t sell,” he said. “Half price is no way.”Great Eastern appointed EY as an independent financial adviser to assess the merit of OCBC’s offer and make a recommendation to shareholders. OCBC will dispatch the offer document to Great Eastern shareholders no later than the end of May, and the offer opens for at least 28 days, according to the current timeline.“Normally you’d pay a substantial premium to take a majority stake of a company,” Bloomberg Intelligence analyst Steven Lam said. But listed insurance firms are rare in Southeast Asia, making it difficult to find a comparable benchmark. And, he added, “this time we are dealing with a minority stake of 11.56%.”","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":59,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0}],"lives":[]}