Alibaba: It Could Get Worse

Seeking Alpha2022-10-20

SummaryShort interest in Alibaba spiked by over 7% sequentially and it's up nearly 50% since April.Alibaba's prospects appear to be deteriorating almost every other week which is probably why it's ...

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两只大老虎
·2022-10-24
做空推文
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6a5cb525
·2022-10-24
壓根沒說到核心問題
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- Saul_:
  哎
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火箭发射
·2022-10-24
現在看空搞笑吧
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DesertFox88
·2022-10-21
Agree that there's still some more downside for Alibaba, but believe we're likely to see a resurgence once China opens it's borders and allow life as usual.
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- DaisyMoore:
  Alibaba itself is an excellent company. Unfortunately, political risks have brought it too many difficulties.
  2022-10-21
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- PageDickens:
  But I think it is very difficult for the United States to lift some restrictions on Chinese companies. At least not in the short term.
  2022-10-21
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Tanyl
·2022-10-21
Keep in view for Baba share
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Bspn
·2022-10-20
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imsomeonelse
·2022-10-20
Sad sad sad
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och
·2022-10-20
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- och:
  ok
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Danielng
·2022-10-20
Trading at premium to its peers? My brain must be pea sized to understand this.
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zion1
·2022-10-20
Believe that Baba will rise back to the top. Worse will belong to those who proclaim.
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Desmond669
·2022-10-20
Ok noted
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scroxia
·2022-10-20
Like pls
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- AndrewL:
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RLHuat
·2022-10-20
That could be the case.
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iisterry
·2022-10-20
Ugh
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- Desmond669:
  Ok
  2022-10-20
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MrTig3r
·2022-10-20
power
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Troedas
·2022-10-20
Cool
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TJTan
·2022-10-20
k
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DricNJicken
·2022-10-20
Ok
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Andrewinho
·2022-10-20
Worse = opportunity!! 🤭🤭🤭
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- scroxia:
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- JasmineT:
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Black83black
·2022-10-20
The worst stock I ever own. 🤕
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- HeyThere:
  Sad story
  2022-11-06
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- Black83black:
  Xpeng is also baba one of biggest share holder. 😩
  2022-10-20
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- suthanb4u:
  Try, XPeng... You won't regret BABA... 😆
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This confirms that market participants are more or less neutral on the industry but specifically bearish on Alibaba.BusinessQuant.comThis raises an important question now – why are market participants actively shorting Alibaba even though its shares have crashed significantly and are seemingly undervalued?Reasons Fueling PessimismFirst of all, I’d like to clear the misconception that Alibaba is undervalued after its recent correction. It may seem undervalued on a standalone basis but that’s not really the case when we look at industry comparables. The chart below should put things in perspective.BusinessQiant.comThe Y-axis plots the enterprise value-to-free cash flow (or EV/FCF) values for over 30 stocks that are classified in the e-commerce/internet retail industry. Note how Alibaba is vertically positioned much higher than a broad swath of its mentioned peers, indicating that the stock is trading at a relative premium.Now, let’s shift attention to the X-axis, which plots the free cash flow growth for the same set of companies. Note how Alibaba is horizontally positioned more or less in the middle, indicating that its free cash flow growth is in-line with the industry averages.The collective takeaway from both the axes here is that Alibaba is a mediocre performer in terms of free cash flow growth but its shares are trading at a premium nonetheless. There are in fact 4 other stocks in the e-commerce industry that are growing free cash flows at a rate faster than Alibaba, but their shares still trading at a lower EV/FCF multiple.It’s not like the business prospects are improving or signaling impending growth for Alibaba, either. Much like the US, analysts and rating agencies have been slashing GDP growth forecasts for China almost every other week. This deteriorating macroeconomic environment is bound to limit personal disposable income and hinder consumer spending across major economies, which will inevitably weigh down on Alibaba’s business. We’re already seeing analysts slashing their revenue estimates for the company and I contend that more cuts shall follow in the coming 2 to 3 months at the very least.Data byYChartsWhat exacerbates the problem is that we don’t know how far along will revenue expectations drop for Alibaba. Maybe 2 months down the line, we’d have slashed our revenue estimates for Alibaba by $10 billion or maybe it'll be $30 billion, we just don’t know. This heightened uncertainty amidst growing recessionary fears, makes it difficult for anyone to call a bottom for an e-commerce company such as Alibaba. So, this is another major reason why we think we’re seeing short interest spike in the company’s shares of late.BusinessQuant.comThere’s another variable at play here. US auditors flew to Hong Kong a few weeks ago to conduct audit inspections on US-listed Chinese companies such as Alibaba. These inspections are likely to last from 8-12 weeks and will reveal if Alibaba is audited in accordance with the US GAAP or if there are irregularities in its reporting. If it’s the latter, then it’ll fuel further fear, uncertainty and doubt about the legitimacy of Alibaba’s growth prospects, and fuel speculation about the quantum of penalty that might be imposed by US regulators. This essentially means the moment of truth is fast approaching for US-listed Chinese companies such as Alibaba.Final ThoughtsThe takeaway here is that Alibaba’s shares are trading at a premium relative to its peers, despite heightened macroeconomic and regulatory uncertainty surrounding the name. This is likely why short interest in the name has been surging and will continue to do so in the coming weeks as well. 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Unfortunately, political risks have brought it too many difficulties.","text":"Alibaba itself is an excellent company. Unfortunately, political risks have brought it too many difficulties.","html":"Alibaba itself is an excellent company. Unfortunately, political risks have brought it too many difficulties."},{"id":104451890,"gmtCreate":1666366631810,"gmtModify":1666367224611,"authorId":9000000000000434,"author":{"id":9000000000000434,"idStr":"9000000000000434","authorId":9000000000000434,"name":"PageDickens","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/8e83e48989b3401bb5773e10a7c62208","vip":8,"crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"individualDisplayBadges":[]},"repliedAuthorId":0,"objectId":9981075440,"type":1,"supId":0,"prevId":0,"content":"But I think it is very difficult for the United States to lift some restrictions on Chinese companies. At least not in the short term.","text":"But I think it is very difficult for the United States to lift some restrictions on Chinese companies. 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