罗杰斯：史上最残暴的熊市，或在这个时间开启

腾讯美股2021-08-09

罗杰斯说道：“2008年时，股市的问题主要是在于，我们背负了太多债务。可是，2008年之后直至今天，债务更火箭一般窜升。因此，下一次我们遇到熊市时，只能比那次严酷得多。” 现在，债券已经处在泡沫当中，而许多股票也开始泡沫化，同样泡沫化的还有韩国、新西兰和许多其他地方的房市，唯有大宗商品价格还算低廉。近日接受采访时，传奇投资人罗杰斯（Jim Rogers）讨论了自己对商品投资的看法，并预言说，到...

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东东北北
·2021-08-10
這老小子肯定賣了不少指數空。。要不能在這放炮
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jakbs
·2021-08-10
小羅?
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EricBong
·2021-08-10
555
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Youn7276
·2021-08-10
閱！
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Xiaoranqi
·2021-08-10
Oh
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YourCFP
·2021-08-10
說錯了不要緊，漲的話沒人管
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- Wishonest:
  [笑哭]
  2021-08-10
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- 53570b80:
  或许而已[开心]
  2021-08-10
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- 馒头卡喉咙啦:
  对
  2021-08-10
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hhyw
·2021-08-10
來了來了
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CKWAI
·2021-08-10
來，回覆和點贊，謝謝
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- DYTW:
  ok
  2021-08-10
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- CKWAI:
  谢谢
  2021-08-10
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万象入星辰
·2021-08-10
666
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康康的
·2021-08-10
來吧
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中国ChinaATM
·2021-08-10
靜靜啦，你能預知市場動向就不用出來妖言惑衆了
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快乐玩美股
·2021-08-10
[財迷]
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Willpaul
·2021-08-10
熱暴風雪來的更猛烈些吧！
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- 康康的:
  好
  2021-08-10
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LoAd
·2021-08-10
擔心
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LoAd
·2021-08-10
擔心
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MrDT
·2021-08-10
[噴血] [噴血] [噴血]
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万象入星辰
·2021-08-09
是的！反身性
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时间会改变一切
·2021-08-09
我已經梭哈SQQQ了，準備拿到美股崩盤，一年不行就兩年，兩年不行就三年[齜牙]
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相知一生
·2021-08-09
然後羅傑斯去做多了…?
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我看好你呦
·2021-08-09
只是智者對當下的感受和評判
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