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‘There is no alternative’ — Stocks’ long-running ‘TINA’ advantage could be ending, worrying traders

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Will March be the death of the “TINA” trade? February started with the reflation trade, and ended with a bond market rout that scrambled stock valuations and caused some to wonder whether this is the ...

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HyperCat
·2021-03-02
Is it time to buy bank stocks?
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SafetyFirst
·2021-03-02
Wow TINA
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- SafetyFirst:
  wow
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- SafetyFirst:
  I see
  2021-03-15
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Hamsterwan
·2021-03-02
Haha
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同是天涯沦落人
·2021-03-02
Rotation play in Feb, I believe this month will have another rotation again.
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yellowverow
·2021-03-02
Good article.
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JeremyKok
·2021-03-02
Which stock to buy?
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Discus
·2021-03-01
[強]
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KGosti
·2021-03-01
Great ariticle, would you like to share it?
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Karldyan
·2021-03-01
Hmmm
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Aman26
·2021-03-01
Great article
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Adelineeex
·2021-03-01
Nice
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Qtpie
·2021-03-01
Nice
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onezero
·2021-03-01
Ok
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小熊家族
·2021-03-01
What say you.?
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  2021-03-07
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Xiion
·2021-03-01
Great ariticle, would you like to share it?
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AlvinWu
·2021-03-01
Tina could have been my girl. Is she your’s?
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BibiLoh
·2021-03-01
Ah huat!
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·2021-03-01
Nice
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The sectors that tend to do worse are defensive: consumer staples, health care, utilities, and real estate.\nThat is exactly how the market is reacting. As rates rose in February, banks gained, and defensive stocks declined.\nAnother group that has been getting hurt on rising rates is technology stocks, and with good reason, Subramanian notes: \"Ultra-low rates have ballooned valuations for secular growth stocks since the financial crisis,\" she says.\nNot surprisingly, megacap tech stocks began moving down as soon as rates started rising.\nMegacap tech in February\n\nApple down 8%\nXilinx down 4%\nAMD down 4%\nFacebook down 4%\nMicrosoft down 1%\n\nThe three factors that drive stock prices\nThe Federal Reserve has been furiously pumping money into the economy, and much of that money has found its way into the stock market and has been a major factor in why equities have done so well in the last year.\nWhile \"liquidity\" (how much money is available to buy and sell stocks) is an important factor, stocks have traditionally risen on some combination of:\n\nAn increase in dividends;\nAn increase in earnings; or\nAn expansion of the P/E multiple.\n\nVanguard founder Jack Bogle used to call dividends and earnings the \"fundamental\" part of stock investing, while calling stock rises based on expanding P/E ratios the \"speculative\" part of the market, that is, it represented investors betting on whether earnings might be rising in the future.\nMuch of the recent expansion in stock prices has been driven by an expansion of the P/E multiple, which now sits at roughly 22 times 2021 earnings.\nBig-cap technology stocks in particular saw dramatic rises in P/E multiples in 2020.  Chip maker Xilinx, for example, went from 25 to 50 times forward earnings.  NVIDIA went from 30 to 60.  Even old-school big cap tech stocks saw big moves up in their P/E levels last year with Microsoft going from 25 to 35, and Apple leaping from 20 to 35.\nThese multiples have dropped as interest rates have risen in 2021.\nThe bad news is that even if bond yields don't move higher, the current move up appears to be putting a ceiling on valuations.\nIf rates keep moving up, can stocks still go higher?\nIf higher rates are indeed putting a ceiling on stock multiples, than investors will have to rely on dividend increases and genuinely rising earnings (not just expectations) to propel prices forward.\nFortunately, there is good evidence this is happening. Analysts have consistently underestimated the strength of the economic recovery. 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