Nvidia's Bull Run May Continue, But Micron Is A Better Pick

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Nvidia's Bull Run May Continue, But Micron Is A Better Pick

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SummaryNvidia and Micron are two semiconductor giants, but Nvidia has been a better performer and a more popular stock lately.Although Nvidia's semiconductors are irreplaceable, their past growth rate...

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Blading23
·2022-01-05
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·2022-01-05
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天虎
·2022-01-05
美光價格便宜，英偉達想象力豐富，但都處在高景氣的軌道上
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Delfort
·2022-01-05
Thanks
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bluefun
·2022-01-05
Nvidia gogogo
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JunHaoT
·2022-01-05
Go nvida
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hj489
·2022-01-05
Both in demand due to EV
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Ah Deck
·2022-01-05
Nvidia and MU are the stars ..recommend tobuy
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All are bitcoin issue
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From a purely business perspective, Nvidia's capital-light operations and market leadership make it preferable. However, at a 6x cheaper valuation, Micron is the better buy now.IntroductionNvidia's bull run over the past couple years made it by far the most valuable semiconductor company. In fact, it's now the 8th most valuable company in the world. Among semiconductor companies, only TSMC (NYSE:TSM) joins it in the top 25. This status has given Nvidia a reputation as the premier \"picks and shovels\" play of futuristic tech.It's certainly true that Nvidia isapicks and shovels play. Nvidia's GPUs - which specialize in highly parallelized computing like graphics - are increasingly important in areas like data centers, cryptocurrency mining, and self-driving cars. Companies like Meta (NASDAQ:FB) are ramping up spending in these fields, which in Meta's case reportedly includes an all-in bet on Nvidia's GPUs. Widespread demand created a shortage of Nvidia products and drove the bull run that 6xed the stock from its March 2020 lows.However, over half of that performance was driven by multiple expansion. Nvidia bottomed at 35 P/E in 2020, and now stands at nearly 100. This lofty multiple makes Nvidia look much further ahead of its semiconductor peers than it actually is.To illustrate, Micron - which at a $104B market cap and P/E of 14 has flown comparatively under the radar - actually has more revenue than Nvidia. In the last 12 months, they brought in $27.7B compared to $24.3B from Nvidia. If Nvidia's P/E was applied to Micron, it would have a $713B market cap... just 5.6% smaller than Nvidia's.From a business perspective, there's not much similarity between these two companies besides the fact that they both design semiconductors.Source: StatistaNvidia focuses on GPUs, a product that it invented. It has 83% market share, excluding integrated GPUs where Intel leads. This market share is partially protected by intellectual property.Source: TECHDesignOn the other hand, Micron is a distant third in DRAM market share and only fifth in the crowded NAND space. Unlike Nvidia, Micron manufactures chips in addition to designing them and doesn't seem to have a noteworthy advantage when it comes to intellectual property.DRAM and NAND are two types of memory chips. While GPUs specialize in performing a lot of operations very quickly, memory chips focus on storing a lot of information.Memory chips are used alongside GPUs, and don't compete directly with them. Micron is partnered with Nvidia on a variety of offerings, helping both companies benefit from the same growth trends. In particular, both companies have highlighted AI, 5G, IoT, gaming, industrial, blockchain, the metaverse, and auto as areas that will drive future growth.In the rest of this article, I'll explain why Nvidia's growth rate over the past year may not be sustainable, while Micron's future growth may be even better than it was in the past.Nvidia's Growth TrajectorySource: Seeking AlphaAccording to Seeking Alpha, analysts project a 16-18% revenue and earnings CAGR for Nvidia over the next two years. For comparison, Nvidia is wrapping up a year where it will have grown earnings by about 73%.What's causing the deceleration? One place to look is prior to 2021. Between 2005 and 2020, Nvidia's revenue grew at a CAGR of 12%. Adding 2021's historic growth brings it to 14% CAGR. So analysts are projecting slightly elevated growth relative to historic levels, which I think is reasonable. This level of growth is very impressive, and it was enough for Nvidia to generate strong returns even prior to this year.This growth is also above the industry average. Since 2008, the only large cap semiconductor company with a revenue CAGR above 15% is Broadcom (NASDAQ:AVGO), which only broke this threshold due to acquisitions. Keep in mind that this is during the biggest tech bull run ever.Famous investor Peter Lynch was skeptical of any company growing faster than 20% because of the difficulty of sustaining that growth, and the lack of exceptions to this rule in the semiconductor industry seems to prove him right. (There are plenty of exceptions in software though.)At nearly 100 P/E and growing off of its largest revenue base ever, 2021 will be a difficult act for Nvidia to follow. Nvidia will have to grow significantly faster than 18% per year to justify its valuation relative to peers, since 18% growth would still put its PEG ratio above 5. If Nvidia delivers on its projected growth and trades flat for the next two years, it will have aforwardP/E of 49.It's also worth noting that semiconductor revenue is cyclical, so this isn't the first time that Nvidia has experienced strong growth. In both 2008 and 2018, Nvidia had growth of 34% of higher, but those years were followed by growth of -16% and 21% in the next year.Just to highlight one area where growth doesn't look sustainable, Nvidia benefited from the increasing popularity of cryptocurrency in 2021. Nvidia has stated that it doesn't have visibility into exactly how much demand from crypto impacts revenue, but its products are used to mine cryptocurrency like Bitcoin (BTC-USD).I'm certainly not so bold as to call a top in Bitcoin, but historically it has been the case that the year after a halving has marked the start of a Bitcoin bear market. Additionally, altcoins that use proof of stake (including Ethereum, which will switch to proof of stake in 2022) have been gaining market share on Bitcoin. Proof of stake doesn't need Nvidia's GPUs because it doesn't do as much computation.Micron benefits from cryptocurrency as well, since miners need a lot of power and a lot of memory. But the market's perception seems to be that Nvidia benefits more based on the well publicized GPU shortages related to mining, which could negatively impact Nvidia's stock if Bitcoin crashes. Additionally, Micron would not be as impacted by a switch to proof of stake.Focusing only on cryptocurrency is a disservice to Nvidia's strong growth across the board. Revenue is growing rapidly in every segment:Source: The AuthorThese segments all have enormous potential, and that could let Nvidia continue to grow quickly for years. I'm not ruling out the possibility that Nvidia beats estimates and has positive returns in 2022 or the following years. Over the long term, I have no doubt that they will continue to grow revenue and do very well. I just see better places to deploy capital now, which brings us to Micron.Micron's Growth TrajectoryMicron is no slouch either when it comes to growth. Between 2005 and 2020, their revenue had a 10% CAGR (compared to 12% for Nvidia). According to Micron, memory has been the fastest growing sub-field in semiconductors over the last two decades.Source: Earnings PresentationMicron breaks down its segments a bit differently than Nvidia, but its segments are all growing quickly as well. They highlight many of the same growth drivers as Nvidia. In particular, they saw 80% growth in industrial/IoT this year, and they expect 40-50% CAGR in the auto market over the next three years.Source: Seeking AlphaMicron's fiscal year ends at a different time than Nvidia, so it's difficult to make head-to-head comparisons based on the estimates in the image above. But one easy point to make is that Micron's projected EPS growth in the one year ending August 2022 is 10% higher than Nvidia's projected EPS growth in the two years from January 2022 to January 2024.These are just projections and they're often wrong. But Micron's projected EPS growth is based on just 16% revenue growth, which seems like an attainable target that's only slightly higher than its historic growth rate.Ideally, an investment would be fairly valued based on earnings estimates so that a company doesn't have to wildly exceed expectations to deliver strong returns. I believe that's the case with Micron, since even using its historic 10% CAGR without factoring in this year's projected 46% growth, it has a PEG of just 1.4.Another reason why I believe Micron's growth estimates are attainable is because of where they are in the supply/demand cycle. While Nvidia's revenue is breaking records every quarter, Micron still has less revenue now than it did in 2018. This is an industry-wide issue; revenue for Micron competitor SK Hynix also peaked in 2018.It's not a foregone conclusion that revenue in the memory industry will reach another all-time high. But considering the strong growth trends that underpin the industry and the progress those trends have made since 2018, I think it's reasonable to assume that this will happen at some point.There are a variety of other reasons why Micron's future growth could be steadier and more sustainable than it was in the past:75% of their revenue now comes from long term agreements based on close collaboration with customers. This is up from 10% five years ago.The memory industry has consolidated (anyone remember Sandisk, Inotera, or Elpida?), which should lead to more favorable pricing and less risk of oversupply.The adoption of capital intensive EUV manufacturing technology will make it more difficult for new entrants, especially in China where the tech is unavailable.Micron could get support from the federal government as part of the CHIPS act, which appears to be more focused on manufacturing than design (and thus not as likely to benefit Nvidia).Micron recently started paying a dividend, which indicates management's confidence that their cash flows are sustainable.RisksTo be clear, my thesis is that Micron will outperform Nvidia over the next few years, not that Nvidia's stock will decline. Great companies like Nvidia can trade at elevated multiples for a long time and I have no desire to short Nvidia. Even so, there are a couple reasons why this narrow thesis could fail and Micron could end up underperforming Nvidia.The first is that Micron's moat sources are not as strong as Nvidia's. Micron's market position has improved as a result of the factors mentioned in the previous section. Even so, it's still a relatively small player compared to Samsung despite its market leadership in some verticals like low power DRAM. This could stop Micron from driving innovations through R&D or exercising pricing power. On the other hand, Nvidia invented the GPU, owns substantial intellectual property related to it, and is the largest GPU player with the largest R&D budget.Micron has also benefitted from multiple expansion; a couple years ago it had a forward P/E of just 3. In that respect, Nvidia and Micron have both experienced a similar level of multiple expansion (about 5x). The difference is that Micron's current P/E of 14 is a reasonable multiple for a fast growing cyclical company with high teens revenue growth. Nvidia's current P/E of 93 is a reasonable multiple for a high quality company positioned to grow at 30%+ for years to come, which I doubt Nvidia (or any large cap semiconductor company) can do. Even so, both companies could be vulnerable to multiple contraction in the future. While I believe it's unlikely, Micron could benefit less from changes to its multiple than Nvidia.ConclusionBoth Micron and Nvidia are great companies, but Nvidia is probably a better company in terms of market position and margins. I would be an avid buyer of Nvidia at 40-50 P/E, a level that I admit it may not fall to for a while. 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From a purely business perspective, Nvidia&#39;s capital-light operations and market leadership make it preferable. However, at a 6x cheaper valuation, Micron is the better buy now.IntroductionNvidia&#39;s bull run over the past couple years made it by far the most valuable semiconductor company. In fact, it&#39;s now the 8th most valuable company in the world. Among semiconductor companies, only TSMC (NYSE:TSM) joins it in the top 25. This status has given Nvidia a reputation as the premier &#34;picks and shovels&#34; play of futuristic tech.It&#39;s certainly true that Nvidia isapicks and shovels play. Nvidia&#39;s GPUs - which specialize in highly parallelized computing like graphics - are increasingly important in areas like data centers, cryptocurrency mining, and self-driving cars. Companies like Meta (NASDAQ:FB) are ramping up spending in these fields, which in Meta&#39;s case reportedly includes an all-in bet on Nvidia&#39;s GPUs. Widespread demand created a shortage of Nvidia products and drove the bull run that 6xed the stock from its March 2020 lows.However, over half of that performance was driven by multiple expansion. Nvidia bottomed at 35 P/E in 2020, and now stands at nearly 100. This lofty multiple makes Nvidia look much further ahead of its semiconductor peers than it actually is.To illustrate, Micron - which at a $104B market cap and P/E of 14 has flown comparatively under the radar - actually has more revenue than Nvidia. In the last 12 months, they brought in $27.7B compared to $24.3B from Nvidia. If Nvidia&#39;s P/E was applied to Micron, it would have a $713B market cap... just 5.6% smaller than Nvidia&#39;s.From a business perspective, there&#39;s not much similarity between these two companies besides the fact that they both design semiconductors.<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/200b841ba17e382317f5508778ebf9ff\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"394\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: StatistaNvidia focuses on GPUs, a product that it invented. It has 83% market share, excluding integrated GPUs where Intel leads. This market share is partially protected by intellectual property.<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/d0ecfd56031c9bfeb18ff874dc722363\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"394\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: TECHDesignOn the other hand, Micron is a distant third in DRAM market share and only fifth in the crowded NAND space. Unlike Nvidia, Micron manufactures chips in addition to designing them and doesn&#39;t seem to have a noteworthy advantage when it comes to intellectual property.DRAM and NAND are two types of memory chips. While GPUs specialize in performing a lot of operations very quickly, memory chips focus on storing a lot of information.Memory chips are used alongside GPUs, and don&#39;t compete directly with them. Micron is partnered with Nvidia on a variety of offerings, helping both companies benefit from the same growth trends. In particular, both companies have highlighted AI, 5G, IoT, gaming, industrial, blockchain, the metaverse, and auto as areas that will drive future growth.In the rest of this article, I&#39;ll explain why Nvidia&#39;s growth rate over the past year may not be sustainable, while Micron&#39;s future growth may be even better than it was in the past.Nvidia&#39;s Growth Trajectory<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/74dbfacbd6ae03fb40883b5dfea2bbf8\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"76\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: Seeking AlphaAccording to Seeking Alpha, analysts project a 16-18% revenue and earnings CAGR for Nvidia over the next two years. For comparison, Nvidia is wrapping up a year where it will have grown earnings by about 73%.What&#39;s causing the deceleration? One place to look is prior to 2021. Between 2005 and 2020, Nvidia&#39;s revenue grew at a CAGR of 12%. Adding 2021&#39;s historic growth brings it to 14% CAGR. So analysts are projecting slightly elevated growth relative to historic levels, which I think is reasonable. This level of growth is very impressive, and it was enough for Nvidia to generate strong returns even prior to this year.This growth is also above the industry average. Since 2008, the only large cap semiconductor company with a revenue CAGR above 15% is Broadcom (NASDAQ:AVGO), which only broke this threshold due to acquisitions. Keep in mind that this is during the biggest tech bull run ever.Famous investor Peter Lynch was skeptical of any company growing faster than 20% because of the difficulty of sustaining that growth, and the lack of exceptions to this rule in the semiconductor industry seems to prove him right. (There are plenty of exceptions in software though.)At nearly 100 P/E and growing off of its largest revenue base ever, 2021 will be a difficult act for Nvidia to follow. Nvidia will have to grow significantly faster than 18% per year to justify its valuation relative to peers, since 18% growth would still put its PEG ratio above 5. If Nvidia delivers on its projected growth and trades flat for the next two years, it will have aforwardP/E of 49.It&#39;s also worth noting that semiconductor revenue is cyclical, so this isn&#39;t the first time that Nvidia has experienced strong growth. In both 2008 and 2018, Nvidia had growth of 34% of higher, but those years were followed by growth of -16% and 21% in the next year.Just to highlight one area where growth doesn&#39;t look sustainable, Nvidia benefited from the increasing popularity of cryptocurrency in 2021. Nvidia has stated that it doesn&#39;t have visibility into exactly how much demand from crypto impacts revenue, but its products are used to mine cryptocurrency like Bitcoin (BTC-USD).I&#39;m certainly not so bold as to call a top in Bitcoin, but historically it has been the case that the year after a halving has marked the start of a Bitcoin bear market. Additionally, altcoins that use proof of stake (including Ethereum, which will switch to proof of stake in 2022) have been gaining market share on Bitcoin. Proof of stake doesn&#39;t need Nvidia&#39;s GPUs because it doesn&#39;t do as much computation.Micron benefits from cryptocurrency as well, since miners need a lot of power and a lot of memory. But the market&#39;s perception seems to be that Nvidia benefits more based on the well publicized GPU shortages related to mining, which could negatively impact Nvidia&#39;s stock if Bitcoin crashes. Additionally, Micron would not be as impacted by a switch to proof of stake.Focusing only on cryptocurrency is a disservice to Nvidia&#39;s strong growth across the board. Revenue is growing rapidly in every segment:<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/dcb18bde54e264f60139107ea74aba67\" tg-width=\"945\" tg-height=\"326\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: The AuthorThese segments all have enormous potential, and that could let Nvidia continue to grow quickly for years. I&#39;m not ruling out the possibility that Nvidia beats estimates and has positive returns in 2022 or the following years. Over the long term, I have no doubt that they will continue to grow revenue and do very well. I just see better places to deploy capital now, which brings us to Micron.Micron&#39;s Growth TrajectoryMicron is no slouch either when it comes to growth. Between 2005 and 2020, their revenue had a 10% CAGR (compared to 12% for Nvidia). According to Micron, memory has been the fastest growing sub-field in semiconductors over the last two decades.<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/a2909ab175fa284b1247812cc9312e2d\" tg-width=\"930\" tg-height=\"330\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: Earnings PresentationMicron breaks down its segments a bit differently than Nvidia, but its segments are all growing quickly as well. They highlight many of the same growth drivers as Nvidia. In particular, they saw 80% growth in industrial/IoT this year, and they expect 40-50% CAGR in the auto market over the next three years.<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/1f64ca0b97d8dd38525cee5bd53299cc\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"75\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: Seeking AlphaMicron&#39;s fiscal year ends at a different time than Nvidia, so it&#39;s difficult to make head-to-head comparisons based on the estimates in the image above. But one easy point to make is that Micron&#39;s projected EPS growth in the one year ending August 2022 is 10% higher than Nvidia&#39;s projected EPS growth in the two years from January 2022 to January 2024.These are just projections and they&#39;re often wrong. But Micron&#39;s projected EPS growth is based on just 16% revenue growth, which seems like an attainable target that&#39;s only slightly higher than its historic growth rate.Ideally, an investment would be fairly valued based on earnings estimates so that a company doesn&#39;t have to wildly exceed expectations to deliver strong returns. I believe that&#39;s the case with Micron, since even using its historic 10% CAGR without factoring in this year&#39;s projected 46% growth, it has a PEG of just 1.4.Another reason why I believe Micron&#39;s growth estimates are attainable is because of where they are in the supply/demand cycle. While Nvidia&#39;s revenue is breaking records every quarter, Micron still has less revenue now than it did in 2018. This is an industry-wide issue; revenue for Micron competitor SK Hynix also peaked in 2018.It&#39;s not a foregone conclusion that revenue in the memory industry will reach another all-time high. But considering the strong growth trends that underpin the industry and the progress those trends have made since 2018, I think it&#39;s reasonable to assume that this will happen at some point.There are a variety of other reasons why Micron&#39;s future growth could be steadier and more sustainable than it was in the past:<ul><li>75% of their revenue now comes from long term agreements based on close collaboration with customers. This is up from 10% five years ago.</li><li>The memory industry has consolidated (anyone remember Sandisk, Inotera, or Elpida?), which should lead to more favorable pricing and less risk of oversupply.</li><li>The adoption of capital intensive EUV manufacturing technology will make it more difficult for new entrants, especially in China where the tech is unavailable.</li><li>Micron could get support from the federal government as part of the CHIPS act, which appears to be more focused on manufacturing than design (and thus not as likely to benefit Nvidia).</li><li>Micron recently started paying a dividend, which indicates management&#39;s confidence that their cash flows are sustainable.</li></ul>RisksTo be clear, my thesis is that Micron will outperform Nvidia over the next few years, not that Nvidia&#39;s stock will decline. Great companies like Nvidia can trade at elevated multiples for a long time and I have no desire to short Nvidia. Even so, there are a couple reasons why this narrow thesis could fail and Micron could end up underperforming Nvidia.The first is that Micron&#39;s moat sources are not as strong as Nvidia&#39;s. Micron&#39;s market position has improved as a result of the factors mentioned in the previous section. Even so, it&#39;s still a relatively small player compared to Samsung despite its market leadership in some verticals like low power DRAM. This could stop Micron from driving innovations through R&amp;D or exercising pricing power. On the other hand, Nvidia invented the GPU, owns substantial intellectual property related to it, and is the largest GPU player with the largest R&amp;D budget.Micron has also benefitted from multiple expansion; a couple years ago it had a forward P/E of just 3. In that respect, Nvidia and Micron have both experienced a similar level of multiple expansion (about 5x). The difference is that Micron&#39;s current P/E of 14 is a reasonable multiple for a fast growing cyclical company with high teens revenue growth. Nvidia&#39;s current P/E of 93 is a reasonable multiple for a high quality company positioned to grow at 30%+ for years to come, which I doubt Nvidia (or any large cap semiconductor company) can do. Even so, both companies could be vulnerable to multiple contraction in the future. While I believe it&#39;s unlikely, Micron could benefit less from changes to its multiple than Nvidia.ConclusionBoth Micron and Nvidia are great companies, but Nvidia is probably a better company in terms of market position and margins. I would be an avid buyer of Nvidia at 40-50 P/E, a level that I admit it may not fall to for a while. In the meantime, I&#39;m happy with a large position in Micron, which is an increasingly great company at a fair price.</body></html>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Nvidia's Bull Run May Continue, But Micron Is A Better Pick</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nNvidia's Bull Run May Continue, But Micron Is A Better Pick\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2022-01-05 14:39 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://seekingalpha.com/article/4477940-nvidia-nvda-mu-bull-run-may-continue-micron-better-pick>Seeking Alpha</a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\nSummaryNvidia and Micron are two semiconductor giants, but Nvidia has been a better performer and a more popular stock lately.Although Nvidia's semiconductors are irreplaceable, their past growth rate...\n\n<a href=\"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4477940-nvidia-nvda-mu-bull-run-may-continue-micron-better-pick\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"NVDA":"英伟达","MU":"美光科技"},"source_url":"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4477940-nvidia-nvda-mu-bull-run-may-continue-micron-better-pick","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1155972670","content_text":"SummaryNvidia and Micron are two semiconductor giants, but Nvidia has been a better performer and a more popular stock lately.Although Nvidia's semiconductors are irreplaceable, their past growth rate appears unsustainable.On the other hand, Micron's bull run could just be getting started, and its growth is becoming less cyclical.Jae Young Ju/iStock via Getty ImagesThesisBoth NVIDIA (NASDAQ:NVDA) and Micron (NASDAQ:MU) are semiconductor giants benefiting from strong growth trends in data centers, self-driving cars, and other high tech fields. From a purely business perspective, Nvidia's capital-light operations and market leadership make it preferable. However, at a 6x cheaper valuation, Micron is the better buy now.IntroductionNvidia's bull run over the past couple years made it by far the most valuable semiconductor company. In fact, it's now the 8th most valuable company in the world. Among semiconductor companies, only TSMC (NYSE:TSM) joins it in the top 25. This status has given Nvidia a reputation as the premier \"picks and shovels\" play of futuristic tech.It's certainly true that Nvidia isapicks and shovels play. Nvidia's GPUs - which specialize in highly parallelized computing like graphics - are increasingly important in areas like data centers, cryptocurrency mining, and self-driving cars. Companies like Meta (NASDAQ:FB) are ramping up spending in these fields, which in Meta's case reportedly includes an all-in bet on Nvidia's GPUs. Widespread demand created a shortage of Nvidia products and drove the bull run that 6xed the stock from its March 2020 lows.However, over half of that performance was driven by multiple expansion. Nvidia bottomed at 35 P/E in 2020, and now stands at nearly 100. This lofty multiple makes Nvidia look much further ahead of its semiconductor peers than it actually is.To illustrate, Micron - which at a $104B market cap and P/E of 14 has flown comparatively under the radar - actually has more revenue than Nvidia. In the last 12 months, they brought in $27.7B compared to $24.3B from Nvidia. If Nvidia's P/E was applied to Micron, it would have a $713B market cap... just 5.6% smaller than Nvidia's.From a business perspective, there's not much similarity between these two companies besides the fact that they both design semiconductors.Source: StatistaNvidia focuses on GPUs, a product that it invented. It has 83% market share, excluding integrated GPUs where Intel leads. This market share is partially protected by intellectual property.Source: TECHDesignOn the other hand, Micron is a distant third in DRAM market share and only fifth in the crowded NAND space. Unlike Nvidia, Micron manufactures chips in addition to designing them and doesn't seem to have a noteworthy advantage when it comes to intellectual property.DRAM and NAND are two types of memory chips. While GPUs specialize in performing a lot of operations very quickly, memory chips focus on storing a lot of information.Memory chips are used alongside GPUs, and don't compete directly with them. Micron is partnered with Nvidia on a variety of offerings, helping both companies benefit from the same growth trends. In particular, both companies have highlighted AI, 5G, IoT, gaming, industrial, blockchain, the metaverse, and auto as areas that will drive future growth.In the rest of this article, I'll explain why Nvidia's growth rate over the past year may not be sustainable, while Micron's future growth may be even better than it was in the past.Nvidia's Growth TrajectorySource: Seeking AlphaAccording to Seeking Alpha, analysts project a 16-18% revenue and earnings CAGR for Nvidia over the next two years. For comparison, Nvidia is wrapping up a year where it will have grown earnings by about 73%.What's causing the deceleration? One place to look is prior to 2021. Between 2005 and 2020, Nvidia's revenue grew at a CAGR of 12%. Adding 2021's historic growth brings it to 14% CAGR. So analysts are projecting slightly elevated growth relative to historic levels, which I think is reasonable. This level of growth is very impressive, and it was enough for Nvidia to generate strong returns even prior to this year.This growth is also above the industry average. Since 2008, the only large cap semiconductor company with a revenue CAGR above 15% is Broadcom (NASDAQ:AVGO), which only broke this threshold due to acquisitions. Keep in mind that this is during the biggest tech bull run ever.Famous investor Peter Lynch was skeptical of any company growing faster than 20% because of the difficulty of sustaining that growth, and the lack of exceptions to this rule in the semiconductor industry seems to prove him right. (There are plenty of exceptions in software though.)At nearly 100 P/E and growing off of its largest revenue base ever, 2021 will be a difficult act for Nvidia to follow. Nvidia will have to grow significantly faster than 18% per year to justify its valuation relative to peers, since 18% growth would still put its PEG ratio above 5. If Nvidia delivers on its projected growth and trades flat for the next two years, it will have aforwardP/E of 49.It's also worth noting that semiconductor revenue is cyclical, so this isn't the first time that Nvidia has experienced strong growth. In both 2008 and 2018, Nvidia had growth of 34% of higher, but those years were followed by growth of -16% and 21% in the next year.Just to highlight one area where growth doesn't look sustainable, Nvidia benefited from the increasing popularity of cryptocurrency in 2021. Nvidia has stated that it doesn't have visibility into exactly how much demand from crypto impacts revenue, but its products are used to mine cryptocurrency like Bitcoin (BTC-USD).I'm certainly not so bold as to call a top in Bitcoin, but historically it has been the case that the year after a halving has marked the start of a Bitcoin bear market. Additionally, altcoins that use proof of stake (including Ethereum, which will switch to proof of stake in 2022) have been gaining market share on Bitcoin. Proof of stake doesn't need Nvidia's GPUs because it doesn't do as much computation.Micron benefits from cryptocurrency as well, since miners need a lot of power and a lot of memory. But the market's perception seems to be that Nvidia benefits more based on the well publicized GPU shortages related to mining, which could negatively impact Nvidia's stock if Bitcoin crashes. Additionally, Micron would not be as impacted by a switch to proof of stake.Focusing only on cryptocurrency is a disservice to Nvidia's strong growth across the board. Revenue is growing rapidly in every segment:Source: The AuthorThese segments all have enormous potential, and that could let Nvidia continue to grow quickly for years. I'm not ruling out the possibility that Nvidia beats estimates and has positive returns in 2022 or the following years. Over the long term, I have no doubt that they will continue to grow revenue and do very well. I just see better places to deploy capital now, which brings us to Micron.Micron's Growth TrajectoryMicron is no slouch either when it comes to growth. Between 2005 and 2020, their revenue had a 10% CAGR (compared to 12% for Nvidia). According to Micron, memory has been the fastest growing sub-field in semiconductors over the last two decades.Source: Earnings PresentationMicron breaks down its segments a bit differently than Nvidia, but its segments are all growing quickly as well. They highlight many of the same growth drivers as Nvidia. In particular, they saw 80% growth in industrial/IoT this year, and they expect 40-50% CAGR in the auto market over the next three years.Source: Seeking AlphaMicron's fiscal year ends at a different time than Nvidia, so it's difficult to make head-to-head comparisons based on the estimates in the image above. But one easy point to make is that Micron's projected EPS growth in the one year ending August 2022 is 10% higher than Nvidia's projected EPS growth in the two years from January 2022 to January 2024.These are just projections and they're often wrong. But Micron's projected EPS growth is based on just 16% revenue growth, which seems like an attainable target that's only slightly higher than its historic growth rate.Ideally, an investment would be fairly valued based on earnings estimates so that a company doesn't have to wildly exceed expectations to deliver strong returns. I believe that's the case with Micron, since even using its historic 10% CAGR without factoring in this year's projected 46% growth, it has a PEG of just 1.4.Another reason why I believe Micron's growth estimates are attainable is because of where they are in the supply/demand cycle. While Nvidia's revenue is breaking records every quarter, Micron still has less revenue now than it did in 2018. This is an industry-wide issue; revenue for Micron competitor SK Hynix also peaked in 2018.It's not a foregone conclusion that revenue in the memory industry will reach another all-time high. But considering the strong growth trends that underpin the industry and the progress those trends have made since 2018, I think it's reasonable to assume that this will happen at some point.There are a variety of other reasons why Micron's future growth could be steadier and more sustainable than it was in the past:75% of their revenue now comes from long term agreements based on close collaboration with customers. This is up from 10% five years ago.The memory industry has consolidated (anyone remember Sandisk, Inotera, or Elpida?), which should lead to more favorable pricing and less risk of oversupply.The adoption of capital intensive EUV manufacturing technology will make it more difficult for new entrants, especially in China where the tech is unavailable.Micron could get support from the federal government as part of the CHIPS act, which appears to be more focused on manufacturing than design (and thus not as likely to benefit Nvidia).Micron recently started paying a dividend, which indicates management's confidence that their cash flows are sustainable.RisksTo be clear, my thesis is that Micron will outperform Nvidia over the next few years, not that Nvidia's stock will decline. Great companies like Nvidia can trade at elevated multiples for a long time and I have no desire to short Nvidia. Even so, there are a couple reasons why this narrow thesis could fail and Micron could end up underperforming Nvidia.The first is that Micron's moat sources are not as strong as Nvidia's. Micron's market position has improved as a result of the factors mentioned in the previous section. Even so, it's still a relatively small player compared to Samsung despite its market leadership in some verticals like low power DRAM. This could stop Micron from driving innovations through R&D or exercising pricing power. On the other hand, Nvidia invented the GPU, owns substantial intellectual property related to it, and is the largest GPU player with the largest R&D budget.Micron has also benefitted from multiple expansion; a couple years ago it had a forward P/E of just 3. In that respect, Nvidia and Micron have both experienced a similar level of multiple expansion (about 5x). The difference is that Micron's current P/E of 14 is a reasonable multiple for a fast growing cyclical company with high teens revenue growth. Nvidia's current P/E of 93 is a reasonable multiple for a high quality company positioned to grow at 30%+ for years to come, which I doubt Nvidia (or any large cap semiconductor company) can do. Even so, both companies could be vulnerable to multiple contraction in the future. While I believe it's unlikely, Micron could benefit less from changes to its multiple than Nvidia.ConclusionBoth Micron and Nvidia are great companies, but Nvidia is probably a better company in terms of market position and margins. I would be an avid buyer of Nvidia at 40-50 P/E, a level that I admit it may not fall to for a while. 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From a purely business perspective, Nvidia&#39;s capital-light operations and market leadership make it preferable. However, at a 6x cheaper valuation, Micron is the better buy now.IntroductionNvidia&#39;s bull run over the past couple years made it by far the most valuable semiconductor company. In fact, it&#39;s now the 8th most valuable company in the world. Among semiconductor companies, only TSMC (NYSE:TSM) joins it in the top 25. This status has given Nvidia a reputation as the premier &#34;picks and shovels&#34; play of futuristic tech.It&#39;s certainly true that Nvidia isapicks and shovels play. Nvidia&#39;s GPUs - which specialize in highly parallelized computing like graphics - are increasingly important in areas like data centers, cryptocurrency mining, and self-driving cars. Companies like Meta (NASDAQ:FB) are ramping up spending in these fields, which in Meta&#39;s case reportedly includes an all-in bet on Nvidia&#39;s GPUs. Widespread demand created a shortage of Nvidia products and drove the bull run that 6xed the stock from its March 2020 lows.However, over half of that performance was driven by multiple expansion. Nvidia bottomed at 35 P/E in 2020, and now stands at nearly 100. This lofty multiple makes Nvidia look much further ahead of its semiconductor peers than it actually is.To illustrate, Micron - which at a $104B market cap and P/E of 14 has flown comparatively under the radar - actually has more revenue than Nvidia. In the last 12 months, they brought in $27.7B compared to $24.3B from Nvidia. If Nvidia&#39;s P/E was applied to Micron, it would have a $713B market cap... just 5.6% smaller than Nvidia&#39;s.From a business perspective, there&#39;s not much similarity between these two companies besides the fact that they both design semiconductors.<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/200b841ba17e382317f5508778ebf9ff\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"394\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: StatistaNvidia focuses on GPUs, a product that it invented. It has 83% market share, excluding integrated GPUs where Intel leads. This market share is partially protected by intellectual property.<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/d0ecfd56031c9bfeb18ff874dc722363\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"394\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: TECHDesignOn the other hand, Micron is a distant third in DRAM market share and only fifth in the crowded NAND space. Unlike Nvidia, Micron manufactures chips in addition to designing them and doesn&#39;t seem to have a noteworthy advantage when it comes to intellectual property.DRAM and NAND are two types of memory chips. While GPUs specialize in performing a lot of operations very quickly, memory chips focus on storing a lot of information.Memory chips are used alongside GPUs, and don&#39;t compete directly with them. Micron is partnered with Nvidia on a variety of offerings, helping both companies benefit from the same growth trends. In particular, both companies have highlighted AI, 5G, IoT, gaming, industrial, blockchain, the metaverse, and auto as areas that will drive future growth.In the rest of this article, I&#39;ll explain why Nvidia&#39;s growth rate over the past year may not be sustainable, while Micron&#39;s future growth may be even better than it was in the past.Nvidia&#39;s Growth Trajectory<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/74dbfacbd6ae03fb40883b5dfea2bbf8\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"76\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: Seeking AlphaAccording to Seeking Alpha, analysts project a 16-18% revenue and earnings CAGR for Nvidia over the next two years. For comparison, Nvidia is wrapping up a year where it will have grown earnings by about 73%.What&#39;s causing the deceleration? One place to look is prior to 2021. Between 2005 and 2020, Nvidia&#39;s revenue grew at a CAGR of 12%. Adding 2021&#39;s historic growth brings it to 14% CAGR. So analysts are projecting slightly elevated growth relative to historic levels, which I think is reasonable. This level of growth is very impressive, and it was enough for Nvidia to generate strong returns even prior to this year.This growth is also above the industry average. Since 2008, the only large cap semiconductor company with a revenue CAGR above 15% is Broadcom (NASDAQ:AVGO), which only broke this threshold due to acquisitions. Keep in mind that this is during the biggest tech bull run ever.Famous investor Peter Lynch was skeptical of any company growing faster than 20% because of the difficulty of sustaining that growth, and the lack of exceptions to this rule in the semiconductor industry seems to prove him right. (There are plenty of exceptions in software though.)At nearly 100 P/E and growing off of its largest revenue base ever, 2021 will be a difficult act for Nvidia to follow. Nvidia will have to grow significantly faster than 18% per year to justify its valuation relative to peers, since 18% growth would still put its PEG ratio above 5. If Nvidia delivers on its projected growth and trades flat for the next two years, it will have aforwardP/E of 49.It&#39;s also worth noting that semiconductor revenue is cyclical, so this isn&#39;t the first time that Nvidia has experienced strong growth. In both 2008 and 2018, Nvidia had growth of 34% of higher, but those years were followed by growth of -16% and 21% in the next year.Just to highlight one area where growth doesn&#39;t look sustainable, Nvidia benefited from the increasing popularity of cryptocurrency in 2021. Nvidia has stated that it doesn&#39;t have visibility into exactly how much demand from crypto impacts revenue, but its products are used to mine cryptocurrency like Bitcoin (BTC-USD).I&#39;m certainly not so bold as to call a top in Bitcoin, but historically it has been the case that the year after a halving has marked the start of a Bitcoin bear market. Additionally, altcoins that use proof of stake (including Ethereum, which will switch to proof of stake in 2022) have been gaining market share on Bitcoin. Proof of stake doesn&#39;t need Nvidia&#39;s GPUs because it doesn&#39;t do as much computation.Micron benefits from cryptocurrency as well, since miners need a lot of power and a lot of memory. But the market&#39;s perception seems to be that Nvidia benefits more based on the well publicized GPU shortages related to mining, which could negatively impact Nvidia&#39;s stock if Bitcoin crashes. Additionally, Micron would not be as impacted by a switch to proof of stake.Focusing only on cryptocurrency is a disservice to Nvidia&#39;s strong growth across the board. Revenue is growing rapidly in every segment:<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/dcb18bde54e264f60139107ea74aba67\" tg-width=\"945\" tg-height=\"326\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: The AuthorThese segments all have enormous potential, and that could let Nvidia continue to grow quickly for years. I&#39;m not ruling out the possibility that Nvidia beats estimates and has positive returns in 2022 or the following years. Over the long term, I have no doubt that they will continue to grow revenue and do very well. I just see better places to deploy capital now, which brings us to Micron.Micron&#39;s Growth TrajectoryMicron is no slouch either when it comes to growth. Between 2005 and 2020, their revenue had a 10% CAGR (compared to 12% for Nvidia). According to Micron, memory has been the fastest growing sub-field in semiconductors over the last two decades.<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/a2909ab175fa284b1247812cc9312e2d\" tg-width=\"930\" tg-height=\"330\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: Earnings PresentationMicron breaks down its segments a bit differently than Nvidia, but its segments are all growing quickly as well. They highlight many of the same growth drivers as Nvidia. In particular, they saw 80% growth in industrial/IoT this year, and they expect 40-50% CAGR in the auto market over the next three years.<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/1f64ca0b97d8dd38525cee5bd53299cc\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"75\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: Seeking AlphaMicron&#39;s fiscal year ends at a different time than Nvidia, so it&#39;s difficult to make head-to-head comparisons based on the estimates in the image above. But one easy point to make is that Micron&#39;s projected EPS growth in the one year ending August 2022 is 10% higher than Nvidia&#39;s projected EPS growth in the two years from January 2022 to January 2024.These are just projections and they&#39;re often wrong. But Micron&#39;s projected EPS growth is based on just 16% revenue growth, which seems like an attainable target that&#39;s only slightly higher than its historic growth rate.Ideally, an investment would be fairly valued based on earnings estimates so that a company doesn&#39;t have to wildly exceed expectations to deliver strong returns. I believe that&#39;s the case with Micron, since even using its historic 10% CAGR without factoring in this year&#39;s projected 46% growth, it has a PEG of just 1.4.Another reason why I believe Micron&#39;s growth estimates are attainable is because of where they are in the supply/demand cycle. While Nvidia&#39;s revenue is breaking records every quarter, Micron still has less revenue now than it did in 2018. This is an industry-wide issue; revenue for Micron competitor SK Hynix also peaked in 2018.It&#39;s not a foregone conclusion that revenue in the memory industry will reach another all-time high. But considering the strong growth trends that underpin the industry and the progress those trends have made since 2018, I think it&#39;s reasonable to assume that this will happen at some point.There are a variety of other reasons why Micron&#39;s future growth could be steadier and more sustainable than it was in the past:<ul><li>75% of their revenue now comes from long term agreements based on close collaboration with customers. This is up from 10% five years ago.</li><li>The memory industry has consolidated (anyone remember Sandisk, Inotera, or Elpida?), which should lead to more favorable pricing and less risk of oversupply.</li><li>The adoption of capital intensive EUV manufacturing technology will make it more difficult for new entrants, especially in China where the tech is unavailable.</li><li>Micron could get support from the federal government as part of the CHIPS act, which appears to be more focused on manufacturing than design (and thus not as likely to benefit Nvidia).</li><li>Micron recently started paying a dividend, which indicates management&#39;s confidence that their cash flows are sustainable.</li></ul>RisksTo be clear, my thesis is that Micron will outperform Nvidia over the next few years, not that Nvidia&#39;s stock will decline. Great companies like Nvidia can trade at elevated multiples for a long time and I have no desire to short Nvidia. Even so, there are a couple reasons why this narrow thesis could fail and Micron could end up underperforming Nvidia.The first is that Micron&#39;s moat sources are not as strong as Nvidia&#39;s. Micron&#39;s market position has improved as a result of the factors mentioned in the previous section. Even so, it&#39;s still a relatively small player compared to Samsung despite its market leadership in some verticals like low power DRAM. This could stop Micron from driving innovations through R&amp;D or exercising pricing power. On the other hand, Nvidia invented the GPU, owns substantial intellectual property related to it, and is the largest GPU player with the largest R&amp;D budget.Micron has also benefitted from multiple expansion; a couple years ago it had a forward P/E of just 3. In that respect, Nvidia and Micron have both experienced a similar level of multiple expansion (about 5x). The difference is that Micron&#39;s current P/E of 14 is a reasonable multiple for a fast growing cyclical company with high teens revenue growth. Nvidia&#39;s current P/E of 93 is a reasonable multiple for a high quality company positioned to grow at 30%+ for years to come, which I doubt Nvidia (or any large cap semiconductor company) can do. Even so, both companies could be vulnerable to multiple contraction in the future. While I believe it&#39;s unlikely, Micron could benefit less from changes to its multiple than Nvidia.ConclusionBoth Micron and Nvidia are great companies, but Nvidia is probably a better company in terms of market position and margins. I would be an avid buyer of Nvidia at 40-50 P/E, a level that I admit it may not fall to for a while. In the meantime, I&#39;m happy with a large position in Micron, which is an increasingly great company at a fair price.</body></html>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Nvidia's Bull Run May Continue, But Micron Is A Better Pick</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nNvidia's Bull Run May Continue, But Micron Is A Better Pick\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2022-01-05 14:39 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://seekingalpha.com/article/4477940-nvidia-nvda-mu-bull-run-may-continue-micron-better-pick>Seeking Alpha</a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\nSummaryNvidia and Micron are two semiconductor giants, but Nvidia has been a better performer and a more popular stock lately.Although Nvidia's semiconductors are irreplaceable, their past growth rate...\n\n<a href=\"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4477940-nvidia-nvda-mu-bull-run-may-continue-micron-better-pick\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"NVDA":"英伟达","MU":"美光科技"},"source_url":"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4477940-nvidia-nvda-mu-bull-run-may-continue-micron-better-pick","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1155972670","content_text":"SummaryNvidia and Micron are two semiconductor giants, but Nvidia has been a better performer and a more popular stock lately.Although Nvidia's semiconductors are irreplaceable, their past growth rate appears unsustainable.On the other hand, Micron's bull run could just be getting started, and its growth is becoming less cyclical.Jae Young Ju/iStock via Getty ImagesThesisBoth NVIDIA (NASDAQ:NVDA) and Micron (NASDAQ:MU) are semiconductor giants benefiting from strong growth trends in data centers, self-driving cars, and other high tech fields. From a purely business perspective, Nvidia's capital-light operations and market leadership make it preferable. However, at a 6x cheaper valuation, Micron is the better buy now.IntroductionNvidia's bull run over the past couple years made it by far the most valuable semiconductor company. In fact, it's now the 8th most valuable company in the world. Among semiconductor companies, only TSMC (NYSE:TSM) joins it in the top 25. This status has given Nvidia a reputation as the premier \"picks and shovels\" play of futuristic tech.It's certainly true that Nvidia isapicks and shovels play. Nvidia's GPUs - which specialize in highly parallelized computing like graphics - are increasingly important in areas like data centers, cryptocurrency mining, and self-driving cars. Companies like Meta (NASDAQ:FB) are ramping up spending in these fields, which in Meta's case reportedly includes an all-in bet on Nvidia's GPUs. Widespread demand created a shortage of Nvidia products and drove the bull run that 6xed the stock from its March 2020 lows.However, over half of that performance was driven by multiple expansion. Nvidia bottomed at 35 P/E in 2020, and now stands at nearly 100. This lofty multiple makes Nvidia look much further ahead of its semiconductor peers than it actually is.To illustrate, Micron - which at a $104B market cap and P/E of 14 has flown comparatively under the radar - actually has more revenue than Nvidia. In the last 12 months, they brought in $27.7B compared to $24.3B from Nvidia. If Nvidia's P/E was applied to Micron, it would have a $713B market cap... just 5.6% smaller than Nvidia's.From a business perspective, there's not much similarity between these two companies besides the fact that they both design semiconductors.Source: StatistaNvidia focuses on GPUs, a product that it invented. It has 83% market share, excluding integrated GPUs where Intel leads. This market share is partially protected by intellectual property.Source: TECHDesignOn the other hand, Micron is a distant third in DRAM market share and only fifth in the crowded NAND space. Unlike Nvidia, Micron manufactures chips in addition to designing them and doesn't seem to have a noteworthy advantage when it comes to intellectual property.DRAM and NAND are two types of memory chips. While GPUs specialize in performing a lot of operations very quickly, memory chips focus on storing a lot of information.Memory chips are used alongside GPUs, and don't compete directly with them. Micron is partnered with Nvidia on a variety of offerings, helping both companies benefit from the same growth trends. In particular, both companies have highlighted AI, 5G, IoT, gaming, industrial, blockchain, the metaverse, and auto as areas that will drive future growth.In the rest of this article, I'll explain why Nvidia's growth rate over the past year may not be sustainable, while Micron's future growth may be even better than it was in the past.Nvidia's Growth TrajectorySource: Seeking AlphaAccording to Seeking Alpha, analysts project a 16-18% revenue and earnings CAGR for Nvidia over the next two years. For comparison, Nvidia is wrapping up a year where it will have grown earnings by about 73%.What's causing the deceleration? One place to look is prior to 2021. Between 2005 and 2020, Nvidia's revenue grew at a CAGR of 12%. Adding 2021's historic growth brings it to 14% CAGR. So analysts are projecting slightly elevated growth relative to historic levels, which I think is reasonable. This level of growth is very impressive, and it was enough for Nvidia to generate strong returns even prior to this year.This growth is also above the industry average. Since 2008, the only large cap semiconductor company with a revenue CAGR above 15% is Broadcom (NASDAQ:AVGO), which only broke this threshold due to acquisitions. Keep in mind that this is during the biggest tech bull run ever.Famous investor Peter Lynch was skeptical of any company growing faster than 20% because of the difficulty of sustaining that growth, and the lack of exceptions to this rule in the semiconductor industry seems to prove him right. (There are plenty of exceptions in software though.)At nearly 100 P/E and growing off of its largest revenue base ever, 2021 will be a difficult act for Nvidia to follow. Nvidia will have to grow significantly faster than 18% per year to justify its valuation relative to peers, since 18% growth would still put its PEG ratio above 5. If Nvidia delivers on its projected growth and trades flat for the next two years, it will have aforwardP/E of 49.It's also worth noting that semiconductor revenue is cyclical, so this isn't the first time that Nvidia has experienced strong growth. In both 2008 and 2018, Nvidia had growth of 34% of higher, but those years were followed by growth of -16% and 21% in the next year.Just to highlight one area where growth doesn't look sustainable, Nvidia benefited from the increasing popularity of cryptocurrency in 2021. Nvidia has stated that it doesn't have visibility into exactly how much demand from crypto impacts revenue, but its products are used to mine cryptocurrency like Bitcoin (BTC-USD).I'm certainly not so bold as to call a top in Bitcoin, but historically it has been the case that the year after a halving has marked the start of a Bitcoin bear market. Additionally, altcoins that use proof of stake (including Ethereum, which will switch to proof of stake in 2022) have been gaining market share on Bitcoin. Proof of stake doesn't need Nvidia's GPUs because it doesn't do as much computation.Micron benefits from cryptocurrency as well, since miners need a lot of power and a lot of memory. But the market's perception seems to be that Nvidia benefits more based on the well publicized GPU shortages related to mining, which could negatively impact Nvidia's stock if Bitcoin crashes. Additionally, Micron would not be as impacted by a switch to proof of stake.Focusing only on cryptocurrency is a disservice to Nvidia's strong growth across the board. Revenue is growing rapidly in every segment:Source: The AuthorThese segments all have enormous potential, and that could let Nvidia continue to grow quickly for years. I'm not ruling out the possibility that Nvidia beats estimates and has positive returns in 2022 or the following years. Over the long term, I have no doubt that they will continue to grow revenue and do very well. I just see better places to deploy capital now, which brings us to Micron.Micron's Growth TrajectoryMicron is no slouch either when it comes to growth. Between 2005 and 2020, their revenue had a 10% CAGR (compared to 12% for Nvidia). According to Micron, memory has been the fastest growing sub-field in semiconductors over the last two decades.Source: Earnings PresentationMicron breaks down its segments a bit differently than Nvidia, but its segments are all growing quickly as well. They highlight many of the same growth drivers as Nvidia. In particular, they saw 80% growth in industrial/IoT this year, and they expect 40-50% CAGR in the auto market over the next three years.Source: Seeking AlphaMicron's fiscal year ends at a different time than Nvidia, so it's difficult to make head-to-head comparisons based on the estimates in the image above. But one easy point to make is that Micron's projected EPS growth in the one year ending August 2022 is 10% higher than Nvidia's projected EPS growth in the two years from January 2022 to January 2024.These are just projections and they're often wrong. But Micron's projected EPS growth is based on just 16% revenue growth, which seems like an attainable target that's only slightly higher than its historic growth rate.Ideally, an investment would be fairly valued based on earnings estimates so that a company doesn't have to wildly exceed expectations to deliver strong returns. I believe that's the case with Micron, since even using its historic 10% CAGR without factoring in this year's projected 46% growth, it has a PEG of just 1.4.Another reason why I believe Micron's growth estimates are attainable is because of where they are in the supply/demand cycle. While Nvidia's revenue is breaking records every quarter, Micron still has less revenue now than it did in 2018. This is an industry-wide issue; revenue for Micron competitor SK Hynix also peaked in 2018.It's not a foregone conclusion that revenue in the memory industry will reach another all-time high. But considering the strong growth trends that underpin the industry and the progress those trends have made since 2018, I think it's reasonable to assume that this will happen at some point.There are a variety of other reasons why Micron's future growth could be steadier and more sustainable than it was in the past:75% of their revenue now comes from long term agreements based on close collaboration with customers. This is up from 10% five years ago.The memory industry has consolidated (anyone remember Sandisk, Inotera, or Elpida?), which should lead to more favorable pricing and less risk of oversupply.The adoption of capital intensive EUV manufacturing technology will make it more difficult for new entrants, especially in China where the tech is unavailable.Micron could get support from the federal government as part of the CHIPS act, which appears to be more focused on manufacturing than design (and thus not as likely to benefit Nvidia).Micron recently started paying a dividend, which indicates management's confidence that their cash flows are sustainable.RisksTo be clear, my thesis is that Micron will outperform Nvidia over the next few years, not that Nvidia's stock will decline. Great companies like Nvidia can trade at elevated multiples for a long time and I have no desire to short Nvidia. Even so, there are a couple reasons why this narrow thesis could fail and Micron could end up underperforming Nvidia.The first is that Micron's moat sources are not as strong as Nvidia's. Micron's market position has improved as a result of the factors mentioned in the previous section. Even so, it's still a relatively small player compared to Samsung despite its market leadership in some verticals like low power DRAM. This could stop Micron from driving innovations through R&D or exercising pricing power. On the other hand, Nvidia invented the GPU, owns substantial intellectual property related to it, and is the largest GPU player with the largest R&D budget.Micron has also benefitted from multiple expansion; a couple years ago it had a forward P/E of just 3. In that respect, Nvidia and Micron have both experienced a similar level of multiple expansion (about 5x). The difference is that Micron's current P/E of 14 is a reasonable multiple for a fast growing cyclical company with high teens revenue growth. Nvidia's current P/E of 93 is a reasonable multiple for a high quality company positioned to grow at 30%+ for years to come, which I doubt Nvidia (or any large cap semiconductor company) can do. Even so, both companies could be vulnerable to multiple contraction in the future. While I believe it's unlikely, Micron could benefit less from changes to its multiple than Nvidia.ConclusionBoth Micron and Nvidia are great companies, but Nvidia is probably a better company in terms of market position and margins. I would be an avid buyer of Nvidia at 40-50 P/E, a level that I admit it may not fall to for a while. 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From a purely business perspective, Nvidia&#39;s capital-light operations and market leadership make it preferable. However, at a 6x cheaper valuation, Micron is the better buy now.IntroductionNvidia&#39;s bull run over the past couple years made it by far the most valuable semiconductor company. In fact, it&#39;s now the 8th most valuable company in the world. Among semiconductor companies, only TSMC (NYSE:TSM) joins it in the top 25. This status has given Nvidia a reputation as the premier &#34;picks and shovels&#34; play of futuristic tech.It&#39;s certainly true that Nvidia isapicks and shovels play. Nvidia&#39;s GPUs - which specialize in highly parallelized computing like graphics - are increasingly important in areas like data centers, cryptocurrency mining, and self-driving cars. Companies like Meta (NASDAQ:FB) are ramping up spending in these fields, which in Meta&#39;s case reportedly includes an all-in bet on Nvidia&#39;s GPUs. Widespread demand created a shortage of Nvidia products and drove the bull run that 6xed the stock from its March 2020 lows.However, over half of that performance was driven by multiple expansion. Nvidia bottomed at 35 P/E in 2020, and now stands at nearly 100. This lofty multiple makes Nvidia look much further ahead of its semiconductor peers than it actually is.To illustrate, Micron - which at a $104B market cap and P/E of 14 has flown comparatively under the radar - actually has more revenue than Nvidia. In the last 12 months, they brought in $27.7B compared to $24.3B from Nvidia. If Nvidia&#39;s P/E was applied to Micron, it would have a $713B market cap... just 5.6% smaller than Nvidia&#39;s.From a business perspective, there&#39;s not much similarity between these two companies besides the fact that they both design semiconductors.<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/200b841ba17e382317f5508778ebf9ff\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"394\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: StatistaNvidia focuses on GPUs, a product that it invented. It has 83% market share, excluding integrated GPUs where Intel leads. This market share is partially protected by intellectual property.<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/d0ecfd56031c9bfeb18ff874dc722363\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"394\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: TECHDesignOn the other hand, Micron is a distant third in DRAM market share and only fifth in the crowded NAND space. Unlike Nvidia, Micron manufactures chips in addition to designing them and doesn&#39;t seem to have a noteworthy advantage when it comes to intellectual property.DRAM and NAND are two types of memory chips. While GPUs specialize in performing a lot of operations very quickly, memory chips focus on storing a lot of information.Memory chips are used alongside GPUs, and don&#39;t compete directly with them. Micron is partnered with Nvidia on a variety of offerings, helping both companies benefit from the same growth trends. In particular, both companies have highlighted AI, 5G, IoT, gaming, industrial, blockchain, the metaverse, and auto as areas that will drive future growth.In the rest of this article, I&#39;ll explain why Nvidia&#39;s growth rate over the past year may not be sustainable, while Micron&#39;s future growth may be even better than it was in the past.Nvidia&#39;s Growth Trajectory<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/74dbfacbd6ae03fb40883b5dfea2bbf8\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"76\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: Seeking AlphaAccording to Seeking Alpha, analysts project a 16-18% revenue and earnings CAGR for Nvidia over the next two years. For comparison, Nvidia is wrapping up a year where it will have grown earnings by about 73%.What&#39;s causing the deceleration? One place to look is prior to 2021. Between 2005 and 2020, Nvidia&#39;s revenue grew at a CAGR of 12%. Adding 2021&#39;s historic growth brings it to 14% CAGR. So analysts are projecting slightly elevated growth relative to historic levels, which I think is reasonable. This level of growth is very impressive, and it was enough for Nvidia to generate strong returns even prior to this year.This growth is also above the industry average. Since 2008, the only large cap semiconductor company with a revenue CAGR above 15% is Broadcom (NASDAQ:AVGO), which only broke this threshold due to acquisitions. Keep in mind that this is during the biggest tech bull run ever.Famous investor Peter Lynch was skeptical of any company growing faster than 20% because of the difficulty of sustaining that growth, and the lack of exceptions to this rule in the semiconductor industry seems to prove him right. (There are plenty of exceptions in software though.)At nearly 100 P/E and growing off of its largest revenue base ever, 2021 will be a difficult act for Nvidia to follow. Nvidia will have to grow significantly faster than 18% per year to justify its valuation relative to peers, since 18% growth would still put its PEG ratio above 5. If Nvidia delivers on its projected growth and trades flat for the next two years, it will have aforwardP/E of 49.It&#39;s also worth noting that semiconductor revenue is cyclical, so this isn&#39;t the first time that Nvidia has experienced strong growth. In both 2008 and 2018, Nvidia had growth of 34% of higher, but those years were followed by growth of -16% and 21% in the next year.Just to highlight one area where growth doesn&#39;t look sustainable, Nvidia benefited from the increasing popularity of cryptocurrency in 2021. Nvidia has stated that it doesn&#39;t have visibility into exactly how much demand from crypto impacts revenue, but its products are used to mine cryptocurrency like Bitcoin (BTC-USD).I&#39;m certainly not so bold as to call a top in Bitcoin, but historically it has been the case that the year after a halving has marked the start of a Bitcoin bear market. Additionally, altcoins that use proof of stake (including Ethereum, which will switch to proof of stake in 2022) have been gaining market share on Bitcoin. Proof of stake doesn&#39;t need Nvidia&#39;s GPUs because it doesn&#39;t do as much computation.Micron benefits from cryptocurrency as well, since miners need a lot of power and a lot of memory. But the market&#39;s perception seems to be that Nvidia benefits more based on the well publicized GPU shortages related to mining, which could negatively impact Nvidia&#39;s stock if Bitcoin crashes. Additionally, Micron would not be as impacted by a switch to proof of stake.Focusing only on cryptocurrency is a disservice to Nvidia&#39;s strong growth across the board. Revenue is growing rapidly in every segment:<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/dcb18bde54e264f60139107ea74aba67\" tg-width=\"945\" tg-height=\"326\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: The AuthorThese segments all have enormous potential, and that could let Nvidia continue to grow quickly for years. I&#39;m not ruling out the possibility that Nvidia beats estimates and has positive returns in 2022 or the following years. Over the long term, I have no doubt that they will continue to grow revenue and do very well. I just see better places to deploy capital now, which brings us to Micron.Micron&#39;s Growth TrajectoryMicron is no slouch either when it comes to growth. Between 2005 and 2020, their revenue had a 10% CAGR (compared to 12% for Nvidia). According to Micron, memory has been the fastest growing sub-field in semiconductors over the last two decades.<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/a2909ab175fa284b1247812cc9312e2d\" tg-width=\"930\" tg-height=\"330\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: Earnings PresentationMicron breaks down its segments a bit differently than Nvidia, but its segments are all growing quickly as well. They highlight many of the same growth drivers as Nvidia. In particular, they saw 80% growth in industrial/IoT this year, and they expect 40-50% CAGR in the auto market over the next three years.<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/1f64ca0b97d8dd38525cee5bd53299cc\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"75\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: Seeking AlphaMicron&#39;s fiscal year ends at a different time than Nvidia, so it&#39;s difficult to make head-to-head comparisons based on the estimates in the image above. But one easy point to make is that Micron&#39;s projected EPS growth in the one year ending August 2022 is 10% higher than Nvidia&#39;s projected EPS growth in the two years from January 2022 to January 2024.These are just projections and they&#39;re often wrong. But Micron&#39;s projected EPS growth is based on just 16% revenue growth, which seems like an attainable target that&#39;s only slightly higher than its historic growth rate.Ideally, an investment would be fairly valued based on earnings estimates so that a company doesn&#39;t have to wildly exceed expectations to deliver strong returns. I believe that&#39;s the case with Micron, since even using its historic 10% CAGR without factoring in this year&#39;s projected 46% growth, it has a PEG of just 1.4.Another reason why I believe Micron&#39;s growth estimates are attainable is because of where they are in the supply/demand cycle. While Nvidia&#39;s revenue is breaking records every quarter, Micron still has less revenue now than it did in 2018. This is an industry-wide issue; revenue for Micron competitor SK Hynix also peaked in 2018.It&#39;s not a foregone conclusion that revenue in the memory industry will reach another all-time high. But considering the strong growth trends that underpin the industry and the progress those trends have made since 2018, I think it&#39;s reasonable to assume that this will happen at some point.There are a variety of other reasons why Micron&#39;s future growth could be steadier and more sustainable than it was in the past:<ul><li>75% of their revenue now comes from long term agreements based on close collaboration with customers. This is up from 10% five years ago.</li><li>The memory industry has consolidated (anyone remember Sandisk, Inotera, or Elpida?), which should lead to more favorable pricing and less risk of oversupply.</li><li>The adoption of capital intensive EUV manufacturing technology will make it more difficult for new entrants, especially in China where the tech is unavailable.</li><li>Micron could get support from the federal government as part of the CHIPS act, which appears to be more focused on manufacturing than design (and thus not as likely to benefit Nvidia).</li><li>Micron recently started paying a dividend, which indicates management&#39;s confidence that their cash flows are sustainable.</li></ul>RisksTo be clear, my thesis is that Micron will outperform Nvidia over the next few years, not that Nvidia&#39;s stock will decline. Great companies like Nvidia can trade at elevated multiples for a long time and I have no desire to short Nvidia. Even so, there are a couple reasons why this narrow thesis could fail and Micron could end up underperforming Nvidia.The first is that Micron&#39;s moat sources are not as strong as Nvidia&#39;s. Micron&#39;s market position has improved as a result of the factors mentioned in the previous section. Even so, it&#39;s still a relatively small player compared to Samsung despite its market leadership in some verticals like low power DRAM. This could stop Micron from driving innovations through R&amp;D or exercising pricing power. On the other hand, Nvidia invented the GPU, owns substantial intellectual property related to it, and is the largest GPU player with the largest R&amp;D budget.Micron has also benefitted from multiple expansion; a couple years ago it had a forward P/E of just 3. In that respect, Nvidia and Micron have both experienced a similar level of multiple expansion (about 5x). The difference is that Micron&#39;s current P/E of 14 is a reasonable multiple for a fast growing cyclical company with high teens revenue growth. Nvidia&#39;s current P/E of 93 is a reasonable multiple for a high quality company positioned to grow at 30%+ for years to come, which I doubt Nvidia (or any large cap semiconductor company) can do. Even so, both companies could be vulnerable to multiple contraction in the future. While I believe it&#39;s unlikely, Micron could benefit less from changes to its multiple than Nvidia.ConclusionBoth Micron and Nvidia are great companies, but Nvidia is probably a better company in terms of market position and margins. I would be an avid buyer of Nvidia at 40-50 P/E, a level that I admit it may not fall to for a while. In the meantime, I&#39;m happy with a large position in Micron, which is an increasingly great company at a fair price.</body></html>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Nvidia's Bull Run May Continue, But Micron Is A Better Pick</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nNvidia's Bull Run May Continue, But Micron Is A Better Pick\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2022-01-05 14:39 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://seekingalpha.com/article/4477940-nvidia-nvda-mu-bull-run-may-continue-micron-better-pick>Seeking Alpha</a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\nSummaryNvidia and Micron are two semiconductor giants, but Nvidia has been a better performer and a more popular stock lately.Although Nvidia's semiconductors are irreplaceable, their past growth rate...\n\n<a href=\"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4477940-nvidia-nvda-mu-bull-run-may-continue-micron-better-pick\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"NVDA":"英伟达","MU":"美光科技"},"source_url":"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4477940-nvidia-nvda-mu-bull-run-may-continue-micron-better-pick","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1155972670","content_text":"SummaryNvidia and Micron are two semiconductor giants, but Nvidia has been a better performer and a more popular stock lately.Although Nvidia's semiconductors are irreplaceable, their past growth rate appears unsustainable.On the other hand, Micron's bull run could just be getting started, and its growth is becoming less cyclical.Jae Young Ju/iStock via Getty ImagesThesisBoth NVIDIA (NASDAQ:NVDA) and Micron (NASDAQ:MU) are semiconductor giants benefiting from strong growth trends in data centers, self-driving cars, and other high tech fields. From a purely business perspective, Nvidia's capital-light operations and market leadership make it preferable. However, at a 6x cheaper valuation, Micron is the better buy now.IntroductionNvidia's bull run over the past couple years made it by far the most valuable semiconductor company. In fact, it's now the 8th most valuable company in the world. Among semiconductor companies, only TSMC (NYSE:TSM) joins it in the top 25. This status has given Nvidia a reputation as the premier \"picks and shovels\" play of futuristic tech.It's certainly true that Nvidia isapicks and shovels play. Nvidia's GPUs - which specialize in highly parallelized computing like graphics - are increasingly important in areas like data centers, cryptocurrency mining, and self-driving cars. Companies like Meta (NASDAQ:FB) are ramping up spending in these fields, which in Meta's case reportedly includes an all-in bet on Nvidia's GPUs. Widespread demand created a shortage of Nvidia products and drove the bull run that 6xed the stock from its March 2020 lows.However, over half of that performance was driven by multiple expansion. Nvidia bottomed at 35 P/E in 2020, and now stands at nearly 100. This lofty multiple makes Nvidia look much further ahead of its semiconductor peers than it actually is.To illustrate, Micron - which at a $104B market cap and P/E of 14 has flown comparatively under the radar - actually has more revenue than Nvidia. In the last 12 months, they brought in $27.7B compared to $24.3B from Nvidia. If Nvidia's P/E was applied to Micron, it would have a $713B market cap... just 5.6% smaller than Nvidia's.From a business perspective, there's not much similarity between these two companies besides the fact that they both design semiconductors.Source: StatistaNvidia focuses on GPUs, a product that it invented. It has 83% market share, excluding integrated GPUs where Intel leads. This market share is partially protected by intellectual property.Source: TECHDesignOn the other hand, Micron is a distant third in DRAM market share and only fifth in the crowded NAND space. Unlike Nvidia, Micron manufactures chips in addition to designing them and doesn't seem to have a noteworthy advantage when it comes to intellectual property.DRAM and NAND are two types of memory chips. While GPUs specialize in performing a lot of operations very quickly, memory chips focus on storing a lot of information.Memory chips are used alongside GPUs, and don't compete directly with them. Micron is partnered with Nvidia on a variety of offerings, helping both companies benefit from the same growth trends. In particular, both companies have highlighted AI, 5G, IoT, gaming, industrial, blockchain, the metaverse, and auto as areas that will drive future growth.In the rest of this article, I'll explain why Nvidia's growth rate over the past year may not be sustainable, while Micron's future growth may be even better than it was in the past.Nvidia's Growth TrajectorySource: Seeking AlphaAccording to Seeking Alpha, analysts project a 16-18% revenue and earnings CAGR for Nvidia over the next two years. For comparison, Nvidia is wrapping up a year where it will have grown earnings by about 73%.What's causing the deceleration? One place to look is prior to 2021. Between 2005 and 2020, Nvidia's revenue grew at a CAGR of 12%. Adding 2021's historic growth brings it to 14% CAGR. So analysts are projecting slightly elevated growth relative to historic levels, which I think is reasonable. This level of growth is very impressive, and it was enough for Nvidia to generate strong returns even prior to this year.This growth is also above the industry average. Since 2008, the only large cap semiconductor company with a revenue CAGR above 15% is Broadcom (NASDAQ:AVGO), which only broke this threshold due to acquisitions. Keep in mind that this is during the biggest tech bull run ever.Famous investor Peter Lynch was skeptical of any company growing faster than 20% because of the difficulty of sustaining that growth, and the lack of exceptions to this rule in the semiconductor industry seems to prove him right. (There are plenty of exceptions in software though.)At nearly 100 P/E and growing off of its largest revenue base ever, 2021 will be a difficult act for Nvidia to follow. Nvidia will have to grow significantly faster than 18% per year to justify its valuation relative to peers, since 18% growth would still put its PEG ratio above 5. If Nvidia delivers on its projected growth and trades flat for the next two years, it will have aforwardP/E of 49.It's also worth noting that semiconductor revenue is cyclical, so this isn't the first time that Nvidia has experienced strong growth. In both 2008 and 2018, Nvidia had growth of 34% of higher, but those years were followed by growth of -16% and 21% in the next year.Just to highlight one area where growth doesn't look sustainable, Nvidia benefited from the increasing popularity of cryptocurrency in 2021. Nvidia has stated that it doesn't have visibility into exactly how much demand from crypto impacts revenue, but its products are used to mine cryptocurrency like Bitcoin (BTC-USD).I'm certainly not so bold as to call a top in Bitcoin, but historically it has been the case that the year after a halving has marked the start of a Bitcoin bear market. Additionally, altcoins that use proof of stake (including Ethereum, which will switch to proof of stake in 2022) have been gaining market share on Bitcoin. Proof of stake doesn't need Nvidia's GPUs because it doesn't do as much computation.Micron benefits from cryptocurrency as well, since miners need a lot of power and a lot of memory. But the market's perception seems to be that Nvidia benefits more based on the well publicized GPU shortages related to mining, which could negatively impact Nvidia's stock if Bitcoin crashes. Additionally, Micron would not be as impacted by a switch to proof of stake.Focusing only on cryptocurrency is a disservice to Nvidia's strong growth across the board. Revenue is growing rapidly in every segment:Source: The AuthorThese segments all have enormous potential, and that could let Nvidia continue to grow quickly for years. I'm not ruling out the possibility that Nvidia beats estimates and has positive returns in 2022 or the following years. Over the long term, I have no doubt that they will continue to grow revenue and do very well. I just see better places to deploy capital now, which brings us to Micron.Micron's Growth TrajectoryMicron is no slouch either when it comes to growth. Between 2005 and 2020, their revenue had a 10% CAGR (compared to 12% for Nvidia). According to Micron, memory has been the fastest growing sub-field in semiconductors over the last two decades.Source: Earnings PresentationMicron breaks down its segments a bit differently than Nvidia, but its segments are all growing quickly as well. They highlight many of the same growth drivers as Nvidia. In particular, they saw 80% growth in industrial/IoT this year, and they expect 40-50% CAGR in the auto market over the next three years.Source: Seeking AlphaMicron's fiscal year ends at a different time than Nvidia, so it's difficult to make head-to-head comparisons based on the estimates in the image above. But one easy point to make is that Micron's projected EPS growth in the one year ending August 2022 is 10% higher than Nvidia's projected EPS growth in the two years from January 2022 to January 2024.These are just projections and they're often wrong. But Micron's projected EPS growth is based on just 16% revenue growth, which seems like an attainable target that's only slightly higher than its historic growth rate.Ideally, an investment would be fairly valued based on earnings estimates so that a company doesn't have to wildly exceed expectations to deliver strong returns. I believe that's the case with Micron, since even using its historic 10% CAGR without factoring in this year's projected 46% growth, it has a PEG of just 1.4.Another reason why I believe Micron's growth estimates are attainable is because of where they are in the supply/demand cycle. While Nvidia's revenue is breaking records every quarter, Micron still has less revenue now than it did in 2018. This is an industry-wide issue; revenue for Micron competitor SK Hynix also peaked in 2018.It's not a foregone conclusion that revenue in the memory industry will reach another all-time high. But considering the strong growth trends that underpin the industry and the progress those trends have made since 2018, I think it's reasonable to assume that this will happen at some point.There are a variety of other reasons why Micron's future growth could be steadier and more sustainable than it was in the past:75% of their revenue now comes from long term agreements based on close collaboration with customers. This is up from 10% five years ago.The memory industry has consolidated (anyone remember Sandisk, Inotera, or Elpida?), which should lead to more favorable pricing and less risk of oversupply.The adoption of capital intensive EUV manufacturing technology will make it more difficult for new entrants, especially in China where the tech is unavailable.Micron could get support from the federal government as part of the CHIPS act, which appears to be more focused on manufacturing than design (and thus not as likely to benefit Nvidia).Micron recently started paying a dividend, which indicates management's confidence that their cash flows are sustainable.RisksTo be clear, my thesis is that Micron will outperform Nvidia over the next few years, not that Nvidia's stock will decline. Great companies like Nvidia can trade at elevated multiples for a long time and I have no desire to short Nvidia. Even so, there are a couple reasons why this narrow thesis could fail and Micron could end up underperforming Nvidia.The first is that Micron's moat sources are not as strong as Nvidia's. Micron's market position has improved as a result of the factors mentioned in the previous section. Even so, it's still a relatively small player compared to Samsung despite its market leadership in some verticals like low power DRAM. This could stop Micron from driving innovations through R&D or exercising pricing power. On the other hand, Nvidia invented the GPU, owns substantial intellectual property related to it, and is the largest GPU player with the largest R&D budget.Micron has also benefitted from multiple expansion; a couple years ago it had a forward P/E of just 3. In that respect, Nvidia and Micron have both experienced a similar level of multiple expansion (about 5x). The difference is that Micron's current P/E of 14 is a reasonable multiple for a fast growing cyclical company with high teens revenue growth. Nvidia's current P/E of 93 is a reasonable multiple for a high quality company positioned to grow at 30%+ for years to come, which I doubt Nvidia (or any large cap semiconductor company) can do. Even so, both companies could be vulnerable to multiple contraction in the future. While I believe it's unlikely, Micron could benefit less from changes to its multiple than Nvidia.ConclusionBoth Micron and Nvidia are great companies, but Nvidia is probably a better company in terms of market position and margins. I would be an avid buyer of Nvidia at 40-50 P/E, a level that I admit it may not fall to for a while. 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From a purely business perspective, Nvidia&#39;s capital-light operations and market leadership make it preferable. However, at a 6x cheaper valuation, Micron is the better buy now.IntroductionNvidia&#39;s bull run over the past couple years made it by far the most valuable semiconductor company. In fact, it&#39;s now the 8th most valuable company in the world. Among semiconductor companies, only TSMC (NYSE:TSM) joins it in the top 25. This status has given Nvidia a reputation as the premier &#34;picks and shovels&#34; play of futuristic tech.It&#39;s certainly true that Nvidia isapicks and shovels play. Nvidia&#39;s GPUs - which specialize in highly parallelized computing like graphics - are increasingly important in areas like data centers, cryptocurrency mining, and self-driving cars. Companies like Meta (NASDAQ:FB) are ramping up spending in these fields, which in Meta&#39;s case reportedly includes an all-in bet on Nvidia&#39;s GPUs. Widespread demand created a shortage of Nvidia products and drove the bull run that 6xed the stock from its March 2020 lows.However, over half of that performance was driven by multiple expansion. Nvidia bottomed at 35 P/E in 2020, and now stands at nearly 100. This lofty multiple makes Nvidia look much further ahead of its semiconductor peers than it actually is.To illustrate, Micron - which at a $104B market cap and P/E of 14 has flown comparatively under the radar - actually has more revenue than Nvidia. In the last 12 months, they brought in $27.7B compared to $24.3B from Nvidia. If Nvidia&#39;s P/E was applied to Micron, it would have a $713B market cap... just 5.6% smaller than Nvidia&#39;s.From a business perspective, there&#39;s not much similarity between these two companies besides the fact that they both design semiconductors.<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/200b841ba17e382317f5508778ebf9ff\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"394\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: StatistaNvidia focuses on GPUs, a product that it invented. It has 83% market share, excluding integrated GPUs where Intel leads. This market share is partially protected by intellectual property.<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/d0ecfd56031c9bfeb18ff874dc722363\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"394\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: TECHDesignOn the other hand, Micron is a distant third in DRAM market share and only fifth in the crowded NAND space. Unlike Nvidia, Micron manufactures chips in addition to designing them and doesn&#39;t seem to have a noteworthy advantage when it comes to intellectual property.DRAM and NAND are two types of memory chips. While GPUs specialize in performing a lot of operations very quickly, memory chips focus on storing a lot of information.Memory chips are used alongside GPUs, and don&#39;t compete directly with them. Micron is partnered with Nvidia on a variety of offerings, helping both companies benefit from the same growth trends. In particular, both companies have highlighted AI, 5G, IoT, gaming, industrial, blockchain, the metaverse, and auto as areas that will drive future growth.In the rest of this article, I&#39;ll explain why Nvidia&#39;s growth rate over the past year may not be sustainable, while Micron&#39;s future growth may be even better than it was in the past.Nvidia&#39;s Growth Trajectory<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/74dbfacbd6ae03fb40883b5dfea2bbf8\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"76\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: Seeking AlphaAccording to Seeking Alpha, analysts project a 16-18% revenue and earnings CAGR for Nvidia over the next two years. For comparison, Nvidia is wrapping up a year where it will have grown earnings by about 73%.What&#39;s causing the deceleration? One place to look is prior to 2021. Between 2005 and 2020, Nvidia&#39;s revenue grew at a CAGR of 12%. Adding 2021&#39;s historic growth brings it to 14% CAGR. So analysts are projecting slightly elevated growth relative to historic levels, which I think is reasonable. This level of growth is very impressive, and it was enough for Nvidia to generate strong returns even prior to this year.This growth is also above the industry average. Since 2008, the only large cap semiconductor company with a revenue CAGR above 15% is Broadcom (NASDAQ:AVGO), which only broke this threshold due to acquisitions. Keep in mind that this is during the biggest tech bull run ever.Famous investor Peter Lynch was skeptical of any company growing faster than 20% because of the difficulty of sustaining that growth, and the lack of exceptions to this rule in the semiconductor industry seems to prove him right. (There are plenty of exceptions in software though.)At nearly 100 P/E and growing off of its largest revenue base ever, 2021 will be a difficult act for Nvidia to follow. Nvidia will have to grow significantly faster than 18% per year to justify its valuation relative to peers, since 18% growth would still put its PEG ratio above 5. If Nvidia delivers on its projected growth and trades flat for the next two years, it will have aforwardP/E of 49.It&#39;s also worth noting that semiconductor revenue is cyclical, so this isn&#39;t the first time that Nvidia has experienced strong growth. In both 2008 and 2018, Nvidia had growth of 34% of higher, but those years were followed by growth of -16% and 21% in the next year.Just to highlight one area where growth doesn&#39;t look sustainable, Nvidia benefited from the increasing popularity of cryptocurrency in 2021. Nvidia has stated that it doesn&#39;t have visibility into exactly how much demand from crypto impacts revenue, but its products are used to mine cryptocurrency like Bitcoin (BTC-USD).I&#39;m certainly not so bold as to call a top in Bitcoin, but historically it has been the case that the year after a halving has marked the start of a Bitcoin bear market. Additionally, altcoins that use proof of stake (including Ethereum, which will switch to proof of stake in 2022) have been gaining market share on Bitcoin. Proof of stake doesn&#39;t need Nvidia&#39;s GPUs because it doesn&#39;t do as much computation.Micron benefits from cryptocurrency as well, since miners need a lot of power and a lot of memory. But the market&#39;s perception seems to be that Nvidia benefits more based on the well publicized GPU shortages related to mining, which could negatively impact Nvidia&#39;s stock if Bitcoin crashes. Additionally, Micron would not be as impacted by a switch to proof of stake.Focusing only on cryptocurrency is a disservice to Nvidia&#39;s strong growth across the board. Revenue is growing rapidly in every segment:<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/dcb18bde54e264f60139107ea74aba67\" tg-width=\"945\" tg-height=\"326\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: The AuthorThese segments all have enormous potential, and that could let Nvidia continue to grow quickly for years. I&#39;m not ruling out the possibility that Nvidia beats estimates and has positive returns in 2022 or the following years. Over the long term, I have no doubt that they will continue to grow revenue and do very well. I just see better places to deploy capital now, which brings us to Micron.Micron&#39;s Growth TrajectoryMicron is no slouch either when it comes to growth. Between 2005 and 2020, their revenue had a 10% CAGR (compared to 12% for Nvidia). According to Micron, memory has been the fastest growing sub-field in semiconductors over the last two decades.<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/a2909ab175fa284b1247812cc9312e2d\" tg-width=\"930\" tg-height=\"330\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: Earnings PresentationMicron breaks down its segments a bit differently than Nvidia, but its segments are all growing quickly as well. They highlight many of the same growth drivers as Nvidia. In particular, they saw 80% growth in industrial/IoT this year, and they expect 40-50% CAGR in the auto market over the next three years.<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/1f64ca0b97d8dd38525cee5bd53299cc\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"75\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: Seeking AlphaMicron&#39;s fiscal year ends at a different time than Nvidia, so it&#39;s difficult to make head-to-head comparisons based on the estimates in the image above. But one easy point to make is that Micron&#39;s projected EPS growth in the one year ending August 2022 is 10% higher than Nvidia&#39;s projected EPS growth in the two years from January 2022 to January 2024.These are just projections and they&#39;re often wrong. But Micron&#39;s projected EPS growth is based on just 16% revenue growth, which seems like an attainable target that&#39;s only slightly higher than its historic growth rate.Ideally, an investment would be fairly valued based on earnings estimates so that a company doesn&#39;t have to wildly exceed expectations to deliver strong returns. I believe that&#39;s the case with Micron, since even using its historic 10% CAGR without factoring in this year&#39;s projected 46% growth, it has a PEG of just 1.4.Another reason why I believe Micron&#39;s growth estimates are attainable is because of where they are in the supply/demand cycle. While Nvidia&#39;s revenue is breaking records every quarter, Micron still has less revenue now than it did in 2018. This is an industry-wide issue; revenue for Micron competitor SK Hynix also peaked in 2018.It&#39;s not a foregone conclusion that revenue in the memory industry will reach another all-time high. But considering the strong growth trends that underpin the industry and the progress those trends have made since 2018, I think it&#39;s reasonable to assume that this will happen at some point.There are a variety of other reasons why Micron&#39;s future growth could be steadier and more sustainable than it was in the past:<ul><li>75% of their revenue now comes from long term agreements based on close collaboration with customers. This is up from 10% five years ago.</li><li>The memory industry has consolidated (anyone remember Sandisk, Inotera, or Elpida?), which should lead to more favorable pricing and less risk of oversupply.</li><li>The adoption of capital intensive EUV manufacturing technology will make it more difficult for new entrants, especially in China where the tech is unavailable.</li><li>Micron could get support from the federal government as part of the CHIPS act, which appears to be more focused on manufacturing than design (and thus not as likely to benefit Nvidia).</li><li>Micron recently started paying a dividend, which indicates management&#39;s confidence that their cash flows are sustainable.</li></ul>RisksTo be clear, my thesis is that Micron will outperform Nvidia over the next few years, not that Nvidia&#39;s stock will decline. Great companies like Nvidia can trade at elevated multiples for a long time and I have no desire to short Nvidia. Even so, there are a couple reasons why this narrow thesis could fail and Micron could end up underperforming Nvidia.The first is that Micron&#39;s moat sources are not as strong as Nvidia&#39;s. Micron&#39;s market position has improved as a result of the factors mentioned in the previous section. Even so, it&#39;s still a relatively small player compared to Samsung despite its market leadership in some verticals like low power DRAM. This could stop Micron from driving innovations through R&amp;D or exercising pricing power. On the other hand, Nvidia invented the GPU, owns substantial intellectual property related to it, and is the largest GPU player with the largest R&amp;D budget.Micron has also benefitted from multiple expansion; a couple years ago it had a forward P/E of just 3. In that respect, Nvidia and Micron have both experienced a similar level of multiple expansion (about 5x). The difference is that Micron&#39;s current P/E of 14 is a reasonable multiple for a fast growing cyclical company with high teens revenue growth. Nvidia&#39;s current P/E of 93 is a reasonable multiple for a high quality company positioned to grow at 30%+ for years to come, which I doubt Nvidia (or any large cap semiconductor company) can do. Even so, both companies could be vulnerable to multiple contraction in the future. While I believe it&#39;s unlikely, Micron could benefit less from changes to its multiple than Nvidia.ConclusionBoth Micron and Nvidia are great companies, but Nvidia is probably a better company in terms of market position and margins. I would be an avid buyer of Nvidia at 40-50 P/E, a level that I admit it may not fall to for a while. In the meantime, I&#39;m happy with a large position in Micron, which is an increasingly great company at a fair price.</body></html>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Nvidia's Bull Run May Continue, But Micron Is A Better Pick</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nNvidia's Bull Run May Continue, But Micron Is A Better Pick\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2022-01-05 14:39 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://seekingalpha.com/article/4477940-nvidia-nvda-mu-bull-run-may-continue-micron-better-pick>Seeking Alpha</a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\nSummaryNvidia and Micron are two semiconductor giants, but Nvidia has been a better performer and a more popular stock lately.Although Nvidia's semiconductors are irreplaceable, their past growth rate...\n\n<a href=\"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4477940-nvidia-nvda-mu-bull-run-may-continue-micron-better-pick\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"NVDA":"英伟达","MU":"美光科技"},"source_url":"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4477940-nvidia-nvda-mu-bull-run-may-continue-micron-better-pick","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1155972670","content_text":"SummaryNvidia and Micron are two semiconductor giants, but Nvidia has been a better performer and a more popular stock lately.Although Nvidia's semiconductors are irreplaceable, their past growth rate appears unsustainable.On the other hand, Micron's bull run could just be getting started, and its growth is becoming less cyclical.Jae Young Ju/iStock via Getty ImagesThesisBoth NVIDIA (NASDAQ:NVDA) and Micron (NASDAQ:MU) are semiconductor giants benefiting from strong growth trends in data centers, self-driving cars, and other high tech fields. From a purely business perspective, Nvidia's capital-light operations and market leadership make it preferable. However, at a 6x cheaper valuation, Micron is the better buy now.IntroductionNvidia's bull run over the past couple years made it by far the most valuable semiconductor company. In fact, it's now the 8th most valuable company in the world. Among semiconductor companies, only TSMC (NYSE:TSM) joins it in the top 25. This status has given Nvidia a reputation as the premier \"picks and shovels\" play of futuristic tech.It's certainly true that Nvidia isapicks and shovels play. Nvidia's GPUs - which specialize in highly parallelized computing like graphics - are increasingly important in areas like data centers, cryptocurrency mining, and self-driving cars. Companies like Meta (NASDAQ:FB) are ramping up spending in these fields, which in Meta's case reportedly includes an all-in bet on Nvidia's GPUs. Widespread demand created a shortage of Nvidia products and drove the bull run that 6xed the stock from its March 2020 lows.However, over half of that performance was driven by multiple expansion. Nvidia bottomed at 35 P/E in 2020, and now stands at nearly 100. This lofty multiple makes Nvidia look much further ahead of its semiconductor peers than it actually is.To illustrate, Micron - which at a $104B market cap and P/E of 14 has flown comparatively under the radar - actually has more revenue than Nvidia. In the last 12 months, they brought in $27.7B compared to $24.3B from Nvidia. If Nvidia's P/E was applied to Micron, it would have a $713B market cap... just 5.6% smaller than Nvidia's.From a business perspective, there's not much similarity between these two companies besides the fact that they both design semiconductors.Source: StatistaNvidia focuses on GPUs, a product that it invented. It has 83% market share, excluding integrated GPUs where Intel leads. This market share is partially protected by intellectual property.Source: TECHDesignOn the other hand, Micron is a distant third in DRAM market share and only fifth in the crowded NAND space. Unlike Nvidia, Micron manufactures chips in addition to designing them and doesn't seem to have a noteworthy advantage when it comes to intellectual property.DRAM and NAND are two types of memory chips. While GPUs specialize in performing a lot of operations very quickly, memory chips focus on storing a lot of information.Memory chips are used alongside GPUs, and don't compete directly with them. Micron is partnered with Nvidia on a variety of offerings, helping both companies benefit from the same growth trends. In particular, both companies have highlighted AI, 5G, IoT, gaming, industrial, blockchain, the metaverse, and auto as areas that will drive future growth.In the rest of this article, I'll explain why Nvidia's growth rate over the past year may not be sustainable, while Micron's future growth may be even better than it was in the past.Nvidia's Growth TrajectorySource: Seeking AlphaAccording to Seeking Alpha, analysts project a 16-18% revenue and earnings CAGR for Nvidia over the next two years. For comparison, Nvidia is wrapping up a year where it will have grown earnings by about 73%.What's causing the deceleration? One place to look is prior to 2021. Between 2005 and 2020, Nvidia's revenue grew at a CAGR of 12%. Adding 2021's historic growth brings it to 14% CAGR. So analysts are projecting slightly elevated growth relative to historic levels, which I think is reasonable. This level of growth is very impressive, and it was enough for Nvidia to generate strong returns even prior to this year.This growth is also above the industry average. Since 2008, the only large cap semiconductor company with a revenue CAGR above 15% is Broadcom (NASDAQ:AVGO), which only broke this threshold due to acquisitions. Keep in mind that this is during the biggest tech bull run ever.Famous investor Peter Lynch was skeptical of any company growing faster than 20% because of the difficulty of sustaining that growth, and the lack of exceptions to this rule in the semiconductor industry seems to prove him right. (There are plenty of exceptions in software though.)At nearly 100 P/E and growing off of its largest revenue base ever, 2021 will be a difficult act for Nvidia to follow. Nvidia will have to grow significantly faster than 18% per year to justify its valuation relative to peers, since 18% growth would still put its PEG ratio above 5. If Nvidia delivers on its projected growth and trades flat for the next two years, it will have aforwardP/E of 49.It's also worth noting that semiconductor revenue is cyclical, so this isn't the first time that Nvidia has experienced strong growth. In both 2008 and 2018, Nvidia had growth of 34% of higher, but those years were followed by growth of -16% and 21% in the next year.Just to highlight one area where growth doesn't look sustainable, Nvidia benefited from the increasing popularity of cryptocurrency in 2021. Nvidia has stated that it doesn't have visibility into exactly how much demand from crypto impacts revenue, but its products are used to mine cryptocurrency like Bitcoin (BTC-USD).I'm certainly not so bold as to call a top in Bitcoin, but historically it has been the case that the year after a halving has marked the start of a Bitcoin bear market. Additionally, altcoins that use proof of stake (including Ethereum, which will switch to proof of stake in 2022) have been gaining market share on Bitcoin. Proof of stake doesn't need Nvidia's GPUs because it doesn't do as much computation.Micron benefits from cryptocurrency as well, since miners need a lot of power and a lot of memory. But the market's perception seems to be that Nvidia benefits more based on the well publicized GPU shortages related to mining, which could negatively impact Nvidia's stock if Bitcoin crashes. Additionally, Micron would not be as impacted by a switch to proof of stake.Focusing only on cryptocurrency is a disservice to Nvidia's strong growth across the board. Revenue is growing rapidly in every segment:Source: The AuthorThese segments all have enormous potential, and that could let Nvidia continue to grow quickly for years. I'm not ruling out the possibility that Nvidia beats estimates and has positive returns in 2022 or the following years. Over the long term, I have no doubt that they will continue to grow revenue and do very well. I just see better places to deploy capital now, which brings us to Micron.Micron's Growth TrajectoryMicron is no slouch either when it comes to growth. Between 2005 and 2020, their revenue had a 10% CAGR (compared to 12% for Nvidia). According to Micron, memory has been the fastest growing sub-field in semiconductors over the last two decades.Source: Earnings PresentationMicron breaks down its segments a bit differently than Nvidia, but its segments are all growing quickly as well. They highlight many of the same growth drivers as Nvidia. In particular, they saw 80% growth in industrial/IoT this year, and they expect 40-50% CAGR in the auto market over the next three years.Source: Seeking AlphaMicron's fiscal year ends at a different time than Nvidia, so it's difficult to make head-to-head comparisons based on the estimates in the image above. But one easy point to make is that Micron's projected EPS growth in the one year ending August 2022 is 10% higher than Nvidia's projected EPS growth in the two years from January 2022 to January 2024.These are just projections and they're often wrong. But Micron's projected EPS growth is based on just 16% revenue growth, which seems like an attainable target that's only slightly higher than its historic growth rate.Ideally, an investment would be fairly valued based on earnings estimates so that a company doesn't have to wildly exceed expectations to deliver strong returns. I believe that's the case with Micron, since even using its historic 10% CAGR without factoring in this year's projected 46% growth, it has a PEG of just 1.4.Another reason why I believe Micron's growth estimates are attainable is because of where they are in the supply/demand cycle. While Nvidia's revenue is breaking records every quarter, Micron still has less revenue now than it did in 2018. This is an industry-wide issue; revenue for Micron competitor SK Hynix also peaked in 2018.It's not a foregone conclusion that revenue in the memory industry will reach another all-time high. But considering the strong growth trends that underpin the industry and the progress those trends have made since 2018, I think it's reasonable to assume that this will happen at some point.There are a variety of other reasons why Micron's future growth could be steadier and more sustainable than it was in the past:75% of their revenue now comes from long term agreements based on close collaboration with customers. This is up from 10% five years ago.The memory industry has consolidated (anyone remember Sandisk, Inotera, or Elpida?), which should lead to more favorable pricing and less risk of oversupply.The adoption of capital intensive EUV manufacturing technology will make it more difficult for new entrants, especially in China where the tech is unavailable.Micron could get support from the federal government as part of the CHIPS act, which appears to be more focused on manufacturing than design (and thus not as likely to benefit Nvidia).Micron recently started paying a dividend, which indicates management's confidence that their cash flows are sustainable.RisksTo be clear, my thesis is that Micron will outperform Nvidia over the next few years, not that Nvidia's stock will decline. Great companies like Nvidia can trade at elevated multiples for a long time and I have no desire to short Nvidia. Even so, there are a couple reasons why this narrow thesis could fail and Micron could end up underperforming Nvidia.The first is that Micron's moat sources are not as strong as Nvidia's. Micron's market position has improved as a result of the factors mentioned in the previous section. Even so, it's still a relatively small player compared to Samsung despite its market leadership in some verticals like low power DRAM. This could stop Micron from driving innovations through R&D or exercising pricing power. On the other hand, Nvidia invented the GPU, owns substantial intellectual property related to it, and is the largest GPU player with the largest R&D budget.Micron has also benefitted from multiple expansion; a couple years ago it had a forward P/E of just 3. In that respect, Nvidia and Micron have both experienced a similar level of multiple expansion (about 5x). The difference is that Micron's current P/E of 14 is a reasonable multiple for a fast growing cyclical company with high teens revenue growth. Nvidia's current P/E of 93 is a reasonable multiple for a high quality company positioned to grow at 30%+ for years to come, which I doubt Nvidia (or any large cap semiconductor company) can do. Even so, both companies could be vulnerable to multiple contraction in the future. While I believe it's unlikely, Micron could benefit less from changes to its multiple than Nvidia.ConclusionBoth Micron and Nvidia are great companies, but Nvidia is probably a better company in terms of market position and margins. I would be an avid buyer of Nvidia at 40-50 P/E, a level that I admit it may not fall to for a while. 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From a purely business perspective, Nvidia&#39;s capital-light operations and market leadership make it preferable. However, at a 6x cheaper valuation, Micron is the better buy now.IntroductionNvidia&#39;s bull run over the past couple years made it by far the most valuable semiconductor company. In fact, it&#39;s now the 8th most valuable company in the world. Among semiconductor companies, only TSMC (NYSE:TSM) joins it in the top 25. This status has given Nvidia a reputation as the premier &#34;picks and shovels&#34; play of futuristic tech.It&#39;s certainly true that Nvidia isapicks and shovels play. Nvidia&#39;s GPUs - which specialize in highly parallelized computing like graphics - are increasingly important in areas like data centers, cryptocurrency mining, and self-driving cars. Companies like Meta (NASDAQ:FB) are ramping up spending in these fields, which in Meta&#39;s case reportedly includes an all-in bet on Nvidia&#39;s GPUs. Widespread demand created a shortage of Nvidia products and drove the bull run that 6xed the stock from its March 2020 lows.However, over half of that performance was driven by multiple expansion. Nvidia bottomed at 35 P/E in 2020, and now stands at nearly 100. This lofty multiple makes Nvidia look much further ahead of its semiconductor peers than it actually is.To illustrate, Micron - which at a $104B market cap and P/E of 14 has flown comparatively under the radar - actually has more revenue than Nvidia. In the last 12 months, they brought in $27.7B compared to $24.3B from Nvidia. If Nvidia&#39;s P/E was applied to Micron, it would have a $713B market cap... just 5.6% smaller than Nvidia&#39;s.From a business perspective, there&#39;s not much similarity between these two companies besides the fact that they both design semiconductors.<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/200b841ba17e382317f5508778ebf9ff\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"394\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: StatistaNvidia focuses on GPUs, a product that it invented. It has 83% market share, excluding integrated GPUs where Intel leads. This market share is partially protected by intellectual property.<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/d0ecfd56031c9bfeb18ff874dc722363\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"394\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: TECHDesignOn the other hand, Micron is a distant third in DRAM market share and only fifth in the crowded NAND space. Unlike Nvidia, Micron manufactures chips in addition to designing them and doesn&#39;t seem to have a noteworthy advantage when it comes to intellectual property.DRAM and NAND are two types of memory chips. While GPUs specialize in performing a lot of operations very quickly, memory chips focus on storing a lot of information.Memory chips are used alongside GPUs, and don&#39;t compete directly with them. Micron is partnered with Nvidia on a variety of offerings, helping both companies benefit from the same growth trends. In particular, both companies have highlighted AI, 5G, IoT, gaming, industrial, blockchain, the metaverse, and auto as areas that will drive future growth.In the rest of this article, I&#39;ll explain why Nvidia&#39;s growth rate over the past year may not be sustainable, while Micron&#39;s future growth may be even better than it was in the past.Nvidia&#39;s Growth Trajectory<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/74dbfacbd6ae03fb40883b5dfea2bbf8\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"76\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: Seeking AlphaAccording to Seeking Alpha, analysts project a 16-18% revenue and earnings CAGR for Nvidia over the next two years. For comparison, Nvidia is wrapping up a year where it will have grown earnings by about 73%.What&#39;s causing the deceleration? One place to look is prior to 2021. Between 2005 and 2020, Nvidia&#39;s revenue grew at a CAGR of 12%. Adding 2021&#39;s historic growth brings it to 14% CAGR. So analysts are projecting slightly elevated growth relative to historic levels, which I think is reasonable. This level of growth is very impressive, and it was enough for Nvidia to generate strong returns even prior to this year.This growth is also above the industry average. Since 2008, the only large cap semiconductor company with a revenue CAGR above 15% is Broadcom (NASDAQ:AVGO), which only broke this threshold due to acquisitions. Keep in mind that this is during the biggest tech bull run ever.Famous investor Peter Lynch was skeptical of any company growing faster than 20% because of the difficulty of sustaining that growth, and the lack of exceptions to this rule in the semiconductor industry seems to prove him right. (There are plenty of exceptions in software though.)At nearly 100 P/E and growing off of its largest revenue base ever, 2021 will be a difficult act for Nvidia to follow. Nvidia will have to grow significantly faster than 18% per year to justify its valuation relative to peers, since 18% growth would still put its PEG ratio above 5. If Nvidia delivers on its projected growth and trades flat for the next two years, it will have aforwardP/E of 49.It&#39;s also worth noting that semiconductor revenue is cyclical, so this isn&#39;t the first time that Nvidia has experienced strong growth. In both 2008 and 2018, Nvidia had growth of 34% of higher, but those years were followed by growth of -16% and 21% in the next year.Just to highlight one area where growth doesn&#39;t look sustainable, Nvidia benefited from the increasing popularity of cryptocurrency in 2021. Nvidia has stated that it doesn&#39;t have visibility into exactly how much demand from crypto impacts revenue, but its products are used to mine cryptocurrency like Bitcoin (BTC-USD).I&#39;m certainly not so bold as to call a top in Bitcoin, but historically it has been the case that the year after a halving has marked the start of a Bitcoin bear market. Additionally, altcoins that use proof of stake (including Ethereum, which will switch to proof of stake in 2022) have been gaining market share on Bitcoin. Proof of stake doesn&#39;t need Nvidia&#39;s GPUs because it doesn&#39;t do as much computation.Micron benefits from cryptocurrency as well, since miners need a lot of power and a lot of memory. But the market&#39;s perception seems to be that Nvidia benefits more based on the well publicized GPU shortages related to mining, which could negatively impact Nvidia&#39;s stock if Bitcoin crashes. Additionally, Micron would not be as impacted by a switch to proof of stake.Focusing only on cryptocurrency is a disservice to Nvidia&#39;s strong growth across the board. Revenue is growing rapidly in every segment:<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/dcb18bde54e264f60139107ea74aba67\" tg-width=\"945\" tg-height=\"326\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: The AuthorThese segments all have enormous potential, and that could let Nvidia continue to grow quickly for years. I&#39;m not ruling out the possibility that Nvidia beats estimates and has positive returns in 2022 or the following years. Over the long term, I have no doubt that they will continue to grow revenue and do very well. I just see better places to deploy capital now, which brings us to Micron.Micron&#39;s Growth TrajectoryMicron is no slouch either when it comes to growth. Between 2005 and 2020, their revenue had a 10% CAGR (compared to 12% for Nvidia). According to Micron, memory has been the fastest growing sub-field in semiconductors over the last two decades.<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/a2909ab175fa284b1247812cc9312e2d\" tg-width=\"930\" tg-height=\"330\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: Earnings PresentationMicron breaks down its segments a bit differently than Nvidia, but its segments are all growing quickly as well. They highlight many of the same growth drivers as Nvidia. In particular, they saw 80% growth in industrial/IoT this year, and they expect 40-50% CAGR in the auto market over the next three years.<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/1f64ca0b97d8dd38525cee5bd53299cc\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"75\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: Seeking AlphaMicron&#39;s fiscal year ends at a different time than Nvidia, so it&#39;s difficult to make head-to-head comparisons based on the estimates in the image above. But one easy point to make is that Micron&#39;s projected EPS growth in the one year ending August 2022 is 10% higher than Nvidia&#39;s projected EPS growth in the two years from January 2022 to January 2024.These are just projections and they&#39;re often wrong. But Micron&#39;s projected EPS growth is based on just 16% revenue growth, which seems like an attainable target that&#39;s only slightly higher than its historic growth rate.Ideally, an investment would be fairly valued based on earnings estimates so that a company doesn&#39;t have to wildly exceed expectations to deliver strong returns. I believe that&#39;s the case with Micron, since even using its historic 10% CAGR without factoring in this year&#39;s projected 46% growth, it has a PEG of just 1.4.Another reason why I believe Micron&#39;s growth estimates are attainable is because of where they are in the supply/demand cycle. While Nvidia&#39;s revenue is breaking records every quarter, Micron still has less revenue now than it did in 2018. This is an industry-wide issue; revenue for Micron competitor SK Hynix also peaked in 2018.It&#39;s not a foregone conclusion that revenue in the memory industry will reach another all-time high. But considering the strong growth trends that underpin the industry and the progress those trends have made since 2018, I think it&#39;s reasonable to assume that this will happen at some point.There are a variety of other reasons why Micron&#39;s future growth could be steadier and more sustainable than it was in the past:<ul><li>75% of their revenue now comes from long term agreements based on close collaboration with customers. This is up from 10% five years ago.</li><li>The memory industry has consolidated (anyone remember Sandisk, Inotera, or Elpida?), which should lead to more favorable pricing and less risk of oversupply.</li><li>The adoption of capital intensive EUV manufacturing technology will make it more difficult for new entrants, especially in China where the tech is unavailable.</li><li>Micron could get support from the federal government as part of the CHIPS act, which appears to be more focused on manufacturing than design (and thus not as likely to benefit Nvidia).</li><li>Micron recently started paying a dividend, which indicates management&#39;s confidence that their cash flows are sustainable.</li></ul>RisksTo be clear, my thesis is that Micron will outperform Nvidia over the next few years, not that Nvidia&#39;s stock will decline. Great companies like Nvidia can trade at elevated multiples for a long time and I have no desire to short Nvidia. Even so, there are a couple reasons why this narrow thesis could fail and Micron could end up underperforming Nvidia.The first is that Micron&#39;s moat sources are not as strong as Nvidia&#39;s. Micron&#39;s market position has improved as a result of the factors mentioned in the previous section. Even so, it&#39;s still a relatively small player compared to Samsung despite its market leadership in some verticals like low power DRAM. This could stop Micron from driving innovations through R&amp;D or exercising pricing power. On the other hand, Nvidia invented the GPU, owns substantial intellectual property related to it, and is the largest GPU player with the largest R&amp;D budget.Micron has also benefitted from multiple expansion; a couple years ago it had a forward P/E of just 3. In that respect, Nvidia and Micron have both experienced a similar level of multiple expansion (about 5x). The difference is that Micron&#39;s current P/E of 14 is a reasonable multiple for a fast growing cyclical company with high teens revenue growth. Nvidia&#39;s current P/E of 93 is a reasonable multiple for a high quality company positioned to grow at 30%+ for years to come, which I doubt Nvidia (or any large cap semiconductor company) can do. Even so, both companies could be vulnerable to multiple contraction in the future. While I believe it&#39;s unlikely, Micron could benefit less from changes to its multiple than Nvidia.ConclusionBoth Micron and Nvidia are great companies, but Nvidia is probably a better company in terms of market position and margins. I would be an avid buyer of Nvidia at 40-50 P/E, a level that I admit it may not fall to for a while. In the meantime, I&#39;m happy with a large position in Micron, which is an increasingly great company at a fair price.</body></html>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Nvidia's Bull Run May Continue, But Micron Is A Better Pick</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nNvidia's Bull Run May Continue, But Micron Is A Better Pick\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2022-01-05 14:39 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://seekingalpha.com/article/4477940-nvidia-nvda-mu-bull-run-may-continue-micron-better-pick>Seeking Alpha</a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\nSummaryNvidia and Micron are two semiconductor giants, but Nvidia has been a better performer and a more popular stock lately.Although Nvidia's semiconductors are irreplaceable, their past growth rate...\n\n<a href=\"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4477940-nvidia-nvda-mu-bull-run-may-continue-micron-better-pick\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"NVDA":"英伟达","MU":"美光科技"},"source_url":"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4477940-nvidia-nvda-mu-bull-run-may-continue-micron-better-pick","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1155972670","content_text":"SummaryNvidia and Micron are two semiconductor giants, but Nvidia has been a better performer and a more popular stock lately.Although Nvidia's semiconductors are irreplaceable, their past growth rate appears unsustainable.On the other hand, Micron's bull run could just be getting started, and its growth is becoming less cyclical.Jae Young Ju/iStock via Getty ImagesThesisBoth NVIDIA (NASDAQ:NVDA) and Micron (NASDAQ:MU) are semiconductor giants benefiting from strong growth trends in data centers, self-driving cars, and other high tech fields. From a purely business perspective, Nvidia's capital-light operations and market leadership make it preferable. However, at a 6x cheaper valuation, Micron is the better buy now.IntroductionNvidia's bull run over the past couple years made it by far the most valuable semiconductor company. In fact, it's now the 8th most valuable company in the world. Among semiconductor companies, only TSMC (NYSE:TSM) joins it in the top 25. This status has given Nvidia a reputation as the premier \"picks and shovels\" play of futuristic tech.It's certainly true that Nvidia isapicks and shovels play. Nvidia's GPUs - which specialize in highly parallelized computing like graphics - are increasingly important in areas like data centers, cryptocurrency mining, and self-driving cars. Companies like Meta (NASDAQ:FB) are ramping up spending in these fields, which in Meta's case reportedly includes an all-in bet on Nvidia's GPUs. Widespread demand created a shortage of Nvidia products and drove the bull run that 6xed the stock from its March 2020 lows.However, over half of that performance was driven by multiple expansion. Nvidia bottomed at 35 P/E in 2020, and now stands at nearly 100. This lofty multiple makes Nvidia look much further ahead of its semiconductor peers than it actually is.To illustrate, Micron - which at a $104B market cap and P/E of 14 has flown comparatively under the radar - actually has more revenue than Nvidia. In the last 12 months, they brought in $27.7B compared to $24.3B from Nvidia. If Nvidia's P/E was applied to Micron, it would have a $713B market cap... just 5.6% smaller than Nvidia's.From a business perspective, there's not much similarity between these two companies besides the fact that they both design semiconductors.Source: StatistaNvidia focuses on GPUs, a product that it invented. It has 83% market share, excluding integrated GPUs where Intel leads. This market share is partially protected by intellectual property.Source: TECHDesignOn the other hand, Micron is a distant third in DRAM market share and only fifth in the crowded NAND space. Unlike Nvidia, Micron manufactures chips in addition to designing them and doesn't seem to have a noteworthy advantage when it comes to intellectual property.DRAM and NAND are two types of memory chips. While GPUs specialize in performing a lot of operations very quickly, memory chips focus on storing a lot of information.Memory chips are used alongside GPUs, and don't compete directly with them. Micron is partnered with Nvidia on a variety of offerings, helping both companies benefit from the same growth trends. In particular, both companies have highlighted AI, 5G, IoT, gaming, industrial, blockchain, the metaverse, and auto as areas that will drive future growth.In the rest of this article, I'll explain why Nvidia's growth rate over the past year may not be sustainable, while Micron's future growth may be even better than it was in the past.Nvidia's Growth TrajectorySource: Seeking AlphaAccording to Seeking Alpha, analysts project a 16-18% revenue and earnings CAGR for Nvidia over the next two years. For comparison, Nvidia is wrapping up a year where it will have grown earnings by about 73%.What's causing the deceleration? One place to look is prior to 2021. Between 2005 and 2020, Nvidia's revenue grew at a CAGR of 12%. Adding 2021's historic growth brings it to 14% CAGR. So analysts are projecting slightly elevated growth relative to historic levels, which I think is reasonable. This level of growth is very impressive, and it was enough for Nvidia to generate strong returns even prior to this year.This growth is also above the industry average. Since 2008, the only large cap semiconductor company with a revenue CAGR above 15% is Broadcom (NASDAQ:AVGO), which only broke this threshold due to acquisitions. Keep in mind that this is during the biggest tech bull run ever.Famous investor Peter Lynch was skeptical of any company growing faster than 20% because of the difficulty of sustaining that growth, and the lack of exceptions to this rule in the semiconductor industry seems to prove him right. (There are plenty of exceptions in software though.)At nearly 100 P/E and growing off of its largest revenue base ever, 2021 will be a difficult act for Nvidia to follow. Nvidia will have to grow significantly faster than 18% per year to justify its valuation relative to peers, since 18% growth would still put its PEG ratio above 5. If Nvidia delivers on its projected growth and trades flat for the next two years, it will have aforwardP/E of 49.It's also worth noting that semiconductor revenue is cyclical, so this isn't the first time that Nvidia has experienced strong growth. In both 2008 and 2018, Nvidia had growth of 34% of higher, but those years were followed by growth of -16% and 21% in the next year.Just to highlight one area where growth doesn't look sustainable, Nvidia benefited from the increasing popularity of cryptocurrency in 2021. Nvidia has stated that it doesn't have visibility into exactly how much demand from crypto impacts revenue, but its products are used to mine cryptocurrency like Bitcoin (BTC-USD).I'm certainly not so bold as to call a top in Bitcoin, but historically it has been the case that the year after a halving has marked the start of a Bitcoin bear market. Additionally, altcoins that use proof of stake (including Ethereum, which will switch to proof of stake in 2022) have been gaining market share on Bitcoin. Proof of stake doesn't need Nvidia's GPUs because it doesn't do as much computation.Micron benefits from cryptocurrency as well, since miners need a lot of power and a lot of memory. But the market's perception seems to be that Nvidia benefits more based on the well publicized GPU shortages related to mining, which could negatively impact Nvidia's stock if Bitcoin crashes. Additionally, Micron would not be as impacted by a switch to proof of stake.Focusing only on cryptocurrency is a disservice to Nvidia's strong growth across the board. Revenue is growing rapidly in every segment:Source: The AuthorThese segments all have enormous potential, and that could let Nvidia continue to grow quickly for years. I'm not ruling out the possibility that Nvidia beats estimates and has positive returns in 2022 or the following years. Over the long term, I have no doubt that they will continue to grow revenue and do very well. I just see better places to deploy capital now, which brings us to Micron.Micron's Growth TrajectoryMicron is no slouch either when it comes to growth. Between 2005 and 2020, their revenue had a 10% CAGR (compared to 12% for Nvidia). According to Micron, memory has been the fastest growing sub-field in semiconductors over the last two decades.Source: Earnings PresentationMicron breaks down its segments a bit differently than Nvidia, but its segments are all growing quickly as well. They highlight many of the same growth drivers as Nvidia. In particular, they saw 80% growth in industrial/IoT this year, and they expect 40-50% CAGR in the auto market over the next three years.Source: Seeking AlphaMicron's fiscal year ends at a different time than Nvidia, so it's difficult to make head-to-head comparisons based on the estimates in the image above. But one easy point to make is that Micron's projected EPS growth in the one year ending August 2022 is 10% higher than Nvidia's projected EPS growth in the two years from January 2022 to January 2024.These are just projections and they're often wrong. But Micron's projected EPS growth is based on just 16% revenue growth, which seems like an attainable target that's only slightly higher than its historic growth rate.Ideally, an investment would be fairly valued based on earnings estimates so that a company doesn't have to wildly exceed expectations to deliver strong returns. I believe that's the case with Micron, since even using its historic 10% CAGR without factoring in this year's projected 46% growth, it has a PEG of just 1.4.Another reason why I believe Micron's growth estimates are attainable is because of where they are in the supply/demand cycle. While Nvidia's revenue is breaking records every quarter, Micron still has less revenue now than it did in 2018. This is an industry-wide issue; revenue for Micron competitor SK Hynix also peaked in 2018.It's not a foregone conclusion that revenue in the memory industry will reach another all-time high. But considering the strong growth trends that underpin the industry and the progress those trends have made since 2018, I think it's reasonable to assume that this will happen at some point.There are a variety of other reasons why Micron's future growth could be steadier and more sustainable than it was in the past:75% of their revenue now comes from long term agreements based on close collaboration with customers. This is up from 10% five years ago.The memory industry has consolidated (anyone remember Sandisk, Inotera, or Elpida?), which should lead to more favorable pricing and less risk of oversupply.The adoption of capital intensive EUV manufacturing technology will make it more difficult for new entrants, especially in China where the tech is unavailable.Micron could get support from the federal government as part of the CHIPS act, which appears to be more focused on manufacturing than design (and thus not as likely to benefit Nvidia).Micron recently started paying a dividend, which indicates management's confidence that their cash flows are sustainable.RisksTo be clear, my thesis is that Micron will outperform Nvidia over the next few years, not that Nvidia's stock will decline. Great companies like Nvidia can trade at elevated multiples for a long time and I have no desire to short Nvidia. Even so, there are a couple reasons why this narrow thesis could fail and Micron could end up underperforming Nvidia.The first is that Micron's moat sources are not as strong as Nvidia's. Micron's market position has improved as a result of the factors mentioned in the previous section. Even so, it's still a relatively small player compared to Samsung despite its market leadership in some verticals like low power DRAM. This could stop Micron from driving innovations through R&D or exercising pricing power. On the other hand, Nvidia invented the GPU, owns substantial intellectual property related to it, and is the largest GPU player with the largest R&D budget.Micron has also benefitted from multiple expansion; a couple years ago it had a forward P/E of just 3. In that respect, Nvidia and Micron have both experienced a similar level of multiple expansion (about 5x). The difference is that Micron's current P/E of 14 is a reasonable multiple for a fast growing cyclical company with high teens revenue growth. Nvidia's current P/E of 93 is a reasonable multiple for a high quality company positioned to grow at 30%+ for years to come, which I doubt Nvidia (or any large cap semiconductor company) can do. Even so, both companies could be vulnerable to multiple contraction in the future. While I believe it's unlikely, Micron could benefit less from changes to its multiple than Nvidia.ConclusionBoth Micron and Nvidia are great companies, but Nvidia is probably a better company in terms of market position and margins. I would be an avid buyer of Nvidia at 40-50 P/E, a level that I admit it may not fall to for a while. In the meantime, I'm happy with a large position in Micron, which is an increasingly great company at a fair price.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"tweetType":1,"langContent":"EN"},{"id":9008343681,"gmtCreate":1641373275394,"gmtModify":1676533607038,"author":{"id":"4091088321144510","authorId":"4091088321144510","name":"JunHaoT","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","vip":1,"crmLevel":2,"crmLevelSwitch":0},"htmlText":"Go nvida","listText":"Go nvida","text":"Go nvida","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":2,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/9008343681","repostId":1155972670,"repostType":4,"repost":{"id":"1155972670","pubTimestamp":1641364775,"share":"https://www.laohu8.com/m/news/1155972670?lang=&edition=full","pubTime":"2022-01-05 14:39","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Nvidia's Bull Run May Continue, But Micron Is A Better Pick","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1155972670","media":"Seeking Alpha","summary":"SummaryNvidia and Micron are two semiconductor giants, but Nvidia has been a better performer and a ","content":"<html><head></head><body>Summary<ul><li>Nvidia and Micron are two semiconductor giants, but Nvidia has been a better performer and a more popular stock lately.</li><li>Although Nvidia&#39;s semiconductors are irreplaceable, their past growth rate appears unsustainable.</li><li>On the other hand, Micron&#39;s bull run could just be getting started, and its growth is becoming less cyclical.</li></ul><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/6691b70fdc966ffa4fdf41f48e2288a1\" tg-width=\"1536\" tg-height=\"1024\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Jae Young Ju/iStock via Getty ImagesThesisBoth NVIDIA (NASDAQ:NVDA) and Micron (NASDAQ:MU) are semiconductor giants benefiting from strong growth trends in data centers, self-driving cars, and other high tech fields. From a purely business perspective, Nvidia&#39;s capital-light operations and market leadership make it preferable. However, at a 6x cheaper valuation, Micron is the better buy now.IntroductionNvidia&#39;s bull run over the past couple years made it by far the most valuable semiconductor company. In fact, it&#39;s now the 8th most valuable company in the world. Among semiconductor companies, only TSMC (NYSE:TSM) joins it in the top 25. This status has given Nvidia a reputation as the premier &#34;picks and shovels&#34; play of futuristic tech.It&#39;s certainly true that Nvidia isapicks and shovels play. Nvidia&#39;s GPUs - which specialize in highly parallelized computing like graphics - are increasingly important in areas like data centers, cryptocurrency mining, and self-driving cars. Companies like Meta (NASDAQ:FB) are ramping up spending in these fields, which in Meta&#39;s case reportedly includes an all-in bet on Nvidia&#39;s GPUs. Widespread demand created a shortage of Nvidia products and drove the bull run that 6xed the stock from its March 2020 lows.However, over half of that performance was driven by multiple expansion. Nvidia bottomed at 35 P/E in 2020, and now stands at nearly 100. This lofty multiple makes Nvidia look much further ahead of its semiconductor peers than it actually is.To illustrate, Micron - which at a $104B market cap and P/E of 14 has flown comparatively under the radar - actually has more revenue than Nvidia. In the last 12 months, they brought in $27.7B compared to $24.3B from Nvidia. If Nvidia&#39;s P/E was applied to Micron, it would have a $713B market cap... just 5.6% smaller than Nvidia&#39;s.From a business perspective, there&#39;s not much similarity between these two companies besides the fact that they both design semiconductors.<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/200b841ba17e382317f5508778ebf9ff\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"394\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: StatistaNvidia focuses on GPUs, a product that it invented. It has 83% market share, excluding integrated GPUs where Intel leads. This market share is partially protected by intellectual property.<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/d0ecfd56031c9bfeb18ff874dc722363\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"394\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: TECHDesignOn the other hand, Micron is a distant third in DRAM market share and only fifth in the crowded NAND space. Unlike Nvidia, Micron manufactures chips in addition to designing them and doesn&#39;t seem to have a noteworthy advantage when it comes to intellectual property.DRAM and NAND are two types of memory chips. While GPUs specialize in performing a lot of operations very quickly, memory chips focus on storing a lot of information.Memory chips are used alongside GPUs, and don&#39;t compete directly with them. Micron is partnered with Nvidia on a variety of offerings, helping both companies benefit from the same growth trends. In particular, both companies have highlighted AI, 5G, IoT, gaming, industrial, blockchain, the metaverse, and auto as areas that will drive future growth.In the rest of this article, I&#39;ll explain why Nvidia&#39;s growth rate over the past year may not be sustainable, while Micron&#39;s future growth may be even better than it was in the past.Nvidia&#39;s Growth Trajectory<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/74dbfacbd6ae03fb40883b5dfea2bbf8\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"76\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: Seeking AlphaAccording to Seeking Alpha, analysts project a 16-18% revenue and earnings CAGR for Nvidia over the next two years. For comparison, Nvidia is wrapping up a year where it will have grown earnings by about 73%.What&#39;s causing the deceleration? One place to look is prior to 2021. Between 2005 and 2020, Nvidia&#39;s revenue grew at a CAGR of 12%. Adding 2021&#39;s historic growth brings it to 14% CAGR. So analysts are projecting slightly elevated growth relative to historic levels, which I think is reasonable. This level of growth is very impressive, and it was enough for Nvidia to generate strong returns even prior to this year.This growth is also above the industry average. Since 2008, the only large cap semiconductor company with a revenue CAGR above 15% is Broadcom (NASDAQ:AVGO), which only broke this threshold due to acquisitions. Keep in mind that this is during the biggest tech bull run ever.Famous investor Peter Lynch was skeptical of any company growing faster than 20% because of the difficulty of sustaining that growth, and the lack of exceptions to this rule in the semiconductor industry seems to prove him right. (There are plenty of exceptions in software though.)At nearly 100 P/E and growing off of its largest revenue base ever, 2021 will be a difficult act for Nvidia to follow. Nvidia will have to grow significantly faster than 18% per year to justify its valuation relative to peers, since 18% growth would still put its PEG ratio above 5. If Nvidia delivers on its projected growth and trades flat for the next two years, it will have aforwardP/E of 49.It&#39;s also worth noting that semiconductor revenue is cyclical, so this isn&#39;t the first time that Nvidia has experienced strong growth. In both 2008 and 2018, Nvidia had growth of 34% of higher, but those years were followed by growth of -16% and 21% in the next year.Just to highlight one area where growth doesn&#39;t look sustainable, Nvidia benefited from the increasing popularity of cryptocurrency in 2021. Nvidia has stated that it doesn&#39;t have visibility into exactly how much demand from crypto impacts revenue, but its products are used to mine cryptocurrency like Bitcoin (BTC-USD).I&#39;m certainly not so bold as to call a top in Bitcoin, but historically it has been the case that the year after a halving has marked the start of a Bitcoin bear market. Additionally, altcoins that use proof of stake (including Ethereum, which will switch to proof of stake in 2022) have been gaining market share on Bitcoin. Proof of stake doesn&#39;t need Nvidia&#39;s GPUs because it doesn&#39;t do as much computation.Micron benefits from cryptocurrency as well, since miners need a lot of power and a lot of memory. But the market&#39;s perception seems to be that Nvidia benefits more based on the well publicized GPU shortages related to mining, which could negatively impact Nvidia&#39;s stock if Bitcoin crashes. Additionally, Micron would not be as impacted by a switch to proof of stake.Focusing only on cryptocurrency is a disservice to Nvidia&#39;s strong growth across the board. Revenue is growing rapidly in every segment:<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/dcb18bde54e264f60139107ea74aba67\" tg-width=\"945\" tg-height=\"326\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: The AuthorThese segments all have enormous potential, and that could let Nvidia continue to grow quickly for years. I&#39;m not ruling out the possibility that Nvidia beats estimates and has positive returns in 2022 or the following years. Over the long term, I have no doubt that they will continue to grow revenue and do very well. I just see better places to deploy capital now, which brings us to Micron.Micron&#39;s Growth TrajectoryMicron is no slouch either when it comes to growth. Between 2005 and 2020, their revenue had a 10% CAGR (compared to 12% for Nvidia). According to Micron, memory has been the fastest growing sub-field in semiconductors over the last two decades.<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/a2909ab175fa284b1247812cc9312e2d\" tg-width=\"930\" tg-height=\"330\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: Earnings PresentationMicron breaks down its segments a bit differently than Nvidia, but its segments are all growing quickly as well. They highlight many of the same growth drivers as Nvidia. In particular, they saw 80% growth in industrial/IoT this year, and they expect 40-50% CAGR in the auto market over the next three years.<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/1f64ca0b97d8dd38525cee5bd53299cc\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"75\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: Seeking AlphaMicron&#39;s fiscal year ends at a different time than Nvidia, so it&#39;s difficult to make head-to-head comparisons based on the estimates in the image above. But one easy point to make is that Micron&#39;s projected EPS growth in the one year ending August 2022 is 10% higher than Nvidia&#39;s projected EPS growth in the two years from January 2022 to January 2024.These are just projections and they&#39;re often wrong. But Micron&#39;s projected EPS growth is based on just 16% revenue growth, which seems like an attainable target that&#39;s only slightly higher than its historic growth rate.Ideally, an investment would be fairly valued based on earnings estimates so that a company doesn&#39;t have to wildly exceed expectations to deliver strong returns. I believe that&#39;s the case with Micron, since even using its historic 10% CAGR without factoring in this year&#39;s projected 46% growth, it has a PEG of just 1.4.Another reason why I believe Micron&#39;s growth estimates are attainable is because of where they are in the supply/demand cycle. While Nvidia&#39;s revenue is breaking records every quarter, Micron still has less revenue now than it did in 2018. This is an industry-wide issue; revenue for Micron competitor SK Hynix also peaked in 2018.It&#39;s not a foregone conclusion that revenue in the memory industry will reach another all-time high. But considering the strong growth trends that underpin the industry and the progress those trends have made since 2018, I think it&#39;s reasonable to assume that this will happen at some point.There are a variety of other reasons why Micron&#39;s future growth could be steadier and more sustainable than it was in the past:<ul><li>75% of their revenue now comes from long term agreements based on close collaboration with customers. This is up from 10% five years ago.</li><li>The memory industry has consolidated (anyone remember Sandisk, Inotera, or Elpida?), which should lead to more favorable pricing and less risk of oversupply.</li><li>The adoption of capital intensive EUV manufacturing technology will make it more difficult for new entrants, especially in China where the tech is unavailable.</li><li>Micron could get support from the federal government as part of the CHIPS act, which appears to be more focused on manufacturing than design (and thus not as likely to benefit Nvidia).</li><li>Micron recently started paying a dividend, which indicates management&#39;s confidence that their cash flows are sustainable.</li></ul>RisksTo be clear, my thesis is that Micron will outperform Nvidia over the next few years, not that Nvidia&#39;s stock will decline. Great companies like Nvidia can trade at elevated multiples for a long time and I have no desire to short Nvidia. Even so, there are a couple reasons why this narrow thesis could fail and Micron could end up underperforming Nvidia.The first is that Micron&#39;s moat sources are not as strong as Nvidia&#39;s. Micron&#39;s market position has improved as a result of the factors mentioned in the previous section. Even so, it&#39;s still a relatively small player compared to Samsung despite its market leadership in some verticals like low power DRAM. This could stop Micron from driving innovations through R&amp;D or exercising pricing power. On the other hand, Nvidia invented the GPU, owns substantial intellectual property related to it, and is the largest GPU player with the largest R&amp;D budget.Micron has also benefitted from multiple expansion; a couple years ago it had a forward P/E of just 3. In that respect, Nvidia and Micron have both experienced a similar level of multiple expansion (about 5x). The difference is that Micron&#39;s current P/E of 14 is a reasonable multiple for a fast growing cyclical company with high teens revenue growth. Nvidia&#39;s current P/E of 93 is a reasonable multiple for a high quality company positioned to grow at 30%+ for years to come, which I doubt Nvidia (or any large cap semiconductor company) can do. Even so, both companies could be vulnerable to multiple contraction in the future. While I believe it&#39;s unlikely, Micron could benefit less from changes to its multiple than Nvidia.ConclusionBoth Micron and Nvidia are great companies, but Nvidia is probably a better company in terms of market position and margins. I would be an avid buyer of Nvidia at 40-50 P/E, a level that I admit it may not fall to for a while. 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From a purely business perspective, Nvidia's capital-light operations and market leadership make it preferable. However, at a 6x cheaper valuation, Micron is the better buy now.IntroductionNvidia's bull run over the past couple years made it by far the most valuable semiconductor company. In fact, it's now the 8th most valuable company in the world. Among semiconductor companies, only TSMC (NYSE:TSM) joins it in the top 25. This status has given Nvidia a reputation as the premier \"picks and shovels\" play of futuristic tech.It's certainly true that Nvidia isapicks and shovels play. Nvidia's GPUs - which specialize in highly parallelized computing like graphics - are increasingly important in areas like data centers, cryptocurrency mining, and self-driving cars. Companies like Meta (NASDAQ:FB) are ramping up spending in these fields, which in Meta's case reportedly includes an all-in bet on Nvidia's GPUs. Widespread demand created a shortage of Nvidia products and drove the bull run that 6xed the stock from its March 2020 lows.However, over half of that performance was driven by multiple expansion. Nvidia bottomed at 35 P/E in 2020, and now stands at nearly 100. This lofty multiple makes Nvidia look much further ahead of its semiconductor peers than it actually is.To illustrate, Micron - which at a $104B market cap and P/E of 14 has flown comparatively under the radar - actually has more revenue than Nvidia. In the last 12 months, they brought in $27.7B compared to $24.3B from Nvidia. If Nvidia's P/E was applied to Micron, it would have a $713B market cap... just 5.6% smaller than Nvidia's.From a business perspective, there's not much similarity between these two companies besides the fact that they both design semiconductors.Source: StatistaNvidia focuses on GPUs, a product that it invented. It has 83% market share, excluding integrated GPUs where Intel leads. This market share is partially protected by intellectual property.Source: TECHDesignOn the other hand, Micron is a distant third in DRAM market share and only fifth in the crowded NAND space. Unlike Nvidia, Micron manufactures chips in addition to designing them and doesn't seem to have a noteworthy advantage when it comes to intellectual property.DRAM and NAND are two types of memory chips. While GPUs specialize in performing a lot of operations very quickly, memory chips focus on storing a lot of information.Memory chips are used alongside GPUs, and don't compete directly with them. Micron is partnered with Nvidia on a variety of offerings, helping both companies benefit from the same growth trends. In particular, both companies have highlighted AI, 5G, IoT, gaming, industrial, blockchain, the metaverse, and auto as areas that will drive future growth.In the rest of this article, I'll explain why Nvidia's growth rate over the past year may not be sustainable, while Micron's future growth may be even better than it was in the past.Nvidia's Growth TrajectorySource: Seeking AlphaAccording to Seeking Alpha, analysts project a 16-18% revenue and earnings CAGR for Nvidia over the next two years. For comparison, Nvidia is wrapping up a year where it will have grown earnings by about 73%.What's causing the deceleration? One place to look is prior to 2021. Between 2005 and 2020, Nvidia's revenue grew at a CAGR of 12%. Adding 2021's historic growth brings it to 14% CAGR. So analysts are projecting slightly elevated growth relative to historic levels, which I think is reasonable. This level of growth is very impressive, and it was enough for Nvidia to generate strong returns even prior to this year.This growth is also above the industry average. Since 2008, the only large cap semiconductor company with a revenue CAGR above 15% is Broadcom (NASDAQ:AVGO), which only broke this threshold due to acquisitions. Keep in mind that this is during the biggest tech bull run ever.Famous investor Peter Lynch was skeptical of any company growing faster than 20% because of the difficulty of sustaining that growth, and the lack of exceptions to this rule in the semiconductor industry seems to prove him right. (There are plenty of exceptions in software though.)At nearly 100 P/E and growing off of its largest revenue base ever, 2021 will be a difficult act for Nvidia to follow. Nvidia will have to grow significantly faster than 18% per year to justify its valuation relative to peers, since 18% growth would still put its PEG ratio above 5. If Nvidia delivers on its projected growth and trades flat for the next two years, it will have aforwardP/E of 49.It's also worth noting that semiconductor revenue is cyclical, so this isn't the first time that Nvidia has experienced strong growth. In both 2008 and 2018, Nvidia had growth of 34% of higher, but those years were followed by growth of -16% and 21% in the next year.Just to highlight one area where growth doesn't look sustainable, Nvidia benefited from the increasing popularity of cryptocurrency in 2021. Nvidia has stated that it doesn't have visibility into exactly how much demand from crypto impacts revenue, but its products are used to mine cryptocurrency like Bitcoin (BTC-USD).I'm certainly not so bold as to call a top in Bitcoin, but historically it has been the case that the year after a halving has marked the start of a Bitcoin bear market. Additionally, altcoins that use proof of stake (including Ethereum, which will switch to proof of stake in 2022) have been gaining market share on Bitcoin. Proof of stake doesn't need Nvidia's GPUs because it doesn't do as much computation.Micron benefits from cryptocurrency as well, since miners need a lot of power and a lot of memory. But the market's perception seems to be that Nvidia benefits more based on the well publicized GPU shortages related to mining, which could negatively impact Nvidia's stock if Bitcoin crashes. Additionally, Micron would not be as impacted by a switch to proof of stake.Focusing only on cryptocurrency is a disservice to Nvidia's strong growth across the board. Revenue is growing rapidly in every segment:Source: The AuthorThese segments all have enormous potential, and that could let Nvidia continue to grow quickly for years. I'm not ruling out the possibility that Nvidia beats estimates and has positive returns in 2022 or the following years. Over the long term, I have no doubt that they will continue to grow revenue and do very well. I just see better places to deploy capital now, which brings us to Micron.Micron's Growth TrajectoryMicron is no slouch either when it comes to growth. Between 2005 and 2020, their revenue had a 10% CAGR (compared to 12% for Nvidia). According to Micron, memory has been the fastest growing sub-field in semiconductors over the last two decades.Source: Earnings PresentationMicron breaks down its segments a bit differently than Nvidia, but its segments are all growing quickly as well. They highlight many of the same growth drivers as Nvidia. In particular, they saw 80% growth in industrial/IoT this year, and they expect 40-50% CAGR in the auto market over the next three years.Source: Seeking AlphaMicron's fiscal year ends at a different time than Nvidia, so it's difficult to make head-to-head comparisons based on the estimates in the image above. But one easy point to make is that Micron's projected EPS growth in the one year ending August 2022 is 10% higher than Nvidia's projected EPS growth in the two years from January 2022 to January 2024.These are just projections and they're often wrong. But Micron's projected EPS growth is based on just 16% revenue growth, which seems like an attainable target that's only slightly higher than its historic growth rate.Ideally, an investment would be fairly valued based on earnings estimates so that a company doesn't have to wildly exceed expectations to deliver strong returns. I believe that's the case with Micron, since even using its historic 10% CAGR without factoring in this year's projected 46% growth, it has a PEG of just 1.4.Another reason why I believe Micron's growth estimates are attainable is because of where they are in the supply/demand cycle. While Nvidia's revenue is breaking records every quarter, Micron still has less revenue now than it did in 2018. This is an industry-wide issue; revenue for Micron competitor SK Hynix also peaked in 2018.It's not a foregone conclusion that revenue in the memory industry will reach another all-time high. But considering the strong growth trends that underpin the industry and the progress those trends have made since 2018, I think it's reasonable to assume that this will happen at some point.There are a variety of other reasons why Micron's future growth could be steadier and more sustainable than it was in the past:75% of their revenue now comes from long term agreements based on close collaboration with customers. This is up from 10% five years ago.The memory industry has consolidated (anyone remember Sandisk, Inotera, or Elpida?), which should lead to more favorable pricing and less risk of oversupply.The adoption of capital intensive EUV manufacturing technology will make it more difficult for new entrants, especially in China where the tech is unavailable.Micron could get support from the federal government as part of the CHIPS act, which appears to be more focused on manufacturing than design (and thus not as likely to benefit Nvidia).Micron recently started paying a dividend, which indicates management's confidence that their cash flows are sustainable.RisksTo be clear, my thesis is that Micron will outperform Nvidia over the next few years, not that Nvidia's stock will decline. Great companies like Nvidia can trade at elevated multiples for a long time and I have no desire to short Nvidia. Even so, there are a couple reasons why this narrow thesis could fail and Micron could end up underperforming Nvidia.The first is that Micron's moat sources are not as strong as Nvidia's. Micron's market position has improved as a result of the factors mentioned in the previous section. Even so, it's still a relatively small player compared to Samsung despite its market leadership in some verticals like low power DRAM. This could stop Micron from driving innovations through R&D or exercising pricing power. On the other hand, Nvidia invented the GPU, owns substantial intellectual property related to it, and is the largest GPU player with the largest R&D budget.Micron has also benefitted from multiple expansion; a couple years ago it had a forward P/E of just 3. In that respect, Nvidia and Micron have both experienced a similar level of multiple expansion (about 5x). The difference is that Micron's current P/E of 14 is a reasonable multiple for a fast growing cyclical company with high teens revenue growth. Nvidia's current P/E of 93 is a reasonable multiple for a high quality company positioned to grow at 30%+ for years to come, which I doubt Nvidia (or any large cap semiconductor company) can do. Even so, both companies could be vulnerable to multiple contraction in the future. While I believe it's unlikely, Micron could benefit less from changes to its multiple than Nvidia.ConclusionBoth Micron and Nvidia are great companies, but Nvidia is probably a better company in terms of market position and margins. I would be an avid buyer of Nvidia at 40-50 P/E, a level that I admit it may not fall to for a while. 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From a purely business perspective, Nvidia&#39;s capital-light operations and market leadership make it preferable. However, at a 6x cheaper valuation, Micron is the better buy now.IntroductionNvidia&#39;s bull run over the past couple years made it by far the most valuable semiconductor company. In fact, it&#39;s now the 8th most valuable company in the world. Among semiconductor companies, only TSMC (NYSE:TSM) joins it in the top 25. This status has given Nvidia a reputation as the premier &#34;picks and shovels&#34; play of futuristic tech.It&#39;s certainly true that Nvidia isapicks and shovels play. Nvidia&#39;s GPUs - which specialize in highly parallelized computing like graphics - are increasingly important in areas like data centers, cryptocurrency mining, and self-driving cars. Companies like Meta (NASDAQ:FB) are ramping up spending in these fields, which in Meta&#39;s case reportedly includes an all-in bet on Nvidia&#39;s GPUs. Widespread demand created a shortage of Nvidia products and drove the bull run that 6xed the stock from its March 2020 lows.However, over half of that performance was driven by multiple expansion. Nvidia bottomed at 35 P/E in 2020, and now stands at nearly 100. This lofty multiple makes Nvidia look much further ahead of its semiconductor peers than it actually is.To illustrate, Micron - which at a $104B market cap and P/E of 14 has flown comparatively under the radar - actually has more revenue than Nvidia. In the last 12 months, they brought in $27.7B compared to $24.3B from Nvidia. If Nvidia&#39;s P/E was applied to Micron, it would have a $713B market cap... just 5.6% smaller than Nvidia&#39;s.From a business perspective, there&#39;s not much similarity between these two companies besides the fact that they both design semiconductors.<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/200b841ba17e382317f5508778ebf9ff\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"394\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: StatistaNvidia focuses on GPUs, a product that it invented. It has 83% market share, excluding integrated GPUs where Intel leads. This market share is partially protected by intellectual property.<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/d0ecfd56031c9bfeb18ff874dc722363\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"394\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: TECHDesignOn the other hand, Micron is a distant third in DRAM market share and only fifth in the crowded NAND space. Unlike Nvidia, Micron manufactures chips in addition to designing them and doesn&#39;t seem to have a noteworthy advantage when it comes to intellectual property.DRAM and NAND are two types of memory chips. While GPUs specialize in performing a lot of operations very quickly, memory chips focus on storing a lot of information.Memory chips are used alongside GPUs, and don&#39;t compete directly with them. Micron is partnered with Nvidia on a variety of offerings, helping both companies benefit from the same growth trends. In particular, both companies have highlighted AI, 5G, IoT, gaming, industrial, blockchain, the metaverse, and auto as areas that will drive future growth.In the rest of this article, I&#39;ll explain why Nvidia&#39;s growth rate over the past year may not be sustainable, while Micron&#39;s future growth may be even better than it was in the past.Nvidia&#39;s Growth Trajectory<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/74dbfacbd6ae03fb40883b5dfea2bbf8\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"76\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: Seeking AlphaAccording to Seeking Alpha, analysts project a 16-18% revenue and earnings CAGR for Nvidia over the next two years. For comparison, Nvidia is wrapping up a year where it will have grown earnings by about 73%.What&#39;s causing the deceleration? One place to look is prior to 2021. Between 2005 and 2020, Nvidia&#39;s revenue grew at a CAGR of 12%. Adding 2021&#39;s historic growth brings it to 14% CAGR. So analysts are projecting slightly elevated growth relative to historic levels, which I think is reasonable. This level of growth is very impressive, and it was enough for Nvidia to generate strong returns even prior to this year.This growth is also above the industry average. Since 2008, the only large cap semiconductor company with a revenue CAGR above 15% is Broadcom (NASDAQ:AVGO), which only broke this threshold due to acquisitions. Keep in mind that this is during the biggest tech bull run ever.Famous investor Peter Lynch was skeptical of any company growing faster than 20% because of the difficulty of sustaining that growth, and the lack of exceptions to this rule in the semiconductor industry seems to prove him right. (There are plenty of exceptions in software though.)At nearly 100 P/E and growing off of its largest revenue base ever, 2021 will be a difficult act for Nvidia to follow. Nvidia will have to grow significantly faster than 18% per year to justify its valuation relative to peers, since 18% growth would still put its PEG ratio above 5. If Nvidia delivers on its projected growth and trades flat for the next two years, it will have aforwardP/E of 49.It&#39;s also worth noting that semiconductor revenue is cyclical, so this isn&#39;t the first time that Nvidia has experienced strong growth. In both 2008 and 2018, Nvidia had growth of 34% of higher, but those years were followed by growth of -16% and 21% in the next year.Just to highlight one area where growth doesn&#39;t look sustainable, Nvidia benefited from the increasing popularity of cryptocurrency in 2021. Nvidia has stated that it doesn&#39;t have visibility into exactly how much demand from crypto impacts revenue, but its products are used to mine cryptocurrency like Bitcoin (BTC-USD).I&#39;m certainly not so bold as to call a top in Bitcoin, but historically it has been the case that the year after a halving has marked the start of a Bitcoin bear market. Additionally, altcoins that use proof of stake (including Ethereum, which will switch to proof of stake in 2022) have been gaining market share on Bitcoin. Proof of stake doesn&#39;t need Nvidia&#39;s GPUs because it doesn&#39;t do as much computation.Micron benefits from cryptocurrency as well, since miners need a lot of power and a lot of memory. But the market&#39;s perception seems to be that Nvidia benefits more based on the well publicized GPU shortages related to mining, which could negatively impact Nvidia&#39;s stock if Bitcoin crashes. Additionally, Micron would not be as impacted by a switch to proof of stake.Focusing only on cryptocurrency is a disservice to Nvidia&#39;s strong growth across the board. Revenue is growing rapidly in every segment:<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/dcb18bde54e264f60139107ea74aba67\" tg-width=\"945\" tg-height=\"326\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: The AuthorThese segments all have enormous potential, and that could let Nvidia continue to grow quickly for years. I&#39;m not ruling out the possibility that Nvidia beats estimates and has positive returns in 2022 or the following years. Over the long term, I have no doubt that they will continue to grow revenue and do very well. I just see better places to deploy capital now, which brings us to Micron.Micron&#39;s Growth TrajectoryMicron is no slouch either when it comes to growth. Between 2005 and 2020, their revenue had a 10% CAGR (compared to 12% for Nvidia). According to Micron, memory has been the fastest growing sub-field in semiconductors over the last two decades.<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/a2909ab175fa284b1247812cc9312e2d\" tg-width=\"930\" tg-height=\"330\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: Earnings PresentationMicron breaks down its segments a bit differently than Nvidia, but its segments are all growing quickly as well. They highlight many of the same growth drivers as Nvidia. In particular, they saw 80% growth in industrial/IoT this year, and they expect 40-50% CAGR in the auto market over the next three years.<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/1f64ca0b97d8dd38525cee5bd53299cc\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"75\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: Seeking AlphaMicron&#39;s fiscal year ends at a different time than Nvidia, so it&#39;s difficult to make head-to-head comparisons based on the estimates in the image above. But one easy point to make is that Micron&#39;s projected EPS growth in the one year ending August 2022 is 10% higher than Nvidia&#39;s projected EPS growth in the two years from January 2022 to January 2024.These are just projections and they&#39;re often wrong. But Micron&#39;s projected EPS growth is based on just 16% revenue growth, which seems like an attainable target that&#39;s only slightly higher than its historic growth rate.Ideally, an investment would be fairly valued based on earnings estimates so that a company doesn&#39;t have to wildly exceed expectations to deliver strong returns. I believe that&#39;s the case with Micron, since even using its historic 10% CAGR without factoring in this year&#39;s projected 46% growth, it has a PEG of just 1.4.Another reason why I believe Micron&#39;s growth estimates are attainable is because of where they are in the supply/demand cycle. While Nvidia&#39;s revenue is breaking records every quarter, Micron still has less revenue now than it did in 2018. This is an industry-wide issue; revenue for Micron competitor SK Hynix also peaked in 2018.It&#39;s not a foregone conclusion that revenue in the memory industry will reach another all-time high. But considering the strong growth trends that underpin the industry and the progress those trends have made since 2018, I think it&#39;s reasonable to assume that this will happen at some point.There are a variety of other reasons why Micron&#39;s future growth could be steadier and more sustainable than it was in the past:<ul><li>75% of their revenue now comes from long term agreements based on close collaboration with customers. This is up from 10% five years ago.</li><li>The memory industry has consolidated (anyone remember Sandisk, Inotera, or Elpida?), which should lead to more favorable pricing and less risk of oversupply.</li><li>The adoption of capital intensive EUV manufacturing technology will make it more difficult for new entrants, especially in China where the tech is unavailable.</li><li>Micron could get support from the federal government as part of the CHIPS act, which appears to be more focused on manufacturing than design (and thus not as likely to benefit Nvidia).</li><li>Micron recently started paying a dividend, which indicates management&#39;s confidence that their cash flows are sustainable.</li></ul>RisksTo be clear, my thesis is that Micron will outperform Nvidia over the next few years, not that Nvidia&#39;s stock will decline. Great companies like Nvidia can trade at elevated multiples for a long time and I have no desire to short Nvidia. Even so, there are a couple reasons why this narrow thesis could fail and Micron could end up underperforming Nvidia.The first is that Micron&#39;s moat sources are not as strong as Nvidia&#39;s. Micron&#39;s market position has improved as a result of the factors mentioned in the previous section. Even so, it&#39;s still a relatively small player compared to Samsung despite its market leadership in some verticals like low power DRAM. This could stop Micron from driving innovations through R&amp;D or exercising pricing power. On the other hand, Nvidia invented the GPU, owns substantial intellectual property related to it, and is the largest GPU player with the largest R&amp;D budget.Micron has also benefitted from multiple expansion; a couple years ago it had a forward P/E of just 3. In that respect, Nvidia and Micron have both experienced a similar level of multiple expansion (about 5x). The difference is that Micron&#39;s current P/E of 14 is a reasonable multiple for a fast growing cyclical company with high teens revenue growth. Nvidia&#39;s current P/E of 93 is a reasonable multiple for a high quality company positioned to grow at 30%+ for years to come, which I doubt Nvidia (or any large cap semiconductor company) can do. Even so, both companies could be vulnerable to multiple contraction in the future. While I believe it&#39;s unlikely, Micron could benefit less from changes to its multiple than Nvidia.ConclusionBoth Micron and Nvidia are great companies, but Nvidia is probably a better company in terms of market position and margins. I would be an avid buyer of Nvidia at 40-50 P/E, a level that I admit it may not fall to for a while. 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From a purely business perspective, Nvidia's capital-light operations and market leadership make it preferable. However, at a 6x cheaper valuation, Micron is the better buy now.IntroductionNvidia's bull run over the past couple years made it by far the most valuable semiconductor company. In fact, it's now the 8th most valuable company in the world. Among semiconductor companies, only TSMC (NYSE:TSM) joins it in the top 25. This status has given Nvidia a reputation as the premier \"picks and shovels\" play of futuristic tech.It's certainly true that Nvidia isapicks and shovels play. Nvidia's GPUs - which specialize in highly parallelized computing like graphics - are increasingly important in areas like data centers, cryptocurrency mining, and self-driving cars. Companies like Meta (NASDAQ:FB) are ramping up spending in these fields, which in Meta's case reportedly includes an all-in bet on Nvidia's GPUs. Widespread demand created a shortage of Nvidia products and drove the bull run that 6xed the stock from its March 2020 lows.However, over half of that performance was driven by multiple expansion. Nvidia bottomed at 35 P/E in 2020, and now stands at nearly 100. This lofty multiple makes Nvidia look much further ahead of its semiconductor peers than it actually is.To illustrate, Micron - which at a $104B market cap and P/E of 14 has flown comparatively under the radar - actually has more revenue than Nvidia. In the last 12 months, they brought in $27.7B compared to $24.3B from Nvidia. If Nvidia's P/E was applied to Micron, it would have a $713B market cap... just 5.6% smaller than Nvidia's.From a business perspective, there's not much similarity between these two companies besides the fact that they both design semiconductors.Source: StatistaNvidia focuses on GPUs, a product that it invented. It has 83% market share, excluding integrated GPUs where Intel leads. This market share is partially protected by intellectual property.Source: TECHDesignOn the other hand, Micron is a distant third in DRAM market share and only fifth in the crowded NAND space. Unlike Nvidia, Micron manufactures chips in addition to designing them and doesn't seem to have a noteworthy advantage when it comes to intellectual property.DRAM and NAND are two types of memory chips. While GPUs specialize in performing a lot of operations very quickly, memory chips focus on storing a lot of information.Memory chips are used alongside GPUs, and don't compete directly with them. Micron is partnered with Nvidia on a variety of offerings, helping both companies benefit from the same growth trends. In particular, both companies have highlighted AI, 5G, IoT, gaming, industrial, blockchain, the metaverse, and auto as areas that will drive future growth.In the rest of this article, I'll explain why Nvidia's growth rate over the past year may not be sustainable, while Micron's future growth may be even better than it was in the past.Nvidia's Growth TrajectorySource: Seeking AlphaAccording to Seeking Alpha, analysts project a 16-18% revenue and earnings CAGR for Nvidia over the next two years. For comparison, Nvidia is wrapping up a year where it will have grown earnings by about 73%.What's causing the deceleration? One place to look is prior to 2021. Between 2005 and 2020, Nvidia's revenue grew at a CAGR of 12%. Adding 2021's historic growth brings it to 14% CAGR. So analysts are projecting slightly elevated growth relative to historic levels, which I think is reasonable. This level of growth is very impressive, and it was enough for Nvidia to generate strong returns even prior to this year.This growth is also above the industry average. Since 2008, the only large cap semiconductor company with a revenue CAGR above 15% is Broadcom (NASDAQ:AVGO), which only broke this threshold due to acquisitions. Keep in mind that this is during the biggest tech bull run ever.Famous investor Peter Lynch was skeptical of any company growing faster than 20% because of the difficulty of sustaining that growth, and the lack of exceptions to this rule in the semiconductor industry seems to prove him right. (There are plenty of exceptions in software though.)At nearly 100 P/E and growing off of its largest revenue base ever, 2021 will be a difficult act for Nvidia to follow. Nvidia will have to grow significantly faster than 18% per year to justify its valuation relative to peers, since 18% growth would still put its PEG ratio above 5. If Nvidia delivers on its projected growth and trades flat for the next two years, it will have aforwardP/E of 49.It's also worth noting that semiconductor revenue is cyclical, so this isn't the first time that Nvidia has experienced strong growth. In both 2008 and 2018, Nvidia had growth of 34% of higher, but those years were followed by growth of -16% and 21% in the next year.Just to highlight one area where growth doesn't look sustainable, Nvidia benefited from the increasing popularity of cryptocurrency in 2021. Nvidia has stated that it doesn't have visibility into exactly how much demand from crypto impacts revenue, but its products are used to mine cryptocurrency like Bitcoin (BTC-USD).I'm certainly not so bold as to call a top in Bitcoin, but historically it has been the case that the year after a halving has marked the start of a Bitcoin bear market. Additionally, altcoins that use proof of stake (including Ethereum, which will switch to proof of stake in 2022) have been gaining market share on Bitcoin. Proof of stake doesn't need Nvidia's GPUs because it doesn't do as much computation.Micron benefits from cryptocurrency as well, since miners need a lot of power and a lot of memory. But the market's perception seems to be that Nvidia benefits more based on the well publicized GPU shortages related to mining, which could negatively impact Nvidia's stock if Bitcoin crashes. Additionally, Micron would not be as impacted by a switch to proof of stake.Focusing only on cryptocurrency is a disservice to Nvidia's strong growth across the board. Revenue is growing rapidly in every segment:Source: The AuthorThese segments all have enormous potential, and that could let Nvidia continue to grow quickly for years. I'm not ruling out the possibility that Nvidia beats estimates and has positive returns in 2022 or the following years. Over the long term, I have no doubt that they will continue to grow revenue and do very well. I just see better places to deploy capital now, which brings us to Micron.Micron's Growth TrajectoryMicron is no slouch either when it comes to growth. Between 2005 and 2020, their revenue had a 10% CAGR (compared to 12% for Nvidia). According to Micron, memory has been the fastest growing sub-field in semiconductors over the last two decades.Source: Earnings PresentationMicron breaks down its segments a bit differently than Nvidia, but its segments are all growing quickly as well. They highlight many of the same growth drivers as Nvidia. In particular, they saw 80% growth in industrial/IoT this year, and they expect 40-50% CAGR in the auto market over the next three years.Source: Seeking AlphaMicron's fiscal year ends at a different time than Nvidia, so it's difficult to make head-to-head comparisons based on the estimates in the image above. But one easy point to make is that Micron's projected EPS growth in the one year ending August 2022 is 10% higher than Nvidia's projected EPS growth in the two years from January 2022 to January 2024.These are just projections and they're often wrong. But Micron's projected EPS growth is based on just 16% revenue growth, which seems like an attainable target that's only slightly higher than its historic growth rate.Ideally, an investment would be fairly valued based on earnings estimates so that a company doesn't have to wildly exceed expectations to deliver strong returns. I believe that's the case with Micron, since even using its historic 10% CAGR without factoring in this year's projected 46% growth, it has a PEG of just 1.4.Another reason why I believe Micron's growth estimates are attainable is because of where they are in the supply/demand cycle. While Nvidia's revenue is breaking records every quarter, Micron still has less revenue now than it did in 2018. This is an industry-wide issue; revenue for Micron competitor SK Hynix also peaked in 2018.It's not a foregone conclusion that revenue in the memory industry will reach another all-time high. But considering the strong growth trends that underpin the industry and the progress those trends have made since 2018, I think it's reasonable to assume that this will happen at some point.There are a variety of other reasons why Micron's future growth could be steadier and more sustainable than it was in the past:75% of their revenue now comes from long term agreements based on close collaboration with customers. This is up from 10% five years ago.The memory industry has consolidated (anyone remember Sandisk, Inotera, or Elpida?), which should lead to more favorable pricing and less risk of oversupply.The adoption of capital intensive EUV manufacturing technology will make it more difficult for new entrants, especially in China where the tech is unavailable.Micron could get support from the federal government as part of the CHIPS act, which appears to be more focused on manufacturing than design (and thus not as likely to benefit Nvidia).Micron recently started paying a dividend, which indicates management's confidence that their cash flows are sustainable.RisksTo be clear, my thesis is that Micron will outperform Nvidia over the next few years, not that Nvidia's stock will decline. Great companies like Nvidia can trade at elevated multiples for a long time and I have no desire to short Nvidia. Even so, there are a couple reasons why this narrow thesis could fail and Micron could end up underperforming Nvidia.The first is that Micron's moat sources are not as strong as Nvidia's. Micron's market position has improved as a result of the factors mentioned in the previous section. Even so, it's still a relatively small player compared to Samsung despite its market leadership in some verticals like low power DRAM. This could stop Micron from driving innovations through R&D or exercising pricing power. On the other hand, Nvidia invented the GPU, owns substantial intellectual property related to it, and is the largest GPU player with the largest R&D budget.Micron has also benefitted from multiple expansion; a couple years ago it had a forward P/E of just 3. In that respect, Nvidia and Micron have both experienced a similar level of multiple expansion (about 5x). The difference is that Micron's current P/E of 14 is a reasonable multiple for a fast growing cyclical company with high teens revenue growth. Nvidia's current P/E of 93 is a reasonable multiple for a high quality company positioned to grow at 30%+ for years to come, which I doubt Nvidia (or any large cap semiconductor company) can do. Even so, both companies could be vulnerable to multiple contraction in the future. While I believe it's unlikely, Micron could benefit less from changes to its multiple than Nvidia.ConclusionBoth Micron and Nvidia are great companies, but Nvidia is probably a better company in terms of market position and margins. I would be an avid buyer of Nvidia at 40-50 P/E, a level that I admit it may not fall to for a while. 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From a purely business perspective, Nvidia&#39;s capital-light operations and market leadership make it preferable. However, at a 6x cheaper valuation, Micron is the better buy now.IntroductionNvidia&#39;s bull run over the past couple years made it by far the most valuable semiconductor company. In fact, it&#39;s now the 8th most valuable company in the world. Among semiconductor companies, only TSMC (NYSE:TSM) joins it in the top 25. This status has given Nvidia a reputation as the premier &#34;picks and shovels&#34; play of futuristic tech.It&#39;s certainly true that Nvidia isapicks and shovels play. Nvidia&#39;s GPUs - which specialize in highly parallelized computing like graphics - are increasingly important in areas like data centers, cryptocurrency mining, and self-driving cars. Companies like Meta (NASDAQ:FB) are ramping up spending in these fields, which in Meta&#39;s case reportedly includes an all-in bet on Nvidia&#39;s GPUs. Widespread demand created a shortage of Nvidia products and drove the bull run that 6xed the stock from its March 2020 lows.However, over half of that performance was driven by multiple expansion. Nvidia bottomed at 35 P/E in 2020, and now stands at nearly 100. This lofty multiple makes Nvidia look much further ahead of its semiconductor peers than it actually is.To illustrate, Micron - which at a $104B market cap and P/E of 14 has flown comparatively under the radar - actually has more revenue than Nvidia. In the last 12 months, they brought in $27.7B compared to $24.3B from Nvidia. If Nvidia&#39;s P/E was applied to Micron, it would have a $713B market cap... just 5.6% smaller than Nvidia&#39;s.From a business perspective, there&#39;s not much similarity between these two companies besides the fact that they both design semiconductors.<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/200b841ba17e382317f5508778ebf9ff\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"394\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: StatistaNvidia focuses on GPUs, a product that it invented. It has 83% market share, excluding integrated GPUs where Intel leads. This market share is partially protected by intellectual property.<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/d0ecfd56031c9bfeb18ff874dc722363\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"394\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: TECHDesignOn the other hand, Micron is a distant third in DRAM market share and only fifth in the crowded NAND space. Unlike Nvidia, Micron manufactures chips in addition to designing them and doesn&#39;t seem to have a noteworthy advantage when it comes to intellectual property.DRAM and NAND are two types of memory chips. While GPUs specialize in performing a lot of operations very quickly, memory chips focus on storing a lot of information.Memory chips are used alongside GPUs, and don&#39;t compete directly with them. Micron is partnered with Nvidia on a variety of offerings, helping both companies benefit from the same growth trends. In particular, both companies have highlighted AI, 5G, IoT, gaming, industrial, blockchain, the metaverse, and auto as areas that will drive future growth.In the rest of this article, I&#39;ll explain why Nvidia&#39;s growth rate over the past year may not be sustainable, while Micron&#39;s future growth may be even better than it was in the past.Nvidia&#39;s Growth Trajectory<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/74dbfacbd6ae03fb40883b5dfea2bbf8\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"76\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: Seeking AlphaAccording to Seeking Alpha, analysts project a 16-18% revenue and earnings CAGR for Nvidia over the next two years. For comparison, Nvidia is wrapping up a year where it will have grown earnings by about 73%.What&#39;s causing the deceleration? One place to look is prior to 2021. Between 2005 and 2020, Nvidia&#39;s revenue grew at a CAGR of 12%. Adding 2021&#39;s historic growth brings it to 14% CAGR. So analysts are projecting slightly elevated growth relative to historic levels, which I think is reasonable. This level of growth is very impressive, and it was enough for Nvidia to generate strong returns even prior to this year.This growth is also above the industry average. Since 2008, the only large cap semiconductor company with a revenue CAGR above 15% is Broadcom (NASDAQ:AVGO), which only broke this threshold due to acquisitions. Keep in mind that this is during the biggest tech bull run ever.Famous investor Peter Lynch was skeptical of any company growing faster than 20% because of the difficulty of sustaining that growth, and the lack of exceptions to this rule in the semiconductor industry seems to prove him right. (There are plenty of exceptions in software though.)At nearly 100 P/E and growing off of its largest revenue base ever, 2021 will be a difficult act for Nvidia to follow. Nvidia will have to grow significantly faster than 18% per year to justify its valuation relative to peers, since 18% growth would still put its PEG ratio above 5. If Nvidia delivers on its projected growth and trades flat for the next two years, it will have aforwardP/E of 49.It&#39;s also worth noting that semiconductor revenue is cyclical, so this isn&#39;t the first time that Nvidia has experienced strong growth. In both 2008 and 2018, Nvidia had growth of 34% of higher, but those years were followed by growth of -16% and 21% in the next year.Just to highlight one area where growth doesn&#39;t look sustainable, Nvidia benefited from the increasing popularity of cryptocurrency in 2021. Nvidia has stated that it doesn&#39;t have visibility into exactly how much demand from crypto impacts revenue, but its products are used to mine cryptocurrency like Bitcoin (BTC-USD).I&#39;m certainly not so bold as to call a top in Bitcoin, but historically it has been the case that the year after a halving has marked the start of a Bitcoin bear market. Additionally, altcoins that use proof of stake (including Ethereum, which will switch to proof of stake in 2022) have been gaining market share on Bitcoin. Proof of stake doesn&#39;t need Nvidia&#39;s GPUs because it doesn&#39;t do as much computation.Micron benefits from cryptocurrency as well, since miners need a lot of power and a lot of memory. But the market&#39;s perception seems to be that Nvidia benefits more based on the well publicized GPU shortages related to mining, which could negatively impact Nvidia&#39;s stock if Bitcoin crashes. Additionally, Micron would not be as impacted by a switch to proof of stake.Focusing only on cryptocurrency is a disservice to Nvidia&#39;s strong growth across the board. Revenue is growing rapidly in every segment:<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/dcb18bde54e264f60139107ea74aba67\" tg-width=\"945\" tg-height=\"326\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: The AuthorThese segments all have enormous potential, and that could let Nvidia continue to grow quickly for years. I&#39;m not ruling out the possibility that Nvidia beats estimates and has positive returns in 2022 or the following years. Over the long term, I have no doubt that they will continue to grow revenue and do very well. I just see better places to deploy capital now, which brings us to Micron.Micron&#39;s Growth TrajectoryMicron is no slouch either when it comes to growth. Between 2005 and 2020, their revenue had a 10% CAGR (compared to 12% for Nvidia). According to Micron, memory has been the fastest growing sub-field in semiconductors over the last two decades.<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/a2909ab175fa284b1247812cc9312e2d\" tg-width=\"930\" tg-height=\"330\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: Earnings PresentationMicron breaks down its segments a bit differently than Nvidia, but its segments are all growing quickly as well. They highlight many of the same growth drivers as Nvidia. In particular, they saw 80% growth in industrial/IoT this year, and they expect 40-50% CAGR in the auto market over the next three years.<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/1f64ca0b97d8dd38525cee5bd53299cc\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"75\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: Seeking AlphaMicron&#39;s fiscal year ends at a different time than Nvidia, so it&#39;s difficult to make head-to-head comparisons based on the estimates in the image above. But one easy point to make is that Micron&#39;s projected EPS growth in the one year ending August 2022 is 10% higher than Nvidia&#39;s projected EPS growth in the two years from January 2022 to January 2024.These are just projections and they&#39;re often wrong. But Micron&#39;s projected EPS growth is based on just 16% revenue growth, which seems like an attainable target that&#39;s only slightly higher than its historic growth rate.Ideally, an investment would be fairly valued based on earnings estimates so that a company doesn&#39;t have to wildly exceed expectations to deliver strong returns. I believe that&#39;s the case with Micron, since even using its historic 10% CAGR without factoring in this year&#39;s projected 46% growth, it has a PEG of just 1.4.Another reason why I believe Micron&#39;s growth estimates are attainable is because of where they are in the supply/demand cycle. While Nvidia&#39;s revenue is breaking records every quarter, Micron still has less revenue now than it did in 2018. This is an industry-wide issue; revenue for Micron competitor SK Hynix also peaked in 2018.It&#39;s not a foregone conclusion that revenue in the memory industry will reach another all-time high. But considering the strong growth trends that underpin the industry and the progress those trends have made since 2018, I think it&#39;s reasonable to assume that this will happen at some point.There are a variety of other reasons why Micron&#39;s future growth could be steadier and more sustainable than it was in the past:<ul><li>75% of their revenue now comes from long term agreements based on close collaboration with customers. This is up from 10% five years ago.</li><li>The memory industry has consolidated (anyone remember Sandisk, Inotera, or Elpida?), which should lead to more favorable pricing and less risk of oversupply.</li><li>The adoption of capital intensive EUV manufacturing technology will make it more difficult for new entrants, especially in China where the tech is unavailable.</li><li>Micron could get support from the federal government as part of the CHIPS act, which appears to be more focused on manufacturing than design (and thus not as likely to benefit Nvidia).</li><li>Micron recently started paying a dividend, which indicates management&#39;s confidence that their cash flows are sustainable.</li></ul>RisksTo be clear, my thesis is that Micron will outperform Nvidia over the next few years, not that Nvidia&#39;s stock will decline. Great companies like Nvidia can trade at elevated multiples for a long time and I have no desire to short Nvidia. Even so, there are a couple reasons why this narrow thesis could fail and Micron could end up underperforming Nvidia.The first is that Micron&#39;s moat sources are not as strong as Nvidia&#39;s. Micron&#39;s market position has improved as a result of the factors mentioned in the previous section. Even so, it&#39;s still a relatively small player compared to Samsung despite its market leadership in some verticals like low power DRAM. This could stop Micron from driving innovations through R&amp;D or exercising pricing power. On the other hand, Nvidia invented the GPU, owns substantial intellectual property related to it, and is the largest GPU player with the largest R&amp;D budget.Micron has also benefitted from multiple expansion; a couple years ago it had a forward P/E of just 3. In that respect, Nvidia and Micron have both experienced a similar level of multiple expansion (about 5x). The difference is that Micron&#39;s current P/E of 14 is a reasonable multiple for a fast growing cyclical company with high teens revenue growth. Nvidia&#39;s current P/E of 93 is a reasonable multiple for a high quality company positioned to grow at 30%+ for years to come, which I doubt Nvidia (or any large cap semiconductor company) can do. Even so, both companies could be vulnerable to multiple contraction in the future. While I believe it&#39;s unlikely, Micron could benefit less from changes to its multiple than Nvidia.ConclusionBoth Micron and Nvidia are great companies, but Nvidia is probably a better company in terms of market position and margins. I would be an avid buyer of Nvidia at 40-50 P/E, a level that I admit it may not fall to for a while. In the meantime, I&#39;m happy with a large position in Micron, which is an increasingly great company at a fair price.</body></html>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Nvidia's Bull Run May Continue, But Micron Is A Better Pick</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nNvidia's Bull Run May Continue, But Micron Is A Better Pick\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2022-01-05 14:39 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://seekingalpha.com/article/4477940-nvidia-nvda-mu-bull-run-may-continue-micron-better-pick>Seeking Alpha</a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\nSummaryNvidia and Micron are two semiconductor giants, but Nvidia has been a better performer and a more popular stock lately.Although Nvidia's semiconductors are irreplaceable, their past growth rate...\n\n<a href=\"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4477940-nvidia-nvda-mu-bull-run-may-continue-micron-better-pick\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"NVDA":"英伟达","MU":"美光科技"},"source_url":"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4477940-nvidia-nvda-mu-bull-run-may-continue-micron-better-pick","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1155972670","content_text":"SummaryNvidia and Micron are two semiconductor giants, but Nvidia has been a better performer and a more popular stock lately.Although Nvidia's semiconductors are irreplaceable, their past growth rate appears unsustainable.On the other hand, Micron's bull run could just be getting started, and its growth is becoming less cyclical.Jae Young Ju/iStock via Getty ImagesThesisBoth NVIDIA (NASDAQ:NVDA) and Micron (NASDAQ:MU) are semiconductor giants benefiting from strong growth trends in data centers, self-driving cars, and other high tech fields. From a purely business perspective, Nvidia's capital-light operations and market leadership make it preferable. However, at a 6x cheaper valuation, Micron is the better buy now.IntroductionNvidia's bull run over the past couple years made it by far the most valuable semiconductor company. In fact, it's now the 8th most valuable company in the world. Among semiconductor companies, only TSMC (NYSE:TSM) joins it in the top 25. This status has given Nvidia a reputation as the premier \"picks and shovels\" play of futuristic tech.It's certainly true that Nvidia isapicks and shovels play. Nvidia's GPUs - which specialize in highly parallelized computing like graphics - are increasingly important in areas like data centers, cryptocurrency mining, and self-driving cars. Companies like Meta (NASDAQ:FB) are ramping up spending in these fields, which in Meta's case reportedly includes an all-in bet on Nvidia's GPUs. Widespread demand created a shortage of Nvidia products and drove the bull run that 6xed the stock from its March 2020 lows.However, over half of that performance was driven by multiple expansion. Nvidia bottomed at 35 P/E in 2020, and now stands at nearly 100. This lofty multiple makes Nvidia look much further ahead of its semiconductor peers than it actually is.To illustrate, Micron - which at a $104B market cap and P/E of 14 has flown comparatively under the radar - actually has more revenue than Nvidia. In the last 12 months, they brought in $27.7B compared to $24.3B from Nvidia. If Nvidia's P/E was applied to Micron, it would have a $713B market cap... just 5.6% smaller than Nvidia's.From a business perspective, there's not much similarity between these two companies besides the fact that they both design semiconductors.Source: StatistaNvidia focuses on GPUs, a product that it invented. It has 83% market share, excluding integrated GPUs where Intel leads. This market share is partially protected by intellectual property.Source: TECHDesignOn the other hand, Micron is a distant third in DRAM market share and only fifth in the crowded NAND space. Unlike Nvidia, Micron manufactures chips in addition to designing them and doesn't seem to have a noteworthy advantage when it comes to intellectual property.DRAM and NAND are two types of memory chips. While GPUs specialize in performing a lot of operations very quickly, memory chips focus on storing a lot of information.Memory chips are used alongside GPUs, and don't compete directly with them. Micron is partnered with Nvidia on a variety of offerings, helping both companies benefit from the same growth trends. In particular, both companies have highlighted AI, 5G, IoT, gaming, industrial, blockchain, the metaverse, and auto as areas that will drive future growth.In the rest of this article, I'll explain why Nvidia's growth rate over the past year may not be sustainable, while Micron's future growth may be even better than it was in the past.Nvidia's Growth TrajectorySource: Seeking AlphaAccording to Seeking Alpha, analysts project a 16-18% revenue and earnings CAGR for Nvidia over the next two years. For comparison, Nvidia is wrapping up a year where it will have grown earnings by about 73%.What's causing the deceleration? One place to look is prior to 2021. Between 2005 and 2020, Nvidia's revenue grew at a CAGR of 12%. Adding 2021's historic growth brings it to 14% CAGR. So analysts are projecting slightly elevated growth relative to historic levels, which I think is reasonable. This level of growth is very impressive, and it was enough for Nvidia to generate strong returns even prior to this year.This growth is also above the industry average. Since 2008, the only large cap semiconductor company with a revenue CAGR above 15% is Broadcom (NASDAQ:AVGO), which only broke this threshold due to acquisitions. Keep in mind that this is during the biggest tech bull run ever.Famous investor Peter Lynch was skeptical of any company growing faster than 20% because of the difficulty of sustaining that growth, and the lack of exceptions to this rule in the semiconductor industry seems to prove him right. (There are plenty of exceptions in software though.)At nearly 100 P/E and growing off of its largest revenue base ever, 2021 will be a difficult act for Nvidia to follow. Nvidia will have to grow significantly faster than 18% per year to justify its valuation relative to peers, since 18% growth would still put its PEG ratio above 5. If Nvidia delivers on its projected growth and trades flat for the next two years, it will have aforwardP/E of 49.It's also worth noting that semiconductor revenue is cyclical, so this isn't the first time that Nvidia has experienced strong growth. In both 2008 and 2018, Nvidia had growth of 34% of higher, but those years were followed by growth of -16% and 21% in the next year.Just to highlight one area where growth doesn't look sustainable, Nvidia benefited from the increasing popularity of cryptocurrency in 2021. Nvidia has stated that it doesn't have visibility into exactly how much demand from crypto impacts revenue, but its products are used to mine cryptocurrency like Bitcoin (BTC-USD).I'm certainly not so bold as to call a top in Bitcoin, but historically it has been the case that the year after a halving has marked the start of a Bitcoin bear market. Additionally, altcoins that use proof of stake (including Ethereum, which will switch to proof of stake in 2022) have been gaining market share on Bitcoin. Proof of stake doesn't need Nvidia's GPUs because it doesn't do as much computation.Micron benefits from cryptocurrency as well, since miners need a lot of power and a lot of memory. But the market's perception seems to be that Nvidia benefits more based on the well publicized GPU shortages related to mining, which could negatively impact Nvidia's stock if Bitcoin crashes. Additionally, Micron would not be as impacted by a switch to proof of stake.Focusing only on cryptocurrency is a disservice to Nvidia's strong growth across the board. Revenue is growing rapidly in every segment:Source: The AuthorThese segments all have enormous potential, and that could let Nvidia continue to grow quickly for years. I'm not ruling out the possibility that Nvidia beats estimates and has positive returns in 2022 or the following years. Over the long term, I have no doubt that they will continue to grow revenue and do very well. I just see better places to deploy capital now, which brings us to Micron.Micron's Growth TrajectoryMicron is no slouch either when it comes to growth. Between 2005 and 2020, their revenue had a 10% CAGR (compared to 12% for Nvidia). According to Micron, memory has been the fastest growing sub-field in semiconductors over the last two decades.Source: Earnings PresentationMicron breaks down its segments a bit differently than Nvidia, but its segments are all growing quickly as well. They highlight many of the same growth drivers as Nvidia. In particular, they saw 80% growth in industrial/IoT this year, and they expect 40-50% CAGR in the auto market over the next three years.Source: Seeking AlphaMicron's fiscal year ends at a different time than Nvidia, so it's difficult to make head-to-head comparisons based on the estimates in the image above. But one easy point to make is that Micron's projected EPS growth in the one year ending August 2022 is 10% higher than Nvidia's projected EPS growth in the two years from January 2022 to January 2024.These are just projections and they're often wrong. But Micron's projected EPS growth is based on just 16% revenue growth, which seems like an attainable target that's only slightly higher than its historic growth rate.Ideally, an investment would be fairly valued based on earnings estimates so that a company doesn't have to wildly exceed expectations to deliver strong returns. I believe that's the case with Micron, since even using its historic 10% CAGR without factoring in this year's projected 46% growth, it has a PEG of just 1.4.Another reason why I believe Micron's growth estimates are attainable is because of where they are in the supply/demand cycle. While Nvidia's revenue is breaking records every quarter, Micron still has less revenue now than it did in 2018. This is an industry-wide issue; revenue for Micron competitor SK Hynix also peaked in 2018.It's not a foregone conclusion that revenue in the memory industry will reach another all-time high. But considering the strong growth trends that underpin the industry and the progress those trends have made since 2018, I think it's reasonable to assume that this will happen at some point.There are a variety of other reasons why Micron's future growth could be steadier and more sustainable than it was in the past:75% of their revenue now comes from long term agreements based on close collaboration with customers. This is up from 10% five years ago.The memory industry has consolidated (anyone remember Sandisk, Inotera, or Elpida?), which should lead to more favorable pricing and less risk of oversupply.The adoption of capital intensive EUV manufacturing technology will make it more difficult for new entrants, especially in China where the tech is unavailable.Micron could get support from the federal government as part of the CHIPS act, which appears to be more focused on manufacturing than design (and thus not as likely to benefit Nvidia).Micron recently started paying a dividend, which indicates management's confidence that their cash flows are sustainable.RisksTo be clear, my thesis is that Micron will outperform Nvidia over the next few years, not that Nvidia's stock will decline. Great companies like Nvidia can trade at elevated multiples for a long time and I have no desire to short Nvidia. Even so, there are a couple reasons why this narrow thesis could fail and Micron could end up underperforming Nvidia.The first is that Micron's moat sources are not as strong as Nvidia's. Micron's market position has improved as a result of the factors mentioned in the previous section. Even so, it's still a relatively small player compared to Samsung despite its market leadership in some verticals like low power DRAM. This could stop Micron from driving innovations through R&D or exercising pricing power. On the other hand, Nvidia invented the GPU, owns substantial intellectual property related to it, and is the largest GPU player with the largest R&D budget.Micron has also benefitted from multiple expansion; a couple years ago it had a forward P/E of just 3. In that respect, Nvidia and Micron have both experienced a similar level of multiple expansion (about 5x). The difference is that Micron's current P/E of 14 is a reasonable multiple for a fast growing cyclical company with high teens revenue growth. Nvidia's current P/E of 93 is a reasonable multiple for a high quality company positioned to grow at 30%+ for years to come, which I doubt Nvidia (or any large cap semiconductor company) can do. Even so, both companies could be vulnerable to multiple contraction in the future. While I believe it's unlikely, Micron could benefit less from changes to its multiple than Nvidia.ConclusionBoth Micron and Nvidia are great companies, but Nvidia is probably a better company in terms of market position and margins. I would be an avid buyer of Nvidia at 40-50 P/E, a level that I admit it may not fall to for a while. In the meantime, I'm happy with a large position in Micron, which is an increasingly great company at a fair price.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"tweetType":1,"langContent":"EN"},{"id":9008329545,"gmtCreate":1641365711476,"gmtModify":1676533606573,"author":{"id":"3566564093244423","authorId":"3566564093244423","name":"John_SG","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/df054d9816e672c0d6ca3fce6ac44861","vip":1,"crmLevel":4,"crmLevelSwitch":0},"htmlText":"All are bitcoin issue&nbsp;","listText":"All are bitcoin issue&nbsp;","text":"All are bitcoin issue","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":2,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/9008329545","repostId":1155972670,"repostType":4,"repost":{"id":"1155972670","pubTimestamp":1641364775,"share":"https://www.laohu8.com/m/news/1155972670?lang=&edition=full","pubTime":"2022-01-05 14:39","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Nvidia's Bull Run May Continue, But Micron Is A Better Pick","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1155972670","media":"Seeking Alpha","summary":"SummaryNvidia and Micron are two semiconductor giants, but Nvidia has been a better performer and a ","content":"<html><head></head><body>Summary<ul><li>Nvidia and Micron are two semiconductor giants, but Nvidia has been a better performer and a more popular stock lately.</li><li>Although Nvidia&#39;s semiconductors are irreplaceable, their past growth rate appears unsustainable.</li><li>On the other hand, Micron&#39;s bull run could just be getting started, and its growth is becoming less cyclical.</li></ul><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/6691b70fdc966ffa4fdf41f48e2288a1\" tg-width=\"1536\" tg-height=\"1024\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Jae Young Ju/iStock via Getty ImagesThesisBoth NVIDIA (NASDAQ:NVDA) and Micron (NASDAQ:MU) are semiconductor giants benefiting from strong growth trends in data centers, self-driving cars, and other high tech fields. From a purely business perspective, Nvidia&#39;s capital-light operations and market leadership make it preferable. However, at a 6x cheaper valuation, Micron is the better buy now.IntroductionNvidia&#39;s bull run over the past couple years made it by far the most valuable semiconductor company. In fact, it&#39;s now the 8th most valuable company in the world. Among semiconductor companies, only TSMC (NYSE:TSM) joins it in the top 25. This status has given Nvidia a reputation as the premier &#34;picks and shovels&#34; play of futuristic tech.It&#39;s certainly true that Nvidia isapicks and shovels play. Nvidia&#39;s GPUs - which specialize in highly parallelized computing like graphics - are increasingly important in areas like data centers, cryptocurrency mining, and self-driving cars. Companies like Meta (NASDAQ:FB) are ramping up spending in these fields, which in Meta&#39;s case reportedly includes an all-in bet on Nvidia&#39;s GPUs. Widespread demand created a shortage of Nvidia products and drove the bull run that 6xed the stock from its March 2020 lows.However, over half of that performance was driven by multiple expansion. Nvidia bottomed at 35 P/E in 2020, and now stands at nearly 100. This lofty multiple makes Nvidia look much further ahead of its semiconductor peers than it actually is.To illustrate, Micron - which at a $104B market cap and P/E of 14 has flown comparatively under the radar - actually has more revenue than Nvidia. In the last 12 months, they brought in $27.7B compared to $24.3B from Nvidia. If Nvidia&#39;s P/E was applied to Micron, it would have a $713B market cap... just 5.6% smaller than Nvidia&#39;s.From a business perspective, there&#39;s not much similarity between these two companies besides the fact that they both design semiconductors.<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/200b841ba17e382317f5508778ebf9ff\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"394\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: StatistaNvidia focuses on GPUs, a product that it invented. It has 83% market share, excluding integrated GPUs where Intel leads. This market share is partially protected by intellectual property.<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/d0ecfd56031c9bfeb18ff874dc722363\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"394\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: TECHDesignOn the other hand, Micron is a distant third in DRAM market share and only fifth in the crowded NAND space. Unlike Nvidia, Micron manufactures chips in addition to designing them and doesn&#39;t seem to have a noteworthy advantage when it comes to intellectual property.DRAM and NAND are two types of memory chips. While GPUs specialize in performing a lot of operations very quickly, memory chips focus on storing a lot of information.Memory chips are used alongside GPUs, and don&#39;t compete directly with them. Micron is partnered with Nvidia on a variety of offerings, helping both companies benefit from the same growth trends. In particular, both companies have highlighted AI, 5G, IoT, gaming, industrial, blockchain, the metaverse, and auto as areas that will drive future growth.In the rest of this article, I&#39;ll explain why Nvidia&#39;s growth rate over the past year may not be sustainable, while Micron&#39;s future growth may be even better than it was in the past.Nvidia&#39;s Growth Trajectory<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/74dbfacbd6ae03fb40883b5dfea2bbf8\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"76\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: Seeking AlphaAccording to Seeking Alpha, analysts project a 16-18% revenue and earnings CAGR for Nvidia over the next two years. For comparison, Nvidia is wrapping up a year where it will have grown earnings by about 73%.What&#39;s causing the deceleration? One place to look is prior to 2021. Between 2005 and 2020, Nvidia&#39;s revenue grew at a CAGR of 12%. Adding 2021&#39;s historic growth brings it to 14% CAGR. So analysts are projecting slightly elevated growth relative to historic levels, which I think is reasonable. This level of growth is very impressive, and it was enough for Nvidia to generate strong returns even prior to this year.This growth is also above the industry average. Since 2008, the only large cap semiconductor company with a revenue CAGR above 15% is Broadcom (NASDAQ:AVGO), which only broke this threshold due to acquisitions. Keep in mind that this is during the biggest tech bull run ever.Famous investor Peter Lynch was skeptical of any company growing faster than 20% because of the difficulty of sustaining that growth, and the lack of exceptions to this rule in the semiconductor industry seems to prove him right. (There are plenty of exceptions in software though.)At nearly 100 P/E and growing off of its largest revenue base ever, 2021 will be a difficult act for Nvidia to follow. Nvidia will have to grow significantly faster than 18% per year to justify its valuation relative to peers, since 18% growth would still put its PEG ratio above 5. If Nvidia delivers on its projected growth and trades flat for the next two years, it will have aforwardP/E of 49.It&#39;s also worth noting that semiconductor revenue is cyclical, so this isn&#39;t the first time that Nvidia has experienced strong growth. In both 2008 and 2018, Nvidia had growth of 34% of higher, but those years were followed by growth of -16% and 21% in the next year.Just to highlight one area where growth doesn&#39;t look sustainable, Nvidia benefited from the increasing popularity of cryptocurrency in 2021. Nvidia has stated that it doesn&#39;t have visibility into exactly how much demand from crypto impacts revenue, but its products are used to mine cryptocurrency like Bitcoin (BTC-USD).I&#39;m certainly not so bold as to call a top in Bitcoin, but historically it has been the case that the year after a halving has marked the start of a Bitcoin bear market. Additionally, altcoins that use proof of stake (including Ethereum, which will switch to proof of stake in 2022) have been gaining market share on Bitcoin. Proof of stake doesn&#39;t need Nvidia&#39;s GPUs because it doesn&#39;t do as much computation.Micron benefits from cryptocurrency as well, since miners need a lot of power and a lot of memory. But the market&#39;s perception seems to be that Nvidia benefits more based on the well publicized GPU shortages related to mining, which could negatively impact Nvidia&#39;s stock if Bitcoin crashes. Additionally, Micron would not be as impacted by a switch to proof of stake.Focusing only on cryptocurrency is a disservice to Nvidia&#39;s strong growth across the board. Revenue is growing rapidly in every segment:<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/dcb18bde54e264f60139107ea74aba67\" tg-width=\"945\" tg-height=\"326\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: The AuthorThese segments all have enormous potential, and that could let Nvidia continue to grow quickly for years. I&#39;m not ruling out the possibility that Nvidia beats estimates and has positive returns in 2022 or the following years. Over the long term, I have no doubt that they will continue to grow revenue and do very well. I just see better places to deploy capital now, which brings us to Micron.Micron&#39;s Growth TrajectoryMicron is no slouch either when it comes to growth. Between 2005 and 2020, their revenue had a 10% CAGR (compared to 12% for Nvidia). According to Micron, memory has been the fastest growing sub-field in semiconductors over the last two decades.<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/a2909ab175fa284b1247812cc9312e2d\" tg-width=\"930\" tg-height=\"330\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: Earnings PresentationMicron breaks down its segments a bit differently than Nvidia, but its segments are all growing quickly as well. They highlight many of the same growth drivers as Nvidia. In particular, they saw 80% growth in industrial/IoT this year, and they expect 40-50% CAGR in the auto market over the next three years.<img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/1f64ca0b97d8dd38525cee5bd53299cc\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"75\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/>Source: Seeking AlphaMicron&#39;s fiscal year ends at a different time than Nvidia, so it&#39;s difficult to make head-to-head comparisons based on the estimates in the image above. But one easy point to make is that Micron&#39;s projected EPS growth in the one year ending August 2022 is 10% higher than Nvidia&#39;s projected EPS growth in the two years from January 2022 to January 2024.These are just projections and they&#39;re often wrong. But Micron&#39;s projected EPS growth is based on just 16% revenue growth, which seems like an attainable target that&#39;s only slightly higher than its historic growth rate.Ideally, an investment would be fairly valued based on earnings estimates so that a company doesn&#39;t have to wildly exceed expectations to deliver strong returns. I believe that&#39;s the case with Micron, since even using its historic 10% CAGR without factoring in this year&#39;s projected 46% growth, it has a PEG of just 1.4.Another reason why I believe Micron&#39;s growth estimates are attainable is because of where they are in the supply/demand cycle. While Nvidia&#39;s revenue is breaking records every quarter, Micron still has less revenue now than it did in 2018. This is an industry-wide issue; revenue for Micron competitor SK Hynix also peaked in 2018.It&#39;s not a foregone conclusion that revenue in the memory industry will reach another all-time high. But considering the strong growth trends that underpin the industry and the progress those trends have made since 2018, I think it&#39;s reasonable to assume that this will happen at some point.There are a variety of other reasons why Micron&#39;s future growth could be steadier and more sustainable than it was in the past:<ul><li>75% of their revenue now comes from long term agreements based on close collaboration with customers. This is up from 10% five years ago.</li><li>The memory industry has consolidated (anyone remember Sandisk, Inotera, or Elpida?), which should lead to more favorable pricing and less risk of oversupply.</li><li>The adoption of capital intensive EUV manufacturing technology will make it more difficult for new entrants, especially in China where the tech is unavailable.</li><li>Micron could get support from the federal government as part of the CHIPS act, which appears to be more focused on manufacturing than design (and thus not as likely to benefit Nvidia).</li><li>Micron recently started paying a dividend, which indicates management&#39;s confidence that their cash flows are sustainable.</li></ul>RisksTo be clear, my thesis is that Micron will outperform Nvidia over the next few years, not that Nvidia&#39;s stock will decline. Great companies like Nvidia can trade at elevated multiples for a long time and I have no desire to short Nvidia. Even so, there are a couple reasons why this narrow thesis could fail and Micron could end up underperforming Nvidia.The first is that Micron&#39;s moat sources are not as strong as Nvidia&#39;s. Micron&#39;s market position has improved as a result of the factors mentioned in the previous section. Even so, it&#39;s still a relatively small player compared to Samsung despite its market leadership in some verticals like low power DRAM. This could stop Micron from driving innovations through R&amp;D or exercising pricing power. On the other hand, Nvidia invented the GPU, owns substantial intellectual property related to it, and is the largest GPU player with the largest R&amp;D budget.Micron has also benefitted from multiple expansion; a couple years ago it had a forward P/E of just 3. In that respect, Nvidia and Micron have both experienced a similar level of multiple expansion (about 5x). The difference is that Micron&#39;s current P/E of 14 is a reasonable multiple for a fast growing cyclical company with high teens revenue growth. Nvidia&#39;s current P/E of 93 is a reasonable multiple for a high quality company positioned to grow at 30%+ for years to come, which I doubt Nvidia (or any large cap semiconductor company) can do. Even so, both companies could be vulnerable to multiple contraction in the future. While I believe it&#39;s unlikely, Micron could benefit less from changes to its multiple than Nvidia.ConclusionBoth Micron and Nvidia are great companies, but Nvidia is probably a better company in terms of market position and margins. I would be an avid buyer of Nvidia at 40-50 P/E, a level that I admit it may not fall to for a while. In the meantime, I&#39;m happy with a large position in Micron, which is an increasingly great company at a fair price.</body></html>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Nvidia's Bull Run May Continue, But Micron Is A Better Pick</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nNvidia's Bull Run May Continue, But Micron Is A Better Pick\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2022-01-05 14:39 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://seekingalpha.com/article/4477940-nvidia-nvda-mu-bull-run-may-continue-micron-better-pick>Seeking Alpha</a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\nSummaryNvidia and Micron are two semiconductor giants, but Nvidia has been a better performer and a more popular stock lately.Although Nvidia's semiconductors are irreplaceable, their past growth rate...\n\n<a href=\"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4477940-nvidia-nvda-mu-bull-run-may-continue-micron-better-pick\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"NVDA":"英伟达","MU":"美光科技"},"source_url":"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4477940-nvidia-nvda-mu-bull-run-may-continue-micron-better-pick","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1155972670","content_text":"SummaryNvidia and Micron are two semiconductor giants, but Nvidia has been a better performer and a more popular stock lately.Although Nvidia's semiconductors are irreplaceable, their past growth rate appears unsustainable.On the other hand, Micron's bull run could just be getting started, and its growth is becoming less cyclical.Jae Young Ju/iStock via Getty ImagesThesisBoth NVIDIA (NASDAQ:NVDA) and Micron (NASDAQ:MU) are semiconductor giants benefiting from strong growth trends in data centers, self-driving cars, and other high tech fields. From a purely business perspective, Nvidia's capital-light operations and market leadership make it preferable. However, at a 6x cheaper valuation, Micron is the better buy now.IntroductionNvidia's bull run over the past couple years made it by far the most valuable semiconductor company. In fact, it's now the 8th most valuable company in the world. Among semiconductor companies, only TSMC (NYSE:TSM) joins it in the top 25. This status has given Nvidia a reputation as the premier \"picks and shovels\" play of futuristic tech.It's certainly true that Nvidia isapicks and shovels play. Nvidia's GPUs - which specialize in highly parallelized computing like graphics - are increasingly important in areas like data centers, cryptocurrency mining, and self-driving cars. Companies like Meta (NASDAQ:FB) are ramping up spending in these fields, which in Meta's case reportedly includes an all-in bet on Nvidia's GPUs. Widespread demand created a shortage of Nvidia products and drove the bull run that 6xed the stock from its March 2020 lows.However, over half of that performance was driven by multiple expansion. Nvidia bottomed at 35 P/E in 2020, and now stands at nearly 100. This lofty multiple makes Nvidia look much further ahead of its semiconductor peers than it actually is.To illustrate, Micron - which at a $104B market cap and P/E of 14 has flown comparatively under the radar - actually has more revenue than Nvidia. In the last 12 months, they brought in $27.7B compared to $24.3B from Nvidia. If Nvidia's P/E was applied to Micron, it would have a $713B market cap... just 5.6% smaller than Nvidia's.From a business perspective, there's not much similarity between these two companies besides the fact that they both design semiconductors.Source: StatistaNvidia focuses on GPUs, a product that it invented. It has 83% market share, excluding integrated GPUs where Intel leads. This market share is partially protected by intellectual property.Source: TECHDesignOn the other hand, Micron is a distant third in DRAM market share and only fifth in the crowded NAND space. Unlike Nvidia, Micron manufactures chips in addition to designing them and doesn't seem to have a noteworthy advantage when it comes to intellectual property.DRAM and NAND are two types of memory chips. While GPUs specialize in performing a lot of operations very quickly, memory chips focus on storing a lot of information.Memory chips are used alongside GPUs, and don't compete directly with them. Micron is partnered with Nvidia on a variety of offerings, helping both companies benefit from the same growth trends. In particular, both companies have highlighted AI, 5G, IoT, gaming, industrial, blockchain, the metaverse, and auto as areas that will drive future growth.In the rest of this article, I'll explain why Nvidia's growth rate over the past year may not be sustainable, while Micron's future growth may be even better than it was in the past.Nvidia's Growth TrajectorySource: Seeking AlphaAccording to Seeking Alpha, analysts project a 16-18% revenue and earnings CAGR for Nvidia over the next two years. For comparison, Nvidia is wrapping up a year where it will have grown earnings by about 73%.What's causing the deceleration? One place to look is prior to 2021. Between 2005 and 2020, Nvidia's revenue grew at a CAGR of 12%. Adding 2021's historic growth brings it to 14% CAGR. So analysts are projecting slightly elevated growth relative to historic levels, which I think is reasonable. This level of growth is very impressive, and it was enough for Nvidia to generate strong returns even prior to this year.This growth is also above the industry average. Since 2008, the only large cap semiconductor company with a revenue CAGR above 15% is Broadcom (NASDAQ:AVGO), which only broke this threshold due to acquisitions. Keep in mind that this is during the biggest tech bull run ever.Famous investor Peter Lynch was skeptical of any company growing faster than 20% because of the difficulty of sustaining that growth, and the lack of exceptions to this rule in the semiconductor industry seems to prove him right. (There are plenty of exceptions in software though.)At nearly 100 P/E and growing off of its largest revenue base ever, 2021 will be a difficult act for Nvidia to follow. Nvidia will have to grow significantly faster than 18% per year to justify its valuation relative to peers, since 18% growth would still put its PEG ratio above 5. If Nvidia delivers on its projected growth and trades flat for the next two years, it will have aforwardP/E of 49.It's also worth noting that semiconductor revenue is cyclical, so this isn't the first time that Nvidia has experienced strong growth. In both 2008 and 2018, Nvidia had growth of 34% of higher, but those years were followed by growth of -16% and 21% in the next year.Just to highlight one area where growth doesn't look sustainable, Nvidia benefited from the increasing popularity of cryptocurrency in 2021. Nvidia has stated that it doesn't have visibility into exactly how much demand from crypto impacts revenue, but its products are used to mine cryptocurrency like Bitcoin (BTC-USD).I'm certainly not so bold as to call a top in Bitcoin, but historically it has been the case that the year after a halving has marked the start of a Bitcoin bear market. Additionally, altcoins that use proof of stake (including Ethereum, which will switch to proof of stake in 2022) have been gaining market share on Bitcoin. Proof of stake doesn't need Nvidia's GPUs because it doesn't do as much computation.Micron benefits from cryptocurrency as well, since miners need a lot of power and a lot of memory. But the market's perception seems to be that Nvidia benefits more based on the well publicized GPU shortages related to mining, which could negatively impact Nvidia's stock if Bitcoin crashes. Additionally, Micron would not be as impacted by a switch to proof of stake.Focusing only on cryptocurrency is a disservice to Nvidia's strong growth across the board. Revenue is growing rapidly in every segment:Source: The AuthorThese segments all have enormous potential, and that could let Nvidia continue to grow quickly for years. I'm not ruling out the possibility that Nvidia beats estimates and has positive returns in 2022 or the following years. Over the long term, I have no doubt that they will continue to grow revenue and do very well. I just see better places to deploy capital now, which brings us to Micron.Micron's Growth TrajectoryMicron is no slouch either when it comes to growth. Between 2005 and 2020, their revenue had a 10% CAGR (compared to 12% for Nvidia). According to Micron, memory has been the fastest growing sub-field in semiconductors over the last two decades.Source: Earnings PresentationMicron breaks down its segments a bit differently than Nvidia, but its segments are all growing quickly as well. They highlight many of the same growth drivers as Nvidia. In particular, they saw 80% growth in industrial/IoT this year, and they expect 40-50% CAGR in the auto market over the next three years.Source: Seeking AlphaMicron's fiscal year ends at a different time than Nvidia, so it's difficult to make head-to-head comparisons based on the estimates in the image above. But one easy point to make is that Micron's projected EPS growth in the one year ending August 2022 is 10% higher than Nvidia's projected EPS growth in the two years from January 2022 to January 2024.These are just projections and they're often wrong. But Micron's projected EPS growth is based on just 16% revenue growth, which seems like an attainable target that's only slightly higher than its historic growth rate.Ideally, an investment would be fairly valued based on earnings estimates so that a company doesn't have to wildly exceed expectations to deliver strong returns. I believe that's the case with Micron, since even using its historic 10% CAGR without factoring in this year's projected 46% growth, it has a PEG of just 1.4.Another reason why I believe Micron's growth estimates are attainable is because of where they are in the supply/demand cycle. While Nvidia's revenue is breaking records every quarter, Micron still has less revenue now than it did in 2018. This is an industry-wide issue; revenue for Micron competitor SK Hynix also peaked in 2018.It's not a foregone conclusion that revenue in the memory industry will reach another all-time high. But considering the strong growth trends that underpin the industry and the progress those trends have made since 2018, I think it's reasonable to assume that this will happen at some point.There are a variety of other reasons why Micron's future growth could be steadier and more sustainable than it was in the past:75% of their revenue now comes from long term agreements based on close collaboration with customers. This is up from 10% five years ago.The memory industry has consolidated (anyone remember Sandisk, Inotera, or Elpida?), which should lead to more favorable pricing and less risk of oversupply.The adoption of capital intensive EUV manufacturing technology will make it more difficult for new entrants, especially in China where the tech is unavailable.Micron could get support from the federal government as part of the CHIPS act, which appears to be more focused on manufacturing than design (and thus not as likely to benefit Nvidia).Micron recently started paying a dividend, which indicates management's confidence that their cash flows are sustainable.RisksTo be clear, my thesis is that Micron will outperform Nvidia over the next few years, not that Nvidia's stock will decline. Great companies like Nvidia can trade at elevated multiples for a long time and I have no desire to short Nvidia. Even so, there are a couple reasons why this narrow thesis could fail and Micron could end up underperforming Nvidia.The first is that Micron's moat sources are not as strong as Nvidia's. Micron's market position has improved as a result of the factors mentioned in the previous section. Even so, it's still a relatively small player compared to Samsung despite its market leadership in some verticals like low power DRAM. This could stop Micron from driving innovations through R&D or exercising pricing power. On the other hand, Nvidia invented the GPU, owns substantial intellectual property related to it, and is the largest GPU player with the largest R&D budget.Micron has also benefitted from multiple expansion; a couple years ago it had a forward P/E of just 3. In that respect, Nvidia and Micron have both experienced a similar level of multiple expansion (about 5x). The difference is that Micron's current P/E of 14 is a reasonable multiple for a fast growing cyclical company with high teens revenue growth. Nvidia's current P/E of 93 is a reasonable multiple for a high quality company positioned to grow at 30%+ for years to come, which I doubt Nvidia (or any large cap semiconductor company) can do. Even so, both companies could be vulnerable to multiple contraction in the future. While I believe it's unlikely, Micron could benefit less from changes to its multiple than Nvidia.ConclusionBoth Micron and Nvidia are great companies, but Nvidia is probably a better company in terms of market position and margins. I would be an avid buyer of Nvidia at 40-50 P/E, a level that I admit it may not fall to for a while. In the meantime, I'm happy with a large position in Micron, which is an increasingly great company at a fair price.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"tweetType":1,"langContent":"EN"}],"hasMoreComments":true,"newsSizeData":{"likeSize":43,"commentSize":9,"repostSize":0,"favoriteSize":0,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false}}