NIO Is Not The Next Tesla

Seeking Alpha2023-09-07

NIO faces challenges in the near and intermediate term due to a sluggish Chinese economy, rising costs, lower margins, increased competition, and Tesla's dominance.NIO's Q2 earnings missed consensus ...

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Lolollol
·2023-09-07
Can buy under $10-9
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Ng Wee Guan
·2023-09-07
Very narrow view of the whole business model. Author did not take into consideration of Nio sub model business, battery swapping revenue, battery reliability issues and related impact cost of changing battery, total service package & etc. Tesla models after Ford business model for economy of scale so you have limited range of products. Tesla looks like selling on hype. Nio is positioned in the premium category and you won't see explosive sales volume for high end product. Cutting price for short term profit won't last long for a company. When company goes into price war that makes me worried. You won't see LV bags going for huge discount. The same analogy goes for this case
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- FGP:
  Well said. Some w/o thinking juz said these is a joke comparing NiO to Tesla 🤭
  2023-09-07
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BryanTJj
·2023-09-07
No one say it is. NIO is a joke! How can it be compared with Tesla XD
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- Yonhuat:
  I remember back in 2012. Many said tesla was a joke too
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Gerardngo
·2023-09-07
Joke by comparing against Tesla right now. They each run separately in their own race.
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King19
·2023-09-07
So the real qns is... are you a speculator or an investor? Are you looking at 2-5 months or 2-5years??
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NI0
·2023-09-07
NIO to 💯..... buy under 11... good price!
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王三岁m
·2023-09-07
Ah seeking alpha the nio basher .....
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FGP
·2023-09-07
Did NiO ever published or mentioned they wanted to be next Tesla? If yes, please provide details. Else kindly keep your assumptions to yourself, thank you🙏
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- FGP:
  TQ, have to believe in NiO else so many instituitions pump millions or billions into NiO. Furthermore, already achieving 20k monthly deliveries
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- NI0:
  i had to agreed with you.. we are in a same boat… NIO to 100 soon….
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(NYSE:NIO) is an exciting pure EV company out of China. I've been bullish on NIO due to its innovative vehicles, growth prospects, and future profitability potential. Moreover, due to its higher-end EV market position, production capacity, and other factors, I've often said that NIO is the closest pure EV competitor that Tesla (TSLA) has.However, despite NIO's considerable long-term growth and profitability potential, the company may face challenges in the near and intermediate term. NIO's problems could persist for several reasons, including a sluggish Chinese economy, rising costs, lower margins, increased competition, and other variables. Nevertheless, a primary concern for NIO is Tesla. Tesla has illustrated that it can drop vehicle prices while maintaining high profitability, taking market share from NIO and other EV manufacturers.Unfortunately for NIO, it cannot drop prices low enough to effectively compete with Tesla because of Tesla's economies of scale advantage and other factors. Therefore, NIO could continue struggling as we move forward. Moreover, NIO's recent earnings announcement showed the company missing top and bottom-line consensus estimates, putting the company's outlook into question. Additionally, NIO's margins continue deteriorating, and uncertainty surrounds its stock. Due to the increased transparency, NIO's risk/reward ratio has fallen, and I'm taking down my buy rating on its stock, transitioning to a hold instead.Technically - Could Rally In The Near TermNIO (StockCharts.com)I won't deny it. Technically, NIO's chart appears bullish in the near term here. The stock likely put in a long-term bottom around the $7 level, staging a robust rally to around $16 before dropping back to the $10 range. We recently witnessed the 50-day MA move above the 200-day MA, a bullish technical signal. We also see a possible basing platform around the $10 support, implying we may see a rally in the near term. Nevertheless, this stock remains highly uncertain for the long term despite the near-term positives.NIO's Missing Numbers - Puts Outlook in QuestionNIO recently reported Q2 Non-GAAP EPADS of -$0.45, missing the four-cent consensus number. Moreover, it reported revenue of $1.21B, a $60M miss, and a 14.8% YoY decrease. Q2 deliveries came in at 23,520 vehicles, a 6.1% YoY decrease. Q2 vehicle sales came in at about $991M, representing a 25% YoY decline. Vehicle margin was only 6.2%, a staggering drop from the 16.7% in the same quarter last year.NIO's Staggering $828 Million LossAdditionally, NIO's gross margin crashed to just 1% from 13% in the same quarter last year. NIO's Q2 net loss widened to more than 6 billion Yuan, equating to a staggering quarterly loss of $828 million. Unfortunately, this massive loss isn't new for the company, as NIO's TTM loss is close to $3 billion. NIO produced about $6 billion in revenues during the same time frame. Thus, the $64,000 question is, when will NIO become profitable?The answer is no time soon. Moreover, a capital raise could come shortly. Therefore, there's likely dilution in NIO's future, implying the stock could fall or stay range bound longer-term. Moreover, I wonder if NIO can effectively compete with Tesla in the long run.NIO's Massive Tesla ProblemTesla dominates China's higher-end EV segment. Tesla recorded more than 84,000 unit sales last month (August). This sales increase represents a 31% YoY surge for Tesla, bringing its YTD vehicles sold in China to about 625,000. NIO delivered 19,329 in August, bringing its YTD vehicle sales count to 94,352. However, management is guiding to sales of 15-17K in September. Therefore, we're seeing NIO's order book slowing down, and NIO needs many more sales (200-300K annually) to have a chance to be profitable. Tesla's position is so prominent in China that NIO may find it challenging to compete effectively in the long run.What Would You Buy - Tesla or NIO?NIO's popular ET5 sedan starts at about $46,100, and the price can climb into the $50-$60K range quickly once options are added. NIO's EC6 (Model Y competitor) starts at about $52,400, and the price can surge into the $60-$70K range with options. In contrast, the Model Y starts at only $41,000 in China and has (arguably) more advanced technologies and better engineering. Due to Tesla's remarkable ability to control prices, its mass-market vehicles are far more affordable than its prime competitor in China. Therefore, NIO's recent sales improvement may be temporary, and Tesla could continue taking NIO's market share as we advance. NIO can have a niche place in the EV market, but whether it can become mainstream and profitable remains to be seen. Therefore, I need more certainty as an investor here. Until then, I would rather own Tesla's stock instead.NIO: Is It Worth The Risk?NIO is an increased-risk investment because it is a Chinese company. However, NIO is even riskier because it's a highly unprofitable Chinese company. There is the added risk of unrelenting competition from Tesla and other profitable higher-end EV automakers. Moreover, some market participants have raised questions regarding NIO's accounting practices, pointing to a \"Philidor\" like entity (Wuhan Weineng) inflating NIO's revenues and profitability in recent years. Therefore, we have an additional risk of accounting irregularities with NIO. As an investor, why do I need to take such risks? To see NIO succeed? The company may grow in the long run, and its share price could go much higher in the coming years. Nevertheless, there is also an inflated risk of sideways price action and failure, which makes NIO a less attractive investment long-term. 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Author did not take into consideration of Nio sub model business, battery swapping revenue, battery reliability issues and related impact cost of changing battery, total service package &amp; etc. Tesla models after Ford business model for economy of scale so you have limited range of products. Tesla looks like selling on hype. Nio is positioned in the premium category&nbsp;and you won't see explosive sales volume for high end product. Cutting price for short term profit won't last long for a company. When company goes into price war that makes me worried. You won't see LV bags going for huge discount. The same analogy goes for this case","listText":"Very narrow view of the whole business model. Author did not take into consideration of Nio sub model business, battery swapping revenue, battery reliability issues and related impact cost of changing battery, total service package &amp; etc. Tesla models after Ford business model for economy of scale so you have limited range of products. Tesla looks like selling on hype. Nio is positioned in the premium category&nbsp;and you won't see explosive sales volume for high end product. Cutting price for short term profit won't last long for a company. When company goes into price war that makes me worried. You won't see LV bags going for huge discount. The same analogy goes for this case","text":"Very narrow view of the whole business model. Author did not take into consideration of Nio sub model business, battery swapping revenue, battery reliability issues and related impact cost of changing battery, total service package & etc. Tesla models after Ford business model for economy of scale so you have limited range of products. Tesla looks like selling on hype. Nio is positioned in the premium category and you won't see explosive sales volume for high end product. Cutting price for short term profit won't last long for a company. When company goes into price war that makes me worried. You won't see LV bags going for huge discount. The same analogy goes for this case","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":4,"commentSize":1,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/217255589728376","repostId":2365985077,"repostType":2,"isVote":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"tweetType":1,"comments":[{"id":106519914,"gmtCreate":1694071754641,"gmtModify":1694071762192,"authorId":3584079457608282,"author":{"id":3584079457608282,"idStr":"3584079457608282","authorId":3584079457608282,"name":"FGP","avatar":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/4f96275867e9fcc09f90747c0edcd143","vip":1,"currentWearingBadge":{"badgeId":"972123088c9646f7b6091ae0662215be-3","templateUuid":"972123088c9646f7b6091ae0662215be","name":"Legendary Trader","description":"Total number of securities or futures transactions reached 300","bigImgUrl":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/656db16598a0b8f21429e10d6c1cb033","smallImgUrl":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/03f10910d4dd9234f9b5702a3342193a","grayImgUrl":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/0c767e35268feb729d50d3fa9a386c5a","redirectLinkEnabled":0,"hasAllocated":1,"isWearing":1,"stampPosition":0,"hasStamp":0,"allocationCount":1,"allocatedDate":"2021.12.21","exceedPercentage":"93.93%","individualDisplayEnabled":0,"individualDisplaySort":0,"categoryType":1100},"crmLevel":9,"crmLevelSwitch":1,"individualDisplayBadges":[]},"repliedAuthorId":0,"objectId":217255589728376,"type":1,"supId":0,"prevId":0,"content":"Well said. Some w/o thinking juz said these is a joke comparing NiO to Tesla 🤭","text":"Well said. Some w/o thinking juz said these is a joke comparing NiO to Tesla 🤭","html":"Well said. Some w/o thinking juz said these is a joke comparing NiO to Tesla 🤭"}],"langContent":"EN"},{"id":217250933727400,"gmtCreate":1694062984855,"gmtModify":1694062989635,"author":{"id":"3571724228863411","authorId":"3571724228863411","name":"BryanTJj","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/34e167e599ec0ff6b241d98f2b4bd016","vip":1,"hat":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/b0a2963eb37c60c5d6d4a8dbcd266952","crmLevel":3,"crmLevelSwitch":1,"authorIdStr":"3571724228863411","idStr":"3571724228863411"},"htmlText":"No one say it is.&nbsp;NIO is a joke! How can it be compared with Tesla XD","listText":"No one say it is.&nbsp;NIO is a joke! How can it be compared with Tesla XD","text":"No one say it is. NIO is a joke! How can it be compared with Tesla XD","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":2,"commentSize":1,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/217250933727400","repostId":2365985077,"repostType":2,"isVote":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"tweetType":1,"comments":[{"id":106520011,"gmtCreate":1694078750566,"gmtModify":1694078758232,"authorId":4097900715273400,"author":{"id":4097900715273400,"idStr":"4097900715273400","authorId":4097900715273400,"name":"Yonhuat","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/a4ab9f0ed4305d88e3767c39675cedf3","vip":1,"currentWearingBadge":{"badgeId":"44212b71d0be4ec88898348dbe882e03-3","templateUuid":"44212b71d0be4ec88898348dbe882e03","name":"President Tiger","description":"The transaction amount of the securities account reaches $1,000,000","bigImgUrl":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/fbeac6bb240db7da8b972e5183d050ba","smallImgUrl":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/436cdf80292b99f0a992e78750ac4e3a","grayImgUrl":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/506a259a7b456f037592c3b23c779599","redirectLinkEnabled":0,"hasAllocated":1,"isWearing":1,"stampPosition":0,"hasStamp":0,"allocationCount":1,"allocatedDate":"2021.12.24","exceedPercentage":"93.96%","individualDisplayEnabled":0,"individualDisplaySort":0,"categoryType":1101},"crmLevel":6,"crmLevelSwitch":1,"individualDisplayBadges":[]},"repliedAuthorId":0,"objectId":217250933727400,"type":1,"supId":0,"prevId":0,"content":"I remember back in 2012. Many said tesla was a joke too","text":"I remember back in 2012. Many said tesla was a joke too","html":"I remember back in 2012. Many said tesla was a joke too"}],"langContent":"EN"},{"id":217249846050920,"gmtCreate":1694062709616,"gmtModify":1694062713834,"author":{"id":"3574891504712210","authorId":"3574891504712210","name":"Gerardngo","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/6c41063ae779ed653ae67917a0bf7568","vip":1,"hat":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/b073a07f77dbe6b3bec6b12311fde6bd","crmLevel":3,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"authorIdStr":"3574891504712210","idStr":"3574891504712210"},"htmlText":"Joke by comparing against Tesla right now. They each run separately in their own race.&nbsp;","listText":"Joke by comparing against Tesla right now. They each run separately in their own race.&nbsp;","text":"Joke by comparing against Tesla right now. They each run separately in their own race.","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":2,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/217249846050920","repostId":2365985077,"repostType":2,"isVote":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"tweetType":1,"langContent":"EN"},{"id":217247603245144,"gmtCreate":1694062279028,"gmtModify":1694062284850,"author":{"id":"4088135301967120","authorId":"4088135301967120","name":"King19","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","vip":1,"crmLevel":7,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"authorIdStr":"4088135301967120","idStr":"4088135301967120"},"htmlText":"So the real qns is... are you a speculator or an investor? Are you looking at 2-5 months or 2-5years??","listText":"So the real qns is... are you a speculator or an investor? Are you looking at 2-5 months or 2-5years??","text":"So the real qns is... are you a speculator or an investor? Are you looking at 2-5 months or 2-5years??","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":4,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/217247603245144","repostId":2365985077,"repostType":2,"isVote":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"tweetType":1,"langContent":"EN"},{"id":217247060553888,"gmtCreate":1694062189168,"gmtModify":1694062193392,"author":{"id":"4096106909775100","authorId":"4096106909775100","name":"NI0","avatar":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/0c6b973cfa1cde8030c7812630029a00","vip":1,"crmLevel":2,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"authorIdStr":"4096106909775100","idStr":"4096106909775100"},"htmlText":"NIO to 💯..... buy under 11... good price!&nbsp;","listText":"NIO to 💯..... buy under 11... good price!&nbsp;","text":"NIO to 💯..... buy under 11... good price!","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":2,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/217247060553888","repostId":2365985077,"repostType":2,"isVote":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"tweetType":1,"langContent":"EN"},{"id":217246588887120,"gmtCreate":1694062057882,"gmtModify":1694062062521,"author":{"id":"3577857198559418","authorId":"3577857198559418","name":"王三岁m","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/747d0092512e0b11cb72685285342d97","vip":1,"crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"authorIdStr":"3577857198559418","idStr":"3577857198559418"},"htmlText":"Ah seeking alpha the nio basher .....","listText":"Ah seeking alpha the nio basher .....","text":"Ah seeking alpha the nio basher .....","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":1,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/217246588887120","repostId":2365985077,"repostType":2,"isVote":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"tweetType":1,"langContent":"EN"},{"id":217227092521208,"gmtCreate":1694057165403,"gmtModify":1694057170556,"author":{"id":"3584079457608282","authorId":"3584079457608282","name":"FGP","avatar":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/4f96275867e9fcc09f90747c0edcd143","vip":1,"hat":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/a3dee1aa3a3a3c1814833a4d3f8a5669","crmLevel":9,"crmLevelSwitch":1,"authorIdStr":"3584079457608282","idStr":"3584079457608282"},"htmlText":"Did NiO ever published or mentioned they wanted to be next Tesla? 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