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Palantir’s Q3 2024 revenue is expected to fall between $697 million and $701 million, indicating roughly 26% year-over-year growth.Free cash flow margins remain solid, and capital expenditures are low...

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Let's look at how differences in growth, margins, and valuation metrics impact potential returns.As you can see, the path to annual returns greater than expected annual returns is likely to narrow at this time. Moreover, although close, Palantir has not yet demonstrated an ability to sustain 30% YoY revenue growth and 30% FCF margins. I believe these figures are major inflection points (look at how the EV jumps from $62B to $99.8B). It's also important to note that stock returns are also dependent on how the market perceives the stock (P/FCF), which is inherently unpredictable and can drastically change at a moment's notice. It also depends on external factors such as the economy and sector trends, but one can assume PLTR will continue to trade at a premium so long as its revenue growth outpaces the sector median of 6.19%.Looking ahead to Q3 earnings, Palantir will need to continue to show rapid growth in the commercial segment. 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Rather, I am more interested in determining what implicit assumptions about Palantir&#39;s future growth and profitability the market currently has. In order to find out, I&#39;ve conducted a discounted cash flow [DCF] analysis on Palantir. This involves (1) projecting free cash flows for 8 years with expected growth rates, (2) estimating the value of all future cash flows beyond year 8 using the terminal growth rate, and (3) discounting both the projected cash flows and the terminal value back to the present value using the discount rate (CAPM). Let&#39;s walk through it.</p><p>First, let&#39;s look at analyst expectations for Palantir in 2025.</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/027dcd5882e190c9e249a730cf35a0fe\" data-align=\"center\" tg-width=\"250\" tg-height=\"124\"/><span></span></p><p></p><p>The free cash flow and FCF margin are implied by Palantir&#39;s market capitalization and P/FCF. Judging by historical performance (in the trailing twelve months, Palantir&#39;s FCF margin was 28.09%), these results are probably the bare minimum of what Palantir will achieve next year.</p><p>Next, I have to determine what growth rate and FCF margin give us a total estimated value that is similar to Palantir&#39;s current valuation. This reveals the implicit assumptions the market is making about Palantir&#39;s future. From there, readers can determine whether or not they think these expectations are reasonable.</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/15c570bac32165cfa868dabb3b848b61\" data-align=\"center\" tg-width=\"309\" tg-height=\"264\"/><span></span></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/c09d02a2e3247b4df98fbefac9b5e9f6\" data-align=\"center\" tg-width=\"250\" tg-height=\"61\"/><span></span></p><p></p><p>This actually wasn&#39;t difficult to ascertain because this is what Palantir is nearing (30% revenue growth and FCF margins). From this perspective, Palantir&#39;s valuation does not appear ludicrous. Instead, the mystery surrounds whether or not the company has the goods to deliver such results over an extended period of time. By doing so, Palantir would join very rare company - the likes of NVIDIA Corporation (NVDA), Tesla, Inc. (TSLA), Alphabet Inc. (GOOGL), Amazon.com, Inc. (AMZN), and <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/META\">Meta Platforms, Inc.</a> (META). These companies did not achieve sustained 30%+ revenue growth by mistake; they benefited from significant network effects, scalable business models, international expansion, and entry into new high-growth markets.</p><p>In Q2, Palantir&#39;s $678.13 million in revenue beat by $25.71 million and represented 27.15% YoY growth. The beat was due, in large part, to Palantir&#39;s massive US commercial growth. Recall that Palantir provides data analytics and software platforms to help organizations integrate, analyze, and visualize vast amounts of data. Its government platform, Gotham, is focused on defense and intelligence. As we have seen in the past with applications such as the internet, GPS, drones, and microwaves, technology that was initially used by the government can later be found to be useful in the market. The same appears to be occurring with Palantir&#39;s Foundry, which is intended for commercial enterprises and includes big-name clients like BP, Ferrari, and Merck, spanning many industries (energy, automotive, and pharmaceuticals, respectively). Indeed, Palantir&#39;s US commercial revenue increased 55% year-on-year. Furthermore, the government continues to find applications for Gotham, with revenues increasing 23% YoY. Cash from operations totaled $144.2 million. Capital expenditures remain low at $2.9 million. This is good for a GAAP FCF margin of 20.8% (Palantir&#39;s &#34;adjusted&#34; FCF margin was 22%). Recall that <em>FCF margin = (operating cash flow - CapEx / revenue) x 100</em>. Palantir&#39;s low CapEx is partially attributed to the nature of their software-centric business and dependency on third-party cloud infrastructures like AWS and Azure.</p><p>Palantir is expected to announce Q3 earnings on 11/4 (post-market). The current revenue estimate is $704 million with an EPS of $0.04. This would represent YoY revenue growth of 26.2%. Recall that Palantir guided Q3 revenue between $697 million and $701 million.</p><h2>Financial Health</h2><p>As of June 30, Palantir reported $512.659 million in cash and cash equivalents. Marketable securities totaled $3.485 billion. Total current assets were $4.773 billion, while total current liabilities were just $806.919 million. This implies a current ratio well over 2.0, which indicates that the company can readily cover any short-term obligations. The company is without significant long-term debt.</p><p>They are profitable and enjoy superior margins.</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/c0f8a4dfca23c3e72696a291d661c279\" data-align=\"center\" tg-width=\"309\" tg-height=\"77\"/><span></span></p><p></p><p>Here&#39;s a look at some key trends during the past few years:</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/eac99682270e81a7a58189df394e75cf\" data-align=\"center\" tg-width=\"635\" tg-height=\"456\"/><span></span></p><p></p><h2><strong>PLTR Stock: High Expectations, Narrow Path to Outperformance</strong></h2><p>Now valued at over $100 billion, PLTR is priced for significant performance. For PLTR to be a worthwhile investment, it has to outperform its expected annual return (derived from CAPM) of 10.29%. Let&#39;s look at how differences in growth, margins, and valuation metrics impact potential returns.</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/af3dba358973b3749bb50c7fa644875b\" data-align=\"center\" tg-width=\"493\" tg-height=\"212\"/><span></span></p><p>As you can see, the path to <em>annual returns greater than expected annual returns</em> is likely to narrow at this time. Moreover, although close, Palantir has not yet demonstrated an ability to sustain 30% YoY revenue growth and 30% FCF margins. I believe these figures are major inflection points (look at how the EV jumps from $62B to $99.8B). It&#39;s also important to note that stock returns are also dependent on how the market <em>perceives</em> the stock (P/FCF), which is inherently unpredictable and can drastically change at a moment&#39;s notice. It also depends on external factors such as the economy and sector trends, but one can assume PLTR will continue to trade at a premium so long as its revenue growth outpaces the sector median of 6.19%.</p><p>Looking ahead to Q3 earnings, Palantir will need to continue to show rapid growth in the commercial segment. Growth in this segment is critical for diversifying its revenue base beyond government contracts and establishing a stronger presence in high-margin industries such as healthcare, energy, and finance, where they presumably have greater pricing power. This expansion is critical for justifying its premium multiples, particularly as competition in the AI and big data analytics space heats up. Competitors in the enterprise AI and analytics space include <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/SNOW\">Snowflake</a> Inc. (SNOW) and Databricks, alongside giants like Amazon, <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/IBM\">IBM</a>, Google, and Microsoft. Notably, companies like Google and Microsoft have the benefit of being more &#34;vertically integrated&#34; than Palantir due to their ownership of cloud infrastructure. This grants them a distinct competitive edge in cost control, scalability, and end-to-end service integration across products. Palantir does have the benefits of network effects (where the system&#39;s effectiveness grows with time and scale), reputation (from dealing with sensitive, high-stakes data problems), and AI expertise to become the next &#34;super company,&#34; and the stock rally could, feasibly, still be in its early stages. However, until the company demonstrates the ability to deliver the growth and margins required to sustain such a lofty valuation, I believe it is best to proceed with caution (&#34;hold&#34;) until, ironically, we have more data available.</p></body></html>","source":"seekingalpha","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Palantir: High Expectations, Narrow Path To Outperformance</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nPalantir: High Expectations, Narrow Path To Outperformance\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2024-10-29 14:17 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://seekingalpha.com/article/4730204-palantir-high-expectations-narrow-path-to-outperformance><strong>seekingalpha</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>Palantir’s Q3 2024 revenue is expected to fall between $697 million and $701 million, indicating roughly 26% year-over-year growth.Free cash flow margins remain solid, and capital expenditures are low...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4730204-palantir-high-expectations-narrow-path-to-outperformance\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"PLTR":"Palantir Technologies Inc."},"source_url":"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4730204-palantir-high-expectations-narrow-path-to-outperformance","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/5a36db9d73b4222bc376d24ccc48c8a4","article_id":"2479434466","content_text":"Palantir’s Q3 2024 revenue is expected to fall between $697 million and $701 million, indicating roughly 26% year-over-year growth.Free cash flow margins remain solid, and capital expenditures are low due to Palantir's software-focused business model.Palantir’s continued expansion in the commercial sector, especially in healthcare and finance, is crucial for sustaining revenue growth.The strongest case against Palantir is its high valuation, which requires sustained 30%+ revenue growth to justify.I recommend holding Palantir stock until it demonstrates consistent growth in both revenue and free cash flow to justify its premium valuation.Judging by its underlying metrics, Palantir Technologies Inc. (NYSE:PLTR) is vastly \"overvalued.\"However, this does not say much or provide any insight. Rather, I am more interested in determining what implicit assumptions about Palantir's future growth and profitability the market currently has. In order to find out, I've conducted a discounted cash flow [DCF] analysis on Palantir. This involves (1) projecting free cash flows for 8 years with expected growth rates, (2) estimating the value of all future cash flows beyond year 8 using the terminal growth rate, and (3) discounting both the projected cash flows and the terminal value back to the present value using the discount rate (CAPM). Let's walk through it.First, let's look at analyst expectations for Palantir in 2025.The free cash flow and FCF margin are implied by Palantir's market capitalization and P/FCF. Judging by historical performance (in the trailing twelve months, Palantir's FCF margin was 28.09%), these results are probably the bare minimum of what Palantir will achieve next year.Next, I have to determine what growth rate and FCF margin give us a total estimated value that is similar to Palantir's current valuation. This reveals the implicit assumptions the market is making about Palantir's future. From there, readers can determine whether or not they think these expectations are reasonable.This actually wasn't difficult to ascertain because this is what Palantir is nearing (30% revenue growth and FCF margins). From this perspective, Palantir's valuation does not appear ludicrous. Instead, the mystery surrounds whether or not the company has the goods to deliver such results over an extended period of time. By doing so, Palantir would join very rare company - the likes of NVIDIA Corporation (NVDA), Tesla, Inc. (TSLA), Alphabet Inc. (GOOGL), Amazon.com, Inc. (AMZN), and Meta Platforms, Inc. (META). These companies did not achieve sustained 30%+ revenue growth by mistake; they benefited from significant network effects, scalable business models, international expansion, and entry into new high-growth markets.In Q2, Palantir's $678.13 million in revenue beat by $25.71 million and represented 27.15% YoY growth. The beat was due, in large part, to Palantir's massive US commercial growth. Recall that Palantir provides data analytics and software platforms to help organizations integrate, analyze, and visualize vast amounts of data. Its government platform, Gotham, is focused on defense and intelligence. As we have seen in the past with applications such as the internet, GPS, drones, and microwaves, technology that was initially used by the government can later be found to be useful in the market. The same appears to be occurring with Palantir's Foundry, which is intended for commercial enterprises and includes big-name clients like BP, Ferrari, and Merck, spanning many industries (energy, automotive, and pharmaceuticals, respectively). Indeed, Palantir's US commercial revenue increased 55% year-on-year. Furthermore, the government continues to find applications for Gotham, with revenues increasing 23% YoY. Cash from operations totaled $144.2 million. Capital expenditures remain low at $2.9 million. This is good for a GAAP FCF margin of 20.8% (Palantir's \"adjusted\" FCF margin was 22%). Recall that FCF margin = (operating cash flow - CapEx / revenue) x 100. Palantir's low CapEx is partially attributed to the nature of their software-centric business and dependency on third-party cloud infrastructures like AWS and Azure.Palantir is expected to announce Q3 earnings on 11/4 (post-market). The current revenue estimate is $704 million with an EPS of $0.04. This would represent YoY revenue growth of 26.2%. Recall that Palantir guided Q3 revenue between $697 million and $701 million.Financial HealthAs of June 30, Palantir reported $512.659 million in cash and cash equivalents. Marketable securities totaled $3.485 billion. Total current assets were $4.773 billion, while total current liabilities were just $806.919 million. This implies a current ratio well over 2.0, which indicates that the company can readily cover any short-term obligations. The company is without significant long-term debt.They are profitable and enjoy superior margins.Here's a look at some key trends during the past few years:PLTR Stock: High Expectations, Narrow Path to OutperformanceNow valued at over $100 billion, PLTR is priced for significant performance. For PLTR to be a worthwhile investment, it has to outperform its expected annual return (derived from CAPM) of 10.29%. Let's look at how differences in growth, margins, and valuation metrics impact potential returns.As you can see, the path to annual returns greater than expected annual returns is likely to narrow at this time. Moreover, although close, Palantir has not yet demonstrated an ability to sustain 30% YoY revenue growth and 30% FCF margins. I believe these figures are major inflection points (look at how the EV jumps from $62B to $99.8B). It's also important to note that stock returns are also dependent on how the market perceives the stock (P/FCF), which is inherently unpredictable and can drastically change at a moment's notice. It also depends on external factors such as the economy and sector trends, but one can assume PLTR will continue to trade at a premium so long as its revenue growth outpaces the sector median of 6.19%.Looking ahead to Q3 earnings, Palantir will need to continue to show rapid growth in the commercial segment. Growth in this segment is critical for diversifying its revenue base beyond government contracts and establishing a stronger presence in high-margin industries such as healthcare, energy, and finance, where they presumably have greater pricing power. This expansion is critical for justifying its premium multiples, particularly as competition in the AI and big data analytics space heats up. Competitors in the enterprise AI and analytics space include Snowflake Inc. (SNOW) and Databricks, alongside giants like Amazon, IBM, Google, and Microsoft. Notably, companies like Google and Microsoft have the benefit of being more \"vertically integrated\" than Palantir due to their ownership of cloud infrastructure. This grants them a distinct competitive edge in cost control, scalability, and end-to-end service integration across products. Palantir does have the benefits of network effects (where the system's effectiveness grows with time and scale), reputation (from dealing with sensitive, high-stakes data problems), and AI expertise to become the next \"super company,\" and the stock rally could, feasibly, still be in its early stages. However, until the company demonstrates the ability to deliver the growth and margins required to sustain such a lofty valuation, I believe it is best to proceed with caution (\"hold\") until, ironically, we have more data available.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"tweetType":1,"langContent":"EN"},{"id":365279004909624,"gmtCreate":1730189783014,"gmtModify":1730189923811,"author":{"id":"4193271268430872","authorId":"4193271268430872","name":"awfulhedge","avatar":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/default-avatar.jpg","vip":1,"crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"idStr":"4193271268430872","authorIdStr":"4193271268430872"},"htmlText":"‌<a href=\"\">[冷漠]&nbsp;</a>‌","listText":"‌<a href=\"\">[冷漠]&nbsp;</a>‌","text":"‌[冷漠] ‌","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":2,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/365279004909624","repostId":2479434466,"repostType":4,"repost":{"id":"2479434466","kind":"highlight","pubTimestamp":1730182659,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/2479434466?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2024-10-29 14:17","market":"hk","language":"en","title":"Palantir: High Expectations, Narrow Path To Outperformance","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2479434466","media":"seekingalpha","summary":"Palantir’s Q3 2024 revenue is expected to fall between $697 million and $701 million, indicating roughly 26% year-over-year growth.Free cash flow margins remain solid, and capital expenditures are low","content":"<html><head></head><body><ul><li><p>Palantir’s Q3 2024 revenue is expected to fall between $697 million and $701 million, indicating roughly 26% year-over-year growth.</p></li><li><p>Free cash flow margins remain solid, and capital expenditures are low due to Palantir&#39;s software-focused business model.</p></li><li><p>Palantir’s continued expansion in the commercial sector, especially in healthcare and finance, is crucial for sustaining revenue growth.</p></li><li><p>The strongest case against Palantir is its high valuation, which requires sustained 30%+ revenue growth to justify.</p></li><li><p>I recommend holding Palantir stock until it demonstrates consistent growth in both revenue and free cash flow to justify its premium valuation.</p></li></ul><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/383efe51df7f8cfa9ebabfacdbbd0ee4\" data-align=\"center\" tg-width=\"750\" tg-height=\"500\"/><span></span></p><p></p><p>Judging by its underlying metrics, <strong><a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/PLTR\">Palantir Technologies Inc.</a></strong> (NYSE:PLTR) is vastly &#34;overvalued.&#34;</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/d202a534f5fc285deada32312a2ad699\" data-align=\"center\" tg-width=\"551\" tg-height=\"157\"/><span></span></p><p></p><p>However, this does not say much or provide any insight. Rather, I am more interested in determining what implicit assumptions about Palantir&#39;s future growth and profitability the market currently has. In order to find out, I&#39;ve conducted a discounted cash flow [DCF] analysis on Palantir. This involves (1) projecting free cash flows for 8 years with expected growth rates, (2) estimating the value of all future cash flows beyond year 8 using the terminal growth rate, and (3) discounting both the projected cash flows and the terminal value back to the present value using the discount rate (CAPM). Let&#39;s walk through it.</p><p>First, let&#39;s look at analyst expectations for Palantir in 2025.</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/027dcd5882e190c9e249a730cf35a0fe\" data-align=\"center\" tg-width=\"250\" tg-height=\"124\"/><span></span></p><p></p><p>The free cash flow and FCF margin are implied by Palantir&#39;s market capitalization and P/FCF. Judging by historical performance (in the trailing twelve months, Palantir&#39;s FCF margin was 28.09%), these results are probably the bare minimum of what Palantir will achieve next year.</p><p>Next, I have to determine what growth rate and FCF margin give us a total estimated value that is similar to Palantir&#39;s current valuation. This reveals the implicit assumptions the market is making about Palantir&#39;s future. From there, readers can determine whether or not they think these expectations are reasonable.</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/15c570bac32165cfa868dabb3b848b61\" data-align=\"center\" tg-width=\"309\" tg-height=\"264\"/><span></span></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/c09d02a2e3247b4df98fbefac9b5e9f6\" data-align=\"center\" tg-width=\"250\" tg-height=\"61\"/><span></span></p><p></p><p>This actually wasn&#39;t difficult to ascertain because this is what Palantir is nearing (30% revenue growth and FCF margins). From this perspective, Palantir&#39;s valuation does not appear ludicrous. Instead, the mystery surrounds whether or not the company has the goods to deliver such results over an extended period of time. By doing so, Palantir would join very rare company - the likes of NVIDIA Corporation (NVDA), Tesla, Inc. (TSLA), Alphabet Inc. (GOOGL), Amazon.com, Inc. (AMZN), and <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/META\">Meta Platforms, Inc.</a> (META). These companies did not achieve sustained 30%+ revenue growth by mistake; they benefited from significant network effects, scalable business models, international expansion, and entry into new high-growth markets.</p><p>In Q2, Palantir&#39;s $678.13 million in revenue beat by $25.71 million and represented 27.15% YoY growth. The beat was due, in large part, to Palantir&#39;s massive US commercial growth. Recall that Palantir provides data analytics and software platforms to help organizations integrate, analyze, and visualize vast amounts of data. Its government platform, Gotham, is focused on defense and intelligence. As we have seen in the past with applications such as the internet, GPS, drones, and microwaves, technology that was initially used by the government can later be found to be useful in the market. The same appears to be occurring with Palantir&#39;s Foundry, which is intended for commercial enterprises and includes big-name clients like BP, Ferrari, and Merck, spanning many industries (energy, automotive, and pharmaceuticals, respectively). Indeed, Palantir&#39;s US commercial revenue increased 55% year-on-year. Furthermore, the government continues to find applications for Gotham, with revenues increasing 23% YoY. Cash from operations totaled $144.2 million. Capital expenditures remain low at $2.9 million. This is good for a GAAP FCF margin of 20.8% (Palantir&#39;s &#34;adjusted&#34; FCF margin was 22%). Recall that <em>FCF margin = (operating cash flow - CapEx / revenue) x 100</em>. Palantir&#39;s low CapEx is partially attributed to the nature of their software-centric business and dependency on third-party cloud infrastructures like AWS and Azure.</p><p>Palantir is expected to announce Q3 earnings on 11/4 (post-market). The current revenue estimate is $704 million with an EPS of $0.04. This would represent YoY revenue growth of 26.2%. Recall that Palantir guided Q3 revenue between $697 million and $701 million.</p><h2>Financial Health</h2><p>As of June 30, Palantir reported $512.659 million in cash and cash equivalents. Marketable securities totaled $3.485 billion. Total current assets were $4.773 billion, while total current liabilities were just $806.919 million. This implies a current ratio well over 2.0, which indicates that the company can readily cover any short-term obligations. The company is without significant long-term debt.</p><p>They are profitable and enjoy superior margins.</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/c0f8a4dfca23c3e72696a291d661c279\" data-align=\"center\" tg-width=\"309\" tg-height=\"77\"/><span></span></p><p></p><p>Here&#39;s a look at some key trends during the past few years:</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/eac99682270e81a7a58189df394e75cf\" data-align=\"center\" tg-width=\"635\" tg-height=\"456\"/><span></span></p><p></p><h2><strong>PLTR Stock: High Expectations, Narrow Path to Outperformance</strong></h2><p>Now valued at over $100 billion, PLTR is priced for significant performance. For PLTR to be a worthwhile investment, it has to outperform its expected annual return (derived from CAPM) of 10.29%. Let&#39;s look at how differences in growth, margins, and valuation metrics impact potential returns.</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/af3dba358973b3749bb50c7fa644875b\" data-align=\"center\" tg-width=\"493\" tg-height=\"212\"/><span></span></p><p>As you can see, the path to <em>annual returns greater than expected annual returns</em> is likely to narrow at this time. Moreover, although close, Palantir has not yet demonstrated an ability to sustain 30% YoY revenue growth and 30% FCF margins. I believe these figures are major inflection points (look at how the EV jumps from $62B to $99.8B). It&#39;s also important to note that stock returns are also dependent on how the market <em>perceives</em> the stock (P/FCF), which is inherently unpredictable and can drastically change at a moment&#39;s notice. It also depends on external factors such as the economy and sector trends, but one can assume PLTR will continue to trade at a premium so long as its revenue growth outpaces the sector median of 6.19%.</p><p>Looking ahead to Q3 earnings, Palantir will need to continue to show rapid growth in the commercial segment. Growth in this segment is critical for diversifying its revenue base beyond government contracts and establishing a stronger presence in high-margin industries such as healthcare, energy, and finance, where they presumably have greater pricing power. This expansion is critical for justifying its premium multiples, particularly as competition in the AI and big data analytics space heats up. Competitors in the enterprise AI and analytics space include <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/SNOW\">Snowflake</a> Inc. (SNOW) and Databricks, alongside giants like Amazon, <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/IBM\">IBM</a>, Google, and Microsoft. Notably, companies like Google and Microsoft have the benefit of being more &#34;vertically integrated&#34; than Palantir due to their ownership of cloud infrastructure. This grants them a distinct competitive edge in cost control, scalability, and end-to-end service integration across products. Palantir does have the benefits of network effects (where the system&#39;s effectiveness grows with time and scale), reputation (from dealing with sensitive, high-stakes data problems), and AI expertise to become the next &#34;super company,&#34; and the stock rally could, feasibly, still be in its early stages. However, until the company demonstrates the ability to deliver the growth and margins required to sustain such a lofty valuation, I believe it is best to proceed with caution (&#34;hold&#34;) until, ironically, we have more data available.</p></body></html>","source":"seekingalpha","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Palantir: High Expectations, Narrow Path To Outperformance</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nPalantir: High Expectations, Narrow Path To Outperformance\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2024-10-29 14:17 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://seekingalpha.com/article/4730204-palantir-high-expectations-narrow-path-to-outperformance><strong>seekingalpha</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>Palantir’s Q3 2024 revenue is expected to fall between $697 million and $701 million, indicating roughly 26% year-over-year growth.Free cash flow margins remain solid, and capital expenditures are low...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4730204-palantir-high-expectations-narrow-path-to-outperformance\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"PLTR":"Palantir Technologies Inc."},"source_url":"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4730204-palantir-high-expectations-narrow-path-to-outperformance","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/5a36db9d73b4222bc376d24ccc48c8a4","article_id":"2479434466","content_text":"Palantir’s Q3 2024 revenue is expected to fall between $697 million and $701 million, indicating roughly 26% year-over-year growth.Free cash flow margins remain solid, and capital expenditures are low due to Palantir's software-focused business model.Palantir’s continued expansion in the commercial sector, especially in healthcare and finance, is crucial for sustaining revenue growth.The strongest case against Palantir is its high valuation, which requires sustained 30%+ revenue growth to justify.I recommend holding Palantir stock until it demonstrates consistent growth in both revenue and free cash flow to justify its premium valuation.Judging by its underlying metrics, Palantir Technologies Inc. (NYSE:PLTR) is vastly \"overvalued.\"However, this does not say much or provide any insight. Rather, I am more interested in determining what implicit assumptions about Palantir's future growth and profitability the market currently has. In order to find out, I've conducted a discounted cash flow [DCF] analysis on Palantir. This involves (1) projecting free cash flows for 8 years with expected growth rates, (2) estimating the value of all future cash flows beyond year 8 using the terminal growth rate, and (3) discounting both the projected cash flows and the terminal value back to the present value using the discount rate (CAPM). Let's walk through it.First, let's look at analyst expectations for Palantir in 2025.The free cash flow and FCF margin are implied by Palantir's market capitalization and P/FCF. Judging by historical performance (in the trailing twelve months, Palantir's FCF margin was 28.09%), these results are probably the bare minimum of what Palantir will achieve next year.Next, I have to determine what growth rate and FCF margin give us a total estimated value that is similar to Palantir's current valuation. This reveals the implicit assumptions the market is making about Palantir's future. From there, readers can determine whether or not they think these expectations are reasonable.This actually wasn't difficult to ascertain because this is what Palantir is nearing (30% revenue growth and FCF margins). From this perspective, Palantir's valuation does not appear ludicrous. Instead, the mystery surrounds whether or not the company has the goods to deliver such results over an extended period of time. By doing so, Palantir would join very rare company - the likes of NVIDIA Corporation (NVDA), Tesla, Inc. (TSLA), Alphabet Inc. (GOOGL), Amazon.com, Inc. (AMZN), and Meta Platforms, Inc. (META). These companies did not achieve sustained 30%+ revenue growth by mistake; they benefited from significant network effects, scalable business models, international expansion, and entry into new high-growth markets.In Q2, Palantir's $678.13 million in revenue beat by $25.71 million and represented 27.15% YoY growth. The beat was due, in large part, to Palantir's massive US commercial growth. Recall that Palantir provides data analytics and software platforms to help organizations integrate, analyze, and visualize vast amounts of data. Its government platform, Gotham, is focused on defense and intelligence. As we have seen in the past with applications such as the internet, GPS, drones, and microwaves, technology that was initially used by the government can later be found to be useful in the market. The same appears to be occurring with Palantir's Foundry, which is intended for commercial enterprises and includes big-name clients like BP, Ferrari, and Merck, spanning many industries (energy, automotive, and pharmaceuticals, respectively). Indeed, Palantir's US commercial revenue increased 55% year-on-year. Furthermore, the government continues to find applications for Gotham, with revenues increasing 23% YoY. Cash from operations totaled $144.2 million. Capital expenditures remain low at $2.9 million. This is good for a GAAP FCF margin of 20.8% (Palantir's \"adjusted\" FCF margin was 22%). Recall that FCF margin = (operating cash flow - CapEx / revenue) x 100. Palantir's low CapEx is partially attributed to the nature of their software-centric business and dependency on third-party cloud infrastructures like AWS and Azure.Palantir is expected to announce Q3 earnings on 11/4 (post-market). The current revenue estimate is $704 million with an EPS of $0.04. This would represent YoY revenue growth of 26.2%. Recall that Palantir guided Q3 revenue between $697 million and $701 million.Financial HealthAs of June 30, Palantir reported $512.659 million in cash and cash equivalents. Marketable securities totaled $3.485 billion. Total current assets were $4.773 billion, while total current liabilities were just $806.919 million. This implies a current ratio well over 2.0, which indicates that the company can readily cover any short-term obligations. The company is without significant long-term debt.They are profitable and enjoy superior margins.Here's a look at some key trends during the past few years:PLTR Stock: High Expectations, Narrow Path to OutperformanceNow valued at over $100 billion, PLTR is priced for significant performance. For PLTR to be a worthwhile investment, it has to outperform its expected annual return (derived from CAPM) of 10.29%. Let's look at how differences in growth, margins, and valuation metrics impact potential returns.As you can see, the path to annual returns greater than expected annual returns is likely to narrow at this time. Moreover, although close, Palantir has not yet demonstrated an ability to sustain 30% YoY revenue growth and 30% FCF margins. I believe these figures are major inflection points (look at how the EV jumps from $62B to $99.8B). It's also important to note that stock returns are also dependent on how the market perceives the stock (P/FCF), which is inherently unpredictable and can drastically change at a moment's notice. It also depends on external factors such as the economy and sector trends, but one can assume PLTR will continue to trade at a premium so long as its revenue growth outpaces the sector median of 6.19%.Looking ahead to Q3 earnings, Palantir will need to continue to show rapid growth in the commercial segment. Growth in this segment is critical for diversifying its revenue base beyond government contracts and establishing a stronger presence in high-margin industries such as healthcare, energy, and finance, where they presumably have greater pricing power. This expansion is critical for justifying its premium multiples, particularly as competition in the AI and big data analytics space heats up. Competitors in the enterprise AI and analytics space include Snowflake Inc. (SNOW) and Databricks, alongside giants like Amazon, IBM, Google, and Microsoft. Notably, companies like Google and Microsoft have the benefit of being more \"vertically integrated\" than Palantir due to their ownership of cloud infrastructure. This grants them a distinct competitive edge in cost control, scalability, and end-to-end service integration across products. Palantir does have the benefits of network effects (where the system's effectiveness grows with time and scale), reputation (from dealing with sensitive, high-stakes data problems), and AI expertise to become the next \"super company,\" and the stock rally could, feasibly, still be in its early stages. However, until the company demonstrates the ability to deliver the growth and margins required to sustain such a lofty valuation, I believe it is best to proceed with caution (\"hold\") until, ironically, we have more data available.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"tweetType":1,"langContent":"EN"}],"hasMoreComments":true,"newsSizeData":{"likeSize":8,"commentSize":2,"repostSize":1,"favoriteSize":0,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false}}