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2021-03-23

Verbal assurances are far from enough

【缘木求鱼】打消人们担心的可靠做法，一是及时立法，二是要有足够的相关技术储备、现实参与和安全预案。木木据媒体报道，与电动汽车制造领域诸多专家充分沟通后，美国知名投行摩根士丹利在 ...

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Since human beings entered the industrial society, this law has been in play until today. Therefore, many people know that it is not surprising that the price of electric vehicles \"pieced together\" on the assembly line is gradually falling, which is a general trend. People don't even have to wait for the ten years expected by Morgan Stanley. In fact, there are already electric vehicles priced around US $5,000, such as the Hongguang MINI EV, which sells for less than US $5,000. Of course, there are cheaper elderly vehicles running around the streets. mobility scooter.</p><p>Of course, it is precisely because of this rule that any electric vehicle manufacturer with a little ambition will instinctively seize any opportunity and emphasize that he is essentially different from traditional \"Autobots\". This is also understandable. Regardless of whether there is a difference between the two and how big the difference is, the valuation level of traditional car companies alone is unbearable for new car-making forces. Therefore, it is normal for electric vehicles to always be pushed to high technology, information technology and the Internet-at least the market valuation can be more imaginative.</p><p>However, when electric vehicles are driven like this, it is often not too bragging. Although Hongguang MINI EV may not be empowered, many electric vehicles do have new capabilities, such as \"<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/TSLA\">Tesla</a>”。 Not long ago, in the interaction with users, Musk admitted that Tesla's in-car camera can capture and detect the driver's eyes, and determine whether the driver is attentive enough accordingly. The background of this interaction is that some drivers did not pay enough attention to the road conditions, and the trial rights of the \"Tesla\" FSD beta version (fully autonomous driving beta version) were withdrawn.</p><p>This incident strongly proves that the collection and analysis ability of \"Tesla\" in-car information system has reached a certain height. Perhaps, people who drive \"Tesla\" in the future really need to pay due attention to their words and deeds. This should not be a worry for people. After all, under the technical background of real-time information collection and real-time uploading, whether \"Tesla Cloud\" is safe enough and whether it can block some irrelevant people or AI from hearing and seeing what happens in the car Everything determines the user's driving experience to a considerable extent. At the end of last year, a hacker successfully hacked into the \"Tesla\" FSD beta development model and made an in-depth exposure. In this regard, people's worries about the security of \"Tesla\" information system are not unnecessary.</p><p>The small goal that \"Tesla\" can see at this stage is obviously to achieve \"zero intervention driving\", that is, the autonomous driving of \"Tesla\". In order to achieve this goal, \"Tesla\" has made a lot of preparations, especially in information collection, uploading, analysis, feedback, control, etc. Even outsiders can see that the company has made a lot of efforts, and it has indeed made great progress in technology. But everything has two sides. The so-called \"zero-intervention driving\" means different degrees of \"out-of-control\" for users. The more thorough \"zero-intervention driving\" is technically done, the more thorough users will be \"out-of-control\" of the car.</p><p>At present, the conceivable scenario is that after the \"zero-intervention driving\" technology is fully mature, the user only needs to instruct the destination and time, and the self-driving electric vehicle can complete the task completely independently without any participation of the user. Of course, for thousands of ordinary people in Qian Qian, as long as their personal safety can be fundamentally guaranteed and their travel is smooth enough, this \"out-of-control\" state doesn't matter, and it even feels cool, but for other unusual people and unusual external environments and destinations, there may be big or small problems.</p><p>A few days ago, in response to people's concerns, Tesla founder Musk assured that \"the collected data will not be used for espionage\" and that the data of Chinese customers will be fully protected. Musk's verbal assurance actually implies the recognition of the information capabilities of the \"Tesla\" system, and also proves that there is a realistic basis for people's worries. From this perspective, I'm afraid the only verbal guarantee is far from enough. A more reliable way to dispel people's worries is to legislate in time, and laws and regulations should have sufficient penetration depth, and second, to have sufficient relevant technical reserves, practical participation and safety plans. On this issue, some ready-made practices or control ideas of other countries can actually be used for reference.</p><p>(The author is a reporter from Securities Times)</p><p><strong>follow<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/300033\">Straight flush</a>Finance (ths518), access more opportunities</strong></p><p><span></span><div><span>Editor in charge: lg</span></div></div></body></html></p>\n<div class=\"bt-text\">\n\n\n<p> source：<a href=\"http://stock.10jqka.com.cn/usstock/20210323/c627964393.shtml\">证券时报</a></p>\n\n\n</div>\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/80e4ab3e53452f4e5554d2f59e6f6d9b","relate_stocks":{"TSLA":"特斯拉"},"source_url":"http://stock.10jqka.com.cn/usstock/20210323/c627964393.shtml","is_english":false,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/f0343184bd9b9c963ed02b302442e2b8","article_id":"2121172890","content_text":"【缘木求鱼】　　打消人们担心的可靠做法，一是及时立法，二是要有足够的相关技术储备、现实参与和安全预案。　　木木　　据媒体报道，与电动汽车制造领域诸多专家充分沟通后，美国知名投行摩根士丹利在不久前发布的一份调研报告中明确，未来十年，电动汽车的价格有望持续下降，最终降至每辆5000美元左右（约合人民币3.25万元）。　　这份报告不过再次证明了一个“老规律”。自人类进入工业社会之后，这个规律就一直发挥作用并直到今天。因此，许多人都知道，在流水线上“拼凑”出来的电动车，售价逐渐走低是大趋势，这实在没什么好奇怪。人们甚至都不用等待摩根士丹利预期的十年时间，5000美元左右的电动车其实已经有了，比如宏光MINI EV，售价甚至不到5000美元，当然还有更便宜的满大街乱跑的老年代步车。　　当然，也正是因为有这个规律在发挥作用，凡是有点儿企图心的电动车制造商，都会本能地抓住任何一个机会，强调自己与传统“汽车人”有本质的区别。这也可以理解，先不论二者是否存在区别、区别又有多大，单就传统车企的估值水平，就让造车新势力无法忍受。因此，电动车总是被人往高科技、信息技术、互联网上带节奏，就再正常不过――起码市场估值可以更有想象力。　　不过，电动车被人这样带节奏，许多时候也算不上太吹牛，虽然宏光MINI EV很可能没有被赋能，但有不少电动车确实身负了新能力，比如“特斯拉”。不久前，在与用户的互动中，马斯克承认“特斯拉”的车内摄像头可以捕捉、检测驾驶者的目光，并据此判定驾驶者是否足够专心。这次互动的背景是，一些驾驶者因为对路况没有给予足够的关注，“特斯拉”FSD beta版本（全自动驾驶测试版）的试用权限被收回。　　这件事强力证明，“特斯拉”车内信息系统的收集、分析能力，已经达到一定高度。或许，今后驾乘“特斯拉”的人，言行确实需要适当注意一些。这应该不是杞人之忧，毕竟在信息实时搜集、实时上传的技术背景下，“特斯拉云”是否足够安全，是否能够屏蔽一些不相干的人或AI听到、看到车内发生的一切，在相当程度上决定着用户的驾乘体验。去年底，有黑客成功黑进了“特斯拉”FSD beta开发模式，并搞了一次深度曝光。就此而言，人们对“特斯拉”信息系统安全的担心并不多余。　　“特斯拉”现阶段可见的小目标，很明显是要实现“零干预驾驶”，也就是“特斯拉”的自动驾驶。为了实现这个目标，“特斯拉”做了许多准备，尤其是在信息搜集、上传、分析、反馈、控制等方面，即使行外人也看得出来，公司下了很大工夫，也确实在技术上取得不小进步。但任何事物都有两面性，所谓的“零干预驾驶”，对用户而言，就是程度不同的“失控”，“零干预驾驶”在技术上做得越彻底，用户对车的“失控”也就越彻底。　　目前可以想见的场景是，“零干预驾驶”技术完全成熟后，用户只需吩咐目的地和时间，自动驾驶电动车就能完全自主完成任务，而无需用户的任何参与。当然，对千千万万普通人而言，只要人身安全能得到根本保证、出行也足够顺畅，这种“失控”状态就无所谓，甚至还会感觉很酷，但对另外一些不太普通的人以及不太普通的外部环境以及目的地而言，或许就有或大或小的问题。　　前几天，在回应人们的这种担心时，特斯拉创始人马斯克保证，“不会将收集到的数据用于间谍活动”，并保证中国客户的数据会得到充分保护。马斯克的口头保证，其实暗含了对“特斯拉”系统信息能力的承认，也证明了人们这种担心存在现实基础。从这个角度看，仅有的口头保证恐怕就远远不够。打消人们这种担心的比较可靠的做法，一是及时立法，而且法律法规要有足够的穿透深度，二是要有足够的相关技术储备、现实参与和安全预案。在这个问题上，其他国家的一些现成做法或者管控思路，其实完全可以有所借鉴。　　（作者系证券时报记者）\n关注同花顺财经（ths518），获取更多机会\n\n责任编辑：lg","news_type":1,"symbols_score_info":{"TSLA":0.9}},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":2637,"commentLimit":10,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"symbols":[],"verified":2,"subType":0,"readableState":1,"langContent":"EN","currentLanguage":"EN","warmUpFlag":false,"orderFlag":false,"shareable":true,"causeOfNotShareable":"","featuresForAnalytics":[],"commentAndTweetFlag":false,"andRepostAutoSelectedFlag":false,"upFlag":false,"length":2,"xxTargetLangEnum":"ORIG"},"commentList":[],"hasMoreComment":false,"orderType":2}