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If there were a ‘Big Three’ of electric vehicle makers, who would join Tesla?

Delays at young electric-vehicle companies suggest that large auto makers are best placed to challen

If there were a ‘Big Three’ of electric vehicle makers, who would join Tesla?

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  Apple would likely be a software provider rather than producer. No established car manufactuere wants to partner them.
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National Motor even competed in and won the 1912 Indy 500. Sales boomed and it expanded production, but after a merger with Associated Motor Industries in 1922, the company ended up in receivership in 1924. Like hundreds of other early car companies, none of those six Indianapolis players survived.\nInvestors eyeing the electric vehicle space today may have a sense of déjà vu. The huge number of companies, large and small, currently working on electric vehicles or their components is reminiscent of the turn of the 20th century, when companies like National and others experimented with body forms and engine types, from steam-powered to internal combustion to early versions of electric vehicles.\nBy the 1929 stock market crash, there were only about 40 auto makers left, and that number eventually shrunk to where the top companies in the U.S. are referred to as the “Big Three.” Similar shakeouts occurred globally, with Big Threes emerging in other countries, like Japan and Germany.\nOne major difference between then and now, said Brett Smith, director of technology research at the Center for Automotive Research, or CAR, is that 100 years ago, “everybody was starting from scratch—no one had an advantage,” while today, traditional auto makers already know how to build cars and create huge assembly lines.、\n\n\n ‘Over the next 5 years, there is going to be some remarkable growth for some of these companies. But there will be some that don’t grow and struggle. There is more to be optimistic about with these companies than there was five years ago, because the tech is getting closer to broader adoption. The problem is that the traditional car companies have been getting into it too now and competition is tougher.’”\n\n\n — Brett Smith, director, technology research, Center for Automotive Research \n\n\nThe question for investors then is which companies will become the big 3 of EVs?\nThe company with the biggest advantage in electric vehicles today is Tesla Inc. which has finally proved to the world that EVs are the future. As rival startups and legacy automakers seek to emulate its success, investors must ponder which EV companies will succeed and which will disappear.\n\nGlobally, there are hundreds of startups working on some aspect of electric vehicles, from creating the car, to charging station infrastructure, improving the manufacturing process, developing new battery technologies and working on fuel cells. CB Insights of New York said it is tracking more than 700 startups around the world that are active in the space.\n“There seems to be a new one every day,” said Smith of CAR.\nSince February, the shares of many better known startups have lost much of their value because of serious issues, including regulatory inquiries or investigations, class action lawsuits, management tumult and abrupt executive departures. Piling onto these woes — which mainly stem from overpromising and under-delivering — is a semiconductor shortage hampering efforts to get first products out the door.\nSeveral publicly traded EV makers are still technically startup companies, with no revenue or much operational history. But because of the SPAC boom, and the de-SPAC process, they are now publicly traded companies, leaving investors making bets like venture capitalists on the next Tesla.\n\n\n\n“What they are doing is very hard,” said Smith. “Over the next 5 years, there is going to be some remarkable growth for some of these companies. But there will be some that don’t grow and struggle. There is more to be optimistic about with these companies than there was five years ago, because the tech is getting closer to broader adoption. The problem is that the traditional car companies have been getting into it too now and competition is tougher.”\nAs a result of some of those issues, no revenue is expected for the rest of the year at Nikola Corp.,Lordstown Motors Corp. and Fisker Inc.,  with all three companies predicting their first vehicles sometime in 2022, if their current forecasts can be believed.\n\n“I know it sounds like a broken record and it’s boring, but I think in this case, the broken record is quite good to keep on saying that we are on time on the Ocean program and we are on budget,” Fisker co-founder, Chairman and Chief Executive Henrik Fisker told analysts in the company’s earnings call last month.\nFisker said the company will start production on Nov. 17, 2022, which actually looks good compared with other startups. Morgan Stanley analyst Adam Jonas said in a note that he believes Fisker “may be one of the only EV startups to actually launch on time and ramp efficaciously in late 2022.”\n\nThese companies, plus Faraday Future Electric Inc.,Canoo Inc.,Lucid Group and the soon to go public Rivian, are among the top funded EV makers in the U.S. But while many have received billions from investors through private funding rounds or SPAC deals – electric truck-maker Rivian has raised $10.5 billion — some are now encountering credibility problems.\n\nFor example, Lordstown — an electric truck-maker which took over a former GM factory in an area of Ohio referred to as Voltage Valley — disclosed in July that its merger deal was being investigated by the Securities and Exchange Commission and the Justice Department, for a variety of matters, including information provided to investors about its pre-orders. Lordstown added a “going concern” warning to regulatory filings and clarified that the orders it had were not binding.\n\n“To do what Tesla did, build a car company from the ground up and all the way through to distribution, that took a phenomenal amount of money,” Smith said. Tesla is now almost 18 years old. After raising $226 million in its 2010 IPO, it has gone back to the capital markets frequently, raising more than $20 billion through secondary stock sales and debt offerings.\nWorkhorse Group Inc.,which makes electric “last mile” delivery vans and utility vehicles, also was reported to be the target of an SEC investigation, and Trevor Milton, the founder of Nikola Corp. has been charged with securities fraud in federal court in the Southern District of New York, allegedly for overinflating the developments at the electric truck maker. Milton has stated that he is innocent.\n\nSince EV makers need the same hefty capital investment as other auto makers, investors might be more inclined to favor the established companies making a foray into electrification. Nearly every major auto maker around the globe has some sort of effort today to develop electric vehicles, but in the U.S., Ford Motor appears to be the furthest along, with plans to offer dozens of electrified vehicles, including a truck, sometime in 2022.\n\nIf investors are looking to bet on one of Tesla’s upcoming rivals, the best course may be to pick one of the companies that is actually close to launching a car, like Fisker or Lucid, and then diversify bets on some traditional auto makers. Another option is to look for suppliers, instead of the much more capital-intensive car makers.\nAssad Hussain, mobility analyst at PitchBook, which tracks all aspects of the public and private equity markets, said professional investors are looking beyond the companies making cars to those that are supplying the automakers.\n“A lot of the smart VC money is going into the picks and shovels, not necessarily trying to trying to find the next Tesla,” Hussain said, making an analogy with the pioneers who got rich during the California gold rush of 1849 by providing the supplies, instead of joining the hordes panning for gold in the Sierra foothills.\nOne example is a company called Redwood Materials, which is working on recycling lithium ion batteries in both devices and EVs. Redwood was co-founded by JB Straubel, a Tesla co-founder and its CTO for 15 years. Redwood recently raised $700 million from a group of investors, including T. 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