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JuniorMaoz
2022-03-18

The push for more environmental benefits from EVs still doesn't displace concerns about the battery that are to be disposed, the power powering the chargers etc. I feel that industries closely linkedas a product, like solar industries, copper and precious metals associated with it will also grow or shrink. Still the stocks are a good buy albeit going long cautiously. My Two cents worth.

EV Stock Valuations Make No Sense. Time to Recalibrate.

Wild trading, due to a plethora of issues, has made it nearly impossible to track the valuations of electric-vehicle stocks like Tesla and Rivian. Recent ups and downs have shaken up the sector and th

EV Stock Valuations Make No Sense. Time to Recalibrate.

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Remotecam
·2022-03-18
You're absolutely right. The rate of raw material usage to make EV Lithium batteries is non sustainable at this moment. Recycling is almost non existent. Big red flag for me.
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bouncyo
·2022-03-18
I think you make quite a good point in promoting electric vehicles without ignoring some of the problems they pose.
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Kirton
·2022-03-18
Totally agreed on this. The environmental benefits of EV is overblown if we are just burning fossil fuels in the power plant instead of the car.
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A nice gain, but Rivian Automotive (RIVN) stock is up 11.1%. And American depositary receipts of Chinese EV maker XPeng (XPEV) are up more than 26%.Two big things are driving EV stocks today. First, it’s a risk-on day for the market. The S&P 500 and Dow Jones Industrial Average are up 1.7% and 1.2%, respectively.Next, the Chinese government recently expressed a new desire to further support its domestic economy. That helped investors forget about some of their fears about the potential delistings of Chinese companies from U.S. exchanges, and focus more about improving demand in the world’s largest market for new cars and new EVs.That factor helps Chinese EV shares the most. NIO (NIO) ADRs are up about 21%. Li Auto (LI) ADRs have gained more than 27% in Wednesday trading, roughly matching XPeng’s gains. 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Big red flag for me.","text":"You're absolutely right.&nbsp; The rate of raw material usage to make EV Lithium batteries is <u>non</u> sustainable at this moment.&nbsp; Recycling is almost non existent. Big red flag for me.","html":"You're absolutely right.&nbsp; The rate of raw material usage to make EV Lithium batteries is <u>non</u> sustainable at this moment.&nbsp; Recycling is almost non existent. Big red flag for me.","likeSize":1,"commentSize":0,"subComments":[],"verified":10,"allocateAmount":0,"commentType":"valid","coins":0,"score":0},{"id":100869226,"commentId":"100869226","gmtCreate":1647586540373,"gmtModify":1647586540373,"authorId":9000000000000417,"author":{"id":9000000000000417,"idStr":"9000000000000417","authorId":9000000000000417,"name":"bouncyo","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/eb0370d3fa6e993a9a62f4b7ba0130a1","vip":8,"crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"individualDisplayBadges":[]},"repliedAuthorId":0,"objectId":9035665529,"objectIdStr":"9035665529","type":1,"supId":0,"supIdStr":"0","prevId":0,"prevIdStr":"0","content":"I think you make quite a good point in promoting electric vehicles without ignoring some of the problems they pose.","text":"I think you make quite a good point in promoting electric vehicles without ignoring some of the problems they pose.","html":"I think you make quite a good point in promoting electric vehicles without ignoring some of the problems they pose.","likeSize":1,"commentSize":0,"subComments":[],"verified":10,"allocateAmount":0,"commentType":"valid","coins":0,"score":0},{"id":100869208,"commentId":"100869208","gmtCreate":1647586315144,"gmtModify":1663245321239,"authorId":3559451184746752,"author":{"id":3559451184746752,"idStr":"3559451184746752","authorId":3559451184746752,"name":"Kirton","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/e41d69df3ca33182d7a527fc4f4ce0cb","vip":1,"hat":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/b073a07f77dbe6b3bec6b12311fde6bd","crmLevel":8,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"individualDisplayBadges":[]},"repliedAuthorId":0,"objectId":9035665529,"objectIdStr":"9035665529","type":1,"supId":0,"supIdStr":"0","prevId":0,"prevIdStr":"0","content":"Totally agreed on this. The environmental benefits of EV is overblown if we are just burning fossil fuels in the power plant instead of the car.","text":"Totally agreed on this. The environmental benefits of EV is overblown if we are just burning fossil fuels in the power plant instead of the car.","html":"Totally agreed on this. The environmental benefits of EV is overblown if we are just burning fossil fuels in the power plant instead of the car.","likeSize":1,"commentSize":0,"subComments":[],"verified":10,"allocateAmount":0,"commentType":"valid","coins":0,"score":0}],"hasMoreComment":true,"orderType":2}