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Tesla: No Excuses For Q2 Miss

SummaryTesla falls short of estimates for Q2 deliveries.Revenue estimates likely need to come down.P

Tesla: No Excuses For Q2 Miss

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Because tesla is overvalued. All hype.
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Gary Black, who runs the Future Fund Active ETF (FFND) that has Tesla as its largest holding, called the number &#34;in line&#34; with expectations as seen below. Ross Gerber, who has Tesla as his top holding in the Gerber Kawasaki ETF (GK), called the numbers excellent. Of course, both of these ETFs have significantly underperformed the market since their respective 2021 launches, so investors may not find much credibility in these Tesla supporters here, to begin with.</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/417f161582d5f5c697c53f619cd784a3\" tg-width=\"610\" tg-height=\"248\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/></p><p>Tesla Bull Commentary (Twitter)</p><p>In my opinion, you can&#39;t blame the poor results on the shutdowns or call these numbers in line. We&#39;ve known about these issues for months, so nobody can be shocked by them. 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Of course, both of these ETFs have significantly underperformed the market since their respective 2021 launches, so investors may not find much credibility in these Tesla supporters here, to begin with.Tesla Bull Commentary (Twitter)In my opinion, you can't blame the poor results on the shutdowns or call these numbers in line. We've known about these issues for months, so nobody can be shocked by them. Tesla Investor Relations sent out two sets of estimates, one of which they had selected to form a lower than usual consensus, and the company still missed by more than 2,000 units. If Apple (AAPL) told analysts to model $100 billion in revenues and then reported $99.2 billion, everyone would report it as a miss and say it was a bad result. I also can't put too much into the record June production comments because the company is ramping Fremont and opened two new factories earlier this year. It'd be a much more important news story if Tesla did not have record production.With deliveries down more than 55,000 units from Q1 of this year, it's obvious that total revenues are not going to top that period's $18.76 billion figure. Tesla's average selling prices will benefit from rising prices, a higher mix of S/X sales in the quarter and a lower overall percentage of leased vehicles in the total. On the flip side, a stronger dollar during Q2 will provide a headwind to the company's topline. For those that include credit sales in their number, that number is expected to come down quite a bit sequentially given the large one-time benefit reported in Q1.Going into Saturday's release, the average analyst estimate called for $17.34 billion in Q2 revenues. I believe that number needs to come down by at least half a billion or so to be more realistic. That analyst average included at least one estimate over $20 billion, and we know there are some older estimates included in the total. 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