'Black Swan' author Nassim Taleb says bitcoin is worth zero and fails as a currency and a hedge

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KEY POINTS Nassim Nicholas Taleb said in a recent paper that bitcoin has failed as a currency without government, as a hedge against inflation and as a safe haven investment. The author of "The Black...

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BINGG
·2021-07-14
Hi
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gogostocks
·2021-07-14
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BlueHi5
·2021-07-14
?!?!?
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·2021-07-14
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PeerlessTige
·2021-07-14
Cryptocurrency today is what commodities exchange, stock exchanges , currency exchanges are of yesterday.There was no need for all these until man put value and started the manipulation of markets to profit from it.
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Ak91
·2021-07-14
Pls like
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Fionaz
·2021-07-14
:/
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ivanlam
·2021-07-14
[流淚]
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Yh123456789
·2021-07-14
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MrMrsBean
·2021-07-14
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Tw0d3MooN
·2021-07-14
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DansonYong
·2021-07-14
Nice
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Todkie
·2021-07-14
Nice
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  [Cool]
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MorphyInc
·2021-07-14
Using traditional valuation on an untraditional asset. What do you guys think?
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tig2021
·2021-07-14
He is right this time. Would be good if he explian why the change of mind.
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