Warnings of a Stock Market Bubble Finally Prove Too Much for S&P 500

Bloomberg2023-02-25

The PEG model points to an extended market with few precedentsThe danger: Growth is at risk while valuation pressure buildsWagering on the stock market bounce was always a long shot. Now it looks like...

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andrew123
·2023-02-27
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Tanyl
·2023-02-26
All drop
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yobobs
·2023-02-25
you can do it S&P...
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orsiri
·2023-02-25
… some investors have learnt from previous events snd to some degree that reduces the dramatic swings we have seen in the past — looking further ahead instead of taking a short term view has always been the best principle to take. Markets round the world have seen similar swings but for different reasons for example New Zealand is faced with unpresidented weather patterns that's added extra volatility to the market — we should therefore push foward and look for improvements when they arise.
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BotakGuy
·2023-02-25
Stock market only goes up !
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  It weng be down :(
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·2023-02-25
Nice time to crash hard
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As it stands now, based on long-term profit forecasts, the S&P 500 is roughly 20% more expensive than it ever was during the internet bubble.“The current nosebleed level of valuations seen in the US PEG ratio is a result of the ‘growth’ long-term EPS rug being pulled out from under investors,” Albert Edwards, the notoriously glum global strategist at Societe Generale, wrote in a note this week. “This all means that the current PE of around 18x is very vulnerable, and not just against sharply higher cash/bond yields (TINA is dead and buried),” he said, referring to the abbreviation for “there is no alternative” to buying stocks.Like many valuation models, the PEG isn’t a great timing tool. Its prior high, made in mid-2020, saw stocks continue to march upward for more than a year. 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