蚂蚁十日：从马云喊话监管开始，以蚂蚁暂缓上市结束

北京商报2020-11-03

11月3日，又将是个不眠夜，只差临门一脚的蚂蚁上市，再次生变。当日晚间，上交所及港交所突发公告：暂缓蚂蚁上市。短短数字，足以引发舆论震荡，牵动蚂蚁神经。事实上，就在暂缓上市的前一夜，蚂蚁被监管多面“镣铐”，一面是央行、银保监会等四部门罕见联合约谈，一面是网络小贷新规处处“扼喉”，此外还有官员直指“花呗”“借呗”侵害消费者权益。监管五指山拍下之前，蚂蚁IPO也曾进行得火热，网上发行有效申购户数516...

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唐华斑竹
·2020-11-04
讓你膨脹，明明是一隻螞蟻，還以爲自己是大象。
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madhatter
·2020-11-04
厲害厲害，十日之內再次不具備條件了，打臉老馬的同時，知道這也是打自己臉嗎?
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简单让生活更美好
·2020-11-04
666
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Lynn_zz
·2020-11-04
傻了吧，在國內上市就是個坑！國內一切要看領導面子，你只顧說實話，不給人家面子，人家不坑你嗎？國內各大銀行哪個沒有自己的小貸業務，年利率百分之十幾二十多的少嗎？所以國內根本沒有公平公正可言！現在貸款利率是高，但不是螞蟻一家，我支持查螞蟻，但是要連帶國內各大銀行信貸機構一起查！不然，我是不服！
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- ChenXuefeng:
  说的对！！网络声讨个大银行！银行小贷不仅利率奇高而且还要买各种理财保险搭售强买强卖，及其恶劣！！就是坑害老百姓的！
  2020-11-04
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- 社区成长助手:
  终于等到了您的初发帖[比心][比心]发帖时关联相关股票或者相关话题，可以获得更多曝光哦～如果您想创作优质文章，请查看老虎社区创作指引
  2020-11-04
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小白84544664
·2020-11-04
都是出來混的，誰不要點面子，馬老師飄了
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- ChenXuefeng:
  支持马老师不要面子要里子！
  2020-11-04
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zgsung
·2020-11-04
註冊制？還是審批制
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我爱我的梦
·2020-11-04
赤裸裸的打壓嘛，阻礙不了歷史的車輪！
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虹鸽1018
·2020-11-04
這篇文章不錯，轉發給大家看
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WayneC
·2020-11-04
步子邁太大，扯到蛋了。
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股市淘金者
·2020-11-04
後面該不會是螞蟻主動放棄上市，然後隔個幾年，躲過風聲，然後又遠赴美帝上市吧？
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- 股市淘金者:
  嗯，支持马云?。中国需要更多有远见卓识的企业家，也需要更包容有气度的营商环境。
  2020-11-05
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- ChenXuefeng:
  不要国内上市国内就是没有公平公正，恶劣，银行坑害小企业主坑害老百姓还少吗？？绝对支持马云和蚂蚁颠覆银行业！！
  2020-11-04
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男人味春哥
·2020-11-04
正常監管還是很必要的，防止脫繮的野馬
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- 社区成长助手:
  终于等到了您的初发帖[比心][比心]发帖时关联相关股票或者相关话题，可以获得更多曝光哦～如果您想创作优质文章，请查看老虎社区创作指引
  2020-11-04
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2018牛
·2020-11-04
馬雲說過打敗你的不是技術，可能是一份文件！
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万象入星辰
·2020-11-04
雖然有波折但羊頭效應太大，後面越發吃灰！
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nomore
·2020-11-04
本來上市一方面割全球韭菜，一方面破發給註冊制祭旗，結果港佬準備了做空期權，那就只能暫停上市了
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饿鱼
·2020-11-04
金融沒有希望了
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NDY
·2020-11-03
螞蟻曾經對大象伸出一條腿，說要拌丫一跟頭。
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小虎2776
·2020-11-03
然後就是打擦邊球，結果還太得瑟了。
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让一切随风而去
·2020-11-03
對我們有益就可以了，管他們怎麼鬥
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  终于等到了您的初发帖[比心][比心]发帖时关联相关股票或者相关话题，可以获得更多曝光哦～如果您想创作优质文章，请查看老虎社区创作指引
  2020-11-04
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天火同人
·2020-11-03
本質就是高利貸公司
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- ChenXuefeng:
  银行是赵家的，看你赚钱了我眼红不行吗？公平竞争我玩不过你，但是我有权有后台，弄你不是分分钟
  2020-11-04
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- 扯了:
  蚂蚁那么大的贷款体量，都是拿刀逼着用户们借的吗？蚂蚁的放贷资金那里来的？实际的用户需求摆在那里，这事本来是银行应该做的，他们的资金成本那么低，如果他们来做，就不会有高利贷这一说了，那为什么银行不去做，固有的风控系统，限制银行不能去做，但银行并没有放弃这个市场，间接提供资金给蚂蚁，其实蚂蚁赚的都是辛苦钱，银行才是旱涝保收，这些东西不是局外人能够理解的，所以你说这话也不怪你，但劝你不要让无知蒙蔽了眼睛
  2020-11-04
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- 天火同人:
  你都不知道我在说什么
  2020-11-04
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扯了
·2020-11-03
其實很明顯，螞蟻上市是不是監管批准的？那批准前螞蟻是做什麼事的監管不明白嗎？既然明白爲什麼短短十天就出現這麼戲劇性的變化？結果很明顯，老馬的公開言論觸及了中國金融系統的痛處，與中國主流金融系統和固有的監管思路發生了激烈的碰撞，最終導致了目前的結果，就像老子和兒子之間的代溝，即使老子心裏明白兒子說的有道理，但在公開場合，老子就是老子，你敢讓老子下不來臺，有一嘴巴子就上去，就問你有沒有毛病！服了，以後該怎麼着怎麼着，不服就把你零花錢停了，看你以後聽不聽話！
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- 扯了:
  蚂蚁被批准上市也就十天左右，如果谈不拢，压根不应该过会，如果像你说的这样，是老马在配合监管炒作吗？
  2020-11-04
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- 为爱而伤:
  很明显你倒为因果了。你以为这么大的事，没有公开之前就没有动作了吗？他们是先在下面谈，谈不拢马云才开始公开的。
  2020-11-04
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- 京东商城:
  马云的讲话也是在经历了这么多年捶打之后发出的痛苦哀嚎吧，而监管层也是受到一些权利机构的裹挟，没办法，都在里面，谁都不能独善其身。
  
  等蚂蚁上市的那一天，一切可能都会不同吧
  2020-11-03
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