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Halving Its Market Value Doesn't Make Sea Ltd. Cheap

Bloomberg2022-01-21

There’s an argument to be made for strong valuations, but the e-commerce player needs to prove that growth can be profitable.Founder and CEO Forrest Li may have some explaining to do.Photographer: ...

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Vi14
·2022-01-27
Please let sea stock go up again 😄[Happy]
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QArmieeQ
·2022-01-26
Online shopping is here to stay. Even after all shopping mall opened. I will still will compare the prices with Shoppee. And unfortunately, the online mall is cheaper! Not the same case for online food delivery $Grab Holdings(GRAB)$though.
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xsamuraix
·2022-01-25
yes
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Jackal
·2022-01-25
Logical
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iImba
·2022-01-25
Sell me all Ur SE shares then
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chaicka
·2022-01-24
Well summarised with valid analysis. It's time for wake-up call and corrections closer to reality.
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plain_paper
·2022-01-24
I think it is time to question the management of SEA. Has Li back from the jungle yet? He should enlighten us on the stock continuous plunge.
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granola
·2022-01-21
Hello! Like please. Thanks. :)
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Troedas
·2022-01-21
Cool
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ackk
·2022-01-21
Like
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Jaden994
·2022-01-21
Pls like
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飙高音
·2022-01-21
Great ariticle, would you like to share it?
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patrickLai
·2022-01-21
Good read up
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J1000
·2022-01-21
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SilentInvst1
·2022-01-21
This articles speaks volume. There needs to be a timeline on profitability at some point in time. May I ask what is the projection for first year profit?
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Bobbateaaa
·2022-01-21
Like please thank u
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AzriTan
·2022-01-21
Good business, profits will come.
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That strength means Sea’s digital entertainment unit, Garena, delivers the lion’s share of gross profit.</p><p>Yet it’s the commerce business, Shopee, that elicits the most excitement from shareholders. In November, management raised its 2021 growth forecast for the unit to 135%, from a prior figure of approximately 127%, with revenue to come in at around $5.1 billion. The impact of Covid-19 only partially explains the stronger outlook. On one hand, consumers forced to socially distancehave turned to e-commerce. 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By comparison, Tencent Holdings Ltd., Asia’s largest mobile games company, sits at 6.5-times and 5.6-times respectively. Alibaba Group Holding Ltd., the biggest e-commerce provider in the region, comes inat around 2.5-times and 2.2-times.</p><p>There’s logic to the argument that Sea deserves a premium over peers because it is growing faster. But that only holds weight when management can prove that such expansion is profitable, or may soon become so. Sea’s founder and chief executive officer, Forrest Li, has yet to show evidence he can deliver.</p><p>In fact, net loss is rising even amid break-neck growth because the company continues to spend ever larger sums of money on marketing — more than doubling in the first nine months of last year. This shows that Sea is buying traffic and revenue, rather than enjoying the significant economies of scale it might expect from having more than 700 million quarterly active users of its entertainment services.</p><p>It’s quite possible that Sea will truly reap the reward from years of burning cash to build its place in Southeast Asia’s internet market. But to make that case, management will need to someday stop spending buckets of money to drive the top line, and instead accept slower rates of growth. After all, it’s no longer a young startup pitching to hungry venture capitalists. Equity-market investors eventually want to see sustained profits. Until that happens, valuations will be at the mercy of sentiment more than logic. 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Today, it’s worth less than half that. It may still be overpriced.Driving this massive ramp-up was the credible belief that its position at the cross section of gaming and e-commerce, and its location servicing a quick-growing market, meant that profits would eventually flow to the company. Four years on from its U.S. listing, that still hasn’t happened. In fact, by the end of last year it racked up almost $7 billion in cumulative losses with red ink set to spill for at least another year.To justify their valuations, investors and analysts point to Sea’s rapid growth. And it is impressive. Revenue doubled each of the past four years, driven firstly by a foundation in online games and more recently boosted by a growing presence in e-commerce.“Free Fire,” its battle royale game, similar to “PUBG” and “Fortnite,” continues to be a top-grossing title across the region and helps support both revenue and user engagement. That strength means Sea’s digital entertainment unit, Garena, delivers the lion’s share of gross profit.Yet it’s the commerce business, Shopee, that elicits the most excitement from shareholders. In November, management raised its 2021 growth forecast for the unit to 135%, from a prior figure of approximately 127%, with revenue to come in at around $5.1 billion. The impact of Covid-19 only partially explains the stronger outlook. On one hand, consumers forced to socially distancehave turned to e-commerce. Yet incomes have also been hit, hurting spending power.So the narrative that management is keen to talk up, with recent quarters of data as evidence, is that the pandemic is helping shape consumer behavior. They will then continue to play games and shop online even after the pandemic subsides, goes the argument.Today’s market valuation, even after a 55% drop from its peak, indicates that investors are willing to believe in the notion that Sea has established such patterns and is in a dominant position to profit from them. But at more than $90 billion, it’s still expensive.With no net income, it’s impossible to look at the company’s price-to-earnings ratio. But price-to-sales is the next best thing. Sea is currently trading at 9.5-times expected 2021 sales and 6.5-times analyst estimates for revenue this year. By comparison, Tencent Holdings Ltd., Asia’s largest mobile games company, sits at 6.5-times and 5.6-times respectively. Alibaba Group Holding Ltd., the biggest e-commerce provider in the region, comes inat around 2.5-times and 2.2-times.There’s logic to the argument that Sea deserves a premium over peers because it is growing faster. But that only holds weight when management can prove that such expansion is profitable, or may soon become so. Sea’s founder and chief executive officer, Forrest Li, has yet to show evidence he can deliver.In fact, net loss is rising even amid break-neck growth because the company continues to spend ever larger sums of money on marketing — more than doubling in the first nine months of last year. This shows that Sea is buying traffic and revenue, rather than enjoying the significant economies of scale it might expect from having more than 700 million quarterly active users of its entertainment services.It’s quite possible that Sea will truly reap the reward from years of burning cash to build its place in Southeast Asia’s internet market. But to make that case, management will need to someday stop spending buckets of money to drive the top line, and instead accept slower rates of growth. After all, it’s no longer a young startup pitching to hungry venture capitalists. Equity-market investors eventually want to see sustained profits. Until that happens, valuations will be at the mercy of sentiment more than logic. That’s not a place to be when inflation starts to rise and economies begin to slow.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"tweetType":1,"langContent":"EN"},{"id":9090891324,"gmtCreate":1643147990481,"gmtModify":1676533777510,"author":{"id":"3572474257232421","authorId":"3572474257232421","name":"QArmieeQ","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/4880f6ec2e047cce565a00b5fd10d91f","vip":1,"crmLevel":2,"crmLevelSwitch":1,"idStr":"3572474257232421","authorIdStr":"3572474257232421"},"htmlText":"Online shopping is here to stay. Even after all shopping mall opened. I will still will compare the prices with Shoppee. And unfortunately, the online mall is cheaper!&nbsp; Not the same case for online food delivery&nbsp;<a href=\"https://ttm.financial/S/GRAB\">$Grab Holdings(GRAB)$</a>though.","listText":"Online shopping is here to stay. Even after all shopping mall opened. I will still will compare the prices with Shoppee. And unfortunately, the online mall is cheaper!&nbsp; Not the same case for online food delivery&nbsp;<a href=\"https://ttm.financial/S/GRAB\">$Grab Holdings(GRAB)$</a>though.","text":"Online shopping is here to stay. Even after all shopping mall opened. I will still will compare the prices with Shoppee. And unfortunately, the online mall is cheaper! 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Cheap","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1124789549","media":"Bloomberg","summary":"There’s an argument to be made for strong valuations, but the e-commerce player needs to prove that ","content":"<html><head></head><body><p>There’s an argument to be made for strong valuations, but the e-commerce player needs to prove that growth can be profitable.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/5ee8f19e9fb9a1d715dc68cab3267956\" tg-width=\"2000\" tg-height=\"1334\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/><span>Founder and CEO Forrest Li may have some explaining to do.Photographer: Bloomberg</span></p><p>At the height of investor enthusiasm back in October, the market value of Southeast Asian internet company Sea Ltd. climbed above $200 billion. Today, it’s worth less than half that. It may still be overpriced.</p><p>Driving this massive ramp-up was the credible belief that its position at the cross section of gaming and e-commerce, and its location servicing a quick-growing market, meant that profits would eventually flow to the company. Four years on from its U.S. listing, that still hasn’t happened. In fact, by the end of last year it racked up almost $7 billion in cumulative losses with red ink set to spill for at least another year.</p><p>To justify their valuations, investors and analysts point to Sea’s rapid growth. And it is impressive. Revenue doubled each of the past four years, driven firstly by a foundation in online games and more recently boosted by a growing presence in e-commerce.</p><p>“Free Fire,” its battle royale game, similar to “PUBG” and “Fortnite,” continues to be a top-grossing title across the region and helps support both revenue and user engagement. That strength means Sea’s digital entertainment unit, Garena, delivers the lion’s share of gross profit.</p><p>Yet it’s the commerce business, Shopee, that elicits the most excitement from shareholders. In November, management raised its 2021 growth forecast for the unit to 135%, from a prior figure of approximately 127%, with revenue to come in at around $5.1 billion. The impact of Covid-19 only partially explains the stronger outlook. On one hand, consumers forced to socially distancehave turned to e-commerce. Yet incomes have also been hit, hurting spending power.</p><p>So the narrative that management is keen to talk up, with recent quarters of data as evidence, is that the pandemic is helping shape consumer behavior. They will then continue to play games and shop online even after the pandemic subsides, goes the argument.</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/2f7fad5e3c2a4a50a9e05f6762d75b9f\" tg-width=\"948\" tg-height=\"577\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/></p><p>Today’s market valuation, even after a 55% drop from its peak, indicates that investors are willing to believe in the notion that Sea has established such patterns and is in a dominant position to profit from them. But at more than $90 billion, it’s still expensive.</p><p>With no net income, it’s impossible to look at the company’s price-to-earnings ratio. But price-to-sales is the next best thing. Sea is currently trading at 9.5-times expected 2021 sales and 6.5-times analyst estimates for revenue this year. By comparison, Tencent Holdings Ltd., Asia’s largest mobile games company, sits at 6.5-times and 5.6-times respectively. Alibaba Group Holding Ltd., the biggest e-commerce provider in the region, comes inat around 2.5-times and 2.2-times.</p><p>There’s logic to the argument that Sea deserves a premium over peers because it is growing faster. But that only holds weight when management can prove that such expansion is profitable, or may soon become so. Sea’s founder and chief executive officer, Forrest Li, has yet to show evidence he can deliver.</p><p>In fact, net loss is rising even amid break-neck growth because the company continues to spend ever larger sums of money on marketing — more than doubling in the first nine months of last year. This shows that Sea is buying traffic and revenue, rather than enjoying the significant economies of scale it might expect from having more than 700 million quarterly active users of its entertainment services.</p><p>It’s quite possible that Sea will truly reap the reward from years of burning cash to build its place in Southeast Asia’s internet market. But to make that case, management will need to someday stop spending buckets of money to drive the top line, and instead accept slower rates of growth. After all, it’s no longer a young startup pitching to hungry venture capitalists. Equity-market investors eventually want to see sustained profits. Until that happens, valuations will be at the mercy of sentiment more than logic. That’s not a place to be when inflation starts to rise and economies begin to slow.</p></body></html>","source":"lsy1584095487587","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Halving Its Market Value Doesn't Make Sea Ltd. 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Today, it’s worth less than half that. It may still be overpriced.Driving this massive ramp-up was the credible belief that its position at the cross section of gaming and e-commerce, and its location servicing a quick-growing market, meant that profits would eventually flow to the company. Four years on from its U.S. listing, that still hasn’t happened. In fact, by the end of last year it racked up almost $7 billion in cumulative losses with red ink set to spill for at least another year.To justify their valuations, investors and analysts point to Sea’s rapid growth. And it is impressive. Revenue doubled each of the past four years, driven firstly by a foundation in online games and more recently boosted by a growing presence in e-commerce.“Free Fire,” its battle royale game, similar to “PUBG” and “Fortnite,” continues to be a top-grossing title across the region and helps support both revenue and user engagement. That strength means Sea’s digital entertainment unit, Garena, delivers the lion’s share of gross profit.Yet it’s the commerce business, Shopee, that elicits the most excitement from shareholders. In November, management raised its 2021 growth forecast for the unit to 135%, from a prior figure of approximately 127%, with revenue to come in at around $5.1 billion. The impact of Covid-19 only partially explains the stronger outlook. On one hand, consumers forced to socially distancehave turned to e-commerce. Yet incomes have also been hit, hurting spending power.So the narrative that management is keen to talk up, with recent quarters of data as evidence, is that the pandemic is helping shape consumer behavior. They will then continue to play games and shop online even after the pandemic subsides, goes the argument.Today’s market valuation, even after a 55% drop from its peak, indicates that investors are willing to believe in the notion that Sea has established such patterns and is in a dominant position to profit from them. But at more than $90 billion, it’s still expensive.With no net income, it’s impossible to look at the company’s price-to-earnings ratio. But price-to-sales is the next best thing. Sea is currently trading at 9.5-times expected 2021 sales and 6.5-times analyst estimates for revenue this year. By comparison, Tencent Holdings Ltd., Asia’s largest mobile games company, sits at 6.5-times and 5.6-times respectively. Alibaba Group Holding Ltd., the biggest e-commerce provider in the region, comes inat around 2.5-times and 2.2-times.There’s logic to the argument that Sea deserves a premium over peers because it is growing faster. But that only holds weight when management can prove that such expansion is profitable, or may soon become so. Sea’s founder and chief executive officer, Forrest Li, has yet to show evidence he can deliver.In fact, net loss is rising even amid break-neck growth because the company continues to spend ever larger sums of money on marketing — more than doubling in the first nine months of last year. This shows that Sea is buying traffic and revenue, rather than enjoying the significant economies of scale it might expect from having more than 700 million quarterly active users of its entertainment services.It’s quite possible that Sea will truly reap the reward from years of burning cash to build its place in Southeast Asia’s internet market. But to make that case, management will need to someday stop spending buckets of money to drive the top line, and instead accept slower rates of growth. After all, it’s no longer a young startup pitching to hungry venture capitalists. Equity-market investors eventually want to see sustained profits. Until that happens, valuations will be at the mercy of sentiment more than logic. 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That strength means Sea’s digital entertainment unit, Garena, delivers the lion’s share of gross profit.</p><p>Yet it’s the commerce business, Shopee, that elicits the most excitement from shareholders. In November, management raised its 2021 growth forecast for the unit to 135%, from a prior figure of approximately 127%, with revenue to come in at around $5.1 billion. The impact of Covid-19 only partially explains the stronger outlook. On one hand, consumers forced to socially distancehave turned to e-commerce. Yet incomes have also been hit, hurting spending power.</p><p>So the narrative that management is keen to talk up, with recent quarters of data as evidence, is that the pandemic is helping shape consumer behavior. They will then continue to play games and shop online even after the pandemic subsides, goes the argument.</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/2f7fad5e3c2a4a50a9e05f6762d75b9f\" tg-width=\"948\" tg-height=\"577\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/></p><p>Today’s market valuation, even after a 55% drop from its peak, indicates that investors are willing to believe in the notion that Sea has established such patterns and is in a dominant position to profit from them. But at more than $90 billion, it’s still expensive.</p><p>With no net income, it’s impossible to look at the company’s price-to-earnings ratio. But price-to-sales is the next best thing. Sea is currently trading at 9.5-times expected 2021 sales and 6.5-times analyst estimates for revenue this year. By comparison, Tencent Holdings Ltd., Asia’s largest mobile games company, sits at 6.5-times and 5.6-times respectively. Alibaba Group Holding Ltd., the biggest e-commerce provider in the region, comes inat around 2.5-times and 2.2-times.</p><p>There’s logic to the argument that Sea deserves a premium over peers because it is growing faster. But that only holds weight when management can prove that such expansion is profitable, or may soon become so. Sea’s founder and chief executive officer, Forrest Li, has yet to show evidence he can deliver.</p><p>In fact, net loss is rising even amid break-neck growth because the company continues to spend ever larger sums of money on marketing — more than doubling in the first nine months of last year. This shows that Sea is buying traffic and revenue, rather than enjoying the significant economies of scale it might expect from having more than 700 million quarterly active users of its entertainment services.</p><p>It’s quite possible that Sea will truly reap the reward from years of burning cash to build its place in Southeast Asia’s internet market. But to make that case, management will need to someday stop spending buckets of money to drive the top line, and instead accept slower rates of growth. After all, it’s no longer a young startup pitching to hungry venture capitalists. Equity-market investors eventually want to see sustained profits. Until that happens, valuations will be at the mercy of sentiment more than logic. 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Today, it’s worth less than half that. It may still be overpriced.Driving this massive ramp-up was the credible belief that its position at the cross section of gaming and e-commerce, and its location servicing a quick-growing market, meant that profits would eventually flow to the company. Four years on from its U.S. listing, that still hasn’t happened. In fact, by the end of last year it racked up almost $7 billion in cumulative losses with red ink set to spill for at least another year.To justify their valuations, investors and analysts point to Sea’s rapid growth. And it is impressive. Revenue doubled each of the past four years, driven firstly by a foundation in online games and more recently boosted by a growing presence in e-commerce.“Free Fire,” its battle royale game, similar to “PUBG” and “Fortnite,” continues to be a top-grossing title across the region and helps support both revenue and user engagement. That strength means Sea’s digital entertainment unit, Garena, delivers the lion’s share of gross profit.Yet it’s the commerce business, Shopee, that elicits the most excitement from shareholders. In November, management raised its 2021 growth forecast for the unit to 135%, from a prior figure of approximately 127%, with revenue to come in at around $5.1 billion. The impact of Covid-19 only partially explains the stronger outlook. On one hand, consumers forced to socially distancehave turned to e-commerce. Yet incomes have also been hit, hurting spending power.So the narrative that management is keen to talk up, with recent quarters of data as evidence, is that the pandemic is helping shape consumer behavior. They will then continue to play games and shop online even after the pandemic subsides, goes the argument.Today’s market valuation, even after a 55% drop from its peak, indicates that investors are willing to believe in the notion that Sea has established such patterns and is in a dominant position to profit from them. But at more than $90 billion, it’s still expensive.With no net income, it’s impossible to look at the company’s price-to-earnings ratio. But price-to-sales is the next best thing. Sea is currently trading at 9.5-times expected 2021 sales and 6.5-times analyst estimates for revenue this year. By comparison, Tencent Holdings Ltd., Asia’s largest mobile games company, sits at 6.5-times and 5.6-times respectively. Alibaba Group Holding Ltd., the biggest e-commerce provider in the region, comes inat around 2.5-times and 2.2-times.There’s logic to the argument that Sea deserves a premium over peers because it is growing faster. But that only holds weight when management can prove that such expansion is profitable, or may soon become so. Sea’s founder and chief executive officer, Forrest Li, has yet to show evidence he can deliver.In fact, net loss is rising even amid break-neck growth because the company continues to spend ever larger sums of money on marketing — more than doubling in the first nine months of last year. This shows that Sea is buying traffic and revenue, rather than enjoying the significant economies of scale it might expect from having more than 700 million quarterly active users of its entertainment services.It’s quite possible that Sea will truly reap the reward from years of burning cash to build its place in Southeast Asia’s internet market. But to make that case, management will need to someday stop spending buckets of money to drive the top line, and instead accept slower rates of growth. After all, it’s no longer a young startup pitching to hungry venture capitalists. Equity-market investors eventually want to see sustained profits. Until that happens, valuations will be at the mercy of sentiment more than logic. That’s not a place to be when inflation starts to rise and economies begin to slow.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"tweetType":1,"langContent":"EN"},{"id":9090395075,"gmtCreate":1643076591845,"gmtModify":1676533771957,"author":{"id":"3575889284821775","authorId":"3575889284821775","name":"Jackal","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/2136f45897935c64401ef537e9af93c9","vip":1,"hat":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/646756f1284a5a6480ed02cc4fa7d1d2","crmLevel":6,"crmLevelSwitch":1,"idStr":"3575889284821775","authorIdStr":"3575889284821775"},"htmlText":"Logical&nbsp;","listText":"Logical&nbsp;","text":"Logical","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":1,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/9090395075","repostId":1124789549,"repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"1124789549","kind":"news","pubTimestamp":1642751903,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/1124789549?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2022-01-21 15:58","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Halving Its Market Value Doesn't Make Sea Ltd. Cheap","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1124789549","media":"Bloomberg","summary":"There’s an argument to be made for strong valuations, but the e-commerce player needs to prove that ","content":"<html><head></head><body><p>There’s an argument to be made for strong valuations, but the e-commerce player needs to prove that growth can be profitable.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/5ee8f19e9fb9a1d715dc68cab3267956\" tg-width=\"2000\" tg-height=\"1334\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/><span>Founder and CEO Forrest Li may have some explaining to do.Photographer: Bloomberg</span></p><p>At the height of investor enthusiasm back in October, the market value of Southeast Asian internet company Sea Ltd. climbed above $200 billion. Today, it’s worth less than half that. It may still be overpriced.</p><p>Driving this massive ramp-up was the credible belief that its position at the cross section of gaming and e-commerce, and its location servicing a quick-growing market, meant that profits would eventually flow to the company. Four years on from its U.S. listing, that still hasn’t happened. In fact, by the end of last year it racked up almost $7 billion in cumulative losses with red ink set to spill for at least another year.</p><p>To justify their valuations, investors and analysts point to Sea’s rapid growth. And it is impressive. Revenue doubled each of the past four years, driven firstly by a foundation in online games and more recently boosted by a growing presence in e-commerce.</p><p>“Free Fire,” its battle royale game, similar to “PUBG” and “Fortnite,” continues to be a top-grossing title across the region and helps support both revenue and user engagement. That strength means Sea’s digital entertainment unit, Garena, delivers the lion’s share of gross profit.</p><p>Yet it’s the commerce business, Shopee, that elicits the most excitement from shareholders. In November, management raised its 2021 growth forecast for the unit to 135%, from a prior figure of approximately 127%, with revenue to come in at around $5.1 billion. The impact of Covid-19 only partially explains the stronger outlook. On one hand, consumers forced to socially distancehave turned to e-commerce. Yet incomes have also been hit, hurting spending power.</p><p>So the narrative that management is keen to talk up, with recent quarters of data as evidence, is that the pandemic is helping shape consumer behavior. They will then continue to play games and shop online even after the pandemic subsides, goes the argument.</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/2f7fad5e3c2a4a50a9e05f6762d75b9f\" tg-width=\"948\" tg-height=\"577\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/></p><p>Today’s market valuation, even after a 55% drop from its peak, indicates that investors are willing to believe in the notion that Sea has established such patterns and is in a dominant position to profit from them. But at more than $90 billion, it’s still expensive.</p><p>With no net income, it’s impossible to look at the company’s price-to-earnings ratio. But price-to-sales is the next best thing. Sea is currently trading at 9.5-times expected 2021 sales and 6.5-times analyst estimates for revenue this year. By comparison, Tencent Holdings Ltd., Asia’s largest mobile games company, sits at 6.5-times and 5.6-times respectively. Alibaba Group Holding Ltd., the biggest e-commerce provider in the region, comes inat around 2.5-times and 2.2-times.</p><p>There’s logic to the argument that Sea deserves a premium over peers because it is growing faster. But that only holds weight when management can prove that such expansion is profitable, or may soon become so. Sea’s founder and chief executive officer, Forrest Li, has yet to show evidence he can deliver.</p><p>In fact, net loss is rising even amid break-neck growth because the company continues to spend ever larger sums of money on marketing — more than doubling in the first nine months of last year. This shows that Sea is buying traffic and revenue, rather than enjoying the significant economies of scale it might expect from having more than 700 million quarterly active users of its entertainment services.</p><p>It’s quite possible that Sea will truly reap the reward from years of burning cash to build its place in Southeast Asia’s internet market. But to make that case, management will need to someday stop spending buckets of money to drive the top line, and instead accept slower rates of growth. After all, it’s no longer a young startup pitching to hungry venture capitalists. Equity-market investors eventually want to see sustained profits. Until that happens, valuations will be at the mercy of sentiment more than logic. 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Cheap\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2022-01-21 15:58 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-01-20/with-rising-inflation-slower-spending-sea-will-need-to-show-it-can-make-money?srnd=premium><strong>Bloomberg</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>There’s an argument to be made for strong valuations, but the e-commerce player needs to prove that growth can be profitable.Founder and CEO Forrest Li may have some explaining to do.Photographer: ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-01-20/with-rising-inflation-slower-spending-sea-will-need-to-show-it-can-make-money?srnd=premium\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"SE":"Sea Ltd"},"source_url":"https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-01-20/with-rising-inflation-slower-spending-sea-will-need-to-show-it-can-make-money?srnd=premium","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1124789549","content_text":"There’s an argument to be made for strong valuations, but the e-commerce player needs to prove that growth can be profitable.Founder and CEO Forrest Li may have some explaining to do.Photographer: BloombergAt the height of investor enthusiasm back in October, the market value of Southeast Asian internet company Sea Ltd. climbed above $200 billion. Today, it’s worth less than half that. It may still be overpriced.Driving this massive ramp-up was the credible belief that its position at the cross section of gaming and e-commerce, and its location servicing a quick-growing market, meant that profits would eventually flow to the company. Four years on from its U.S. listing, that still hasn’t happened. In fact, by the end of last year it racked up almost $7 billion in cumulative losses with red ink set to spill for at least another year.To justify their valuations, investors and analysts point to Sea’s rapid growth. And it is impressive. Revenue doubled each of the past four years, driven firstly by a foundation in online games and more recently boosted by a growing presence in e-commerce.“Free Fire,” its battle royale game, similar to “PUBG” and “Fortnite,” continues to be a top-grossing title across the region and helps support both revenue and user engagement. That strength means Sea’s digital entertainment unit, Garena, delivers the lion’s share of gross profit.Yet it’s the commerce business, Shopee, that elicits the most excitement from shareholders. In November, management raised its 2021 growth forecast for the unit to 135%, from a prior figure of approximately 127%, with revenue to come in at around $5.1 billion. The impact of Covid-19 only partially explains the stronger outlook. On one hand, consumers forced to socially distancehave turned to e-commerce. Yet incomes have also been hit, hurting spending power.So the narrative that management is keen to talk up, with recent quarters of data as evidence, is that the pandemic is helping shape consumer behavior. They will then continue to play games and shop online even after the pandemic subsides, goes the argument.Today’s market valuation, even after a 55% drop from its peak, indicates that investors are willing to believe in the notion that Sea has established such patterns and is in a dominant position to profit from them. But at more than $90 billion, it’s still expensive.With no net income, it’s impossible to look at the company’s price-to-earnings ratio. But price-to-sales is the next best thing. Sea is currently trading at 9.5-times expected 2021 sales and 6.5-times analyst estimates for revenue this year. By comparison, Tencent Holdings Ltd., Asia’s largest mobile games company, sits at 6.5-times and 5.6-times respectively. Alibaba Group Holding Ltd., the biggest e-commerce provider in the region, comes inat around 2.5-times and 2.2-times.There’s logic to the argument that Sea deserves a premium over peers because it is growing faster. But that only holds weight when management can prove that such expansion is profitable, or may soon become so. Sea’s founder and chief executive officer, Forrest Li, has yet to show evidence he can deliver.In fact, net loss is rising even amid break-neck growth because the company continues to spend ever larger sums of money on marketing — more than doubling in the first nine months of last year. This shows that Sea is buying traffic and revenue, rather than enjoying the significant economies of scale it might expect from having more than 700 million quarterly active users of its entertainment services.It’s quite possible that Sea will truly reap the reward from years of burning cash to build its place in Southeast Asia’s internet market. But to make that case, management will need to someday stop spending buckets of money to drive the top line, and instead accept slower rates of growth. After all, it’s no longer a young startup pitching to hungry venture capitalists. Equity-market investors eventually want to see sustained profits. Until that happens, valuations will be at the mercy of sentiment more than logic. That’s not a place to be when inflation starts to rise and economies begin to slow.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"tweetType":1,"langContent":"EN"},{"id":9090054160,"gmtCreate":1643041029408,"gmtModify":1676533768012,"author":{"id":"3573771226233818","authorId":"3573771226233818","name":"iImba","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/2253c7a4701d3d505950766c3e8c4837","vip":1,"crmLevel":8,"crmLevelSwitch":1,"idStr":"3573771226233818","authorIdStr":"3573771226233818"},"htmlText":"Sell me all Ur SE&nbsp;shares then","listText":"Sell me all Ur SE&nbsp;shares then","text":"Sell me all Ur SE shares then","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":1,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/9090054160","repostId":1124789549,"repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"1124789549","kind":"news","pubTimestamp":1642751903,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/1124789549?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2022-01-21 15:58","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Halving Its Market Value Doesn't Make Sea Ltd. Cheap","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1124789549","media":"Bloomberg","summary":"There’s an argument to be made for strong valuations, but the e-commerce player needs to prove that ","content":"<html><head></head><body><p>There’s an argument to be made for strong valuations, but the e-commerce player needs to prove that growth can be profitable.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/5ee8f19e9fb9a1d715dc68cab3267956\" tg-width=\"2000\" tg-height=\"1334\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/><span>Founder and CEO Forrest Li may have some explaining to do.Photographer: Bloomberg</span></p><p>At the height of investor enthusiasm back in October, the market value of Southeast Asian internet company Sea Ltd. climbed above $200 billion. Today, it’s worth less than half that. It may still be overpriced.</p><p>Driving this massive ramp-up was the credible belief that its position at the cross section of gaming and e-commerce, and its location servicing a quick-growing market, meant that profits would eventually flow to the company. Four years on from its U.S. listing, that still hasn’t happened. In fact, by the end of last year it racked up almost $7 billion in cumulative losses with red ink set to spill for at least another year.</p><p>To justify their valuations, investors and analysts point to Sea’s rapid growth. And it is impressive. Revenue doubled each of the past four years, driven firstly by a foundation in online games and more recently boosted by a growing presence in e-commerce.</p><p>“Free Fire,” its battle royale game, similar to “PUBG” and “Fortnite,” continues to be a top-grossing title across the region and helps support both revenue and user engagement. That strength means Sea’s digital entertainment unit, Garena, delivers the lion’s share of gross profit.</p><p>Yet it’s the commerce business, Shopee, that elicits the most excitement from shareholders. In November, management raised its 2021 growth forecast for the unit to 135%, from a prior figure of approximately 127%, with revenue to come in at around $5.1 billion. The impact of Covid-19 only partially explains the stronger outlook. On one hand, consumers forced to socially distancehave turned to e-commerce. Yet incomes have also been hit, hurting spending power.</p><p>So the narrative that management is keen to talk up, with recent quarters of data as evidence, is that the pandemic is helping shape consumer behavior. They will then continue to play games and shop online even after the pandemic subsides, goes the argument.</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/2f7fad5e3c2a4a50a9e05f6762d75b9f\" tg-width=\"948\" tg-height=\"577\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/></p><p>Today’s market valuation, even after a 55% drop from its peak, indicates that investors are willing to believe in the notion that Sea has established such patterns and is in a dominant position to profit from them. But at more than $90 billion, it’s still expensive.</p><p>With no net income, it’s impossible to look at the company’s price-to-earnings ratio. But price-to-sales is the next best thing. Sea is currently trading at 9.5-times expected 2021 sales and 6.5-times analyst estimates for revenue this year. By comparison, Tencent Holdings Ltd., Asia’s largest mobile games company, sits at 6.5-times and 5.6-times respectively. Alibaba Group Holding Ltd., the biggest e-commerce provider in the region, comes inat around 2.5-times and 2.2-times.</p><p>There’s logic to the argument that Sea deserves a premium over peers because it is growing faster. But that only holds weight when management can prove that such expansion is profitable, or may soon become so. Sea’s founder and chief executive officer, Forrest Li, has yet to show evidence he can deliver.</p><p>In fact, net loss is rising even amid break-neck growth because the company continues to spend ever larger sums of money on marketing — more than doubling in the first nine months of last year. This shows that Sea is buying traffic and revenue, rather than enjoying the significant economies of scale it might expect from having more than 700 million quarterly active users of its entertainment services.</p><p>It’s quite possible that Sea will truly reap the reward from years of burning cash to build its place in Southeast Asia’s internet market. But to make that case, management will need to someday stop spending buckets of money to drive the top line, and instead accept slower rates of growth. After all, it’s no longer a young startup pitching to hungry venture capitalists. Equity-market investors eventually want to see sustained profits. Until that happens, valuations will be at the mercy of sentiment more than logic. That’s not a place to be when inflation starts to rise and economies begin to slow.</p></body></html>","source":"lsy1584095487587","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Halving Its Market Value Doesn't Make Sea Ltd. 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Cheap\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2022-01-21 15:58 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-01-20/with-rising-inflation-slower-spending-sea-will-need-to-show-it-can-make-money?srnd=premium><strong>Bloomberg</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>There’s an argument to be made for strong valuations, but the e-commerce player needs to prove that growth can be profitable.Founder and CEO Forrest Li may have some explaining to do.Photographer: ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-01-20/with-rising-inflation-slower-spending-sea-will-need-to-show-it-can-make-money?srnd=premium\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"SE":"Sea Ltd"},"source_url":"https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-01-20/with-rising-inflation-slower-spending-sea-will-need-to-show-it-can-make-money?srnd=premium","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1124789549","content_text":"There’s an argument to be made for strong valuations, but the e-commerce player needs to prove that growth can be profitable.Founder and CEO Forrest Li may have some explaining to do.Photographer: BloombergAt the height of investor enthusiasm back in October, the market value of Southeast Asian internet company Sea Ltd. climbed above $200 billion. Today, it’s worth less than half that. It may still be overpriced.Driving this massive ramp-up was the credible belief that its position at the cross section of gaming and e-commerce, and its location servicing a quick-growing market, meant that profits would eventually flow to the company. Four years on from its U.S. listing, that still hasn’t happened. In fact, by the end of last year it racked up almost $7 billion in cumulative losses with red ink set to spill for at least another year.To justify their valuations, investors and analysts point to Sea’s rapid growth. And it is impressive. Revenue doubled each of the past four years, driven firstly by a foundation in online games and more recently boosted by a growing presence in e-commerce.“Free Fire,” its battle royale game, similar to “PUBG” and “Fortnite,” continues to be a top-grossing title across the region and helps support both revenue and user engagement. That strength means Sea’s digital entertainment unit, Garena, delivers the lion’s share of gross profit.Yet it’s the commerce business, Shopee, that elicits the most excitement from shareholders. In November, management raised its 2021 growth forecast for the unit to 135%, from a prior figure of approximately 127%, with revenue to come in at around $5.1 billion. The impact of Covid-19 only partially explains the stronger outlook. On one hand, consumers forced to socially distancehave turned to e-commerce. Yet incomes have also been hit, hurting spending power.So the narrative that management is keen to talk up, with recent quarters of data as evidence, is that the pandemic is helping shape consumer behavior. They will then continue to play games and shop online even after the pandemic subsides, goes the argument.Today’s market valuation, even after a 55% drop from its peak, indicates that investors are willing to believe in the notion that Sea has established such patterns and is in a dominant position to profit from them. But at more than $90 billion, it’s still expensive.With no net income, it’s impossible to look at the company’s price-to-earnings ratio. But price-to-sales is the next best thing. Sea is currently trading at 9.5-times expected 2021 sales and 6.5-times analyst estimates for revenue this year. By comparison, Tencent Holdings Ltd., Asia’s largest mobile games company, sits at 6.5-times and 5.6-times respectively. Alibaba Group Holding Ltd., the biggest e-commerce provider in the region, comes inat around 2.5-times and 2.2-times.There’s logic to the argument that Sea deserves a premium over peers because it is growing faster. But that only holds weight when management can prove that such expansion is profitable, or may soon become so. Sea’s founder and chief executive officer, Forrest Li, has yet to show evidence he can deliver.In fact, net loss is rising even amid break-neck growth because the company continues to spend ever larger sums of money on marketing — more than doubling in the first nine months of last year. This shows that Sea is buying traffic and revenue, rather than enjoying the significant economies of scale it might expect from having more than 700 million quarterly active users of its entertainment services.It’s quite possible that Sea will truly reap the reward from years of burning cash to build its place in Southeast Asia’s internet market. But to make that case, management will need to someday stop spending buckets of money to drive the top line, and instead accept slower rates of growth. After all, it’s no longer a young startup pitching to hungry venture capitalists. Equity-market investors eventually want to see sustained profits. Until that happens, valuations will be at the mercy of sentiment more than logic. That’s not a place to be when inflation starts to rise and economies begin to slow.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"tweetType":1,"langContent":"EN"},{"id":9090026183,"gmtCreate":1643038011857,"gmtModify":1676533767708,"author":{"id":"4090019857770890","authorId":"4090019857770890","name":"chaicka","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/c0c291a2a7983f128cf68e5b01fedd73","vip":1,"crmLevel":6,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"idStr":"4090019857770890","authorIdStr":"4090019857770890"},"htmlText":"Well summarised with valid analysis. It's time for wake-up call and corrections closer to reality.","listText":"Well summarised with valid analysis. It's time for wake-up call and corrections closer to reality.","text":"Well summarised with valid analysis. It's time for wake-up call and corrections closer to reality.","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":2,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/9090026183","repostId":1124789549,"repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"1124789549","kind":"news","pubTimestamp":1642751903,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/1124789549?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2022-01-21 15:58","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Halving Its Market Value Doesn't Make Sea Ltd. Cheap","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1124789549","media":"Bloomberg","summary":"There’s an argument to be made for strong valuations, but the e-commerce player needs to prove that ","content":"<html><head></head><body><p>There’s an argument to be made for strong valuations, but the e-commerce player needs to prove that growth can be profitable.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/5ee8f19e9fb9a1d715dc68cab3267956\" tg-width=\"2000\" tg-height=\"1334\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/><span>Founder and CEO Forrest Li may have some explaining to do.Photographer: Bloomberg</span></p><p>At the height of investor enthusiasm back in October, the market value of Southeast Asian internet company Sea Ltd. climbed above $200 billion. Today, it’s worth less than half that. It may still be overpriced.</p><p>Driving this massive ramp-up was the credible belief that its position at the cross section of gaming and e-commerce, and its location servicing a quick-growing market, meant that profits would eventually flow to the company. Four years on from its U.S. listing, that still hasn’t happened. In fact, by the end of last year it racked up almost $7 billion in cumulative losses with red ink set to spill for at least another year.</p><p>To justify their valuations, investors and analysts point to Sea’s rapid growth. And it is impressive. Revenue doubled each of the past four years, driven firstly by a foundation in online games and more recently boosted by a growing presence in e-commerce.</p><p>“Free Fire,” its battle royale game, similar to “PUBG” and “Fortnite,” continues to be a top-grossing title across the region and helps support both revenue and user engagement. That strength means Sea’s digital entertainment unit, Garena, delivers the lion’s share of gross profit.</p><p>Yet it’s the commerce business, Shopee, that elicits the most excitement from shareholders. In November, management raised its 2021 growth forecast for the unit to 135%, from a prior figure of approximately 127%, with revenue to come in at around $5.1 billion. The impact of Covid-19 only partially explains the stronger outlook. On one hand, consumers forced to socially distancehave turned to e-commerce. Yet incomes have also been hit, hurting spending power.</p><p>So the narrative that management is keen to talk up, with recent quarters of data as evidence, is that the pandemic is helping shape consumer behavior. They will then continue to play games and shop online even after the pandemic subsides, goes the argument.</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/2f7fad5e3c2a4a50a9e05f6762d75b9f\" tg-width=\"948\" tg-height=\"577\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/></p><p>Today’s market valuation, even after a 55% drop from its peak, indicates that investors are willing to believe in the notion that Sea has established such patterns and is in a dominant position to profit from them. But at more than $90 billion, it’s still expensive.</p><p>With no net income, it’s impossible to look at the company’s price-to-earnings ratio. But price-to-sales is the next best thing. Sea is currently trading at 9.5-times expected 2021 sales and 6.5-times analyst estimates for revenue this year. By comparison, Tencent Holdings Ltd., Asia’s largest mobile games company, sits at 6.5-times and 5.6-times respectively. Alibaba Group Holding Ltd., the biggest e-commerce provider in the region, comes inat around 2.5-times and 2.2-times.</p><p>There’s logic to the argument that Sea deserves a premium over peers because it is growing faster. But that only holds weight when management can prove that such expansion is profitable, or may soon become so. Sea’s founder and chief executive officer, Forrest Li, has yet to show evidence he can deliver.</p><p>In fact, net loss is rising even amid break-neck growth because the company continues to spend ever larger sums of money on marketing — more than doubling in the first nine months of last year. This shows that Sea is buying traffic and revenue, rather than enjoying the significant economies of scale it might expect from having more than 700 million quarterly active users of its entertainment services.</p><p>It’s quite possible that Sea will truly reap the reward from years of burning cash to build its place in Southeast Asia’s internet market. But to make that case, management will need to someday stop spending buckets of money to drive the top line, and instead accept slower rates of growth. After all, it’s no longer a young startup pitching to hungry venture capitalists. Equity-market investors eventually want to see sustained profits. Until that happens, valuations will be at the mercy of sentiment more than logic. That’s not a place to be when inflation starts to rise and economies begin to slow.</p></body></html>","source":"lsy1584095487587","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Halving Its Market Value Doesn't Make Sea Ltd. 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Cheap\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2022-01-21 15:58 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-01-20/with-rising-inflation-slower-spending-sea-will-need-to-show-it-can-make-money?srnd=premium><strong>Bloomberg</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>There’s an argument to be made for strong valuations, but the e-commerce player needs to prove that growth can be profitable.Founder and CEO Forrest Li may have some explaining to do.Photographer: ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-01-20/with-rising-inflation-slower-spending-sea-will-need-to-show-it-can-make-money?srnd=premium\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"SE":"Sea Ltd"},"source_url":"https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-01-20/with-rising-inflation-slower-spending-sea-will-need-to-show-it-can-make-money?srnd=premium","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1124789549","content_text":"There’s an argument to be made for strong valuations, but the e-commerce player needs to prove that growth can be profitable.Founder and CEO Forrest Li may have some explaining to do.Photographer: BloombergAt the height of investor enthusiasm back in October, the market value of Southeast Asian internet company Sea Ltd. climbed above $200 billion. Today, it’s worth less than half that. It may still be overpriced.Driving this massive ramp-up was the credible belief that its position at the cross section of gaming and e-commerce, and its location servicing a quick-growing market, meant that profits would eventually flow to the company. Four years on from its U.S. listing, that still hasn’t happened. In fact, by the end of last year it racked up almost $7 billion in cumulative losses with red ink set to spill for at least another year.To justify their valuations, investors and analysts point to Sea’s rapid growth. And it is impressive. Revenue doubled each of the past four years, driven firstly by a foundation in online games and more recently boosted by a growing presence in e-commerce.“Free Fire,” its battle royale game, similar to “PUBG” and “Fortnite,” continues to be a top-grossing title across the region and helps support both revenue and user engagement. That strength means Sea’s digital entertainment unit, Garena, delivers the lion’s share of gross profit.Yet it’s the commerce business, Shopee, that elicits the most excitement from shareholders. In November, management raised its 2021 growth forecast for the unit to 135%, from a prior figure of approximately 127%, with revenue to come in at around $5.1 billion. The impact of Covid-19 only partially explains the stronger outlook. On one hand, consumers forced to socially distancehave turned to e-commerce. Yet incomes have also been hit, hurting spending power.So the narrative that management is keen to talk up, with recent quarters of data as evidence, is that the pandemic is helping shape consumer behavior. They will then continue to play games and shop online even after the pandemic subsides, goes the argument.Today’s market valuation, even after a 55% drop from its peak, indicates that investors are willing to believe in the notion that Sea has established such patterns and is in a dominant position to profit from them. But at more than $90 billion, it’s still expensive.With no net income, it’s impossible to look at the company’s price-to-earnings ratio. But price-to-sales is the next best thing. Sea is currently trading at 9.5-times expected 2021 sales and 6.5-times analyst estimates for revenue this year. By comparison, Tencent Holdings Ltd., Asia’s largest mobile games company, sits at 6.5-times and 5.6-times respectively. Alibaba Group Holding Ltd., the biggest e-commerce provider in the region, comes inat around 2.5-times and 2.2-times.There’s logic to the argument that Sea deserves a premium over peers because it is growing faster. But that only holds weight when management can prove that such expansion is profitable, or may soon become so. Sea’s founder and chief executive officer, Forrest Li, has yet to show evidence he can deliver.In fact, net loss is rising even amid break-neck growth because the company continues to spend ever larger sums of money on marketing — more than doubling in the first nine months of last year. This shows that Sea is buying traffic and revenue, rather than enjoying the significant economies of scale it might expect from having more than 700 million quarterly active users of its entertainment services.It’s quite possible that Sea will truly reap the reward from years of burning cash to build its place in Southeast Asia’s internet market. But to make that case, management will need to someday stop spending buckets of money to drive the top line, and instead accept slower rates of growth. After all, it’s no longer a young startup pitching to hungry venture capitalists. Equity-market investors eventually want to see sustained profits. Until that happens, valuations will be at the mercy of sentiment more than logic. That’s not a place to be when inflation starts to rise and economies begin to slow.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"tweetType":1,"langContent":"EN"},{"id":9090061458,"gmtCreate":1643036679040,"gmtModify":1676533767380,"author":{"id":"3586898051180640","authorId":"3586898051180640","name":"plain_paper","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/c12c15cb7f5aae068da5dd6a62e59a75","vip":1,"crmLevel":2,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"idStr":"3586898051180640","authorIdStr":"3586898051180640"},"htmlText":"I think it is time to question the management of SEA. Has Li back from the jungle yet?&nbsp;He should enlighten us on the stock continuous plunge.&nbsp;","listText":"I think it is time to question the management of SEA. Has Li back from the jungle yet?&nbsp;He should enlighten us on the stock continuous plunge.&nbsp;","text":"I think it is time to question the management of SEA. Has Li back from the jungle yet? He should enlighten us on the stock continuous plunge.","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":1,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/9090061458","repostId":1124789549,"repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"1124789549","kind":"news","pubTimestamp":1642751903,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/1124789549?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2022-01-21 15:58","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Halving Its Market Value Doesn't Make Sea Ltd. Cheap","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1124789549","media":"Bloomberg","summary":"There’s an argument to be made for strong valuations, but the e-commerce player needs to prove that ","content":"<html><head></head><body><p>There’s an argument to be made for strong valuations, but the e-commerce player needs to prove that growth can be profitable.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/5ee8f19e9fb9a1d715dc68cab3267956\" tg-width=\"2000\" tg-height=\"1334\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/><span>Founder and CEO Forrest Li may have some explaining to do.Photographer: Bloomberg</span></p><p>At the height of investor enthusiasm back in October, the market value of Southeast Asian internet company Sea Ltd. climbed above $200 billion. Today, it’s worth less than half that. It may still be overpriced.</p><p>Driving this massive ramp-up was the credible belief that its position at the cross section of gaming and e-commerce, and its location servicing a quick-growing market, meant that profits would eventually flow to the company. Four years on from its U.S. listing, that still hasn’t happened. In fact, by the end of last year it racked up almost $7 billion in cumulative losses with red ink set to spill for at least another year.</p><p>To justify their valuations, investors and analysts point to Sea’s rapid growth. And it is impressive. Revenue doubled each of the past four years, driven firstly by a foundation in online games and more recently boosted by a growing presence in e-commerce.</p><p>“Free Fire,” its battle royale game, similar to “PUBG” and “Fortnite,” continues to be a top-grossing title across the region and helps support both revenue and user engagement. That strength means Sea’s digital entertainment unit, Garena, delivers the lion’s share of gross profit.</p><p>Yet it’s the commerce business, Shopee, that elicits the most excitement from shareholders. In November, management raised its 2021 growth forecast for the unit to 135%, from a prior figure of approximately 127%, with revenue to come in at around $5.1 billion. The impact of Covid-19 only partially explains the stronger outlook. On one hand, consumers forced to socially distancehave turned to e-commerce. Yet incomes have also been hit, hurting spending power.</p><p>So the narrative that management is keen to talk up, with recent quarters of data as evidence, is that the pandemic is helping shape consumer behavior. They will then continue to play games and shop online even after the pandemic subsides, goes the argument.</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/2f7fad5e3c2a4a50a9e05f6762d75b9f\" tg-width=\"948\" tg-height=\"577\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/></p><p>Today’s market valuation, even after a 55% drop from its peak, indicates that investors are willing to believe in the notion that Sea has established such patterns and is in a dominant position to profit from them. But at more than $90 billion, it’s still expensive.</p><p>With no net income, it’s impossible to look at the company’s price-to-earnings ratio. But price-to-sales is the next best thing. Sea is currently trading at 9.5-times expected 2021 sales and 6.5-times analyst estimates for revenue this year. By comparison, Tencent Holdings Ltd., Asia’s largest mobile games company, sits at 6.5-times and 5.6-times respectively. Alibaba Group Holding Ltd., the biggest e-commerce provider in the region, comes inat around 2.5-times and 2.2-times.</p><p>There’s logic to the argument that Sea deserves a premium over peers because it is growing faster. But that only holds weight when management can prove that such expansion is profitable, or may soon become so. Sea’s founder and chief executive officer, Forrest Li, has yet to show evidence he can deliver.</p><p>In fact, net loss is rising even amid break-neck growth because the company continues to spend ever larger sums of money on marketing — more than doubling in the first nine months of last year. This shows that Sea is buying traffic and revenue, rather than enjoying the significant economies of scale it might expect from having more than 700 million quarterly active users of its entertainment services.</p><p>It’s quite possible that Sea will truly reap the reward from years of burning cash to build its place in Southeast Asia’s internet market. But to make that case, management will need to someday stop spending buckets of money to drive the top line, and instead accept slower rates of growth. After all, it’s no longer a young startup pitching to hungry venture capitalists. Equity-market investors eventually want to see sustained profits. Until that happens, valuations will be at the mercy of sentiment more than logic. That’s not a place to be when inflation starts to rise and economies begin to slow.</p></body></html>","source":"lsy1584095487587","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Halving Its Market Value Doesn't Make Sea Ltd. 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Cheap\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2022-01-21 15:58 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-01-20/with-rising-inflation-slower-spending-sea-will-need-to-show-it-can-make-money?srnd=premium><strong>Bloomberg</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>There’s an argument to be made for strong valuations, but the e-commerce player needs to prove that growth can be profitable.Founder and CEO Forrest Li may have some explaining to do.Photographer: ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-01-20/with-rising-inflation-slower-spending-sea-will-need-to-show-it-can-make-money?srnd=premium\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"SE":"Sea Ltd"},"source_url":"https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-01-20/with-rising-inflation-slower-spending-sea-will-need-to-show-it-can-make-money?srnd=premium","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1124789549","content_text":"There’s an argument to be made for strong valuations, but the e-commerce player needs to prove that growth can be profitable.Founder and CEO Forrest Li may have some explaining to do.Photographer: BloombergAt the height of investor enthusiasm back in October, the market value of Southeast Asian internet company Sea Ltd. climbed above $200 billion. Today, it’s worth less than half that. It may still be overpriced.Driving this massive ramp-up was the credible belief that its position at the cross section of gaming and e-commerce, and its location servicing a quick-growing market, meant that profits would eventually flow to the company. Four years on from its U.S. listing, that still hasn’t happened. In fact, by the end of last year it racked up almost $7 billion in cumulative losses with red ink set to spill for at least another year.To justify their valuations, investors and analysts point to Sea’s rapid growth. And it is impressive. Revenue doubled each of the past four years, driven firstly by a foundation in online games and more recently boosted by a growing presence in e-commerce.“Free Fire,” its battle royale game, similar to “PUBG” and “Fortnite,” continues to be a top-grossing title across the region and helps support both revenue and user engagement. That strength means Sea’s digital entertainment unit, Garena, delivers the lion’s share of gross profit.Yet it’s the commerce business, Shopee, that elicits the most excitement from shareholders. In November, management raised its 2021 growth forecast for the unit to 135%, from a prior figure of approximately 127%, with revenue to come in at around $5.1 billion. The impact of Covid-19 only partially explains the stronger outlook. On one hand, consumers forced to socially distancehave turned to e-commerce. Yet incomes have also been hit, hurting spending power.So the narrative that management is keen to talk up, with recent quarters of data as evidence, is that the pandemic is helping shape consumer behavior. They will then continue to play games and shop online even after the pandemic subsides, goes the argument.Today’s market valuation, even after a 55% drop from its peak, indicates that investors are willing to believe in the notion that Sea has established such patterns and is in a dominant position to profit from them. But at more than $90 billion, it’s still expensive.With no net income, it’s impossible to look at the company’s price-to-earnings ratio. But price-to-sales is the next best thing. Sea is currently trading at 9.5-times expected 2021 sales and 6.5-times analyst estimates for revenue this year. By comparison, Tencent Holdings Ltd., Asia’s largest mobile games company, sits at 6.5-times and 5.6-times respectively. Alibaba Group Holding Ltd., the biggest e-commerce provider in the region, comes inat around 2.5-times and 2.2-times.There’s logic to the argument that Sea deserves a premium over peers because it is growing faster. But that only holds weight when management can prove that such expansion is profitable, or may soon become so. Sea’s founder and chief executive officer, Forrest Li, has yet to show evidence he can deliver.In fact, net loss is rising even amid break-neck growth because the company continues to spend ever larger sums of money on marketing — more than doubling in the first nine months of last year. This shows that Sea is buying traffic and revenue, rather than enjoying the significant economies of scale it might expect from having more than 700 million quarterly active users of its entertainment services.It’s quite possible that Sea will truly reap the reward from years of burning cash to build its place in Southeast Asia’s internet market. But to make that case, management will need to someday stop spending buckets of money to drive the top line, and instead accept slower rates of growth. After all, it’s no longer a young startup pitching to hungry venture capitalists. Equity-market investors eventually want to see sustained profits. Until that happens, valuations will be at the mercy of sentiment more than logic. That’s not a place to be when inflation starts to rise and economies begin to slow.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"tweetType":1,"langContent":"EN"},{"id":9007942984,"gmtCreate":1642755381343,"gmtModify":1676533743173,"author":{"id":"3581678282566598","authorId":"3581678282566598","name":"granola","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/794ef04b19a3c79578c403c50a016ac3","vip":1,"crmLevel":2,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"idStr":"3581678282566598","authorIdStr":"3581678282566598"},"htmlText":"Hello! Like please. Thanks. :)","listText":"Hello! Like please. Thanks. :)","text":"Hello! Like please. Thanks. :)","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":3,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/9007942984","repostId":1124789549,"repostType":4,"repost":{"id":"1124789549","kind":"news","pubTimestamp":1642751903,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/1124789549?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2022-01-21 15:58","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Halving Its Market Value Doesn't Make Sea Ltd. Cheap","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1124789549","media":"Bloomberg","summary":"There’s an argument to be made for strong valuations, but the e-commerce player needs to prove that ","content":"<html><head></head><body><p>There’s an argument to be made for strong valuations, but the e-commerce player needs to prove that growth can be profitable.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/5ee8f19e9fb9a1d715dc68cab3267956\" tg-width=\"2000\" tg-height=\"1334\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/><span>Founder and CEO Forrest Li may have some explaining to do.Photographer: Bloomberg</span></p><p>At the height of investor enthusiasm back in October, the market value of Southeast Asian internet company Sea Ltd. climbed above $200 billion. Today, it’s worth less than half that. It may still be overpriced.</p><p>Driving this massive ramp-up was the credible belief that its position at the cross section of gaming and e-commerce, and its location servicing a quick-growing market, meant that profits would eventually flow to the company. Four years on from its U.S. listing, that still hasn’t happened. In fact, by the end of last year it racked up almost $7 billion in cumulative losses with red ink set to spill for at least another year.</p><p>To justify their valuations, investors and analysts point to Sea’s rapid growth. And it is impressive. Revenue doubled each of the past four years, driven firstly by a foundation in online games and more recently boosted by a growing presence in e-commerce.</p><p>“Free Fire,” its battle royale game, similar to “PUBG” and “Fortnite,” continues to be a top-grossing title across the region and helps support both revenue and user engagement. That strength means Sea’s digital entertainment unit, Garena, delivers the lion’s share of gross profit.</p><p>Yet it’s the commerce business, Shopee, that elicits the most excitement from shareholders. In November, management raised its 2021 growth forecast for the unit to 135%, from a prior figure of approximately 127%, with revenue to come in at around $5.1 billion. The impact of Covid-19 only partially explains the stronger outlook. On one hand, consumers forced to socially distancehave turned to e-commerce. Yet incomes have also been hit, hurting spending power.</p><p>So the narrative that management is keen to talk up, with recent quarters of data as evidence, is that the pandemic is helping shape consumer behavior. They will then continue to play games and shop online even after the pandemic subsides, goes the argument.</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/2f7fad5e3c2a4a50a9e05f6762d75b9f\" tg-width=\"948\" tg-height=\"577\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/></p><p>Today’s market valuation, even after a 55% drop from its peak, indicates that investors are willing to believe in the notion that Sea has established such patterns and is in a dominant position to profit from them. But at more than $90 billion, it’s still expensive.</p><p>With no net income, it’s impossible to look at the company’s price-to-earnings ratio. But price-to-sales is the next best thing. Sea is currently trading at 9.5-times expected 2021 sales and 6.5-times analyst estimates for revenue this year. By comparison, Tencent Holdings Ltd., Asia’s largest mobile games company, sits at 6.5-times and 5.6-times respectively. Alibaba Group Holding Ltd., the biggest e-commerce provider in the region, comes inat around 2.5-times and 2.2-times.</p><p>There’s logic to the argument that Sea deserves a premium over peers because it is growing faster. But that only holds weight when management can prove that such expansion is profitable, or may soon become so. Sea’s founder and chief executive officer, Forrest Li, has yet to show evidence he can deliver.</p><p>In fact, net loss is rising even amid break-neck growth because the company continues to spend ever larger sums of money on marketing — more than doubling in the first nine months of last year. This shows that Sea is buying traffic and revenue, rather than enjoying the significant economies of scale it might expect from having more than 700 million quarterly active users of its entertainment services.</p><p>It’s quite possible that Sea will truly reap the reward from years of burning cash to build its place in Southeast Asia’s internet market. But to make that case, management will need to someday stop spending buckets of money to drive the top line, and instead accept slower rates of growth. After all, it’s no longer a young startup pitching to hungry venture capitalists. Equity-market investors eventually want to see sustained profits. Until that happens, valuations will be at the mercy of sentiment more than logic. That’s not a place to be when inflation starts to rise and economies begin to slow.</p></body></html>","source":"lsy1584095487587","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Halving Its Market Value Doesn't Make Sea Ltd. 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Today, it’s worth less than half that. It may still be overpriced.Driving this massive ramp-up was the credible belief that its position at the cross section of gaming and e-commerce, and its location servicing a quick-growing market, meant that profits would eventually flow to the company. Four years on from its U.S. listing, that still hasn’t happened. In fact, by the end of last year it racked up almost $7 billion in cumulative losses with red ink set to spill for at least another year.To justify their valuations, investors and analysts point to Sea’s rapid growth. And it is impressive. Revenue doubled each of the past four years, driven firstly by a foundation in online games and more recently boosted by a growing presence in e-commerce.“Free Fire,” its battle royale game, similar to “PUBG” and “Fortnite,” continues to be a top-grossing title across the region and helps support both revenue and user engagement. That strength means Sea’s digital entertainment unit, Garena, delivers the lion’s share of gross profit.Yet it’s the commerce business, Shopee, that elicits the most excitement from shareholders. In November, management raised its 2021 growth forecast for the unit to 135%, from a prior figure of approximately 127%, with revenue to come in at around $5.1 billion. The impact of Covid-19 only partially explains the stronger outlook. On one hand, consumers forced to socially distancehave turned to e-commerce. Yet incomes have also been hit, hurting spending power.So the narrative that management is keen to talk up, with recent quarters of data as evidence, is that the pandemic is helping shape consumer behavior. They will then continue to play games and shop online even after the pandemic subsides, goes the argument.Today’s market valuation, even after a 55% drop from its peak, indicates that investors are willing to believe in the notion that Sea has established such patterns and is in a dominant position to profit from them. But at more than $90 billion, it’s still expensive.With no net income, it’s impossible to look at the company’s price-to-earnings ratio. But price-to-sales is the next best thing. Sea is currently trading at 9.5-times expected 2021 sales and 6.5-times analyst estimates for revenue this year. By comparison, Tencent Holdings Ltd., Asia’s largest mobile games company, sits at 6.5-times and 5.6-times respectively. Alibaba Group Holding Ltd., the biggest e-commerce provider in the region, comes inat around 2.5-times and 2.2-times.There’s logic to the argument that Sea deserves a premium over peers because it is growing faster. But that only holds weight when management can prove that such expansion is profitable, or may soon become so. Sea’s founder and chief executive officer, Forrest Li, has yet to show evidence he can deliver.In fact, net loss is rising even amid break-neck growth because the company continues to spend ever larger sums of money on marketing — more than doubling in the first nine months of last year. This shows that Sea is buying traffic and revenue, rather than enjoying the significant economies of scale it might expect from having more than 700 million quarterly active users of its entertainment services.It’s quite possible that Sea will truly reap the reward from years of burning cash to build its place in Southeast Asia’s internet market. But to make that case, management will need to someday stop spending buckets of money to drive the top line, and instead accept slower rates of growth. After all, it’s no longer a young startup pitching to hungry venture capitalists. Equity-market investors eventually want to see sustained profits. Until that happens, valuations will be at the mercy of sentiment more than logic. That’s not a place to be when inflation starts to rise and economies begin to slow.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"tweetType":1,"langContent":"EN"},{"id":9007946686,"gmtCreate":1642754737577,"gmtModify":1676533743149,"author":{"id":"3559088164596385","authorId":"3559088164596385","name":"Troedas","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","vip":1,"crmLevel":5,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"idStr":"3559088164596385","authorIdStr":"3559088164596385"},"htmlText":"Cool","listText":"Cool","text":"Cool","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":1,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/9007946686","repostId":1124789549,"repostType":4,"repost":{"id":"1124789549","kind":"news","pubTimestamp":1642751903,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/1124789549?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2022-01-21 15:58","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Halving Its Market Value Doesn't Make Sea Ltd. Cheap","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1124789549","media":"Bloomberg","summary":"There’s an argument to be made for strong valuations, but the e-commerce player needs to prove that ","content":"<html><head></head><body><p>There’s an argument to be made for strong valuations, but the e-commerce player needs to prove that growth can be profitable.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/5ee8f19e9fb9a1d715dc68cab3267956\" tg-width=\"2000\" tg-height=\"1334\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/><span>Founder and CEO Forrest Li may have some explaining to do.Photographer: Bloomberg</span></p><p>At the height of investor enthusiasm back in October, the market value of Southeast Asian internet company Sea Ltd. climbed above $200 billion. Today, it’s worth less than half that. It may still be overpriced.</p><p>Driving this massive ramp-up was the credible belief that its position at the cross section of gaming and e-commerce, and its location servicing a quick-growing market, meant that profits would eventually flow to the company. Four years on from its U.S. listing, that still hasn’t happened. In fact, by the end of last year it racked up almost $7 billion in cumulative losses with red ink set to spill for at least another year.</p><p>To justify their valuations, investors and analysts point to Sea’s rapid growth. And it is impressive. Revenue doubled each of the past four years, driven firstly by a foundation in online games and more recently boosted by a growing presence in e-commerce.</p><p>“Free Fire,” its battle royale game, similar to “PUBG” and “Fortnite,” continues to be a top-grossing title across the region and helps support both revenue and user engagement. That strength means Sea’s digital entertainment unit, Garena, delivers the lion’s share of gross profit.</p><p>Yet it’s the commerce business, Shopee, that elicits the most excitement from shareholders. In November, management raised its 2021 growth forecast for the unit to 135%, from a prior figure of approximately 127%, with revenue to come in at around $5.1 billion. The impact of Covid-19 only partially explains the stronger outlook. On one hand, consumers forced to socially distancehave turned to e-commerce. Yet incomes have also been hit, hurting spending power.</p><p>So the narrative that management is keen to talk up, with recent quarters of data as evidence, is that the pandemic is helping shape consumer behavior. They will then continue to play games and shop online even after the pandemic subsides, goes the argument.</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/2f7fad5e3c2a4a50a9e05f6762d75b9f\" tg-width=\"948\" tg-height=\"577\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/></p><p>Today’s market valuation, even after a 55% drop from its peak, indicates that investors are willing to believe in the notion that Sea has established such patterns and is in a dominant position to profit from them. But at more than $90 billion, it’s still expensive.</p><p>With no net income, it’s impossible to look at the company’s price-to-earnings ratio. But price-to-sales is the next best thing. Sea is currently trading at 9.5-times expected 2021 sales and 6.5-times analyst estimates for revenue this year. By comparison, Tencent Holdings Ltd., Asia’s largest mobile games company, sits at 6.5-times and 5.6-times respectively. Alibaba Group Holding Ltd., the biggest e-commerce provider in the region, comes inat around 2.5-times and 2.2-times.</p><p>There’s logic to the argument that Sea deserves a premium over peers because it is growing faster. But that only holds weight when management can prove that such expansion is profitable, or may soon become so. Sea’s founder and chief executive officer, Forrest Li, has yet to show evidence he can deliver.</p><p>In fact, net loss is rising even amid break-neck growth because the company continues to spend ever larger sums of money on marketing — more than doubling in the first nine months of last year. This shows that Sea is buying traffic and revenue, rather than enjoying the significant economies of scale it might expect from having more than 700 million quarterly active users of its entertainment services.</p><p>It’s quite possible that Sea will truly reap the reward from years of burning cash to build its place in Southeast Asia’s internet market. But to make that case, management will need to someday stop spending buckets of money to drive the top line, and instead accept slower rates of growth. After all, it’s no longer a young startup pitching to hungry venture capitalists. Equity-market investors eventually want to see sustained profits. Until that happens, valuations will be at the mercy of sentiment more than logic. That’s not a place to be when inflation starts to rise and economies begin to slow.</p></body></html>","source":"lsy1584095487587","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Halving Its Market Value Doesn't Make Sea Ltd. 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Cheap\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2022-01-21 15:58 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-01-20/with-rising-inflation-slower-spending-sea-will-need-to-show-it-can-make-money?srnd=premium><strong>Bloomberg</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>There’s an argument to be made for strong valuations, but the e-commerce player needs to prove that growth can be profitable.Founder and CEO Forrest Li may have some explaining to do.Photographer: ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-01-20/with-rising-inflation-slower-spending-sea-will-need-to-show-it-can-make-money?srnd=premium\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"SE":"Sea Ltd"},"source_url":"https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-01-20/with-rising-inflation-slower-spending-sea-will-need-to-show-it-can-make-money?srnd=premium","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1124789549","content_text":"There’s an argument to be made for strong valuations, but the e-commerce player needs to prove that growth can be profitable.Founder and CEO Forrest Li may have some explaining to do.Photographer: BloombergAt the height of investor enthusiasm back in October, the market value of Southeast Asian internet company Sea Ltd. climbed above $200 billion. Today, it’s worth less than half that. It may still be overpriced.Driving this massive ramp-up was the credible belief that its position at the cross section of gaming and e-commerce, and its location servicing a quick-growing market, meant that profits would eventually flow to the company. Four years on from its U.S. listing, that still hasn’t happened. In fact, by the end of last year it racked up almost $7 billion in cumulative losses with red ink set to spill for at least another year.To justify their valuations, investors and analysts point to Sea’s rapid growth. And it is impressive. Revenue doubled each of the past four years, driven firstly by a foundation in online games and more recently boosted by a growing presence in e-commerce.“Free Fire,” its battle royale game, similar to “PUBG” and “Fortnite,” continues to be a top-grossing title across the region and helps support both revenue and user engagement. That strength means Sea’s digital entertainment unit, Garena, delivers the lion’s share of gross profit.Yet it’s the commerce business, Shopee, that elicits the most excitement from shareholders. In November, management raised its 2021 growth forecast for the unit to 135%, from a prior figure of approximately 127%, with revenue to come in at around $5.1 billion. The impact of Covid-19 only partially explains the stronger outlook. On one hand, consumers forced to socially distancehave turned to e-commerce. Yet incomes have also been hit, hurting spending power.So the narrative that management is keen to talk up, with recent quarters of data as evidence, is that the pandemic is helping shape consumer behavior. They will then continue to play games and shop online even after the pandemic subsides, goes the argument.Today’s market valuation, even after a 55% drop from its peak, indicates that investors are willing to believe in the notion that Sea has established such patterns and is in a dominant position to profit from them. But at more than $90 billion, it’s still expensive.With no net income, it’s impossible to look at the company’s price-to-earnings ratio. But price-to-sales is the next best thing. Sea is currently trading at 9.5-times expected 2021 sales and 6.5-times analyst estimates for revenue this year. By comparison, Tencent Holdings Ltd., Asia’s largest mobile games company, sits at 6.5-times and 5.6-times respectively. Alibaba Group Holding Ltd., the biggest e-commerce provider in the region, comes inat around 2.5-times and 2.2-times.There’s logic to the argument that Sea deserves a premium over peers because it is growing faster. But that only holds weight when management can prove that such expansion is profitable, or may soon become so. Sea’s founder and chief executive officer, Forrest Li, has yet to show evidence he can deliver.In fact, net loss is rising even amid break-neck growth because the company continues to spend ever larger sums of money on marketing — more than doubling in the first nine months of last year. This shows that Sea is buying traffic and revenue, rather than enjoying the significant economies of scale it might expect from having more than 700 million quarterly active users of its entertainment services.It’s quite possible that Sea will truly reap the reward from years of burning cash to build its place in Southeast Asia’s internet market. But to make that case, management will need to someday stop spending buckets of money to drive the top line, and instead accept slower rates of growth. After all, it’s no longer a young startup pitching to hungry venture capitalists. Equity-market investors eventually want to see sustained profits. Until that happens, valuations will be at the mercy of sentiment more than logic. That’s not a place to be when inflation starts to rise and economies begin to slow.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"tweetType":1,"langContent":"EN"},{"id":9007946056,"gmtCreate":1642753940813,"gmtModify":1676533743133,"author":{"id":"3570010307518897","authorId":"3570010307518897","name":"ackk","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","vip":1,"crmLevel":3,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"idStr":"3570010307518897","authorIdStr":"3570010307518897"},"htmlText":"Like","listText":"Like","text":"Like","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":3,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/9007946056","repostId":1124789549,"repostType":4,"repost":{"id":"1124789549","kind":"news","pubTimestamp":1642751903,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/1124789549?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2022-01-21 15:58","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Halving Its Market Value Doesn't Make Sea Ltd. Cheap","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1124789549","media":"Bloomberg","summary":"There’s an argument to be made for strong valuations, but the e-commerce player needs to prove that ","content":"<html><head></head><body><p>There’s an argument to be made for strong valuations, but the e-commerce player needs to prove that growth can be profitable.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/5ee8f19e9fb9a1d715dc68cab3267956\" tg-width=\"2000\" tg-height=\"1334\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/><span>Founder and CEO Forrest Li may have some explaining to do.Photographer: Bloomberg</span></p><p>At the height of investor enthusiasm back in October, the market value of Southeast Asian internet company Sea Ltd. climbed above $200 billion. Today, it’s worth less than half that. It may still be overpriced.</p><p>Driving this massive ramp-up was the credible belief that its position at the cross section of gaming and e-commerce, and its location servicing a quick-growing market, meant that profits would eventually flow to the company. Four years on from its U.S. listing, that still hasn’t happened. In fact, by the end of last year it racked up almost $7 billion in cumulative losses with red ink set to spill for at least another year.</p><p>To justify their valuations, investors and analysts point to Sea’s rapid growth. And it is impressive. Revenue doubled each of the past four years, driven firstly by a foundation in online games and more recently boosted by a growing presence in e-commerce.</p><p>“Free Fire,” its battle royale game, similar to “PUBG” and “Fortnite,” continues to be a top-grossing title across the region and helps support both revenue and user engagement. That strength means Sea’s digital entertainment unit, Garena, delivers the lion’s share of gross profit.</p><p>Yet it’s the commerce business, Shopee, that elicits the most excitement from shareholders. In November, management raised its 2021 growth forecast for the unit to 135%, from a prior figure of approximately 127%, with revenue to come in at around $5.1 billion. The impact of Covid-19 only partially explains the stronger outlook. On one hand, consumers forced to socially distancehave turned to e-commerce. Yet incomes have also been hit, hurting spending power.</p><p>So the narrative that management is keen to talk up, with recent quarters of data as evidence, is that the pandemic is helping shape consumer behavior. They will then continue to play games and shop online even after the pandemic subsides, goes the argument.</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/2f7fad5e3c2a4a50a9e05f6762d75b9f\" tg-width=\"948\" tg-height=\"577\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/></p><p>Today’s market valuation, even after a 55% drop from its peak, indicates that investors are willing to believe in the notion that Sea has established such patterns and is in a dominant position to profit from them. But at more than $90 billion, it’s still expensive.</p><p>With no net income, it’s impossible to look at the company’s price-to-earnings ratio. But price-to-sales is the next best thing. Sea is currently trading at 9.5-times expected 2021 sales and 6.5-times analyst estimates for revenue this year. By comparison, Tencent Holdings Ltd., Asia’s largest mobile games company, sits at 6.5-times and 5.6-times respectively. Alibaba Group Holding Ltd., the biggest e-commerce provider in the region, comes inat around 2.5-times and 2.2-times.</p><p>There’s logic to the argument that Sea deserves a premium over peers because it is growing faster. But that only holds weight when management can prove that such expansion is profitable, or may soon become so. Sea’s founder and chief executive officer, Forrest Li, has yet to show evidence he can deliver.</p><p>In fact, net loss is rising even amid break-neck growth because the company continues to spend ever larger sums of money on marketing — more than doubling in the first nine months of last year. This shows that Sea is buying traffic and revenue, rather than enjoying the significant economies of scale it might expect from having more than 700 million quarterly active users of its entertainment services.</p><p>It’s quite possible that Sea will truly reap the reward from years of burning cash to build its place in Southeast Asia’s internet market. But to make that case, management will need to someday stop spending buckets of money to drive the top line, and instead accept slower rates of growth. After all, it’s no longer a young startup pitching to hungry venture capitalists. Equity-market investors eventually want to see sustained profits. Until that happens, valuations will be at the mercy of sentiment more than logic. That’s not a place to be when inflation starts to rise and economies begin to slow.</p></body></html>","source":"lsy1584095487587","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Halving Its Market Value Doesn't Make Sea Ltd. 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Today, it’s worth less than half that. It may still be overpriced.Driving this massive ramp-up was the credible belief that its position at the cross section of gaming and e-commerce, and its location servicing a quick-growing market, meant that profits would eventually flow to the company. Four years on from its U.S. listing, that still hasn’t happened. In fact, by the end of last year it racked up almost $7 billion in cumulative losses with red ink set to spill for at least another year.To justify their valuations, investors and analysts point to Sea’s rapid growth. And it is impressive. Revenue doubled each of the past four years, driven firstly by a foundation in online games and more recently boosted by a growing presence in e-commerce.“Free Fire,” its battle royale game, similar to “PUBG” and “Fortnite,” continues to be a top-grossing title across the region and helps support both revenue and user engagement. That strength means Sea’s digital entertainment unit, Garena, delivers the lion’s share of gross profit.Yet it’s the commerce business, Shopee, that elicits the most excitement from shareholders. In November, management raised its 2021 growth forecast for the unit to 135%, from a prior figure of approximately 127%, with revenue to come in at around $5.1 billion. The impact of Covid-19 only partially explains the stronger outlook. On one hand, consumers forced to socially distancehave turned to e-commerce. Yet incomes have also been hit, hurting spending power.So the narrative that management is keen to talk up, with recent quarters of data as evidence, is that the pandemic is helping shape consumer behavior. They will then continue to play games and shop online even after the pandemic subsides, goes the argument.Today’s market valuation, even after a 55% drop from its peak, indicates that investors are willing to believe in the notion that Sea has established such patterns and is in a dominant position to profit from them. But at more than $90 billion, it’s still expensive.With no net income, it’s impossible to look at the company’s price-to-earnings ratio. But price-to-sales is the next best thing. Sea is currently trading at 9.5-times expected 2021 sales and 6.5-times analyst estimates for revenue this year. By comparison, Tencent Holdings Ltd., Asia’s largest mobile games company, sits at 6.5-times and 5.6-times respectively. Alibaba Group Holding Ltd., the biggest e-commerce provider in the region, comes inat around 2.5-times and 2.2-times.There’s logic to the argument that Sea deserves a premium over peers because it is growing faster. But that only holds weight when management can prove that such expansion is profitable, or may soon become so. Sea’s founder and chief executive officer, Forrest Li, has yet to show evidence he can deliver.In fact, net loss is rising even amid break-neck growth because the company continues to spend ever larger sums of money on marketing — more than doubling in the first nine months of last year. This shows that Sea is buying traffic and revenue, rather than enjoying the significant economies of scale it might expect from having more than 700 million quarterly active users of its entertainment services.It’s quite possible that Sea will truly reap the reward from years of burning cash to build its place in Southeast Asia’s internet market. But to make that case, management will need to someday stop spending buckets of money to drive the top line, and instead accept slower rates of growth. After all, it’s no longer a young startup pitching to hungry venture capitalists. Equity-market investors eventually want to see sustained profits. Until that happens, valuations will be at the mercy of sentiment more than logic. That’s not a place to be when inflation starts to rise and economies begin to slow.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"tweetType":1,"langContent":"EN"},{"id":9007948882,"gmtCreate":1642753764004,"gmtModify":1676533743125,"author":{"id":"3581726861154705","authorId":"3581726861154705","name":"Jaden994","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","vip":1,"crmLevel":2,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"idStr":"3581726861154705","authorIdStr":"3581726861154705"},"htmlText":"Pls like","listText":"Pls like","text":"Pls like","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":4,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/9007948882","repostId":1124789549,"repostType":4,"repost":{"id":"1124789549","kind":"news","pubTimestamp":1642751903,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/1124789549?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2022-01-21 15:58","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Halving Its Market Value Doesn't Make Sea Ltd. Cheap","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1124789549","media":"Bloomberg","summary":"There’s an argument to be made for strong valuations, but the e-commerce player needs to prove that ","content":"<html><head></head><body><p>There’s an argument to be made for strong valuations, but the e-commerce player needs to prove that growth can be profitable.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/5ee8f19e9fb9a1d715dc68cab3267956\" tg-width=\"2000\" tg-height=\"1334\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/><span>Founder and CEO Forrest Li may have some explaining to do.Photographer: Bloomberg</span></p><p>At the height of investor enthusiasm back in October, the market value of Southeast Asian internet company Sea Ltd. climbed above $200 billion. Today, it’s worth less than half that. It may still be overpriced.</p><p>Driving this massive ramp-up was the credible belief that its position at the cross section of gaming and e-commerce, and its location servicing a quick-growing market, meant that profits would eventually flow to the company. Four years on from its U.S. listing, that still hasn’t happened. In fact, by the end of last year it racked up almost $7 billion in cumulative losses with red ink set to spill for at least another year.</p><p>To justify their valuations, investors and analysts point to Sea’s rapid growth. And it is impressive. Revenue doubled each of the past four years, driven firstly by a foundation in online games and more recently boosted by a growing presence in e-commerce.</p><p>“Free Fire,” its battle royale game, similar to “PUBG” and “Fortnite,” continues to be a top-grossing title across the region and helps support both revenue and user engagement. That strength means Sea’s digital entertainment unit, Garena, delivers the lion’s share of gross profit.</p><p>Yet it’s the commerce business, Shopee, that elicits the most excitement from shareholders. In November, management raised its 2021 growth forecast for the unit to 135%, from a prior figure of approximately 127%, with revenue to come in at around $5.1 billion. The impact of Covid-19 only partially explains the stronger outlook. On one hand, consumers forced to socially distancehave turned to e-commerce. Yet incomes have also been hit, hurting spending power.</p><p>So the narrative that management is keen to talk up, with recent quarters of data as evidence, is that the pandemic is helping shape consumer behavior. They will then continue to play games and shop online even after the pandemic subsides, goes the argument.</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/2f7fad5e3c2a4a50a9e05f6762d75b9f\" tg-width=\"948\" tg-height=\"577\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/></p><p>Today’s market valuation, even after a 55% drop from its peak, indicates that investors are willing to believe in the notion that Sea has established such patterns and is in a dominant position to profit from them. But at more than $90 billion, it’s still expensive.</p><p>With no net income, it’s impossible to look at the company’s price-to-earnings ratio. But price-to-sales is the next best thing. Sea is currently trading at 9.5-times expected 2021 sales and 6.5-times analyst estimates for revenue this year. By comparison, Tencent Holdings Ltd., Asia’s largest mobile games company, sits at 6.5-times and 5.6-times respectively. Alibaba Group Holding Ltd., the biggest e-commerce provider in the region, comes inat around 2.5-times and 2.2-times.</p><p>There’s logic to the argument that Sea deserves a premium over peers because it is growing faster. But that only holds weight when management can prove that such expansion is profitable, or may soon become so. Sea’s founder and chief executive officer, Forrest Li, has yet to show evidence he can deliver.</p><p>In fact, net loss is rising even amid break-neck growth because the company continues to spend ever larger sums of money on marketing — more than doubling in the first nine months of last year. This shows that Sea is buying traffic and revenue, rather than enjoying the significant economies of scale it might expect from having more than 700 million quarterly active users of its entertainment services.</p><p>It’s quite possible that Sea will truly reap the reward from years of burning cash to build its place in Southeast Asia’s internet market. But to make that case, management will need to someday stop spending buckets of money to drive the top line, and instead accept slower rates of growth. After all, it’s no longer a young startup pitching to hungry venture capitalists. Equity-market investors eventually want to see sustained profits. Until that happens, valuations will be at the mercy of sentiment more than logic. That’s not a place to be when inflation starts to rise and economies begin to slow.</p></body></html>","source":"lsy1584095487587","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Halving Its Market Value Doesn't Make Sea Ltd. 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Cheap\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2022-01-21 15:58 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-01-20/with-rising-inflation-slower-spending-sea-will-need-to-show-it-can-make-money?srnd=premium><strong>Bloomberg</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>There’s an argument to be made for strong valuations, but the e-commerce player needs to prove that growth can be profitable.Founder and CEO Forrest Li may have some explaining to do.Photographer: ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-01-20/with-rising-inflation-slower-spending-sea-will-need-to-show-it-can-make-money?srnd=premium\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"SE":"Sea Ltd"},"source_url":"https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-01-20/with-rising-inflation-slower-spending-sea-will-need-to-show-it-can-make-money?srnd=premium","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1124789549","content_text":"There’s an argument to be made for strong valuations, but the e-commerce player needs to prove that growth can be profitable.Founder and CEO Forrest Li may have some explaining to do.Photographer: BloombergAt the height of investor enthusiasm back in October, the market value of Southeast Asian internet company Sea Ltd. climbed above $200 billion. Today, it’s worth less than half that. It may still be overpriced.Driving this massive ramp-up was the credible belief that its position at the cross section of gaming and e-commerce, and its location servicing a quick-growing market, meant that profits would eventually flow to the company. Four years on from its U.S. listing, that still hasn’t happened. In fact, by the end of last year it racked up almost $7 billion in cumulative losses with red ink set to spill for at least another year.To justify their valuations, investors and analysts point to Sea’s rapid growth. And it is impressive. Revenue doubled each of the past four years, driven firstly by a foundation in online games and more recently boosted by a growing presence in e-commerce.“Free Fire,” its battle royale game, similar to “PUBG” and “Fortnite,” continues to be a top-grossing title across the region and helps support both revenue and user engagement. That strength means Sea’s digital entertainment unit, Garena, delivers the lion’s share of gross profit.Yet it’s the commerce business, Shopee, that elicits the most excitement from shareholders. In November, management raised its 2021 growth forecast for the unit to 135%, from a prior figure of approximately 127%, with revenue to come in at around $5.1 billion. The impact of Covid-19 only partially explains the stronger outlook. On one hand, consumers forced to socially distancehave turned to e-commerce. Yet incomes have also been hit, hurting spending power.So the narrative that management is keen to talk up, with recent quarters of data as evidence, is that the pandemic is helping shape consumer behavior. They will then continue to play games and shop online even after the pandemic subsides, goes the argument.Today’s market valuation, even after a 55% drop from its peak, indicates that investors are willing to believe in the notion that Sea has established such patterns and is in a dominant position to profit from them. But at more than $90 billion, it’s still expensive.With no net income, it’s impossible to look at the company’s price-to-earnings ratio. But price-to-sales is the next best thing. Sea is currently trading at 9.5-times expected 2021 sales and 6.5-times analyst estimates for revenue this year. By comparison, Tencent Holdings Ltd., Asia’s largest mobile games company, sits at 6.5-times and 5.6-times respectively. Alibaba Group Holding Ltd., the biggest e-commerce provider in the region, comes inat around 2.5-times and 2.2-times.There’s logic to the argument that Sea deserves a premium over peers because it is growing faster. But that only holds weight when management can prove that such expansion is profitable, or may soon become so. Sea’s founder and chief executive officer, Forrest Li, has yet to show evidence he can deliver.In fact, net loss is rising even amid break-neck growth because the company continues to spend ever larger sums of money on marketing — more than doubling in the first nine months of last year. This shows that Sea is buying traffic and revenue, rather than enjoying the significant economies of scale it might expect from having more than 700 million quarterly active users of its entertainment services.It’s quite possible that Sea will truly reap the reward from years of burning cash to build its place in Southeast Asia’s internet market. But to make that case, management will need to someday stop spending buckets of money to drive the top line, and instead accept slower rates of growth. After all, it’s no longer a young startup pitching to hungry venture capitalists. Equity-market investors eventually want to see sustained profits. Until that happens, valuations will be at the mercy of sentiment more than logic. That’s not a place to be when inflation starts to rise and economies begin to slow.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"tweetType":1,"langContent":"EN"},{"id":9007948071,"gmtCreate":1642753577723,"gmtModify":1676533743117,"author":{"id":"3582709856792743","authorId":"3582709856792743","name":"飙高音","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/475b76d560816b91289272c06ae8dfff","vip":1,"crmLevel":1,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"idStr":"3582709856792743","authorIdStr":"3582709856792743"},"htmlText":"Great ariticle, would you like to share it?","listText":"Great ariticle, would you like to share it?","text":"Great ariticle, would you like to share it?","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":3,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/9007948071","repostId":1124789549,"repostType":4,"repost":{"id":"1124789549","kind":"news","pubTimestamp":1642751903,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/1124789549?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2022-01-21 15:58","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Halving Its Market Value Doesn't Make Sea Ltd. 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Today, it’s worth less than half that. It may still be overpriced.</p><p>Driving this massive ramp-up was the credible belief that its position at the cross section of gaming and e-commerce, and its location servicing a quick-growing market, meant that profits would eventually flow to the company. Four years on from its U.S. listing, that still hasn’t happened. In fact, by the end of last year it racked up almost $7 billion in cumulative losses with red ink set to spill for at least another year.</p><p>To justify their valuations, investors and analysts point to Sea’s rapid growth. And it is impressive. Revenue doubled each of the past four years, driven firstly by a foundation in online games and more recently boosted by a growing presence in e-commerce.</p><p>“Free Fire,” its battle royale game, similar to “PUBG” and “Fortnite,” continues to be a top-grossing title across the region and helps support both revenue and user engagement. That strength means Sea’s digital entertainment unit, Garena, delivers the lion’s share of gross profit.</p><p>Yet it’s the commerce business, Shopee, that elicits the most excitement from shareholders. In November, management raised its 2021 growth forecast for the unit to 135%, from a prior figure of approximately 127%, with revenue to come in at around $5.1 billion. The impact of Covid-19 only partially explains the stronger outlook. On one hand, consumers forced to socially distancehave turned to e-commerce. Yet incomes have also been hit, hurting spending power.</p><p>So the narrative that management is keen to talk up, with recent quarters of data as evidence, is that the pandemic is helping shape consumer behavior. They will then continue to play games and shop online even after the pandemic subsides, goes the argument.</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/2f7fad5e3c2a4a50a9e05f6762d75b9f\" tg-width=\"948\" tg-height=\"577\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/></p><p>Today’s market valuation, even after a 55% drop from its peak, indicates that investors are willing to believe in the notion that Sea has established such patterns and is in a dominant position to profit from them. But at more than $90 billion, it’s still expensive.</p><p>With no net income, it’s impossible to look at the company’s price-to-earnings ratio. But price-to-sales is the next best thing. Sea is currently trading at 9.5-times expected 2021 sales and 6.5-times analyst estimates for revenue this year. By comparison, Tencent Holdings Ltd., Asia’s largest mobile games company, sits at 6.5-times and 5.6-times respectively. Alibaba Group Holding Ltd., the biggest e-commerce provider in the region, comes inat around 2.5-times and 2.2-times.</p><p>There’s logic to the argument that Sea deserves a premium over peers because it is growing faster. But that only holds weight when management can prove that such expansion is profitable, or may soon become so. Sea’s founder and chief executive officer, Forrest Li, has yet to show evidence he can deliver.</p><p>In fact, net loss is rising even amid break-neck growth because the company continues to spend ever larger sums of money on marketing — more than doubling in the first nine months of last year. This shows that Sea is buying traffic and revenue, rather than enjoying the significant economies of scale it might expect from having more than 700 million quarterly active users of its entertainment services.</p><p>It’s quite possible that Sea will truly reap the reward from years of burning cash to build its place in Southeast Asia’s internet market. But to make that case, management will need to someday stop spending buckets of money to drive the top line, and instead accept slower rates of growth. After all, it’s no longer a young startup pitching to hungry venture capitalists. Equity-market investors eventually want to see sustained profits. Until that happens, valuations will be at the mercy of sentiment more than logic. 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Cheap\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2022-01-21 15:58 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-01-20/with-rising-inflation-slower-spending-sea-will-need-to-show-it-can-make-money?srnd=premium><strong>Bloomberg</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>There’s an argument to be made for strong valuations, but the e-commerce player needs to prove that growth can be profitable.Founder and CEO Forrest Li may have some explaining to do.Photographer: ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-01-20/with-rising-inflation-slower-spending-sea-will-need-to-show-it-can-make-money?srnd=premium\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"SE":"Sea Ltd"},"source_url":"https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-01-20/with-rising-inflation-slower-spending-sea-will-need-to-show-it-can-make-money?srnd=premium","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1124789549","content_text":"There’s an argument to be made for strong valuations, but the e-commerce player needs to prove that growth can be profitable.Founder and CEO Forrest Li may have some explaining to do.Photographer: BloombergAt the height of investor enthusiasm back in October, the market value of Southeast Asian internet company Sea Ltd. climbed above $200 billion. Today, it’s worth less than half that. It may still be overpriced.Driving this massive ramp-up was the credible belief that its position at the cross section of gaming and e-commerce, and its location servicing a quick-growing market, meant that profits would eventually flow to the company. Four years on from its U.S. listing, that still hasn’t happened. In fact, by the end of last year it racked up almost $7 billion in cumulative losses with red ink set to spill for at least another year.To justify their valuations, investors and analysts point to Sea’s rapid growth. And it is impressive. Revenue doubled each of the past four years, driven firstly by a foundation in online games and more recently boosted by a growing presence in e-commerce.“Free Fire,” its battle royale game, similar to “PUBG” and “Fortnite,” continues to be a top-grossing title across the region and helps support both revenue and user engagement. That strength means Sea’s digital entertainment unit, Garena, delivers the lion’s share of gross profit.Yet it’s the commerce business, Shopee, that elicits the most excitement from shareholders. In November, management raised its 2021 growth forecast for the unit to 135%, from a prior figure of approximately 127%, with revenue to come in at around $5.1 billion. The impact of Covid-19 only partially explains the stronger outlook. On one hand, consumers forced to socially distancehave turned to e-commerce. Yet incomes have also been hit, hurting spending power.So the narrative that management is keen to talk up, with recent quarters of data as evidence, is that the pandemic is helping shape consumer behavior. They will then continue to play games and shop online even after the pandemic subsides, goes the argument.Today’s market valuation, even after a 55% drop from its peak, indicates that investors are willing to believe in the notion that Sea has established such patterns and is in a dominant position to profit from them. But at more than $90 billion, it’s still expensive.With no net income, it’s impossible to look at the company’s price-to-earnings ratio. But price-to-sales is the next best thing. Sea is currently trading at 9.5-times expected 2021 sales and 6.5-times analyst estimates for revenue this year. By comparison, Tencent Holdings Ltd., Asia’s largest mobile games company, sits at 6.5-times and 5.6-times respectively. Alibaba Group Holding Ltd., the biggest e-commerce provider in the region, comes inat around 2.5-times and 2.2-times.There’s logic to the argument that Sea deserves a premium over peers because it is growing faster. But that only holds weight when management can prove that such expansion is profitable, or may soon become so. Sea’s founder and chief executive officer, Forrest Li, has yet to show evidence he can deliver.In fact, net loss is rising even amid break-neck growth because the company continues to spend ever larger sums of money on marketing — more than doubling in the first nine months of last year. This shows that Sea is buying traffic and revenue, rather than enjoying the significant economies of scale it might expect from having more than 700 million quarterly active users of its entertainment services.It’s quite possible that Sea will truly reap the reward from years of burning cash to build its place in Southeast Asia’s internet market. But to make that case, management will need to someday stop spending buckets of money to drive the top line, and instead accept slower rates of growth. After all, it’s no longer a young startup pitching to hungry venture capitalists. Equity-market investors eventually want to see sustained profits. Until that happens, valuations will be at the mercy of sentiment more than logic. That’s not a place to be when inflation starts to rise and economies begin to slow.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"tweetType":1,"langContent":"EN"},{"id":9007941168,"gmtCreate":1642753104207,"gmtModify":1676533743094,"author":{"id":"3585604372962377","authorId":"3585604372962377","name":"patrickLai","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/baedd77ad7c3a28da1ae2ecc8b2e88aa","vip":1,"crmLevel":2,"crmLevelSwitch":1,"idStr":"3585604372962377","authorIdStr":"3585604372962377"},"htmlText":"Good read up","listText":"Good read up","text":"Good read up","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":4,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/9007941168","repostId":1124789549,"repostType":4,"repost":{"id":"1124789549","kind":"news","pubTimestamp":1642751903,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/1124789549?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2022-01-21 15:58","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Halving Its Market Value Doesn't Make Sea Ltd. Cheap","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1124789549","media":"Bloomberg","summary":"There’s an argument to be made for strong valuations, but the e-commerce player needs to prove that ","content":"<html><head></head><body><p>There’s an argument to be made for strong valuations, but the e-commerce player needs to prove that growth can be profitable.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/5ee8f19e9fb9a1d715dc68cab3267956\" tg-width=\"2000\" tg-height=\"1334\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/><span>Founder and CEO Forrest Li may have some explaining to do.Photographer: Bloomberg</span></p><p>At the height of investor enthusiasm back in October, the market value of Southeast Asian internet company Sea Ltd. climbed above $200 billion. Today, it’s worth less than half that. It may still be overpriced.</p><p>Driving this massive ramp-up was the credible belief that its position at the cross section of gaming and e-commerce, and its location servicing a quick-growing market, meant that profits would eventually flow to the company. Four years on from its U.S. listing, that still hasn’t happened. In fact, by the end of last year it racked up almost $7 billion in cumulative losses with red ink set to spill for at least another year.</p><p>To justify their valuations, investors and analysts point to Sea’s rapid growth. And it is impressive. Revenue doubled each of the past four years, driven firstly by a foundation in online games and more recently boosted by a growing presence in e-commerce.</p><p>“Free Fire,” its battle royale game, similar to “PUBG” and “Fortnite,” continues to be a top-grossing title across the region and helps support both revenue and user engagement. That strength means Sea’s digital entertainment unit, Garena, delivers the lion’s share of gross profit.</p><p>Yet it’s the commerce business, Shopee, that elicits the most excitement from shareholders. In November, management raised its 2021 growth forecast for the unit to 135%, from a prior figure of approximately 127%, with revenue to come in at around $5.1 billion. The impact of Covid-19 only partially explains the stronger outlook. On one hand, consumers forced to socially distancehave turned to e-commerce. Yet incomes have also been hit, hurting spending power.</p><p>So the narrative that management is keen to talk up, with recent quarters of data as evidence, is that the pandemic is helping shape consumer behavior. They will then continue to play games and shop online even after the pandemic subsides, goes the argument.</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/2f7fad5e3c2a4a50a9e05f6762d75b9f\" tg-width=\"948\" tg-height=\"577\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/></p><p>Today’s market valuation, even after a 55% drop from its peak, indicates that investors are willing to believe in the notion that Sea has established such patterns and is in a dominant position to profit from them. But at more than $90 billion, it’s still expensive.</p><p>With no net income, it’s impossible to look at the company’s price-to-earnings ratio. But price-to-sales is the next best thing. Sea is currently trading at 9.5-times expected 2021 sales and 6.5-times analyst estimates for revenue this year. By comparison, Tencent Holdings Ltd., Asia’s largest mobile games company, sits at 6.5-times and 5.6-times respectively. Alibaba Group Holding Ltd., the biggest e-commerce provider in the region, comes inat around 2.5-times and 2.2-times.</p><p>There’s logic to the argument that Sea deserves a premium over peers because it is growing faster. But that only holds weight when management can prove that such expansion is profitable, or may soon become so. Sea’s founder and chief executive officer, Forrest Li, has yet to show evidence he can deliver.</p><p>In fact, net loss is rising even amid break-neck growth because the company continues to spend ever larger sums of money on marketing — more than doubling in the first nine months of last year. This shows that Sea is buying traffic and revenue, rather than enjoying the significant economies of scale it might expect from having more than 700 million quarterly active users of its entertainment services.</p><p>It’s quite possible that Sea will truly reap the reward from years of burning cash to build its place in Southeast Asia’s internet market. But to make that case, management will need to someday stop spending buckets of money to drive the top line, and instead accept slower rates of growth. After all, it’s no longer a young startup pitching to hungry venture capitalists. Equity-market investors eventually want to see sustained profits. Until that happens, valuations will be at the mercy of sentiment more than logic. That’s not a place to be when inflation starts to rise and economies begin to slow.</p></body></html>","source":"lsy1584095487587","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Halving Its Market Value Doesn't Make Sea Ltd. 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Cheap\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2022-01-21 15:58 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-01-20/with-rising-inflation-slower-spending-sea-will-need-to-show-it-can-make-money?srnd=premium><strong>Bloomberg</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>There’s an argument to be made for strong valuations, but the e-commerce player needs to prove that growth can be profitable.Founder and CEO Forrest Li may have some explaining to do.Photographer: ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-01-20/with-rising-inflation-slower-spending-sea-will-need-to-show-it-can-make-money?srnd=premium\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"SE":"Sea Ltd"},"source_url":"https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-01-20/with-rising-inflation-slower-spending-sea-will-need-to-show-it-can-make-money?srnd=premium","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1124789549","content_text":"There’s an argument to be made for strong valuations, but the e-commerce player needs to prove that growth can be profitable.Founder and CEO Forrest Li may have some explaining to do.Photographer: BloombergAt the height of investor enthusiasm back in October, the market value of Southeast Asian internet company Sea Ltd. climbed above $200 billion. Today, it’s worth less than half that. It may still be overpriced.Driving this massive ramp-up was the credible belief that its position at the cross section of gaming and e-commerce, and its location servicing a quick-growing market, meant that profits would eventually flow to the company. Four years on from its U.S. listing, that still hasn’t happened. In fact, by the end of last year it racked up almost $7 billion in cumulative losses with red ink set to spill for at least another year.To justify their valuations, investors and analysts point to Sea’s rapid growth. And it is impressive. Revenue doubled each of the past four years, driven firstly by a foundation in online games and more recently boosted by a growing presence in e-commerce.“Free Fire,” its battle royale game, similar to “PUBG” and “Fortnite,” continues to be a top-grossing title across the region and helps support both revenue and user engagement. That strength means Sea’s digital entertainment unit, Garena, delivers the lion’s share of gross profit.Yet it’s the commerce business, Shopee, that elicits the most excitement from shareholders. In November, management raised its 2021 growth forecast for the unit to 135%, from a prior figure of approximately 127%, with revenue to come in at around $5.1 billion. The impact of Covid-19 only partially explains the stronger outlook. On one hand, consumers forced to socially distancehave turned to e-commerce. Yet incomes have also been hit, hurting spending power.So the narrative that management is keen to talk up, with recent quarters of data as evidence, is that the pandemic is helping shape consumer behavior. They will then continue to play games and shop online even after the pandemic subsides, goes the argument.Today’s market valuation, even after a 55% drop from its peak, indicates that investors are willing to believe in the notion that Sea has established such patterns and is in a dominant position to profit from them. But at more than $90 billion, it’s still expensive.With no net income, it’s impossible to look at the company’s price-to-earnings ratio. But price-to-sales is the next best thing. Sea is currently trading at 9.5-times expected 2021 sales and 6.5-times analyst estimates for revenue this year. By comparison, Tencent Holdings Ltd., Asia’s largest mobile games company, sits at 6.5-times and 5.6-times respectively. Alibaba Group Holding Ltd., the biggest e-commerce provider in the region, comes inat around 2.5-times and 2.2-times.There’s logic to the argument that Sea deserves a premium over peers because it is growing faster. But that only holds weight when management can prove that such expansion is profitable, or may soon become so. Sea’s founder and chief executive officer, Forrest Li, has yet to show evidence he can deliver.In fact, net loss is rising even amid break-neck growth because the company continues to spend ever larger sums of money on marketing — more than doubling in the first nine months of last year. This shows that Sea is buying traffic and revenue, rather than enjoying the significant economies of scale it might expect from having more than 700 million quarterly active users of its entertainment services.It’s quite possible that Sea will truly reap the reward from years of burning cash to build its place in Southeast Asia’s internet market. But to make that case, management will need to someday stop spending buckets of money to drive the top line, and instead accept slower rates of growth. After all, it’s no longer a young startup pitching to hungry venture capitalists. Equity-market investors eventually want to see sustained profits. Until that happens, valuations will be at the mercy of sentiment more than logic. That’s not a place to be when inflation starts to rise and economies begin to slow.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"tweetType":1,"langContent":"EN"},{"id":9007941320,"gmtCreate":1642752822070,"gmtModify":1676533743087,"author":{"id":"3563859164285775","authorId":"3563859164285775","name":"J1000","avatar":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/b8ecd9c9f9155b597bf186803ea57192","vip":1,"crmLevel":7,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"idStr":"3563859164285775","authorIdStr":"3563859164285775"},"htmlText":"K","listText":"K","text":"K","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":3,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/9007941320","repostId":1124789549,"repostType":4,"repost":{"id":"1124789549","kind":"news","pubTimestamp":1642751903,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/1124789549?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2022-01-21 15:58","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Halving Its Market Value Doesn't Make Sea Ltd. Cheap","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1124789549","media":"Bloomberg","summary":"There’s an argument to be made for strong valuations, but the e-commerce player needs to prove that ","content":"<html><head></head><body><p>There’s an argument to be made for strong valuations, but the e-commerce player needs to prove that growth can be profitable.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/5ee8f19e9fb9a1d715dc68cab3267956\" tg-width=\"2000\" tg-height=\"1334\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/><span>Founder and CEO Forrest Li may have some explaining to do.Photographer: Bloomberg</span></p><p>At the height of investor enthusiasm back in October, the market value of Southeast Asian internet company Sea Ltd. climbed above $200 billion. Today, it’s worth less than half that. It may still be overpriced.</p><p>Driving this massive ramp-up was the credible belief that its position at the cross section of gaming and e-commerce, and its location servicing a quick-growing market, meant that profits would eventually flow to the company. Four years on from its U.S. listing, that still hasn’t happened. In fact, by the end of last year it racked up almost $7 billion in cumulative losses with red ink set to spill for at least another year.</p><p>To justify their valuations, investors and analysts point to Sea’s rapid growth. And it is impressive. Revenue doubled each of the past four years, driven firstly by a foundation in online games and more recently boosted by a growing presence in e-commerce.</p><p>“Free Fire,” its battle royale game, similar to “PUBG” and “Fortnite,” continues to be a top-grossing title across the region and helps support both revenue and user engagement. That strength means Sea’s digital entertainment unit, Garena, delivers the lion’s share of gross profit.</p><p>Yet it’s the commerce business, Shopee, that elicits the most excitement from shareholders. In November, management raised its 2021 growth forecast for the unit to 135%, from a prior figure of approximately 127%, with revenue to come in at around $5.1 billion. The impact of Covid-19 only partially explains the stronger outlook. On one hand, consumers forced to socially distancehave turned to e-commerce. Yet incomes have also been hit, hurting spending power.</p><p>So the narrative that management is keen to talk up, with recent quarters of data as evidence, is that the pandemic is helping shape consumer behavior. They will then continue to play games and shop online even after the pandemic subsides, goes the argument.</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/2f7fad5e3c2a4a50a9e05f6762d75b9f\" tg-width=\"948\" tg-height=\"577\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/></p><p>Today’s market valuation, even after a 55% drop from its peak, indicates that investors are willing to believe in the notion that Sea has established such patterns and is in a dominant position to profit from them. But at more than $90 billion, it’s still expensive.</p><p>With no net income, it’s impossible to look at the company’s price-to-earnings ratio. But price-to-sales is the next best thing. Sea is currently trading at 9.5-times expected 2021 sales and 6.5-times analyst estimates for revenue this year. By comparison, Tencent Holdings Ltd., Asia’s largest mobile games company, sits at 6.5-times and 5.6-times respectively. Alibaba Group Holding Ltd., the biggest e-commerce provider in the region, comes inat around 2.5-times and 2.2-times.</p><p>There’s logic to the argument that Sea deserves a premium over peers because it is growing faster. But that only holds weight when management can prove that such expansion is profitable, or may soon become so. Sea’s founder and chief executive officer, Forrest Li, has yet to show evidence he can deliver.</p><p>In fact, net loss is rising even amid break-neck growth because the company continues to spend ever larger sums of money on marketing — more than doubling in the first nine months of last year. This shows that Sea is buying traffic and revenue, rather than enjoying the significant economies of scale it might expect from having more than 700 million quarterly active users of its entertainment services.</p><p>It’s quite possible that Sea will truly reap the reward from years of burning cash to build its place in Southeast Asia’s internet market. But to make that case, management will need to someday stop spending buckets of money to drive the top line, and instead accept slower rates of growth. After all, it’s no longer a young startup pitching to hungry venture capitalists. Equity-market investors eventually want to see sustained profits. Until that happens, valuations will be at the mercy of sentiment more than logic. That’s not a place to be when inflation starts to rise and economies begin to slow.</p></body></html>","source":"lsy1584095487587","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Halving Its Market Value Doesn't Make Sea Ltd. 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Cheap\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2022-01-21 15:58 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-01-20/with-rising-inflation-slower-spending-sea-will-need-to-show-it-can-make-money?srnd=premium><strong>Bloomberg</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>There’s an argument to be made for strong valuations, but the e-commerce player needs to prove that growth can be profitable.Founder and CEO Forrest Li may have some explaining to do.Photographer: ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-01-20/with-rising-inflation-slower-spending-sea-will-need-to-show-it-can-make-money?srnd=premium\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"SE":"Sea Ltd"},"source_url":"https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-01-20/with-rising-inflation-slower-spending-sea-will-need-to-show-it-can-make-money?srnd=premium","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1124789549","content_text":"There’s an argument to be made for strong valuations, but the e-commerce player needs to prove that growth can be profitable.Founder and CEO Forrest Li may have some explaining to do.Photographer: BloombergAt the height of investor enthusiasm back in October, the market value of Southeast Asian internet company Sea Ltd. climbed above $200 billion. Today, it’s worth less than half that. It may still be overpriced.Driving this massive ramp-up was the credible belief that its position at the cross section of gaming and e-commerce, and its location servicing a quick-growing market, meant that profits would eventually flow to the company. Four years on from its U.S. listing, that still hasn’t happened. In fact, by the end of last year it racked up almost $7 billion in cumulative losses with red ink set to spill for at least another year.To justify their valuations, investors and analysts point to Sea’s rapid growth. And it is impressive. Revenue doubled each of the past four years, driven firstly by a foundation in online games and more recently boosted by a growing presence in e-commerce.“Free Fire,” its battle royale game, similar to “PUBG” and “Fortnite,” continues to be a top-grossing title across the region and helps support both revenue and user engagement. That strength means Sea’s digital entertainment unit, Garena, delivers the lion’s share of gross profit.Yet it’s the commerce business, Shopee, that elicits the most excitement from shareholders. In November, management raised its 2021 growth forecast for the unit to 135%, from a prior figure of approximately 127%, with revenue to come in at around $5.1 billion. The impact of Covid-19 only partially explains the stronger outlook. On one hand, consumers forced to socially distancehave turned to e-commerce. Yet incomes have also been hit, hurting spending power.So the narrative that management is keen to talk up, with recent quarters of data as evidence, is that the pandemic is helping shape consumer behavior. They will then continue to play games and shop online even after the pandemic subsides, goes the argument.Today’s market valuation, even after a 55% drop from its peak, indicates that investors are willing to believe in the notion that Sea has established such patterns and is in a dominant position to profit from them. But at more than $90 billion, it’s still expensive.With no net income, it’s impossible to look at the company’s price-to-earnings ratio. But price-to-sales is the next best thing. Sea is currently trading at 9.5-times expected 2021 sales and 6.5-times analyst estimates for revenue this year. By comparison, Tencent Holdings Ltd., Asia’s largest mobile games company, sits at 6.5-times and 5.6-times respectively. Alibaba Group Holding Ltd., the biggest e-commerce provider in the region, comes inat around 2.5-times and 2.2-times.There’s logic to the argument that Sea deserves a premium over peers because it is growing faster. But that only holds weight when management can prove that such expansion is profitable, or may soon become so. Sea’s founder and chief executive officer, Forrest Li, has yet to show evidence he can deliver.In fact, net loss is rising even amid break-neck growth because the company continues to spend ever larger sums of money on marketing — more than doubling in the first nine months of last year. This shows that Sea is buying traffic and revenue, rather than enjoying the significant economies of scale it might expect from having more than 700 million quarterly active users of its entertainment services.It’s quite possible that Sea will truly reap the reward from years of burning cash to build its place in Southeast Asia’s internet market. But to make that case, management will need to someday stop spending buckets of money to drive the top line, and instead accept slower rates of growth. After all, it’s no longer a young startup pitching to hungry venture capitalists. Equity-market investors eventually want to see sustained profits. Until that happens, valuations will be at the mercy of sentiment more than logic. That’s not a place to be when inflation starts to rise and economies begin to slow.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"tweetType":1,"langContent":"EN"},{"id":9007943758,"gmtCreate":1642752645548,"gmtModify":1676533743087,"author":{"id":"4088236993041780","authorId":"4088236993041780","name":"SilentInvst1","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/1145620a8e4e6e681b5c9be6f5605695","vip":1,"crmLevel":2,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"idStr":"4088236993041780","authorIdStr":"4088236993041780"},"htmlText":"This articles speaks volume. There needs to be a timeline on profitability at some point in time. May I ask what is the projection for first year profit?","listText":"This articles speaks volume. There needs to be a timeline on profitability at some point in time. May I ask what is the projection for first year profit?","text":"This articles speaks volume. There needs to be a timeline on profitability at some point in time. May I ask what is the projection for first year profit?","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":3,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/9007943758","repostId":1124789549,"repostType":4,"repost":{"id":"1124789549","kind":"news","pubTimestamp":1642751903,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/1124789549?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2022-01-21 15:58","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Halving Its Market Value Doesn't Make Sea Ltd. Cheap","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1124789549","media":"Bloomberg","summary":"There’s an argument to be made for strong valuations, but the e-commerce player needs to prove that ","content":"<html><head></head><body><p>There’s an argument to be made for strong valuations, but the e-commerce player needs to prove that growth can be profitable.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/5ee8f19e9fb9a1d715dc68cab3267956\" tg-width=\"2000\" tg-height=\"1334\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/><span>Founder and CEO Forrest Li may have some explaining to do.Photographer: Bloomberg</span></p><p>At the height of investor enthusiasm back in October, the market value of Southeast Asian internet company Sea Ltd. climbed above $200 billion. Today, it’s worth less than half that. It may still be overpriced.</p><p>Driving this massive ramp-up was the credible belief that its position at the cross section of gaming and e-commerce, and its location servicing a quick-growing market, meant that profits would eventually flow to the company. Four years on from its U.S. listing, that still hasn’t happened. In fact, by the end of last year it racked up almost $7 billion in cumulative losses with red ink set to spill for at least another year.</p><p>To justify their valuations, investors and analysts point to Sea’s rapid growth. And it is impressive. Revenue doubled each of the past four years, driven firstly by a foundation in online games and more recently boosted by a growing presence in e-commerce.</p><p>“Free Fire,” its battle royale game, similar to “PUBG” and “Fortnite,” continues to be a top-grossing title across the region and helps support both revenue and user engagement. That strength means Sea’s digital entertainment unit, Garena, delivers the lion’s share of gross profit.</p><p>Yet it’s the commerce business, Shopee, that elicits the most excitement from shareholders. In November, management raised its 2021 growth forecast for the unit to 135%, from a prior figure of approximately 127%, with revenue to come in at around $5.1 billion. The impact of Covid-19 only partially explains the stronger outlook. On one hand, consumers forced to socially distancehave turned to e-commerce. Yet incomes have also been hit, hurting spending power.</p><p>So the narrative that management is keen to talk up, with recent quarters of data as evidence, is that the pandemic is helping shape consumer behavior. They will then continue to play games and shop online even after the pandemic subsides, goes the argument.</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/2f7fad5e3c2a4a50a9e05f6762d75b9f\" tg-width=\"948\" tg-height=\"577\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/></p><p>Today’s market valuation, even after a 55% drop from its peak, indicates that investors are willing to believe in the notion that Sea has established such patterns and is in a dominant position to profit from them. But at more than $90 billion, it’s still expensive.</p><p>With no net income, it’s impossible to look at the company’s price-to-earnings ratio. But price-to-sales is the next best thing. Sea is currently trading at 9.5-times expected 2021 sales and 6.5-times analyst estimates for revenue this year. By comparison, Tencent Holdings Ltd., Asia’s largest mobile games company, sits at 6.5-times and 5.6-times respectively. Alibaba Group Holding Ltd., the biggest e-commerce provider in the region, comes inat around 2.5-times and 2.2-times.</p><p>There’s logic to the argument that Sea deserves a premium over peers because it is growing faster. But that only holds weight when management can prove that such expansion is profitable, or may soon become so. Sea’s founder and chief executive officer, Forrest Li, has yet to show evidence he can deliver.</p><p>In fact, net loss is rising even amid break-neck growth because the company continues to spend ever larger sums of money on marketing — more than doubling in the first nine months of last year. This shows that Sea is buying traffic and revenue, rather than enjoying the significant economies of scale it might expect from having more than 700 million quarterly active users of its entertainment services.</p><p>It’s quite possible that Sea will truly reap the reward from years of burning cash to build its place in Southeast Asia’s internet market. But to make that case, management will need to someday stop spending buckets of money to drive the top line, and instead accept slower rates of growth. After all, it’s no longer a young startup pitching to hungry venture capitalists. Equity-market investors eventually want to see sustained profits. Until that happens, valuations will be at the mercy of sentiment more than logic. That’s not a place to be when inflation starts to rise and economies begin to slow.</p></body></html>","source":"lsy1584095487587","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Halving Its Market Value Doesn't Make Sea Ltd. 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Cheap\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2022-01-21 15:58 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-01-20/with-rising-inflation-slower-spending-sea-will-need-to-show-it-can-make-money?srnd=premium><strong>Bloomberg</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>There’s an argument to be made for strong valuations, but the e-commerce player needs to prove that growth can be profitable.Founder and CEO Forrest Li may have some explaining to do.Photographer: ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-01-20/with-rising-inflation-slower-spending-sea-will-need-to-show-it-can-make-money?srnd=premium\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"SE":"Sea Ltd"},"source_url":"https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-01-20/with-rising-inflation-slower-spending-sea-will-need-to-show-it-can-make-money?srnd=premium","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1124789549","content_text":"There’s an argument to be made for strong valuations, but the e-commerce player needs to prove that growth can be profitable.Founder and CEO Forrest Li may have some explaining to do.Photographer: BloombergAt the height of investor enthusiasm back in October, the market value of Southeast Asian internet company Sea Ltd. climbed above $200 billion. Today, it’s worth less than half that. It may still be overpriced.Driving this massive ramp-up was the credible belief that its position at the cross section of gaming and e-commerce, and its location servicing a quick-growing market, meant that profits would eventually flow to the company. Four years on from its U.S. listing, that still hasn’t happened. In fact, by the end of last year it racked up almost $7 billion in cumulative losses with red ink set to spill for at least another year.To justify their valuations, investors and analysts point to Sea’s rapid growth. And it is impressive. Revenue doubled each of the past four years, driven firstly by a foundation in online games and more recently boosted by a growing presence in e-commerce.“Free Fire,” its battle royale game, similar to “PUBG” and “Fortnite,” continues to be a top-grossing title across the region and helps support both revenue and user engagement. That strength means Sea’s digital entertainment unit, Garena, delivers the lion’s share of gross profit.Yet it’s the commerce business, Shopee, that elicits the most excitement from shareholders. In November, management raised its 2021 growth forecast for the unit to 135%, from a prior figure of approximately 127%, with revenue to come in at around $5.1 billion. The impact of Covid-19 only partially explains the stronger outlook. On one hand, consumers forced to socially distancehave turned to e-commerce. Yet incomes have also been hit, hurting spending power.So the narrative that management is keen to talk up, with recent quarters of data as evidence, is that the pandemic is helping shape consumer behavior. They will then continue to play games and shop online even after the pandemic subsides, goes the argument.Today’s market valuation, even after a 55% drop from its peak, indicates that investors are willing to believe in the notion that Sea has established such patterns and is in a dominant position to profit from them. But at more than $90 billion, it’s still expensive.With no net income, it’s impossible to look at the company’s price-to-earnings ratio. But price-to-sales is the next best thing. Sea is currently trading at 9.5-times expected 2021 sales and 6.5-times analyst estimates for revenue this year. By comparison, Tencent Holdings Ltd., Asia’s largest mobile games company, sits at 6.5-times and 5.6-times respectively. Alibaba Group Holding Ltd., the biggest e-commerce provider in the region, comes inat around 2.5-times and 2.2-times.There’s logic to the argument that Sea deserves a premium over peers because it is growing faster. But that only holds weight when management can prove that such expansion is profitable, or may soon become so. Sea’s founder and chief executive officer, Forrest Li, has yet to show evidence he can deliver.In fact, net loss is rising even amid break-neck growth because the company continues to spend ever larger sums of money on marketing — more than doubling in the first nine months of last year. This shows that Sea is buying traffic and revenue, rather than enjoying the significant economies of scale it might expect from having more than 700 million quarterly active users of its entertainment services.It’s quite possible that Sea will truly reap the reward from years of burning cash to build its place in Southeast Asia’s internet market. But to make that case, management will need to someday stop spending buckets of money to drive the top line, and instead accept slower rates of growth. After all, it’s no longer a young startup pitching to hungry venture capitalists. Equity-market investors eventually want to see sustained profits. Until that happens, valuations will be at the mercy of sentiment more than logic. That’s not a place to be when inflation starts to rise and economies begin to slow.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"tweetType":1,"langContent":"EN"},{"id":9007943423,"gmtCreate":1642752635385,"gmtModify":1676533743110,"author":{"id":"3581500201009185","authorId":"3581500201009185","name":"Bobbateaaa","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/0f96cf785acad2a663d6c4d70087a74c","vip":1,"crmLevel":2,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"idStr":"3581500201009185","authorIdStr":"3581500201009185"},"htmlText":"Like please thank u&nbsp;","listText":"Like please thank u&nbsp;","text":"Like please thank u","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":3,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/9007943423","repostId":1124789549,"repostType":4,"repost":{"id":"1124789549","kind":"news","pubTimestamp":1642751903,"share":"https://ttm.financial/m/news/1124789549?lang=&edition=fundamental","pubTime":"2022-01-21 15:58","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Halving Its Market Value Doesn't Make Sea Ltd. Cheap","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1124789549","media":"Bloomberg","summary":"There’s an argument to be made for strong valuations, but the e-commerce player needs to prove that ","content":"<html><head></head><body><p>There’s an argument to be made for strong valuations, but the e-commerce player needs to prove that growth can be profitable.</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/5ee8f19e9fb9a1d715dc68cab3267956\" tg-width=\"2000\" tg-height=\"1334\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/><span>Founder and CEO Forrest Li may have some explaining to do.Photographer: Bloomberg</span></p><p>At the height of investor enthusiasm back in October, the market value of Southeast Asian internet company Sea Ltd. climbed above $200 billion. Today, it’s worth less than half that. It may still be overpriced.</p><p>Driving this massive ramp-up was the credible belief that its position at the cross section of gaming and e-commerce, and its location servicing a quick-growing market, meant that profits would eventually flow to the company. Four years on from its U.S. listing, that still hasn’t happened. In fact, by the end of last year it racked up almost $7 billion in cumulative losses with red ink set to spill for at least another year.</p><p>To justify their valuations, investors and analysts point to Sea’s rapid growth. And it is impressive. Revenue doubled each of the past four years, driven firstly by a foundation in online games and more recently boosted by a growing presence in e-commerce.</p><p>“Free Fire,” its battle royale game, similar to “PUBG” and “Fortnite,” continues to be a top-grossing title across the region and helps support both revenue and user engagement. That strength means Sea’s digital entertainment unit, Garena, delivers the lion’s share of gross profit.</p><p>Yet it’s the commerce business, Shopee, that elicits the most excitement from shareholders. In November, management raised its 2021 growth forecast for the unit to 135%, from a prior figure of approximately 127%, with revenue to come in at around $5.1 billion. The impact of Covid-19 only partially explains the stronger outlook. On one hand, consumers forced to socially distancehave turned to e-commerce. Yet incomes have also been hit, hurting spending power.</p><p>So the narrative that management is keen to talk up, with recent quarters of data as evidence, is that the pandemic is helping shape consumer behavior. They will then continue to play games and shop online even after the pandemic subsides, goes the argument.</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/2f7fad5e3c2a4a50a9e05f6762d75b9f\" tg-width=\"948\" tg-height=\"577\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/></p><p>Today’s market valuation, even after a 55% drop from its peak, indicates that investors are willing to believe in the notion that Sea has established such patterns and is in a dominant position to profit from them. But at more than $90 billion, it’s still expensive.</p><p>With no net income, it’s impossible to look at the company’s price-to-earnings ratio. But price-to-sales is the next best thing. Sea is currently trading at 9.5-times expected 2021 sales and 6.5-times analyst estimates for revenue this year. By comparison, Tencent Holdings Ltd., Asia’s largest mobile games company, sits at 6.5-times and 5.6-times respectively. Alibaba Group Holding Ltd., the biggest e-commerce provider in the region, comes inat around 2.5-times and 2.2-times.</p><p>There’s logic to the argument that Sea deserves a premium over peers because it is growing faster. But that only holds weight when management can prove that such expansion is profitable, or may soon become so. Sea’s founder and chief executive officer, Forrest Li, has yet to show evidence he can deliver.</p><p>In fact, net loss is rising even amid break-neck growth because the company continues to spend ever larger sums of money on marketing — more than doubling in the first nine months of last year. This shows that Sea is buying traffic and revenue, rather than enjoying the significant economies of scale it might expect from having more than 700 million quarterly active users of its entertainment services.</p><p>It’s quite possible that Sea will truly reap the reward from years of burning cash to build its place in Southeast Asia’s internet market. But to make that case, management will need to someday stop spending buckets of money to drive the top line, and instead accept slower rates of growth. After all, it’s no longer a young startup pitching to hungry venture capitalists. Equity-market investors eventually want to see sustained profits. Until that happens, valuations will be at the mercy of sentiment more than logic. That’s not a place to be when inflation starts to rise and economies begin to slow.</p></body></html>","source":"lsy1584095487587","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Halving Its Market Value Doesn't Make Sea Ltd. 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Cheap\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2022-01-21 15:58 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-01-20/with-rising-inflation-slower-spending-sea-will-need-to-show-it-can-make-money?srnd=premium><strong>Bloomberg</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>There’s an argument to be made for strong valuations, but the e-commerce player needs to prove that growth can be profitable.Founder and CEO Forrest Li may have some explaining to do.Photographer: ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-01-20/with-rising-inflation-slower-spending-sea-will-need-to-show-it-can-make-money?srnd=premium\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"SE":"Sea Ltd"},"source_url":"https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-01-20/with-rising-inflation-slower-spending-sea-will-need-to-show-it-can-make-money?srnd=premium","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1124789549","content_text":"There’s an argument to be made for strong valuations, but the e-commerce player needs to prove that growth can be profitable.Founder and CEO Forrest Li may have some explaining to do.Photographer: BloombergAt the height of investor enthusiasm back in October, the market value of Southeast Asian internet company Sea Ltd. climbed above $200 billion. Today, it’s worth less than half that. It may still be overpriced.Driving this massive ramp-up was the credible belief that its position at the cross section of gaming and e-commerce, and its location servicing a quick-growing market, meant that profits would eventually flow to the company. Four years on from its U.S. listing, that still hasn’t happened. In fact, by the end of last year it racked up almost $7 billion in cumulative losses with red ink set to spill for at least another year.To justify their valuations, investors and analysts point to Sea’s rapid growth. And it is impressive. Revenue doubled each of the past four years, driven firstly by a foundation in online games and more recently boosted by a growing presence in e-commerce.“Free Fire,” its battle royale game, similar to “PUBG” and “Fortnite,” continues to be a top-grossing title across the region and helps support both revenue and user engagement. That strength means Sea’s digital entertainment unit, Garena, delivers the lion’s share of gross profit.Yet it’s the commerce business, Shopee, that elicits the most excitement from shareholders. In November, management raised its 2021 growth forecast for the unit to 135%, from a prior figure of approximately 127%, with revenue to come in at around $5.1 billion. The impact of Covid-19 only partially explains the stronger outlook. On one hand, consumers forced to socially distancehave turned to e-commerce. Yet incomes have also been hit, hurting spending power.So the narrative that management is keen to talk up, with recent quarters of data as evidence, is that the pandemic is helping shape consumer behavior. They will then continue to play games and shop online even after the pandemic subsides, goes the argument.Today’s market valuation, even after a 55% drop from its peak, indicates that investors are willing to believe in the notion that Sea has established such patterns and is in a dominant position to profit from them. But at more than $90 billion, it’s still expensive.With no net income, it’s impossible to look at the company’s price-to-earnings ratio. But price-to-sales is the next best thing. Sea is currently trading at 9.5-times expected 2021 sales and 6.5-times analyst estimates for revenue this year. By comparison, Tencent Holdings Ltd., Asia’s largest mobile games company, sits at 6.5-times and 5.6-times respectively. Alibaba Group Holding Ltd., the biggest e-commerce provider in the region, comes inat around 2.5-times and 2.2-times.There’s logic to the argument that Sea deserves a premium over peers because it is growing faster. But that only holds weight when management can prove that such expansion is profitable, or may soon become so. Sea’s founder and chief executive officer, Forrest Li, has yet to show evidence he can deliver.In fact, net loss is rising even amid break-neck growth because the company continues to spend ever larger sums of money on marketing — more than doubling in the first nine months of last year. This shows that Sea is buying traffic and revenue, rather than enjoying the significant economies of scale it might expect from having more than 700 million quarterly active users of its entertainment services.It’s quite possible that Sea will truly reap the reward from years of burning cash to build its place in Southeast Asia’s internet market. But to make that case, management will need to someday stop spending buckets of money to drive the top line, and instead accept slower rates of growth. After all, it’s no longer a young startup pitching to hungry venture capitalists. Equity-market investors eventually want to see sustained profits. Until that happens, valuations will be at the mercy of sentiment more than logic. 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Today, it’s worth less than half that. It may still be overpriced.</p><p>Driving this massive ramp-up was the credible belief that its position at the cross section of gaming and e-commerce, and its location servicing a quick-growing market, meant that profits would eventually flow to the company. Four years on from its U.S. listing, that still hasn’t happened. In fact, by the end of last year it racked up almost $7 billion in cumulative losses with red ink set to spill for at least another year.</p><p>To justify their valuations, investors and analysts point to Sea’s rapid growth. And it is impressive. Revenue doubled each of the past four years, driven firstly by a foundation in online games and more recently boosted by a growing presence in e-commerce.</p><p>“Free Fire,” its battle royale game, similar to “PUBG” and “Fortnite,” continues to be a top-grossing title across the region and helps support both revenue and user engagement. That strength means Sea’s digital entertainment unit, Garena, delivers the lion’s share of gross profit.</p><p>Yet it’s the commerce business, Shopee, that elicits the most excitement from shareholders. In November, management raised its 2021 growth forecast for the unit to 135%, from a prior figure of approximately 127%, with revenue to come in at around $5.1 billion. The impact of Covid-19 only partially explains the stronger outlook. On one hand, consumers forced to socially distancehave turned to e-commerce. Yet incomes have also been hit, hurting spending power.</p><p>So the narrative that management is keen to talk up, with recent quarters of data as evidence, is that the pandemic is helping shape consumer behavior. They will then continue to play games and shop online even after the pandemic subsides, goes the argument.</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/2f7fad5e3c2a4a50a9e05f6762d75b9f\" tg-width=\"948\" tg-height=\"577\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"/></p><p>Today’s market valuation, even after a 55% drop from its peak, indicates that investors are willing to believe in the notion that Sea has established such patterns and is in a dominant position to profit from them. But at more than $90 billion, it’s still expensive.</p><p>With no net income, it’s impossible to look at the company’s price-to-earnings ratio. But price-to-sales is the next best thing. Sea is currently trading at 9.5-times expected 2021 sales and 6.5-times analyst estimates for revenue this year. By comparison, Tencent Holdings Ltd., Asia’s largest mobile games company, sits at 6.5-times and 5.6-times respectively. Alibaba Group Holding Ltd., the biggest e-commerce provider in the region, comes inat around 2.5-times and 2.2-times.</p><p>There’s logic to the argument that Sea deserves a premium over peers because it is growing faster. But that only holds weight when management can prove that such expansion is profitable, or may soon become so. Sea’s founder and chief executive officer, Forrest Li, has yet to show evidence he can deliver.</p><p>In fact, net loss is rising even amid break-neck growth because the company continues to spend ever larger sums of money on marketing — more than doubling in the first nine months of last year. This shows that Sea is buying traffic and revenue, rather than enjoying the significant economies of scale it might expect from having more than 700 million quarterly active users of its entertainment services.</p><p>It’s quite possible that Sea will truly reap the reward from years of burning cash to build its place in Southeast Asia’s internet market. But to make that case, management will need to someday stop spending buckets of money to drive the top line, and instead accept slower rates of growth. After all, it’s no longer a young startup pitching to hungry venture capitalists. Equity-market investors eventually want to see sustained profits. Until that happens, valuations will be at the mercy of sentiment more than logic. That’s not a place to be when inflation starts to rise and economies begin to slow.</p></body></html>","source":"lsy1584095487587","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Halving Its Market Value Doesn't Make Sea Ltd. 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Today, it’s worth less than half that. It may still be overpriced.Driving this massive ramp-up was the credible belief that its position at the cross section of gaming and e-commerce, and its location servicing a quick-growing market, meant that profits would eventually flow to the company. Four years on from its U.S. listing, that still hasn’t happened. In fact, by the end of last year it racked up almost $7 billion in cumulative losses with red ink set to spill for at least another year.To justify their valuations, investors and analysts point to Sea’s rapid growth. And it is impressive. Revenue doubled each of the past four years, driven firstly by a foundation in online games and more recently boosted by a growing presence in e-commerce.“Free Fire,” its battle royale game, similar to “PUBG” and “Fortnite,” continues to be a top-grossing title across the region and helps support both revenue and user engagement. That strength means Sea’s digital entertainment unit, Garena, delivers the lion’s share of gross profit.Yet it’s the commerce business, Shopee, that elicits the most excitement from shareholders. In November, management raised its 2021 growth forecast for the unit to 135%, from a prior figure of approximately 127%, with revenue to come in at around $5.1 billion. The impact of Covid-19 only partially explains the stronger outlook. On one hand, consumers forced to socially distancehave turned to e-commerce. Yet incomes have also been hit, hurting spending power.So the narrative that management is keen to talk up, with recent quarters of data as evidence, is that the pandemic is helping shape consumer behavior. They will then continue to play games and shop online even after the pandemic subsides, goes the argument.Today’s market valuation, even after a 55% drop from its peak, indicates that investors are willing to believe in the notion that Sea has established such patterns and is in a dominant position to profit from them. But at more than $90 billion, it’s still expensive.With no net income, it’s impossible to look at the company’s price-to-earnings ratio. But price-to-sales is the next best thing. Sea is currently trading at 9.5-times expected 2021 sales and 6.5-times analyst estimates for revenue this year. By comparison, Tencent Holdings Ltd., Asia’s largest mobile games company, sits at 6.5-times and 5.6-times respectively. Alibaba Group Holding Ltd., the biggest e-commerce provider in the region, comes inat around 2.5-times and 2.2-times.There’s logic to the argument that Sea deserves a premium over peers because it is growing faster. But that only holds weight when management can prove that such expansion is profitable, or may soon become so. Sea’s founder and chief executive officer, Forrest Li, has yet to show evidence he can deliver.In fact, net loss is rising even amid break-neck growth because the company continues to spend ever larger sums of money on marketing — more than doubling in the first nine months of last year. This shows that Sea is buying traffic and revenue, rather than enjoying the significant economies of scale it might expect from having more than 700 million quarterly active users of its entertainment services.It’s quite possible that Sea will truly reap the reward from years of burning cash to build its place in Southeast Asia’s internet market. But to make that case, management will need to someday stop spending buckets of money to drive the top line, and instead accept slower rates of growth. After all, it’s no longer a young startup pitching to hungry venture capitalists. Equity-market investors eventually want to see sustained profits. Until that happens, valuations will be at the mercy of sentiment more than logic. That’s not a place to be when inflation starts to rise and economies begin to slow.","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"tweetType":1,"langContent":"EN"}],"hasMoreComments":true,"newsSizeData":{"likeSize":43,"commentSize":17,"repostSize":0,"favoriteSize":0,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false}}