Don't Compare Today's Market With The 2000 Bubble

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Summary The 2000 bubble was about expectations about the future payoffs. The current stock market environment is a political economy bubble. Don't expect an imminent stock market crash now (like in ...

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pennylks
·2021-04-09
Bubble
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CY_Ng
·2021-04-09
Agree on certain part, that time tech stock PE ration was few thousand. In today, certain industry also look similar, but not really the tech stock.
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- SweatheartReplying toCY_Ng:
  Take as lesson, next time should always remember dont all in
  2021-04-11
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- CY_Ng:
  agreed. but i all in already?
  2021-04-10
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- Sweatheart:
  Cant compare and barely difficult to predict the market also, never know when is the bubble will burst just always remember dont all in and invest in different sectors of stock
  2021-04-10
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atf_nato
·2021-04-09
[冷漠]
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SSVC
·2021-04-09
Interesting Appreciate your response and comments Thanks
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EstherPang
·2021-04-09
Yes
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BpchuA
·2021-04-09
Yes
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MoneyCub
·2021-04-09
The current market environment is based onthe political environment. Well said by the author.
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El_Nino
·2021-04-09
[開心] [開心]
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Nicolas_Lim_
·2021-04-09
??
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Alice156
·2021-04-09
好
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- El_Nino:
  [开心][开心]
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chelstwy
·2021-04-09
????
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VincentYeo
·2021-04-09
Don't
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- Tradingbats:
  Dont
  2021-04-13
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- El_Nino:
  [开心][开心]
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KennethNg
·2021-04-09
??
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Mochizuki
·2021-04-09
What would be the lottery ticket of 2021? Is it $Tesla Motors(TSLA)$?
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PowerUP
·2021-04-08
Comment and like!
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- PowerUP:
  nice
  2021-04-12
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- crunchingnum:
  Ok
  2021-04-08
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JimmyChua
·2021-04-08
Yup
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TheCrazyOne
·2021-04-08
Ok.. can like and comment
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Thus, near the peak of the speculative bubble, the Fed did increase interest rates and invert the yield curve in February of 2000, which popped the bubble and eventually caused the recession of 2001, as shown below.\n\n\nThe 2021 Bubble\nSo let's be consistent and call the current market environment a bubble - strictly on valuation basis. However, the current environment is much different compared to the 2000 bubble. Here is how:\n\nPolitical economy bubble:The stock market has been hijacked by the politics, which could traced to the 2008 US election, when the stock market crash contributed to the Obama victory. The Obama administration run the election on left-platform, but moved to the center in March of 2009 with the Wall Street bailout, which marked the bottom of the stock market crash, and commenced the bull marked still in place today - if you ignore the short pandemic shock in 2020. In fact, the Trump administration publicly embraced the stock market as the barometer of policies in place and cheered the each successive record market close. It's still early in the Biden administration, but Biden clearly run as a centrist and, obviously, the fiscal spending programs will ultimately end up on corporate income statements.\nThe Fed independence in question: As previously explained, the 2000 bubble was ultimately popped by the Fed. Now, the Fed publicly justifies the bubble-like valuations as irrelevant when compared to low interest rates - the TINA argument promoted by the Fed (there is no alternative to stocks). Fed Chair Powell tried to increase the interest rates in 2019, but quickly reversed the policy and lowered the interest rates after the sharp stock market correction. Now, the Fed basically guarantees the near-zero percent interest rates indefinitely as long as inflation does not significantly exceed 2% for some time. 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